lettingill talk about voters vote their conscience on the first ballot in election reforms. i understandma: how americans are feeling. i'm here to say that we must reject such despair. i'm here to insist that we are not as divided as we think. ♪ host: that was president obama at theay in dallas park memorial service for the five slain police officers on this "washington journal" for wednesday, july 13. we will start our program talking about the violence against police, asking you about the president's comment, "we are

not as divided as we seem." for democrats use 202-748-8000. for republicans use 202-748-8001 . for independents use 202-748-8002. you can also join in on the conversation via social media. ,ou can use our twitter page http://twitter.com/cspanwj. you can also chime in on our facebook page. here is the headline this morning from the dallas morning news. , we are not ast divided as we seem president obama insist. he hopes to ease the tension of a reckless nation. he spoke tuesday of an america where racial divisions were healing, and americans were increasingly united. thepoke in somber tones at

event there. thelso spoke about lingering problems over race, gun violence, and police relations. he referred to the recent memorials he attended in recent years. " that was again reported in the dallas morning news. openked all americans to our hearts to each other. i want to remind you, you can see all of this on our website .t www.c-span.org before the trip yesterday, the president had met with a number of leaders of police organizations. those meetings continue at the white house. here is a headline in the new york times. enforcement and activists will meet with president obama at the white house. they will see if he will quickly turn to the delegate balancing act of dealing with law-enforcement while addressing the act of violence -- the acts

of violence in the communities that they serve. he is meeting for his second session this week. it will be expanded to include mayors, academics, and civil rights activist. let's go now to our independents line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. my comment is that american is still -- america is still divided. ,n president kennedy's words the era of slavery is not fully over. it is still in effect today. you get a chance to see many of the president's comments yesterday? caller: i've been keeping up with it on the news. i voted for him twice, and i love than obama. i wish he would have come out stronger in his presidency. i wish he would have stood up more for dr. gates. i wish he would've said that i

am of the president of the united states, and i've a harvard law degree, and if the police act stupidly it is on you. that is one example. i want to hear the other callers. thank you for taking my call. host: here is another caller from our independent line. caller: good morning. take you for taking my call. i've a couple of comments to make. first of all, it is very appropriate that george bush joined obama on stage for this, because this dallas -- unlike this dollars shooting, 9/11 was just another staged, manufactured event. all these staged, manufactured events are just like 9/11 to allow this -- his government to invade the middle east. it is turning us into a orwellian police state. thank you. alabama, jimmy.

what you think of the president's comments? what hei thought about mentioned about how firearms are easier to get. he made a good speech. other than that, i knew they were going to get on him about that. host: here is the front page this morning of the washington times and their take on the president's speech. there headline was that he defended the black lives matter movement, and he is receiving social media backlash for politicizing the event. defended the black lives matter movement on tuesday at a memorial for the five dallas slain police officers. saying that pitted -- bigotry still exist in police departments across the u.s.,

while speaking at a memorial for slain police officers. quote, "we have all seen this bigotry in our lives at some point." there is more about what the president had to say in divisions in the u.s.. the deepestama: faultlines in our democracy have been exposed, and perhaps widened. although we know such divisions are not new, they have surely been worse in recent days. that offers us little comfort. faced with this violence, we the gap ofder if race in america can ever be breached. -- bridged.

we turn on the tv or surf the watch positions harden and lines drawn. people retreat to their respective corners. politicians calculate how to grab attention or avoid the fallout. we see all this, and it is hard not to think that the center will not hold. that things will get worse. i understand. i understand how americans are feeling. that wei am here to say must reject such despair. i am here to insist that we are not as divided as we seem. i know that, because i know america. i know how far we have come against impossible odds.

[applause] president obama: i know we will make it, because of what i've experienced in my own life. what i've seen of this country and its people, their goodness and their decency as president of the united states. we are continuing with your reactions and thoughts on the president's comments. here is mike on our republican line. hello, mike. caller: high. -- hi. i just want to say, in talking with a lot of folks, we can get behind the black lives matter is hurting iswhat if they could say more something -- like liesife matter also."

it is all of us. host: you feel like the words that people are using in these movements is very important. said,: yes, as everyone words are important. a of my friends get upset on facebook if you are a black lives matter supporter, they say to unlike them -- unfriend them. i do not understand. i just think it would make a world of difference if they said also. ande is an issue out there, all lives matter, black lives also. host: to our democrats line next. janet, high there. .- hi there go ahead, you are on the air. i think president obama

wants everyone to be united, and he showed it. he is not a bit racist. he has a white vice president. he is fair with every race. cuba,wed when he went to the cubans all liked and respected him. they were glad to hear him talk. they like him -- i like him very well when he went and spoke at texas. he is not racist. he is for the people. he cares about everybody, and ,he other countries, and texas and the different races. everyone respects him. they respect him more than the republican congressmen do. all the republican congressmen

have been talking him down and criticizing him. they have not been respecting him as a president. .e are all sinners none of us are right. we should still respect the president of the united states. nobody has- god, shot him. i think of president kennedy. who did that? president lyndon johnson was in on it, because he wanted to be resident. that it was noted yesterday, the president flew down to dallas yesterday on air force one, and he invited texas senator ted cruz to attend the memorial service with him on air force one. the president is meeting at the

white house today on the issue of police violence and police shootings with police officials and mayors. pie is a please from lego -- says thepolitico that president will take part in a town hall meeting that will be broadcast on disney media properties on thursday evening. thoughts on the president's comments. we go to new jersey. this is jean on the independent line. caller: good morning. i am a disabled veteran and a senior citizen. i think the president could have stepped forward a bit earlier when he was in europe. in the past few days, i think he could've done much more about employment for young people. i am up in my years now, but i think they keep problem in our country is unemployment.

i would quickly like to add that i very much enjoyed the fbi e-mail hearings. i will be voting for donald trump. host: the meetings yesterday with the attorney general? caller: i saw both of them. i thought they were very informative. unfortunately, many of the questions were not answered. i think it is a double standard. host: appreciate that. just as a reminder, this is available on our website. we covered that hearing yesterday with the attorney general. the washington times about that. they circled the wagons around hillary clinton yesterday with attorney general loretta lynch not detailing why they decided not to pursue charges against the former secretary. the state department going to bat for her saying that she should not have to testify under

a about her secret e-mail account. next, we have rodney on the line. good morning. caller: good morning. i -- theing, because reason why i mentioned that is because i am part of an organization that is mainly white. organization,hat when i articulate my point of headsi see a lot of moving. i see that i am not so warmly welcomed. , in i go into the city notice when i articulate my i feel quite,

welcome. they do not even know me. when i,, i am welcome. what has happened quite often is called micro-aggression. experience know they a certain type of incident, -- at the same time, you want to keep in mind that there is something called white privilege. ,ven though you do not identify people still deserve the same right that you have. it is often sometimes that people ask why this happens, i just want to share something -- i had a law and ethics course. throughout the whole time i was onschool, i got all a's every paper. i wrote a paper on law and

ethics. this paper was my last, final paper. i got an 80 on it, because i was speaking about the injustice in haiti. i thought it was crazy that i nowd get all a's, and then the professor would give me an 80. host: did you talk about the subject anymore in any of your other work? caller: yes, i had talked about that subject. i also spoke about tiananmen square. as a matter of fact, my english in almost i wrote similar paper for him and he thought it was some very good writing. , because itf crazy was about racial divide in haiti. it was not accepted.

saying is that, every other paper i wrote in college was fine. but not when i touched on this particular subject. host: saying thank you for sharr comments with us. we have a couple of comments on twitter. again, you can share with us on http://twitter.com/cspanwj. this one from jan that says, "why should we talk about lack lives matter? who was protesting when the shooting happened?" theher comment saying that poster believes we are still very much divided. to our next caller. feelingi'm getting a about how divided our country is, and a lot of it is self-inflicted, because we have a lot of organizations with the

word black in front of them. we even have a black caucus in congress. if that does not serve to divide us, i do not know what does. having all these organizations, associations, and gatherings for black people is a wedge that continues to divide us. i think it is time we have meetings on that type of subject. you cannot force people to respect each other's race. it has to come naturally, and it has to be earned. people like to see these that are causing harm in the community, those that are raising all kinds of rockets on the streets, most of these young black guys are from broken families or illegitimate families. host: most of what guys?

most of the protesters? who are you talking about in particular? caller: the guys that are out there hitting the cops, that are out there looking to shoot or injured the police officers on the street. why do we not have the type of meetings addressing that kind of situation? that kind of person? atlanticarticle in the are no constitutional. it is an article on their front page. it looks at the protest in atlanta. mayors talk with protesters about the intentions on promises that fell short. a semi truck was that by protesters on the downtown connector overnight. about 1992 los angeles, the city bird that year in writing that followed the acquittal of four police officers charged with excessive force in the video beating up rodney king.

one of the victims on the first day of the riot was a truck tover, who was nearly beaten death on live television after being stopped by protesters. mayor reed made a decision to go into the crowd, as he watched the protesters shake and climb on top of the truck. this is again on the atlanta protest in the atlanta journal-constitution. we now go to fort worth texas, where randy is on our republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. as a black man, i am barack obamaby being the first black president of the united states of america. 2007-2008. him in i thought he was going to bring this country together. i am a republican, by the way. i thought this was history in the making. had ferguson, we had

baltimore, we had new york. everyone is talking about the minnesota incident. yesterday,n dallas when we had the memorial for the police, there was no police officer invited. all these dignitaries came to texas. it was a who's who list. yesterday, chance -- he dedicated the first 15 minutes of his speech and it was beautiful. he started talking about the race relationships and black lives matter. we do have a division here with race relations, and i hope we get somebody that can bring us together. i'm going to vote for donald trump. i think he is the answer. host: that was randy in fort worth, texas. president obama and michelle obama were joined by former president george w. bush and

former first lady laura bush on stage at that memorial in dallas. former president bush also spoke about divisions in america. this is what he had to say. bush: the shock of this people has not faded. at times, it seems like the forces pulling us a part art stronger than the forces binding us together. turns to easily into animosity. disagreement turns to easily -- dehe humanization. humanization. by theirother people worst examples, and we judge ourselves by our best intentions. [applause] bush: this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose trade americans, -- common purpose. americans, i think, have a great

understanding. we have never been held to gather by blood or background, we are bound by things of the spirit. shared commitments to common ideals. at our best, we practice empathy . we imagine ourselves in the lives and circumstances of others. this is the bridge across our nation's deepest divisions. it is not merely a matter of tolerance, of learning of the struggles and stories of our fellow citizens and finding our better selves in the process. host: former president george w. bush yesterday in dallas. all of that ceremony is online at www.c-span.org. we are talking about the divisions in america. president obama said in his speech, "we are not as divided as we seem." here is williamson, north carolina on the democrat line. caller: good morning.

i just want to say that every time i hear president obama bring up jim crow, it sets our country back years. it is so unfair. there have been a lot of people, like the police, that have come up and served their neighborhood . they have given their all, given their life. what else can you give for your country other than your life? , the social unrest in society -- we look to washington. they are supposed to be trustworthy and honest. hass so corrupt, and it been that way ever since the clintons got there. i mean, has it not? next in hear from paul

milwaukee on the democrats line. caller: hello. i think the big problem is the conservative talk media on fox, rush limbaugh. here is something that bothers me more than ever. on cnn, i caught the end of it, but what was stated was that women police -- you have hispanic, lacks, but the -- b lacks, but the only one killing african-americans are white males. that is something that needs to be addressed. is,main thing behind that they are getting away. it is really murder. host: how is the situation in milwaukee? what is the relationship like between police and the black immunity -- community?

caller: the police and milwaukee are not so bad. it is in the major cities that there's the problem. gary, indiana is a good example. the governors send the money to maryville, and they are building data. milwaukee is predominantly black, too. is not really known as a state that is predominantly black. i think the same thing is going on in minnesota. it puts a lot of fear in people. certain people, really white males, i think, they want to kind of hold the structure. we can all get along. there is enough for everybody if we share. host: talking about the divisions in the u.s. after the speech by president obama. his comments on the issue. 202-748-8000 four democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans.

.02-748-8002 for independents we are taking a broader look at the community of dallas this morning in the new york times. their headline is about creating close shall -- closer ties with the dallas police. they write this in the wake of that tragic shooting that left five please officers dead. this comes after a police chief has been under criticism. david brown took over the department and 2010, and excessive force complaints have dropped 64%. he has started de-escalation training and a successful community policing program. for all the progress that the dallas police have made, this remains one of the most segregated cities in the country. discriminatory

federal state and local policies blackiscriminated against populations and deeply poor populations south of interstate 30. it serves as a line of demarcation the between opportunity and poverty. citiesracts of the southern sector are empty and ragged. we have tommy on the independents line in hartford, connecticut. caller: i want to comment earlier about the caller that mentioned the black lives matter movement. no other race besides black men are being killed by white policeman. that is why it is black lives matter. is being treated as poorly. that is the difference. douglas in washington

state is next. he is on the republican line. welcome. caller: -- host: douglas, make sure you turn down your tv and your radio, then go ahead with your comment. is thatmy comment president obama and his speech today at the memorial, he mentioned a quote again from dr. martin luther king. people -- the young black people do need jobs. i wanted to mention that, number one. where is the new dr. martin luther king? where is the person who can speak and bring these people together? i do not necessarily agree with likewise matter, but they need somebody -- black lives matter, but they need somebody. present obama is not doing it. where is the person that can

come up and pull everybody together? bringing up something that was 50 years old now is not working. president obama continues his meetings at the white house today about police violence and violence against police. the headline the headline in "usa today" this morning. congress stalls on top issues , zika virusng guns and spending.

we want to let you know, on the issue of fighting the zika virus, the director of the cdc will be testifying this morning before a senate foreign relations subcommittee. that is coming up this afternoon. at 2:30n3 beginning p.m. eastern. jim on our democrats line. theer: i am appalled by performance yesterday in dallas. he blames everything on the white race. it is all about grievance. he spent his childhood at the foot of -- he associates with domestic terrorists from occupy -- occupy wall

street. he feeds this fire that causes violence. if you would tell the black community to make sure their children go to school, learn to speaking with properly, learn to , maybe they could make something out of their lives. this is an old problem, it is going to get worse. the cities will burn and the people in the suburbs will sit as the democrats are roasted on their own spit. host: tennessee. republican line is next. we hear from sandy. good morning. ander: yes, we are divided president obama helped to divide us. he jumped every single time there was a killing by a white

police officer against a black person. knew all then facts. black lives matter. let me tell you one thing. they are not a peaceful group. dead cops,can scream "that when do we want them? now." at the end of the day, it is going to be you against them. that is not a peaceful demonstration. i would like to address my people.american look at chicago. there's over 300 that have already been killed, murdered this year. black on black.

host: on the issue of high-profile police shootings, the new york times looking at 11 of those shootings going back to 2014, including the most recent castille.ndro whether the officers have been , indicted -- 11 have gone to a settlement. there have been five indictments so far. the only trials in the p freddie gray case in baltimore. a fairly extensive chart at n ytimes.com. north carolina, democrats line. good morning. burt, go ahead.

caller: i've been listening to the callers. mad -- i hear a lot of the same things coming through today that i heard back in 1968. a lot of the same comments, a lot of the same atmosphere. there is hate on the whiteside, hate on the black site. side, hate on the black side. white lives matter also. gay lives matter also. but everybody is interested in their own life and they don't want to extend any kind of understanding or peace to anybody else's life.

we are all going through this madness. i don't understand it. cops lives matter, also. everybody's life matters come also. what is wrong with people trying to understand that? host: the headline in "the washington times." law enforcement is buoyed by obama's speech. the speech made clear he had the concerns they aired a day earlier. [video clip] president obama: we also know what chief brown has said is true. that so much of the tensions between police departments and

minority communities they serve is because we asked the police to do too much and we ask too little of ourselves. [applause] president obama: as a society, we choose to under invest in decent schools. persist inverty to neighborhoods and offer no progress for employment. we refuse to offer drug treatment and mental health programs. flooded communities with so many guns that it is easier for

a teenager to buy a glock then get his hands on a computer or even a book. [applause] obama: and then we tell the police, do the social work. you are the parents, you are the teachers. you are the drug counselors. we tell them to keep those neighborhoods in check at all costs. do so without causing any political blowback or inconvenience. don't make a mistake that might disturb our own peace of mind. we feign surprise when periodically the tensions boil over. host: back to more of your calls and comments. rhode island come independent line. caller: good morning. two months ago, i was watching c-span, the house of

representatives. there was a congressman from one of the southern states come i don't recall if it was georgia or north carolina or south carolina. in his speech, he was referring -- he did not refer to it as a civil war or a war between the states. he called the conflict the war of yankee aggression. that's when i knew we were completely divided. you people should secede, because we have two nations here. it looks like we are never going to get along. bestresident is doing the he can't unite us that he can to unite us -- doing the best he can to unite us. you've got people in the country that will never see us as one

nation. endorsement sanders of hillary clinton yesterday. here is the headline in the "atlanta journal-constitution." here is what som bernie sanders had to say. [video clip] sanders: secondary clinton goes into the convention with 389 more pledged elegance test delegates than we have and a lot more superdelegates. pledged delegates than we have and a lot more superdelegates. secretary clinton has won the democratic nominating process. [applause] and i sanders:

congratulate her for that. [applause] sanders: she will be the democratic nominee for president . [applause] sanders: and i intend to do everything i can to make sure she will be the next president of the united states. host: all of that speech available at www.c-span.org. reaction to that speech from donald trump, a tweet after the announcement saying i'm somewhat that bernie sanders was not true to himself and his supporters. jill stein tweeted -- back to calls on president

obama's speech yesterday in dallas at the memorial service. sissy on the line for democrats in baltimore. caller: good morning. i am a senior person from baltimore, maryland. where the freddie gray trial is going on. callers agive a few history. black lives matter was started fearful forwho were their own lives, starting with eyvon margin,, tr on and on -- martin, on and on. it has evolved into a very serious movement. there is nothing wrong with saying "black lives matter," because they do. there was a woman years ago by holiday who wrote a

lynching of black people. the beating of rodney king, nobody went -- there's nobody sitting behind bars for that. that was shown on national and international tv. , this man, killings mr. gardner up in new york, that was shown on international tv. what in the world do you white people want from us? we've died enough and i'm a senior moment. i can understand why young people, children are now battling for their lives. and their lives do matter.

host: clinton, maryland. independent line. clinton, maryland. caller: i watched the speech yesterday and i have to say, i am really disappointed at some allers who seem to want to play the blame game. the whole intent of president bush and obama's speeches was to get people thinking outside the box. , do notdent bush said focus on the worst of anybody. -- don't intentions think your best intentions are the pie-in-the-sky. we have to open up our thinking. we might not agree with everyone, but we certainly cannot paint everybody with a broad brush and think that is the answer.

i don't think every white person is a racist. and i don't look at them as a racist. but it seems that some of these callers, they generalize that my are both educated, upper-class and we try to live in accordance with the values and norms of this country. to hear some of these callers that's my daughters are all successful, to hear these with a paint blacks broad brush, it is sickening. until they can open up their minds and realize that not all of us are of a certain dehumanized class or believe we thugs, until people can open up their hearts and minds, nothing will change. host: a couple thoughts on

twitter -- bobby on our republican line in petersburg, virginia. caller: good morning. first of all, i want to say this. i am a retired vet, i have a vcu in history. i'm totally in disagreement with obama. america has never been united, ever. intentions of any bringing africans to this country to be a part of the

american system. they brought us here to build the country for free. after it was over, there was no compensation. there's never been any apology whatsoever. there will never be any compensation, and there will never be any apology. there have been many people who have spoken up -- malcolm x., -- i will speak about marcus garvey real quick. marcus garvey has a view, pan africanism. we cannot be america. there is no way. why don't we just leave? they put him in prison. after they put him in prison, they deported him. -- why don't they go back to africa? we don't want black people to leave here.

people in america need to stop being in denial. host: thanks for your call. we will hear next from congressman peter welch from vermont, a bernie sanders superdelegate. we will talk about the endorsement of hillary clinton. , a trump bruce ash supporter. he is chairman of the party's standing rules committee. he will talk about the various stop trump efforts. more "washington journal" coming up here. ♪

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working with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. >> "washington journal" continues. host: congressman peter welch from vermont is not only a the democratic national convention, he is a superdelegate for senator sanders. senator sanders making his endorsement of hillary clinton yesterday. what did you think when that happened yesterday? >> bittersweet for vermonters. he got 86% of the vote. he ran such an extraordinary campaign. everybody thought it would be impossible for him to get any traction. he got over 12 million votes, raised over $200 million. and i think the hillary folks would acknowledge that bernie sanders's campaign had the biggest impact on the definition of the democratic platform. with his singular focus on

income inequality, trying to make the economy work for everyday people. he is supporting hillary clinton now. that was a hard decision, i think a much is because he did so well and came so close. but he is putting the country first. there is a lot of sadness because we are proud of bernie and how well he did. he did the right thing. i think he will be a huge factor in bringing the party together. host: what has senator sanders done in bringing you will board for hillary? guest: what he did yesterday when he gave that speech, he was speaking to all of us and making to case as to why it is time support and unify behind hillary clinton. we all admire his campaign and he is saying he is putting this what he is doing is taking by putting his arms around hillary clinton and saying she did win this race, we

have to win this election and be donald trump -- beat donald trump. there's a lot of disappointment for bernie sanders supporters, but a lot of disappointment for bernie as well. there's a lot of heartbreak and politics. -- in politics. we've got to win this race. host: congressman peter welch with us to talk democratic politics with bernie sanders endorsing hillary clinton. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 for republicans. independentsfor and all others. look back to the beginning of bernie sanders's campaign, how early were you on board? guest: i was watching the justign and i got on board

before the vermont primary on march 1 of this year. bernie sanders was electrifying the country with the effectiveness of his message about attacking income inequality. he was a different kind of candidate. his ability to bring in young , acrossnew people demographic lines, is very powerful. his message that he was delivering was very effective. we got into politics the same year. i've known him for years. vermonter let our have a shot. host: what do you think his candidacy will mean for the short-term? , 40nature of the party years down the road, how has he four years party --

down the road, how has he changed the party? we are about average americans, working every day to get ahead. the economic growth we've had in the past 20 years is largely concentrated in the top 1%. most americans who have been working hard have taken a pay cut in the past 10 years. when you adjust for inflation, people are going back, not moving forward. that did not happen without policy promoting those redistribution mechanisms that started making rich people richer and making it tough on anyone else. affordability of college, the cost of health care, the outsourcing of jobs, all of those things have been happening and have been very punishing. them forcefully and directly. , couple ofuition

other issues. sayingll street journal" mrs. clinton has embraced policies he brought out on the campaign trail. she released a plan to increase spending for community health centers, a sanders priority. how else do you see him influencing the clinton campaign from a policy point of view? guest: hillary has largely embraced many of these sanders campaign items. you left off that list the minimum wage, the $15 minimum wage. the desire to break up too big to fail banks. the health care reform you mentioned with community health centers.

he has had this huge impact and isreflects where the party going. elizabeth warren will be a process speaker at the convention. his focus on infrastructure, this is where you will see hillary clinton really be energetic, hopefully when she is elected. a major infrastructure program that will put a lot of folks to work. and fix up our roads and bridges , all the infrastructure that have been unattended and need to be addressed. host: you mentioned elizabeth warren. do you think she is the topic for vp? guest: i have no clue. i like elizabeth warren. she would be fine by me. we have senator kaine, senator brown, tom perez. host: lots of calls waiting for congressman peter welch.

barbara is in west palm beach, florida. independent line. caller: i think bernie has betrayed all his supporters. in light of all the controversy and all the facts about hillary clinton, i think he betrayed his supporters by caving in at this point in time. segment, the previous when we were talking about black -- the black caucus, black lives matter, the black history month, all of this coming isn't that separating people even further? it is heartbreaking in politics when you come up just a bit short. bernie came up just a bit short. more elected delegates and had more pledged delegates and she got more votes. bernie did not quite make it. be aou hang in and

third-party? bernie made it clear from the beginning he would not do that. or du make negotiations with the you makeampaign -- do negotiations with the hillary campaign? his policies are embraced by our standardbearer and we are now all in this together. i think he did the right thing. host: lori in west virginia for democrats line. caller: i'm having a hard time with it. i was a big bernie supporter. it is not that i don't like hillary. i have always liked hillary clinton. in light of the things that have , i could see myself having an e-mail, not knowing -- because i am

not computer savvy. but she had people around her who should have told her that. and that makes me distrustful of her because of the people around her. i feel like she has to get people around her that are not "yes" people. so she will listen to the truth. so i have a hard time. there is no way that i can vote for donald trump but i have been looking at gary johnson. it is very difficult. as i say. until she says something to let me know that the people she puts around her are not going to be yes people. and people who say president clinton, there is something wrong with this. you know, i don't know. it is a difficult choice this time. host: let's get a response.

guest: this is what is so hard about politics. when you put your hopes behind somebody like bernie sanders. and you really admired him and saw him as the future as he doesn't make it. where do you go? how do you wrestle with those emotions? and that is a process all of us will have to go through. before we can come to the decision of what we're going to do. bernie sanders has made his decision and i have made my decision but you have to wrestle with it. at the end of the day it will be an option amongst who the major candidates are. it will come down to donald trump or hillary clinton. and those are issues she does have to contend with in the race. but she has embraced the platform that many russ and bernie have been advocating. and that is better than what any of the third-party candidates or

donald trump are offering. bernie sanders has given his advice and recommendation. i think it is good advice for all of us who want to have a more progressive democratic party. host: latest hillary clinton have to do to sway back callers like that. specifically on issues like paul on them notg getting classified briefings to hillary clinton? her challenge is anybody's challenge for running for office has in making a relationship with the voters. why youing that voter can trust her. the mill controversy, she has it knowledge that she has made a mistake. and she did. and the republicans are going to continue to hammer away at that.

she will have to look the american people in the eye and explain how she made that mistake and why it will be something that she makes again. knoll ond morning to the independent line. caller: i appreciate you taking my call. i really like bernie sanders. right up until he gave her a hug. he was the only one in the race with any integrity and now he's thrown it all away. i will never vote for hillary clinton, ever. she has shown herself to be dishonest. i guess i'm going to vote for donald trump or johnson but never hillary clinton. bernie sanders got screwed by the democratic party. get go with the superdelegates that were not supposed to announce until the convention. they were in the bag already.

andit really swayed people their vote during the primary. that is all i have to say. host: you are a superdelegate. tell us what that means? guest: the way the democratic nomination process works is that there are three things. a caucus where the turnout is small but committed people. elections and primaries where they allocate votes and their people who are party officials and members of congress, and they are superdelegates. vote and we can vote for whoever we want. your vote doesn't count more than a regular delegate? guest: that is correct. so muchcaller, speaking

to the bernie folks -- the fact i don't believe the primary process was raked because hillary did get more elected delegates. it didn't come down to the superdelegates making the difference. the elected delegates were over 300 more for hillary. ifit is hard to say that, you are a strong bernie sanders supporter. and he'd knowledge that is the way it worked out. host: that caller stated clearly that he would not vote for hillary clinton. a piece in the washington post -- does hillary clinton need bernie sanders? he writes that of course hillary would prefer a united party and in recent weeks it has become clear that they were unlikely to showed -- two pulls sanders supporters rallying to

clinton rather quickly and overwhelmingly with more than eight in 10 saying they would support clinton in the general election. home,ms of the folks back bernie sanders supporters, is that what you hear? i think it will work out that way. but there is another issue when bernie sanders can be helpful, especially with the young who for the first time, got involved. and that is turnout. there are many states where it could be a tossup election and bernie sanders going into the state where it could be in question and answer questions by -- i thinke that one bernie sanders be able to globalize those folks by his presence and advocacy. about his explanation why, as tough as this choice may be, it is the right thing to do. this says that sanders

endorsement may help among the most anti-clinton endorsers. let's hear from matt in florida. caller: good morning. i'm going to tell you this. supported bernie sanders but i did greatly respect him. the man had convictions and principles and was well spoken. only as an onlooker, i can't imagine how disappointing it is to be part of his crowd and watching this happen. it there is a, tremendous disappointment and ultimately placing his loyalties with the party rather than the people. guest: i think he would dispute that. tot was hard for him formally end his campaign and support hillary clinton. feel, you canyou

imagine, he has been out there for 14 months nt came very close. california was where he came up short. -- in order tos put the country first and put what his goals are. and it will be much better for achieving some or all of bernie sanders goals if we have a democrat in the white house, rather than donald trump. that is the judgment he made. a lot of folks who are bernie sanders supporters have to mull that over. i agree with bernie sanders, i think it is the right decision. host: a couple of comments on twitter -- sen. sanders:'s money by telling people he would take it to the convention but then endorsed hillary clinton. talking but the platform --

platforms are rarely interacted and are not winding. i do think bernie sanders will stick around to make sure those ideas are carried out if she is elected? platformshink generally don't make that much difference but i think what does make a difference is how bernie sanders moved the party so that rank and file democrats have embraced the principles in that platform and the politicians have embraced those platforms. so the platforms are being written at the conclusion of how powerful his message was. so i do believe that what he supported and incorporated into is alatform -- that powerful, ongoing force on the democratic side. hillary clinton will embrace that because that is when the support is. host: going to tame in connecticut on the independent line. caller: i think this is great for the democratic already.

i am a centrist. clinton already knows how to throttle the internet with social media. it is disheartening to follow the democratic process when you know the information going out there is being throttled by the people with money. but bernie sanders advocating for the modern american. host: ok. any thoughts? guest: there wasn't really a question there. just an observation. upside and a downside. with social media more of us can participate. it is active and fast. the downside is that there is less the liberation where you

weigh what is the right thing to do or the best policy moving forward. so it is a new way of interaction. bernie sanders was brilliant at that. money in $27 contributions. folks on the internet to get compelled hision campaign. he harnessed that force. host: how long have you known him? 1981. since he won a smashing victory by 10 votes to become the mayor and the city of burlington. is he changed or has he changed in terms of his political views? guest: a lot of his colleagues have talked about his integrity. the caller who said he didn't agree with bernie sanders but he did respect him -- that is the

kind of recognition that bernie sanders has always had. his campaign is the speech he was giving when he was running for mayor and when he ran for congress. bernie sanders is bernie sanders. -- people weres feeling this. and analysis was very powerful because it came out of the tenor of who that man is. host: what do you think, in terms of -- he is an independent. why is he always stayed an independent? wouldn't it be easier to run in the democratic side? guest: he has carved out his own identity. and the that the agency ability to make criticisms. not just over republicans but also democrats. tot: we say good morning

june on the democrat line. caller: i want to say that i am so ashamed of every superdelegate who declared early. they are a privileged class. the country wants donald trump, they can have him. i am voting for -- who aligns with bernie sanders. they would have been a great team. i am voting for the green party with jill stein. i marched in vietnam and i'm making a political statement again. georgia on the democrat line, fichter. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a question and comment. i think the e-mails has been completely distorted and people have missed the importance of the e-mails. e-mails are dangerous. they have no business in dealing

problems.ity and the question i want to ask is that superdelegates have been around since ever since i can remember. why, all of a suddeneverybody so begin with that there were superdelegates. thank you. host: ok. guest: there have been superdelegates for quite a while. and the concern this year, which i do respect is that hillary clinton frontloaded her campaign , getting an enormous amount of superdelegates. that was not the case eight years ago when she ran against barack obama, and i think in the end, barack obama got more than she did.

the worry wise, and i think this is a legitimate worry -- if, at the end of the day, the superdelegates puts the winner and it wasp different than what the elected delegates had decided, that would have struck a lot of people as undemocratic. but it turns out that the elected delegates were won by hillary clinton. she got the most of them. so the superdelegates were not the decisive factor. it was the elected delegates. host: what happens to the sanders delegates now? what are the mechanics of what happens on the floor in philadelphia? guest: i'm not exactly sure. because it will be up to bernie sanders. but what happened with hillary clinton when she was in the contest almost as long as bernie sanders was against barack obama, she asked the convention to make the nomination of barack obama unanimous.

bernie sanders has to decide how he will handle that. do you expect to hear from senator sanders or the campaign on what your role may be going forward? i actually don't. i have been in touch with bernie sanders, he is my friend and neighbor. but they have the situation in hand. extent, i think i may be able to be helpful by talking to bernie sanders folks who are disappointed and who are having to come to emotional terms with the decision that bernie sanders has made. and perhaps just have discussions with them about why he thought that made sense and why am supportive of the decision that he made. peter welch from vermont is our guest. yesterday, bernie sanders endorsed hillary clinton. (202) 748-8000 is the democrat line. (202) 748-8001, republicans.

all others, (202) 748-8002. senatorsome of what sanders had to say. bernie sanders: this campaign is about moving the united states forward, towards universal health care. [applause] sanders: and reducing the number of people in our country who are uninsured or underinsured. [applause] sanders: hillary clinton wants to see that all americans have the right to choose a public option in their health care. [applause] senator sanders: which will lower the cost of health care for millions. she also believes that anyone 55

years or older should be able to opt in to medicare. [applause] sanders: and she wants to see millions more americans gain access to primary health care, dental care, mental health counseling and low-cost prescription drugs. [applause] sanders: through a major and dramatic expansion of the health of this country. welch ongressman peter the issue of health care. how far do you think bernie has moved hillary clinton? guest: pretty far. these community health centers and primary health providers, you get lower-cost prescription drugs -- the notion of having medicare be eligible when you

are 55-year-old as opposed to 65 years old, a major policy decision. that is something we passed in the health house. is the what you will see efforts on the cost to health care. access -- the obama care bill has been very helpful, even though we need to do more. but the cost is the impediment to access now. and that will be a big challenge for all of us. host: let's hear from south carolina on the rachel of the line -- good morning to carol. caller: i was wondering if ch, the state, the state will go donald trump.

the number of people who swung over are not great, it isn't a college date. but do you think that bernie and callingdraising for money and support from his own mailing list and supporters, and telling them he was going to the convention and not make a ,ecision to endorse anybody that he intended to be elected? guest: it is a tough question. when you have a candidate, bernie sanders, who is hoping , andsomething can happen any time you're in a campaign, you are running to win. bernie sanders was running to win, even after california. was there a way where something might happen or the superdelegates might start flipping?

the sanders campaign talks a while about superdelegates but it was a plan that didn't really get anywhere. all theid continue even way to the very last to hang in there to see if there was a way he could win. to win.d and he worked as hard as any person running for president has worked. at a certain point he had to look at the lay of the land and retreat from the battlefield. i wouldn't call that a lie. i would call that working hard and needing the support of his supporters to keep going. he owes his supporters a rational decision. this the hill has a piece morning -- how bernie sanders came back to hillary. they write that the backing came after many delicate conversations between the two camps. the successful conclusion to , smiling broadly as

-- astood side-by-side welcome sight for democrats who have been desperate to build a united front to help defeat donald trump. so a month since the last primary in california and this announcement on tuesday, did that feel like a long time to you? guest: it did. it was a limbo time with the campaign. it was hard to see where this would ultimately end. there was potential and anxiety as to whether it would be a convention fight, and a fight in a context where hillary clinton clearly had the delegates to get the nomination. divisived have been and would have intensified the frustration that some folks have about bernie sanders not winning. so i think that bernie sanders used that month wisely to get real and his commitment to the platform. not just the platform but also

commitment of hillary clinton. that was useful because now we have time to unify and focus in a unified way to win against donald trump. this is going to be a tough campaign. otherwho are some of the bernie sanders superdelegates on capitol hill? guest: a small number. in the house -- jeff merkley. keith ellison. tell together. rick nolan. colin peterson. host: have you had a chance to talk to any of them? guest: i have talked to a lot of them and people are supportive of what he is doing even if they are disappointed that he is not the nominee. host: let's go to new jersey, james is on the independent line. taking myank you for call. c-span is my favorite tv station to watch. host: glad to hear that. the media isest of

just an echo chamber and you guys actually let people talk about angst that matter. i am a bernie sanders supporter. i think i am part of the group that never gets pulled because we are not a college kid. i am 64-year-old and i know everybody who has talked to me and supports bernie sanders is in my age group. maybe we don't go to the rallies but we are an important part of the bernie sanders coalition. this wasn't about creating a movement or joining a movement -- we were really looking for a president, and he is a once in a lifetime canada. i haven't felt so excited about the election since 1968. i support bernie sanders but i can never support hillary clinton. i understand what he is doing. we were hoping that the convention would be a time when,

there were actually votes taken, and we're really disappointed about that. i will ever no way put a vote behind hillary clinton. i don't want to see another clinton white house. be -- i think he's think you speak for a lot of folks are disappointed that bernie sanders is not the nominee. when you go back to bobby kennedy and put bernie sanders anthat category, that is obvious show of respect for bernie sanders. but you have to make your decision about who to vote for now because bernie sanders is not on the ballot and we don't have a chance to vote for him. he has made his recommendation and you can take that into account. but you are struggling with what i think is the emotions of a lot of other folks who saw in bernie sanders a lot of hope. host: colleagues are working to

race to see what work you can get done before the break. one of the issues coming up in the senate is genetically modified food. and protection -- and particularly this law that went into effect in your state of vermont. proposal --mo vermont is the first state to require food companies to label their genetically modified ingredients. their ongoing efforts in congress to derail the state labeling mandate. where does that stand now? guest: the house passed the bill. it would get rid of vermont's so thatgive a free ride there would be no labeling. the senate didn't do that.

they passed legislation where there would be labeling but it would be secure and hard to read. have labeling. this is no big deal. and a lot of the folks who like gmo's are bragging about it and if there are bragging, why wouldn't they want to advertise by putting it on the label? people want to know what's in the food they buy and they should have that right. 64 countries do. the vermont's law does give them that right. the senate bill is saying that we will have a national standard and i agree with that but the standard in the senate bill is where the manufacturer can put orenglish language label on they can have a barcode where you would have to be in the grocery store with your iphone scanning a barcode and then going to a website and looking on the website to see whether he can of soup has gmo's.

that is a lot of work to do when you are trying to rush through the grocery store and get home andput a meal on the table get your kids off to an activity. host: what is your experience with this? what's happening is that vermont is the first. so some food manufacturers are not going to change their label. and what you have seen is that some of the major food companies like camels and kellogg's are getting it right. ify are saying hey, consumers want this information we will give it to them. and that information will be on those products when they go throughout the country. we are in the adjustment time because from aunt was first. so and -- so in any implementation phase there will be some disruption. host: steve in north carolina,

good morning. caller: good morning. disappointment has gone so deep. i saw president obama and secretary clinton handing praise and medals to henry kissinger. i consider him a war criminal. i now call it the democratic national clinton club and i don't have the $50,000 to get her. i really disappointed in the way that this has become a close citizen. i want to remind you of what we are upset about. not belonging to any organized party. let's go to jim on the independent line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call.

300 electric delegates that you are talking about that hillary clinton god, that mosto remember of the population didn't know who bernie sanders was in the beginning. yeah. states, hee early was basically an unknown. -- we allhen you add know what took place there. and in addition to that, in new york when the independents can vote -- they wouldn't even, and. then you take colorado -- i think this thing was stacked against bernie sanders. we are really to the point where we are done with this two-party system. there is no difference between

the republicans and democrats anymore. and bernie sanders, like donald trump, represented a monkeywrench. the koch brothers and others run the show. we know that they by our representatives. host: let's get a reaction. guest: the frustration with politics -- you speak for millions of americans. i get that. but the assertion that there is no difference between the republicans and democrats, that is not the case. we have a strange situation now where the republicans are committed to lowering taxes for wealthy people. and that goes to the ryan budget with the senate candidates. you have a democratic commitment to try to lower taxes for middle income people and have higher taxes on wealthy people. a $16 minimumor

wage but providence are against minimum wage increases. we believe that we have to attack the crisis in climate and the republicans are climate change deniers. so saying there is no difference between republicans and democrats, i really dispute that. money does talk. challenges -- there is too much money. citizens united is an absolute disaster. we have to get money out of politics and it will take a new supreme court or a constitutional amendment. the second thing that is bad for politics is the extensive gerrymandering, the extreme gerrymandering, it is on both sides but there are districts where the extremes are allowed

to challenge in primaries. and you don't have the ability to get practical compromise that has always been essential. host: a headline out of last weekend's democratic left for meeting in orlando says that have the most progressive platform in party history. looking ahead, if hillary clinton wins and things did the same on capitol hill in terms of republican control of the house and senate, how does she advance that she needs to get through congress? guest: bernie sanders point that it takes a political revolution is correct. voters do and how they engage, and whether they just go home -- whether they stay engaged like bernie sanders is to fight for the progressive agenda.

is not just on hillary clinton the members of congress. although they do need to be actively engaged. it will be on hillary clinton to be very forceful on this progressive agenda. the time has come for that. donald trump has been on the outlook inside -- that impart has been because he has exposed that the republican philosophy is doing nothing to help every day working people's needs. economic needs. we have to be all in and hang on. bernie sanders had led the way on that. host: our guest is congress and peter welch running for his six term this year. thank you for being with us. guest: thank you. host: we look ahead to the republican national convention next. bruce ash, the chair of the rnc's standing

committee on rules. theill be talking up about convention coming up in a few days. ♪ watch c-span's live coverage of the republican national convention beginning next monday in cleveland. saturday night at 8:00 eastern, we take a look at past republican conventions including the 19 76 convention in kansas city, missouri. starting with the rules debate where it would require gerald ford to select his running mate prior to the ballot process. we also see speeches from resident forward and ronald reagan. >> we have just heard a call to arms based on that platform. and a call for us to really be andessful in communicating showing the difference between

this platform and the platform of the opposing party. which is nothing but the running of a late show that we have been hearing from them over the last 40 years. >> the 1952 convention in chicago with dwight eisenhower. >> you have summoned me on behalf of millions of your fellow americans. foread a great crusade freedom in america and the world. i know something of the solemn responsibility of leading a crusade. i have led one. for his military career, he was selected as the republican nominee and when the 1952 election. and then san diego with bob dole. past conventions, saturday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. washington journal continues.

host: on your screen is bruce ash, who is the rules committee chairman. he is joining us from cleveland to talk about the convention ahead. particular, the rules going into the convention and efforts -- the donald trump "stop trump" movement. they give for joining us. guest: thank you for having me on the show. host: you serve as the national committeeman on the rules committee. what is that committees responsibility heading into next week's convention? guest: the great question. years, thet 3.5 standing committee on rules has been for making changes and making recommendations to the rules of the recommendation republican party. that will be implemented going into our convention. some of those rules that we made in the past 3.5 years are

already fixed under rule 12 that came out of the last convention will book. makingt of them will be recommendations -- we passed our recommendations yesterday. this afternoon in the general session, republican national convention will debate and adopt the changes that we have made and present them to the rules committee who meet beginning late this afternoon. and thursday and friday, they are completing that work and ultimately, voting on the package and sending it to the convention floor for presentation on monday. host: i want to remind our viewers that we will have live coverage of the convention rules committee meeting. tell us about the interplay between your standing rules committee and the convention rules committee that decides on the actual rules of next week's cleveland convention? how much do they have to adhere to what you have already passed? guest: good question.

something i get asked frequently. they are not bound by any of the changes that we have made. but this is my second term as rules committee chairman. in the standing committee. a lot of our changes are implemented in the final. most of what we did was grassroots empowerments and delegates rights. the precinct committee rights. the upcoming presidential cycle. a lot of those hapless and lamented but there will be a rules illsonvention that way are likely to see active. there will be republican national convention interest amendments that are proposed. there will be some reform amendments that are proposed as well. and we're also going to see some that campaign amendments

will be thrown it into the hopper. obviously, the presidential candidate wants to make sure that their ability to help control and run the party as effectively as possible once they are elected -- it is important to them and important to the rest of the party. coming into the convention, which candidate did you support? guest: as the rules committee chairman i have never talked my feeling. including to my wife. i support donald trump as the presumptive nominee andy has my confidencereserved and support in the upcoming election. host: one of the reasons we have bruce ash on this morning is to talk about the repeated efforts in the public a party, the "stop

trump" movement. republican national convention committee accuses donald trump -- they write that an official is rebuking his own party, it accusing it of empowering anti-donald trump figures to play a key role in this summer's convention and potentially dislodge trump. ash three page letter, roos , laces into the organization for appointing establishment minded figures who he say could overturn trump some a nation at the convention. when did this begin, did you begin to notice this? why is this continue to be an issue that concerns you? guest: great question. i was part of the convention process in 2008 and 2012. john mccain and mitt romney. thesort of resistance to

presumptive nomination of those two candidates was quickly swiped away i republican national convention officials around the country. and by no means were mitt romney and john mccain consensus candidates across all members of the republican national convention or elected officials around the country. there had been a lot of silence with respect to support of donald trump. my concern initially developed when the chairman of the republican national convention, -- whopriebus, selected had been a strong romney supporter in 2012, and wasn't supporter, he was the point man for mitt romney going intolead up

the campaign of the general election. myself and my colleagues felt that was unusual. that began a series of conversations that we had amongst ourselves related to that choice. and really the outside political forces that came into play -- governor scott walker telling friends in a speech that perhaps he also supported the conscious movement. .hese are long-held principles it isn't that they have no ability to exercise their conscience. they exercised their conscience when he became elected delegates to the national convention. they pledged that they would support the candidate that they were committed to. in a sense, there really

wasn't a full throated defense of the nominee as we have had in prior years. previous andrman we talked about it. there's been a lot of talk about it since then. the trump campaign has come together, about a week after the , iter i sent out took place have seen a real coalescing that has begun to happen, a lot more working together. we have been working closely with republican national convention officials and all of our staff people across the country. that is the big story here. they have come together in a much more unorthodox way than we have seen before but i think it will be an effective way to handle the general campaign. like it has sued over from a statement of yours --late june that said

published by the washington times -- highlight do distrust the leaders. why do i distrust? because as the republican national convention standing rules committee chairman, i asked for a public lunch to support our presumptive nominee. i asked this from reince priebus, his leadership team and i never heard back from anybody. have you heard back from a number of those people? ago, theout a week chairman of the committee on arrangements and the committeeman from wisconsin and ent a letter to all of the republican national convention members expressing a full, complete and unreserved support of donald trump. and wanting republican national convention members to stand in opposition of any of the conscience, "never trump"

movement. reince priebus has spoken about this. paul ryan has statements coming around to support donald trump. and we have ted cruz speaking out at the convention. things are beginning to come together. be a little bit of a push. i wanted to make sure that our party, the party that myself and the committee i chair, we have worked so hard to make sure that all of the candidate play by the same rules. now that we're so close to the convention, i want to make sure we are all making sure that the presumptive nominee, donald trump who has more delegates named toeeds to be nominee, we want to make sure he is off to a good start.

to make our convention a celebration. bruce --, chair of the rnc's standing committee on rules. democrats, (202) 748-8000. , (202) 748-8001. .ll others, (202) 748-8002 we start with a question on twitter. will any of the new rules change the way the primary is run? one of the things we have talked about his closing republican primaries to republican voters in 2020. there will be discussion about this. this has been a discussion for a long amount of time. and probably states will be given incentives or more

delegates as a result of having a closed primary. perhaps moving them up in the calendar to give the greater importance. let's go to federal way, washington. a republican caller. caller: i have a couple of questions for you. i want to know, what is the republican national convention going to do about donald trump inciting all of these violent rallies that have been happening? i know there have been protesters who have gotten violent but he kind of started hisviolence towards rallies. i feel like as republicans, i am not going to support donald trump. i am saddened at the situation. what are you guys going to do for people who are republicans who just want to vote for him?

peaceful republicans? what are you guys going to do for safety at the convention? guest: thank you for your question. in this country we are all super sensitive to the issue of safety right now. we will havetion, a lot of law enforcement in place. there will be security perimeters around the venue. there has not, been enough security around events for clinton, as well as trump. there is a great deal of anger in this country today. there is a feeling amongst many that things haven't been going so well. people are frustrated and angry and we're seeing this all over the world. we saw what happened in the u.k. with the brexit vote, government's changing in england and australia and canada.

the rise of the party in france. the new president in the philippines. there is lots of change and turmoil coming out of politics but it need not erupt into violence. we cannot accept that in this country. president george w. bush's comments yesterday were very appropriate and soothing and healing. because you california with sam on the independent line. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. please forgive the ignorance of my question, but my understanding is that the primary process in the united it's for to select -- two private parties, the republican and democratic parties. to privately select a candidate. private then why is public money used for the primary elections? guest: a great question.

in our state, legislation or has of theublic money out selection process. we have a publicly funded presidential preference process for several cycles but it will now go to a state party caucus in 2020. overall, a lot of states handle both their presidential and thece elections local primaries at the same time. so these are combined in the same election cycles. that is what we often find in holding the contests together. of theack to the issue dump truck movement -- this votes, the 28 votes to unbind delegates. over the weekend, the daily wire had the opportunity to speak with kendall andrew.

he is a member of the rules committee at the republican national convention, and a leading advocate for a vote that to unbind the delegates from the candidates to which their state primaries are pledged. does that situation stand? guest: it is hard to say. until you have people who are actually signed on a document willing -- we don't know exactly where they stand. reports we have hardly had any in our party. you have to go back to 1976 to see much activity in this area. that aly what happens is lot of the delegates who attend the convention who are part of the rules committee don't have a lot of experience in this sort of work. it is a high charged and exhilarating experience. sign ontopeople things before they understand

the full applications of it. the sign on and they sign off. there is a brief amount of time to file these reports. sometimes they don't get filed in time. we aren't sure where that stands right now. i suspect that there probably of the rulesembers committee. we will be working together and we have been trying to id them. we think that the numbers are far lower than what he has to say. host: let's go to michigan, good morning. air?en, you are on the yes, this is mississippi? host: you are right, go ahead. ,aller: i had a little comment

i just am glad to see the rules committee and the powers that be there are getting their stuff together for next week. have agreed to include building a wall along the entire mexican border. ruleswith a very strict for prison time for anyone caught coming back in after we kicked them out. and some of them said, donald trump will never build a ball. and i will tell you, it can be done. it can be done if you cut off financial aid to mexico. and brace for the consequences. use that money to build a wall. wouldn't that be mexico paying for it? ash, and is talking about the meetings that have wrapped up on the republican platform. point, in terms of the platform, how important is it for the platform and set of

rules that the republicans establish going into this convention that everybody be on board with what the candidate wants? well, the track campaign largely approved of the platform package, which was approved yesterday by the committee. a minority report in a couple of areas. i doubt it has much traction against the delegates. this is a conservative platform. ofy much so in terms immigration and traditional values. i know that this is a platform which is going to have increasing jobs, increasing jobs and making it a job friendly country. repatriating capital back to the country. lowering taxes.

in terms of being together, i think the donald trump campaign is right on with respect to the platform. and i think that based on the context that we have had with campaign, theyp will make their pool on the report by the end of the day on friday. host: bruce ash is the chair of the rnc's standing committee on rules. you have proposed a change to one of the standing rules, will number 40. concerning nominations. tell us about that? what are you proposing, and why? guest: yesterday, i did something i haven't done in 5.5 years -- i left the podium. i have always felt it was best for me to be impartial and not show my favoritism to any

particular issue that we might be discussing. we were at the end of our cycle. for the entire my last meeting. and i made a suggestion that we to make sure that we close whatever small window there might be regarding bindings. .ighting back to 16 a the court case in virginia the other day that took place there, that was a great political message. it should show that binding is legal and constitutional. imposeh parties can't binding, state parties can i that is what the virginia party did. they were entitled to do that. and the judge did a great job outlining these issues. so my efforts coincided with

this. the committee yesterday decided that with the convention rules meeting so soon, best to leave this issue to them. i will bring this issue up again thursday or friday, hoping to get approval. that40 came from a problem occurred at the 2012 convention. you might remember that some candidates names were not read back by the recording secretary. we think every candidate's name should be read back. have ay names that nomination of eight states that taken majority. there was concern that all of that nomination got the candidates after spending -- was the dollars nominating speech. it has never been that way. we want to make sure that we are securing the party rules. so you will just be

another delegate to this convention rules meeting on thursday and friday? guest: yes, i'm very excited to be a part of an effort to reform our rules and to give greater to alle empowerment voters, making sure that all votes count and making sure that republicans are involved in our presidential selection process. remind our viewers that we have live coverage on thursday and friday. let's go to texas to hear from michael. caller: yes. i was concerned that you all said you were going back on the past. going straight ahead, talking about what he is going to bring to the new republican party. thing your opening said that the platform is set over here and donald trump does this and other people -- and

then they come out with that. which one will you stand on? the republican national convention or the donald trump pledge? guest: a good question. and actually it's a bit of everyone's. certainly i think ted cruz's campaign and his supporters have something to do with the platform we have adopted that the committee. the trump campaign also had a rate deal of input into the asument that exists as well people who have been active within the rnc. it's a collective process. it's a collaborative process. a lot of giving and taking andts with subcommittees then goes to the general committee. it's an amazing process. maybe the document is a little too long or short.

it is not the length. it has to do with the content of it. it does rely upon the values that have made america great, but it also talks about the making america great again also. it is a combination of those that i think will make it a great platform. something for all of our candidates to run and win on. host: back to your comments on possible changes to the primary follow-up 2020, a tasks, aren't 40% of voters independent? is the intent of a closed primary to disrespect the influence of the independent voter? guest: oh gosh, no. we would encourage independent voters to join our party. there has been a lot of disaffection among voters because they have not felt that republican public officials

govern the same way they campaign. and really the phenomena we now see with donald trump taking over the republican party has had its roots with a lot of problems that started in the voters0 when republican started turning away. we want to bring independent voters back into the party. give them an incentive. hopefully donald trump will be a great president and bring more independent voters back into the sway. gives primaries republicans a chance to listen to republicans. i have never seen an independent party office. there is no independent party chairman to go complain to about their elected officials. they come to the republicans if they come to the democrats. we want more republicans. and i'm sure democrats would like more democrats as well. host: republicans, your line is

(202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. all others (202) 748-8002. here is george in ohio. caller: yes. i've got a question. do you know you are going to lose the -- you are going to lose seats in the house next year? you're going to lose about 18 next year and about five in the senate. isn't that going to be sweet? guest: well i appreciate your question. we don't know how that is going to turn out. republicans have never held more elected office in this country than they do today since the 1920's. we have lost presidential elections because we have not had either the right campaign or

the right candidate. it's hard to say. presidential elections are cultural elections. donald trump amongst many things is a cultural icon in this country. people have known that name and that persona for almost 20 years. he has talked about running president before. nobody believed him. or 3% rating when he first came on the national stage. there is a strong donald trump showing in this election is likely that he will have good coattails. we will retain our white majority in the house. the senate is going to be a lot more difficult to maintain because of the number of republican senators up in 2016. because of the victories we had in the 2010 election. there's a couple of close ones

everyone is watching very closely. donald trump is also faring very well in the polls. so we are encouraged. our convention yet. i think you are going to see a lot of activity and a lot of changes. donald trump coming out ahead right now in florida, colorado. the number of states we need to win in 2016. missouriblue springs, on the independent line. caller: good morning, gentlemen. i want to make a comment. my comment is that every time there is a tragedy, a mass shooting in this country, it seems like the republican party stresses more guns, that we needed more guns in the theater, more guns in orlando. so my question is, why are guns banned at the republican convention? and that's all. guest: that's a great question.

it's a national security event. i feel very comfortable knowing there is secret service, local sheriffs, local police officers there protecting us. there shouldn't be these kinds of threats inside of a national security event such as this. host: next we go to albany, new york. david on the independent line. david? caller: yes. to -- as youlates mentioned donald trump came on the scene a year ago without a clue. breadth ofair's chance of winning anything. and the republican party has had a year to defeat this gentleman before the convention. it didn't happen. i'm hoping and praying that

sober heads prevail at the convention. and just election a man -- elect a man. because if you don't, the party is done. guest: that's a great observation. obviously when we observe our party rules, donald trump is the presumptive nominee. he is going to be the nominee. him at hisupport for convention, anything to deny him the nomination would not only flow of the convention, it would crater our party. and perhaps we would be looking at a much different kind of situation. it would most likely lead to a loss in the presidential election. we cannot afford to ignore the culture and the rules that have made the republican party a party of fools. we have to respect the will of the voter. 26.1 million people turned out republican candidates in this

election process. that's more than any other time in u.s. his you donald trump received about 14 million of those votes. he was the overwhelming vote getter and his nearest competitor got 50% of his vote count. he deserves to be the nominee. and i predict he will be at the podium with the balloons coming down and the sons playing -- songs playing and giving the thumbs-up. name mr. trump expected to his vice presidential selection in the next day or two. appearing yesterday with indiana governor mike pence. this headline says that trump wants an attack dog as his number two. he said he wanted a seasoned government leader as a running mate. but in interview he added a new

criteria. he wants an attack dog. " i'm getting attacked from all sides." the relationship to the structure of the convention and the rules -- what sort of changes may be ahead for how the vice president is nominated or how that nomination is handled on the convention floor? guest: we will have some meetings today talking about that. there are many great choices that donald trump has talked about as his vice presidential pick. level grade is not at the where i know which direction he is leaning at the present time. certainly mike pence who i have known personally for about 11 years would make a great vice presidential candidate.

there are several others who have expressed some interest. senator tom cotton from arkansas is also a great possibility. the vice presidential candidate will be selected by mr. trump. i'm sure he or she will be vetted completely by him and will be approved by the republican national committee. maryland, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. the stock trunk movement. i would like to know why you all just to test the middle and low income people in the united states. trump and allald you have done is fight us the entire time. because you rich people don't want him. and according to the constitution, we have a right to life. to be clear, mr. bruce ash

is not in the stop trump movement. he is the chairman of the rules committee. caller: can i ask a question? agree with you. voters in this country who have not necessarily identified with the republican party identify with donald trump. they are looking for greater job security. they want their kids to have a better life. they want to government who is in the life business. they want to protect our country. the interests of the every day man has to be at the high point. frankly this election should not be about businesses and businesses making more money. it ought to be help workers make more money. how more people are employed. helm more keep all have a chance to live and receive the american dream.

americans thrive when they are working. we want to work. we are a hard-working country. donald trump has captured that as he has traveled around the country i have been talking about this in arizona for many years to we focus so much as a party sometimes in our campaigning on business success and small business success. how about the workers? that is what donald trump has plugged into better than any other candidate since ronald reagan i'm very excited by his prospects. host: a businessman from arizona. whitfield are you in -- what field arguing? -- are you in? guest: i'm in the real estate is this. -- business. host: politico with the headline

this morning, trump has edge in key states. justonald trump really surge past hillary clinton into the most important battleground? new polls show trump leaving clinton in florida and pennsylvania and tied in ohio. to a race much closer than the national polls. that's from politico this morning. let's get a couple more calls for bruce ash. n south carolina, it's mary. good morning. caller: i have been hearing about the stop trump bill. -- theple that do this people that voted for mr. trump

will stay home in november. and the liberal democrats can have this country. think of the supreme court justices that's going to be the first fourg years of the new president. and hillary clinton can do it. so we will have a crook in the white house. and it's all because of elitist republicans think they have a right to tell us who we want in the white house. host: bruce ash, a caller in south carolina reflecting that other caller. donald trump was the overwhelming winner both in the total number of votes and when the campaign got going, it got going at the right time. well over 50% majorities in many of those contests. donald trump is an electrifying candidate.

he's going to beat hillary clinton. .'m sure that what the caller talks about -- the republican party has supported donald trump. we now have to support the voters all across the country. host: florida, democrat line. vanessa. caller: yes. oh my goodness. mr. ash. you republicans who support donald trump really need to find your conscience and your principles. i don't know how you look your grandchildren in the face when you support a man who openly mocks disabled people, who calls the war crimes of our soldiers in the theater of war, who says that pows should be ashamed of themselves because they were captured. he retweets anti-semitic

messages and is proud of it. i am proud of the stop trump movement because at least those republicans have principles and a conscience. and you should be ashamed and hopefully the stop trump movement will persevere. but donald trump says he loves the poorly educated. so have fun with your new racist anti-semitic republican party sir. jew, ivanessa, as a take some offense to the remark you made about him making anti-semitic comments. there is no such thing -- donald trump's daughter is jewish. they have decided to raise their kids jewish. i will have a grandchild around the end of the year this year and i hope i can look him in his or her eyes and be able to say granddad did as much as you could possibly do to help win this election in 2016.

i think a lot of people in this country believe that the future of our country is at risk. eight more years of barack obama is not what i think the country is looking for. and hillary clinton doesn't just represent that. she has moved democratic party far to the left. the platform meetings that are going on with the democratic party have really been frightening to witness. the length and depth they have gone through to turn this country into a leftist state is truly horrified for a lot of republicans to consider. host: the headline, aren't committee will take center stage -- rnc rules committee will take center stage in cleveland. taken part -- theseve taken part in talks.

have they ever gotten this much attention? guest: they have never gotten this much attention. we had half a dozen cameras yesterday. this rules committee meeting we're going to have over the next couple days ought to be very interesting. onare going to be commenting -- at the end of the day there will be enough lawyers in the room to get the language right. the idea is to create rules that are fair for our party to select our next president. that's what we are doing. we're making sure our rules are cohesive. host: let's get one more call from michigan. andrea on the democrats line. caller: hello. trumped to say i am a

supporter. i am an african american female. i am a registered democrat. i tried to change my registration and they said they didn't -- for whatever reason. stop trump people, why don't they just hand over their responsibility to somebody else and just don't vote? i think they should have to stick to the rules and support our candidate. one thing about the liberals. you've got to say. they don't eat their own. donald's battle would be much less -- these people have sour grapes. host: we will get some final thoughts from mr. ash. there's lots of ladies just like andrea all over the country that say they are going to vote for donald trump. it's refreshing to hear it. i'm glad she called and had a chance to express yourself. host: bruce ash joining us from cleveland ahead of the convention next weekend.

thanks for taking time to be with us. guest: my pleasure. we will continue the conversation asking you in particular about the supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg and some of the comments she has made in recent interviews about donald trump. here's how to join the conversation. (202) 748-8000 democrats. (202) 748-8001 republicans. independents. back to your calls in just a moment. ♪ >> road to the white house coverage continues thursday and friday as republicans determine the rules for next week's convention in cleveland. live coverage on c-span and c-span.org.

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once law enforcement starts weeding them out because every time you see one of those case you look at the person's background. seven complaints use of force, five substantiated. the guy was a mess. and we don't find out until they kill somebody. >> washington journal continues. host: 40 more minutes until the end of the program. the house coming in at 10:00 eastern. your thoughts on some of the comments that justice ruth bader ginsburg has made in recent days about donald trump including one where she indicated moving to new zealand as an option. follow-up to that interview on cnn. here is something that justice ginsburg had to say. here is a faker. he really has an ego.

how has he gotten away with not turning over his tax returns? the press seems to be very gentle with him on that. we're asking you your thoughts on that. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8002 for all others. you can send us a tweet as well. all those comments and the previous ones editorials this morning in a couple of morning newspapers. the washington post in their lead editorial this morning, that are left on that. they say justice ginsburg's comment on mr. trump however valid were inappropriate for a supreme court justice. saying nothing supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg has said in recent interviews about the presidential election should surprise anyone familiar with her biography. a lifelong left of center lawyer

and feminist innovator who was in 1993, bill clinton she fits the profile of a hillary clinton supporter. obviously she would rather have a democrat appointing her next new colleague and possibly her replacement. on the criticisms of mr. trump the washington post writes, however valid comments may have been and however in keeping with her known political bent, they were better left unsaid by a member of the supreme court. there's a good reason the code of conduct for the united states judge flatly states that a judge should not publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office. faith inines public the impartiality of the courts.

as the saying goes, hypocrisy is the -- the wall street journal with an editorial as well. excuse me, the new york times. the headline on their editorial, mr. trump is right about justice ginsburg. they write that justin ginsburg needs to drop the political punditry and the name-calling. new york times editors writing that a potential of the new president to affect the balance of the court has taken on greater importance with the vacancy left by the death of justice scalia. out,stice ginsburg pointed other justices are nearing an age when retirement would not be surprising. i want to show you the tweet donald trump sent after those first comments came out. theaid, justice ginsburg of

u.s. supreme court has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me. mind iss shot -- her shot. resign. on the democrats line. good morning. i am a strong hillary's order -- supporter. i strongly believe that anyone has the right to comment their beliefs. whether it is a supreme justice or a movie star. they have the right to free speech for everyone, even chief justice s. all this discount computer trash as republican trash. and i do keep wondering. because bill clinton is always talked about in hillary's

campaign. lady ifd be the first donald trump is elected? tennessees hear from on the independent line. this is mark. hello? more on the air. go ahead. caller: ginsburg's comments evidencemp is absolute that the justices political affiliations affect their judgment. and i think it shows how important we put in office next in the white house and they choose for the next supreme court justice how much it will affect our country. host: ok. next up, republican line in cleveland, georgia. caller: i think justice ginsburg's comments to show that

we need -- i really wish they would stay out of politics. she knows there will be no requirement for her to recuse herself in any case. i do have similar concerns to her. i don't think he knows the constitution well. i don't think he has a very good temperament. -skinned ands thin his remarks in response sound like a whiny schoolyard bully. was not the trump only one concerned about the comments of justice ruth rate or ginsburg. -- ruth bader ginsburg. the comments also came up in a meeting with paul ryan. here was his response. >> i think it's out of place for an appointed branch of government. that shows bias to me. those of us who are in the elected range of government --

french of government -- branch of government, it is certainly in the realm. but a judge who is going to be called balls and strikes in the future, that strikes me as inherently biased. i think that is something she should not have done. i don't think that shows she intends on being impartial in the future. >> do you think if there is a case about candidates and presidential administration -- >> let's go to bush versus gore in 2000. that was kind of a knell by your. that's why i don't think judges should be weighing in on things. >> do you think she should recuse herself? >> i don't think she should have done this in the first place. i don't think it was good form. this clearly calls into question her bias. host: some of the speakers abuse

-- views regarding ruth bader ginsburg. next week or from oscar on the democrat line. caller: good morning. i just think republicans are short memoried. you don't remember when 46 representatives wrote a letter over and above secretary of state kerry's head to the iranian ayatollah. and nobody criticized legislative branch for doing that. all of these republican representatives wrote that letter, 46 of them. and all of these republican today are criticizing one judge because it's the judicial branch. wrong were all of those are presented as an senators who wrote that letter undermining international affairs? overstepping the executive branch?

it's very upsetting to hear these people call hillary clinton crockett. -- cricket. -- crooked. the only crooked guy is donald trump. when you apply for a job and they check your credit and you have bankruptcies, trust me, you will not get hired. america, wake up. host: we will hear next from michigan, independent line. christina. caller: thank you for letting me voice my opinion. we have in this country a very short memory. i want to know where do the spouses of the justices -- is there ever a conflict of interest there in what they're supposed to be doing? because husbands and wives -- and justice clarence thomas's

wife has been a political activist involved with tea party , the heritage foundation, paid positions. you name it. but that is disregarded because justice ginsburg said one thing. i agree with the man from virginia. if trump had to get an ordinary job and apply for that job and be checked out by ordinary people, he'd never get any job. is just amazing to me is all the hypocrisy in this country. i don't care whether it's the racial issue. i don't care whether it's the political issue. i want to know where all the financial conservatives are on how our tax money is being paid for investigations -- if anybody half of thego investigations hillary clinton has, they would all be in jail. host: we are asking your

thoughts on comments made by justice ruth bader ginsburg about donald trump. er most recent yesterday. headline, ginsburg doesn't let up on trump. was ank-and-forth extraordinary confrontation. usually the most public interaction between the court and political world comes at the annual state of the union address where the justices systemically among partisan cheers and cat calls. among partisan cheers and cat calls. in interviews last week ginsburg made clear her distaste for trump. what theimagine country would be with donald ."ump as our president

line, next is eileen in kansas. .aller: high and voting for trump ginsburg should be out of office. they should not have a lifetime. trump is wonderful. i was a democrat for years and i just changed to republican just for him. thank you very much. host: james in illinois on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. support what justice ginsburg said. i think she has a duty to speak out against a dangerous person such as trump. sandra day o'connor gave us bush. we want to remember that. and i think this country needs

to take a history lesson. i would like to see secretary clinton talk about the history of this country. immigration built this country. isolationism did not work. i think republican supporters are ignorant of the history of this country and the polls are also erroneous because they are not touching the senior citizens who have landmines. hostlines. caller: how are you doing? host: i'm doing well. caller: people need to check their history. twohe 1800s there were different supreme court judges that run for president. are you aware of that? host: tell us who they were. caller: and they didn't make it. one ran for governor. so don't say she doesn't have a right to talk about presidential

candidate. people need to check their history. two supreme judges run for president in the 1800s. inc. you. -- thank you. host: the american bar association journal with the question, did justice ginsburg's comments violate ethics rules? it takes and legal experts have varying opinions on whether her comments were better left onions and but they -- violateut she did not the code of conduct because it doesn't bind supreme court justices. the aba journal writes that several law professors and ethics experts asked about her interview told the washington post that she should not have commented. the new york times features experts on both sides of the .ssue and

judges should not publicly endorse or oppose a candidate or engage infice political activity. , it doesournal writes not apply to supreme court justices but it does affect the rule of law. roger next on the issue of justice ginsburg's comments. in alabama on the independent line. caller: is ginsburg the one that went to egypt and said our constitution wasn't want to follow? do you remember that? host: i can't tell you. i vaguely remember a justice going. caller: she was. to help them set up their

constitution and she told them, don't use hours because it's not a good piece of paper. i was surprised they let her stay on the bench after that. and this code of conduct you are mentioning, they have set a are above that. they don't have to use that code of conduct. the supreme court has done things that other judges would get kicked off the bench for. they are a bunch of the latest -- elitists. it's really sad. host: allen in brooklyn. democrat line. caller: good morning. that -- i know that trump over the years has made remarks to the effect he believes it is wrong for people to be constrained by political correctness. they should feel free to express whatever view they have and that's part of his idea of

liberty even if it didn't hinges upon the feelings and sensitivities of others. and that was to muslims, hispanics, veterans, any other group you can imagine. he has advocated the blunt -- being blunt and rude and inconsiderate. i don't see how his objection to ginsburg finding fault with his lack of consideration could be itself viewed as something to object to. there is something to the bible to the effect of kindness toward the cruel amounts to cruelty toward the kind. i don't see how his brand of cruelty could be a virtue in any respect. host: could this pose a problem for her if donald trump were elected? may he asked justice ginsburg to recuse herself in cases involving the administration? caller: they would have to show

that she had some kind of beingst that was benefited, some sort of conflict. certainly there was a greater appearance of conflict when dealing with justice scalia, who used to go on. hunting trips sponsored by organizations on the conservative side of the spectrum. because they were not direct payments to scalia but merely somehow events that he was invited to as a friend, he was ofe to escape any scrutiny potential conflict amounting to reasons to recuse himself. there was the appearance of injustice. and there is no appearance whatsoever of ginsburg gaining from any sort of conflicting interest group or payment to sway her opinion on the court. host: we are asking about the opinions expressed by supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg.

a caller a couple minutes ago asked about a trip to egypt. our producer finding that story from 2012. this is from february of 2012. ginsburg to egyptians: i wouldn't use the u.s. constitution as a model. as egyptian officials prepare to -- ruth bader ginsburg visited cairo last week where she suggested injection revolutionaries not use the u.s. constitution as a model in the would notspring we i look to the u.s. constitution if i were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. she said in an interview last wednesday. i might look at the constitution of south africa. that was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic an independent

judiciary. it is really i think a great piece of work that was done. thanks to the caller for that question. with your next from pennsylvania. go ahead, clarence. caller: thank you for taking my call this morning. i think the justice had a right to express her opinion and just like the previous caller stated with justice scalia and clarence thomas has that on the supreme court for years, nothing was said when his wife was involved with all of the groups. and this man has not really written many opinions and he , thethere and scalia died week after he finally opened his mouth. to look at and understand the constitution. republicans -- i'm an

african-american pointing to the constitution i have very little right. our constitution was written at a time when america was starting. we are now in 2016. it's like we have a bible that dates back. we need to interpret things the way that they are. and we need to stop fighting and everyonelves is taking a pic at this and that . we are all on the same ship. and right now our ship is in rough waters. we need to stop pointing fingers. we need to gather together. god tells us judge not. your comments.r more of your calls and comments ahead. today in london british prime minister david cameron hosted his final prime minister's westerns as theresa may get set

to become the next prime minister later today. we're joined from london by paul waldie who is european correspondent for the globe and mail. a significant day in london and around the world for theresa may and other leaders and citizens of the u.k. how did theresa may rise and tell us about her background? guest: she has been a member of parliament since 1997. she was first elected when the conservative party was thrown out of office. she spent the first few years in parliament running the conservative party itself as chair of the party. when david cameron was a lick did -- elected prime minister she became the home secretary. home secretary over here is a pretty big role. it involves overseeing policing, immigration, counterterrorism. is a fairly senior post and she has held that ever since

which is remarkable because i think that makes her the second-longest home secretary in the last 100 years or something. seen as a potential successor to cameron when he steps down on june 24 but not the likely successor. was the likelyho successor has all dropped out and left are the only one standing. host: she has quite the task ahead of her to guide the u.k. through this brexit. what did she bring to that and what are her challenges as prime minister? it's in a norm is challenge -- it's and enormous challenge. they expected the country to vote to stay in the eu. they have testified that they don't have any contingency plans so she is starting from zero on that front. she backed the remain side during the referendum but she

was not a major figure in the campaign. she kept a pretty low profile leading some to suspect that maybe her heart was not really in it. she has been adamant in the last few days that brexit means brexit and the country will now have to negotiate the best deal it can with the eu. they want to have access to the single market but they don't want the obligations to go with that which include the free movement of people. how they are going to square that circle is anyone's guess. out, david cameron tweeted i will be an obedient backbencher. what does his role become in the party and the country? thet: he will fade into background as most former prime minister's do. he is singing onto his seat until the next election i think. i doubt he will have any role .

you want to let her run her own ship. everyone is watching for who will be in her government. are of the key positions effectively the minister of finance. whether or not the current minister george osborne will stay is not likely. she's going to name somebody as the brexit minister and that will be critical as well and we are waiting to see who she appoints. your colleague has a piece headlined, moving in female politicians set to redesign -- redefine global leadership . how about on the labor side in the u.k.? they are facing possible leadership changes. who is in the lead? guest: that party is in a complete upheaval. darren corbyn was elected by the membership last september.

he is kind of a bernie sanders type of guy. he very much invigorated the far left party. a lot of unions and social activist supported him. a big mandate when he became leader. the problem he had was the parliamentary caucus, the mps who were elected last year couldn't stand him and have revolted against him and voted 172-40 aw weeks ago nonconfidence vote in his leadership. they have now triggered a leadership race. he is going to be on the ballot again. two mps are set to run against him. membership still likes jeremy corbyn and he wins again, where does that leave all the mps? they may break off and try to form their own party. the the the end of the labour party as we know it. it has been around for 150 years. host: the headline in the new

york times this morning, cameron is hustled out that the cat stays. talking about david cameron leaving 10 downing street as of today and some may becoming prime minister -- theresa may becoming prime minister. guest: this race was supposed to last until september which is remarkably short. the process was supposed to take until september 9 but that was cut short when the final arrival to theresa may stepped down on monday and the party said, we don't need a race anymore. she is our leader. and cameron said, ok. i will stick down. she's going to be sworn in this afternoon to it has all been done in the space of three days. host: paul waldie is a reporter for the globe and mail. thanks for being with us this morning. guest: ok.

host: back to your calls and on the response to justice ruth bader ginsburg and her comments about donald trump. a tweet from bobby who says if trump can criticize liberal justices, those justices can criticize trump. california, independent line. good morning. america, come down. free speech is for everybody. i hear everybody talking about history. 1790 x, chief sequoia handed over to george washington a peace treaty. he left washington the following year. all of you have to remember the native americans of this country. you seem to forget about it with all your black lives and white lights. you are all on our land. respect it.

respect your neighbors. love your neighbor's. vote your conscience must -- consciousness. don't vote stupid or we are headed to martial law. caller: i don't see anything wrong with what justice ginsburg said. you have the old testament and the new testament. if you go to the constitution, the black person was not even considered a human being. he was considered 2/3. a lot of what she said was definitely right to you don't want to use that constitution because we need to change a lot of the stuff in our constitution. ,f we just stay with the old that's why the bible came up with the new testament. host: we show you some of paul ryan's reaction. politico headline, democrats

chide ginsburg. they write that democrats are struggling to defensive ring for justice ruth bader inspired -- ginsburg steepening criticism of donald trump with some worried she's coming close to crossing the line routing the judicial system and politics. on tuesday she called him a faker. -- a girl -- she suggested to the associated press that she prefers hillary clinton. next is jim in indiana on the republican line. caller:. i'm from indian i have been a steelworker for 40 years. question is i can't

understand why so many people are upset either way donald trump has been talking about our congress and our senate. they have absolutely done nothing to help this country in a very long time. many arering why so upset about all of this. host: james is on the line in florida. good morning. i want to say, she was in her right to say what she's read about trump. i want all of america to know we will be trump -- in trouble. not just the racist things he says. man is not a smart man. everybody and he is a dictator. folks that vote for trump, he's a dig hader. not only a racist. a dictator. he doesn't give a damn about the constitution. he is a very dangerous person.

host: republican line in new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. i have to say this. shame shame shame. shame on judge ginsburg for her thighs. shame on bill clinton for -- shame on judge ginsburg for her bias. shame on bill clinton for appointing her in the first place. in our declaration of independence we did glared the god-given right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. judge ginsburg already has taken away the right to life. they want to take away all of our right. they want to supplant our rights inh some mystical situation which the supreme court which now passes laws which was not

their job in the first place -- host: we are about five minutes away from the start of the house session this morning. the headline in the wall street journal, congress to recess without a gun bill. congress will leave the capital for a two-month break without passing legislation to tighten access to guns setting up a volatile summer recess in which the issue is addicted to play prominently in the campaigns. another issue they will not deal with is additional funding for fighting the zika virus. we will hear from the head of the cdc this afternoon 2:30 eastern. that is before the senate foreign relations subcommittee gets underway. next up on the democratic line in minnesota. good morning. caller: good morning. i think judge ginsburg was in line.

we listen to shkreli all the time, he was so biased. and clarence thomas's wife is a tea party leader. trump -- he's an international embarrassment. the entire world is laughing at us and be a candidate. thank you. aboutusa today is writing the new game, pokemon go which has made a lot of news in different areas including here in the nation's capital. places like the holocaust museum and arlington national material have told visitors not to use that game while they are visiting those locales. is a related article on the issue of state violence against black people. a man says he could not wait to play pokemon go until he went outside for 20 minutes.

a writer from chapel hill, he spent five minutes enjoying the game including one trying to look as pleasant and nonthreatening as paul will as i walked by a somewhat visibly disturbed white women on the way to the bus stop. i spent the other 14 minutes being distracted by thoughts of the countless black men who have had the police called on them because they "look suspicious." or wondering what i second amendment exercising individual might do if i walk past the window a third or fourth time in search of a jigglypuff. botched that turn. let's get a couple calls on the comments of ruth reader ginsburg. in rhode island on the republican line. caller: hello. thank you for c-span. ginsburg has no right.

that last caller said it all. took all of my words from me. not the last one that was talking about judge shkreli -- scalia. people have got to know what our independence came from. they have to go back and look in history. read the constitution of the united states of america. and that's all i have to say. shame on her. in jacksonville, florida. good morning. there was no republican outrage or media outrage when justice scalia and vice president cheney spent a weekend while theuckhunting supreme court was reviewing a case involving cheney. scalia and thomas have all attended private that involve ceos and

billionaires. they may have cases before the supreme court. thank you so much. host: we have one more call before the house comes in. this is teresa in florida on the republican line. caller: thanks for taking my call. i feel the remarks about all the other justices. be if clarencet thomas were to come out and make any comment about hillary or anything about what hillary clinton has done? i wonder what kind of response we would have gotten from the media. does anybody have any comment on that? host: west virginia is next. we hear from larry on the democrat line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i feel that the supreme court should other justice only deal with facts of law.

they were a good idea to appoint were in life when they the infancy of this country but now we have many learned people that they should be a lot it officials. host: the u.s. house is coming into session. back at me and to finish up work on that. tanks for all your calls and comments. we are back tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern. now we take you live to the house floor here on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order o of the the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. july 13, 2016. i hereby appoint the honorable ileana ros-lehtinen to act as speaker pro tempore