in session, members will return tomorrow to continue work on 2017 federal spending. we will have live coverage on c-span. secretaries of state getting together to talk about strategies for combating terrorism around the world. the women's foreign policy group will be starting at 12:50 eastern. with fccill be live chair tom wheeler to talk about the future of wireless technology in the u.s.. he will take questions from the audience. c-span, robert mcdonald reveals changes that he is making to his department to improve that are in access to health where -- health care. the senate meeting today at 3:00 ontern later this afternoon floor measures dealing with gun control.

washington journal talk with a capital reporter about what those amendments do. of the washington post, the congressional reporter who has been following this. good morning. could you break down the amendments being debated today and the way of thinking amongst democrats and republicans on this issue? >> the amendments we are going to be seeing are going to look very familiar for anyone who was watching the senate last december after san bernardino. two have to deal with whether terrorists should be able to get their hands on firearms, explosives. two deal with background checks. say that are trying to the attorney general can denied the right to purchase guns to anyone who is a suspected terrorist. republicans are saying that is too broad.

faulty andre already of disability goes beyond that that is going to be problematic. they want to limit that. the attorney general can only deny the purchase of firearms to anyone they can prove within the first three business days after the point-of-sale that there is probable cause to deny those firearms. the court has to get those and the government has to prove their case and if they can't it goes ahead. there are also alert systems in both that would say if you have ever been on a watchlist the fbi gets notified when you tried to buy a gun. it doesn't actually block the scale -- block the sale. to -- the democrat proposal -- is trying to expand background checks and hire them -- require them on gun shoals and -- gun shows an online sales. the republican would not change

the rules. we are expecting the parties will pretty much split along party lines but they are close when it comes to these proposals because that's what they did when variations of them happened last the sender -- last december. host: what is the expectation that any of these proposals have? >> very low. there was some description -- discussion about trying to craft an alternative but the sponsors of the democrat and republican legislators to the hands-on guns -- to get harris hanson guns -- those efforts fell apart very very quickly. they were talking to the former mayor michael bloomberg.

the last thing that seems to be actually spinning is collins talking to other republicans about trying to craft an alternative but it doesn't seem like that is going to get done in time for the vote because no hee has been scheduled and started talking publicly on thursday and not in bc. .- in d.c. there are things tonight that are going to have more of an impact on the election. they are going to come up with a compromise and there were people expressing frustration. putting out a tweet last week in light of these votes, especially stemming from the events in orlando. "all gun owners must act now to save their second amendment rights." what have we seen in their advocacy? their tradition is fairly

well-known on these things because we have seen these addressed in the last several months. new buthe proposals is the ideas have been out there a while. -- there is this thing where it is very possible to speak in a way that sounds very similar depending on what you are saying. everybody is out there saying " democrat, republican, we don't want terrorists to have guns." that doesn't mean that you necessarily support the ban. senator cruz wanted to make sure that there was segmented rights. hard-coree more

second amendment right advocates in the nra has backed that proposal as well. it is unclear where people are going to end up on this despite that. donald trump saying he was going to meet with the nra, sounded like he was pushing for them to be more proactive but he hasn't come out and said there is a proposal that he backs. he was talking about guns getting into the hands of terrorists which is a con refrain -- a common refrain. >> these votes on the gun measures, 5:30 this afternoon. thank you so much for your time. again, the senate goebbels in at 3:00 eastern today with votes on those gun amendments scheduled for 5:30. you can watch full coverage on

c-span2. the house not in session. the senate on c-span2. news from the campaign trail to pass on. the new york times reporting donald trump parting ways with his campaign manager, corey the nomineeafter faces challenges as it moves towards the general election. campaign announced that corey lewandowski would no longer be working with the campaign." the campaign grateful to corey for his hard work. "we wish him the best in the future. " >> the campaign had long planned adjustments to adjust to the lead in to the presidential campaign. >> with political primary season over, c-span's road to the white

house takes you to this summer's political conventions. national republican convention july 18 with life coverage from cleveland. we will be going in so strong. >> and watch the democratic national convention july 25 with coverage from philadelphia. >> let's win the nomination and in july, let's return. >> and then we take our fight for social, economic, racial, and environmental justice to philadelphia. every minute of the republican and democratic parties national convention on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. this week on newsmakers, two republican activists and critics of donald trump discuss campaign 2016. steve lonergan talks with the

former new jersey director of the ted cruz campaign. .nd bob vanderhoff in washington, stephen dina and and steve shepard, campaigns editor with politico. steve shepard with the first question. we take thising as of an effort to organize some delegates for the republican convention for an anybody but trunk movement. advisor,re an according to the report. how extensive is it an is the long-term goal to deny donald trump the nomination next month? goal of this movement is to organize the people around this country who are unhappy with what donald trump has been doing. i wake up every morning looking

for a reason to support donald trump and i have yet to find one. donald trump has spent more time reaching out to bernie sanders supporters than just conservatives like myself. this is an effort not to deny donald trump but to empower the republican delegates to do their job. they have a moral obligation to nominate a candidate who is best suited to defeat hillary clinton and advance the republican platform. now, the republican party is heading towards a cataclysmic defeat in november and it is time we made donald trump accountable. what we are striving to do, and open debate and an open discussion, donald trump may very well show that he is the leader he says he is and be able to galvanize that convention. the guy should be calling for this more than anybody is donald trump. we should be saying "i have a vision for the party and i can win this convention."

that is what he should do. >> is that convention good for the party? anthe parties unity opportunity to advertise? an infomercial? if there is some chaos on the floor, is that good for republicans down the ticket? >> if mr. lanagan can answer that first and then mr. vendor lock. >> will be destructive for the republican party is a demoralized convention where delegates go there and nominate a candidate they don't believe in. it could be a public relations debacle. hand, a marketplace of ideas where candidates have to explain who they are and what they are going to do to unify the party would be dynamic, repelling -- compelling, and it would unify the base.

i believe we cannot simply afford to go to a joint meant -- and anointment of donald trump. we need to drive this issue. >> let me follow up. first of all, you need to know i am not in the never trump mode. i never was there. donald trump that i have been friends for the last five or years but as noted, i have been willing to stand up and hold him accountable. the hold him accountable to point of saying everything in cleveland should be on the table. the reason is that it would make him a better candidate and if he is the nominee going up against hillary clinton and if he does win the presidency, i believe it will make him a better leader. that is what we need to do. in regards of what is good for the republican party, this has been a very unusual campaign. look at paul ryan.

he will weaken his support of donald trump, making statements that are not helpful towards the nominee, the same way with mitch mcconnell. this is happening all over the republican party so maybe it is time that there is a conversation. i like steve -- i am like steve. i think of ways i can support trump. if we say he is our nominee and this is a better opportunity to the hillary clinton, that may unify way quicker than saying "wipe everything under the rug." >> this is a question for both of you. essentially, what you are talking about at the convention is what the primary season was. that was a chance to deal with voters directly and convince them and win through that process. i am wondering, after five

months of primaries, what could donald trump do to convince you differently than what he has done done -- has already for 45% of primary voters? which is about the same level john mccain had in 2008. first of all, in a typical primary, this is the way it would happen. this has been a very atypical primary. with a lot of nuances to it. the reason donald trump is called the presumptive nominee and hillary clinton the presumptive nominee is they need to be confirmed by the delegates for the republicans in cleveland. there are a lot of republicans who are showing pause for mr. trump. maybe it is ok to have the delegates have their voices heard. the rules of the game were set

up before anyone of these people became a candidate. 1237, you're are going to be "the nominee or presumptive nominee." i think mr. trump has a big meeting on june 21 in new york with a lot of faith leaders and i will be attending that, as well as up to cleveland to satisfy the fears. and twoan we trust him is who is he going to surround himself with? who is going to be his cabinet members? what kind of supreme court justices will he appoint? the list he put out we readily applauded. -- my supreme court picks that was a good step. if he was showing he was going to put the right people around him and a vp that we can get

excited about, that would be very good message on trump spat. specific notes, is there something donald trump could do short of becoming ted cruz. is there something you could do to support him ahead of time? what are specifics there? a messaged articulate consistent with the platform and explain how, through his policies and leadership, he is going to reestablish the constitution, and economic policies to create true economic growth that would not require punitive taxes on companies that might need this country or not. donald trump is inconsistent on his principles. , the congressman from long island -- i had to lee for 10 minutes

defending donald trump's attack on a judge for being mexican. the american judicial system is the very fabric of our society. it gives us the rule of law that we hold so precious. but donald trump did not trust the government two weeks ago. the other day he wanted the nra to change their position on the terrorist watch list. so suddenly he trusts the government to put americans on some list and lose their constitutional rights without due process. does he trusted or does he not trusted? ,his is coming from a guy who if he commands the chief of staff people, he will do it. have been remarkable inconsistencies with donald trump illustrating what his principles are.

that concerns me deeply because if donald trump he comes the potentiallyould send the conservative movement back several generations. going off of what mr. lanigan just said, do you think donald iump shares your values? >> think that is where the question lies. of people and not just with steve or paul ryan or anybody else. when you are communicating in a twitter world of 140 characters or less, it is hard to guess. there is a level of trust. again, to sweep that under the rug and i click it doesn't exist -- it needs to be out in the open. i think it will make donald trump a better candidate and president if he gets to become a president as well. the comments mr. trump has made on different issues is what

gives conservatives like myself and steve a cause for pause. >> which issues give you the i think a lot of it is what steve pointed out. the inconsistency. that planned parenthood does good things versus we are going to defund planned parenthood. marriage andgn for the family or one man or one woman. -- all of our hearts went out to victims in orlando this past sunday, it was a gut punch to all of us. it was an attack not just on the lgbt community but on everybody who loves and embraces freedom. to basically respond by saying " i will be a better champion for lgbt than hillary clinton" we want to know what that means. standing with the nation of israel, steve mentioned the

second amendment earlier, there are a lot of things. there are a lot of things i believe he can do and it is going to be in his communication and the way he handles himself to be president and sincerely, i want the best for donald trump. i am not in the overtaking the convention mode. i want the best for him but that has got to be donald trump taking that baton. couldas wondering if you -- one of the things i hear from voters is a question about how big the reticence to trump actually is. there are a lot of questions among some of his own supporters but i am wondering how big the actual "never trump" movement is. is it something that pundits are overplaying? i am wondering what signs you are seeing out there and is this

different than anything -- than the conservatives who sat on their hands in 1996 for bob dole and john mccain. is this different or the same? >> it is about unbinding the delegates. so muchuestion is not the strategy but how broad is the actual worry about from among republican voters? bigger by theng hour and i am not exaggerating when every two hours i am being contacted from people around the country. this has never happened before. we are writing the textbook about how to unbind delegates and save the republican party. it's never happened before but every day the internet and social media, you see more people pile on. yesterday it was the governor of

tennessee. a few days ago it was the governor of maryland. it is not just people on the grassroots is powerful part. "iwas key leadership saying can't support donald trump." , having been aw grassroots organizer for many years, is that establishment leaders don't like the grassroots. what you are seeing right now is an organic grassroots uprising that built the momentum every single day and is continuing to get there. >> one of the big questions about this is we just went process thatmary trump actually won handily before hillary clinton sewed up the debt it -- the democrat nomination.

is there a candidate out there who could even coalesce around? kasich? ryan? romney? voters are going to be told that doesn't work in this case. here is another alternative. >> the process is not finished yet. the process includes going through the convention. it is up to the candidate to galvanize and unify the republican party, go into the convention with a republican party. supportrump is losing every single day. the votes back in new hampshire and iowa, that is great, we have them but things may have to change now. it is the responsibility of the delegates to nominate the candidate who will beat hillary clinton. that is still happening every single day right through july 19. >> before you get to names in

regards to who would be the candidate that will place donald trump at a convention, the question earlier was is this typical? the grassroots and conservatives weren't excited about abdul or john mccain or mitt romney but look at it in this case. now you have george h w bush and george w. bush sitting this out. you have the nominee from 2012 against trump in mitt romney. you have conservatives like steve days and eric arison saying -- if i am encouraging the trunk campaign, i would look at the fact. this is a chance for you to change the narrative. part of changing the narrative is going to be who is your vp pick going to be. is a strong, constitutional conservative that

people trust and that this is going to help form my opinion on the selection of supreme court justices, i think you should change the narrative going into cleveland. i think that is what trump needs to do because there are a lot of things. the judge he disqualified because he is hispanic plus the other comments he has been making has given more cause for momentumt has made the yield more fuel every day. in iowa, any republican running for president or even thinking about running for president usually comes through. talk about wanting a strong conservative that can bring the party together who will be trusted by the grassroots. i am not going to ask you for one name, but give me your short list. who would do that for you? is it the beginning or potentially during the

republican convention. are looking at characteristics. i am not sure if ted cruz would even accept that but if mr. trump is good about the art of could he bring a person like a ted cruz on to basically balances him out where there are trust issues. where he knows how to get things done washington, and it would send a message about "look at this, two rivals teamed up." somebody like that to say "i am -- very even a rar balance to the ticket." you famously suggested that ted cruz's father may have been involved in the assassination of

kennedy. is that something ted cruz would ever accept. different opinion about -- i don't care who donald trump might throw up as window dressing as a presidential candidate. let donald trump expressed to the delegates what his vision is for the country and what our government should be like and look like. i don't want him to come up with somebody to appease people. he's got to explain to me what his conservative principles are. month, we have seen republican leader after republican leader abandon the trunk campaign. -- the trump campaign. we need to stop it. narrative,anges the isn't he then being accused of being a flip-flop or by the democrats? what you meanre

by him changing the narrative. i don't know what it narrative there is to change. all these people voted for trump but the republican party is the party of a representative form of government like the united states. we are not a mob rule party. those delegates are representatives. those delegates need to be freed up to nominate the very best candidate to beat hillary clinton. if they decide it is not donald trump, then so be it. instead of having a party that is fragmented, it would actually start coming together before cleveland. aleader's job is to cast vision so we know what it is that we are following. the other thing we know in politics and elected office is that his policy. key.ou put around you is

we don't want to see executing the policies for the administrative rules. we want to know who donald trump is going to put around himself. that can give some assurance is to people who are being very queasy right now. again, that is why i say this is a donald trump issue. thatourage him on this but is also why i said in cleveland that delegates have to be willing to put everything on the table and let mr. trump seal the deal. >> can i ask you both how we got here? who is to blame? obviously, you are not sold on trump and you are looking for him to make a big change or else dump him, who is to blame for us getting here? who is to blame for trump as the presumptive nominee at this point? you about what mr. trump has done.

he is good at tapping into the emotions of the american people. what i would say is elected officials over the last 20 years are the reason why we have a donald trump as our nominee. into the emotion that washington is broken and people are frustrated. they want bold leadership. he offers that but the other part is that the media has been very favorable to trump in this nomination process. he drives ratings and anytime he wants to give a speech, the cameras covert donald trump -- covered donald trump. might have been a blip about somebody else that primarily, the focus is on donald trump. >> who is responsible for where we are? >> the republican party leadership. "you musthey said control of congress." they came back and said they can't do it that fast.

give us control of the senate and we are going to do wonderful conservative things and they didn't do that either. the republican party base has been demoralized by the failure of leadership for the republican party. i don't believe donald trump would do those things anyway. that thatironic now same republican leadership is now leading the charge for donald trump. i talking about mitch mcconnell and reince priebus. unfortunately, the guys responsible is donald trump himself. you see the explosion of this grassroots movement to free up the delegates. >> you get a phone call tonight from donald trump and he is going to give a speech on monday and he wants to know what he should say, what would you tell him?

>> i would tell him he needs to cast a vision that we can trust that he is willing to execute on and one that is going to be constitutional and conservative and profamily and in the very best interests of america. these are the people i'm going to start putting around myself, starting with the p -- avp. you can rest assured the supreme court justices are going to be scully alike -- scalia like. if he does that on june 21, he might start easing some fears. >> since you are advising to this movement, if you don't get to the point where you get to unbind the delegates, then what is your strategy? >> i am going to take it one step at a time. we have 37 days to convince another 47 or 48 people to sign

onto the amendment of the rules committee, which is called the moral conscious amendment that allows the rules to be the bow to unbind the delegates. that is the first step. if we go into the convention and donald trump says "i am a leader here, open up this convention," that will be a great thing. afterwards, if we go through the system as it is and the convention that i am afraid of might be a public relations debacle, it may be a very cold for years for the republican party. conventionout of the and let's assume donald trump is the nominee. this is the choice that a lot of republicans will be faced with. do they opt for the clean hands hands, healthty

donald trump win for the sake of the supreme court which is mitch mcconnell's logic. how will you approach that question come august, september, october, november? you're going to vote for hillary clinton or donald trump or sit it out or right somebody else in. that of the options you have. some people like myself or others are going to say "i am going to support trump over clinton." but it might be october before we decide. all of this is on donald trump. he can change the game if he does things that steve and i are lining out now. he starts assuring conservatives about how he is going to bring us together versus divide us apart. if it is a choice between trump and hillary, and people saying

he is better than hillary, that is not the bar we are looking for. we are looking for leadership that is going to turn this country in the right direction. i have heard for too many years as a conservative that you have no choice. conservatives take the backseat and you have no choice but to vote republican. i heard that again from mitch mcconnell. we have a choice right now going into the convention. i heard a lot about how donald trump want to tell us who he is going to put where so that most people could control donald trump. i don't want a president that needs to be controlled. i want a president with a clear and articulate vision for the country. he has the microphone, no one else. >> we have to leave it there. thank you for being this week newsmakers. >> thank you.

>> let me turn to you. you asked -- you both asked the question, how broad is this anti-trump movement? his answer was probably pretty accurate and interesting. the size of that movement does depend entirely on donald trump and it probably is growing and it has grown through the month of june. there was an opening after mid-may and he started to see polls with republicans coalescing around trump and you started to see those numbers slip slightly since then. he is right that there are certainly -- there is slippage for trump support. we have seen signs of it. he has seen signs of it from his movement. be 15, 20,t gets to much larger percentage of republicans, i don't know.

was mr. vander platt says come october, that slippage may come back to trump when they face down that clinton-trump presidency. >> when they go to the convention and try the unwinding of the delegates, what do they have to do? how difficult would it be? >> you mentioned the number of delegates on the committee that they have to convince to do this. for them, this is not going to be a vote on whether they want on trump to be the nominee. this unpredictable convention -- they are voting for crossing and all we have seen from that during the primary season and where that gets you -- they are voting for what could end up being chaos on the convention floor and they will have to decide what is best or worst for the republican party.

donald trump by acclamation on an openr or fopen -- or possibly chaotic convention? >> do they have a choice? have completet control that they have a lot of control over how that goes. party leadership will put pressure on it. the party made these rules. one a very divisive -- won a very divisive primary. the equivalent of a superdelegate in the democratic primary that we have so much complaining about -- what they are talking about would be shocking. unprecedented and very messy. it is a huge high bar. >> what is going on with the republican leadership?

do they need to be quiet and get behind him? certainly not going to earn him many friends in capitol hill. he is going to need those allies to be back this kind of effort. he is going to need allies on the same team. ted cruzer indiana and and john kasich left the campaign, donald trump brought voters into the fold. you saw those polls closed right next to hillary clinton. those are a month-old now. he is not just trailing hillary clinton he has lost those over the past months and a lot of that is slippage among republicans. when a big signal to them the leadership in washington can't even really muster a defense or get behind donald trump as you saw from paul ryan. >> a lot of this is donald trump. a lot of this is a negotiation

strategy. you are trying to gain the upper hand. working on paul ryan and the republicans working on a rich and the -- on an agenda. hast of the same thing that been going on for months now, they play with the republican party for privacy. at some point they will have to get along or they are headed for disaster. >> interesting months ahead of us. thank you both for being on newsmakers. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] trump's campaign manager, corey lewandowski, is leaving the campaign. lewandowski will no longer be working with the campaign. she says the campaign is grateful for his hard work.

mr. lewandowski has been managing the campaign since the beginning. majorll reports he lacks campaign experience. he will be replaced by paul metaphor. -- paul maniford. >> c-span's road to the white house takes you to this summer's political conventions. watch the republican national conventions with live coverage from cleveland. >> i think we are going to go in so strong. >> watch the democratic national convention starting july 25 with live coverage from philadelphia. return as a july, unified party. fight for take our social, economic, racial, and environmental justice to philadelphia. >> every minute of the

republican and democratic onties national conventions c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. assistant secretaries of state are getting together today to talk about u.s. strategies for combating terrorism and its impact around the world. the women's foreign policy group is hosting the discussion. we will have live coverage at 12:50 eastern. , c-span2 will bring you live coverage of tom wheeler talking about the future of wireless technology in the u.s.. back here on c-span, veteran secretary robert mcdonald on changes he is making in his department's to improve veterans access to health care. he is speaking at the brookings institution. the senate will vote later in the afternoon on measures dealing with gun control. one that block suspected terrorists from buying, a 72

hour delay for certain gun purchases, and requiring background checks at gun shows. you can watch coverage on c-span two. the house is not in session today. they return tomorrow to continue work on federal spending. we will have coverage here on c-span. tuesday, the on federal court of appeals for the district of columbia upheld the fcc rules for treating the internet like a utility requiring providers to treat all traffic equally -- equally. fred campbell, former bureau chief, and met would -- matt wood are on either side to talk about their views. now that the fcc has for the first time gone further than that and said the monopoly

telephone network applies to that opens the door for a bunch of additional regulation that was never part of the net neutrality debate. >> we think of this as the fcc returning to that law for broadband, treating it like a communications service and making a distinction between the carriage and the content on the internet. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> this week on q&a, joe and jenkins. she talks about her organization and her book. disrupt aging. >> joanne jenkins, you are the

ceo of aarp. why did you take that job? >> it was unexpected. i had spent 25 years in public services and another agency had the opportunity to be the head of aarp foundation. and spent two years there, really trying to re-institute -- reconstitute aarp foundations to have it focused on serving the needs of the low income across the organization. as a result of the excess -- the , we went to the aarp side of the house to develop a strategy for 2020 to make sure aarp was relevant to its members of the 21st century. as part of that, transitioning and building up a strategy, the opportunity and the opening came to be the head of the ceo of

aarp. , it was aplanned wonderful transition for me to transition from a board member .o running its foundation today, i am the only leader in aarp that has worked in all three. >> how big is your membership? members.lion it is the largest membership organization in the world. members are about once a republican, once or democrat, one third independent. issuese vocal about the for them. we are growing every day. there are 110 million people in the u.s. over the age of 50, which is our membership base.

38 million of them are aarp. the main aarp a for-profit company? >> it is a c4. ,t means it is a nonprofit nonpartisan organization whose governance is to serve in an on partisan -- a nonpartisan capacity. arm in an advocacy lobby capitol hill and state legislatures. >> is that in a separate unit? >> it is inside the association. we have ac three, which is a nonprofit charitable arm whose sole focus is to serve the low income and then we have asi services which is a for-profit that sells anywhere from travel insurance, discounts, a

whole host of other products and services. things that appeal to the 50 plus >>. what happens to that profit? >> we have an agreement with the it gets all 95% of turned back into aarp to serve in a nonprofit space, to do good for people all across this country, both members and nonmembers. that is what is unique about aarp. while we have a membership is regardless of whether or not you are in aarp member. >> how big is your board? >> we have a 21 person volunteer board who works with us on developing all of our policies, positions. they come from all across the country. they can self nominate or be nominated by another board member or any citizen.

we have a process that are board members turn over every two years. we have about six members turning over every two years on the board. it is a nonpaid all volunteer board. aboutk today, we have 2300 employees who work in all 50 states. but we augment that with 50-60,000 volunteers who helped to program delivery in our advocacy work. headquarters is at 601 east street. book, you talk about your father and mother-in-law. tell us why you mention them. about mys so wonderful

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, or he is helping care for them. i think what gives him his will to continue on is that passion for helping others around him. important aswas those of those are in their 80's and 90's and i think that is a very important aspect of the aarp membership. now, it is very likely you could be a member for five decades. >> can you join before you are 50? >> we have a junior membership for 40 plus-year-olds but we don't advertise it. most of our members are a good deal older. >> is it still $16 a year? >> it has been that since i have which is 10-12 years.

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are 8, 9, tenures older than me so i tell people all the time i am the only child is when i was growing up in my high school, teenage years, my brothers and sisters were either at college or married. >> what did you think you would end up doing for a living? >> i always liked doing news programs. i was the president of the student council. . was the morning announcer at that time, i always thought i would like to be a news anchor. >> what happened? >> i got involved in public service and this is the closest thing i'm going to get to it. >> what was your first job in washington? >> my first job, after i graduated, i worked on the reagan campaign in the summer of 1980 and worked the reagan

inauguration, and then up going to the department of housing where i was congressional relations. have the southern delegation, which was nice for me. moved to legislation, which is really more of the legislative .ill side of the house was promoted to work for the housing commissioner, where we were addressing issues around multifamily housing and single-family housing, part of that public housing sector of thinking through how we build affordable communities all across this country. i think a little over four or we had a keen sense of how important it is for us to have affordable housing and to build communities, havele communities that

affordability for everyone. spent a lot of time at the library of congress but go to the housing. what does aarp do for people with housing problems? get involved in trying to address at the local level. we know the things low income people face -- the hardest hunger, housing, income, and isolation. if someone is in their home, it is a much more stable household. rich andle are house financially poor, so they can't afford to live in a house they may have inherited or grew up in. we do a lot of work on the nonprofit side in our advocacy work trying to get state legislatures and communities to think about building accessible

housing so that people of all ages, whether it is somebody who needs assistance coming in the front door who might have to have a walker or wheelchair, or a young mother trying to get a stroller inside the house. who came up with those steps walking up into the front of the house rather than having a flat incline that goes in? we do a lot of work around advocacy and building and planning designing in communities that makes it accessible. >> what is the secret? find all those addresses of those people are about -- who are about to turn 50. >> we can almost find anybody out there now. when we try to do is six months before you turn 50, to be able to send that letter of invitation to you, my mantra is

i hope we are making aarp such a place where people want to join where if they turn 50, they say "yes, i am in aarp member." >> is there an obvious place for those addresses are? buyhere are lists you can and people's birthdays show up. combination of a number of following information and data about individuals getting ready to turn 50. >> so if you add up all of the budgets, how much money do you generate in a years time? >> on an annual basis, we are roughly maybe $2 billion worth of business that comes in and goes out right away. , wehe money we generate

pushed out through social advocacy and programs across this country. to the federal government, we turn over that budget and use it to drive our social impact. >> as you know, aarp can be controversial. show you video of paul, who spoke to your group in 2012 and a want you to tell us what this is all about. >> the first step towards stronger medicare is to repeal obama care. because it represents the worst of both worlds. a feeling there will be mixed reaction, so let me get into it. for today'sedicare seniors and puts it at risk for the next generation. first, it funnels $716 billion out of medicare to pay for a new

entitlement we didn't even ask for. second, it puts 15 unelected bureaucrats in charge of medicare's future. >> 2012, he wasn't speaker of the house, he is now. year 2020,y the there will be 64 million people in this country on medicare. how do you get through to this? is aarpmportant thing is a nonpartisan organization and if i recall correctly, i don't think i was ceo at the time but i was certainly at aarp , speaker ryan came there as running mate. bothtraditionally invites parties to show up and i give speaker ryan great credit to speak to our members on medicare.

social security and we know that social security is not addressed in a meaningful way. it will lose 25% of its value by 2050 or people will lose 25% of what their current benefits will be if we don't make meaningful adjustments to secure that it is solvent and adequate. social security and medicare both turned 80 this past year. with respect to medicare, we really think that we need to try and make changes in the system so that we can start capturing some of the control of the costs not just for medicare, but , the whole health care system. and so we have to do that in a , meaningful way by hoping that republicans and democrats on the hill, and hospitals and doctors and patients are all working

together to do that. aarp's position has been that those cuts cannot come on the backs of the benefactors. that the people who depend on it every day should not have to carry the burden when they paid into this medicare system and social security system. and you know as i said, i give , speaker ryan great credit to least speak his two piece and to share with us what he would be doing on those programs. brian: if this town continues to be divided and continues to have one side that think obamacare is the greatest and the other side thinks it is awful, how will you get this job done and get compromise on social security? jo ann: i would hope more reasonable minds would get together to be able to address. one of the big issues this election has been around social security. we have a platform campaign out there called "take a stand." we think that it we are going to

get to the social security solvency and adequacy it will , demand presidential leadership. our campaign is about going out and saying, anyone who is running for president ought to be able to tell us what their position is and what their plan is on solving social security for the next 80 years. we have a website up called takeastand.org, where we have invited all of the candidates to share with the american people how they will address social security, and then let our members and nonmembers decide how they want to vote on it. to be able to make sure that whoever wants to be president understands how important these programs are for the survival of millions of people over the age of 65 in this country. 10,000 people a day are turning age 65, and that is going to happen for the next 14 years. it is not something that will go away. it is actually going to

increase. brian: your book is full of statistics on the savings of people in the country, retirement. how bad is it or how good is it? jo ann: well, i would say to you that it all ties back to our longevity and the fact that we are living another 20 to 30 years longer than our parents or grandparents. so depending solely on social security is not going to be , if in fact you are going to survive to be 80 years old. , 100 the fastest growing age segment is the people over 85, and the second is people over the age of 100. these programs were put in place with life expectancy at 67 or 68. not only are there more people in the system, but they are living longer. we have to be able to look at these programs and make meaningful adjustments that will

allow people to live with dignity at a much longer period of time. having said that, i'm a strong proponent of people need to take some responsibility. we need to learn to start saving and planning. i would like to say so that we , can live, not so we can retire. how do we plan to live those extra 30 years of your life that is given to you as a result of medical advances or you living in better health? and how do we start working with people all over this country at a much younger age so they start planning for their future and not waiting until they get to 65 or and realizing they don't have 70 enough income to live adequately. brian: what is the percentage, if you know it, of the people who have no money saved whatsoever and rely entirely on social security? jo ann: the last number i saw was roughly 50% of people over

the age of 65, have less than $10,000 saved for retirement. brian: what does your membership think should be done about that? jo ann: i think the polls we have seen from our members put social security at one of the top priorities that we should be focused on. they recognize saving is important. it does not mean they automatically do it. it is one of those things like exercise. they know if we exercise we feel better, and getting to it and actually finding the time is another. i think that is part of the message that we are try to get through and trying to talk and get people to understand that this is a blessing that we are getting, to be able to live this extra 20 or 30 years. but with that comes a responsibility to start saving and thinking and planning about how you are going to take care of yourself and your loved ones

with these additional years. brian: i think i am right about this, but tell me if i am wrong, in the last six years, three of those years, there has been no increase in social security check that goes to people. jo ann: right. brian: you hear this administration and a lot of people in this town talk about how much better everything is. how could everything be so much better if for three out of the last six years, social security recipients has got no increase? jo ann: we hear that from members about how difficult it is to survive. just last week, i was down in alabama, my home state. 57% of those who rely on social security, social security provides 50% of their income. 30% of people in the state of alabama rely on social security for 90% of their income. and the average social security income the state is $13,000 a year. not many people can afford to live out of poverty on $13,000 a

year. and so i think it is so important that we not only have social security there, but people take a personal responsibility to start planning for their futures and thinking about, you know how they are , going to live these additional years. brian: talking about social security, it has been talked about a lot during the campaign. ted cruz, who ran for president, had this to say at the rfb television, put this in perspective. [begin video clip] ted cruz: i am 44 years old, is hard to find someone my generation who thinks social security will be there for us. that presents a real opportunity to reform it now for future generations, and how can we do that? number for younger workers, we one, should gradually increase the retirement age to recognize that people are living longer and give people time to plan their financial affairs to anticipate a later retirement age under social security. number two, we should change the

rate of growth in benefits for social security so that it matches inflation rather than exceeding inflation. for younger workers, we ought to allow them to keep a portion of their tax payments in a personal account that they own, they control, and that they can pass on to their kids and grandkids. [end video clip] brian: what would happen if you told your membership you would support all three of those suggestions? jo ann: i think there would be a massive outcry. i think that what we're trying to do with take a stand is give candidates like senator cruz the opportunity to let the american people listen to and hear their recommendations, and for them to make their own decision about whether they want to vote for that particular candidate or not. for us at aarp, it is not for us to say this is the right solution for you, but for us to

lay out the options for the american people to see all the candidates' positions. it is critical that we come together, whether we agree or not, but to be in the room and have a conversation about how we can make social security as securely and adequate. when social security was designed, there was something like 20 to 30 to one people paying the system. five 21 -- five to one, and it will only increase as a become a more older population. it is critical that this is the time during this primary process that we hear from all the candidates and listen to all of their recommendations and then put them all together to see what is going to be the most beneficial and help the most people for the longest period of time. brian: if we wanted to go find the social security trust fund or the medicare trust fund, or whatever, where would we go

find the actual money? is it sitting somewhere? jo ann: well the treasury , department keeps control of the trust fund, certainly for social security and medicare obviously is an annual appropriation through that, so it is in the federal budget. brian: is there money in the trust fund? jo ann: there is money in the social security trust fund, and we believe it is adequate to carry out the existing structure until 2030. but if we don't make meaningful changes in that program, it will result by 2030 two at 25% cut across the board to social security recipients. brian: as you know, you are faced with it everyday. you have a c3, c4, for-profit, how do you tiptoe through all these little landmines out there so you don't get your profit mixed up with your profit and all that -- your nonprofit mixed up with your profit and all that? jo ann: i think that what is

clear for us at aarp, that we are a social vision driven organization to help the needs and wants of the people 50+. sometimes that will lean us towards the democrats, and sometimes that means across to the republicans. if we stay focused on what is best for the people over 50, i think it helps us stay out of the fray of being either left-wing or right-wing in this wholezation, in this summarization about what is going on whether social security , and medicare, any of those issues. it is something that our organization has really focused on being social mission driven on for over 58 years, and i'm really proud of the work that my predecessors and the staff do every day. brian: here is an ad you have done. this was done in the middle of this year, all about advertising in the magazine. i want to show it and ask how much you have to do. [start video clip] >> that is why our members love

aarp the magazine. it has fun confident -- fun content from lifestyle, and prevents -- and is one of the great benefits of membership. aarp.org/w possibility. [end clip] brian: what happened to "retired persons"? jo ann: haven't used it in 14 years. it was part of the recognition that our members are not retired. close to 40% of our members are still in the workforce, and that continues to grow year after year partly because people want , to continue to stay active and engaged and probably because people need to continue to work to be able to have some financial security for the future. jo ann: -- brian: is the aarp magazine in the for-profit company? jo ann: nonprofit.

it's a nonprofit organization. it is a membership magazine. i read through the magazine every other month and think, boy, this is so relevant. i'm 58 and in the middle of all the products and services we offer. it is a wonderful expression of experiencing the things that our members are experiencing every day in their local community. i hope that people feel good about -- we certainly hear from them either through e-mail or the website or the articles they like and articles they dislike. and the resources it brings to them. brian: with a circulation as high as 25 million, largest circulation magazine in the united states, what does it cost for one page ad? jo ann: i think it is, the last my looked it was summer between $400,000 and $500,000 for a one page ad. brian: what sells the best? jo ann: i don't know if i know directly, but it is always usually around health products or travel.

our members like to travel and have new experiences. they like products and services that make it easier for them to live independently in their homes. so those are a lot of our advertisements. brian: in the articles that are what kind of articles you get the most feedback from? you said it is difficult to find people on the cover, and now people ask you to go on the cover. jo ann: exactly. the information about protecting themselves from scams and fraud . a lot of the information about health, around financial products and services and information about how to save better. but i would probably put scams and frauds how to protect , themselves at the forefront. brian: what about the magazine and politics? how do you deal with politics? jo ann: we cover all of it. we try to be as diverse in

presenting articles from all sides. try to stay out of the political fray, but certainly i know we have had the bushes on the covers, the obamas on the covers. the reference you made to actors and actresses, we do a program called movies for grown-ups, and we started this 10 or 12 years ago as a way to try and get the movie industry to start producing movies that were of interest to people who are 50 and older. slowly but surely, we started doing this event in hollywood. got bigger and bigger, and i said to the staff, three years ago, the recipient, i can't even remember who it was, but i blab about the comments that i'm glad i won this and i need to get it out of the building so people don't think i'm old.

and now this year, celebrating with those being good about their age. lillie thompson, morgan freeman thanking aarp for making this , important gesture of recognizing them for creating good content in movies. we know that people 50 years and older are the ones who still go to the movie theaters. people under that age group tend to watch it online through netflix or some other online source. so seeing transition from hollywood and within the actors themselves about the importance experience and recognizing them for the great work they do in film has been a total transformation of the culture and the entertainment area . moments,vert for a few you spent how many years with the library of congress? jo ann: 15 years. brian: what did you do when you first went there? jo ann: i came to the library of congress as a senior advisor and

they were going through a number of management issues, a number of class action lawsuits, and at the time, congress had mandated that the library and bring in someone to help address some of the management issues. so i agreed to come over on what i thought was a one-year stint, ended up being a librarian chief of staff, and ended my career there as a chief operating officer of the library of congress. brian: what would you tell us that we don't know about the library of congress? jo ann: i would say to you that the library of congress is one of the most fascinating places to visit in the united states. employees that read or speak to hundred 16 languages -- 216 languages. it is the place of the second draft of the declaration of independence. the first telegraph ever written. it is the only library in the world that collects in every format of whatever subject you are interested in. so if you are looking at

whatever issue, they have it in book, in print, in film, in audio. the only library in the world, and we think, the largest library -- we argue back and forth with the british library. about who has the most items, that i know when i left six years ago, the library had over 130 million items. and they get in about 10,000 items to 12,000 items a day into the collection. brian: so what is the responsibility for the chief operating officer versus the librarian? jo ann: my job as a chief operating officer was to run the library. the library had over 4000 employees, primarily in washington, d.c., but also in seven international offices around the country. and so, my focus was to do the running of the day-to-day operations of the whole library system of united states. anytime a book has a copyright in it, that means one of the library employees has read the

book, catalogued it, and pushed it out in terms of its indexing content not only to libraries in the u.s. but also abroad. it is the home of the law library of united states and the congressional research service over 800 people who do , nothing but research for the congress, their making of bills and laws for congress. in addition to traditional library work. brian: how many people work there, by the way? jo ann: just over 4000 when i was there. brian: now that you know about the library, take your own personal interest. what would you do if you went back to that library? what room would you go to or what area would you study? jo ann: well, my favorite room out at the library of congress outside the jefferson building, , which is the big, open a tourist area -- it would be the geography and map collection. i think that is fascinating and

-- talk to the curators who work in the geography and map division, and you can go back to the early 1400s and 1500s and have them really tell stories on the map transitions. i know from my own place of birth the curators actually went , back and found among worth island, alabama, when it was not an island when it was still part , of the mainland of alabama but through hurricanes and a whole had brokener things, off in the late 1600s. it is a fascinating place. the curators not only in geography and maps, but the photographs, they do a terrific job. brian: what role did you have in creating the national book festival? jo ann: well it was a wonderful , time for us when laura bush went to the white house. she is the first librarian ever to be in the white house. librarian james and i went

over to meet with her to talk about how we might use her first ladyship to enhance libraries across this country. she had put on the texas book festival when she was the first lady of the state of texas. and so she had this idea that , she would like to replicate that and do that in washington at the national book festival. i remember saying to her, what does success like -- look like? how many people need to be here for it to be a success? and she said, if we can get 5000 people. so that first event we had inside the jefferson building. over 15,000 people showed up as well as the fire department who thought we had over-occupied the building. eight years later, through her time as first lady, we were over 100,000 people coming to the national festival by the end of the eighth year, and now david rubenstein has endowed the

national book festival, and it is a two-day event. brian: is this your first book? jo ann: it is. brian: why did you want to write a book? jo ann: i would say it was the encouragement of the staff at aarp. we were really talking about this whole idea of what does 50 look like. and i often say that 50 is not the new 30, and 60 is not that a 40, 60 is the new 50, and it looks good and is ok. people ought to own the age. we ought not to be talking about being over 50 as the period of decline. how do we start encouraging people to feel comfortable with 70? 50 and 60 and i came up with this, i don't want to accept the fact that i'm 50. i want to disrupt aging. i want people to understand that it is ok to say, i'm 58 and feel good about it. and i think that was sort of this rally cry how do we start

, changing the conversation in this country about what it means to grow older? and how do we use that wisdom and knowledge that has been gained over the course of these 50 or 60 years to help solve the nation's problems and get people to start taking personal responsibility about, hey, you are going to live to be 80 or 90. how are you going to live your life? how are you going to focus on the things that you want to do? so the idea of maybe we should , do the book on this. that is how disrupt aging came about. brian: how much of a tour are you going to do on this? jo ann: the book has been out a little over a month. we have gotten good responses about it. i just came from my tour in alabama. we are doing one in new york. i think what we are going to try to do is let our state offices decide if there is an opportunity for us to go out and speak about it. we are signed up to do a number of national conferences this

year for the next five or six months to be able to go out and , i hope start this movement , around getting people to see disrupt aging not just for 50 and older, but all ages. you know how do we stop letting , age define what we can or cannot do? brian: as you know, aarp is controversial in some worlds. i want to show you and ad of a guy who started an organization back in 2007' i dont know if you consider competition. his name is dan weber. you no doubt know him. i want to ask how much of this is going on because they don't like the political positions aarp takes? [video clip] >> in 13 years, social security goes off a cliff. if we don't do something now , it is going to be harsh. what do i mean by harsh? 25% cut in benefits if we don't act now. people are living longer.

in 1935, the life expectancy was 65. today, it is closer to 85. so i will set the hvac from 67 to 69 -- i will set the age back from 67 to 69, and we want to add a supplement to social security so people can have a lot more money, between a quarter million and half a million more. [end video clip] brian: he has a million members now. do you see him as competition? do you see any problem with your membership going? jo ann: i don't think so. as long as he stays focused on the needs and wants of the 50 +. as lot as i said, there are 110 million folks out there over the age of 50. a lot of them turning 50 every day. i think there is competition out there. i don't necessarily think they are our biggest competition. brian: who is your biggest competition? jo ann: i think it depends on what area you are looking at. if we look at products and services, probably costco and amazon. in the advocacy world, it

depends on the issue. we have been up on the hill trying to fight for common sense language around the judiciary role, having consumers have the right to information from financial advisors in the best interest of the investor, not from the financial advisor. so i mean it just depends on the , issue. obviously in the health care area, we have competition from other advocacy groups out there lobbying for different types of programs around health care and financial, so it changes every day. brian: go to what you just said about brian: what you said about financial advisors. how much fraud is there among financial advisors? jo ann: the last statistic i saw it said on an annual basis, i think it said investors lose close to $17 billion in bad financial advice. and so, this language that we have been trying to work with the department of labor on is

about making sure there is plain language given to the consumer about the advised that they are being given by financial advisors, that they know up front how much the advisor is going to gain from giving them that particular advice. brian: so how do you find out how much you are going to gain? jo ann: it is certainly in the information our contracts that they sign, but to go out and make sure you are getting advice from a good financial planner. we certainly have information on how to go out and do that on our website. but also with, you know other , financial institutions and places, they can also find information on that. brian: what are the chances congress would pass anything to further regulate financial advisors? jo ann: i certainly hope we can see some movement. i think there is support there. i know our latest poll that we did a week ago says something like 95% of our members want us

to be up there lobbying to make sure that they can get this clear language advice. it is something that we will be pushing very hard on. brian: there is a lot of suspicion you are behind obamacare. i don't mean you personally, the organization was. some of these organizations have been cropping up because they say date -- they say they don't like the politics of aarp. what do you say to them? what do you know when your membership is upset, and how upset were they with you about obamacare? jo ann: let me say this. as i said earlier, we are nonpartisan. but our membership base is about one third, one third, one third democrat, republican, independent. we supported the aca because we thought that or we think that insurance coverage is very important and vital to our members, that pre-existing conditions should not stop you from having access to health

care a whole number of other , provisions in doing that. when we supported president bush on medicare part d, people thought we were too left-wing with health care. i'm sorry, too right-wing with health care. they think we're too far to the left. as long as we are focused on what is best for our members, i think we are ok. brian: why did, color what you want, obamacare -- call it what you want, obamacare, why did they not included in the bill the opportunity to negotiate with the pharmaceuticals, either in the prescription drug bill or that one, the opportunity to negotiate prices? jo ann: i really can't say what the details of that word. i wasn't at aarp at that time. but as you know being on the hill, there are huge opportunities every year to improve every law that is made

and i think there are , opportunities to make additional advances in improving aca. but we know that our members are burdened by the cost of the drugs that they take. many members are paying 50% of their income on prescription drug costs. we ought to, we always not only it not only to our members of the american people -- but the american people for them to be able to have access to these drugs at a reasonable cost. we will push congress in any meaningful way we can to bring down the cost of prescriptive drugs. brian: since you have been ceo, what have you, or since you have , been with the organization, what have you started that you are the most proud of? and you think will make the biggest difference? jo ann: i will say to you one of the things i'm most proud about is the work i have done around hunger. when i was in the aarp

foundation as its president, we really started a huge effort in this country to raise the awareness of senior hunger. there about 10 million people over the age of 50 who suffer from hunger every day in this , country, not in some third world country but here in the u.s. brian: 10 million over 50? jo ann: 10 million over 50, not counting those under or children. these are people who are over the age of 50. part of our getting involved in this has really shone a spotlight on this issue of hunger in this country. i'm proud to say that in five years, we have served over 33 million meals in this country and raised money to give to local food banks around addressing these needs. i think that we know that it is so important, not only for people 50 and older, but for children. people can't learn if they are not eating and don't have that international support been able

to do that -- to be able to do that. so i would say that. brian: how have you as an organization served 32 million meals? how do you do it? jo ann: we do meal packing events and deliver those meals directly to food banks. we try not to get involved in taking one food bank or another, but we developed a relationship with nascar where jeff gordon was our spokesperson for what we call the drive to end hunger. got getting involved in going , communities and giving cash out to donations to food banks for them to actually purchase food in bulk. we know that it is easier to give a cash donation to a food bank so that they can buy larger peopleies to serve more instead of being asked to provide canned goods out of individual pantries. any amount or food is good for these food banks. we have also been giving out

grants in communities that have come up with sustainable solutions to hunger. building community gardens. we started a pro bono called campus kitchens where we partnered with college students and local colleges, where they actually would grow the gardens, prepare the food, and deliver them to community centers around or senior centers around the country. i think we had 13 or 14 of those funded at colleges and universities around the country. so getting engaged in how communities can help solve the issue of hunger in the local community. in the u.s. we don't have a food , shortage. we have a distribution shortage. like walmartstores are very open to giving food , that they might have to dispose of because of an expiration date. but they can do it. but there is a distribution of how do you get that food from , that local store to the

community or the food bank so that they can use it? part of the work we have been working on with the aarp foundation is about sustainable processes that allow people to continue to have nutritional food. a lot of it is around food deserts. in a city like washington, d.c., where most of the residents in the inner-city are actually going to that corner store that may not have fresh fruits, and vegetables, how do we provide access to good, healthy nutritional food and communities regardless of where people live? brian: so for those who don't know jeff gordon, here's an ad to see what he looks like and what he does. [start video clip] >> jeff, after you retire, no one will remember you. so you want an aarp card for identification. you do get discounts at movie theaters. you have to buy your popcorn. playtime is over, jeff. that thing were you drive in circles, we are all done with it. brian: where did the idea come

from to have a nascar driver represent you? jo ann: it was a good partnership because jeff at the time was looking for a sponsor and we were looking for a , vehicle to really address the hunger issue, particularly in the southern states. 10 of the hungriest states in the country are all in the south. it just so happens that that is where a lot of the nascar races are. if you think about nfl football season, nascar has about 100,000 people at a race for 38 sundays a year. and so it was a great audience , and platform for us to raise this issue around hunger with a very giving audience in the nascar community. once they understood what the issue was, we did a number of food drives at the tracks. got them to make donations to their local food bank, and jeff was a great ambassador for us. brian: you say in your book that

38 of the fortune 50 companies are moving into some kind of health care. is it they are selling health care stuff or they what are they , doing? jo ann: well, what we are trying aging," isd "disrupt get rid of outdated beliefs about aging and sparking new solutions so that more people can live and age better. what we have seen is there is the beginnings of this recognition from the private sector that there is value in this $7.1 trillion worth of economic value of people 50 + bring to the u.s. you are starting to see companies like amazon starting to focus on products and services that address the needs of the 50+. starting to see companies like airbnb and uber look for drivers who are 50 plus as a way to supplement their income, both with uber and airbnb and some of

those other kind of companies. so it is good, it is a recognition that there is a market in the 50 plus, and they need, we need new products and services that may not be aligned with where we were living 20 years ago. a perfect example of this was aarp got into the market in a small way, the product was called real pad. it was a tablet much like an ipad or some other kind of tablet, but it had additional features like larger fonts, easier access so that anyone would be able to recognize it. we got into the market and during the course of that time, other tablet-making companies started addressing the needs of the 50+ and building them into their products. we were able to transition out because one of the things that we have said in our products and

services at aarp is that we want to drive the market. if the market won't come up with solutions in particular areas. so this was, i think, a wonderful win-win for aarp and members to get some of the other companies to start developing products that make it easier to use for the people who are 50 and older. brian: you told us earlier there are 38 million aarp members. how many were there when they first started and what year was it when you first started? jo ann: i started in our 2014. membership is stagnant. it is an annual membership-based -- membership base, so you have to up and renew to do that. i don't know if we have been higher, but over the course of the last 10 years, i think we had gone from 24 million, 28 million up to 35 million up and

, down at times. certainly during 2008 and 2010, with the economy, we saw a drop off. brian: you point out that only 11 out of 145 medical schools have a geriatrics program. jo ann: yes. brian: what are you doing about that, if anything, or what can you do about it? jo ann: we are trying to encourage schools and students to have an interest in gerontology. there is not enough, as you think about the aging population and the need for care in this country. i think most directly around caregiving. last year, there was $450 billion in economic value of family members caring for someone else in their family. if we if we were paying for that , service, it would be $450 billion. and so, we know two things for certain, that you are either going to be a caregiver or need a caregiver.

and how do we start thinking about this enormous cost? the average cost of putting some one in a nursing home if the u.s. is $87,000 a year. if in fact you have to stay in a nursing home five to 10 years, not many people can afford to do that. at the same time, we know that our members and nonmembers want to live in their own homes. so how can we come up with solutions whether it is products , or services from the private sector to help people live , independently longer in their own homes? brian: if you decide to live in your own home, take that figure, $87,000 for a nursing home, what is the cost to live in your own home if you need care? jo ann: it depends on the quality of care, whether it is once a week or every day or 24/7. it is certainly less expensive, almost half the cost if not less than having to hospitalize someone in a nursing home for long periods of time.

brian: got a minute left, so what one thing would you want to accomplish more than anything else for the rest of your term as the ceo of aarp? jo ann: i really want aarp to be in communities all across this country, working as partners with communities on the things that are of interest to people 50 plus every day to move us from a national organization to a nationwide organization. brian: the name of the book is "disrupt aging: a bold new path to living your best life at every age." our guest have been the author, jo ann jenkins. thank you very much. jo ann: thank you. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] announcer: for free transcripts

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and as reported by a number of sources, the supreme court has rejected challenges to assault weapons bans in connecticut and of thek in the aftermath shooting in orlando. lower court place a ruling that upheld laws passed in response to another mass shootings involving a semiautomatic weapon. seven states and the district of colombia have a net and laws banning assault weapons. the senate needs at 3:00 eastern, dealing with gun control issues areas they will vote later today on four measures dealing with gun legislation. we spoke with reporters about what amendments will do. phone,chevarria: on the karoun demirjian, a washington reporter. and you break down the four amendments being debated today,

issue? divide on this karoun demirjian: he does not look very familiar to those watching the senate last december after the san bernardino shooting. democraticwo proposals, two of them have to deal with whether terrorists should be able to get better hands on firearms explosives, and the subject of background checks. ,hat they are trying to do basically say the attorney general can deny the right to purchase guns to anybody who is a suspected terrorist. the republicans are saying that is too broad. the list the government keeps about who is a suggested -- suspected terrorist is already faulty, and going beyond that, that would be problematic. so they want to limit that. the attorney general or any other authority can only deny the purchase of firearms to anyone they can prove within the

first three business days after the point-of-sale there is probable cause to deny this, so the court had to get involved basically, and the government has to prove their case, and if they can't, they can go ahead. there are alert systems involved in both. if you've ever been a terror watchlist that the fbi gets notified when you try to, when you do buy a gun but then actually block the sale. the other two deal with background checks. one is trying to, the democratic rebozo is trying to expand background checks and require them at gun shows and online sales. the republican or postal would put more money into the system that conducts background checks. it would not go to change the rules with the way the democratic proposal does. so this is pretty much what we were expecting along party lines not absolutely, but pretty darn , close. that is kind of what they did when variations popped up from last december. pedro echevarria: and what is

the expectation that any of these proposals will have? very, demirjian: low, very low. even among congress, it is very low. there were some discussions about trying to craft an alternative, but dianne feinstein reached out to john corner. they are the two representatives having to do with the terrorist deals, terrorists getting there hands on guns. and those talks, that effort fell apart very, very quickly. pat toomey was talking to the organization, the defense organization that former mayor michael bloomberg talks. those you do have run aground too. -- those seem to have run aground too. the last thing is that susan collins is talking to republicans about trying to craft an alternative, it doesn't seem like that will get done in time for the votes. no vote has been scheduled. and two, she is talking openly on thursday, and it is not in

d.c.. they will come back for this tonight. it seems like things happening tonight, they will have more of an impact on the election. they are coming up, a lot of people less week expressing frustrations about that. pedro echevarria: and one of the people expressing their thoughts, the nra putting out a tweet last week in light of the votes, from the events of orlando. all gun owners must act now to save their second amendment rights. what have we seen as far as their influence on these votes or at least the efficacy they might be making leading up to today? well, theirjian: position is fairly well-known on these things. again, because we have seen these topics get addressed in the past several months. none of this is new, and of the ideas in the proposals are particularly new because we have been out there for a while. so the nra, there is this thing

where basically it's very possible to speak in a way that sounds very similar depending on what you are saying. everybody is out there saying democrat, republican, we don't , want terrorists to have gun. the nra can even say that too. it doesn't mean you support more stringent gun control. , he is sayingners a lot of the same thing. trying to keep guns out of the yous of terrorists, but don't want to deny them second amendment rights. that is the way it works, in support of the hard-core, hard-core second amendment rights advocates. i believe the nra has backed that proposal as well. the question is, kind of where , were people are going to end up on this. donald trump talking about you

are going to get into the minds of the nra. it simply he is pushing republicans to be more proactive, but he has not come out and said this is the proposal that buy back. -- that i back. this is a common refrain you hear around congress right now. pedro echevarria: karoun diversion -- karoun demirjian writing about the boat taking place. thank you very much for your time. karoun demirjian: thank you. announcer: and again, the senate gavels in at 3:00 eastern. those votes are scheduled for 5:30 eastern. you can watch full coverage on c-span 2. the u.s. house not in session today. they have a pro forma session when they return tomorrow. they will continue work on the 20 17th federal spending. live coverage always here on c-span. >> with the political primary season over, c-span's road to

the white house takes you to the political convention. watch the republican convention starting july 18 with live coverage from cleveland. toald trump: we are going in the convention no matter what happens, and i think we are going in so strong. >> and watch the democratic convention starting july 25 with live coverage from philadelphia. hillary clinton: let's go forward, when the nomination, and in july, return to the democratic party. bernie sanders: and then we take our fight for social economic, racial, and environmental justice to philadelphia. >> every minute of the republican and democratic parties national conventions on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> next, a look at who republican president a candidate donald trump might choose as a

running mate. mategin with a running with a washington correspondent who has compiled a list of some contenders. holsinger, who covers politics for usa today. what kind of week has donald trump had? lost fromtrump has where he was before two weeks ago, which is not where you want to be when you have just clinched the nomination. the issue is, he has made statements that have been reviewed and politics as possibly inflammatory. he has had leaders, of the republican party, chastising him for his comments, and we have seen polls come out and suggest he is losing ground against and in some key swing states. not good for tried to march into the general election with some

of the momentum. host: and that march includes his appointment as a running mate, who do you think is on the short list? mr. singer: donald trump's short list like everything else about his campaign is it will be unusual and a mystery to us. a believe, or we believed week and a half ago, the people on the short list were bob corker, the senator from tennessee, who has given foreign-policy advice to mr. trump, met with mr. trump in new york a week or two ago, who has been one of the senators that has been supportive of trumps campaign. after some of his comments this week, both about judge curiel and what is going on with the shooting in orlando, mr. corker has begun to distance himself, saying those unfortunate comments, i thought the candidate would be more stable, less inflammatory. so mr. corker may taking himself

out of the running. one of the other top candidates we thought would be a top candidate is newt gingrich. again with newt gingrich, mr. trump says something negative about the judge in his case in california, mentioning his republican heritage. newt gingrich says that is an inappropriate comment, donald trump says he should shut up, basically. but basically gave a bit of commands. on the right side, saying nice things about donald trump now. it is hard. obviously, without criticizing donald trump, it is hard for us to know who and this sort of political firmament that we know would be comfortable sitting next to him on the stage, because donald trump is so unpredictable. a lot of candidates are going to say, well, i am not sure i would want to be on the ticket with a guy where i don't know what he's going to say tomorrow. because anything he says

tomorrow is going to come back, and i will have to answer for it. steve: there is always an ad and -- ebb and flow for this candidate. is this any different for donald trump? mr. singer: it is different in the sense that donald trump has none of the sort of normal ties to the political process that another candidate would have. mccain even when john took sailor kevin -- sailor pay the -- sarah palin, there was still an elected official from alaska, had gotten the press, and john mccain had the backing of the entire republican party without any real questions about ,is stature and the whole idea and that is because the balance of his experience, his insider knowhow, as it were, with her sparkand energy and new to the party. with trump, everything is up in the air. he is a newcomer, we do not know what his top agenda items will

be, what he is bringing into the party. does he need someone with more political experience, does he need someone with more clinical geography, someone of a different ethnicity? we do not know. steve: he has to get someone with federal elective vix areas. -- federal elective experience. he spent a moment talking about senator bob corker, a businessman from tennessee. he met with him earlier this month to talk about foreign policy. he is the chair of the senate foreign relations committee. what does he bring to donald trump and the republican ticket? mr. singer: just that. donald trump needs to convince people that he understands that he does not have expertise in government, but that people around him do. when we need to get the something done in government, there is a process. that trump admits freely has not been his background. he will turn to experts. a guy like corker, he would be

able to bridge the gap between the white house and capitol hill. help move legislation through the senate and through congress. but again after this week, i'm , not convinced corker wants that spot. and again, we will have to see in the next couple of weeks whether other people decide to distance themselves from donald trump and say well, the insiders, we don't want to be part of this campaign because we think it is too unpredictable. steve: from what we know, the announcement will be made in cleveland during the convention? mr. singer: we assume we believe that is the case, but i do not put any money on donald trump anymore because he really is doing a totally outside the box campaign. stuff happens, he makes announcements in strange ways. for all i know, we are going to get the vice presidential announcement on twitter at 1:00 in the morning. steve: holsinger of usa today and usa today.com, thank you for being with us. mr. singer: thank you. steve: several years ago we set

, down with senator corker. that conversation now. senator bob corker, republican from tennessee. when did you first think about moving from business to politics? sen. corker: you know, i was leading an effort in our community to try to make sure everyone had an opportunity for fit and-- for a decent affordable housing. i was doing that as a civic endeavor, and i was asked to serve at the state level on a policy board, and i ended up going on a real board, if you will, at the state level. it just sort of migrated. it was not about politics. it was more -- all about public policy. and so, i ended up one day, i had sold my first company at the age of 37, and a few years later decided it was something i , really wanted to pursue. steve: your first company was construction? senator corker: yes, it was.

steve: how did that start? sen. corker: i had started working like most folks when i was 13 doing all kinds of odds and ends. i migrated to being a construction worker and sort of a rough carpenter, graduated from college and ended up being a construction superintendent. so after four years, i had built some regional malls around the country and learned how to build projects and i saved $8000, so when i was 25 years old i went , in business. i started doing a lot of repeat work, small projects where i could be paid quickly, and the company grew at about 80% a year the whole time, ended up building shopping centers around the country, retail projects in 18 states. wast was an energizing, it a great place to be. i mean the energy when you come , into the front door would almost knock you down. and i sold that when i was 37 to a young man who had worked with me for many, many years.

and then, of course, have done several things since. i ended up acquiring a good deal of real estate, and through the years through portfolios and other companies. anyway, i love being in business. i loved everything i have ever done. steve: let me ask you about malls and plazas and developments like that. what is involved? how do you have a vision to say we're going to put this here? , sen. corker: yeah. so, in the beginning up until i was 37, mostly what i did was build projects for other people , and then i began owning the projects myself. but you know, around a shopping center you basically know that a , particular tenant wants to be in a location. so you try to find a place that you think will work and over time you option property and end up negotiating the lease and then build the project and of course, you figure out, you end up having architects and others involved with you that cause it

to evolve in the right way. but i will tell you that being a developer, being a builder, really helped me in my first public office, elected office, being mayor of a city, and that is to be able to create a vision, a bold vision, and to put the pieces in place to make it happen. i really do think that that helped me tremendously in being the mayor of chattanooga. and even though this is a legislative job, i think it has helped me here in trying to put the pieces together to make things happen. steve: a lot of midsized cities are really struggling. their downtown areas. what is different in chattanooga? sen. corker: you know, chattanooga is the greatest community. i love it and i represent the whole state of tennessee, each city is different. my hometown is chattanooga i could not be more proud of it. i gave a talk in marietta, georgia the other day about how