what does ms. fisher know about this? what are you going to take discovery about? and he found no need in this court, all they say is, we'd like to reiterate the benefits of diversity, but those were accepted, and we'd like a few testimonials about students admitted holistically without knowing whether they were the beneficiaries of the race or not. you can't litigate that way. thank you, your honor. the last day of the supreme court's current term. there are a few cases that remain undecided, including one on a regulation of texas abortion clinics and another involving the corruption conviction of a former virginia governor. we'll be outside the court later this morning as the justices handed down their final rulings. watch it live on c-span3. >> hillary clinton spoke to the u.s. conference of mayors at their annual meeting this weekend in indianapolis. the former secretary of state

spoke about u.s.-u.k. relations and like the brexit vote and investments you would like to see here in the u.s. she also spoke about the orlando mass shooting and the need for more gun laws. this is about 40 minutes. >> thank you. it is my genuine honor to introduce a very special guest. throughout her public life, hillary clinton has been a friend to mayors and cities across our country. as senator, hillary clinton champion a homeland security block grant, a grant that mayors and specifically requested. she understood how important it was to provide resources directly to america cities in the fight against terrorism. as secretary of state, hillary clinton promoted america's bodies around the world. she brought clear and passionate leadership to her role. hillary clinton recognizes that while our cities are the economic engines to our nations,

they face a number of economic challenges, including crumbling infrastructure, climate change, and income inequality. she has proposed a number of ways to address these issues and promote the well-being of our cities. i am also pleased that she is with us in indianapolis, as she was last year during our annual meeting in san francisco. that is a commitment. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming back to the u.s. conference of mayors the presumptive democratic party nominee for president hillary clinton. [applause]

mrs. clinton: good afternoon, everyone. [applause] mrs. clinton: thank you so much. i am absolutely delighted to be here with all of you among so many friends. a lot of the mayors here have been laboring in the vineyards

of your cities and your states, and working to provide better lives for the people you represent, and only america's mayors could find a way to put lady gaga and the dalai lama on the same program. [applause] mrs. clinton: i am really impressed by that. i want to thank your president, mayor stephanie rawlings-blake, for her leadership of this organization. [applause] mrs. clinton: it is always great being a woman serving as president. [laughter] [applause] mrs. clinton: and i want to -- [laughter] [applause] mrs. clinton: i want to add a special word of greeting. stephanie told me that her mother, dr. rawlings, is here, and i am kind of partial to mother showing up to see even

their grown-up sons and daughters of form functions with such grace and dignity, so dr. brolin's rawlings, congratulations to mrs. clinton you as well. [applause] mrs. clinton: and i want to acknowledged her next president. i have followed with great interest your creative ideas in oklahoma city, and i really look for it to your leadership of this organization, mayor. and thanks to a longtime friend, the mayor of indianapolis hosting us here. thank you so much. [laughter] [applause] mrs. clinton: as i'm sure you have already realize, he comes in with so much energy and new ideas, and i thank you for your

leadership of this great american city. before i begin addressing some of our common issues and challenges i want to say a few words about what we have seen happening in britain. a lot of americans woke up on friday to alarming headlines from across the atlantic. and they are wondering what this decision in britain means for us. i am sure that everyone in this room with retirement savings asks the same questions. in the day after the vote, americans lost $100 billion from our 401(k)s. now we are resilient and we will bounce back from this and from all of the other shocks that are in the system, but it is a reminder that what happens

around the world has consequences that can hit home quickly and affect our lives and our livelihood. our priority now must be to protect american families and businesses from the negative effects of this kind of tomorrow -- uncertainty. that's why experienced leadership is so important at times like these. we need leaders like yourselves at the local, state, and federal level who understand how to work with other leaders, to manage risks, who understand that bombastic comments in turbulent times can actually cause more turbulence, and who put the interest of the american people ahead of their personal business interests.

[applause] mrs. clinton: we need leaders who recognize that our alliances and partnerships are among our greatest national assets, now more than ever. working with our allies has been a cornerstone of american foreign-policy under democrats and republicans alike because it makes america safer and more prosperous, and it should continue to guide us now. we have got to be clear about this, no one should be confused about america's commitment to europe, not an autocrat in the kremlin, not a presidential candidate on a scottish golf course. we have to reaffirm that the

united states and the united kingdom are different countries in many important ways, economically, politically, demographically, but we still have a lot of common interests and values. just if we have seen that there are many frustrated people in britain, we know there are frustrated people here at home, too. i have seen it. i have heard it. i know it. that is why i have worked hard to find solutions to the economic challenges we face. it is why i have put forward real plans to create good paying jobs, raise wages, reduce student debt, bring down costs for college and prescription drugs, and so much else. people across america noknow that they don't want inti promises. they want solutions. and that is what i hope working

with you that i can offer them. [applause] mrs. clinton: a big reason why our economy is not working for everyone the way it should is because of political dysfunction. we have got to get washington m working again. [applause] mrs. clinton: just as i have heard many mayors say there is not a democratic a republican way to plow snow or create more economic opportunities, we do what works. we do what we need to to serve our people. that means the work you are doing and the solutions you are pioneering in america's cities are even more important. we are all, and especially me, counting on you, our mayors, to get stuff done.

that is one of the reasons why i wanted to be here today. it is a special personal honor to follow to the podium a man who has shown extraordinary leadership in recent weeks, orlando mayor buddy dyer. [applause] mrs. clinton: like so many of you, i watched those press conferences coming from orlando, and i watch the mayor being very collected, very clear about what was happening, what he knew and what he didn't know, but with the overriding message that his city, the city he loves and serves, will persevere. mayor dyer, know that our hearts are with you, the people of your city.

the attack and orlando was the worst mass shooting in american history. sadly several mayors here today have had to respond to similar tragedies that included mass shootings or, in your case, a horrific bomb explosion. when i was last with the mayors at the conference last year, it was just days after the massacre and charleston. there are more mass shootings in the united states than in any other country in the world. it is not even close. i do not think americans are more violent, worse human beings. i believe that we cannot accept

this, not now and not ever. as congressman john lewis said a few days ago, how many more mothers, how many more fathers, need to shed tears of grief before we do something? no person should be gunned down while learning, teaching, praying, or dancing. it is time for us to come together to strengthen our gun laws and keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. [applause]

mrs. clinton: and here is what i know, i know we can respect the second amendment and make common sense reforms. yet congress is paralyzed, not a filibuster in the senate, not a sit in in the house, could convince the leadership to move forward. i really believe the american people deserve better. in fact, every survey i have looked at shows that there is a very big majority of americans who favor this path, and a considerable majority of gun owners who agree. of course, it is not just about guns. leaders in congress refused to act on a wide range of issues that really matter to american

working families. last week's split supreme court ruling on immigration could lead to the tearing apart and the deporting millions of people, breaking up families. it would not have happened, i believe, if congress had done its job and task a prince of immigration reform. remember, we had a bipartisan bill that passed the senate. the house leadership would not let it come to the floor for a vote. i think it is fair to say that they did not because they were playing to the loudest voices instead of the most people, because i believe it would have passed of the house if there had been a chance to vote on it.

we also know that in the senate, senators have not done their job and held a hearing for judge merrick garland, president obama's nominee for the supreme court. [applause] mrs. clinton: and i have no way of knowing how judge garland, who is qualified, respected on both sides of the aisle -- i have no way of knowing how he would have voted. i would not pretend to presume that. but, we have never had a situation like this, where we lose a justice of the supreme court, where the president in my view is obligated under our constitution to nominate a successor, and where these senate flat-out refuses even to hold a hearing to consider it.

they could vote down judge garland, but instead they refuse to act. i think that is part of what is driving the frustration on the part of so many americans. let's have a vote. we are a democracy. either vote somebody out for vote somebody down, either vote up guns or both and down. [applause] mrs. clinton: contrast that with what you do every day, show up. we should expect nothing less from the united states congress, and i am sure that many of you -- [applause] mrs. clinton: -- regardless of party affiliation, some are republicans, some are democrats, and some in your systems are nonpartisan, nonaffiliated. i'm sure that many of you are

running out of patience. when you look to washington for predictability for decisions, may be smart investments in affordable housing, schools, and transportation, you don't get the help you seek. instead, like other americans, you see grandstanding, you hear hear threats to shut down our government. instead of solving our problems, washington is too often making them worse. make no mistake, there are still many passionate, committed people in congress fighting the good fight every day on both sides of the aisle. i was privileged to serve in the senate for eight years. some of that time i was in the majority, and some of that time i was in the minority, but i got up every day looking for ways to work with my colleagues to make

something happen for the people i represented, and that was especially important after 9/11, where i needed to make the case about rebuilding new york, helping the families whose loved ones had been murdered on that terrible day. so i know that we can build relationships and find common ground. i take inspiration from those who get up every day in the congress and keep working to solve problems. they don't get cynical, and they don't give up. just like you, you are on the front lines every day as well. the people you serve are more than just your voters. they are your neighbors. you see them in the supermarket. you see them when you worship. you see them at your kids games. you see them. they tell you their problems and ideas, and they count on you to

help move your city forward. you can't respond with a snarky tweet. you have actually got to deliver results because you know you will see them at the supermarket and at your kids ballgames, and everywhere else mrs. clinton in the city. [applause] mrs. clinton: that is why it cities are where things are happening and getting done. i want to thank you. you're taking the lead in investing in early childhood education, curbing carbon admissions, ending veterans homelessness. [applause] mrs. clinton: implementing innovative transportation projects that connect affordable housing to job opportunities, and so much more. some experts have actually said

that this could be the decade of the city, because our urban areas are growing twice as fast as they were in the last decade. cities are the major reason why our country has come back from the worst financial crisis since the great depression with more than 14 million private sector jobs created over the last six and a half years, said you know what we have accomplished, and you know how much more we have to do. your constituents are already working harder and longer just to keep their heads above water. too many of our urban neighborhoods are plagued by poverty that persists from generation to generation. communities of color still face barriers of systemic racism, wages are still too low and inequality is too great. jobs in many parts of our

country are booming, and in other parts, they are still too hard to come by. so these challenges are serious, but you give me hope that together we can overcome them. i believe with all my heart that our nation is at our best when we are rising together, when those who have been left out and left behind get a fair chance to lift themselves up, and that's when communities, cities, and regions grow stronger, and our entire country is better off. last week in north carolina, i laid out a five step plan to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. first, within my first 100 days as president, i will work with both parties to pass the biggest investment and job creation since world war ii. this will be particularly important for america's cities. second, let's make college debt

free for all and transform the way we prepare americans for the jobs of the future. third, let's rewrite the rules so more companies share profits with employees and fewer ship profits and jobs overseas. and fourth, let's make sure that wall street corporations and the superrich pay their fair share of taxes. and fifth, let's put families first and match our policies to how families actually live and work in the 21st century. focusing for a minute on jobs, i have this old-fashioned belief that anyone willing to work hard in america should be able to find a good job that pays enough to support a middle-class life and a job that provides dignity and pride.

the heart of my plan will be a big commitment to infrastructure aided by -- [applause] mrs. clinton: and the public investment will be aided by a new national infrastructure bank that will bring private sector dollars off the sidelines and be put to work in rebuilding america. we will set some big, ambitious goals. i have to say that when i was growing up, one of the things that my parents just drilled and me was not only loving my country, but that we could do anything that we set our minds to, anything, because we were americans.

well, let's set some goals again and hold each other accountable for achieving them, like connecting every household to broadband by the year 2020. [applause] mrs. clinton: if you have like i have traveled across our country, you know there is a digital divide. you know that there is even a cell telephone divide. you know there are kids going to school and small businesses struggling to succeed who do not have a fast connection to broadband, and they are being shut out of the global marketplace. let's set a goal to build a cleaner, more resilient power grid with enough renewable energy to power every home in america, and i feel strongly about this because some country will be the 21st century clean energy superpower.

we invent most of the technologies and products, but if we don't have a plan and set these goals, it is more likely to be china or germany than us. that is intolerable. it needs to be us. we need to have a public-private partnership to succeed. we are also going to invest in public transit, fix failing water systems like the one that poisoned children in flint. renovate our public schools so that every child in every community has access to safe, high-tech classrooms, laboratories, and libraries. i used to have the chelsea test when i was the first lady of arkansas and then when i was first lady of the united states. i would go into his goals around our country and the first thing i would think is this a school by looking at it and meeting the staff that i would send chelsea to.

i am asking the same questions, is this a school that i would send -- and you know that a lot of public schools, the answer was a resounding yes, and a lot of them no. schools literally falling down, filled with mold, no books in the library, which i actually saw myself, so when we want to live up to what we all say about our next generation, our children are the treasure of our country, we need to pay attention to where they spend most of their waking hours and what kind of message that sends to them and their families. investments like these will help your cities unlock more economic potential and compete in the increasingly competitive global marketplace, so our goal should be full employment in a full

potential economy, and that means that we have to make sure that good, new jobs of the future reach the neighborhoods that need them the most, from urban cities to rural areas. we are going to have to target billions of dollars to help young people in underserved communities find a job, maybe a first job, because in the absence that first job, getting them into the workplace is really difficult. they need the attitudes of what goes with a good work ethic as well as the skills in preparation so that they can start to build financial stability, gain those skills, the confidence and experience, to build and pursue their own career. we need to direct billions of dollars to support small businesses in hard-hit communities where investment is

scarce so that entrepreneurs have a real chance to turn their ideas into growing enterprises that will put people to work. after all, most of the new jobs, two thirds of them, will come from small businesses, and right now we are falling backward in the creation of small businesses because we don't have the credit, the access to credit, that we used to. it has not come back after the great recession. and we need to do more to help people start those businesses and his exceed. we need to focus on second chance reentry programs so that people returning from prison have a fair chance to reestablish their lives and strengthen their communities. [applause] mrs. clinton: now there are some programs that i will shamelessly borrow from. for example, we need to push for initiatives like an expanded new markets tax credit program,

something that my husband introduced on a bipartisan basis towards the end of his second term. everywhere i go across the country, icy projects, i see revitalization, because of the new market tax credits. i want us to explore congressman jim clyburn's plan to direct more federal investment into underserved areas, those neighborhoods where we have generational poverty that need extra help to be able to get themselves up and going. and i want as to be measured by how much incomes rise for hard-working families, not how much higher ceo bonuses can go. we have been on that path, and now we need to move towards really investing on everybody. i want to see how many children climb out of poverty, how many communities can get their residence a better future.

i think that's what it means to have an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. to make this happen, there's no question that we have to get washington to work better, and that includes getting money out of our politics. [applause] mrs. clinton: we have to take on citizens united and get rid of the secret money that is rigging the system. now i think it is fair to say that many of you in city and state elections run under tighter regulations or at least disclosures than we now do on the federal side. i say this, not as a democrat, but as an american. i think we are skating on thin ice. it is getting to the point that we have no idea where we are coming from. it is not being disclosed.

criminal cartel money? you don't have to say. we will never know. this is about how we make government work and restore confidence and trust in it. think it will clear the way to get something done. if you look at the people here, both sides of the political divide came together to create the bipartisan mayor compact for a better america plan. i can imagine that some of our republican friends here today may have questions about whether you can work with a democrat, or work with me personally. we will disagree. i disagree with some of my democratic friends. i think there is much more that we can agree on. for me, as someone who worked

across the aisle, as senator, as secretary of state, i know we cannot get big things done unless we work together. [applause] i intend to push for an agenda that i think would really help the people of this country, our cities, and create economic opportunity and bring a spec together. i will also always listen. i think that is an lost art. i want to gather people together and figure out how we will solve problems. i helped create the health insurance program when i was i think that is an lost art. first lady. working with senators and members of congress from both sides. when i worked with republicans and democrats and independents,

i knew and said, no political party has a monopoly on ideas. the federal government doesn't either. i want to give you the tools that you need to get things done. at last year's conference i talked about an approach we are calling flexible federalism. recognizing that the needs and opportunities in each city differ from others. there is no one size fits all solution. we need to listen and respect one another. that is why i will never planned for you. i hope that we will plan with you to respond to your priorities to get more funding whether it is infrastructure or housing or second chance programs. so we can make the most use, as you see it, of these dollars. i have an old-fashioned idea.

we work better when we are listening and cooperating. we work better when we have the local level helping to lead the way. when we get a partnership, not only between federal, state, and local governments, but between the private and not-for-profit sectors. that is my hope. that is what i am in tent upon doing. but i will talk about it during this election. we are more effective when federal and local governments see each other as allies and not adversaries. that is why i am not just asking to be your president i am asking to be your partner. i've heard there is a running joke in this organization that my husband took office as a

president, but left as a mayor because he spent so much time with your predecessors and some of you were there then. i am here to tell you that i will build on that. just like you have the backs of the people that you serve, i will have your backs everyday. i intend to be calling you and asking you for advice, working with you nonstop, visiting to see what you have done that works that we can bring to scale and make available for others around the country. i want us always to have an open line of communication. i am excited by what we can do together. despite the griping and the gridlock, i am excited. i think the time is right. people are tired of this partisanship, the extreme scapegoating and

finger-pointing. i think we all entered public service because we want to get things done. that is my hope and that is my promise to you. who sees our city as proof that america's best days are ahead of us. there is the challenge too-us to overcome together. thank you very much. [applause] ♪

>> hillary clinton is on the campaign trail today with elizabeth warren. the two make their first public appearance together since senator warren endorsed former

secretary of state. we had here on c-span, live from ohio, beginning at 10:30 a.m. eastern. hard-fought 2016 primary season is over, with conventions to follow. >> colorado >> florida -- >> texas -->> ohio -- >>/c-span as we consider the domination for the first woman ever in a major political party, and the first non-politician in several decades. watch live on c-span. lesson on the c-span radio app or get it on demand at c-span.org. you have a front row seat to every minute of conventions on c-span, all beginning on monday, july 18. joining us from denver, colorado is regina thomson. a cofounder of freebie delegates

2016. talking about delegates heading to the convention, especially those pledged to donald trump. good morning. guest: good morning, thank you for having me. host: can we start by talking about the history of this effort? what led you to take this effort? what are you looking to do? guest: well, specifically what we are looking to do is to that theye delegates have the ability within the rules of the convention as they stand since the beginning of the republican party that these delegates already have the ability and right and responsibility to cast their votes according to their conscience and best judgment. whether there are mandates from their state party or state government telling them that they have to cast their

ballot for a particular candidate. host: what in the rules gives them that right? guest: well, the language is already there. it says that delegates will cast their ballots. the convention will safely record them as cast and then if the delegation chair does not give them their vote then the delegates have the right and responsibility to take microphone to say that they ballotsst the way that could be cast. this is the history of the republican party. since theimes convention, delegates at the convention have taken the step to assert their right to have their vote cast and recorded, according to their wishes. it hasn't always been for a presidential nominee that it was over the rules or the platform. so there is a history within the

party and also within the rules. the language gives the delegates the ability to cast their votes and have them recorded to their wishes. host: one of your cofounder sent a letter to the platform committee to say they are expected to bring this up during the platform hearing. what has been the response from the platform or rules committee to this effort? do you think a change will let it happen? guest: so it is the rules committee. what she has done is submit a conscience clause, that would basically take the selling points about different parts of convention rules and it says that delegates have the right and responsibility to cast their vote regarding their conscience. the secretary of the convention will record their votes as cast and they will suffer an a tradition from their state party forther political entities voting as they see fit.

so this goes first to the rules committee for consideration. if it passes out of the rules committee by 50%, 112 people on that committee -- if 56 people vote to pass them to the full convention that will go to be full convention for a full vote. if it does not pass by the 50% margin but 25% of the committee on to theto send it floor, she can file a minority report. and that takes it to the full convention but it has a higher threshold to pass. it would take a two thirds vote of the full convention to pass the resolution. regina thomson, do you have the support with the committee to pass this? as it stands today? guest: we are working on the committee. we are a few weeks out. it has been submitted to fellow members and it is being worked to contact one-on-one.

we are not at a 50% threshold that it is a process. she is working on this process. i am focusing on the wider issue of general delegate context. and i want to let them know that there is a serious movement to andate them to your right responsibility. so for me, i am focusing on the other aspect. because that she is introducing will be good to really solidify in one statement to bring them into one rules and one paragraph that is distinct, clear and without any doubt what the responsibilities are. with the delegates are facing in many states -- in some states there are a state law that says intel's private organizations how they have to cast their vote. i is contrary to the supreme court decision.

a federal court decision in 2007 that make it clear that in this type of matter, the state government has no authority to privatee with the member organization. the republican or democrat party or other entities. so what we've got is delegates who are fearful. they have heavy-handed party leaders in their states who are threatening that if they don't cast their vote in the primary been their assigned a candidate to cast a vote for that they will be having credentials pulled or be ostracized within the party. so this is largely my effort to educate every delegate that they have this right and responsibility. and that they are not alone and that they can cast their ballot on the first ballot. host: we are talking about this

effort. free the delegates 2016. one of the cofounders, regina thomson, joining us. if you want to ask her questions, (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8000 if you are democrat. that freebie delegates is not an alternative to donald trump. gym and itpeal to do has no apparent plan beyond that. is that a truthful statement? well, it is misstated. we are a coalition of people from across the country. delegates, alternates and grassroots people who have previously supported various candidates. large contingent who

supported senator cruz. we have marco rubio supporters. we have one of the speakers from the john kasich campaign so this is a broad coalition. we would not presume to tell he delegates who we want to be the replacement candidate in the event that donald trump is not nominated. we are setting the stage and opening the door for those delegates to choose the that they have come ready to cast their vote for. we are not in contact with any of the presidential campaigns. we haven't talked to them and we have not encourage them and we are not behind the scenes, saying we think they should look at this again. because we know that as we get closer to the convention and the candidates realize that is a serious effort to secede -- to

succeed, that already there is one and more of the candidates who are running through the last year who are already talking internally with their own campaigns. they are trying to make a decision as to how they may present themselves at the convention. a process for the delegates to make this decision. we are not in a position to say hey convention, now we think you should nominate candidate a or candidate b. we are just laying the ground for the candidates to do the delegates work when they get there. that teddidate a, is cruz? guest: i don't know what canada. none of us discuss among ourselves who we think the replacement should be. because that is not what our goal is. not haveis to simply donald trump nominated on the

first ballot. and leave it open for the ,elegates to cast their ballot whatever number of ballots it takes in order to come up with a nominee. host: we have calls lined up for you. there is a delay with our guest because she is in colorado so as soon as you get on the line, go ahead with your question or comment. we are starting with lenny on the independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. with all due respect, i do not recall this happening the last two presidential conventions. reason, you are circumventing the will of the people. of four and by the people is what the convention is. because the establishment republican party is unhappy with the way the primary went, there is no need to do so. mind you, ma'am, if this occurs comesther individual

forward to be president in the republican convention, you would lose. you would lose a lot of donald trump fans. well, lenny, thank you for your comment. let me remind you that fully 60% of the republicans who cast their ballots during the primaries and caucuses did not cast them for donald trump. so he does not have a majority of the support of those who cast their vote in primaries and caucuses. this is within the process of the republican party. are not doing anything shady behind closed doors. this is in the open. the reason you do not see this happen after the romney candidacy nomination and after -- we are nomination not just people who said we are disappointed. i will candidate wasn't

nominated and we are try to disrupt things just because we are disappointed. people -- it is fundamental and goes to the core nature of the canada. we do not believe that mr. trump first of all embodies the republican party principles. democrat part of his life and donating heavy to democrat candidates over the years. with lot of other things policy and temperament -- we do not see him as being the republican -- the right person for the republican candidacy and we do feel that even if he was nominated that he would be able to win. so for us, we are operating within the process of the republican party in the open. we are not hiding what we are inviting delegates that we know are concerned. we have hundreds of delegates contacting us over the last couple of weeks saying thank you for doing this.

i'm glad that somebody has brought this up. how do i get involved. let me commit to you that i will vote by conscience at the convention. host: from west virginia on the republican line. brian is up next. caller: the lady brought up the they didn't have primaries back then. they just sent delegates to a national convention and ironed everything out. today we have primaries to get the will of the base. what this lady is doing is going against the will of the base and being anti-democratic. we have spoken. donald trump. more votes than in the in modern times primaries and that is what the people want. and yougoing against it are putting hillary clinton into the white house. you are going against the base. we don't want global's trade

policies. we don't want people coming in from terrorist countries. we voted for donald trump and you should follow the will of the people in your party. brian.hanks, i too am concerned about globalist policies. i'm concerned about terrorists coming into our countries. we want a safe country for our kids and grandchildren and for ourselves to live in. we are simply saying that this is the process. we know that we have concerns delegates. if we didn't have enough concern across the country from the republican base. and i'm telling you, this is the republican base behind us -- we are not range radicals. we are very concerned americans and we don't believe that donald trump, even if he is nominated, will be able to beat hillary clinton. consider what is going on right now in the campaign with his

inability to raise funds? finance, hepaign on reported $1.3 million in his account as opposed to hillary clinton with $42 million on hand. we know that across the states he has done nothing in the last year to build a campaign and you can't, win a general election on rallies alone. you have to have people on the ground. you have to have a plan on the ground to turn out voters. when you combine the lack of fundraising and the lack of planning to actually run a and combineaign that with the problems with his policies and temperament and so forth -- for us, all of those things have come together. it isn't just disappointment that our candidates -- and we all have different opinions on the candidates -- it isn't just that our candidate didn't

prevail, we fundamentally believe that this one is so wrong for the party and country that we have taken this historic , unusual step to go down this path. , joseph, goew york ahead. caller: then i don't understand the purpose of having a primary. are you doing the same with the superdelegates with the democratic party? are you really for hillary clinton? thedon't want to listen to people speak. maybe that is why donald trump is suing you. guest: well, i can only aspire to be a member of a country club. fully 60% of the people who voted in the primary and caucus did not support donald trump. he has a plurality but he does not have a majority. this is simply the process of

the republican party. byaries were instituted progressive thought that we needed to open it up. open.rimaries are very it isn't just republicans. there was a story out yesterday that analysis shows that most likely, 12 million democrats republican caucuses last spring. that is not the republican base nominating and speaking for the candidate they choose. that is interference from people outside the party. it is condoned by state governments. that is why we are standing up. the process has been corrupted by state government meddling and state parties allowing people who are not registered with the party to come in and helped choose a canada. and we are doing what is right within our own process. host: there is a story that says if you have a chance for

delegates to vote their conscience, you would need 300 plus delegates to revolt, so to speak. do you think you have that amount within the total number of delegates? we are very confident that by the time we reached the convention that we will have that number and far greater to revolt. regina thomson is our guest, talking about what might play out at the republican convention in july. let's hear from shelley in florida. on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. -- obviously, but that peopleo is before they decide they want to run for president. that donaldmention trump has been a democrat most of his life. the gop republican party did not

know this before donald trump sees the nominee? for the gop? that -- you are saying that democrats crossed party lines to vote for this man in? this is not a new thing. saying alls on stage , you guys letnse him get as far as he got and now he is the nominee and you decide to choose that he has been a democrat most of his life. well, thank you for the call. the reality is that the party structure is there to hold open before him for candidates who choose to run. at the topnt someone

of the party, whether it is the national party or state party or a county party -- we don't want one or two people making the choices as to who can put their name into the mix for the nomination. it is up to the voters and members of the party to then that the candidate. in this instance, the vetting is very public. we know his flaws. we know his history of moving back and forth between the democrat and republican party. we know that he has donated heavily to democrats. he is proud of the fact that he donates to everyone because it gets him what he wants in this business life. so he has been very open with us about the fact that he what we are seeing his anger among voters. they do not care about his flaws. i personally care. i think we have to have