president of the united states. that, we needo do to allow the record number of republican voters who voted for donald trump our primary to have their voice heard and that means honoring the rules and commitment of our party to buy the delegates and make their vote count. accordingly, i moved to call the previous question. previous question in order. we will move a medially to a vote on the previous question. -- immediately to a vote on the previous question. favor?n those opposed? the chair is in doubt. two thirds majority to pass. those in favor of any debate, please stand. -- ending debate, please stand.

thank you, please be seated. those opposed, please stand.

thank you, you may be seated. the votes are as follows. 77-21.r we will now move to an immediate vote on the amendment. all of those in favor of adopting amendment 38.1, as amended by the gentlelady from pleaseo, police say i -- say aye. it.nays have we will stay extended vote. they tell me i don't have to. i have artie declared it and it is clear. we have been counted. we will move forward. 38.2.ent >> i moved to reconsider. i was on the prevailing side.

a move to reconsider. >> he has moved to reconsider. is there a second? all of those in favor of reconsideration, which means an reconsider thell amendment. nay means we have concluded debate. permanently. those in favor? opposed? nayes have it. let's move forward to amendments 38.2. number 38.s rule it has been proposed by mr. roth of nevada who is recognized for the purpose of making a motion. thank you. i've decided to introduce a logo. [laughter]

i'm just waiting for the amendment to come up. [laughter] if anyone is asking, i despise this logo and i have since i was 13. i apologize, that is out of order. but skip anyone. amine elephant. toughusks -- a big, elephant. they mean elephant. sks. tu >> you should check out the one standing on a guitar. >> that is an improvement. the sooner they get it up, the sooner i will shut up. they go. i introduce rule 38.2 as presented. second?ere a seconded. would you like to speak to your

amendment? >> the language and this is precisely the same as in the amendment on 37 a. for those of you who baited in favor of that i thank you. for those of you chose not to support it, i just want to go on record and say i understand your concerns and i feel that when this is all over, there is no more division on this. we are all republicans. republicans are individual. that is a fact of life. we can have honest differences. when we walk out of here, we all walked out together. i'm asking to have this to .larify on the issue we clarify the issue in roll call. this clarifies the issue of the unit rule. there has been some contention for some time that the unit rule inherently prohibits binding. i have said for years it does

not. but there have been arguments on both sides. again, as i said before with rule 37, it is time to put this to a rest. let's go ahead and simply settle the question once and for all. i need to know that my constituents when they walk in, the millions of people who vote, they are not rules nerds like me. they are not playing the inside baseball. they go and vote for bill jones, if he wins the majority of the votes come up a to be the candidate. they vote for mary smith, she gets the most, they spectrum to win. that is all i'm asking here. i asked for a yes vote. >> thank you. anyone in opposition -- would like to rise in opposition? i would like to move to amend the entire rule 38 to appeal it. -- repeal it.

>> that is not germane to this particular amendment. you would need to move to strike the entire clause. after we have dealt with this particular item. thank you. >> thank you. who wishes toyone rise in opposition or support. >> i think it is important for us to remember as members that we can make any change in a world that we want. delegates, we can choose to vote for whom we choose. assuming the rules allow that. focus today has been understandably on expanding our party and making its appeal broader. have been selfo excluded fillmore included. it is important.

we set the opposite single -- single every time we clamp down on rules and make it more possible for delegates to exercise their rights to have a voice in the process. forink our election absolutely important. they are fundamental. delegates traditionally it historically have been considered odd are bound the outcome of their state primary election in the overwhelmingly have done so. historically, it has been the case that delegates have retained some option, some choice on their own to make their own decision. and the unusual event that they find some conscience binding reason why they can't do that. at the end of the day, we have to remember that it is important for our presidential nominee to win at two levels. first the primary and then to win over the delegates. it almost always happens. i hope that whoever our nominee is going to be this time will in

fact win over the delegates. but rose like us are not good to help that. is notoblem, this angst going to go away because we pay rules.pave over it with trump, make the case that they should use their voice to support him. don't make the case that their voices should be silent. that will not have. that will not help elect him president it will not help our party in the long run. [applause] >> thank you. please. thank you. it there anyone who wishes to rise in support of the amendment? >> i have great respect for do for lee, as we all representing our conservative values. have to tell you with issue on something.

my understanding is that you represent the grassroots. and wet i don't understand dialogic is you want to ignore what the really grassroots, millions of voters who voted for donald trump. opinion andsfer the expression of that opinion for a vote to a couple thousand delegates. to me, if we are really representing the grassroots, and we really representing conservatism, we listen to those voices and we exercise our responsibility, but more importantly, we advance the conservative cause. the only way to advance the through ave cause it strong republican party that is united to defeat hillary clinton and the democrats this fall. that is the only way to do it. [applause] there is nobody else running for president in this party right now than donald trump.

no other person has said i'm running. i will accept your nomination. vicey is vetting presidents. no one is raising money with the republican national committee to prepare for the battle. i have been involved in the conservative movement since 1972. 44 years. knocker,t or commodore a member of the reagan youth brigade and i will tell you that the most important thing to me is that we don't let the left wing take over our country this fall and the only way that is standing between that happening is our victory with our nominee and our ticket. it is time for you and everyone else to come together to say this party will be united and we will defeat the democrats in these motions are the way to do it. thank you and i do applaud you for your service. [applause] >> thank you. opposition?ises in

arerising in opposition -- you rising in opposition? >> i like to request that future comment by speakers be directed to the chair. i have a question if the sponsor would yield. >> with the sponsor yield to a question? >> a clarifying question. >> ascot through the chair. -- ask it through the chair. >> with regard to the language in the amendment, nothing in the rule shall be binding to delegates percent rule 16 a, am i reading the rule correctly that that binding could be either through state law, state rule or just the result of the primary absent any state law or rule, still bound by the result of the primary? are those all three ways that

they can be bound. that seems to be requiring a legal opinion. >> would you like to address that? the gentleman is correct. the national party rules always serve as primary. the national party rules incorporate the primaries, but the national rules incorporate the primary results. national rules always supersede any state law to the contrary or in this case, where there is a contrary rule, a state party rules. of no state law or state rule that binds delegates from that state to the outcome of the primary, they would nonetheless be bound to the result of the primary pursuant to the national rule. >> that is right.

anyone who would like to rise in support. are you support? >> i am in support. a house divided against itself shall not stand. when i came into this, i was asked, by one that was helping mr. cruz, if mr. cruz wins, would you vote for him? and i said absolutely, yes. wins,, when mr. trump would you? i said i would. we are only as good as our wood. i need to ask all of you, excuse me, i'm very emotional about this. i need to ask you, are we going to do this together or are we going to be divided? says, you are legally

candidate of your whom you were standing with. for who you are walking with. i'm only as good as my word. be good as your word. itself divided against shall not stand. because he wonee and 14legate votes million people came and forwarded for him and why cannot we as a body come together with the rnc and get together and show the whole world and universe [applause] not that we are a party

divided, but a party of one. thank you. it is easy to download from the apple store. or google play. anytimeve or on-demand desktop,.org, on your tablet, phone, or you will find all of our convention coverage in the full convention schedule. at twittert c-span and like us on facebook to see video of newsworthy moments. > don't miss a moment of the 2016 republican national starting monday at 1:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. the c-span radio app and c-span.org.

earlier this week, governor pat introduced mr. trump at a campaign rally in westfield, indiana. my fellow hoosiers, we are 119 days away from a great victory in the united states of america when indiana becomes the first ballot to make donald trump the 45th president of the united states of america. thatin indiana we know strong republican leadership works. different from our neighbors in illinois, we have balanced budgets, we cut taxes, we make investments in education and roads, today, there are more features going to work than ever before in the 200 year history of the great state of indiana. that is the republican leadership gets you. and that is exactly the kind of no-nonsense leadership that donald trump is going to bring

to the white house. after seven and a half years of the failed policies of barack obama, weekend america's place in the world and stifled our economy, we are ready for a change. fighter, ay to put a builder, a patriot in the oval office of united states of america. we are ready. we are ready for donald trump to be our next president. understands the frustrations and hopes of the american people. like no other american leader in my lifetime since ronald reagan. the american people are tired. ,e are tired of being told tired of being told that this is as good as it gets. where tired of hearing politicians in both political parties tell that we will get to it tomorrow while we tiled and mountain range of debt on our children and grandchildren. and as ronald reagan said, so eloquently, some years ago, we're tired of being told that a little intellectual elite in a

far distant capital can plan our lives better than we can plan for ourselves. donald trump gets it. donald trump hears the voices of the american people. he has been successful on wall street but he has never turned his back on main street. he is never forgotten or for second the people who work with their hands. who grow food, build our roads and bridges, 10 to our sick, teach our kids and protect our lives and our property. that theump knows balance potential of the american people awaits and we can make america great again. [applause] we must come together and elect this good man as our next president. we must select a strong leader for one more reason, because hillary clinton must never become president of the united states of america. [applause]

know, i heard bernie sanders endorse hillary clinton today. >> boo! >> i served in congress with british industry let me tell you. he's the nicest socialist i ever surplus in washington dc. heller clinton and her party have been fighting so far to his left agenda that it is hard to keep track of it. the truth of the matter is, i just have to tell you, heart, after looking at the direction that their party has gone, farther and farther to the left, to paraphrase the director of the fbi, i think it would be extremely careless to elect clinton as the next president of the united states. [cheering] we don't need a president that is obamacare is a good start, we don't need a president who needs -- promises to put colemont is

out of work and raise the utility rates of hard-working americans. and as a proud father of a united states marine, let me say from my heart, we don't need a president who took 13 hours to send help to americans under fire after four brave americans fell. what difference at this point doesn't make she said. anyone who said that, anyone who did that should be disqualified from ever being commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states of america. say, for the sake of our troops, we deserve a commander-in-chief who will have their back. for the sake of hard-working americans and businesses who deserve a president who will get washington, d.c. off the back and for the sake of the supreme court that will never turn its libertiese god given

of the american people, let us resolve here and now that from the day forward, we will unite, we will stand together, we will not rest, we will not relent until we make this good man our next president, my fellow hoosiers, i give you the next president of the united states trump!ica, donald j. [cheering] >> the hard-fought 2016 primary season is over with historic

convention to follow this summer. c-span at the delegates consider the nomination of the first woman ever to head a major political party. in the first non-politician in several decades. watch live on c-span, listen on the c-span radio app, or get the on demand at c-span.org. you have a front row seat to every minute of both conventions on c-span all beginning on monday. >> democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton campaigns with virginia senator tim kaine throughout the mentioned as a possible vice president pick for mrs. clinton. the campaign rally was held at northern virginia community college in annandale, virginia. >> ladies and gentlemen, please

welcome senator tim kaine and hillary clinton. [cheering]

>> hello, virginia! [cheering] hello, northern virginia community college! i think we might have labor in the house. good job guys. i heard that we had a wonderful presentation from a great example of our dreamers earlier. he up for the dreamers. dreamers. up for the excelente! have fantastic election officials. if i named them all, it would take up the entire speech.

i have to say to our members of congress, give them a big round of applause. we ready for hillary? [cheering] i think that as a yes. yes. a yeah. hilarr! -- hillary, hillary. vez, estamos listos para hillary? a little bit of a vocabulary lesson. if you want to say ready for hillary, it is estamos listos

for hillary. when this great group of grassroots folks around this country, before secretary clinton decided that she was going to run and chose the name ready for hillary, and a lot of them were right here in virginia. me thatery exciting for they chose that name and let me tell you why. ready for hillary, a powerful friends and we were so excited. , it issay in spanish hillary.istos para the word ready in spanish is a little different than the word ready in english. in english we say we are ready and waiting for the time i'm ready to go to the store. but when i lived in honduras, the best combo meant you could

say to someone was without that te, not tointeligen amable, were guapo/a, o o.y they were list prepared, bien you are somebody that can be counted on. [cheering] readyaine: and we were for hillary because hillary is ready for us. hillary is ready for virginia. hillary is ready to be president. hillary is ready to be our leader. hillary is ready to make history.

that is why we are ready for hillary. [applause] sen. kaine: secretary clinton just came from a very tough day yesterday in springfield, illinois. heare you had a chance to her talk about very difficult issues of violence and division but alsoand anxiety, of hope and unification. it was the kind of speech that, frankly, you do not want to have to give. but tough things happen, and leaders have to rise to the occasion. and she is a leader. [applause] sen. kaine: she went to springfield, a city that is really important in our history, and she laid out the right way to lead, which is about bringing us together. i know she wants to talk about that. what i want to do is ask you three quick questions. then i will introduce secretary clinton.

i am asking you questions because this is college. this is like a test, all right? the questions are about the presidency and about our nation. here they are. economy,onomy, on the fired" want a "you're president or a "you're hired" president? [cheering] sen. kaine: what is donald trump known for? you are fired. after this whole thing is over, what will be remembered about the failed candidacy of donald trump is you're fired. and maybe one other phrase. trump u. you're fired guy. being against minimum wage, equal pay for women. if you want a you're fired

president, you have a choice. but we want a you're hired president. [cheering] sen. kaine: it starts with fairness, equal pay for women, raising the minimum wage. [cheering] and kaine: infrastructure building and creating jobs and growing this nation and doing it in a fair way, a debt-free college plan. anyone here like debt-free college? [cheering] sen. kaine: i told secretary wereon that virginiaians pretty smart. hiredem to know a you're president is better. question two, america's role in the world. the president embodies us in the world.

you want a trash talker president or a bridge builder president? that is what is at stake. donald trump trash talk to women, trash talks folks with disability -- disabilities. latinos. to him, it does not matter if you are a new immigrant or you are a worker who has been here dreamer ortime or a a latino governor or judge. if you are latino, he will trash talk you. he trash talks faiths like muslims. he trash talks allies and leaders around the world, alliances like nato. , donald gets me steamed trump wants to be commander in chief. [booing]

sen. kaine: donald trump wants to be commander-in-chief. he has said repeatedly that it theican military -- american military is a disaster. men and women that have volunteered in a time of war, and you have the guts to call them a disaster? i do not want somebody who trash talks our troops and treats them with disrespect and contempt. he said about john mccain, who worked with senator clinton on the armed services committee, donald trump said about john mccain that he was no war hero because he was captured and held as a prisoner of war. you want the trash talker? what about the bridge builder? [cheering]

sen. kaine: what about the bridge builder who served on the armed services committee and worked to make a strong, respect troops, build up and support military families, build alliances, and our nation is a better -- is better as a result? what about the bridge builder that was our diplomat when president obama came in? itsident obama said -- isn't good to have a president who is willing to restore diplomacy again? [cheering] sen. kaine: when he said, i am going to restore diplomacy, he said, i have to pick the one person who can go into any room in the world and be the face of american leadership in the world. clinton to bery secretary of state. [cheering] sen. kaine: so i think we all

know. when it comes to our leadership in the world, trash talking is not enough. we need a bridge builder. we have a bridge builder in hillary clinton. [applause] sen. kaine: last question -- character. st"you want a "me fir andident, or a "kids families first" president? trump ---- donald again, trump u. a bogus college named after capital "h" himself. takes people's money and makes promises to them. on paper, it is a success. but what about the people that got hurt along the way? he did not care about that.

the first. t.every other candidate has given her tax returns . donald trump is different. reason is, it could politically hurt me. you think? when you see that this guy does not want to pay the taxes to support things like northern virginia community college is or the troops, when you see that he does not have a record of supporting charities -- he promises he does -- that is a me first thing. a couple weeks ago, when the brexit vote passed, and the english pound was taking a poundg, he said if the gets hit, more people will come to michael kors. golf course.y

i do not want a me first president. clinton -- and i have to admit to partiality here, because i like in you what i like about my wife, ann. [applause] sen. kaine: when secretary clinton was growing up in illinois and got exposed to a youth group and exposed to the big challenges in the outside world, you can make the decision about whether you make those challenges your own or try to avoid them. as a lawyer working with the children's defense fund, first lady of arkansas, secretary of

making women and children a pillar of foreign policy -- [applause] also, you have seen probably the ads that talk about her role as first lady, making sure that 8 million kids in this country have health insurance today. that is an amazing accomplishment. [cheering] sen. kaine: the problem with those ads is they are too short. it only tells half the story. it tells getting over the finish line. but remember this when you ask yourself about the character of somebody who should be a leader. she was the leader in a way ahead of its time effort as first lady to try to get comprehensive health insurance done. [cheering] she happened to have fate of working with a tough

congress that did not want to do it. that sounds kind of familiar. they worked so hard to do that and could not get it over the finish line, the comprehensive health care they wanted to do. did this leaders say, let's go to the next issue? i like kids and family, but i guess we cannot do anything. no. they dusted off and said, we are not going to give up. maybe we can make sure that every young kid in this country will have health insurance. when their parents go to sleep at night, they will go to sleep with the peace of mind knowing that, if something happens to their children, there will be medical care for them. that is the kind of leader, that is the kind of character. [cheering] and now i am going to introduce her.

this is a tough time. a time of a lot of anxiety. secretary clinton spoke to that yesterday in springfield. she has been speaking about that during her career. here is a danger in a time of anxiety. it is the danger we are seeing. we see it a lot in virginia. times of anxiety, people are afraid. people worry about the state of the world. donald trump is pulling this , trying, dusting it off to divide people against one another, play on people's fears. we know that too well in virginia. there has been many decades of politics like that in our state and all over the country. it can work at times if we are not diligent. that is not what leaders do. what leaders do when times are tough and there is some challenges and some means of

communication that have been cut off and challenge -- channels that are not being used, leaders do not sugarcoat the challenges. they walk out among them. they walk out into the challenges and embrace them. that is what the best leaders have done in this country since we started. that is what we need right now. that is why i am so glad to great friendu our and the next president of the united states, hillary clinton. [cheering] ms. clinton: thank you. [chanting "hillary"] ms. clinton: thank you, northern virginia. it is such a great treat for me to be back here and have this

chance to appear with your great senator, a former governor, a former mayor of richmond, tim kaine. [cheering] ms. clinton: i appreciate so much the leadership that he has shown for this state. now he is doing the same in the congress, and he is working with supreme members of congress. gerry connolly, bobby scott, don byer. we thank them for their service. [applause] ms. clinton: and i really loved what tim said. i like the three questions he posed. think about it. because you really are conducting a giant job interview to decide who you want to be your president, for your

community, for your family, for your state, our country, and, indeed, the world. said really ism worth considering. do you want a "you're fired" or president?ed" do you want a trash talker or a bridge builder? i like that one a lot. do you want a me first, for kids and family first? i appreciate tim laying out the choice like that. make no mistake about it, my friends. this is one of the most consequential elections in our history, certainly in my lifetime, where we are being asked to choose whether we go forward into our future with confidence, optimism, and hope,

or whether we give in to biggest bullying?gotry and that will be the decision every voter faces. i am grateful to have the support of leaders in this great commonwealth. senator, mark warner, your governor, terry mcauliffe. [applause] ms. clinton: in recent years, virginia has had democratic office-holders who have really worked together to build the economy, to create more opportunity. it is a special delight to be here with tim and others who have paved the way for virginia to continue to play the important role in our country. i have to say i just saw "hamilton," a great musical.

i saw it for the third time, if you do not tell anybody. and i hope you all listen to the soundtrack. i hope you get to see it when it comes to washington. it is going to travel probably around the country for the next century. but it tells us some important lessons. you look at our founders. virginia gave us a bunch of them. [cheering] ms. clinton: you look at them. they did not all agree. they did not even all like each other. but here is what they did. and theyed together set the most outrageous, unbelievable goal -- that they were going to transfer these colonies into a nation that

could stand on its own with the rest of the world. what an outrageous idea. who could think that would come to pass? there is a song in this play where george washington, who did something nobody expected, he stepped down. he could have stayed as the great revolutionary war general for and obtained our independence. he probably could have stayed president as long as he was alive. but he said, wait a minute. we are a different creature. we are going to go about this in a way that gives us real credence to our aims. i am stepping down. there is a hilarious song by the king of england, who cannot believe it.

what is he doing? nobody steps down. in stepping down, washington history are onof us. we have gone through some hard times. as tim said, i was in spring field yesterday. the old statehouse, where abraham lincoln gave a speech, reminding americans that a house divided against itself cannot stand. in no way facing the kind of existential challenge that president lincoln faced. but we are facing some of our own, aren't we? are we coming together or falling apart? are we building walls or bridges? are we creating opportunity to lift everyone up, or are we scapegoating and finger-pointing

and trying to marginalize americans? if you listen to the presumptive republican nominee, that is the campaign he is running. everything tim said is absolutely on the mark. here is what i am asking all of you -- to think hard about what we can do together. yes, we are stronger together. when we set goals for america, when we listen to each other -- [cheering] and i have set five big goals. we need more good paying jobs. we need to provide more opportunities for hard-working americans. we need to invest in our infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, our tunnels, our airports, our electric rids, our water systems. we are going to be that clean energy superpower of the 21st

century. [cheering] ms. clinton: unlike donald trump, who thinks climate change is a hoax, we think it is an ,pportunity that is smart innovative people in virginia can address by creating new businesses and jobs. i want to grow the economy so that we have greater prosperity, and i particularly want to pay attention to those parts of our country that are not as fortunate as others. coal country, indian country, inner-city neighborhoods. i want us all to rise together. this is not about some people. it needs to be about all of america. [cheering] we growton: while together, we will become fairer,

too. that is why i want to raise the national minimum wage, so people working full-time are not left in poverty. [cheering] ,s. clinton: i got to tell you donald trump thinks wages are too high. i honestly do not know who he talks to. well, he does say that he mostly talks to himself. that is true. who are your advisors on foreign policy, national security? well, i mostly consult myself. this would be a good reality show. it is just so serious. it has gone on and on. we have to take what he says that face value. said, when someone shows you who they are, to leave them -- believe them.

[cheering] ms. clinton: in addition to raising the minimum wage, we are going to do more for small business, particularly women owned and minority owned small business. and yes, i do believe it is way past time to guarantee equal pay for women's work. [cheering] [chanting "hillary"] ms. clinton: i have to tell you. -- i knowsome people there are some people who basically say, this is not a problem anymore. well, if you have a mother, wife, daughter, or sister not being paid equally, it is your problem. your families problem, america's problem. the other day, there was the

story of a 17-year-old girl who went to work at a pizza restaurant in kansas. she was really excited because it was her first real job. i remember those days, when i had my first real job. not just babysitting and things like that. a real job. she goes and she works. another one of the people working is a boy she knows from high school, also 17 years old. and are talking one day, she tells him how happy she is to be earning eight dollars an hour. he says, i am making $8.15 an hour. she goes to the manager. she goes, well, he never had a job like this before. we are the same age. we have the same education. she has been listening to my speeches. making $.15 an hour more? the manager fired them both.

and that is legal. that is why, when i talk about equal pay, it really requires that we find out whether or not people of the same experience, same education, same qualifications, are being paid the same. when i talk like this, i know donald trump goes, there she goes again. talking about equal pay. she is playing the woman car. [cheering] ms. clinton: yes, i see you waving your woman card. i love it. deal me in. deal me in. that is exactly right. red, i think about you're hi that is what i want us all to be focused on -- creating more jobs, raising income for people, beginning to reduce inequality in income by making sure our economy works for everybody, not

just those at the top. that will be my highest priority, among the very first things i do when i am your president come next january. [cheering] now, i will tell you what else we have to do, because i still believe education at places like this isat community college, essential to growing the economy and creating opportunity. i want to make community college free. [cheering] just here in virginia, that would affect 10 8,000 students. i figure the more education, the get, andls that people it is not just young people -- mid-career people, people

changing paths, i want you to see community college is your gateway to a new opportunity that you can take advantage of. [cheering] and here is what else i want to do. year publicake four- colleges and universities debt free so that middle-class and poor families can afford to go. all across america, i heard about how hard it is for young people to afford to go to college, stay in college, and graduate. ago when i oh, years was teaching at the university of arkansas. i met a lot of students that scraped together the money they needed for tuition, but something happened. there was a sickness in the family. the old car they drove back and

forth to school broke down. childcare arrangements collapsed. and they could not go on. so we started something called the arkansas single-parent scholarship fund, and we have now provided emergency funding students ton 35,000 be able to stay in school, graduate from school. [applause] ms. clinton: i want us to do everything we can to send out three messages. first, we want every child in this country to succeed. that is why we want early childhood education and universal pre-kindergarten. and we want good schools in every zip code in america. [cheering] number two, wed are not going to tell every

student, you have to go to four-year college. it is not fair and it is not right. there are a lot of jobs out there that require skills. what we want is for more young people to be supported and mentored in getting those skills at community colleges, apprenticeships, run by labor unions and businesses. [applause] ms. clinton: because we are going to have a lot of jobs, jobs from building infrastructure to coding, creating new apps. i do not know who created pokemon go, but i would try to figure out how we get them to have pokemon go to the polls. [cheering] ms. clinton: and number three, i

do not want family income to stand in the way of any student succeeding. his wonderfulnd wife is the education commissioner in virginia, and that is exactly what she is working on to open the doors of opportunity. so i get pretty excited about this. that, everyam aware , they will say, there goes hillary clinton with her plans. she has a plan for everything. [cheering] i did not know you could run for president and say, i have a plan. i am not going to tell you. but believe me, it is great. it is huge. you will love it. i did not know you could run for president and say that.

i thought when you ran for president, i think it is like a big job interview. it to people to tell them what you want to do. and i think it will help if we actually run on an agenda of what we want to accomplish so that the congress knows and you will hold me accountable. we are going to concentrate on making early childhood, elementary, and secondary education, community college, training programs, and four-year colleges and universities available and affordable to everyone. [applause] clinton: and by the way, we're going to help you refinance and pay down the debt you already have. [applause] ms. clinton: people say to me

ok, how are you going to pay for it? we're going to go where the money is. we are going to where the money is. that means we are going to raise taxes on the wealthy and those who can afford to pay the lift up our country. [applause] i want us to make sure that the wealthy are paying their fair share. because that is who has benefited the most. and even since the great recession, most of the wealth has gone to the top couple of percent of folks. now we in america do not begrudge success. but we also know we have work to do here, to give more people the chance to be successful. and therefore, we are going to have this kind of support for education, that is going to give people the chance to go forward. and that will require raising

taxes on the wealthy. but i will tell you this, i am the only candidate who ran in either primary who said i will not raise taxes on the middle class. and i mean it. and i will do it. [applause] and we are also going to try to provide more incentive so more companies will not only create jobs in america, but bring jobs back from overseas, seville can work here -- so people can work here in virginia and across the country. and finally, we are going to focus on the way people actually live today. you know, it is not the 1950's. two parents working, lots of times you have one parent, lots of young people trying to start and get ahead, 'sd i do believe, and tim

is absolutely right about this, there is nothing more important than supporting our children. and yes, now my grandchildren. [applause] mrs. clinton: so, i want us to be willing to look at the stresses we are putting on families. onesof the most obvious are in those early years with a newborn, trying to figure out how you're going to go back to work, when you have no paid sick days, no paid vacation days, and you have no paid family leave. and you are trying to bond with this baby, try to get this baby fed, try to find a safe place and take care this baby, so you can go back to work to keep a roof over your head. we make it just about as hard as any place in the world for families to do that. and so, here is what i believe.

i believe we need to join the rest of the advanced economies and have paid family leave. [applause] >> hillary, hillary! friends, we: so, my are going to have a great convention in philadelphia. [applause] ideaclinton: i have no what is going to happen in cleveland. [laughter] be. clinton: it is going to -- it is going to be entertaining i am sure. if you are into bigotry, blustering. and your into drawing lines between americans. if you are into insulting groups of americans. if you're into saying you don't want to let muslims into the country.

if you want to roundup and the deport million people -- 11 million people. if you enjoy seeing women demeaned. with a today distinguished latino organization. and sometimes, my smart research people give me information. and i find it hard to believe at first. i go back and say, did he really say this? they come back, show me where he missit, and one of his universe contests, you know he said he is qualified to be commander-in-chief because he took miss universe to moscow. [laughter] mrs. clinton: and another time he was introducing contestants, and he introduced a beautiful latina woman as miss

housekeeping. really? doesn't it just beggar your mind, who said this? did he really say this? remember though, when someone shows you who he is, believe him. so, part of our challenge, my friends, is to keep this campaign about the future. keep it about what we want to do together. recognize we are stronger together. united, thentter divided. that we are going to work to make sure that america has its best days ahead of us. we're going to make sure every child has a chance of the american dream. and we are going forward, not only strongly, but with pride, confidence, optimism, and we are going to win in november.

thank you all. [applause] >> hillary, hillary, hillary! this is my fight song ♪ >> people in city leadership have been working for this for 10 years. it has been a real process. the fundamental thing that the city needs to provide to host an event like this is basically have the capacity to handle it. cleveland has done political campaigns, may be if they were unsuccessful in 2008, a told them they lacked the number of requisite hotels they needed. basically you need 16,000 hotel rooms. you need enough nearby venues that people have place to go

before and after the session. and other than that, a big factor as well as fundraising, just being defined local communities to pay for this to some degree. it fell short in 2008. and the lack of hotels close to the site, what they've actually ane, a big one, they built center using a sales tax hike. this is the first major event that is going to be hosting, so that was a big one. we found out in july 2014, shortly before reince went on tv. one of the things you guys will see is there is a public square downtown, kind of like a public park. there is been a lot of road more kind of know, run-of-the-mill things were they want to make it look nice. there is a convention economy the kinds of springs up from

town to town, they have been doing this the better part of 18 months. trying to basically get restaurants on board with them, helped broker events, stuff like that. i think a lot of them, unless they have someone helping them, thery're flying blind. the road closures, not knowing what security measures are in place, i think that a lot of the places downtown are ready. i think they are expecting to be busy with private events and stuff like that.but i think will be hard to know what to expect until it gets here. a big part has been to recruit the number of police officers to get here. secretive,een very hard to ascertain the obvious signs where they have police agreed to do it. i think some of that could be getting blown up because of the attention this is attracting, a lot of the entry. they are having trouble

meeting the early numbers they are trying to reach. it seems that it has kind of quiet down. they will be alright. it is one of the things at the end of the day people might not notice is an issue, but it was a challenge for them. they have been recruiting officers, training them to be ready for it. they have a federal grant that received about $50 million on equipment, things like vehicles, things like they call personal protective equipment, basically riot gear and medical supplies, and things like that. we had a lot of the aclu groups here, but we expect that there will be a number of groups that are following an official parade route, that is going to proceed basically passed downtown, through the meridian small park. other than that, because there is always estimates of protesters showing up, but there is busily signs there will be interest in this year's

presumptive republican nominee. he is very controversial. cleveland is a very easy spot to get to. kind of in the corner of america. i expect a robust presence, people set up in the park downtown. cleveland has said that there is no barrier to people, if they just want to approach the physical security perimeter in itself. we can see just people throughout the streets. but again, i guess we'll find out when it comes. we had a victory parade after the cavs one the championship. about a million people downtown, things backed up and close down, it might not be so bad compared to that. one of the things that might be nice is that we do have a rail system here, whereas it is backed up for the cavs parade, it should be up and running for the rnc. i expect of the transit, a lot of people according downtown because there will be a parking

ban, repurchasing parking a rocket. whatever. tohonestly, i expect people come downtown as much as they can. i think people because of cleveland's lack of a red reputation, it does offer a walkable urban lifestyle and a relatively small area. there is a very good food scene. a lot of restaurant and bars near the convention space. they might have a low bar coming in, but cleveland is a very fun place. the republican national convention from cleveland starts monday. watch live every minute on c-span.listen live on the free c-span radio app. it is easy to download from the apple store or google play. watch live or on-demand anytime at c-span.org, on your desktop, phone or tablet, where you will find all of our convention

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chairman mccaul: the committee on homeland security will come to order. the purpose of this hearing is to receive testimony regarding threats to the homeland around the globe. before i begin my opening

statement, i would like to remember the dallas police officers who lost their lives in the line of duty last week. we will never forget. reminds us that every day our first responders take risks to protect us, and we can honor their sacrifice showing that we support them, and we have their backs. the past month, we witnessed four major terrorist attacks in countries,in four and coding the deadliest attack on the u.s. homeland since 9/11. all of these attacks are believed to be the work of isis. the new standardbearer of evil. in fact the group has now been linked to 100 plots against the 2014, ane unprecedented wave of terror. werly 15 years after 9/11,

must confront the reality that we are not winning the war against islamist terror. and while groups like isis may be losing some ground in syria and iraq, overall they are not on the run. they are on the rise. i am concerned that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. youctor comey, prophetically warned this committee that two years ago there were be a terrorist diaspora out of syria and iraq with jihadists returning home to spread extremism. that exodus has now begun. thousands of western foreign fighters have departed the conflict zone, including operatives were being sent to conduct attacks. as we saw in paris and brussels, at the same time, the online recruiting has evolved. and they now have a micro by country.owed although our nation is shielded geography alone

cannot protect us from this mortal threat. the statistics speak for themselves. in the past two years, federal authorities have arrested more than 90 isis supporters in the u.s. and in 2015, we saw more homegrown plots than we ever track in a single year. i commend your agencies for stopping dozens of potential tragedies, when too many have already slipped through the cracks. and we know that more plots are in the pipeline. in the wake of orlando, americans are demanding to know how we got to this point, and a clear majority of them say washington is not doing enough to roll back the threat. they are stunned by the political correctness here in our nation's capital, especially the refusal to call the threat what it is. we must define the threat in order to defeat it, just as we did with communism and fascism. we cannot hide the truth, and we cannot reject it from reality.

let us be frank about who the enemy is.we are fighting radical islamists. these fanatics have perverted a major religion into a license to kill and brutalize. and while their believes do not represent the majority of muslims, they represent a dangerous global movement bent on conquering and subjugating under their oppressive role. sadly we have failed to commit the resources needed to win. i was recently on the uss truman aircraft carrier in the persian gulf, where sailors are destroying isis positions. and while i am proud of their efforts, i am not encouraged by our progress. last month, cia director john brennan gave the administration of failing grade in the fight. and said that "our efforts have not reduced the capability and global reach." the president is sticking to a

strategy that is better suited for losing the war than winning one. and each day we stick with half insures, isis is able to dig further to advance a murderous agenda across the globe. another data plot, another day to kill. the violence is so frequent that recently referred to jihadist attacks by the name of the city in which they were perpetrated. paris, chattanooga, san bernardino, brussels, orlando, is simple. how many more will be added to the list before we get serious? this is the greatest threat of our time. to i urge each of you today explain to this committee, and to the american people, how you are planning to elevate our defenses to keep americans safe. the chair now recognizes the ranking member, mr. thompson.

representative thompson: thank you very much, mr. jarden. before i begin i want to express also my condolences to the families affected by violence in the recent weeks. today, the pain that is felt by families in baton rouge, dallas, falcon heights, and orlando is reverberating across the country. i want to thank director james comey and director rasmussen, and for appearing for us today. secretary johnson, i also want to thank you for your service. this is likely your last time that you will testify in this room. the very room where your 1949,ather testified in when joe mccarthy called your grandfather to testify 67 years ago, it was a time of anded divisive rhetoric,

fear of infiltration by communist ideology. unfortunately, today the nation finds itself again in a period of heated rhetoric, fueled by fear. today, americans legitimately fear infiltration by the violent ideology espoused by isil. last month's horrific attack in orlando, florida underscores the violent ideology in reaching americans and inspiring terrorism. without training, direction, or support by a foreign terrorist organization, the orlando assailant, armed with a rifle and nine millimeter; medic pistol, carried out the deadly shooting in american history. the shooter pledged allegiance , but prior to that he historically aligned himself with competing foreign terrorist organizations.

the evidence emerged that the shooter may have been motivated by racism and homophobia. yet, in the hours and days post-orlando, members of this body and the executive branch wasted no time labeling this tragedy as an act of terrorism. in contrast, less summer, when a gunman who like the orlando shooter was radicalized online, opened fire on nine parishioners in a charleston, s.c. church, many in this body and indeed the executive branch refused to label this attack an act of terrorism. last week, a gunman who we understand, through his own line activity, ascribed to a violent ideology that runs counter to american values, ambushed police officers in dallas, texas at a peaceful protests to send a political message.

yet, many of the same people in this body and administration who labeled past mass shootings that were inspired by foreign terrorist organizations as an act of terrorism were quick to dismiss the notion that the dallas attack was an act of terrorism. by foreign terrorist organizations like isil represent a significant threat, today's threat environment is far more diverse than back in 1949, when this room was used to investigate the threat posed by one ideology, communism. focus,f single-minded one ideology or group, namely isil, runs the risk of leaving us horrible to attacks -- vulnerable to attacks by al qaeda and even domestic terrorist. to underscore the domestic threat, i noted that earlier

this year antigovernment extremist took over a federal facility in oregon, threatening the security of federal government employees for 41 days. law enforcement officers consistently ranked the threat of antigovernment groups higher than the threat from foreign terrorist organizations. that were same voices so quick to label incidents in orlando and san bernardino as acts of terrorism have largely been silent about the heightened threat environment associated with antigovernment groups. today's witnesses, you may be chided by my republican colleagues that by the fact in your written testimony, the phrase radical islamic terrorism is not used. however, fixation on that phrase is misplaced. in so far as the threat posed by isil and other organizations

receive significant attention in the testimony. more troubling is the fact that nowhere in your testimony is there a passing mention of domestic terrorism or antigovernment groups. terrorist-inspired lone wolves, or small-scale attacks, can be inspired by foreign or domestic actors to respond to this new wave of terror, inspired mainly by propaganda on the internet, the administration is pursuing programs to counter violent extremism, putting aside the fact that there is some debate on the effectiveness of such programs, i have questions about whether the agency charged with carrying out the administration's efforts, working to prevent terrorist recruitment and radicalization, by all types of terrorist groups. i will have to learn from the secretary this morning that this week, they pushed out the

director for the $10 million allocation for the cde grant funding. beyond the discussion of cde however, i look forward to engaging the witnesses in an issue, and to the attacks in orlando, san bernardino, charleston, and dallas, the availability of assault weapons to terrorists. we must be able to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. members of congress, the administration, and the american public recognize this. however, speaker ryan and republican leadership continue to approve empty gestures, posing as legislation, instead of bringing up a vote on sensible gun control. we know that the common thread between most recent attacks, both inspired by foreign and domestic actors on american soil, has to commonalities. radicalization and assault weapons.

i do not accept the notion that nothing can be done to address the availability of military style firearms to individuals, who intend to do harm to our country. when it comes to protecting this nation, congress will be rightly judged by the american people on whether it tackles both. thank you mr. chair. i yield back. chairman mccaul: i thank the ranking member we are pleased to have a distinguished panel on this important topic. first, the honorable jeh johnson, secretary of the department of homeland security. i believe this possibly could be testimony before this committee. we appreciate your service. next, the honorable james comey, director of the fbi and the u.s. department of justice. and finally, the honorable

nicholas rasmussen, in the office of national intelligence. i thank all of you for being here today. the chair now recognizes secretary johnson to testify. sec. johnson: thank you, mr. german. congressman thompson. you have my prepared statement for the record. i would just offer a few remarks here briefly. i want to thank this committee for the productivity in cranking out legislation that i believe ourindeed helped secure homeland in the time that i have been secretary. i have observed the committee work in a collaborative fashion, and it has been really productive. i thank you for that. i want to thank my colleagues, nick and jim, for their work in protecting the homeland. a lot of people asked me what keeps me up at night? it is hard to prioritize. i have a lot of things.

but if you asked me to rank them, i would have to say the homegrown violent extremism, another san bernardino or orlando, is number one on my list. we deal in this age not just with the terrorist direct attack, but the terrorist-inspired attack. now a new category of terrorist-enabled attacks. these are things that keep me up at night. it is difficult for law enforcement and intelligence community to detect the actors. the prospect of foreign terrorist travel to our homeland keeps me up at night. of course, cyber security, border security, aviation security, the process of what we refer to as special interest aliens arriving on our southern border are things we should be focused on a dedicated to addressing.

militarily, we continue to take the fight pursuant to the president's strategy to the islamic state and al qaeda overseas. i have been pleased with the number of strikes that have taken up leaders of the islamic state, particularly those focused on external attacks. of course our intelligence committee a law enforcement efforts to protect the homeland here continue. i have a lot of confidence in the fbi, under jim's leadership in particular, with their aggressive counterterrorism law-enforcement efforts. we together have worked much more actively in the last two years i think with state and local law enforcement on sharing information about what we see on a national and international level. active shooter training for local law enforcement is something that since i have been secretary we have prioritized and enhanced, through our national targeting center, custom border protection, and

with better data collection and sharing of data. i think we do a better job of knowing who is traveling to the united states, and knowing about individuals of suspicion, before they get here to put them on a watchlist, what have you. we have enhanced security around our visa waiver program. with the help of this congress last year, we now have the ability to deny visa-free travel to those who have traveled to syria, sudan, iraq, iran. the three new countries i added to the list because of this new legislative authority, yemen, somalia, and libya. public vigilance and awareness must be keys to our efforts in combating homegrown violent extremism. public awareness and vigilance can and do make a difference, along with our cde efforts that congressman thompson focused on.

i am pleased there appears to be bipartisan support for continued efforts at countering violent extremism. i am pleased we have grant money this year to combat it. i hope that in future years congress will provide us with more grant money. i look forward to questions on this committee, in terms of our aviation security efforts, efforts to secure the republican and democratic national convention. i personally plan to travel to cleveland tomorrow, and philadelphia next week, to inspect security at both convention sites. and in general, we encourage the public to continue to travel, to continue to associate, celebrate the holiday, celebrity summer season, but public vigilance and public awareness can and do make a difference in this current environment. thank you. i look forward to your question. chairman mccaul: we now recognize director james comey. dir. comey: mr. thompson, my

written statement has been cemented. i think what i would do with just a few minutes is highlight the way in which we and the fbi are thinking about the primary threat to the homeland, which comes at us in the islamic state. that is a threat that has three prongs, an effort to motivate people to travel to the so-called caliphate. second, an effort to inspire those who do not travel to engage in acts of violence, especially directed at law enforcement or military uniforms. and the third threat, but what we focus on every day, are the directed efforts. that is, the effort to send people to the u.s. or specifically recruit and task people in the u.s. to kill innocents. those are the three prongs of the isil threat. there is good progress against the travel threat. we've seen a drop in the number

of people attempting to travel to the so-called islamic state. that may be a function of the fact that the messages have gotten out that people will spend a long stretch in jail if they attempt to travel. it can also be a function of the fact that people have discovered that the so-called glory of the islamic state is nothing but a barrage, how on earth. it can also be something that involves people staying home to try and do something on behalf of of the islamic state. so we do not take great comfort in the drop in travelers. the second prong, as secretary johnson mentioned, there are hundreds of people in the united states that are consuming the propaganda of the so-called islamic state,. and being motivated to move towards violence and our job together is to find those needles in the haystack. in fact our job is harder than that.it is to find pieces of hay in the haystack that may become a needle and disrupt them from becoming part of the poisonous propaganda. those are the most painful examples of that recently.

obviously orlando in san bernardino, but plenty around the country. we have arrested four just in this month, people that were moving on that path from consuming to acting on violence. and the last prong is when we never take our eye off of, for reasons you mentioned mr. chairman, we all know there will be a terrorist diaspora out of it.caliphate, as they crush those thousands of fighters are going to go someplace. and our job is to stop them before they come to the u.s. to harm innocent people. i am lucky to lead an organization like the fbi that is made up of great men and women who do this all day and every day. and they do it in partnership with the kind of people sitting at the table here and the people they represent. we are doing our absolute best against a threat that is difficult to see and to stop. very proud of the work we have done today. and it will continue. i also did not know this was secretary johnson's last

appearance. i have seven years in my term. i will be back. what a pleasure it has been to work with my old friend, not that you are old, but my friend and see what he has done a great organization. thank you, mr. chairman. dir. rasmussen: i will talk about the threats that worry is the most. also like to thank you mr. chairman for your recent visit to address my workforce at the town hall setting. it was a terrific, terrific setting. and i appreciate the work you have personally shown to our workforce and our mission. as director comey and secretary johnson said, the attack underscores our commitment to homegrown violent extremism. we certainly expect that more additional extremists will try to replicate the violence that potentially capitalizes on media, that came from attacks

like those like the one that florida generated. it is clear the case that in the past few years the pool has expanded significantly. as director james comey has talked about, the fbi has investigations across all 50 states that touch on this population. is increasing caseload tracks with isil's large-scale media apparatus. and as we approach 15 years after the 9/11 attacks, i would say it is fair to say the array of terrorist actors around the globe is broader, deeper, wider than it has been at any time since i 11. and it is the narrative rooted in unceasing warfare against all that it defines as enemies that often extends well beyond the syria and iraq battlefield. has downed a russian airliner in egypt, to the attacks last november in paris

against restaurants, stadiums, sports venues. the attacks in brussels and istanbul, and a cafe in bangladesh. all of these attacks show that i isil to drawpon -- on local affiliates. this array that i rattle through constraints that the threat landscape is in many ways less predictable than ever. and why the scale of the capability currently demonstrate a most of the actors we are dealing with does not rise to the level of the capability that al qaeda had to carry out 9/11, it remains fair to say that we face more threats originating in more places, involving more individuals, than any period since 9/11 beard and is the territorial control and areas in syria and iraq that are key ingredients to the group's development of external can abilities, which includes the

ability to threaten the homeland. on, that reason,' denying access remains a top priority. success in these areas is essential to our ultimate effort to prevent the group from operating on a global scale as a terrorist organization. clearly progress has been made in these areas, but despite this progress it is our judgment that the ability to carry out attacks in syria and abroad has not to date been significantly diminished. and the current tempo is a painful reminder of the global reach. is important to understand that we do not judge that there is a direct link between the current battlefield status on the ground in iraq and syria, and the capacity to operate as a global terrorist organization with give abilities around the world. the external operations have been building and entrenching, and we do not think that battlefield reversals alone in

iraq will be significant to degrade that terrorists can ability that has evolved with isil. so without question, the tremendous efforts we are making is a government to counter isil are warranted. i want to shift briefly for a moment that we still regard al qaeda and the various affiliate organizations as a principal counterterrorism priority. we are particularly concerned about the safe havens in syria. we know that isil is trying to relocate remaining leadership from south asia to syria, including individuals who have been part of the group even before the time of 9/11. and now that many are in syria we believe they will work to threaten the u.s. and our allies. turning to broader threats in the environment, i will highlight three. the first is the adversaries to aviation.e i can say here that both al qaeda and isil remain focused on

aviation attacks. the second trend i would highlight is the increasing ability of actors to indicate with each other outside our reach, through the reach of encrypted applications. and while we have seen a decrease in the frequency of large-scale efforts that sometimes span several years, we are seeing a per revelation of maturing threats, the ratio that we have talked to this committee about before, the time between when an individual decides to pursue and when an actual attack might occur, has become extremel compressed. our best hope of providing enduring security in this environment rests on our ability to counter the appeal of terrorism and dissuade individuals in the first place. that goes to the subject, which was something raised by the chairman and the ranking member. working with dhs and the fbi have developed tools to build resilience across the country.

there is clearly more work to be done by all of us together in this environment. and i look forward to us doing our part. thank you mr. chairman, ranking members. chairman mccaul: i now recognize myself for questions. there are some that argue our actions in iraq in syria have diminished threat to the homeland. or, you testified on this. john brennan recently gave a failing grade and said ""our efforts have not reduced terrorism capability and global reach." i want to ask this question of each of you. secretary johnson, do you agree with the comments? sec. johnson: i have not read testimony innan's its entirety. i have seen excerpts of it. the way i would assess it is we are making significant progress

in isil's ability to maintain any type of caliphate in iraq and syria. i think anytime a terrorist organization is able to establish the caliphate, that has real implications and troubling implications. we have made progress ther in our abilitye to roll back their territory, degrade their ability to finance, degrade their ability to communicate. i agree with nick's assessment that we have to conduct external attacks, not self-radicalize, still very much present. and that is something that we need to continue to focus our u.s. government national security, homeland security resources on. and no respect do i think we are satisfied, that their ability to to engage in external attacks and self-radicalized actors and

inspire actors has been diminished to the point we can step back and take a breather. we must a focus. chairman mccaul: director? dir. comey: i agree with secretary brennan said. the intelligence committees assesses that as the caliphate is crushed, the so-called islamic state will become more desperate to demonstrate vitality. that will likely take the form of more asymmetric attacks at terrorism, so i agree with secretary johnson is necessary to crush the caliphate, will begin a take our eye off the next move. chairman mccaul: director rasmussen? dir. rasmussen: one should unnecessarily expect a one-to-one correlation between progress on the ground in iraq in syria, which is undeniable and essential to our long-term effort to crush isil, the one cannot expect a correlation and results on that front and

of thism shrinkage external operation capability that the group has invested in overtime. i would consider that something that is going to lag, it is going to take longer and require more effort. chairman mccaul: the next question, we have been long worried about isis' internet directives to kill police. after dallas and the tragic events there, i was born and raised there, we now see a new threat from another direction. fromconcerned about this, fringe groups out there. i direct this to secretary johnson and director comey, as we look at the upcoming republican convention, and i will be attending on monday. can you comment on the threat from these groups? i know some have directed people to come to cleveland and bring

your weapons. obviously, there is great concern in the american people on the status and security of the convention. secretary johnson, can you comment? sec. johnson: i am concerned about the prospect of demonstrations getting out of hand. i am concerned about the possibility of violence. we have within dhs some 3000 personnel that will be dedicated to the security of the republican national convention and the democratic national convention, each consisting of tsa, publicice, s security, customs, nppd, coast guard. i know the will be at least 1000 government personnel in both places. the number in cleveland of the ohio guard, as well as probably

thousands in terms of state and local law enforcement. we have been planning and preparing for both conventions now, for over a year. as i mentioned earlier, i plan to inspect the security at both sites, cleveland tomorrow, philadelphia next friday. so i think we have to be concerned about things getting out of hand, very definitely. but there will be a lot of security and preparation in place. there is a certain level of first amendment protected activity that is guaranteed to demonstrators and national political conventions. and will be confined to an isolate area, roped off. but it will have a lot of security devoted to. chairman mccaul: the extent that can you director comey, double the nature of the threat streams at the convention? dir. comey: the definition of of domestic terrorism,

trying to gore a civilian population or government, so anytime there is a political event in the u.s. there is a risk that groups that aspire to do just that, engage in acts of domestic terrorism, will be attracted. it is a threat we are watching closely. the reason we have hundreds of people focused on intelligence and deployed to cleveland. i don't want to talk about particular groups here. but there is a concern that people from across a spectrum of radical groups will be attracted to it. so we are watching very carefully. chairman mccaul: last question. i want to ask about the national security implications of secretary clinton's private server. you stated that she used personal e-mail extensively while outside the united states, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. and given that, you assess that

it is possible that actors gained access to her personal e-mail account. i know when we travel overseas, we are told not to bring these devices, and nations with foreign adversaries, you and on to say that seven of her e-mail chains concerned matters classified in top-secret. but also, special access programs, that were sent and received. those programs are designed in part to protect the country's most highly classified and sensitive information. can you tell us if her private server, if these e-mails were breached, what would be the national security implications to that? and could american lives be at risk? thank you mr. chairman. i was hoping to talk about terrorism. but i will do this my best and open setting. as i said, we do not have direct evidence that the server was successfully hacked.

we would expect to see that evidence from sophisticated adversary, given the nature of the adversary and the system. the definition of classified information is information that intelligence agencies assess as the improper release of which would cause some damage to the u.s. i cannot answer the question beyond that without going to the specifics of the e-mails, which i cannot do in an open setting. chairman mccaul: i know we cannot talk about what special access programs were on these e-mails in the server, but you and i know, i hope and pray they were not compromised. the chair recognizes the ranking member. congressman thompson: thank you, mr. german. mr. chairman. y, as america's top cop, as relates to the

access of guns by dangerous people, the international association of chiefs of police and other groups representing law enforcement are supportive of sensible gun laws, including the broadening of background checks, which, and i am talking e'ret the loopholes, whe told that with a three-day requirement, that if your department has not completed the check, that person can automatically get a gun. what are your thoughts on that loophole? dir. comey: thank you, mr. thompson. i can answer factual questions. the bureau does not get involved in recommending legislation. issues like that should be directed to the department of justice.

, the way the law works is that after three days if we have not denied the transaction by finding some prohibition, the retailer may transfer the weapon. now, large retailers like walmart will not. they wait for an affirmative clear from the fbi. but smaller retailers, for economic reasons, will suddenly transfer in the absence of a no.that is what is happened in trials and. thompson: i guess your testimony is that smaller retailers, because of capacity or otherwise, sometimes approve purchases of guns like in charleston's incident, that under normal circumstances, would have been -- that individual would have been prevented from purchasing the gun. dir. comey: right, the case in trials and was the killer cannot have gotten access to that gun because there was documented evidence he was a drug user. and a larger retailer, as a

matter of discretion, they would not have transfer the gun until they heard back affirmatively from the fbi that it was ok. might be more important to a smaller company, it might transfer. representative thompson: thank you very much. secretary johnson, you stated we must make it harder for terrorists to acquire guns in this country. all of us are concerned about the assault-style, military-grade weapons, which generally are a weapon of choice for orlando in other situations. have you thought how congress to make it harder for these international or domestic terrorist individuals to acquire guns? sec. johnson: yes. i believe that consistent with the second amendment, as

interpretive by the supreme court and consistent with a responsible gun owner's right to own a gun, we can and we should make it harder for a terrorist to obtain a gun to commit a terrorist act. there is legislation now in congress, sponsored by senator feinstein and others, and an alternative approach, sponsored by senator collins and others, that would give the attorney general at the discretion to deny him purchases, if somebody is on the various lists. i think that that is a sound approach. d think that we should a provide the attorney general some sort of process to adjudicate the denial, if the attempted gun purchaser chooses to do so. and so, i encourage congress to wrestle with this issue, wrestle

with these proposals. because i think it is not just a matter of public safety that we do this. it is now a matter of homeland security, that we make it harder for a terrorist to acquire a gun. representative thompson: director comey, let me commend you on your website, do not be a puppet. i understand puppet. education of he children. law enforcement offices have looked at it also. can you tell me how that website -- has it accomplished what you wanted to? or are there other things that you would like to get the community engaged i