>> flags are still at halfstaff capitol today, to remember those killed in the dallas shootings. agogress, with just one week for the upcoming break. that expected to continue until after labor day. the republican national begin in a et to week.

your thoughts on if there is an anti-police culture currently in the united states. in law enforcement, current and retired, and you give your thoughts there's a number. 202-847-8000. 202-748-8001. twitter page is @ cspanwj. facebook.com/cspan. in the new york times today eric adams a former captain and the president.rough taking a look at the current police culture in the united states. us is ue line between

what it's titled. he said this. we cannot and should not ignore deeply rooted anger that millions of good hearted americans feel at this moment. not just motion born in the last few days and months. the shootings that claimed the lives of alston sterling and philandro castile are the only this causes to stir anger. my solution to the tension between the people and police is to seek unity not by division. about t how people feel the transformation. they are undoubtedly correct adding that i hear those sayings the time, that's forever, over.ime for talk is i agree, it income passes our that should rative never deliver a more right shus tomorrow. concrete step is action. that's some of the thoughts from the former captain in the new department. that's eric adams. you can find that in the new york times this morning. that in mind, we'll take a look at it. do you think there's an

anti-police culture here in the united states. 202-748-8000.lines that's for those of you currently in law enforcement. retired as are even well. you want to get your thoughts on the topic. 20 202-748-8000. 202- all others 202-748-80001. ere are the thoughts of former police chief ramsey. >> we do have some rising crime rates. we have on average 13,000 murders in the united states every year. these are not shootings by police. these are police killing people. who do you think goes after the people responsible for these crimes? it's the cops. encounter a lot of very dangerous people out there on the street. can look at numbers in a

variety of ways. we need to keep it in context police officers have a very challenging and often dangerous job. that is not to say that we be mindful of the fact that we have some officers that use excessive force, that it's not le when totally justified. we've got to really address that them accountable. ut it is not an effect of policing at large editors write in the usa today. days americans will have to hold tight to two points. one, the dallas shooter was a hateful man who does not represent the movement of blacks nd whites seeking fairness and justice or african-americans. and, two, police officers who innocent black men fraction of y a innocent americans. president obama said on

saturday, america is not as divided as some have suggested. and shared ity sorrow and in knowing this is be as we want to americans. is there an anti-police culture in the u.s.? your thoughts. in law enforcement. 202-748-8000. others 202-748-8001 james in tlanta, georgia, you ire up first. >> caller: i think it's the the idual culture and system. that tell basically people in united states that have a harder problem than white people realize. black people really are a unique type of individual race of people? other race of people will accept what is actually to our kids and our

brothers and sisters and family members, you know? they are actually losing their life. this is causing heart ache and pain to us personally. when things happen to black things, it s and don't seem like it's really no big deal. doesen matter. you see how challenged they are things go down. when something happen to black people, we hurt. the police officers got killed nd different type of things, you know. of it's just the mentality white people. they never really want to treat us as equal here in the united states. >> host: so, james, as far as concerned, you said is this an individual thing broader sense, there is an anti-police culture in the u.s.? broader : it's just a thing. it's up to individuals how they reat each other, how we treat

each other. that's what i'm getting to. got you. kesh is up next. good morning. i think it's a broader thing. beingk it seems from just unjustly dealt with. i think it's more of anti-injustice. into the police incidences. i think we have a war on racism we have a war on terror. we have a campaign against a rything else so let's have campaign against racism. >> host: so that more than a police thing. it's more a racism thing. >> caller: racism and injustice. anything, policies, institutions, anything that ondones or supports racism or injustice, let's fight against it. we have a war against that. we'll hear from brian next. brian lives in woodbridge,

virginia. good morning. you're up. >> caller: yes. mayor giuliani said there are individuals in black on black crime. we struggle against that in our communities as well. really covered as much in the media. sometimes it is though. abiding gh i am a law itizen and veteran, the few ises i have been pulled over for traffic things. one in ten e's a chance i might die today. criminals % that are in law enforcement, unlike the black on black criminals that community, they are not aggressively pursued or prosecutors. lose their even jobs. overwhelminghere's evidence that shows there's criminals, sometimes it gets disregarded. source of the

mistrust. even with law abuying males.n-american how do you change that sense of trust or this idea of a sensement toward police? >> caller: give it to black matter manager and the people. police black on black crime. and prosecute those 2% of the murder unarmed citizens aggressively. aggressively as you prosecute civilians who murder civilians. you do that, then the fairness the trust of ven all citizens, you know, not just some. the person we see exonerated.et they get disregarded. like trayvon martin even though civilian.dered by a

the stand your ground law should have been a law that actually trayvon martin's right of self-defense for being hunted instead of y a gun the opposite. when you see cases like that -- he's left us. let's go to massachusetts. massachusetts, what do about this idea. > caller: i hope you give me a minute. i want to say first off that -- e were no >> host: sorry. we may be having issues with the phones. people are dropping off again. 202-748-8000 if you are a member enforcement 202-748-8001 for all others. mentioned some of the arrest and issues going on. wall street journal takes a look how activists are faring

these days. black lives matter looks to after harsh words protesting that the group has maintained an emphasis on onviolent action and promotion of dignity, justice and respect for black people. point that in he a statement after a gun man fatally shot five police officers at a protest against police brutality. matter ugh black lives doesn't condone violence, some unfairly s are often villified. one, he said a lot of the rioting is people are angry. it rioting villifies the people expressing that anger. also if you look in the paper there was an arrest that was made over the weekend baton rouge. a photo this morning of the mckessa one of the best known voices for black lives matter. hundreds arrested in the weekend demonstrations cross the country, he spent 16

hours in a baton rouge jail cell an was released sunday vowing to continue demonstrating but a he convinced that the authorities want activists to of quote, too afraid protests. i say that mentioned on his ebsite and he posted his being arrested, what you're seeing there on "the washington post" website. that took his arrest place in baton rouge. it was on this place last week that he was talking about issues black lives matter, issues concerning the dallas hootings and the events in other states. if you want to see his interview us go to nducted with cspan.org. full.that interview in lance, st. thomas, virgin islands. good morning. hat do you think about this idea of anti-press culture in the u.s.? >> caller: yes, hi. good morning. think it's a big problem. you know, it's gotten blown i totally, you know, into a bad way. that i'm nt to say

white, so i can't really understand or say that i like to be hat it's black or a black person's psyche. but also, some of the statistics, if you look at it, i i saw that for every black person killed by a police white , there are two people killed by a two white people killed by the police officer. think there was something like 50 police officers killed last year in the line of duty? any of that on the media. host: that's lance calling from the virgin islands. line waiting the to give your comments, hole on for just a few minutes. you are currently keep doing that. 02-748-8000 for those in law enforcement. 202-748-8001 for all others. going to talk about work

on the platform. joining us on the phone to talk proceedings, henry gomez, chief political reporter cleveland.com. mr. gomez, thanks for joining us. guest:my pleasure. >> host: tell us what happens oday as far as work on the platform? >> guest: a platform committee minutes, n about 45 then they break off into subcommittees. drafts ofbe reviewing potential platform changes for 2016. hearing that there will be some perhaps on trade as we presumptive nominee, onald trump has a much harder foreign line than do most main stream republicans. e will be watching to see what they might do on marriage equality. gomez, is this the

part of the activity where those ho want to possibly not -- those currently pledged to donald trump and looking to be that, does that discussion take place at this point? today and not tomorrow, but that will occur during the rules committee think which convenes, i they start wednesday night with some orientation and then the meetings continue thursday. have a friday session as necessary. e were talking four years, probably say that friday session would not be necessary, but here are going to be some efforts this time to change up tougher , to make it for donald trump to reach that on the mber of 1,237 convention floor next week. >> host: you talked about some were up for that discussion. as far as contentiousness. do you think that you will see starts off today or is that saved for other fights for days?

>> guest: well, i do think there ill be some contentiousness just because at this point those who are opposed to donald trump ill be looking for some moral victories. if they can keep him from moving the party too left on some of cultural issues that are important to conservatives, i think you're try and do them that. but for the most part, this to be a is not going huge battleground for the party this week. > some of the stories in the papers in the last couple of days talk about donald trump's issues like abortion. do social issues take prefrb lens in these kinds of discussions this year? guest: i think if anything you may see it dialled back a little bit. there have been some reports out this morning and over the party could the soften its tone on gay marriage because, of course, the supreme decided that issue last summer. they could do something that attempts to --

make it more of a state issue in some an leave language that has been there in the past calling for a cons constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. considered amay be softer stance on the issue, but fact phrebgt reflects the that donald trump has made gay marriage a calling card of his campaign. host: so, we'll see activity today. wrap up? that then what happens? >> guest: well, we're hoping wraps up i think friday with the rules committee, even into the weekend. sunday big party for all the for the ming into town actual convention next week. these next few days the are happeningthat in the cleveland convention enter are going to be the real litmus test for how much trouble donald trump faces once he week.es in town next

>> host: henry gomez covers politics for cleveland.com. oining us to talk about those platform hearings on the republican national committee. r. gomez, thank you very much for your input. bet.u >> host: if you want to watch 2:30 this ng, afternoon. on cspan 3. is there an anti-police culture united states? that's what we're posting to you in our first 45 minutes on twitter. harrison said there isn't an anti-police culture. it's an anti-bad cop culture. this is carol saying i don't feel there is an anti-police ulture except among those who break the laws and rules. who do we call when we need help? appleton, wisconsin, you're next. good morning. >> caller: good morning. taking my call. i don't think there's an anti-police culture. it's an anti-obedience culture. need toack lives people

listen to the police when they something, do it. you will not get shot. videos i have been seeing, these people are not listening to what the police are telling them to do. why they're getting shot. when the police tell you to do something, do it, and you will shot.t that's why they have a badge. that's why they can put you behind bars. mean, i love the police. actually went -- i didn't graduate but i was in police science for two years. my tell you, a cop saved wife one time when i was having a blood clot. an iv ins couldn't get my arm. the cop was the only one that could get an iv in my arm. out there, you black lives matter. listen to the police and you not get shot. >> host: skwraeupls from georgia please.d, >> caller: good morning. i don't think there's an culture in the

united states. i think it more or less just culture in the united states. he people in the united states is fair-minded people. the problem is we don't seem to apples in d the bad the police department responsible when they got bad apples. you basically reward people for executing people. no justification for it. policing o better within the police departments hat's what you're saying is needed? >> caller: it's got to start from a higher level than that. you look at most of these states the united states. they're run by a republican governor. the e not gonna get epublicans to move on nothing pertaining to race in america. they don't see no political it.fit in

>> host: crown city, ohio. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i kind of got a comment. 1960s and 70s, hillary clinton got on there and black people all superpredators. when i was growing up all the police, eren't called they were called peace officers. i think it's just a formal way this ping everybody in country divided. >> host: what do you mean by that? >> caller: it just keeps everybody off the real problems on.what's going >> host: as far as the sense hat there's an anti-police culture, what do you think? >> caller: i think it's something that they are trying everybody.n you don't see everybody, you know, all the other stories of people getting shot and killed. just the black people. >> host: that's kyle in ohio. "the washington post" this morning interviews with officers the events of the

last week and how they're reacting to it. this is colby saying after the of two hootings african-american, anger is inflamed. epartments have received death threats. david thomas a retired police officer from gainesville, runs a private therapy practice specifically have ficers said police always had to worry about their safety but the concern is ten times what it normally would be. past few days he said he's spoken to police chiefs in who told them they received threats. target them. quote, the job itself is a tough job. have police become prey. that's what you see now. very disconcerting to have to about that in addition to your normal vigilance. give your to thoughts, currently retired the number to call.

202-748-8001. here's tom in west hartford, connecticut. >> caller: good morning. think in general there's nationwide it's not really anti-police culture. certain segments are anti-law tpoerpbsment. justly so. arrest was protesting cambodia.ng of who was there to arrest me and stop me? it was law enforcement. from the day far of jim crow. good face it, thurmond marshall supreme court justice was being delivered to a lynching by a police officer law enforcement. who enforced jim crow? who enforced jim crow? enforcement. who stopped the demonstrators that were going after the war in vietnam and were slaught iring millions in vietnam? law enforcement. o there's just cause in many,

many areas. i was at another peaceful demonstration and had my dislocated by law enforcement when i was calm by walking with a state trooper. so there are reasons, and we should not dismiss those reasons. these shootings can be a continuation of lynching. we're not that many decades from overlynching. do you remember the ku klux klan rallies? by day, white by night. blue by day, white by night. areas of this ny country. maybe not in total but where it's there i think it's justified. >> john in washington, d.c., go ahead. >> caller: hello. you're on. >> caller: how you doing? this. you to listen to this is very important. reason why a lot of are going on in america

with white officers against this.s is lack people need to come off the framed mind of switching get stitches. off that framed mind then you can start saying ourselves, we ern need to police ourselves. there needs to be more with black police officers in the black community police han white officers. the reason why is because blacks know blacks. whites come into a black neighborhood to govern, they know how to handle black people. thing.one number two, i honestly believe the freddie gray case was done because police officers training that ar has never been highlighted since freddie gray case.

killed because the police officer put their neck.n his if you look at every police arrest whether he had an on the ground they lways always put their knee on an individual. not racism. that has to do with their practice. efs killed. windsor, bob in connecticut. good morning. >> caller: good morning. how you doing? fine thanks. go ahead. of it er: i think a lot being many people politically correct. we used to cut and joke up. you do it you're a

racist. >> what do you think this idea anti-police culture in the u.s.? well, to a point maybe. it's always been there. it's just that everything is publicized now than what it be.d to they go on about that. bout, you know, i'm three quarters american indian but you never see anything on the news about indians being killed or anything. there's places still in this country they can't even go in estaurants, bars, but nobody ever publicizes any of that. let's hear from johnny. johnny is in louisiana. johnny, you're up next. hi. >> caller: can you hear me? >> host: yep. you're on. >> caller: i see the question,

anti-police culture. these videos all of people, excessive force, people getting killed and everything. there are racists, ome racist police officers on the force and across the country. police officers are supposed to upholding the law. know there's probably a good portion out there that hear racist comments from their workers and know who these people are, but don't do get ing about it like to them off the force torque take them.dge from in this code of blue sigh len or whatever, they protect each other. these peoplee oath took. the oath they took was to uphold the law. you have law breakers on the force and you know they're doing this and doing that and getting away with murder an you're covering up for them, then of there's going to be an

anti-police culture. mean, you got videotapes of people being murdered and away with it.g even people rallying for justice. even the criminal justice system. nobody's getting convicted. you have these secrets where we even know who they are. the wording is jury of your peer. sheriff s may be deputies and stuff within the ame force as the one that's being accused. that's no surprise to me that they are not getting convicted stuff like that going on. if you have to respect the badge like you used to. you have the change issue. can do it ourselves. within the own departments across the country. know what to do. you know the comments they make. get rid of these people. mean, i'm not condoning what

happened in dallas. i think it's a tragedy. surprised either. >> host: marcia from louisiana, on the air.u're >> caller: yeah. had a date with a friend that is from out of town. ate supper and then suggested that we ride out to the lake and watch the sunset. we were going down the road and a police officer, we looked p and there was blue lights behind us so we pulled over. and me up to the window asked to see my friend's driver's license. license. the went back to his car, came back ran the plate. e came back and said i pulled you over because you were waving. him, i guess i told out the window and there are trees and every now and then you come to a can see idge where you

the water and see the sun come out across there. so we were watching for a place where we could see the sun coming down. so apparently his driving was straight as it should be. us.so anyway, he looked at my friend is from another country. a citizen now, but he does have a somewhat of an accent. anyway, the officer was very nice. gave him back his license. that's fine. i guess he checked us out and thought we looked okay. my friend was dressed nice. go s dressed like you would on a date to go out to eat. think it's the attitude when you are pulled ver by a police officer that makes a difference regardless of what color you are.

it's just that everybody in the neighborhood i grew up with was when your teacher tells you to do something, you do it. if a police officer pulls you over, you do what they ask you to do. neighborhoods the opposite is taught. disrespect ht to eople in authority, whether it's your teacher or your police officer or whatever. it's these people, if i y had simply said, i mean, have been pulled over before because i have a light out. said, okay, you know? actually, i'm glad he pulled me because i need -- your car is safer if it's right.oning i have no way of knowing a taillight is out. we got your point. thank you for that. former inois, dwight, a

member of law enforcement. dwight, good morning. >> caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i do believe that there is an anti-police culture but i don't elieve that it is actually based on race. i believe in the '80s, there was discussion for a local and state officers to actually use much more iscretion in approaching a case. now everything is based off brought enerated money into the system. every stop that is made, whether whatever,ffic stop or looking at for, is a felony stop. pushed and geared felony rather he than a discretionary use by a police officer now a days. revenue generator.

you're looking at, you know, up to a car. there doesn't even have to be marijuana being smoked in the car, but an say, ir could walk up and smell, i believe i smell marijuana emanating from your which then makes -- gives search.obable cause to if you search and you find something that, you know, you actually see, then it felony arrest, and then courts make money and municipalities make money officers gain promotion. slowly overn taught the course of the last 25 years. now we have officers who are but in the same instance, they're really pushing envelope where people distrust because of a

regular normal traffic stop. > host: dwight, before you leave, what kind of law enforcement did you do? > caller: i did local and county law enforcement. narcotics and regular traffic and call response. > host: that's dwight, giving us his thoughts. you can do the same if you're urrent or former law enforcement. we were talking earlier about the upcoming convention for the cleveland.s in "washington post" today, profile former candidate and current .governor john cakasich saying soon he is going to head o new york to publish a book proposal about the 2016 campaign contracting ge of trump's doomsday talk with his positive approach. out the is to throw

books. i'm not shutting my political operation down the former said.essman i'm not closing any doors. but my focus now will be on the senate, the downtick here in the state. he will be leveland conspicuous, doing media and parallel political universe. oeubg , governor case will low his own high profile party at the rock 'n' roll hall supporters. from wisconsin, this is al. next.ou are up hi. >> caller: yes. how you doing? i was just thinking, they keep saying, why this, why that? is, if it's roblem not handled judicially, they're and handle it

because they see it over and over not being handled where innocent.l so, i -- you change that then? >> caller: i think there's more training that's needed. think. what i because the same thing will keep happening. it's akin to waco. say why did they do this when they bombed oklahoma? they didn't care if there were children or who was how many got killed. same thing came back on them where we don't care how many get killed or ifless children in there which is horrible. hat's the mentality of what's going to happen if it's not fixed. law st: robert is a former enforcement officer from missouri. thoughts?at are your >> caller: yeah. i used to be a d.c. police officer. one of the things that i really liked about that police that police

academy, they train police thoroughly about how to deal with citizens. in d.c. you have certain people. you can't just do anything. things i give that department credit for is, it is exceptionally a good department learning how to deal with people. reality is, you know, i now live in the st. area. the difference that i see in is cing there and here traumatic. one of the things i think that departments need to do is find out how the d.c. department handles situations in dealing with, you don't have that problem there lot of police a departments. and i think a lot of black need to go there and well they do it.

> that would serve a lot of issues. >> the thing is, when i was in olice academy there, after i got from vietnam, they taught mean, they e -- i emphatically taught us, you have respect yours citizens. you have to enforce the law. digtity and to give respect to the people you kneel with. if you don't do that, like in doing it to a be diplomat and you don't want to the at because it gets you trouble. treat all citizens the same way, with dignity and respect. f necessary, you have to enforce the law, you do it. but you have to do it in a professional way. here in st. louis, it's astonishing. racism here is unbelievable in department. that's why i think it's a good of people in police work need to come to d.c. an learn how well they do it. host: one of the questions

eading up to convention, the potential vice president candidate for donald trump. yesterday was the oklahoma by the host of that program if she's on the short list for donald trump's vp. she had to say. >> i have not been asked for documentation and i have not had a specific conversation with any of his about vice president. it's certainly a great honor to be mentioned with numerous other across our nation, but i have not been asked to provide information. in may the trump about his vice presidential picks. here's what the huffington post reported. the party won't probably choose minority member of a group. he said, quote, that would be think.s pandering, i if donald trump picks a white man as his running mate, given equalea, all things being

in terms of all of the different qualified possibilities yourself. do you think that would be missing an opportunity to diversify the ticket and show the republican party is truly about? party isthe republican a very diverse party. foremost, thatand in who ever they're looking at for vice president, that they would look at the set, ications, the skill the knowledge, the history, conservative principles and that they would not judge a vice presidential candidate based upon their sex. man or woman. >> host: that's the oklahoma governor on "the washington time today." another name coming up, that's pence, the indiana governor. as donald trump moves his eyes governor pence saying close delegates who was to the governor told "the washington times" that the ndiana house speaker a

conservative republican had sought advice on him from governor.or what does he need to do to run as governor? pence to step down in order to be trump's running mate. sepbly added a campaign rally in indianapolis to a featuring plan mr. trump and mr. pence. mr. trump speaks today at 1 p.m. afternoon in virginia beach, virginia. the topic, veterans issues. on cspan 2 that live at 1:00. georgia, lynette. thanks for waiting. >> caller: thank you very much my call.g i don't believe that we are anti-police. on lieve that what's going now is that the shootings of philandro rling and castile, those murders, and that's what they were, murders.

we have cops that do things that are not right. it's making i bad for good cops. i think the shootings that appened in dallas is totally awful. and i think that there are some laws that need to be changed in that govern so that all lives are protected. the reason we're discussing the african-american lives is because the situation with the police has been going years. many, many decades. this is not -- we have social media now, so now people realize can put it, have it on camera because beforehand it was ore so the people would think you were playing the race card. but that's not the case. we have a problem in america. the laws to need be changed. we need that diversity training. if you were would in corporate america and you have many different people, various races working together. it's important that we understand, you know, how to and how tone another have better communication. it is true. to be t allow one group disenfranchised. if it was my brothers and was going something

on, they were being treated in a ertain way, hey, woe should protest and fight for that, too. i don't think anybody in america to go through some of the police forces to protect us. that we be somebody trust. there are dirty cops out there. let's get rid of them. punish them. let's take action. all right. nelson in pennsylvania. hello. from pennsylvania. >> caller: hi. thank you very much for taking my call. yes. think it's not really a problem. localized in some cases. owever, i want to mention the people that train, that do actual training in some cases, diverse themselves. i'll give an example of seattle, instance. doesn't e police force

have, has someone from somalia. one guy hired to do this. training. that were passing through to become a police officer. there's a hate problem among the somali community. police y send white officers to police the somali community. police officers don't know somali community. any don't understand language. so, there is a big, big push somali community. county police in most cases are favorable in larger area of seattle. local polices like for the cities get paid as well. know what that is. >> host: okay. one more call. washington. out of hi there. >> caller: good to talk to you, sir. taking my call.

>> host: you're on. go ahead. sir.aller: yes, that st trying to talk to caller. the problem is they look at the olice officers like oh my god, he's going to hurt me. he has a book. he has to apply. a book of law. law came ou think the from? not make a right. normal aling with just people. i understand that situation. here's the thing. he has given the first impression, i am black, you are a threat to me.

going on.t's police officer is already taken from you. you consider yourself. so before you being mad at the agree officer, why don't with yourself before you are being mad at the police officer. seattle amar from washington, last call this morning. for those of you who are 2016 closely,aign one of the things you may look at is polling data of the where candidates and they stand with not only constituents but on issue. e're going to discuss some recent polls and the process of olling and what it means for ou particularly as you particularly as it applies to hillary clinton. -- uest steven shepherd shepard. wonderlich will be here later. washington journal cons after

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>> washington journal continues. host: good morning. e'll talk about polls and how it affects the various candidates. first question, how much attention should the coverage be paying attention to these days? >> guest: we are pretty early on process. when we look back, the polls accurate ecome more later. the conventions are about a month earlier than they've been the past two elections. we're still in that early stage. the numbers that you're seeing baseline.a these two candidates are going to spend the next three weeks to votersg themselves in a more formal way as their party's nominees officially. once we move toward august and

these polls ay, should start not only measuring how americans feel about these which tes by also americans tend to vote. nce we get down to the likely voter polls in august and september, things tend to get more accurate. so if you go to sites like real clear politic. they show different polls and what they say about the candidates. pewexample if you go to the poll it says when it comes to hillary clinton. 33%.ers, clinton 44%, trump when you get to polls that show leading by two points at 40%, what do those -- numbers show trends and how has that trend been going for either of these candidates? >> look. the reality is of the past roughly 50 polls that have been nationally, donald trump has led twice.

led 48 time on has ors something along that trend. now that doubt right you look at the numbers and illary clinton enters this general election phase with an advantage. conductedf polls were before her -- the fbi talked ab her e-mail case and decided that wouldn't be charged. these polls were conducted before some of the things that appened last week in the country. these polls are going to be conducted before each candidate their running mate before each party has their onvention and each candidate has an idea to talk directly to voters. once we get that in the rear mirror they do become more accurate. what it tells us, with the rasmussen of the two polls conducted on automated land line with only respondents and only half of american adults live in a household with a landline now. other than that, the polls are hillaryy unanimous that

clinton has a pretty small but all significant advantage going into the election >> host: we'll talk more about steven idates are shepard. if you want to ask him questions n the science of polling 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republic, independent.for hat does it say about who ultimately wins? guest: the past few campaigns it a interesting to have candidate in the middle of the summer with a lead quite this big. barack obama and mitt romney were basically tied. barack obama had opened up a in t lead over john mccain the summer, but that was a lead john mccain closed with his when his nvention, party got to go second. came into palin,

labor day basically tying the race up. bush and john kerry were very close, george bush and close. were very that's going back to 1996 when over dole forlead basically the duration of the campaign. o historically that's not necessarily that big of an abberation. there's no guarantee that she's going to win. 1988, george k to and bush trailed dukakis never looked back and won a slide victory. i would caution against saying someone's ahead in the early means they're going to win. it means if the election was would be most likely. >> host: these elections are

especially as a vice president candidate gets chosen. how much does that factor into their minds ange about who they'll support? >> we talk about whether the vice president matters. part, they don't. but they matter in this way. it is really the first residential decision that voters get to see these candidates make. and particularly someone like ofald trump, there are a lot republicans here in washington. the they were really on fence, want to support their party's nominees have reservation. they want to see his first presidential decision. and naming a running mate this to be that g decision. so i think a lot of folks, maybe even more than usual, voters are looking to see where these candidates come down on these having mates and then the opportunity to sell that running mate and sell this ampaign at the convention next week and the week after. critical.hat will be sheet : a political tip

that comes out daily, also was a polling editor at hotline. shepard joining us. arthur you're up first. good morning, you're on with our guest. >> caller: thanks. like to talk about this happened.ragedy that i think a lot of people don't donald trump investigated all of this with the way he's been treating in his campaign and everything. hit them in the mouth, throw them out on your ear. in the mouth. pay your bill if you go to jill. of this.stigated all i think the people should know this. like he's soto act righteous. racist and a bigot and he ain't got no business running for the president of the united states of america. >> host: that's arthur in

virginia, giving his thoughts on it. maden shepard's statements by donald trump. ow they factor into how people are polled. how long does it last as far as sentiment is concerned? that's an interesting question. i think the tenor of this been already very very negative. from both parties for the most part. hat the democratic primary is pretty positive. when you look at where the both ing is now from candidates, hillary clinton is unning some positive advertising. most people look at her, like in tlantic city, is talking about onald trump and attacking donald trump. both candidates go into the really high negative. the other needs to bring their opponent down.

that's only going to increase the negative tenor of this campaign. there's a difference between negative campaigning and some of the violence that we've seen at some of these events, from donald trump's opponents and his supporters. think that will be something to watch next week in cleveland. > host: from vermont, indiana, guest steven shepard. >> caller: good morning. thank you very much for giving a chance to talk. i impression to who i vote, don't vote for hillary. background, she has enough. my only candidate i was in favor sanders.rnie i wanted him to win with but ons of people, by crats prevented that playing tricks. bernie tried to mix the

democrats and accept that and hillary. i respect bernie, but i don't. the country, that right was taken from me. want to say. >> guest: i think this will be a question.teresting the polls will be a good measure. 55% of clinton only won the vote in the democratic primary. that means you have a lot of 42% of whom voted for bernie sanders. supporters to his come on board step one is have bernie sanders endorse you. we are going to see that tomorrow in new hampshire. tracking now to see if she can increase. little nning 80, 85, under 90% of democrats in these polls. 90%, 95% et that up to

that's going to be worth a few points in the polls overall and her kpapb her lead over donald trump. >> host: does the same thing when it donald trump comes to gary johnson? how much he polls it certainly -- it applies to the republican voters who are still on the sidelines about donald trump, they will looking at the convention, looking at his running mate, looking for cues as to whether or not this is a candidate they can get behind. otherwise, a lot of those voters who would not -- for those voters would not vote for hillary clinton, gary johnson remains a choice and gary johnson still has to vote -- pigeon self to those voters, he has to get people who knows who to 15%o peaking get up in these polls and make the debates in late september and then command this large audience

and be able to make his pitch. host: what is he pulling? -- with donald trump and hillary clinton so that he can get that measure right now, depends on where you look and it depends on how they asked the question, but it is generally about the highest digit. if he can get over 10 and towards 15%, he can make a case to get into this debate. host: democrat line, vivienne, good morning. caller: i was calling to talk about the polling. i am 65 years old and nobody ever calls me about polling. how many people are you pulling? -- polling? our deplete --f police department and the citizens. last night, they were here talking about the shootings, and

ino about the shooters tennessee killing each other and a father spoke about it. policee listened to our chief. i am very proud of that. black people have to stop killing each other, too. they are up there saying black lives matter. all lives matter. my son was a police officer and i was praying to god everything would go ok. we need someone to lead this country, not put up hate like that will trump. i say this to republicans and democrats, please get out and vote. host: thank you. caller: to take her first take her guest: -- to first question, how many people are in these polls, the one they came up this morning, it is about 1000 people.

statistically speaking, when you're looking at the overall population of the country, you can get a significant sample out of 1000 people. people who say they are not getting called, statistically speaking, that often happens and a lot of folks say well i don't call when i don't recognize the number that is calling me. but they never get called to participate. i know people are bombarded by sales calls and telemarketers, but there is some legitimate public opinion research being , and i the telephone would encourage people to answer. there is also significant research being done online. if you want to give your opinion, you can sign up online. you can participate in online

polling. there are various ways to get your voice heard, at a time when so many people want to do that. host: how long does it take to take a poll? minutesfive to 15 depending on the survey. they are not selling you anything, sometimes they are trying to convince you to vote for one candidate or another, but we talk about the polls we are talking about, these are legitimate scientific polls. they are trying to figure out whom you support and what is driving that. how you feel about the issues. host: here is the poll that our guest mentioned from washington post, about the fbi decision to exonerate hillary clinton. most disapproving of that. our guest, stephen shepard talking about polling.

we go to bob in springfield, virginia, independent. doler: my question has to with the quality of the polls themselves. polled many people being who may be misinformed or ignorant, we have seen popular tv shows where people do not even know who the president is or who is on the supreme court. me wonder whether randomized questions of 1000 people are really getting the true feelings of voters. the second part of the question is when you do put out a cold, the think -- put out a poll, do you think it influences the undecided? guest: i will take a second part of that, first. there is no doubt that there are -- there are a lot of questions that have been asked about horse race polling and when we go into

say hillary, let's clinton's advantage of six or seven points holds. what does that do to voters who are maybe not as motivated to get out to the polls if they know that one candidate has a significantly and the outcome is not terribly in doubt. does it affect turnout? does it affect how people want to vote? do people want to send a message and vote against it? as far as the first part, that is part of our democracy, that or u.s. citizen, 18 years

older can turn out and their ballot counts the same as somebody who reads the new york times or the washington post every day, or our website at politico. what i will say is that pollsters, particularly as we get later in the process, they really try to discern when they , who is goingks to vote and who is not. get to knowoters the candidates and get to see the range of the convention, you start drilling down and you only want those people in your polls who are going to vote because frequently, the people who are not going to vote are not the same as the people who do vote. electorate more so in the midterm years but to some degree in presidential

years, tends to be older and whiter, since -- tends to be more affluent than the overall population. pollsters want to get it right, they try to weed out the folks who cast ballots but that does not come until later in the process. host: stephen shepard, the chief polling analyst for politico. florida, republican, go ahead. caller: my question is, why should we not vet the provincial candidates like trump and clinton when they are going to be the most powerful person in the world? why only the vice presidents? we have experience with president obama who was not vetted. it is important that we vet t rump on his tax returns. irony thate is some

donald trump has asked applicants to be his running mate to release tax return so they can scrutinize them and make sure there is nothing that could be embarrassing to the trunk campaign while he has not released his tax returns to the public. that is not what these do, they juste to have to give them to the donald trump campaign. the campaigns want to make sure there are no surprises with the people they named to the ticket. there are some striking examples in american history of people who were named to the vice president ticket who either had something embarrassing buried in 2008, or in the case of sarah palin who were not quite ready for the spotlight, and the campaign was not able to perceive how they would be tested during the course of the

two months leading up to election day. these campaigns are being very careful about that and it is up to the voters in the media to vet hillary clinton and donald trump. both candidates are getting an extraordinary amount of negative news coverage. voters have to process all this information and examine these candidates on their records as far as policy and their personal whom theynd decide want to be president. host: -- here is some of the results. when it comes to hillary clinton 27% say do not trust her. 12% said capable of being president. 60 percent said dislike him, 12% said a joke and

embarrassment. 12% said racist and bigoted. what do you get from these responses? guest: it gets to the perception that hillary clinton and her honesty andes are trust. donald trump's biggest problem is temperament, some of his views on racial minorities as expressed directly to this campaign. -- as expressed during his campaign. that is what drives the negative .mpressions of these candidates do point to what is behind. host: john in herndon, virginia. democrat. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i'm looking at 90% of

african-americans against donald trump. 80% of spanish people do not want donald trump. seven out of every 10 women want to vote for hillary clinton. this kind of negative, how do you think they can win elections? it is amazing to me that so many republicans are against him right now, no matter what kind of vice president nominee he brings. i don't think donald trump is qualified to be the president. i would like to ask one thing. the hillary clinton attack did not start yesterday, it started in 1976. imagine if someone is attacking you for all these years, saying

every -- very negative things about you. people will hate you regardless of what you are, because they keep repeating the same issues over and over. when barack obama and hillary clinton were running, republicans were saying a lot of good things about her and now they are saying bad things about her. that: the caller is right, the demographic breakdown that he laid out really is the challenge for donald trump, how do you win when you are losing 80% of nonwhite voters? mitt romney one about 60% of the white vote and still lost. as far as hillary clinton's and the attack she has faced in the past two decades or more, i think that points to sort of a

clue, u.s. me at the beginning, whether held a clinton could lead now and what would happen on election day. i think her image ratings are basically big dinner at this point. voters know her. she's basically been running for president for the past two years. those opinions are unlikely to change. we look at a test of that with the fbi directors statement, last week. i think most of that is baked in. trump is famous. his name is on all the buildings. in the political arena, he is still a new player. his numbers are more likely to change over the next four months than hillary clinton's are.

he has an opportunity to change it in a positive direction, picking a vice president and having this convention. the problem is, we have seen over the past three months, opportunity after opportunity have been squandered and his numbers have gotten worse. host: you've heard this before from a viewer on twitter, saying polls are naturally flawed because you do not know if someone is lying or under the influence. it is: it is -- guest: true that most of these calls are made in the evening, so under the influence is an interesting observation. it is possible people lie to pollsters. you would think that those things were all even out, out there are some interesting cases in history where paul respondents have not necessarily been truthful and the polls have been biased in one direction or the other. you can look at the 1982

california governors race for a textbook example of that. african-american running to be the first like governor and california lead in the polls by to themargin and lost republican candidate on election day. people said why were the polls wrong and one theory that is still it when a contention, not necessarily been proven beyond a doubt, one theory is that voters when they would call on the telephone toll told -- told pollsters that they would vote for tom bradley and on election day, these voters decided not to or always knew they were not going to vote for him. we thought that might happen in 2008 and it did not. performed about where his polls said he would. there is a theory put out by and donald trump supporters

donald trump himself, what they call the bradley effect. there is a theory that voters are going to vote for donald trump because he is so controversial but when they are called on the phone, they say they are not, but come election day, they actually will. in the primaries, we did not see that, he usually hit his numbers or even underachieved. we don't see of big difference right now between polls conducted with an automated phone system where you type your answers in and you are not talking to a person, or online where you have it in an enemy -- any --at animate ninity. for the poll that you

got up that are conducted, are these from landline phones or most of the guest: polls that we reference on the show, including the pew research poll -- pew research poll, they are at least 50% mobile phone. the pew research phone -- the pew research center is up to 75% of their polls completed on cell phones. -- big moveig the as americans shift away from landline's and subnet pollsters have had to grapple with. it is more expensive to call cell phones and they cannot call with the same technology. host: how do you -- do you have other questions? caller: how are you able to get

the list of mobile phone numbers when you don't have -- the previous process were you had a landline phone which you would have yellow pages are white pages or whatever. how do you obtain phone numbers whether they are democratic or republican or to -- or independent? guest: for most of these polls, the phone numbers are generated randomly by a computer, so they don't have to be a listed number order to be contacted. host: illinois, republican, go ahead. caller: i just want to bring to the forefront, a lot of people are talking about donald trump anding all these protests this and that, but i don't see the trump campaign or the republicans bussing in people to the democratic campaigns to be paid protesters to cause havoc. , there areestion is

-- back in 2008 and 2012, a lot of people could put the obama tockers and would not have worry about their cars being keyed or anything, but trump supporters cannot do that. they will not answer polls or they will lie, it is going to be a silent mode, is my guess. guest: that point the caller made is a part of it and i should have mentioned it when i talked about the idea that voters would say they will vote for one candidate and then vote for the other candidate. it is possible that these voters just aren't going to take the poll because when they are asked about the election, it will say we will want to ask your opinion and they would just pass on the pole. i use the word bias, but it is not intentional. it is not something pollsters want, they want to be right, ultimately on election day, but it is something that pollsters are conscious of, the idea that

there are folks who either do not want to participate in polls because of whom they're going to vote for or they will not say whom they are going to vote for. sometimes we hear the term internal polling. what does it mean and how does it differ? thet: these are poll of campaigns themselves are commissioning, they want to know certain things, particularly state-by-state survey can decide where to invest the resources. they want to know which attack lines are most effective. when hillary clinton talked about donald trump's failed businesses, that is something her campaign has gone out and tested and they thought was an effective attack. donald trump's campaign does not necessarily use polling data in the same way, but he does have a network of pollsters in the states to find out where the resources need to be put. once donald trump -- he is well behind in this and hillary

clinton has been advertising in the states and has hired more staff. her campaign is definitely ahead on those measures, but donald trump campaign moving out of the convention bully making some of those investments to the extent they can with limited fundraising, and they will use these polls to decide which states the need to focus on. they want to know where the states stand, and not just the ultimate topline number in virginia, they want to know which parts of virginia can we improve our numbers in the virginia beach area, tidewater, northern virginia, which is more affluent. maybe they feel like they have some opportunities down in coal country in virginia, which has been traditionally democratic but has voted increasingly republican in each presidential election. they will then decide how to allocate the resources. host: are they talking to likely voters, people who have supported the campaign?

guest: they don't just want to talk to supporters, they want to get a statistically likely measure. i mentioned how people are contacted randomly. campaign pollsters usually use a voter file, a list of voters to decide whom to call. they are able to reach out randomly to people they know already are -- they will restrict it to people who vote in one of the past two presidential elections. if you voted in 2008 or 2012, you will be part of their sampling, and they will randomly choose people based on that, but they don't just want to talk to supporters, they want a true measure of where the race stands and how the electorate deals about the candidate. host: justin in oklahoma, democrat. caller: good morning.

one of the things i wanted to comment and wanted people to think about as far as hillary clinton goes is that -- i am a democrat, but i don't plan on voting for anybody for the fact that i don't believe trump is a good candidate, and i don't think hillary is a good candidate. the reason that is is because of the many scandals going on with hillary regarding e-mail security, but it goes back much further. i used to like hillary, but there are tons and tons of issues as far as going with money, bringing in money -- money to the clinton foundation, taking money, and then taking money from the big operations, like bernie had been talking about. trying together all my thoughts,

-- trying to gather all of my voice -- all of my thoughts. they showed a cobalt -- a whole bunch of files that associated close ties to hillary and even wanted hillary to win the democratic nomination. with that said, with the dnc youing the show, how can tell us the votes are accurate? host: let's let the guest respond. guest: the first point i would make is that there are a lot of voters who feel the same way about the two candidates in november. they don't like either one. this raises questions about turnout, will we see decreased turnout because they are so unpopular or higher turnout because among certain groups who

are scared of one candidate or another, particularly racial --orities who have been largely disapprove of the trump,. potentially turning out in higher numbers. do we see folks who turn out and vote for third-party candidates steinary johnson or jill or some states will have another 10 candidates. ofy may siphon off votes people who are dissatisfied. event tomorrowhe in new hampshire, with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, an important event to bring bernie sanders supporters into the fold. thatxtent to which actually happens, there are folks that feel like the democratic primary was predetermined, the superdelegate system, even calling it a question the various state contest and the veracity of those folk counts.

there is no evidence to suggest that the vote counts were any way illegitimate, but there is that feeling out there among some people who participated in the democratic primary process and were on bernie sanders' side. overcoming that perception is key for hillary clinton and having bernie sanders at her side will be helpful. host: republican line, go ahead. caller: hello. that i believe in donald trump, that he tells it like it is, and he did not start all of this mess. obama started this a long time ago, dividing our country, and also hillary. she would do anything to get the black vote and the mexican vote and i am all for trump and that is who i am going to vote for. host: matt in arkansas, you are on.

my words might be a little convoluted. i wanted to comment about how hypocritical it is whenever people labeled trump as a bigot or racist, when with hillary clinton, for example, in the 1990's, she was a member of this one country club that was exclusive to whites and the only reason why she left it was because in your time reporters brought it up and how did her repeatedly about it. clintons wereboth from -- good friends with robert byrd, who voted against the civil rights act. only twose are examples, people need to examine a lot of the dirt behind clinton

and a lot of -- i mean that is pretty much all i have to say. host: i suppose if you have a long record, it follows you. guest: definitely. byrd, he late senator renounces membership when he was younger and talked about how it was one of his life greatest mistakes and went on to serve until his death. the electorate, you can sense it is divided by race, this year. it has been increasingly so over the past few elections and likely to the extent we have not seen before, particularly when you look at white voters without a college -- without a college degree.

donald trump wins them by about a two to 31 -- two or three to one margin. when you look at hispanic voters, it could be 8020. it is really striking and particularly, the elections and politics took a backseat last week with what we saw in seeing the deaths in minnesota and louisiana and dallas. they all speak to some of the same divide that we are seeing in the country. that is going to follow us for the next four months, just because these incidents may fade away with time and hopefully not just in the next four months, but hopefully there will not be incidents on both sides, these divisions are still going to follow us and that will be something that while interesting

to watch, it can be upsetting that the country is so divided. host: when a poll is taken, you mentioned people in college degrees, is there a baseline established at how closely a person is following this --itical campaign is to mark campaign? guest: that is something pollsters look at. , and this is counterintuitive when you talk about how likely these candidates are, voters say they are paying more attention to this campaign than in the past lastign and you look at campaign was generated so much interest, you look back to the 1990's, very few voters said they were paying attention. voters are really interested in this election, despite the fact that they really dislike both hillary clinton and donald trump. host: georgia, democrat line.

caller: i just had a comment. i think the country should put a time limit, like six months or possibly three months on elections in this country, and that way maybe we can put the polling industry out of business. we don't need a polling industry in this country. if we could limit the elections, we could put them out of business. host: why do you think it is important to put them out of business? he says some people say, they say. he is not talking about specific things. who is saying what? is the polling industry viewed negatively? guest: i think part of that comes from a basic trend over the past 20 years with americans

byng disturbed at home telemarketers and other phone calls, something that did not happen in the 70's and 80's. that the do not call registry was a reaction, and a lot of people complained it does not work and they still get called. pollsters are doing legitimate research. i think for society, it is important to know how americans do about the issues, how the ill about the government, how they feel about the way things are going in the country. to do research on american's health behaviors and this is --ff the government study commercial pollsters like gallup and others conduct that research for private clients. there are other countries that experiment with this shortened campaign, it does feel like that's the campaign

here is permanent, and you will see that, no matter who wins. by early 2017, we will talk about candidates and the other party lining up and positioning themselves to run for president and by early 2019, they will be declared and we will be doing this all over again. a lot of americans, even though they are paying attention, they want a break from politics sometimes. host: is there a place for internet-based polling? americans have internet access at home, now. there are some issues, the 10% that do not are very different, they are a lot older and a lot poorer, so that is a big obstacle to making that universal. more expensive, as people give up their landline phones people -- people are less likely to answer the phone.

internet poll become more valuable, and i think we are seeing over the long-term, and moving in that direction. right now, there is a war between these people doing these polls on the internet and people still doing them on the phone. will have to see if one methodology is more accurate than the other, that is something we will be studying as we move forward. what is driving them, are you have elected to give a certain answer if you are online. these are things that have to be studied. right now, we are at a time where things are moving in the direction of online, but we are not all the way there. host: stephen shepherd with politico, the chief polling , talking about campaign polling for 2016, thank you for your time. coming up, we particularly at the issue of information and the

government, how transparent it is to the public. this is in light of the other clinton controversy with her private e-mail servers. joining us next to discuss that and the larger issue of transparency is the sunlight foundation's john one alike -- john wonderlich. ♪ >> could five g mobile connectivity be around the corner? sec tom wheel -- fcc chair tom wheeler says we must lead the world to develop it. tonight, enter indications executive talks about 5g and what means for the u.s.

she will also discuss why 5g is needed for the internet, and the expansion of virtual reality she is joined by communications daily executive senior. >> the goal is to say we have the spectrum, we have the vision about where we want to go with wireless, and we are going to push ahead to ensure that the u.s. maintains its global leadership, and that is terrific for our country. , it is essential because this is one of those areas where u.s. global leadership has yielded tremendous benefits, economically, from a technological perspective and from a jobs perspective. >> watch the communicators tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> washington journal continues. host: joining us now, john wonderlich to talk about the issue of transparency.

a lot of that came in to play with the issue of hillary clinton's e-mail server. what did we learn about government information and how transparent it is? guest: it has been an unusual year in public discussion records management is such a huge issue that becomes part of public debate. we learned there were serious failures on her part, to manage information in the way that it is intended to be managed. there is also at a -- also a variety of investigations and public interest in correcting and obviously a great deal of political interest in sorting out who is at fault. the phrases we heard out of this situation was the freedom of information act. guest: the freedom of information act is a law that gives anyone in the world the right and ability to request

documents from the government, and in the government is obliged to hand over those documents. it does not mean we will release secrets or cause harm, that it gives a great deal of power to any requester. if the government does not turn it over, not only do we have the right to request it, that we can sue. -- but we can soon. that is -- we can sue. that is responsible for a much more empowered press and lots of things we know only because there are people looking out for us and requesting documents so they can be analyzed. host: does not matter where that document lives. does it matter where a document lives? a question was considered by the courts in the last week or so and it was decided that even if the information on a public official is managed in a private account, the freedom of information act

should still apply. if you're trying to keep things secret or manage them on your own personal server, it does not matter, the government has an obligation to release records. host: why did things you wrote about this from the record -- fbi recommendation. it reinforces a sense that trying to avoid the information act is wrong, but not illegal, weakening the idea that records should be managed in a way that upholds public access. guest: one of the things that has frustrated people is when the fbi announced that they are not recommending prosecution, that it offends people because they have a sense that secretary clinton was trying to hide something. she probably set up an e-mail server in order to prevent either public access to her records or congressional oversight of what she was doing. notproblem is that is

illegal, and i'm not sure that it is possible to make it illegal. it is normal in washington to set up a meeting with someone and say let's take this off of e-mail because there is a greater sense of discretion or personal interaction. sometimes, people do that because they do not want a record of what they said, and that is not really an enforceable decision, that is very difficult. it is difficult to regulate speech in a way that says this must be written down in a way that the record can be tested, that is what we are getting at, is secretary clinton demonstrates it is difficult to have requirements for interactions in a way that they are subject to oversight. host: what would have to be done to make it illegal? is it something that has to change with the rules of government or elsewhere? guest: the term illegal is difficult to use because there

is an affirmative requirement that cabinet secretaries and government officials do their business in a way that is professionally managed, where the records are saved appropriately, and managed in a way that they are preserved. the problem is that over the last couple of decades, a electronic records -- every government agency does a terrible job of this, so if you set it easy illegal if your records are not properly saved, and everyone is breaking the law and that does not help the situation. that is not even getting to the legal question that was really at stake in the fbi investigation, which was the handling of classified information. there is a much higher standard how -- how data is managed. democrats, 748-8000 (202) 748-8001 for republicans.

(202) 748-8002 for independents. missouri, independent line, go ahead. caller: i just don't have any confidence in the system. host: would you share that sentiment? guest: i think a lot of americans sure that sentiment and it has been reinforced in alling, that americans have decreasing sense of trust in their government and it is a problem that has been getting worse. howpplies to congress and the government is managed and it reflects a lot of different shifts that are going on in our society is managed. host: larry, democrat line, california. caller: i think the reason that

people don't trust the government anymore is because we let 9/11 happen. it was a 401(k) investment in the proof is in iraq. host: june from virginia, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. when it comes to transparency in government, this is the least transparent government we have had in all the years i can think back. i think the political correctness is what keeps the transparency the way it is. it needs to change, and that is the reason i support donald trump. i really think there will be change. he has a big mouth and a big mouth that stands up and says

he ise takes, they think a loose cannon and i think he is a smart cookie. -- i: on the question of assume you are talking about the , it isdministration something that is up for debate and i think my estimation would be that -- they have been far more transparent in many important ways and in some important ways they have been far less transparent. one thing that is clear about the obama administration is that they have repeatedly committed to openness and made it a part of their platform both at home and around the world, trying to push the idea of stronger government and accountability that includes transparency, and that is something that despite all the points of criticism, something we should not take for granted. have they been far more and far less transparent? transparent, more

the first few laws that were passed dealing with the financial crisis and the stimulus, the white house and this is an example they will -- they don't talk about lot -- a lot, all the lobbying have to be disclosed on agency websites, and this meant that as those really important laws for being implemented, we had a strong window into the lobbying that was happening to influence with the government was doing, and that is an action they don't get enough credit for. on far less transparent, the question of drone strikes is a intty dramatic question civilian casualties, and that is one where the administration has been very secretive and one of the reasons that was less transparent is that it's not even exist in previous administrations. like to think of transparency is being proportional to power. when a president claims or get access to a new kind of power,

the net certainly raises questions about how transparency is being wielded. host: who are the people within the administration responsible for making sure the information isand becomes transparent -- seen and becomes transparent? is whenne important way information is being preserved for the historical record, the national archives which is an independent agency, is responsible for setting regulations that say if it is an e-mail and you are a mid-level official, it should be saved for a certain period of time unless it pertains to a certain situation. you can imagine how complicated that gets. they are responsible for maintaining records, and then the freedom of information act, when someone requests information, that goes to a freedom of information officer, and they follow regulations and

guidelines that are set by the department of justice. information policy can be a tricky question with something as large as cup that and complicated as the entire u.s. government. host: oklahoma, democrat line. caller: i have a question about testimonyrector's about the e-mail. i would like to ask you to comment about his decision on , i think hillary waston, when she said she allowed, i think she was referring to at that time, the state secretary of basically doing the same thing one of them has a book out about it.

on the second part, secretary clinton's claim that she was allowed to use the e-mail, i don't member that being a defense that was offered in good faith. she was allowed in the sense that no one stopped her, but i don't get was permitted or encouraged by any means, not something that she sought out permission to do, so i don't think that defense was a very strong one. the fbiuestion of directors testimony and the fbi's decision to not prosecute, there is a number of different layers which are complicated, but one is, when the fbi director said the case history says that no one else were very few others would prosecute, to the traditions when you look at the statute and chosen in which they are

to be prosecuted, the prosecution is around cases where there is an additional layer, of some kind of intent and secretary clinton did not demonstrate that. the intent she demonstrated was to avoid oversight and that is very different from intending to be a spy or intending to whatever else. in terms of tradition, the recommendation is accurate. in terms of its consequences, that is why we are concerned about what that means for the teacher of oversight and the freedom of information act. host: independent, florida, minnie. caller: my concern is that i don't feel like there is any transparency, which is why i am independent. in reference to the fbi, he did not exonerate her, what he said was in the history of america, there is no statute or precedent

to prosecute political and in, because no one has ever done what she did. that is the reason he recommended no prosecution, because there is no history of it. as referenced to transparency, i would personally like to know where she and obama were in reference to benghazi. i wanted to make another comment in reference to polling. i have been pulled and the gentleman had said something about the questions and it is proven correct -- it is true because some of the questions i got were easy, black or white but i did not like either of them so i said i did not want to make any comment. host: we appreciate it, but that was from the last edmund. -- from the last segment. it was very unusual, the fbi investigation, declining to

prosecute and then having a press conference about someone's intentions. it is not mean it is a terrible thing. part of the situation as we are talking about a major party's presumptive nominee for president, and that person will then be responsible for the department of justice, which the fbi is a part of. is a very strong reason that the fbi needs to make it understood why they would make such a decision. it is an extraordinary situation were oversight is coming from a body that will eventually be overseen, assuming secretary clinton were to win the presidency, and she would be responsible for the doj, so the circularity is one of the reasons i think director tony -- arector comey said this is professional decision made by a team of people participating in good faith, so we can have faith

in the even application of justice. twitter, of is often a give and take about whether or not classified information should be disclosed and for how long it should because if i'd. i think a tug-of-war over the question is entirely appropriate is without public pressure on secrecy and classification, public officials would just classify anything they don't want to have -- that they would like to keep secret, that is why we have a rules and process for what it is -- for determining whether something should be classified and as long as we are not releasing secrets, we don't really have a problem of freedom of information requests. that is not where harmful leaks have come from, we are on solid ground defending the idea that

there are lawful fights over secrecy. are tax withts -- it -- texts within the administration open? guest: if it is an official record being used in correspondence, yes, it is covered by the freedom of information act. with members of congress, they are exempt. host: why is that different? guest: congress declined to apply to themselves which is something that happens often in the states as well, in each state. some of the legislatures have a freedom of information act, or a state level version of the law, applied to them and some do not. that is a question for debate, whether congress should have the freedom of information act apply to them. certainly, it should at least at

some levels. it would be a great public policy action to determine what parts of congress would be better off with it apply to them. host: no matter who is in control of the chamber, they generally say they will not apply it to themselves. guest: not even a matter of their preference, the law says this covers the agencies at a certain level and congress is not touched by this. you can try to request it, but you cannot sue. there is no jurisdiction. bigpresident is the other out, which is understandable, but there may be other ways of dealing with that problem. that is the limitation. founder of the sunlight foundation, joining us to talk to us about transparency in the government. our is in kansas -- our next line is in kansas. caller: hillary lied four times

and that is a felony, how come she is not prosecuted. also, her husband lined a -- her husband live a couple of times and was never prosecuted. how can we trust these people if they are going to live? is going toin, it be hillary, obama and bill in the white house all over again. guest: one of the fbi director j k comments before congress, you can see the director answering a lot of questions. he said that they did not see any evidence of her lying to them, and that it would be illegal if she were to have lied to the fbi while being questioned. on the broader question of politicians telling the truth, it is frustrating when they lied to the public, but making the illegal would probably cause an even greater problem because

everyone would be trying to prosecute her enemies and that would cause more chaos than it would prevent. host: democrats line, helen, good morning. caller: my question is about the sunlight foundation. does your group look at so-called shadow government, specifically regarding it contracts with private business? it has been years since i was a federal worker, but my experience with i.t. was that it was a boondoggle after a boondoggle and it was a tremendous waste of taxpayer money, spent on incompetent private contractors who never seemed to be able to get things right. i'm wondering if you could hasent on what impact this on the current sense of trust among public officials, regarding -- i would say the failures

are just as bad or worse in terms of government contracting i.t. the recordsov and line were both expensive. massive failures, but what is changing is that there are a number of people that identified fixable problems with the contracting system. if you look at the u.s. digital service. these are new, government led groups of people that are trying to change the way the government buys technology and change the way the way -- change the way government builds technology. we went to the moon, so we -- in terms of procuring i.t., it has been a terrible failure, but i would encourage you to look up usdf

and see these incredible changes. people are making it possible to have government contract for a $500 project within i.t. trying to change how the system works and prevent these billion dollar 10 year failures. host: john from pennsylvania, democrat line. caller: thanks for c-span. transparency in government is obviously essential to have a role in warm electorate -- to have a well informed electorate. this gentleman sounds like he is right as well, but open secrets.org with campaign contributions.

these people are not making large domain -- large donations for no reason. guest who recently published a book. "war on cops." heather mcdonald. she is a scholar. astonishing stuff. really good. is using fbi statistics readily available, but difficult to interpret. just anybody who is interested would benefit an enormous amount by reading heather mcdonald. city journalr the out of new york. she is a scholar. thank you. how often do organizations depend on a request to get information to spread to the public? to finde use it often

out the number of requests and how are you dealing with them? of organizations that break original news do so because they have people who understand the freedom of information act. that really demands the government's attention. request undere a likelihood i the will get the information i want? should take a maximum of 20 days. the problem is, that is rarely the case. you are likely to get a request if your request is narrow. i would like the calendar for this day two years ago. every e-mail that someone sent about the calendar, that is going to be a massive request and maybe unanswerable.

the more narrow the request, the more likely you will get a response. it also depends on the agency. the cia generally takes the position it should not apply to them, so they tend to fight everything. every agency has a backlog. one of the goals, the agency sat with the agencies to reduce their backlog. generallyeen successful with some outliers. tim, you are on. caller: thank you. a couple of things. between the press that is so polarized on the political -- i wonder how you thisork between to see

holder-lynch, the way they clintons.e like the the irs is a joke to the american people. about apathy. it is easy to look at this justice department and the obama administration and you cannot credit other than being able to polarize this country. donald trump has raised the issues of political correctness. you can see this infusion of life and energy, not the lobbyists in k street. msnbc is sitting on one side, fox sitting on the other side. you get the opinions that are overrun with everybody's agenda. is easy to get

frustrated and to find bad news. trust in government has decreased. polarization has increased. it is helpful to keep in mind how bad things can get. is the questions of party going in a healthy direction. we don't have presidents who assume office and throw the previous president and their staff in prison. it is, to throw the leader of the opposition in jail for fake charges. there are a lot of reasons to be frustrated or concerned. process, theitical

parties fail and have their problems, but it is not a fight between the military and the church. example fromer around the world. host: mike is from ohio. caller: people talk about hillary clinton lying and barack obama. onre was a show that aired bbs, the secret history of isis. listenedopped when i to this program. -- the lies they came out of the bush administration all the way to cheney, george bush, condoleezza rice, condoleezza rice -- colin powell lied to the people of the united states and the world. in great britain.

they released their iraq report. i talked to them over the weekend. they said it was pretty amazing the people in great britain point their finger at the united states because they lied to us about the intelligence that was given to them. intelligence reports that were changed. exposed valerie and her husband because they said there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. i followed that closely. there is also the torture report

, which there has been a great deal of whether it would be released. it is a matter of public policy. bere is harm that could caused if it were exposed. it is going to be a contested question. host: what does it mean for the government as they tried to make it transparent? have access to

has grown dramatically. everyone has the experience and expects the government to live up to it. records are everywhere. it reflects every data point reflected. this is a growing problem. city council was using encrypted communication channels.

host: dotty, hello. my question has to do with hillary clinton. i had been hearing about when she was secretary of state that they were burning information at the md of every day. do you know anything about that? i saw about the calendars being burned, but not much beyond that. caller: my question is for your guest. how did he come to the conclusion that hillary clinton did not lie, specifically which

depicted her lying under oath? guest: the director stated that they did not have evidence that evidence.n her and there are any other number contents. a lot of the public statements have been misleading about the affair. is clear the claim she made were misleading. the supreme court handed out a decision taking a look at robert mcdonald. revisit the case for us and what does it mean when it comes to how corruption is prosecuted and

information with the trials and process. the former governor of virginia was convicted on corruption charges. what is at stake here is if that has business with the government gives anything of value to a public official in the public official does quo, atg, a quid pro and point is a corrupt act at what point is a criminal? the court says that has to be an official act to be criminal. the act has to be concrete. it cannot be setting up a meeting, because that happens all the time. politics,n was that

the worry is they made it difficult to track down criminals in politics. , it is and outs something people will have to take a hard look at. election lawyers are having fights over what it means and where the line should be drawn. it is not an easy line to draw. look at russia. corruption. you cannot say anything that looks corrupt we can prosecute it. to narrow and a bunch of things anybody would constitutes corruption. can we draw a reasonable line around what constitutes public

corruption. host: unanimous in this case was the decision. does that surprise you? guest: it did surprise me. bit, butme worry a court itself operates on dialogue. you don't feel like you can be as corrupted. a legislator, whose job it is to represent a few hundred thousand constituents, we have to worry more about a legislator or a governor, the kind of power a governor has. host: matthew, rossville, georgia. caller: good morning. i was in the navy in the 70's

and 80's. thessian troller followed ships around and went gather up the trash and try to get information off of that. today, they try to get information in different ways. we need to guard our information. had, there is military information i believe the public does not need to know. it spilled over to covering people who were taking money, lying about each other. i wondered what person in our government was responsible for thisg the divide between

stuff needs to be transparent in this stuff needs to be secret and not let anybody know it. group ison or responsible for making that divide. best: a lot of lines need to drawn. it is about preservation and it is the job of the national archives. under the law, what needs to be disclosed as it happens. that is something congress or the committees are responsible for determining.

another level agencies in the have the powerh to choose what to release and what not to. oftens something that happens, where they are determining what to release and what not to. submits a foia request and they have to determine where there is harm and where there is not. make sure secrets are appropriately guarded. they can order something to disclose. pushing for exposure. there are a lot of different factions pushing for their various sides.

caller: thank you for taking my call. people around the world can access the freedom of information act. i am thinking of china doing that, russia, isis. is that possible for these people to do that and get information on whoever they wanted to use for their it. benefit? for their it is possible. i am not sure it has happened. adon't know any story where foreign intelligence the -- foreign intelligence agency used a foia to do that. think. pretty rare i

informationom of act with strong, we would have to worry about that. because it is able to be managed and because requests are reviewed, i don't think there is a risk of that happening. foreign powers will be more likely to hack into things then publicly submit a request for what they want. guest: tim, nebraska. want to ask a question. going to theon court system, my question is -- wantould she be going to to be in the presidency? would she be able to run? would she have to go through court?

how is that possible? guest: nothing prevents her from --ng able to run it she were the thing that would prevent it is politics. in legal peril, the party would need to make a determination whether that is some ain't they want to continue with or not. that is part of last week at's news. any real risk of prosecution appears to be off the table and advanced the democrat convention. that is part of why it is a concerning situation. any time a senior politician is they'revestigation supposed to be a separation. we have art of why system of checks and balances, to make sure it is not one in charge of everyone else.

if the president could fire every judge, we would be in a mess. -- : the campaign has included a lot of things about openness. donald trump has stories every week that pertain to this. as the question of the tax returns he has refused to disclose and congress is considering legislation that would require it being disclosed. for secretary clinton, it is foia. -- for secretary clinton, it is the e-mails. we have to wonder what extent there is a vision for openness in the government. land, this was a major theme on both sides. the government should be open and moving beyond what everyone felt was secretive bush years.

it remains to be seen whether the presidential campaigns have a theme of openness. host: thank you for coming on to talk about this. question onat the whether you think there is an anti-police culture that stems from events last week. two lines you can call us and give us your thoughts. if you are a member of law enforcement, (202) 748-8000. all others, (202) 748-8001. your thoughts on if there is nti-police culture in the u.s. we will take your questions and the responses when "washington journal" continues. could five g mobile connectivity be around the

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statements made about president -- i do think the president has contributed to a climate where these things can happen. this president and his administration do not have our back and make our jobs dangerous. i think he has been saying and doing the right things, adding the president sought his comments to address issues

officers, enforcement as well as communities angry with police. your thoughts on if there is an anti-police culture. tucker, hello. what do you think? the lackhis stems from of -- people do not respect the positions of authority. it starts with respecting authority. .hat is what we have lost police are authority, we don't respect them. people not respecting authority. that is the bottom line to the deal. host: here is betty. the gentleman that

called his rights. people -- people don't like authority. they never have. to wonder if a person, apolice officer puts away jaunt driver, how many lives do you think were saved, whether it be black, white, or any other color? when another officer locks up a , the fire department locks up and arsonists, how many people do you think they have saved? everywhere.u if you are not doing anything wrong, you should not have anything to worry about. the police are not out there. they prevent crime.

how many people throwing bottles and everything else, how many of their in-laws and their brothers , may beers were saved one of those drunk drivers could have killed their son or daughter. the dallas morning news, moving forward is the headline. loved ones reach out. if you go to the times reporter moref ohio, their story, people packing. concealed carry gun permits soar. this is the virginian pilot. videos nor folk police shooting suspect. a video of offer shooting and killing a man in june can be withheld forever thanks to state law. that gives you a sample of headlines from around the

country. culture an anti-police in the u.s.? jeh johnson talking about the obama administration yesterday, it's response and assistance. here is part of the statement on the sunday's shows yesterday. we have enhanced our local and state law-enforcement to share information about what we see on a federal level to our grantmaking activity. we do a lot to support the efforts of the local police in terms of surveillance, communication, first responder, equipment to protect their safety, their lives. we are working with state and local law enforcement every day. at a time like this, it is our

administration standing with the police department and law enforcement to say we mourn the loss of five brave heroes in dallas and we are going to keep working together. it is critical for the public to tow the police are there protect and serve our community. that is what they do every day. gaugetions of a few doing and excessive force are not reflective of the law-enforcement community at large, who every day protects the public. host: diana, halifax, pennsylvania. caller: [indiscernible] a police officer has the most difficult job of anybody i know of.

just like all cultures, there are some that should not be there. not well trained, whatever. whole, a lot do a good job. i think there is mentality building in this country over the shootings. each one needs to be instead ofd immediately assuming something was done wrong by the police. thank you. host: celeb, california. philip, california. caller: a thin blue line needs to be addressed where a police

officer will back another police officer, even if he is wrong. that runs contrary to his sworn position and the constitution. penal code, health & safety is the basis for a lot of trouble in law enforcement. to excess,who goes breaks rules, is not dealt with by other officers. there needs to be a periodic debriefing. there should also be a national academy for people to go for years like they do at west point. it would break up the thin blue line. that line is stronger than the , health & safety

code, the penal code, and the sworn position the officer holds. host: were you in law enforcement? long beach. i was a policeman in the military. host: these are things you have seen during your course of service? absolutely. if you don't back up another officer, you can be ostracized. if you have experience with law enforcement currently or formerly, (202) 748-8000. congress back this week, about to go on their august recess. as far as workload is concerned, what is facing them, the

washington post saying republicans are debating how long a stopgap spending bill they are going to need before the end of the fiscal year. some conservatives are pushing for a bill known as a continuing resolution that will last six months. a continuing resolution generally funds the government at current spending levels and includes few policy provisions. other republicans said congress should not leave this year without completing its spending work. the next president will have enough to do without having to worry about a budget fight after taking office.

, phoenix, arizona. caller: there is no war on cops. proponentsare worthy of surveillance. when they pull you over, there is a camera looking at you. they don't like to be on camera themselves. that is what they know. any mistake then -- any mistake they may, it will because on film. i am in trucking. is a mistake. in trucking, you get fired for make mistakes. those guys are concerned for their jobs. the are the ones that were proponent of the camera, watching the suspect. now they are being treated like the suspect, they are not hip on it. host: jane, olympia, washington. law-enforcement activity

is complex. if you are trying to make a quick arrest under a stressful situation, i don't think the public emphasizes with the complexity of how much demand is put on society by that. had i not known of that history, i would be mystified by why is it that people might get shot if pull a gun, no matter their color. there might be present -- prejudicial issues. that might occur when law enforcement people are acting. whoe is a group of people don't understand the role of boundary setting and they think,

in our society, why the need for setting limits on bad behavior is important. host: fox news reports paul ryan will have time to speak at the republican national convention, saying he told the publication -- i want to talk about our ideas, solutions, and how our parties should unite among common principles and how we apply those principles to, and problems. the contrast between republican ideas and four more years of obama-like policies and the need for conservatives to unite around republican candidates in advance of a critical election.

we just this will be hashed out starting today. you can watch the process live at 2:00 this afternoon. look for it on c-span 3. thomas.ohio, it is crazy. i have been watching the news. i wish people would call this out. i voted for president obama. i don't think i am a racist. as many have twice white people killed and shot so where are we, getting off with the black lives matter? i think that is a racist group. 500 something deaths to 200 something 70 of them have been

white people. this started with michael brown. sorry, he should have been shot and killed by the store owner. this is crazy. we have to try to get along somehow. i walked around walmart here the other day and i bumped into a black lady and i said excuse me and she said there is no excuse for white people. i don't know what is going on in this country. i remember the late 1960's, when my dad went to work and handed me a shotgun. i was 13. he said if someone comes in the door, shoot them. i hope the news people call out for black lives matter and tell them there have been twice as many white people shot. if you go to the website,

there is a video of the arrest that was shot during his arrest in before he was taken to prison. that is on the post website. on this program last week to talk about issues stemming from the shootings that took place in the two states, but police officers involved as well. that interview is available. the black lives matter from last week. >> i have been listening to these people calling in. they have tunnel vision of their

own way of seeing things. they don't look at the broad picture. there are people being affected by some of the actions of some .f these police officers racism is rampant. they don't want to address those race issues. how it affects people. they are always trying to find someone to blame it on, like obama. listed people's spirits in the darkness and shadows. you have someone always trying to knock people back down. address the real issue, these politicians who are supposed to have common sense

and the smarts. why don't they start the -- why don't they solve the problem? there are a lot of corrupt police officers. there are good ones, too. lot that our air again and nasty and dangerous. people are afraid. host: we will hear from thomas. isler: i don't believe there anti-police culture. one individual had said the thin blue line.

you don't have a lot of policeman calling out other bad policeman. if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. cannot use this one bad apple mentality when no one is trying to pick the bad apple out of the barrel. these police -- cers need to host: the problem is the lack of arrest. ruth bader ginsberg talks about the prospect of her career and justice ginsburg

would not leave her job as long as she can do it full steam. anthony kennedy and stephen breyer are no longer young. kennedy is about to turn 80. prior is going to terms of an ea. she prayed, saying he -- she praised the justice, saying he did it quite well. let's hear from benny, stockton, california. caller: i think there is a thatre of policeman doesn't care about black lives. -- black lives.

we really do matter. i saw on tv, police are shooting a black man running away in the back. michael vick got two years in jail because he mistreated a dog. arewhite police officers not getting convicted. is always the shootings were justifiable. it doesn't matter what the circumstances were. we are recessing back to those days. police officer should be

convicted if he has done a crime. way it is now, you can kill a black man and you get a medal. it is not fair. , vallejo, california. i am watching the show. the first thing i would like to all blacks, hispanics and native american indian people here in america, i would like to warn them and tell them to go to the bible and read your bible. isupk, the hebrew israelites, and they will tell you how everything is going today. that is happening today is just bible prophecy. host: salt lake city, utah.

you are next. it is not a matter of the color of the skin. let me tell you my story. it happened 25 years ago. in burbank, california. i had a conflict with a truck driver. up, broken nose, broken job, i called the police. the police should we are going to take both of you to jail. i said no thank you. i give up. i moved here. it is much better for me. spanish, if you need an officer and he comes, you think he is going to treat you whosey he looks a person grandfather and father was born here, it is not that one.

of theot the matter color of the skin. it is the matter of the mind of the people. some of them, you cannot ignore that one. two gentleman's, some of them are so lovely. people -- it is better to think how we are going to solve the problem, not just to say he is lack, we are going to say black lives matter because they are fed up. let's hear from ricky, louisiana. what do you do?

caller: i am a police officer, active. there is a blue, thin line. once you cross it, you are a criminal. officers,w police there are a majority of police officers out there doing their jobs the best they can. we need to take a break. we need to deescalate everything. that is the key thing. crisis intervention and prevention. de-escalation, whether at a --.fic stop or we need to think before we act. we are not thinking before we act. small things can become a very dangerous situation, like the incidence we had last week.

you are doing a fantastic job with these calls. is there an anti-police culture? if you are current or former law enforcement, (202) 748-8000. all others, (202) 748-8001. the unitedporting states will deploy 560 troops to iraq. ash carter made the announcement, saying troops will deploy for logistical support. ofqi forces recaptured most -- mossul from isis. that is from nbc news this morning. on the political campaign, story and the washington times taking

a look at a health care proposal by hillary clinton. being the wayion to go, saying that her plan, ben wolfgang reporting, the plan would develop a public option insurance plan in every state. we have more work to do to finish our alongside. the affordable care act has expanded coverage. i will make sure republicans never succeed in attempts to strip away care. the remaining should be able to get affordable coverage to stay healthy. to the washington there is a story about the indiana governor, mike pence. he is being looked at by the people about a possible vice presidential pick. no formal announcement made.

an event in indianapolis to take place. trumpoday, donald speaking in virginia beach, virginia. c-span2 at that on 1:00 this afternoon. oregon, good morning. anti-policee is an culture in our country in many areas. america is divided. there is a pro-police culture. you can hear people that support police as well. to doream media has a lot with our perceptions of how we view police and it polarizes thele towards one side or other. if a police used excessive violence all the time, that will polarize the nation.

how is anybody to know who the good cops are, the bad cops are, if you are being followed by police, approached by police. your mind is like -- is this a good cop or a dad cop. i see nothing but bad cops on tv. we are putting psychological space by our media to think this is how the police are, when in fact, most are trying to do their job and protect the public. good to get better training, especially psychological training. there is more tact when they get into difficult situations and that of a reactive -- i have to thisct myself by taking person down and shooting them. i was in boy scouts from the time i was seven years old. i could shoot someone in the foot from a large distance. why is every cop shooting

someone dead when they are trained to be able to shoot a target, if they are properly trained, they should be able to , take that person down. we developed this polarization. host: michigan, bob, hello. caller: thanks for that last caller. if the guy had complied with what the officer wanted in almost all of the cases, he would not have been shot. they have to argue. they have to fight. when i was growing up, the first thing i was taught is you obey.

no wonder they get shot. the idea of an anti-police culture, what do you think? caller: in the black culture, there sure is. host: dave, california. is an anti-police corruption culture. of all the people killed, there were 600 whites killed last year. the media goes on the blacks and never shows a white person being killed. there was a guy that was white being killed to death. black peopleting inciting a riot. you have to show both sides.

there is an anti-corrupt police culture. they are out of control. host: gary, kentucky, you're next. caller: the county i live in, there is no anti-police segments. i just wonder what it would be lie if in new york city or chicago, if every policeman in those cities called in and decided they are not going to work that day. what would happen to the city? i am a retired policeman, 30 years.

-- what wouldtand people do without the police. that doe policeman wrong. it is a fact. majority, a great majority of police officers are out there to help the community. they are not doing that job for the money, because it does not pay anything. you heard me talk about the republican national committee. the rules committee meeting this week, cnn has a writeup. this willer one, likely be the final chance for donald trump opponents to stop the billionaire. they will try to convince the committee to vote their

conscience and break from supporting donald trump. supporters say they will raise millions of dollars to hire a team of delegates. 28 to get what is called a minority report. toher plan would be needed be adopted by next week of the full convention. there is lead up. you can watch it on c-span. website for more information about events that take place in the lead up to the convention.

judy, haines city, florida. you are up next. say americant to needs to come together and stand up for our officers. what are we going to do when isis comes in here and we have no officers to take up for us. raleigh, that is where horace lives. good morning. caller: there is not an anti-police culture. there is an anti-corrupt police culture. i get tired of hearing people say you can train the police to do this or that. police are very well trained. see black police officer stopping a white man 48

taillight and get killed. you don't see police going into white neighborhoods, stopping and frisking everyone. there is not a lack of training. you cannot train racism out of a person. racism out of a person. before these people are given badges our uniforms, there should be psychological test done to these folks. you have people who have no business having a gun. they have bias are ready built in. in, so if you are already biased against me, giving you a badge and gun and a uniform, whenever you see me, regardless of what i am doing,

your bias will rise up. picture of what was known in washington, d.c. as the old post pavilion on pennsylvania avenue. it is being converted to the latest donald trump hotel. it is already offering a package for inauguration day. the half-million dollars will give inauguration day goers plenty of perks, including a catered dinner for 24 and round-the-clock car service. there is a limited marketing -- a limited market for the package. if hillary clinton takes the oath of office, but it's a clientele will be all but no. also in d.c., -- car service, shipping close to washington and back, delivering