world in the united states. but people that can come up with a system, a way of evaluating these kids that young age to see if they may be susceptible to being radicalized once they get older. they come up with a way of educating se kids, them so we can be more or less assured that they won't be radicalized. turning them away from being radicalized. host: next we have ray .p next we have ray what is your reaction to the attack? guest: i believe it's terrorists. the way for us -- caller: i believe it's terrorists. the way for us to keep is out -- they've been killing each other since the beginning of time. let them fight it out among

themselves, america ought to protect america and we don't even have business fighting. we ought to stay home and protect the homeland. host: ok. up next we have mike. mike is calling from lebanon, new jersey, on our independent line. go ahead, mike. caller: good morning. i just want to mention a few things here. we all know who the terrorists are. we exactly know who sponsors them. they are called saudia arabian sunni muslims. every war that we've supported, from hillary clinton to george bush, our country is considered hair particular by saudi arabia. -- a heretic by saudi arabia. the number one arms buyer of the united states, authorized by barack obama and hillary clinton is saudi arabia. and every country that they've

been involved with, including 9/11, sunni muslims. syria, sunni muslims, that army that we support. sunni muslims in iraq. the killers in san bernardino, sunni muslims. these are the criminals that are in our white house because their foreign policy of regime change is what they want to take control of the middle east and the boots on the ground are the saudi arabia sunni muslim mercenaries. host: ok. up next we have kristen. kristen is calling from tarpen springs, florida, on our democratics' line. go ahead. caller: thank you so much, cnn and thank you so much, moderator, for being calm for all the calls. i was in nice. i was responding to the nice attack. host: we only have a few seconds, kristen, if you can make your comments quick.

caller: i was there, my first trip abroad. i don't live in fear. i don't like the fear mongering. there's not one answer but we can all be part of the solution and it is intelligence. the difference is intelligence and hillary has the intelligence and trump doesn't. host: ok. ok. that's all, unfortunately, we have time for on today's "washington journal." we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. now we take you to the national governor's association opening news conference in had des moines, iowa. we take you there, live coverage from c-span. have a good day. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> on c-span we're live in des moines for the national governors association summer meeting here at the iowa event center. the first event we're covering this morning, the news conference with the chair. this year's chair is gary herbert and vice chair, terry mcauliffe of virginia. their news conference should get under way. several sessions throughout the day as well. we'll cover these live on

c-span. just to update you, the r.n.c. rules committee wrapped up their work yesterday so no coverage today. the platform -- the convention rules committee wrapped up work late yesterday. there was to have been an announcement today in new york on donald trump's vice-presidential pick. that has been postponed by the campaign due to the terror attack in nice, france, late yesterday. we'll keep you posted about when they schedule that and our coverage plans. here today on c-span, covering this event live from des moines, the annual meeting of the national governors association.

>> we'll geand get started. my name is scott, the director of the national governors association. so please feel free to take your seats. and welcome. this is the 108th summer meeting of the national

vernors association, and taking place, obviously, with a backdrop of serious, major issues across the nation and the world and, of course, two major party conventions that are taking place in the next couple of weeks. now, i'm very happy to introduce today the chairman of the national governors association from utah, governor herbert. and we have the vice chairman, governor terry mcauliffe of virginia. of course, our host, the longest serving governor in the history of the united states, terry branstad. we're so happy to have him. and now -- [applause] and it's funny. people keep saying, wow, the meeting has been going great so far. i say it's because of governor branstad. anyway, i'm going to turn this over to the gentleman moderating this event, david.

many of you know david. he's been with "the des moines register." he's been in many prestigious positions. he's been on television in many capacities. now he's head of the paul simon public policy institute at the southern illinois university, and he hails from jefferson, iowa. so i'll turn it over to david. thank you very much. david: thank you. thank you, scott. before we get started, i'd like to turn it over to the host governor for an opening comment or two. governor herbert: thank you. first, i want to welcome all of you to iowa. scott paterson said this is the 108th meeting. i've only been to 21 of them. i want to thank the committee that put this together. jay buyers with the greater des moines partnership. paula, the mayor of johnsonton, and also doug, who runs our

iowa office in d.c. governor branstad: they work with the ls-2 group and they deserve credit for putting this great plan for the governor's conference together, and we are delighted to have you. this used to be the hold best auditorium and i watched many a basketball tournament and wrestling meet here. i can't believe how it's been transformed. it's a beautiful facility. we had our inauguration -- our last inauguration here, and we have a lot of wonderful events and conventions. you may notice there's a convention hotel being built next door. a lot of activity, a lot of construction going on in des moines. it's a wonderful time to be able to host you. i'd like to say the weather is always like this in july in iowa, but you may find out that may not be exactly accurate. but we are just excited and proud to be able to host this

-- this is the second time that des moines had the national governors association here. governor vilsack host it had in 2005. a lot of good things happened since then. e had the john "papa john" sculpture garden. we have this and the wells fargo arena next door. tremendous construction going on in east village. we hope you enjoy your time here and we think it's going to be a wonderful opportunity for the governors to share ideas and learn from each other and focus on issues that are important to our country and to our people. thank you. david: thanks, governor. elcome to our new -- our guests. governor mcauliffe is no stranger to iowa. governor mcauliffe: been here a lot. david: i may have a question about that. what i'd like to do, you all are talking about special initiatives in your states. i'd like to spend some time right off the bat about each

one of those initiatives and asking some questions about that. then, this is, being an election year, this is iowa. i have political questions and then we'll throw it open to media questions. does that sound all right? governor herbert, i want to start with you. you have a special initiative, intergenerational poverty, fighting poverty in your state. how is that effort different from other things that have been done in your state or other states to fight poverty? governor herbert: well, thank you, david. before i answer the question, let me just thank governor branstad for his hosting of our n.g.a. conference here. it gives governors an opportunity to come to iowa that are not necessarily running for president. [laughter] and so we have a chance to come and enjoy your hospitality and this wonderful facility and see larry hogan here from maryland. nice to have you with us. other governors that are here.

again, i think one of the opportunities we have with the national governors association is in fact to highlight the successes of the states because the respect -- the states are getting things done, solving people's problems and helping people's lives. this is the initiative we have. on poverty, which is a big issue for all of us, you know. in utah, we have a very successful economic growth that's taking place. maybe the best in the nation. and we're grateful for that. we always know there's still people that are struggling. there's people that are left out and generational poverty -- intergenerational poverty is a big issue. we decided it's not a one-size-fits-all approach. we talk about poverty as if it's one thing but there's situational poverty where somebody has maybe a medical condition or event that happens in their life that causes them

to become impoverished. intergenerational poverty, though, is generation after generation that seems to be -- habitual. it's habits. it's bad process. the grandparents, the parents and now the children are trapped in poverty. so we're trying to break that cycle and we are addressing it by understanding, one, it's unique and we need to address the underlying causes of it. we in fact are collecting data to find out. we can identify -- in our state we have 29 ekts counties. we have 10cke9s that are more prone to have poverty. we have families, and we analyze their economic standing. we analyze their economic well become and educational. with children, are they prepared to go to kindergarten. education is the key to breaking the cycle. we collect that data and put

programs in place with mentoring and coaching to help those unique families so they can break that intergenerational poverty. and we then collaborate in ways that's never been done before with the government -- governor's office, our legislature, our different agencies, whether it's our work force services, it's with juvenile courts, with the local government and that coordinated effort now is helping families lift themselves and break that intergenerational cycle of poverty. the results are actually pretty impressive because the utah poverty rate is 1/3 below the national average and our youth poverty rate is 50% lower than the national average. so we're onto something we think is good and we think is working at least in utah. david: right now in america a big problem with income inequality and i don't know anybody that's happy with the

fight against poverty on either the left or the right. there are a lot of criticisms made in a way we're trying to combat this in our society. i'm curious, do you think you found a sweet spot here that might work for other states, or is this something that's only going to work in utah? governor herbert: well, i think they recognize that the concept of a one-size-fits-all doesn't work. all states are different. we have different cultures, different regions, different politics so you need to find something that works for your respective state. i think the basic principles are similar, and really education is a key, making sure everybody has an opportunity, focusing on the children. sometimes it's too late for the grandparents to change and be retooled or get their education skills to get a better job. but for the young people it's not. and i think the focus of all elected officials ought to be in growing a healthy economy.

the best thing we can do for those that are impoverished is to give them a job. not necessarily just a government handout but let's give them assistance. let's also find a way to help themselves. and i think inherently in the human spirit is the desire to ay your own way and to support yourselves. so we want to give skills to those that are the rising generation. i think it's something all states can share. although respect regional differences and what works in utah may not work, you know, in virginia or may not work here in this great state of iowa. so i think there needs to be flexibility. david: thank you. governor mcauliffe, cybersecurity. strikes me as an interesting state for a state government to try to attack. you come out of that industry and know something about it. what can the states do that the federal government, private

industry aren't already doing? governor mcauliffe: very important question. i want to thank governor branstad and the first lady and thank them for you last night. i was here in january and i took a picture in front of the bank sign, minus 25 below zero. so i appreciate the beautiful weather we're enjoying. on a serious note, our thoughts go out to the folks in france, the people that lost their lives, the people injured. i see the governor in louisiana. big issue. a lot of it comes back to security and national security, what we need to do. the states are more important or as important as the federal government because most of the data on an individual is kept at the state level. all of the health care records that we have. obviously our state tax records. so the states are very important. in my initiative is all about

cybersecurity because that's one thing it doesn't matter if you're democrat or republican. as a governor, your responsibility is to keep your citizens safe. now, we need to make sure we're protecting their data, we have to protect businesses and personal information. just as an example, in virginia we have had since january 1, 53 million cyberattacks. that is four cyberattacks a second, 300,000 per day. think of that. 131 turned out to be a very serious cyberattack. we bought 42,000 mallwear attempts on our citizens. we need to be out front. in virginia and maryland we have very important intelligence assets in our states. i have the c.i.a., the pentagon, the largest naval base in the world. we are constantly under attack. our initiative is to put forth -- we've done it to put up this framework, we were the first

one to pickup up an isao. i want everybody to learn to put together the framework to make sure you're doing everything you possibly can to stop these cyberattacks. they can destroy business. talk about what happened to anthem. one of the largest breaches in our country. two of my youngest children, their information was taken. you saw what happened to o.p.m. the states i would argue to you, david, are at the forefront. yesterday the council of governors meeting. that's the governors who the president appoints to meet with d.h.s., d.o.d. we now have an agreement about information sharing with the federal government, with the states to our guard to make sure we're protecting our citizens. david: you know, with the exception of encouraging me to change my password frequently, what really can a governor do that's different than what the federal government is doing? i mean, give me some specific examples of your initiatives in

virginia that are -- you mentioned some things. give me specific examples? governor mcauliffe: well, first of all -- you'll hear from chesterfield county, we have one of our folks who are here in the technology front. our state guard have gone into localities to do a deep dive on their protections, on their own cybernetworks. it was very alarming. david: the national guard? governor mcauliffe: our national state guard. in a department with the department of homeland security, we're doing a deep dive on all of their cyberassets. i'll be honest with you, it is frightening what we found at the local level. you can bring in the sophisticated technology now to protect it. we do that at the state level. every single vendor we've now digitalized so nobody can commit a fraud on the commonwealth of virginia. the chip technology, you can't do business with virginia, you

can't do business without this chip technology. there's a lot of things you can do. obviously most importantly working with the federal government to make sure you're bringing in everything that you need to protect it. but i would also tell you, david, it's the job creation as well. 209,000 jobs are opened in cybersecurity. i tell every parent, starting pay is $88,000. i am forfeiting $3 billion a year of annual payroll until i can fix this. that's why we're redesigning our k-12, code writing. these are the jobs of the future. so there's a huge economic benefit. i have 656 cybercompanies. i got home from israel yesterday. we just announced a major deal to bring israeli defense company to make their cybercenter in virginia. these are the jobs of the future. we can lead on it. david: in the progress of the whole issue of ransomwear.

businesses are being attacked by this. they are paying ransom by bit coin. governor mcauliffe: that is the f.b.i. the governors met at the f.b.i. in our winter meeting to talk about what we need to be doing in that regard. 53 million attacks we've had in virginia. every governor can have the same data. we're not unique. so what we need to do is make sure we're having -- what i'm going to do and we'll hand it out tomorrow is all the steps we've done to protect our companies and our citizens. but we have more data. we have the most data at the state level. our -- david: governor branstad, you talk about veterans and project home base, trying to find jobs for veterans. tell us a little bit about that effort. governor branstad: well, i'm very proud to say that in 2014, the iowa legislature passed our home base iowa initiative. it was passed by strong bipartisan support.

i appointed former congressman leonard boswell and bob meyer who retired as c.i.a. at casey's, and they're both retired colonels from the military. they've done a phenomenal job. we placed veterans in good jobs in iowa. we eliminated the tax on military retirement. we have a $5,000 tax credit through the iowa finance authority for veterans who purchase homes in our state. in your county, green county, became the first home base county in the state of iowa. we now have 40 home base communities which are counties and some cases cities. we have 19 of our universities and colleges that have become champs that have become certified as college universities that are really doing all they can to help veterans. and we offer in-state tuition. whether they're from iowa or

not for veterans, their spouses and dependents that go to our state universities or community colleges. we're excited about the way this has taken off. i actually signed this bill at camp dodge in the gold star museum on memorial day, 2014, in my uniform. so we're -- i'm proud of that. in a uniform. i got out of service in 1971 and i'm proud to be able to get into it. i'm excited about the tremendous bipartisan support this program has received, the difference it made. at the plen ari session, we'll -- plenary session, we'll hear from one of those veterans. david: wouldn't they have gotten jobs anyway? governor branstad: well, some might have. but by having this coordination and a direct effort made using the opportunity through the internet to communicate to people that are coming out of

the military about the jobs available in iowa and having these job fairs and all of that, i think we dramatically increased. in terms of employers, every member of the iowa business council is a home base business so we have home base businesses all over the state, thousands of them. so the collaboration and coordination and the community involvement, all of that i think is making a real difference. making veterans feel welcome and obviously i was a relatively low-cost place -- iowa is a relatively low-cost place to live. we need people with these skills. we can't find them and yet there's a lot of people coming out of the military. i know as co-chair of the governor's council the reduction that's going on in the federal military, we want to get as many of those talented people to locate in iowa. so far it's off to a great start. david: a lot of veterans come out of the service with problems. and do you find they have difficulty finding jobs because employers are weary of hiring

veterans? governor branstad: well, the unemployment rate among veterans is relatively high in this country. i'm proud to say in iowa it's much lower, and general tim orr has put together a program, not just for the national guard, but for all veterans to assist veterans that have problems and issues. one of the things i think really makes a difference, if a veteran feels welcome and supported by their co-workers and by the business and the community, that makes a real difference in dealing with some of the issues they may have from the experience they've had while they served in the military. so we got challenges but i feel really good about the way it's being addressed here in the state. david: well, just an open question to all of you. it strikes me on each one of these problems, a governor does something by using the bully pulpit, focusing cybersecurity -- well, maybe i should change my pass word. focus on veterans, focus on

intergenerational poverty. is that right? are there other ways that the governor can use the bully pulpit to push things along? governor mcauliffe: governor herbert: we do represent the public. it's more than the bully pulpit. it's working with agencies, bringing people together, sometimes with different points of view and say, can we compromise and work together? that's the challenge i think governors have and i think that's the strength governors have is to bring the legislature together, bring together public-private partnerships. on the veterans issue, we took that on as a need and worked with our schools and said, look, when these veterans come back from military service, they have skills. they should be getting credit for those skills. for example, i was in the military in infantry and

trained as a surveyor. today if you come back in utah you can go to our applied technology colleges and get a certificate. i would be a licensed surveyor because of the training i got in the army without having to go through additional schooling. and that helps. again, that's the schools, the educational establishment, working with government, the veterans, the private sector and utah, the results are we have an unemployment rate for veterans below 3%. david: governor mcauliffe, are there ways to use the bully pulpit and focus attention on specific problems? governor mcauliffe: you are expected to keep the community safe, grow the economy. you have to work together. i have a very republican legislature. a lot of tea party members in the virginia legislature. my general assembly, house of delegates, i have 66 out of 100 republicans so we have to work together. i'm proud this session we had the biggest surplus in virginia history. we just passed our $109 billion

budget. i got about 90% i wanted in it. you don't get everything you like. there are times, though, david, sometimes unfortunately partisan politics gets in the way of it and you got to have -- as a governor you have to move forward. i'm very aggressive on executive orders. virginia governor is a powerful governor. you only get one term. i've done 71 vetoes. i haven't been overridden yet. i've been out front on veterans' issues. i'd make the counterargument. we transition 15,000 a year in virginia. we have 27 military bases. every employer says, get me a veteran, highly motivated, highly disciplined. i can hire every veteran i can get. unfortunately with some of the young work force they think not showing up on friday is just how life is. you have a four-day workweek. at wasn't the way it was for

us. we are the first state to end homelessness among veterans. we are certified. we do the credentialing and i think it's important. i just restored the rights, as you probably read about in the newspaper, of 206,000 felons. 40 states had already done it. i'm the 41st state to do it. we have a very bad history in virginia since 1902 of racial disenfranchisement. i used my executive authority burned the ht i capitol down. i did what 40 states had already done. it was the right thing to do morally so i took that action. you have to take moral leadership. at the end of the day we have to work. we can't filibuster. we can't kick the can. avid: i'm reminded of what pete dupont said. a governor can do anything he

wants but he can't do everything he wants. today you might say that he or she wants. governor branstad: i go back that pete dupont was governor of delaware when i came out. that was the advice he gave me and he gave many people and we tried to do that. so you need to focus. you can't try to do 40 things. you need to focus on maybe two or three key priorities in each year. so 2014, it was home base iowa. 2013, we focused on education reform and property tax relief. this year we were able to get action on our biochemical tax credit. we're the first state in the country to have it. we think that can be the next generation of new products made from corn replacing petroleum-based chemical

products with biobase which will be good for the environment, great jobs and increase income for iowa farmers. so that's what's key. you just can't try to do everything or you're likely not to get much done. if you focus on those and you spend your time and the bully pulpit, your effort and you try to go out and motivate grassroots support, that can improve your chances of getting the legislature -- especially if you're like governor mcauliffe or me. most of the time i was governor the other party controlled at least both houses or one part of the legislature. david: a lot of voters think that's a good combination. governor herbert: as a governor, you can't kick the can down the road. other than governor branstad we're here for a limited period of time as governor. and so you have to concentrate

and focus on whatever you think the issues are today. you campaign and say if i'm elected then i will do this and so there's pressure for us to get things done. and for eight years, generally, maybe 12. and so that's unique with governors. and, again, we will see highlighted today the fact in our 50 states and five territories, governors are getting things done. they're finding situations they inherit. they're improving them. they're finding initiatives they want to promote. they get together and get it done. the states are producing great results in this country today. at a time when washington, d.c., seems to be dysfunctional. that's because the good work of the governors and legislatures and whether it's opposite parties, divided inside their own party, we have unique circumstances but governors and states are getting it done today as well as anytime in our

country's history. governor mcauliffe: we came from a bipartisan press conference to support t.p.p. now, democrats and republicans, unfortunately this has been a horrible partisan issue in the presidential election. unfortunately, a lot of rhetoric has been out there. but for the three of us up there standing together, to us it's about jobs. if we don't get this t.p.p. done, china will write the rules in asia. and ag is a big part of our business. huge part of his business. huge part of his business. we have to keep these markets open. so we all came together, keep the presidential politics out of this. we got to do what's in our best interest. last year i had $39 billion of exports. are you going to close a window to us of these 11 nations around the globe? it makes no sense. david: in both political parties in this country today there's a lot of animosity towards t.p.p. governor branstad, governor herbert, what do you say to republicans who are concerned about t.p.p., the trans-pacific

partnership? governor branstad: the trans-pacific partnership. one does business all over the world, a lot of them with these countries that will be part of t.p.p. it's important to agriculture. we are a major agriculture producing state. it's important to all of our agriculture producers. so it's not perfect and we need to continue and i accept some constructive criticism that maybe we can do better, but let's continue to build on breaking down these barriers and opening up markets and we do that, we benefit, we create jobs and we grow farm income. that's a positive thing and that's why i'm a strong supporter of free trade and the t.p.p. david: governor herbert, what do you say to republicans who have trouble with it? governor herbert: well, i understand the devil in the details, but it is frustrating for all of us, whether it's republicans who have concerns or democrats who have concerns.

there's concerns in a bipartisan way. but i don't understand why we can't sit down and come together with some kind of a compromise to move forward. that's the frustrating part for us because we are impacted. our state is very much into international trade. in utah we're unique in that we speak 130 different languages so we speak the world's languages. our exports are growing exponentialally. t.p.p. is a very important thing for us to resolve as we have opportunities. 93% of all the customers outside the -- is outside america. so it's a global marketplace. we need to understand that and find ways to interact with each other in the world. and by the way, as we do that, we will foster better relationships. it's not only just for economic benefit, but it will help bring about more world peace and understanding and harmony that comes with economic trade. so on many levels it's an important thing to do and we would call upon those who are

fighting this on both sides of the aisle to come together and let's find the compromise and let's move ahead. we don't have to have this thing being kicked down the road, the proverbial can kicked. the president's been onboard. many republicans have been onboard. let's get together and finally get this done. david: governor mcauliffe, tough issue in your party right now. governor mcauliffe: very tough issue. at the end of the day, the governors are responsible in your state, in your political structure are the chief job creators. we are responsible. if unemployment goes up, unemployment goes down, you either get the credit or you get the blame. nobody in congress. it falls upon us. i look at it simply as a job creating activity. what i always said to the democrats -- and the rhetoric in this presidential campaign has just been so over the top. everyone for their own personal

woes. a lot of them blame trade for the reason they don't have a job. it's a complex issue. you can't just blame china and korea for them taking our jobs. it's not how you compete. as gary said, 95% of the world's customers are outside america. you give me a bill that you negotiate the labor to make sure the labor wages and things are protected which they have done with this t.p.p. you get us a fair agreement. i tell you i will go compete against china any day of the week and japan and korea. we'll beat them. give us a level playing field. to put our heads like an ost ridge in the sand and say we couldn't compete, we are doing a disservice. let the metrics speak for themselves. our trade is growing, booming, but the biggest factor is if we don't do this, to really incapsulize this, china will write the rules for these 11 nations and we will be left out. david: one last question.

this is iowa, we are in a presidential election year, the national conventions are starting next week. i have two battleground state governors here, virginia and iowa. well, i've seen some reports that say utah could be in play. i would just like very quickly ask you to put your political hats on as the most successful politics in your respective state, what's the handicap in virginia, governor mcauliffe? governor mcauliffe: most polls have hillary up six to eight points. i feel very confident we'll win the state. president obama was the first democrat to win virginia since 1964 and he won it twice. won it pretty handedly. the message of job creation, economic development. i think she's in a very strong position. she would be a little stronger if hillary would take my advice and pick our junior senator to be her vice-presidential candidate. that would help -- take a lot of pressure off of me, i can tell you. david: you know, governor, i

first met you in 2008. campaigned for hillary clinton. she lost. this cycle you weren't able to spend a lot of time here in iowa and she won. governor mcauliffe: way to hit it on the head. i visited every county if you remember. i visited every county. this time i got to four counties and i think that's why she won. david: be careful. get some speculation. governor herbert, do you think utah is in play? governor herbert: i don't think it's in play from the standpoint of electing a democrat. it's a pretty red state. it's almost 3-1 republican versus democrat, registered. we have a large unaffiliated group that is persuadeable. the latest polls show mr. trump up about six or nine points in utah. i think once we get through the cycle i think it's hard for me to concede utah won't go republican.

particularly if mr. trump puts a governor as part of his ticket in the vice president. we're kind of partial to governors and i think that will help strengthen his appeal in utah and across the country. we have to wait and see. i know they deferred the announcement. it was going to happen today. i'm hopeful a governor is his pick for v.p. i think it will help him in utah. david: a lot of talk is going to happen. what's the handicap here in iowa? governor branstad: well, this is probably the wildest and craziest presidential race we've ever seen and i'm sure we're going to see a lot more activity between now and election day. i think the polls show it could go either way in iowa. i've seen polls that show hillary up by one or two points. i've seen polls trump up by one or two points. e have a strong organization that helped me in 2014. we're benefited with senator grassley. grassley has not missed a vote

in 20 years. he goes to every county every year. he works extraordinarily hard. he has $5 million in the bank. i think he will be a really strong help to the republican ticket. we have three incumbent republican congressmen and we have a great chance to win the state senate. we have some really good candidates that are working extraordinarily hard going door to door, raising money. so i think it's going to be -- i was a very competitive state -- iowa is a very competitive state and i want to try to do my part to help trump carry the state. my son, eric, was there yesterday in cleveland with the rules committee and that went well and so i agree with governor herbert. having a republican governor on the ticket would be helpful. like him, i'm partial to governors. governors are problem solvers.

they're the chief executive. they know what needs to get done. david: i could talk politics with the three of you all day long but i'm out of time and i have to turn this back over to you, governor herbert. they asked me to have you, all the governors who are here to now step up to the podium and the three of you to go to the podium and get questions from the audience. overnor herbert. governor herbert: governor bell, hogan from maryland, idaho. i don't know if we need this podium here. so, again, we're honored to be here as we begin our national governors association conference and, again, our initiative we've had this year for the governors is in fact states solving problems and improving people's lives. each sta, we'll highlight --

we'll have some publications to put out. we'll also have a webpage which shows some of the great successes that the states are in fact having. and, again, it gives me hope, frankly, and i think for a lot of people in their respective states they see things improving. that's because of the good work of the governors. i think sometimes we as the american public are trying to get washington to do more of the issues and sophomore of the problems than they're capable of doing when it should be left to the respective states. so we're honored to be here in iowa. now if there's any questions you have we'll be happy to answer those questions. >> [inaudible] about t.p.p. could you express briefly the opinions you shared there? >> in louisiana we have the largest port complex in the country and one of the largest in the world and so in addition to the manufacturers and the

foreign products we produce in louisiana that we're looking to export, we are also facilitating the export of products from across the country, including agricultural products right here from iowa. so it is a big deal for louisiana, the trans-pacific partnership, especially in light of the panama canal being expanded so we'll have larger vessels. and we have an opportunity to capture more of the market, but this partnership needs to be ratified so that we can take full advantage of it, and those were the sentiments that i expressed this morning. this is about economic investment, job creation in louisiana and it shows the interdependence of the states but also of the world. i am mindful that 95% of all the people that we want to sell services and goods to don't live in the united states. and so we have to have that access. thank you for the question.

governor herbert: we've been joined by governor padilla of puerto rico. dias.nos >> [inaudible] >> governor herbert: we see terrorism taking place. we'll have a report on that in our governors only meeting. one thing i can say that i think we all understand is the public safety is really not a partisan issue. the proper role of government s to keep us safe. i know our governors are taking that seriously. would any of you would like to speak about any of your issues? >> governor branstad: i mention that governor deyton was trying to be here. because of issues they are having in minnesota couldn't be

here. governor sandoval, they had -- he was here yesterday. he went back to nevada because a bombing occurred. not terrorist-related activity but it was a bombing that killed one person. it was the perpetrator who died. there were several homes that were damaged in a small town in northern nevada. so governors -- and i guess my advice to a governor is, whenever you have an incident, be it a natural disaster or something that happens, it's important for the governor to be there to reassure the people and support the local authorities as well as the others in law enforcement that are protecting the safety. in iowa we're really blessed to have a great public safety department and many wonderful local law enforcement people. they're providing yeoman's service to us for this n.g.a. meeting we're hosting.

i want to say how much i personally appreciate and respect all those people that risk their lives every day to protect our safety and well-being. i'm very honored and very blessed to live in one of the afest states in the country. governor herbert: next uestion. [inaudible] >> would any of you like to alk about medicaid's frayed, ste and -- medicaid's fraud, waste and abuse. >> in louisiana on january 12 of this year we expanded the medicaid program, and we used the existing framework to expand the program where we have manage care organizations that we're administering.

governor edwards: we don't do a traditional fee for service. we transferred the risk of loss associated with fraud, waste and abuse away from the state and to the managed care organization who is are in that business. and so we have that per member per month that we're paying per covered life and we transferred that risk to a very large degree and i believe it's working in louisiana. it's one of the ways that we were able to gain so much support in the legislature and in the state as a whole to demonstrate we're not doing that traditional fee for service and the fraud, waste and abuse is not only being minimized but where it exists is not coming at the taxpayers' expense. governor herbert: we created an inspector general's office with the primary focus of reviewing medicaid, see if there is any fraud, waste or abuse. the fact where someone has primary responsibility to review is certainly added to the efficiencies.

and so there isn't waste. we don't see a lot of fraud with it in utah. but the fact there's a watchdog taking a hard look probably helps prohibit and prevent some kind of fraud, certainly making us be more careful with the dollars so there's less waste. any other questions? anything you feel compelled to talk about? well, we have a great program lined up for you. we hope you will be part of that today and tomorrow. did , we have governors -- i lose the microphone? ok. i know how it is in iowa. we're honored to be here in iowa and, again, the national governors association, which is a bipartisan group bringing people together, solving problems in a bipartisan way. i think you'll find this association is a good example of how it ought to be.

and we hope that others, particularly in washington, d.c., will look at us as maybe a good example of how we can work together. again, we don't see things the same way but we have mutual respect for what's being done in the states. we are the laboratories of democracy. we are a little pilot program going out there trying to experiment anything we learn from each other and we steal from the best. and we sometimes modify and improve or make it a little different to adjust to our own regional differences but it's a wonderful system that our founding fathers created with these united states of america. so i'm honored to be the chairman with these wonderful men and women who are leading in such a profound way and in a difficult time in our country and our world's history. again, we're honored to have everybody here and we look forward to starting our first session here in about 10 minutes so thank you. [applause]

>> the national governors association summer meeting getting under way in des moines with the morning news conference. they will be back in about 20 minutes or so for the open plenary sessions with sessions later today on health care issues, jobs and economic growth and we'll bring you live coverage here on c-span. just released, there's news from the donald trump campaign. he tweets out, i am pleased to announce that i have chosen governor mike pence as my vice-presidential runningmate. news conference tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. stay tuned for coverage plans. donald trump chooses mike pence to be his vice-presidential runningmate. our live coverage plans on c-span2, remarks from the former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan on future u.s. policy in syria.

we'll hear about the ongoing violence of isis and what the u.s. can do about that. it's an event hosted by the center for the national interest. that's coming up at noon eastern over on c-span2. and back to the "road to the white house coverage," house and senate are done for the summer but next week in cleveland the republican national convention gets under way with gavel-to-gavel coverage beginning monday here on c-span. we recently spoke with a reporter who shares what cleveland has done to get the city ready for the big event. >> people in city leadership will tell you they've been working for about 10 years. it's been a real process. the fundamental thing the city will be -- will need is to be able to handle it. cleveland sought conventions in the past. they were unsuccessful in 2008 and they told them at the time they lacked the recognize which sent number of hotel rooms needed. you need 16,000 hotel rooms. you need to have enough nearby venues that people have places

to go before and after the sessions. and other than that, i mean, a big factor as well is fundraising and just being able to -- local communities are expected to pay for these things to some degree. it fell short in 2008. the stumbling block was a number of hotel rooms close to the convention site. what they've done, a big one, they built a convention center hotel. the county government used a sales tax hike to pay for it. it has about 600 rooms, 32 stories tall. that was the big one. found out july, 2014, they got a phone call. since then it's been accelerating some of the public works projects in effect. one of the things you'll see is there a public square downtown which is like a public park that's been made into more of a park than it used to be. there's been a lot of road repaving, you know, more kind of run-of-the-mill things like that where they want to make it look nice. there is a convention economy

that springs up and follows the conventions as they go from town to town. there's been consultants here for the better part of 18 months who are trying to get restaurants onboard with them and help broker events. i think for a lot of them, unless they have somebody like that helping them they are sort of flying blind because the road closures were repeatly announced. they don't know what kind of security restrictions are going to be in place. but i think a lot of the places downtown are ready. i think they're expecting to be busy. but it's hard to expect until it actually gets here. a big part of it has been just trying to recruit the raw number of police officers they need to get here. they've been very secretive about that. it's hard to ascertain how it's proceeded. they're having a hard time getting police to agree to do that. i think that could have been blown up because of the attention it's attracting and intrigue. clearly they're having trouble

meeting some of those early numbers they're trying to reach. it seems it's kind of quieted down and we think it will be all right. it's one of those things at the end of the day people may not notice it was an issue but it's a challenge for them. they've been recruiting officers, training officers to be ready for it. they've been spending a federal grant they received about $50 million on equipment, things like vehicles, things like, they call it personal protective equipment, which is basically riot gear and medical supplies and things like that. we had a lawsuit that was filed by the aclu that was resolved at this point. we expect there's going to be a number of groups that will be following an official parade route, quote-unquote parade, the will go past downtown, cleveland indians ballpark. it's hard to know because there's estimates of how many protests will show up.

there's interest in this year's election. the republican party presumptive nominee is controversial. cleveland is a pretty easy spot to get to. in tampa in 2012 it's like the corner of america. i expect there will be a robust presence. there will be people set up in a couple of the parks downtown. cleveland said there's no barriers for people so if they want to approach the security perimeter itself so we could see people throughout the streets. again, i guess we'll find out when it comes. we had the -- the cavs had a victory parade after winning the championship here. that brought a million people downtown. things were backed up and closed down. i think compared to that it may not be so bad. one of the things that will be nice, we do have a rail system here. up with s super backed the cavs parade it should be up for the r.n.c. i imagine people will be avoiding downtown because there's going to be a citywide

street parking ban. a lot of parking garages may be getting repurposes to keep police cars. i think people will be clear of downtown. because of cleveland's reputation or maybe lack of reputation they don't really think they're going to see much when they get here. something that's cool about cleveland, they have a workable urban lifestyle in a small area. there is a really good food scene here. a lot of good restaurants and bars that will be near the convention space. i think people will be impressed. they may have a low bar coming in but cleveland is a pretty fun place. . >> here's a c-span tweet showing all the balloons for the republican national convention arriving in cleveland and currently being set up at the quicken loans arena downtown. and for a tour of that arena we recently spoke with the convention advisor. >> we're outside the quicken loans arena. this is the facility where the

2016 republican national convention is going to take place. we're standing on level four of the quicken loans arena, and we're in one of the suites. normally a hospitality suite, which is being converted for broadcast purposes for c-span. and on this level there are some hospitality suites for guests, but there are also about 30 broadcast media suites. nd i was involved in the early -- to get these suites for the media. to get that share. which is about normal. it's about what we normally do. while we get the total number, there are actually assigned individually through an immediate process through the house radio television gallonry. c-span did they well by c-span with you in this location. where delegates will be seated facing all of them facing the stage, which we call the podium. we call it the podium complex. and while that seating chart has

not been announced, it usually is kind of a fan shape with people all facing as you who have move out, they face inward towards the complex. we have aisles, enter aisle and side aisle so people can move. and media who have floor passes can move. and what not. we'll see that next week when the plan comes out and when the seats go down. and when the state sanctions, where it shows where the state seating will be and all the color will come in and take place and you'll get a view of it. there are a number of standup broadcast positions. some of those are at floor level on each end on the end zones. and then there are two huge network anchor booths at the far end for cnn and nbc. they opted for those positions. it cost them more to build than the others. three others, fox, abc, and cbs

are in upper -- a level up in what were handicapped seating areas where they had built on them. we have other ample handicap seating else where of course in taking those positions. so you have the broadcasters up here that are -- we call them nonnetwork. that means they are not one of those five. they may be affiliates of some of those. and then we have those same groupings with stand up positions on the floor and some up on the level in handicap broadcasting areas, too. so they are everywhere. down on the floor if you can see them, there are two major side camera stands. those will have television pool camera on the front tier and still photographers on the upper tiers. the same way the big center camera stand, if you can see it from here, that faces the podium. it will have two pool camera television cameras and our house production camera on the front

tier. and the upper tees will be still photographers. the press seats are in. they are fixed poxes with tables and electrical -- fixed positions with table and electrical. they are now decorated with their red, white, and blue, and the stars. they look real fine. the stage reflects a trend started in 1996 in san diego with steps in the front. those steps were put in and the podium that we call the stage was lowered somewhat to give more feeling of openness. not like a 10-foot high battleship approach where you look down on the delegates. and that has endured. we had steps in every design since then. this design was brought to us by our executive producer and his company and the designer from los angeles and another designer

from new york. they have done this for us before and are experts at it. you can see it has large screens and it has lighted steps. what we aren't seeing today is the tremendous way we can vary the look of this with lights. not just on the steps, but everything. the lights can change many colors throughout the stage. as you will see, people will enter from one side and make their speech at the point and they'll exit from the other side. there's a small band stand to one side where a house band will keep the flavor. there could be some other entertainment. we mentioned the lighting grid and other things that hang. the lighting tresses itself is 1 40,000 pounds which reminds me when we went into the houston astrodome in 1992. it had been built very rapidly. there were no records to show what the ceiling would hold.

and most they every hung on there was 40,000 to 50,000 pounds and we were going to hang at least 125,000 pounds. we had to do these studies to see that it would hold our weight. we did. it was also an accoustical disaster for a convention because it wasn't built for spoken word at floor level. there was an echo in there if you said something loudly at floor level, it echoed throughout the place in some capacity for 17 seconds. sound would go into some of the kev vasts and come out like an echo chamber louder than it went in. we had to do a deal with that, too. that brings us to the fact that these sports arenas are more modern. this one is. we had some accoustical improvements to make here for our particular sound from floo level. they are going to work fine. but -- floor level. they are going to work fine. this is our fifth straight

convention in a sports arena of approximately this size. prior to that we were in two domed stadiums, that was the superdome in new orleans in 1988 and the astrodome in houston in 1992. but for now at least this has become the standard of what you see. we're in what is going to be known as media row. media row an extension and variation of what traditionally has been known as radio talk show row. this time it was the idea of our communications director to vary it and enhance it and make it more than just radio talk shows. it will have broadcast positions in here and also the digital media. the new angle this is the digital age and that will all be in here. there will be defined spaces of different variations. we have quite a scenic design will be in here to spruce this place u you can see a few of the initial panels. they just started on the design today. this is the very beginning of that.

ofwill be a very popular hub activity during the convention. interviews going constantly. constantly. all the time. and it's a good place to come by nd see and be involved in. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> the primary season is over with historic conventions to follow this summer. >> colorado. >> florida. >> texas. >> watch as the delegates consider the domination of the first woman ever to head a major political party. and the first nonpolitician in several decades. watch live on c-span. listen on the c-span radio app or get video on demand at c-span.org. you have a front row seat to every minute of both conventions on c-span. all beginning on monday.

>> just three days before that republican convention, donald trump tweeting this morning, i am pleased to announce i have chosen governor mike pence of indiana as my vice presidential running mate. news conference tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. look for live coverage here on c-span. we take you live now to the iowa event center in des moines. our coverage today, our live coverage today of the national governors association summer meeting. they got under way this morning at about 10 with their morning gathering and news conference. we expect sessions beginning shortly on health care issues, jobs, and economic growth. and all of that live here on c-span.

>> on the right of the screen there next to the chair's governor hogan, republican governor of maryland, and also we think that's governor ducey from arizona to his left. this is the national governors association annual meeting, their summer meeting. their session's about to get under way beginning this morning with the discussion on health care issues. governor hogan, by the way, one of the only, if not the only republican governor who said he would not endorse donald trump. donald trump announcing via twitter this morning he has selected indiana governor mike pence to be his running mate. we'll find out more tomorrow at 11:00 eastern when they are expected to make it official. reports say that mike pens -- pence is in new york city. we'll keep you posted on our coverage plans. count on us having that live for

you tomorrow on c-span. ahead of the republican national convention, getting under way monday in cleveland, we'll have gavel to gavel coverage, including digital director samantha osborne spoke with us about the technology being used at the 2016 convention, including a new g.o.p. onvention app and snap chat. sty here live in des moines waiting for the morning session to get under way of the national governors association summer meeting. and again the sessions today expected to talk about health care. also economic growth and jobs. later today we'll have that live

for you on c-span. we're also expected to bring you live later this afternoon coverage of the white house briefing and also understand that president obama this afternoon, sometime this afternoon, 3:10 eastern will make a statement about the terror attacks yesterday in nice, france, which so far have reportedly killed over 84 people. so look for coverage of that on the c-span networks as well.

>> ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats and silence all cell phones and other electronic devices. >> lainl, please take your seats. there's more seats in the back if you'd like to move down.

>> ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats, we're about to begin. governors and distinguished guests, please rise for the presentation of the colors followed by our national anthem. presenting the colors today are distinguished service members with the iowa honor guard,

performing the national anthem is local renowned opera singer, simon esties, please remain standing until the color guard exits the hall.

>> o say can you see y the dawn's early light what's so proudly we hailed t the twilight's last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight watched ramparts we were so gallantly streaming, and the rocket's red glare, the bomb's bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there

o, say does that star spangled anner yet wave o'er the land of the free, and ♪e home of the brave [applause]

>> please be seated. let me as chairman of the national governors association welcome you-all to our opening plenary session for the 2016 national governors association summer meetings. we're honored to be here in des moines, iowa, and appreciate the opportunity to gather together and talk about important issues facing our states and the nation. ertainly want to thank simon esties, who just gave us that wonderful rendition of the national anthem. we could have listened to him in

all four verses. please give simon a round of applause for a beautiful rendition. [applause] governor herbert: it's probably more poignant today as we start, as we do sing the national anthem, as we gather together, we know there's been some tragedy that's taken place. one of our own governors had to leave and go back to nevada to take care of some issues there. a tragedy that's occurred. we know that's part of what happens sometimes on our watch, but as i see what happened in nice, france, yesterday and 84 victims there, two americans that we know of, the tragedies in baton luge, louisiana, dallas, texas, falcon heights, minnesota, and others i think it would be very appropriate for us to just pause and recognize that our thoughts and prayers are with these people and their neighbors, friends, and family, and we wish them.

let's just take a moment of silence in their behalf of the victims. thank you. now, let me again not only welcome but thank everyone for coming. i know your schedules are very busy as governors and we appreciate your taking time to come here and participate in our summer meetings. we know not only what you have in your respective states, it is a presidential election year and a lot of things are going on with the different parties so we know you're busy and taking time out of your busy stead skedles to participate in our summer meetings. i want to recognize some of our distinguished guests here. we have always these folks here are distinguished, and certainly our guests, but let me recognize japan, have from

overnor shin gi hei, governor high deco yasaki, we have mbassador from vietnam and singa more. senator willfred moore from canada. this is his last time with us by the way. so we're honored to have you here and your last time with our meetings. we wish you well. also recognize we have some special guests from the white house in our governmental affairs in jerry abramson and adrian sands. we're honored to have them here with us today, too. let me also take the time to recognize our corporate sponsors. we have partners that help us put this on. for over 30 years the national governors association has partnered with the private sector recognizing that a lot of

the work we do impacts the private sector. certainly we appreciate not only their financial contributions but their intellectual contributions to help us understand policy, to help us in the respective states get policy correct, and make sure the marketplace is working as effectively as it can on behalf of our citizens. we appreciate their financial support. we appreciate them being here today with us. we thank them all. so please give a round of applause for our guests that are here, corporate sponsors, all making this possible today. [applause] i want to recognize scott patterson, our executive director and his staff, again, for the work they are doing in putting this on. scott, we appreciate the good hard work you have done leading up to this. so we thank you for your work, too. before i turn some time over to our host, governor terry branstad, i would like to make sure we go through -- we need to

take some business action here. adoption of the rules of procedure which would be appropriate for us that we have activities. today's i entertain a motion to proceed and adop the rules of procedure. -- adopt the rules of procedure. so moved. second? second. thank you. any discussion? all those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. motion carries. thank you very much. the motion is approved. by the way, i know our policy process, we have adopted process two years in our winter meetings, if anyone has any questions, please see anna davis of the staff and she can go over those with you if you have any questions and need some clarification. with that governor branstad we're honored to be here in your beautiful state in des moines. we appreciate your hospitality. we have joked it gives us all as governors a chance to come and visit you in iowa and not have

to be running for president to do it. we're honored to be with you. why don't you come forward and make an official welcome if you ould, terry. governor branstad: governor herbert, thank you very much. governor herbert, governor mcauliffe, and fellow governors and guests, we're honored and pleased to welcome you to this 2016 national governors association summer meeting on behalf of first lady chris branstad and the people of iowa, welcome to our beautiful capital city. we hope you enjoy your time here . we're proud to have this in this convention center which was the old vets auditorium where i watched a lot of basketball games and wrestling meets. and it's really been renovated

and made into a wonderful place to have meetings like this. you may have noticed there's a hole in the ground next door where they are going to have a convention hotel. and a lot of other exciting things going on. i hope all of you enjoyed the reception last night in our beautiful state capitol building. we started renovation of that building in 1983 and my first 16 years as governor, the renovation went on. i'm proud to say it's now done. although one of the rooms had a fire and we still have some work to do on that, but we certainly hope you enjoyed last night. this is the 21st n.g.a. summer meeting that i have attended, but it is the first one i have had the honor of hosting. i want to thank the n.g.a. for their work and the opportunity for the governors to come together where we can share ideas with each other and solutions that work in our individual states. and i have learned a lot from these meetings over the years

and copied some of the great ideas from other governors. we have a lot of great events ahead of you the next couple days. tonight we have a taste of des moines, the governors are spouses are invited to that. we hope you will enjoy local cuisine from some of the best chefs in the state of iowa. after that we'll move to the world food prize hall of laureates, in the east village, to hear the des moines metro opera and the other guests of course will already be there. and then tomorrow in addition to our meetings, in the evening we'll have a special night at the iowa state fair grounds to experience just a small sample of what iowans get to enjoy each year when we have the iowa state fair. and nothing compares to the iowa state fair. it was recently named the best state fair in america. i'm proud to say the fair

grounds as well have been totally renovated. so there's going to be some of the activities open, not the whole fair ground, but it should be a great time and enjoyable opportunity. and also an opportunity to taste pork chop on a stick and many of the other iowa specialties we have at the iowa state fair. we look forward to many productive discussions within the next few days, and also i want to note some things you may have noticed on the first level coming up. would encourage you to stop by and check out the iowa history and innovation pavilion. down there there's information about the caucus history and about iowa's innovative activities going on at our universities and other places. please visit those booths. i would also encourage you to sign up and participate in the community service project, which

is packaging meals for the iowa food banks. this is -- we have a wonderful program where we package meals and help people throughout the world, but also to help with people in need here in our own state. and on sunday morning several of us are going to be participating in that, and we would encourage you and others that the governors and also others that are here for the n.g.a. to participate as a way we can give back and help people in need here in this state as well as around the world. again, we're honored and proud to have you in des moines and we hope you'll enjoy this summer meeting of the n.g.a. thank you. [applause] governor herbert: thank you, terry. thank chris, too, for your hospitality and all those involved with the iowa contingency to make this a success for us today. as we start today's opening

session, i just want to recognize our great vice chair, governor terry mcauliffe, from virginia, who has been very supportive of my initiative and has been a great addition to our team here. we appreciate, terry, all that you have done and looking forward to you taking over here in a few days. our initiative that i started, again hopefully everybody still has cards we passed out. we pass them out to anybody who is interested, talking about states, finding solutions, improving lives. as governor branstad talked about. states are the innovators. those out there finding the needs of the public they serve and finding ways to solve those problems. usually unique, innovative ways as respective states should do. it's been a quick year. as we have had this as an initiative. and it's been really encouraging to me as we looked and seen the different things that the respective states, our 50

states, five territories that have really accomplished a eally remarkable things. the motivation behind the initiative is to make sure that the public is aware of the puck sesses of our respective states. that you as governors are accomplishing great things. and many times in bipartisan ways, with divided states and the republican and democratic governors are finding successes throughout this country, and dealing with the problems that they face in their respective states, and sometimes we get lost in a little bit in the shuffle with some of the dysfunctionality that we see exhibited in washington, d.c. so the ability for us to highlight the states is important for the public to understand and know. we have created a book that you have there at your table that really highlights the limited extent, because there's so many we could have put in here, of

different examples of what you're doing that really -- that are really quite remarkable. we always understand as we come together as governors of the national governors association we have an opportunity to share best prack -- practice, to learn from each other, the things you're doing in the respective states, maybe take and incorporate in our own states. make some modifications to represent our different cultures, the different regions of the country, maybe the different politics. but nevertheless this associate, this networking capability i have found in my experience as governor to be a very valuable -- to be very valuable. we first down the policies and solutions you have come up with have been innovative. they have been relevant to the times. they certainly have been good for public policy and good for the public as you are doing things, recognizing all we do in government really has to do with people. and helping improve people's lives. and you're doing it in such a

great way. we have, in fact, three examples. we could have had many more. but for the sake of time we'll just highlight three here today. iowa, for example, again governor branstad, under his leadership they have taken a significant review and looked at what can we do to help returning veterans as they come back to the state? significantly they helped them transition back into civilian life and find employment and jobs and opportunity for them economically. and it's called the home base iowa program. we'll learn more about that here in a few minutes. virginia, governor mcauliffe, again has created a cybersecurity team. and commission that's doing significant work to help us prevent the hacking that's going on. most all of our states now are having a challenge, uniquely so, with cybersecurity. millions of attempts per day are

systems by those who like to hack in. his commission brings together secretaries from all state, agencies and citizens, with relevant backgrounds to help combat that as we have ever more sophisticated cybersecurity attack that face all of us in our states. we'll learn more about that. and my state of utah, again, i'm proud of the efforts not only have we done economically, which is the challenge for all of us to grow the economy, but we also recognize that need for safety net for those who fall through the cracks for a variety of reasons. and we addressed i think a very positive way in utah what we can do to stop those who are falling through cracks or in poverty, particularly intergenerational poverty. we devised a plan going forward that seems to be working well. if the results mean anything, our poverty rates in utah are 1/3 lower than the national average. which is a significant

reduction. and our youth poverty is 50% below the national average. we have come up with plans that respect our 29 different counties and in our state to address their unique needs. we have data collection where we track families and find out what's taking place economically, educationally, health wise to see what we can do to intercept and stop this intergenerational cycle of poverty. and in doing so we have been able to coordinate our agencies in ways we have not done before, whether it's the governor and legislature working together with education, our department of health, juvenile courts, eth, to make sure particularly the rising generation we give them the tools to break that intergenerational poverty cycle. we'll hear more about that in a few minutes. i'm proud of the work that we're all doing in our respective states. we could go on and on about this with the colleagues we have here in the room and highlight many

different success stories. i'll just conclude here then we'll have some panel discussion here. on the card we passed out i think it helps us all to remember, again, the states really as laboratories of democracy is not by accident, it's by design. our founding fathers talked about the united states of america. and james madison in trying to get the constitution ratified talked about the powers given to this new stronger federal government, but he said those powers are few and defined. we know them as the enumerated powers found in the constitution. and he said to the states we're concerned about this federal government going to take away our abilities that we had under the articles of confederation? he said not to worry because although the powers designated to the federal government are few and defined, those given to the states are numerous and indefinite. i think those lines have been blurred over time. i think it's time for us as

states to reassert our unique position as states to help solve problems. and we're in many ways in better positions, more nimble, more close to the people, i think the ability for us to act and solve problems is being demonstrated by you as governors by the success stories you have provided to us that are highlighted here in our purple book. i think purple by design by the way to show this is bipartisan on our successes. with that let me just say that we're going to have an opportunity now to have a little more in-depth discussion and highlight some of these successes that we're having. and to do that we have emmy and peabody award winning radio host, john hockenberry with us, we're honored to have him here and we have our state solutions panel to talk more about the initiatives that i have mentioned. let me introduce him to you here. john has reported from all over the globe as a journalist throughout his career.

he has spoken at design and idea conferences around the world, including the famous ted talk conference that is we know so well. for the past eight years john has hosted the public raidy nyc,ram, the take away, on w america's week day conversation on news of the day. he is the moderator of our panel here today to moderate a panel and help us please join with me as we welcome john hockenberry to the stage. thank you. [applause] senator grassley: also behind me we have our -- governor herbert: also behind me we have the policy initiative in utah. thank u [applause] governor herbert: barry, chesterfield county, virginia. give him a welcome. and also bryant, vet ram home

base of iowa here. we're honored to have all these special guests here. we'll now turn the time over to mr. hockenberry, thank you. john: thank you, governor herbert. it's great to be heemplet i have been covering these he conferences for decades. i go back a long, long way. not with some of you. though many of you have been upon my show. governor mcauliffe, mchutchison. governor malloy has been on the program a couple times. the idea of the takeway is to take news events that are compelling and have emotional and political significance containing a certain amount of suspension -- suspense, and to think them through so we have a way of reacting to them that's not purely emotional and purely brainstem. there is a lot of brainstem in politics these days. i think our idea on the take away is to empower people to

think a moment and then to talk and to understand the conversations are better as a result. in many ways what you're doing here in the states is an example of that. i'll get to that in just a moment. i want to reminisce just a little bit. i was over at the des moines marriott, i remember the old days when governor connolly would like ride a horse. the summer meetings of all governors. governors out of washington, outside of washington, you lose the blue suit and the red tie thing. not so much anymore. but you'd get people in their ctual natural habitat. higen has an animal hat you might get him to wear. again things have gotten so corporate in every walk of life. certainly in journalism is just the same. mario cuomo, i remember the old days, used to autograph the bill of rights and highlight places

that he said he would have thought of if he had been one of the framers. people believed him. and bill clinton, he was too young to order beer, but branstad would always get it for him. because all the democrats were squared of him and they didn't want to do anything for him. branstad was around back then. if you believe any of that -- seriously, i think we lose sight of the human elements, the face-to-face element of governance, which is what the best practices of governor herbert and this panel is really all about. i am a product of a state initiative. when i had my car accident that resulted in spinal cord injury that was permanent back in the 1970's, the federal options were you get on social security or s.s.i. and i was just in college at the time, and the fed said here, and that was it. and i would say, well, i would

like to get a job. my federal case worker would say, don't do that. you'll leeze the check. -- you'll lose the check. i want to get a job. then you'll lose the check. and that was sort of it. my vocational rehabilitation rehab counselor on the other hand had a whole set of ideas. some of them were really stupid. i studied math in college and they thought maybe it was a good idea for me to screw nuts on to olts and count them. it was still developing at the time. but ultimately voc rehab paid for my further college education and i kind of foolaled you-all because i was studying mathematics. i don't think any of you would have suspected at the state level in michigan that i would go on to become a journalist and spend the rest of my career criticizing government, sorry about that. you sort of created a mopster.

it's a good kind of monster. as we think about terrorism and we think about the increasing tensions both racially and otherwise, in our society and how politicians are going to have to deal with those, and how each of you have had to deal with those and will have to deal with those, it's pretty clear to me this election may be decided by the extent to which one candidate has thought through what you do when the truck comes to an american city. like it did yesterday in nice. or the candidate that just reacts with a kind of brainstem reaction. because in a time of crisis, and you have seen it all at the state level, whether it's a crisis of fire -- burning building, earthquake, hurricane, floods, or a financial crisis, or just a family losing its

ability to function, to sustain tself, in that crisis it's the helpers who are closest to home. that matter most. and you are the boss of them. as my kids like to say. you are the ones who direct the individuals who are closest to the crisis and empower them with the autonomy to make decisions to improve their lives. it worked for me. and so much of the debate around federal policy comes down to states' rights. that's argued before the supreme court. state's rights is an important historical issue throughout american history. we cannot allow states rights to be a wedge to prevent governance from happening. states rights is important and states having the autonomy and the power to do what needs to get done is important. but we can't allow states' rights and arguments over states' rights to prevent those

faces of the first responders, of the counselors, of the people who represent governance to americans who are in crisis from doing their work. we have three of them here with us today. first of all, thanks so much for coming. that was sincere applause i think we got because you do do the work on the ground that governor herbert says are the best practices we should all think about when we think about government. barry, what is it about the state that attracted you to make decision that is have affected the rest of your life? state government and the programs available in state government that to your great surprise caused you to make some decisions that have changed your life? barry: that was my introduction into public service, john. i spent two years in the virginia information technologies agency before i went into local government and public certificate vase. it was my introduction to helping people and getting close to the citizens. i have seen their resources that

are available at the state and how they can help at the local level. that's been very impactful in my career. john: how has the state and local partnership worked in your view? how have you been able to change people to be able to say to them, yes, we can help you to get from point a to point b? barry: we have a saying in chesterfield we're better together. partnerships are important at the local level. partnerships between localities and with the state. we put a number of programs into place with such -- such as the cybersecurity assessments. such as collaborating on other cyberevents. collaborating on standards, procurements. we see this as a full partner in our commission to make lives better for the citizens. john: does that mean you actually do stuff? or you set up task forces to study? barry: sometimes task forces do stuff, that's true. too. john: do task forces do stuff? tap if task forces do stuff.

barry: we do have task forces. we actually get things done. we use each other's procurements. we follow each other's recruiting guidance. we collaborate and pass standards on things like information security and information availability. john: how does state policy empower you to take citizens who are in crisis and move them to a different place? >> in utah i actually feel like i am really kind of blessed to be in utah because there is a caring behind all of the policies that we have. we really do want to help these people. libby: in my particular program i have some autonomy to set a schedule that works with the people that i'm working with. most offices for the department of work force services are open 8-5, and i have the ability to go to my customers,

participants, outside of those howers if i need to -- hours if i need to. if you have somebody and encouraging them to work and tell them they have to work with you between those hours that are usually work hours, it's been a lot easier for me to get to them for a time that suits them. so that we can plan ahead for their future. we can begin to work towards that employment, which always the goal is self-sufficiency for people. but some people are starting at a much lower level. and the policies have given me the opportunity to work with people. john: a policy gets enacted that says we're going to create incentives to get people to go from welfare to work, or from unemployment to work, and then the numbers maybe don't quite work out, the conclusion at the federal level is often, well, they didn't want to work or they actually don't want the program. what do you see in reality? libby: the reality is that with most of the people i see is that

they don't have the stability to work. they don't have the basic skills in place. they don't have a home. if you don't have a home it's really hard to keep a job because you are putting out all these other fires. my job is to kind of help them learn how to manage those fires so that they are not fires anymore. so they see them coming so they can maintain employment. can i find anybody a job, but -- i can find anybody a job, but having them keep that job is up to them. john: is there a time in your career when you went after hours a superior said to you you're not supposed to be doing that? you write the forms, write the checks, that's it? libby: there have been times where -- this program's been really good. it started about two years ago. the next generation kids program. but before that i was a case orker working and i did have

supervisor who would request the extra things i wanted to do. i wanted to accompany somebody to court. we have to be very careful with that, but at the same time this is a 19-year-old girl who is terrified. it's going to be a huge impact on her whatever happens. so some of those things i had to negotiate carefully and some supervisers are more supportive than others. john: the best practice that comes out of this program, and a lot of other programs arne the country, is that we shifted from an abstract incentive model for moving people from one situation to another, to a last mile consultant model, and that's what you are. you know where the programs are. you know where the information s you know what the needs are. and you are kind of coaching people to make that last mile. and that's not seen as some kind of charity, that's policy in action, right? libby: one of the policies on this program in particular that's really helping is my

caseload doesn't shift. whereas a lot of times caseloads will shift because there is a lot of turnover. i'm with these people whether they work or don't work and helping them to stabilize long-term so their children have that stable foundation and don't end up in the same situation. john: do other state workers involved in poverty programs like this do the same kind of thing that you do? is there an army of people like you coming down the pike? i know you have to feel blessed to live in utah. i think it's a condition of living in utah to feel blessed, right? thinking about the whole country. is this a skill that scales and transfers? libby: i think that it does. i have been in a lot of web webinars -- of web nars and things like that where the data driven part of this program that we're doing, the two generation approach is successful. and i think that can go to other places and really help out.

don't think -- a parent is not an identify lan. when you're trying to get parent a job, if you have a kid who the school is always calling to come get and they haven't learned how to advocate for themselves with that school, they don't keep the job long. john: finally, it seems like at the end of the day you actually have within you a lot of data about the behavior of people in real states of economic distress that could, if it went up the chain, could be influential in designing new policies that would help. anybody listening to you on force force libby: i really appreciate the governor and executive director have been supportive of what we have been doing. to hear the success stories, to hear how we're moving people -- every success is a step in this process because we're taking people from intergenerational poverty to self-sufficientcy. so every success is a stefment they have been really

supportive. ok, we're moving people forward. now they are stable enough to get education. now their health is stable enough for them to work. their children are graduating from high school. i had a few who were well behind and actually two sisters who i just had graduate this june because we were able to advocate with the schools. get in there. john: that's something they should be proud of? something youed you should be proud of. and something the state of utah should be proud of. that's the kind of part we like to see. brian? brian: i joined the air force when i was 18 years old. i wanted nothing more than to get out of iowa. get out of the small town. it took me 24 years moving around the world to realize this is where i want to be and where i want to raise my children. john: something really terrible happen to you around the world to cause you to come back here? brian: not being around my family. that was very hard. when you leave the military,

it's very hard. i interviewed for two jobs in my career. and so then hi to start putting a resume together and hi to translate things from -- i had to translate things from military speak into whatever speak the people understand what i'm saying. i'm a leader and a manager and i can spy on people and there's not a big market for that out in the world. john: not yet. brian: and i don't want to do that anymore. john: yeah, exactly. what attracted you about the states and what was it about state programs that were far more responsive than you ever thought they would be? rian: well, i was an in omaha, i retired there, got a job there, stay or go back to maryland to the national security agency, something like that. the incentives to move back here were great.

the military homebuyers assistance, the pension taxes and all those kind of things. i couldn't find a reason not to come home. john: in terms of the partnership that we're talking about, state and local partnership, what is it that your expertise has been -- federal investment -- your expertise, how have you been able to use that in the state partnership here and change things on the ground? brian: well, right away i found the biggest problem we had in the organization when i took over was information technology. when i worked at the national security agency, the federal government sent me to get a degree in information technology management. so taking those skills paid for by the federal government, i use them back in the state. john: do you find that when -- again, if you want to see making d machines for

textiles you go to the smithsonian in washington, right? if you want to see ancient computers you go to state government, right? so what kinds of changes were you able to make, and how did you get the message that we can do this, you're empowered to actually make some real changes? brian: i'm not sure how to answer this. john: well, you're responsible for innovation and information technology. brian: yeah. john: you have an extraordinary degree of autonomy to do what you do. brian: i realized this week that my boss is saying, ok, i'm beg for to make you forgiveness. i hope to make things better, as we say, in our organization and enhancing the lives of

iowans. i want to serve again with the housing finance agency for the state, continue to do good things for people. john: what kinds of changes have you made? make the case where the state where you work is an innovation center for information technology. brian: the changes i made is explaining to people why we're doing things. as you probably understand, people won't listen to you when you tell them, don't use that thumb drive. they don't understand. that's what i'm hoping to be tell them ator and why we're enacting policies and help them build relationships there. john: how hard is it to influence change at a county level, berry? barry: i think it's changing culture. many -- chesterfield county, we had our culture since 1749,

right? these things can be hard to change, requires a lot of communication. requires a lot of explaining and a lot of meeting with people and a lot of putting things in terms people can relate to. so you have to leave the cyber speak and geek speak aside and you have to put people in their own terms that they can -- john: what kind of power adaptors did they use back in 1740, were they two-prong? i just have an iphone 5. seriously, when you have a culture that loves the way we've done things for the past, you know, 150 years, you know, it's up to the state to come in and say, all right, we'll do things differently. sometimes there's real suspicion of the federal government but how does a state, local partnership make that easier? barry: there's not as much

suspicion at the state, the local level, as there would be for the federal side. i think we try to stay close to the state initiatives. we like to know what's coming, we like to know what will be involved. we've seen a lot of way in the way the executive branch has been run in virginia with regards to technology as well cyber thanks to governor mcauliffe. they're coming along trying to learn, trying to pick up the new processes, trying to pick up the new initiatives. john: there's a lot of discussion in, you know, "wire" magazine and others that governance and the administrativection transactions that takes place at the local level will be the proving ground for a lot of technology and everything from elections to licensing and all kinds of things we associate as paperwork and form filling will be barcoded and will be a much different kind of transaction. have you thought far ahead on

some of the technological potential that exists in the way that you can see it, both you, barry and brian? barry: it's the magic ball kind of question. john: in theory, you can register someone to vote in a nicu, neo natal intensive care when nd they can vote they turn 18. barry: we've been formerly technology enabled to being technology dependent. it's sort of the amazon transaction. they want a shopping cart. they want to be able tyke care of their transactions in an orderly fashion. they want to be able to register the vote online, as you say. it's meeting citizen expectations at the local level with technology, something that we spent a great deal of time focusing on. you pay a price in terms of

security and other things. we try to be on the leading edge of the technology. not on the bleeding edge. john: how would you describe that bleeding edge versus leading edge, brian? brian: that's a tough question. i'm not sure i understand. john: can you see a very different way of transacting information in the future given your knowledge of what technology is capable of? brian: yeah. some point i'm kind of scared that technology is going to go too far. i don't like sometimes there's too much tracking of people. i had a boss that wouldn't pay for anything with a credit card. it was cash only because he idn't want anybody to know where he had been been. i try not to do anything bad because it doesn't matter to me. it's scary where the future can

go. too much data. john: very quickly. an aspiration given your success so far that you will be allowed to implement in the next five years, libby? libby: given my success so far -- john: what do you know you'll probably take next steps in i -- next steps? i want to explore. libby: the next thing i want to do, one of my goals, get our participants, they're really good on their own but there have been some programs when they're able to get together talk about their experiences, form a support system because that's really what a lot of people in intergenerational poverty lack. they either lack a support system or they are the support system with all of their limited resources. john: support systems work. it's like the national governors association which a lot of people don't know is the longest functioning support group for angry white males in

american history and it's been doing great, it's been doing absolutely great. that was a cheap shot. all right. all mine. you, barry, what do you think you're going to be doing in the next year or five years that you're confident the empowerment that you experienced will allow you to do? barry: i'm confident we'll use more technology for citizen engagement in chesterfield. our former county administrator was fond of saying we're better with the citizens when we can partner with the citizens in the process of government we are better. and so partnering with them through technology using things like social media, using things like critical analytics and letting them come in and tell us what they think about our budgeting process and so forth. we're dipping our toes in the water in the next five years. we'll see a mature and progressive approach to that. brian: i hope to work with the leadership, the home base iowa. i talked to jason, the person

in charge of it, and say let's figure out what the next steps are and make this better and move forward and make it better for veterans to come back to iowa so we don't use that great training and leadership ability to bring them back and we can use that for our state. john: brian, is it you or barry that's use the pokemon go seminar? thanks to the panel. they've done some really great work. they're available to talk to if you want. thank you for inviting me. it's great to be here, and i'll be back for a session this afternoon involving direct investment in the united states that many of you have experienced. thank you so much. and governor herbert, i'll turn it back to you. governor herbert: thank you, john. we appreciate you for taking your time and we appreciate you being here with us, this conference and our esteemed panel, thank you for sharing your expertise with us.

let's give them another round of applause. [applause] as we get set up for the next portion of our program, let me just add to this. i think as we look around at the challenges we face as a states now ably more than ever before need to be counted upon to help, again, the challenge we face to finding solutions and improving people's lives. i don't know if you had a chance but i hope you'll take a look at the book here. it's impressive what you all are doing. we can go around and highlight everybody here. i know earl ray is doing great things in west virginia in keeping youth out of correctional facilities, keeping them from committing crime. bill haslem has two free years of community college in tennessee to help with education, help expand the

economy. scott in wisconsin is doing great things when it comes to reducing the cost of health care which is a challenge for all of us we face. and on the last page, it talks about the western governors university which was started by 19 governors working together saying we can do better to provide opportunities, particularly the older student. average age is 37 years of age, getting a bachelors degree in three years online using no taxpayers' money. average cost is about $15,000 to get your degree with the estern governors university. again, a collaborative effort of governors is having a significant, positive result. over 600,000 graduates now. this solution of a problem that most of the public is not really aware of. so, again, this really highlights what the governors are doing and finding significant successes to the respective states and as the western governors university proves working together for the

common good and the needs of the people. so we thank you all for your efforts there. with that, as you recall in our winter meeting, in an effort to foster better relationships with the congress and to make sure we are in fact working together, thank you, again, panel -- as we're working together to improve the outcomes and working in concert with congress and seeing what we can do, we invited former governors who are now part of the senate. lamar alexander, joe manchin. let's see, mark warner from virginia. and others. again, that was a great panel to help us understand their perspective as former governors and what we can do to have better relationships with the congress as we work together to develop policy. and in that same vain, we'd like to continue the opportunity in the spirit of working together with our

colleagues and partners in the federal side of the equation. leaders in ited two the congress on the republican and democrat side to come and speak to us today. those two are senator chuck grassley here from iowa. senior senator. and democratic leader nancy pelosi. and we appreciate them both taking time to come and visit with us today. we'll hear from senator grassley today, and we'll hear from democratic leader pelosi tomorrow. we worked with their staffs. we have a series of questions we're going to ask after they made a presentation. the same question we'll ask both and get the perspective of the democratic and republican sides of the aisle as we help foster better relationships. so to introduce senator grassley, we asked governor branstad if he would do that. so terry, are you ready to do that? governor branstad: i sure am. chuck grassley is a dear friend

of mine. i met him when i was a student at the university of iowa and my family were democrats and friends said, you know, republicans are really not as bad as your parents told you. would you come to this college republican meeting and the young state representative chuck grassley was the speaker. then later -- that was in the 1960's. that was in 1966. in 1972 i ran for and got elected to the legislature. by that time chuck grassley already was one of the leaders in the legislature, chairman of the appropriations committee. and i was part of a bipartisan group he brought together to help control spending and keep the budget under control. and then in 1974 he was elected to the united states congress. in 1980 -- and i'm looking at

governor walker nodding over there. governor walker when he was a kid growing up in plainfield, iowa, chuck grassley was his state representative. so chuck grassley has been a great public servant for a long time. i just asked him, when's the last time you missed a vote in congress? it was during the flood of 1993 when he was here with president clinton. so he has not missed a vote since 1993. that's i think an all-time record for consecutive votes in congress. he goes to every county every year. is a farmer who has never forgotten his grassroots, and he's a great dedicated servant to the people of iowa and chairman of the judiciary committee in congress. and so we're really proud to have a farmer from iowa to chair that important committee, and i'm very proud to call him a good friend.

our senior senator, chuck grassley. [applause] grast thank you, all, very much. it's praveragee for me to be with you as chief executives of your respective states. but -- senator grassley: thank you, all, very much. it's a privilege for me to be with you as chief executives of your respective states. we don't have enough dialogue between congress and governors. we may between iowa, senators and congressmen and iowa governors but i don't think we do it often enough. you hear a lot about partisan ranker in washington. there's plenty of that. but sometimes even in an election year congress gets things done. that's especially true when we hear from states on what needs to be done, and we've heard on the issue i'm going to talk

about quite a bit, but also don't be surprised that congress maybe doesn't listen to the states enough but we all brag about states being the laboratory of our political system and there's a lot that can be learned. and i think in terms of just a meeting i had with the mayor of denver, colorado, as recently as tuesday or wednesday in which he came to washington to work on a program that i've been involved with with senator durbin of illinois and president obama and that's on criminal justice reform. and he's very much supportive of that effort and doing everything that he can to do it, and we've learned from a lot of states on that issue as well. in fact, i don't think it would be moving forward if i didn't feel that texas and georgia had made a lot of progress in criminal justice reform. the issue that i want to visit with you before you ask me

questions is the opioid crisis. the rapid rise of drug addiction in our country has taken a profound and devastating toll on communities coast to coast. in many parts of the nation, it's being driven by the abuse of prescription opioids and cheap but very deadly heroin. and here in iowa, meth continues to destroy families. this destructive epidemic demands a comprehensive response. whether it's the 43,000 deaths a year or 129 americans dying every day from drug overdoses, we don't need statistics on a page to tell us about the catastrophe. we only need to listen to the people of our states. i hear from iowans all the time just like i'm sure you hear from your constituents about real-life examples of how this epidemic is hitting home. a few years ago i heard the

ory of kim brown, a nurse in davenport. in 2011 she lost her son to an accidental heroin overdose. he was only 33. she now speaks out around my state about the need for expanded treatment options for those with substance abuse disorders. she also advocates for increased access to naloxone, an anti-overdose drug that can save lives. i thought about her as congress recently took on the important task of confronting this epidemic. it was a process marked by hard work, bipartisanship and a commitment to dealing with it in an all-encompassing way. so the comprehensive addiction nd recovery act that we call cara for short is now on its way to president obama addressing the opioid crisis in a comprehensive way by

authorizing almost $900 million over five years for prevention, education, treatment, recovery and law enforcement efforts. and as all good governors want to know, rest assured, the current senate appropriation bills are poised to more than double funding for the epidemic since republicans took control of the senate. as funding for this crisis continues to rise, this bill then will serve as a blueprint for how to attack the scourge of addiction. the process began when i convened a hearing on attacking the opioid epidemic before my judiciary committee. the committee heard from a range of federal and state -- well, federal as well as state and stakeholders generally,

including governor shum lynn who talked about the excellent success of his programs in vermont. we heard from the chief of police, manchester, and rhode island, largest outpatient opioid treatment center. we also heard from a courageous young woman from ohio who lost her daughter to a heroin overdose and subsequently started a support group to assist those in recovery. as the bill worked its way through the process, i shaped the bill in a few ways that i think are beneficial to my state and many of your states because rural areas seem to be left out of consideration too often. i'll just mention a couple items for those of us in rural areas, a fixed portion of the funds for the first responder access to naloxone is set aside for rural areas like much of iowa where access to emergency health care can be limited.

and for states that may have other types of drug abuse problems like meth, i made sure that community-based coalition enhancement grants created by the bill would also be available for communities suffering from high rates of meth abuse in addition to opioid. another part of the bill that i feel passionately about is the drug takeback program. many people who abuse prescription drugs get them or steal them from friends and relatives. cara authorizes an expansion of the federal initiative that allows patients to safely dispose of older, unused medications so these drugs don't fall into the hands of young people, potentially leading them to addiction. it's been a highly successful effort. since 2010, over 2,700 tons of drugs have been collected from medicine cabinets and disposed of safely. my state of iowa has has a

similar takeback program that's expanding very rapidly. anything we can do to encourage these programs is worth. finally, the bill incentivizes and strengthens the use of state prescription drug monitoring programs which have proven to be so beneficial, especially by reducing drug shopping for opioids. cara was met with widespread praise and support. the addiction policy forum called it a monumental step forward. almost 250 advocacy organizations wrote to congress in support of the bill, including that, quote, this ill is a critical asset to need and it passed congress overwhelmingly. and it isn't often that congress can say that it passed legislation that could save lives, but because republicans

and democrats worked together, this was one of these concerns. and another area, a frustration i hear about from state and local officials is on federal mandates. sometimes washington returns control to the states and then takes it back. the every student succeeds act is an example. i know you'll have a question on that subject, and at that point i would address that as a problem more in the future. before you ask questions -- because this is on federal-state relationships -- i asked my staff to put together some things -- well, i have five examples here that i will just simply read to you where iowa has worked closely with us and gives us a lot of information that's very helpful in making federal policy and sometimes federal law. it was ack in i think

1979, 1997, 1998, and it could have included both medicaid re-authorization and the budget reconciliation act of that year and it could include welfare reform but the medicaid director of iowa came to washington, d.c., for several, several days, over a long period of time and just a massive amount of information on how to make the programs reform but also to make them serve their purpose they were supposed to. for all 50 states, he was speaking, not just for iowa. representing i don't know whatever organization. maybe your governors association or something, but he worked with the conference committee on that issue. then more recently, i had the head of the iowa of aging testifying before the judicial committee on the financial exploitation of elders.

i had a field hearing in des moines on meth abuse, particularly the mexico problem. and we had a lot of fm from iowans on -- testimony from iowans on that that passed the kingpin act which is part of the cara act, and the transnational drug trafficking act that senator feinstein and i worked on. the iowa drug czar told us about patient satisfaction surveys linked to medicare payments that encourage opioid pain reliever abuse. this led to senator feinstein and i writing to the center for medicare and medicaid services with this concern, and the administration just announced a proposal to remove survey pain management questions from the hospital payment scoring calculation. the iowa department of economic development came to us about

changing the arms statute to allow for longer lease terms and special certifications. we got that changed so the state can attract additional economic opportunities for the rock island arsenal and i worked with officials to retain iowa's business when there were ergers between dow and dupont. then the -- dupont. then the first bill that came out of my judiciary committee was the victims of trafficking act, and what's called justice for victims of trafficking act signed by the president 14 mobts ago and that testimony was very helpful. now to your questions and i hope i didn't take too much of the time for what i just said. governor herbert: well, senator grassley, we're happy to have you here. give him a round of applause.

[applause] we know how busy your schedule is and we're honored that you took time to visit with the governors. we do have four, five questions to ask you. let me just start off. our initiative that we talked about really has to do with states finding solutions. and we understand that we worked with you. in fact, you mentioned a couple of areas. every student succeeds act, the fast act, the opportunity we had to help energize bills and help you get them across the finish line. the question is, what are some potential areas of bipartisan cooperation during this next congress where governors can begin laying the groundwork now on working with you and members of the senate and house to get some bills passed in this next congress? senator grassley: well, for sure on tax reform, and that relates to those of you that have your state income tax tied in with the federal income tax because tax reform at the

federal level can't help but affect the income -- increase or decrease of taxes coming into the federal treasury. i suppose it depends on who is elected president but under some scenarios there could be some big changes to obamacare. we would need to know how that impacts on your particular state. and of course, the transportation bill that we passed, five-year bill, a long-range bill which is very necessary but only has the funding for i think three years , for pressure on congress to make sure at least that level where we are now, and i'm sure some people would like to go to a higher level, but at least the level where we are that you help -- i don't know if you have to help us but you got to put pressure on to make sure that that's fully funded. and i think when it comes to terrorism, this is probably

more of a federal problem but it's something you can sure advocate for. i don't feel that there's enough cooperation between our f.b.i., as good as it is and as fairly successful it's been in keeping 100 people that's been arrested and probably prosecuted that were going to kill americans but we had five bad instances in our country already. the extent to which f.b.i. seems to have some aversion to cooperating with local police and maybe you would even say state police, i think that's something you ought to be concerned about and work for, assuming you feel, as i do, that that's an issue. and things of that nature. and so that's where i would suggest -- oh, there's another one. the higher education act is up for authorization next year. should had been authorized this year or maybe the year before

but it wasn't re-authorized. we spent almost the time of that committee on the bill for elementary and secondary education. but i think there's two things that you need to think about with higher education re-authorization. now, i know it sounds politically popular to say that people going to public universities ought to have free tuition. i think every one of you have massive numbers like we have in iowa, 28, private colleges. i think you need to let congress the impact of that policy, presuming it's pursued on your private colleges. because i haven't heard any of the candidates -- and this could be for both republicans and democrats -- i haven't heard any presidential candidate ever bring up the issue that that might have a negative impact on private colleges. and then when it comes to too high of tuition, i think that

something i learned from president mason, former president mason, university of iowa, is that kids have $29,000 debt when they leave. if they just borrowed money for what they have for tuition and board and room and books, it would be $13,000 less. why? because there's a federal law that says the university has to tell you every penny you can borrow and presumably people borrow more than they need to. so i have know before you owe bill that they wouldn't have to advise them of every dollar they do and then four years before they graduate they ought their ooking at what major is and what that job's going to pay if they get it under their major so they know before they borrow too much money you can pay off your debt. so those are -- that's another example of something i learned

from my iowa people contacting me in washington, d.c. i think i'll stop there. governor herbert: governor branstad has a question and governor mcauliffe and then governor malloy and then i'll finish up. governor branstad: senator grassley, thank you for working so well with the different departments and agencies and state government. i know you go to your counties every year and we appreciate the collaboration we had with you. you mentioned the tax reform and i think we all think that federal comprehensive tax reform is well overdue, and we'd like to obviously see tremendous intergovernmental cooperation as we deal with what the congress does on tax reform will impact the state and local governments for their ability to finance

various public projects. so as you look at that, we'd be interested in how the governors can work closely with you to make sure that the comprehensive tax reform, which we hope will happen in the near future, does not preempt states from having the flexibility to do what they need to do to improve their infrastructure and be expect tiff. -- competitive. senator grassley: first of all, i don't think with tax reform you have to worry about the tax exemption for states and municipalities going away. it's one of the few things, maybe a handful of things that since 1916 that the tax code has never touched. but there is a back door to problems that probably sounds politically the right thing to do. when you talk about our tax

code not being progressive enough, but it's a back door to harming your efforts that may not get the attention that if you just talked about eliminating it, then it's pretty clear. and that's -- and i wouldn't say that it's just a democrat idea because i'm not so sure but what the house ways and means committee two years ago didn't have this in their program as well but it's a 28 -- it's where you cut off any exemptions whatsoever at 28%. so if you include municipal bonds in that, a lot of people that buy bonds are not going to be enticed to buy those bonds or at least as many and then you're going to find your interest rate affected, i believe. if any of you see that differently than i do, i'd like to hear from you. well, then, the other one is more of a process. and i don't have any advice to tell you how to weigh in but

just so you know, it's a problem. whether i was chairman of the finance committee or ranking member in those years between 2001 and 2010, i found that when you're trying to reach a bipartisan compromise -- now, in the house of representatives, they don't have to reach a bipartisan compromise as long as republicans agree. but in the senate when you got 54 of one party, whether it's republican or democrat, it doesn't matter. you got to get 60 votes to get things done under it's done under reconciliation and it's difficult to get things done under reconciliation because the rules are so precise. but when you're trying to sit at a table with republicans and democrats to reach an agreement, i'd have to confess to you that not very often and maybe not at all but at least not very often does position or the impact on states get much attention and that's because it's just so darn difficult to

work to get a bipartisan agreement. and if you don't get it you don't get anything done, so that's the necessity of it. i don't have any advice for you. you want me to give you advice, don't have any. but beaware of it. >> one of the big issue we deal with as governors as the cybersecurity threat. -- e trying to put together governor mcauliffe: cyberattack is a big issue. how do you think we at the gubernatorial level can help with the federal government to come up with a comprehensive plan that would work with the states? as long as i have your thoughts on the status of the marketplace fairness act -- senator grassley: on what?

governor mcauliffe: the marketplace fairness act. senator grassley: that's one that's got more of a political component to it than it has a substantive opponent to it. i am going to say something that's facetious. you won't recognize it because grassley is always so serious. i know it's a problem and a growing problem. now, this is one if you buy from outside the state on the internet, that's what you're talking about. here's where we are. maybe 12, 15, maybe more than that percent of the sales are made that way now and they're going to be growing. and when it gets to about 90%, congress is going to wake up and say you got to do something about it. now, it doesn't really have to get that bad, but you understand what i'm trying to tell you. so here's what tends to drive this thing in washington, d.c., more than anything else.

most republicans hate and maybe even a few democrats hate to be tagged with being for tax increases. now, i know this doesn't have anything to do about tax increases at the federal level. this is tax increases at the local level, which we don't have any control over. but there are organizations in washington that are going to list you as increasing taxes. and it's more of a political issue than it is a substantive issue because it's hard not to justify the fact that we got a court decision going back to 1991 or 1992 that says states can't touch this. and so many states get so much of their revenue from sales tax. but i don't know how bad the situation has got to get before common sense is going to overrule the political scene. maybe you would say never in washington will common sense win out, but i think it does eventually. so i don't really have much of an answer for you, i'm sorry to

say. governor mcauliffe: any thoughts on cyber? senator grassley: cyber, yes. first, i read and since i spend 60% of my days in your state, i ought to know exactly what you're doing but i recently read about your program on cybersecurity threats and i think i would nail it down this way from the standpoint of what congress has already done took four years to get done and it hasn't done enough but it was very difficult getting it done because you had to work the private sector and the federal cooperation. eventually we got part of that put together so what we're -- what we need to accomplish in at least one area we made successful cooperation. but it's -- successful legislation. but it's not enough. o what you're up to, state

leadership is important, but this is something that can't be done just by the states. it's federal, state and private partnership. so your leading the way in that is helpful. i think there's some people that feel that we should do nothing. that's not an option. because we're all going to be affected by this. so much of it comes particularly when you have utilities and you have water systems and anything else that a cybercriminal could shut down, you know, local and state governments very much involved in that as much as the federal government is. so we got to work this out. if we're going to protect our critical infrastructure. and all i can say is we got to continue to work together and

various plans are out there but we got to do more than congress has already done. and i don't know to what extent -- well, as i recall the legislation we just passed, there's more private and a federal partnership because we had to work out the sharing of information and, you know, private business was so concerned about their own intellectual property and their own business and then they were worried about telling the world that they had made a mistake and all that and so we finally got that cooperation where the government didn't want to share with the business but we want business to tell us. now we got this cooperation. so that's the first step. now we got to get the state governments more involved. governor herbert: governor malloy. governor malloy: i thank you, senator. it's been very interesting and i've enjoyed hearing from you greatly. most of my questions reinvolve around the issue which you

started is the opioid abuse and the recent legislation that authorizes money to be spent but doesn't necessarily budget that money. so when do you believe that money will be actually in the budget and available for distribution, and how will that come about? is that an expected offset or will be added to the budget separate and apart of an offset? if you could speak to that issue, i'd greatly appreciate it. senator grassley: by september 30 for sure, hopefully before. we don't go back into session until labor day so in september, if we can get an agreement. if not, funding that we have in the pipeline right now will continue. it will have to continue under the programs that we just recently authorized as opposed to money being available for that but not being used very much in a directed manner. so the money will be available and i've suggested to you based upon what i know from the 56%

increase one recent year and a more recent year 114% increase in what we authorize that there will be an increase for next year. and then go out under these programs just as soon as the bill is signed by the president. governor malloy: let me say some of the things about the scourge of drug abuse. one of the statistics i find most troubling is four years ago in connecticut, of the people who died of drug overdoses, only 14 had fentanyl in their system, which is the synthetic version of heroin. this year it's expected to be in the blood streams of 170 people who will die as a result of an overdose. and anything that can be done to address the issue of the growing scourge of fentanyl, the synthetic alternative, is going to be extremely important. it's important because it's being packaged with heroin or

as a replacement for heroin. so individuals who think they're buying heroin end up buying a package for as little as $3.50 to $10 of something that is five times -- potentially five times the strength of heroin. this is a scourge we're particularly seeing in the northeast but it's finding its way to the other states as well. senator grassley: yeah. heroin in our state is now there's a special task force set up in cedar rapids for eastern iowa to challenge -- to recognize, i guess, the increase in opioid, heroin thing we have in this state. but still in our state, i think everybody considers meth to be the main problem. thank you very much. governor herbert: thank you, senator grassley. the last question was going to be offered -- asked by senator -- excuse me -- governor sandoval of nevada.

back. called by -- the states would like more flexibility as we implement more programs and it's become a cliche of the one-size-fits-all mentality that comes out of washington, d.c. i met with a cabinet member who -- we're having a conversation said, well, the challenge we face in washington, d.c., is we don't really trust the states to do it correctly. there needs to be accountability. there seems to be a lack of trust. i understand the concern of accountability, but what can we do as states, as governors to work with the congress in washington and say, look, we understand there needs to be accountability, it needs to be fair but there also needs to be a productive, flexibility opportunity and let's get past this lack of trust element that seems to be getting in the way of giving us states more flexibility. what do you suggest to do? senator grassley: i wouldn't back away from the word

accountability and you aren't either. i would -- i hope i'm never one of those that say i don't trust the states. i mean, personally. i've heard congressmen, senators say otherwise so i don't dispute what you said. i just don't want to fall into that category. i guess what i would do right now is answer with just one example and that is the elementary and secondary education act called every student succeeds act. i'm going to call it the elementary and secondary education act, as it's been since the 1960's. i'm not on that committee except for talented and gifted education, i didn't have a lot of input into that but i did get a very strong part in for talented and gifted. nd here's what i know is a bipartisan bill and mostly

reflecting -- i'm reflecting to you the thinking of senator alexander, the chairman of the committee, best expressed by a few words he put out that this is the biggest deregulation of education policy in maybe ever if you consider the last 40 years when the federal government tried to take over education. and then the other thing he said, we want to end the congress or the federal government being the national school board. so what you're asking for is maximum -- maximum return to the states of most of the decisionmaking in that federal 10th ed on not only the amendment but based upon the act that this country is

heterogenic in our population, the geography is so vast, you can't make policy in washington, d.c. that fits des moines. so what we're seeing now is that it looks to me the secretary of education is looking for excuses or wiggle room within the language of the bill to continue some of those ry strict regulations out of washington as this is implemented. now, i think there's almost -- i think we even sent a letter to him that would say contrary-wise that he's not looking at it right. but you're going to find the several years as this bill is implemented the -- because we feel like no child left behind was a mistake even though it was bipartisan between george bush and senator kennedy. it turned out not to accomplish what we wanted and led to a national curriculum and we don't need a national curriculum. thank you, all, very much.

governor herbert: well, thank you, senator grassley. give him a round of applause. [applause] governor herbert: we appreciate you being here and we understand making mistakes. whether we make it in the states or whether they make it at congress occasionally. the intent is for us to work together, to foster better relationships, better trust. we're doing some really good stuff when it comes to delivering services. the government services that we the people want to have done. so we appreciate your efforts in fostering better state-federal relationships, and your presence here today demonstrates your willingness to do that. senator grassley: there is no deference than education and transportation. thank you very much. governor herbert: all right. ive him a round of applause. [applause] with that that will conclude our open plenary session. we will have a governors' only meeting that will start in 10

minutes. please, don't loiter and be prompt as you can to be there in 10 minutes. we'll get started. that will conclude our open plenary session. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> and we will be back in a little over an hour and a half for more live coverage from the national governors association summer meeting. 2:30 eastern they'll focus on health care, in particular on the opioid crisis, and jobs and the economy, the focus on the 4:00 session. all of that live this afternoon on c-span. as this is going on, news this

morning that donald trump has made his pick, his vice-presidential selection. "roll call."in postpone due to violence in france. announcement will be live on c-span. following that, donald trump tweeted in the news this morning, mike pence himself tweeted, honored to join donald trump and work to make america great again. again, coverage of that tomorrow, 11:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. coming up shortly this afternoon, white house press secretary josh earnest will hold a briefing. he'll talk to reporters about a range of issues. he'll probably get questions about the donald trump pick and also questions about the terrorist attack last night in nice, france. live coverage at 1:00 eastern or when it gets under way on c-span. and on that terrorist attack, we'll bring you live remarks from president obama this afternoon starting about :10 eastern. he's hosting the diplomatic corps at the white house in the east room, but he will address last night's attack in nice and

those comments will be live over on c-span2. >> the hard-fought 2016 primary season is over with historic conventions to follow this summer. >> colorado. >> florida, >> texas. >> ohio. >> watch c-span as the delegates consider the first woman ever to head a major political party and the first nonpolitician in several decades. watch live on c-span. listen on the c-span radio app or get video ondemand at c-span.org. >> you have a front row seat to every minute of both conventions on c-span. all beginning on monday. >> in cleveland yesterday, the rules committee that's responsible for crafting the rules for next week's republican national convention met to discuss their party's rules that were previously

adopted in 2012. this next panel focuses on an amendment that was rejected to unbind delegates while calling for them to, "vote their conscience" instead. we will show you as much as we can before today's white house briefing gets under way. >> all right. let's move now to amendment .umber 37.1 number 37.1. this impacts rule 37 and it has been proposed by mr. ross of nevada who is recognized for the purpose of making a motion. >> thank you, madam chair. i introduce amendment 37.1, as presented. >> is there a second? >> second. >> i hear a second. all right. mr. ross, would you like to address your amendment? mr. ross: thank you, madam chair. .'m going to use the b word binding.

i think it's fair. i think it's what millions of voters expect. now, while i have enjoyed up to is point the many and very theological discussions on how many parliamentary angels can dance on the head of a parliamentary pen, it's time to put an end to those discussions and to clarify once and for all. this amendment and one for the following rule that is -- inserts the identical language into that rule is meant to do just that. it's to address arguments that have been going on for years about whether or not the rules of our party permit binding or not. this amendment and a companion amendment for rule 38 will do just that. in this particular case, the arguments that the rights of certain delegates to demand

roll call somehow invalidates their binding will be put to rest. i'm a politician. the voters in my constituency, the caucuses in our constituency voted overwhelmingly for mr. donald trump. i have no intention of returning to those people who i rely on to keep me in office by telling them i had some part in shredding their votes. it's time after all these years to put an end to this. let's give the people what they expect, that their votes count. i don't mean to be bitter about this. i don't mean to be confrontational, but for heaven's sake, the argument needs to be settled one way or the other. thank you, madam chair. the chair: i have been asked to

remind you by counsel that the 9:30 deadline is rapidly approaching, and if you are in line at the help desk at the stroke of 9:30, they will help you finish your amendment. if you walk up at 9:30:10, will you not have the opportunity to have your amendment drafted. is everyone clear on that procedure? excellent. all right. we have had a motion made and seconded. is there anyone who rises in opposition to the amendment? is there anyone who rises in opposition to the amendment? seeing none, is there anyone else who rises in support of the amendment? mr. ash. mr. ash: madam chairman, members of our committee, in 56 contests across the country, into the caribbean and out into

the pacific, donald trump won almost 14 million votes. he nearly doubled the vote total of his nearest competitor. he surpassed the number of delegates required by over 300 delegates. and yet, among some, there seems to be some sort of question whether or not he is the presumptive nominee. there's been a lot of battling back and forth. there's been a lot of emails that we get and constant harassment from various people across the country. in arizona, we had a presidential preference election where donald trump received over 50% of the votes cast in that election contest. by state law, all 58 delegates in arizona are required to vote for donald trump on the first ballot. donald trump is the presumptive

nominee. there should be absolutely no question as to who we are going to cast our votes for. as republicans, give our elected officials in hard as republicans, we oftentimes give our elected officials in hard time about campaign one way and governing another, as delegates, we were selected, elected by our state delegates, , elected by our state conventions in whatever manner we are out here, we only had to perform one function, but for the candidate we were bound for. vote for the us to cement and for the following and to get this matter finally understood across the country. thank you. >> thank you.

anyone who would like to rise in opposition? madam chairman, i rise in opposition to this because primarily because it seeks to link a preconvention rule to a conventional. i just submitted an amendment on the same topic that provides satisfaction within rule 37 within the convention rules completely and without mixing pretty rules with convention rules. therefore, i would urge the defeat of this one in anticipation of the complete properly to do this. which i'm sure you will all embrace. [laughter] >> i'm sure they will embrace and debate. thank you.

other others who wish to rise in support of this amendment? >> thank you. >>this matter has obviously been the subject of more preconvention publicity than any rules matter ever in living memory. it is obviously an important issue. people have changed sides on the issue. there were people like me who theed to repeal requirements in the rules passed by the roman campaign which -- romney campaign which prevented legitimate delegate votes being counted if they cast a vote for somebody who has not met the greatly increased threshold. , i attempted in

april of 2013 to pass an omnibus repeal of all the amendments that the romney people passed that we could repeal. circumstances changed. moved at our meeting in april, a rifle shop amendment to the rules. focused just on that is enfranchised budget delegates which cause hundreds of delegates to not have their votes counted at the tampa convention. as the primary has progressed, it became clear that the operation of the rules was going two candidates would qualify. -- cruz anduise\ suddenly from the establishment

forces, there are no rules to change. the convention rights its own rules. that lasted until it was ted cruz andt donald trump people might have a majority at this convention and the establishment position changed. said -- previous priebus said we should not amend the rules. rules could be amended and only one of two ways. >> the gentleman's time has inspired. >> after a battle which could split this party. i think when to avoid that. thank you. >> thank you. the staff has just handed me the following. two minutes to the 9:30 deadline. we are going to strictly enforce this. two minutes. thank you, mr. blackwell. someone who wishes to rise in

opposition? those who wish to speak in support? >> thank you. how mr. blackwell was initially opposed a binding, based on the fact that 22 of the 28 delegates at the national convention in 2012 from iowa voted for a candidate who came in third place even though they did everything legally buy the books was an embarrassment and i don't want to see that happen again. state, a purple state, a new poll came out a few days ago that donald trump is leading by two points. i understand that we had these candidates are bedded -- all vetted.i want to remind everybody , if you are looking for a perfect candidate, you will not find jesus christ on the ballot.

the people who have been sending these e-mails, it is over. you all of the birds came to roost it when i was informed by the wall street journal that they were going to run a negative ad against me. regarding the unbinding of the delegates. no offense if your dialect is different than mine, but why would you have someone come into my state, who understand that people talk in a midwestern accent and bring someone with a new jersey accent with a distinctive, harsh, new jersey accent to beat up on me. it was not like i was not transparent from day one. people in my state support me overwhelmingly. it is an insult. let us get behind our nominee right now. >> thank you, mr. scheffler.

are there others that wish to speak in opposition? i see none. are there those that wish to speak and support? -- in support? >> eileen from rhode island. as many of these fine people have received -- i personally have received 440 e-mails to vote my conscience. i have answered every single one of them. were notnses back nice. i was very respectful. let me say this. on 14.1ot turn my back million people that voted for donald trump. i was elected to be a donald trump delegate. i cannot dow, .nything to unbind

my constituency, at least 300 texted me and e-mailed me from my state that voted for donald notp and said -- you better vote against donald trump. so, i strongly urge us to begin hogging the person next to us, aya, weol by ya -- kumb have a better nominee than the democrats. [applause] >> thank you. are there any people that wish to speak in opposition? does the gentleman rise to support? the gentleman is recognized. >> my name is matt hall, i am from michigan. it is an honor to be here.

i wanted to speak in favor of this motion. donald trump won michigan overwhelmingly. rules as a convention body, and a body, that those voters came to the polls in reliance on those roles -- on those rules. they are binding. we made rules. when we had a taxpayer-funded primary. all of the candidates and their strategies relied upon these rules including binding. when i was elected as a delegate, it was clear to me that we have a responsibility to honor that commitment that we ruleso our voters and the that we will honor their vote and their vote will count. therefore, i fully intend to

support mr. donald trump and support the binding under the current rules and i call the previous question. >> thank you, sir. the previous question is in order. all of those in favor of closing debate on amendment number 37.1. the ayes clearly have it. -- ill now vote i will call for a standing vote. will that suffice, mr. blackwell? [indiscernible] >> we will hold a standing vote. we are moving to a vote on the main motion. all of those in favor of

adopting amendment number 37.1, please stand.

please be seated. , pleasehose opposed stand. thank you. please be seated. the tally of the votes is as

follows. are 87. the motion passes. [applause] -- adam chairman from california. i would like to move to lay on the table a motion to reconsider. the parliamentarian just told me that the form of the motion is incorrect. what is it you would like to achieve? >> i would like to end discussion on the think we just voted on. motionn't like to have a to reconsider. i would like to lay it on the table. i would not care to have a vote. >> if you would like to end it, you would have to make a motion to reconsider. >> with that and the discussion?

end thethat discussion? vote no ondecided to reconsideration, that would end things once and for all. ok, i am a slow learner. >> request for information. motiont correct, not a to reconsider, only those persons who voted against the intended vote -- do i have it backwards? >> the motion must be made by those who voted on the prevailing side. if he voted in favor, he is eligible to make a motion to reconsider. >> those people that voted votest the motion cannot to reconsider?

>> did you wish to make a motion to reconsider? is there a second? moved and seconded. >> what does that mean? >> name and state. >> fred brown from alaska. >> it means we cannot reconsider this particular amendment. >> thank you. all of those in favor of --onsidering this amendment, do you have another point to make? >> for everyone's edification. vote means we take it up again. >> that is correct. >> thank you for the clarification. >> all of those in favor of the

motion to reconsider, meaning an aye vote means you want to reconsider and open debate. all of those people, please say aye. all close. the no's have it. -- weeryone's information have passed our 9:30 p.m. deadline. there are a few amendment came in at that point. amendmentse very few that came in at that point though there are still a few coming in to the process. amendment number 38.1. is an amendment to rule number 38.

it has been submitted by the lady from colorado. she is recognized for the purpose of making a motion. is she here? >> i am from colorado. i would like to move -- i cannot read it. ok. like to add the language -- toe number 30 82 add insert the following -- a new sentence. number 38 to add a

new sentence. >> it has been moved. is there a second? it has been moved and seconded. would you like to address your amendment? >> does anyone need any information? obviously, this is an important topic to the hearts of many americans. we have all been inundated with the e-mails that have flooded our boxes about barry heartfelt convictions from patriots and people from all walks of life who truly believe in the right to conscious. it is -- conscience. the is something that hits

basis of our nation. it is why the pilgrims came here and founded our nation. it is a god-given right. it is why we have the bill of rights. that is why you cannot force a doctor to perform an abortion. you cannot force the mennonites to go into the draft. it is systematically at the core of every single american. exercisews people to that right and not be bound by state law. thatupreme court has ruled it cannot happen within a private organization. beyond that, it is a process. how ourliterally founding fathers set up the rule of law, the way our government operates. the party itself is modeling what has been established as the take it delegates who extraordinarily seriously, the sanctity of their boats. i am asking that you regard this as the sanctity of the vote that

is reflected in the duty and obligation of each delegate to cast a ballot according to their conscience. that is a god-given right that should not be taken away by the rnc, or any party, or this stage. it has been ruled that even with the recent court ruling in virginia that the state cannot actually overstep a boundary and determine the outcome of a vote that is to be left to a delegate alone. >> thank you. are there any who wish to rise in opposition? the gentle man from michigan. i am matt hall from michigan. can win this election and be our next president. in order to do that, we need to allow the record number of republican voters who voted for

donald trump in our primary to have their voice heard. that means honoring the rules and the commitment of our party to bind the delegates and make their vote count. accordingly, i move to call the previous question. is in previous question order. we will move immediately to a vote on the previous question. all of those in favor of the previous question ending the debate, say aye. the chair is in doubt. we will have a standing vote. two thirds majority is required to pass. all of those in favor of ending debate on this matter, please stand. oh, goodness.

thank you. please be seeded. all of those opposed to previous question, please stand.

thank you. you may be seated. the votes are as follows. in favor of previous question equities evan, those opposed, 21. a clear two thirds majority. the previous question passes.

all of those in favor of adopting amendment 38.1 as unru ofd by ms. colorado, please say aye. the nays have it. we will take a standing vote. oh, they tell me i do not have to because i have already declared it and it is clear. we have been counted. we have stood. we will move forward. >> madam chairman -- >> a move to reconsider. a move to reconsider. is there a second? andhere has been motion second. all of those in favor of reconsideration meaning an aye

vote means we can reconsider and discuss this amendment. all of those in favor of reconsideration, please say aye. have it. there is no further reconsideration of this amendment. let us move forward now to amendment 38.2. this impacts rule number 38. it has been proposed i mr. roth of -- by mr. roth of nevada. >> i have decided to introduce a logo. [applause] [laughter] i am waiting for the amendment to come up. if anyone is asking, i have wasised this logo since i

13. that is out of order. let us get a new one. a big, tough, mean looking elephant with tusks. on a guitar.ding he is not mean looking. >> that would be an improvement. >> can we get the staff to bring it up? >> the sooner they will get it up, the sooner i will shut up. madam chair, may i introduce rule 38.2 as presented. >> is there a second? >which you like to speak to your amendment? in this isuage precisely the same as in this amendment of rule 307i introduced. if you voted in favor of that, i thank you.

for those that chose not to support it, i want to go on record that i understand your concerns. this is allwhen over, there will be no more division on this. we are all republicans. republicans are very individual. that is a fact of life. we can have honest differences. wen we walk out of your, walk out of here together. i am asking to have this to clarify on the issue -- to clarify the role call issue. i had to put my glasses back on and teach. there has been some contention that the unit rule come inherently prohibits binding. i have said for years, it does not. never been arguments on both sides. with rule 37, it is time to put this to a rest. let us settle the question once and for all.

i need to know my constituents -- the millions of people who vote, they are not rule nerds like me. in and vote for bill jones. if he wins the majority of the votes, they expect him to be the candidate. asking here. am i ask for a yes vote. >> would anyone like to rise in opposition? >> i would like to move an amendment to this motion. i would like to amend the entire repeal it. 38 and >> that is not germane to this particular amendment. you would need to move to strike the entire clause after we have dealt with this particular item. >> thank you. >> is there anyone else that

wishes to rise in opposition or support of this amendment? mr. lee? >> i rise in opposition. it is important for us to remember that as members of this committee, we can make any change to any rule that we want. choose toes, we can vote for whomever we choose on the floor ultimately assuming the rules allow that. a lot of the focus today has understandably on expanding our party and making its appeal brought her. making those who have felt excluded from it feel more included. that is important. signal the opposite every time we take our rules and clamp down on them further. we make it less possible for delegates to exercise their right to have a voice in this

process. i think our elections are important. they are essential and fundamental. delegates traditionally have been considered honorbound to decision of their state and they overwhelmingly have done so. historic clay, it has also been the case that delegates have option, some choice on their own to make their own decisions. in the unusual event that they find some binding reason why they cannot do that. at the end of the day, we have to remember that it is important for our presidential nominees to win at two levels. for the primary and the presidency. rules like this are not going to help that. this problem, this angst as we will see in a few days will not go away because we paper over it

with rules. i say to mr. donald trump, make the case to those delegates that want to a voice. that they should use their voice to support him. do not make the case that their voice should be silenced. it will not help carry it will not help elect him president nor will it help our party in the long run. >> thank you. is there anyone who wishes to rise in support of the amendment? i have a great respect for senator lee as we all do for representing our conservative values. but sir, i have to take issue with you on something. my understanding is that you represent the grass roots. and yet, what i do not understand about your logic is you want to ignore what are really the grassroots which are

millions and millions of voters that voted for donald trump and transferred the opinion and expression of that opinion through a vote to a couple thousand delegates. to me, if we are really representing the grass roots, and we are really representing conservativism, we listen to those voices and we exercise our responsibility. more importantly, we advance the conservative cause, the only way to advance the conservative cause is through a strong republican party that is united to defeat hillary clinton and the democrats this fall. that is the only way to do it. [applause] there is no one else running for president in this party then donald trump. no other person has said i am running and i will accept your nomination. no one else is vetting vice presidents or raising money with republican national committee to repair for the battle. i have been involved in the

conservative movement since 1972, 44 years. a precinct chair. a door knock her. a member of the reagan youth brigade. i will tell you that the most important thing to me is that we do not let the left wing take over our country this fall. the only thing standing between that happening is our victory with our nominee and our ticket. it is time, sir, for you and everyone else to come together and say this party will be united and we will defeat the democrats and these motions are a way to do that. and i do applaud you for your service. >> is there anyone who rises in opposition, in opposition? from idaho. i was like to request that future comments by speakers be directed to the chair.

question. if the sponsor would yield? >> would the sponsor yield to a question? >> a clarifying question. chair.it through the i will direct it to him. >> the question is with regard to the language in the amendment. am i reading rules 16 a correctly? that the binding could be through state law, state rule, or just the result of the primary, absent any state rule or state law. you are still bound? you cane all three ways be bound under 16 letter a? requiring as to be legal opinion. would you like to address that? -- he gentle

the national party rules always serve as primary. the national party rules incorporate the primary -- the national rules incorporate the primary results. the national rules always supersede any state law to the contrary or when there is a contrary rule, any state party rules to the contrary. no state law or no state rule that binds delegates to the outcome of their primary they would nevertheless be bound to the result of the primary pursuant to the national role? -- national rule? >> anyone that would like to rise in support? support.n >> would you like to say anything else? >> e-house divided -- a house

divided against itself will not stand. if mr. cruz, senator cruz went come up with you but for him? and i said absolutely, yesterday and i said when mr. trump wins, would you? because i know the binding, we are only as good as our word. she said i would. i need to ask all of you, excuse me, i'm very emotional about , are weneed to ask you going to do this together or are we going to be divided? the law says, the rule says that you are legally bound to whom you were standing with. for who you are walking with. i'm only as good as my word. and ask you to be as good as your word. a house divided against itself

cannot stand. wons the nominee because he 1543 delegates. people came and voted for him so why cannot we as a body come together with the rnc and everyone else and get together and show the whole world and the universe that we are a party, not divided, but we are party [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national able satellite corp. 2016] >> we're now going to take you live to the white house.

the briefing's been under way for about 20, 25 minutes or so. mr. earnest: we need to make sure there's a mechanism, the europeans need to make sure there's a mechanism in place so they can share that information with other countries who may need to act on that information to ensure the safety and security of their own citizens. ultimately that's what we're -- what we want our european allies to do more to address. quite frankly, just to speak bluntly about this, the previous attacks in paris, in november, i think illustrated this vulnerability best. reporter: bhaws there was information that -- because there was information that was available, that was out there? mr. earnest: because the evidence right now indicates that the plotters of that attack were in belgium, but the attack that took place was in france. so, it indicates the cross-border nature of this threat. and it's why we have placed a premium on the ability of our allies to share that

information effectively and efficiently even across borders. ultimately that will improve the quality of information that the united states receives. reporter: a broader question. after various terror attacks, we often hear the administration say we're going to intensify our campaign against isis on all fronts. cut off their finances, air attacks, so on and so forth. obviously this is going on now. we've had a series of these. so, again, is there going to be some stepping up of the administration's attacks efforts against isis? and why do we always do this incrementally? why isn't there -- it seems like there's always an incremental approach to this. after the next attack we'll hear more intensifying and again and again. can you tell the american people that the administration's really doing everything now? mr. earnest: we often make announcements about the intensification of our efforts

even when it doesn't come on the heels of another attack. in fact, it was just the last couple of weeks -- i guess it was earlier this week, the secretary of defense traveled to iraq and announced the intensification of our efforts against isil in iraq by committing another 400 or so u.s. military personnel to staff up and operationalize key military air fields that iraq forces had -- iraqi forces had taken back from isil. that's an example of how we're always looking at ways to intensify our efforts. if there's one aexpect of our strategy that's -- aspect of our strategy that's yielded progress, the president has said, let's lack for a way to intensify it. one of the -- let's look for a way to intensify it. by establishing this base and getting it up and running, it can essentially be a logistical hub for one part of the country that is closer to mosul. which we know is a top

objective of iraqi security forces. that's an example how the united states and our coalition partners are constantly looking for ways to intensify our efforts and the president makes important decisions, measurable decisions, to intensify our efforts even when an attack has not just occurred. i think that's an indication of the rapid pace of our efforts there. reporter: what's the assessment of whether isis is still capable of coordinating attacks from raqqa and elsewhere? given the effort to degrade and destroy -- they can still -- even though we don't know what happened in nice. they can still -- they're still operational. they still have the ability to do this. mr. earnest: i haven't seen a detailed updated assessment of this. i think it is fair to say that the united states and our coalition partners continue to be concerned about the ability of isil to direct attacks from

iraq and in syria. what's also true is that capacity has been degraded. we have applied significant pressure on isil leaders in iraq and in syria, including in iraq and in mosul. in such a way that we know that many of these leaders are quite concerned about their own personal security. if they're taking steps to protect themselves, that is time they are not spending in recruiting and directing terrorists overseas. another key area of progress has been closing the border between syria and turkey. we know that was the route that previous terrorists have used to infiltrate europe and carry out attacks. that's much harder now than it was in the past. because of efforts that have been taken on both sides of the turkey-syria border. but there's more work that needs to be done in that regard as well. reporter: does the administration see a connection between, on the one hand, you talk about how much territory you've recaptured, the coalition's recaptured, yet isis is more diffuse now and

there are more affiliates in other places, libya, especially afghanistan, elsewhere. do you -- does the administration see a connection between that and the recent attacks that have happened in, not nice again, but in baghdad and bangladesh, istanbul? mr. earnest: there is some speculation among some analysts that isil may focus more of their time and attention on carrying out attacks outside of iraq and in syria, as their claim to establish a caliphate is exposed for the fantasy that it is. reporter: what do you do about that? now you have ady fuelsed organization -- a difused organization. mr. earnest: this is not a new threat. it's one that's potentially enhanced by the fact that we're making progress against their efforts to form a caliphate. but it goes back to many of the things that we were saying before. or that we've talked about before in this room. that includes our efforts to shut down isil's financing.

we know that they rely on money from the sale of oil on the black market, from hostage taking, and from other nefarious activities to fund their operations, not just in iraq and in syria, but around the world. we've made great strides in shutting down that -- their financing system, there's more that we need to do. we've obviously made countering violent extremism and their efforts to radicalize people using social media a top priority. and we've worked effectively with countries around the world, including nations like the united arab emirates and malaysia to establish fusion centers where we can work our efforts to counter them online. more intelligence sharing, to track the flow of foreign fighters or other individuals that could be the source of some concern and coordinating our efforts on that front is important too. this is an effort that we have been working to counter all along and we've made some

progress. significant of a threat now, according to some analysts, because of the important progress that we have de in undercutting the fantasy of a caliphate in iraq and syria established by isil. reporter: let me see if i got that correct. the theory is that we're seeing more terrorist attacks because we're making progress against the core terrorist organization? mr. earnest: this is what some analysts have concluded. this is something we're obviously watching carefully. we try -- we want to be mindful of this potential risk. reporter: what does the white house see as behind the -- what seems to be a stepped-up pace of attacks around the world? today, this morning secretary kerry said that it's virtually every week that world leaders have to come out and denounce another terrorist attack. why are we seeing more attacks around the world? mr. earnest: listen, i think this is -- reporter: what does the white

house think? mr. earnest: there are some who are concerned or who are aware of the risk associated with the progress that we're making against isil in iraq and syria. let me give you one example. we know in at least one case some of isil's recruitment efforts to foreign fighters has changed from come travel to syria to join the fight to go to libya and pick up the fight there. or consider launching attacks in your home country. so, we know that there is some evolution in the direction that isil is giving to potential recruits. that's something that we continue to be very mindful of. we're taking steps that i just outlined to tehran to try to counter that. this is an organization that a substantial number of fighters under their command and they still have the ability

to use social media to add to their ranks. we're mindful of that potential and we want to make sure that we continue to be vigilant about countering that effort and about taking steps that are necessary to protect the american people. reporter: you menged earlier decimating al qaeda -- mentioned earlier decimating al qaeda. the increased intelligence sharing. these fusion centers. the countering violent extremism effort, closing the border between syria and turkey . taking away territory from isis in iraq. if it's all adding up to more attacks, is it possible this just isn't working, for all the -- you're setting -- citing progress in individual, specific areas, and yet we're seeing more violence, we're seeing more -- i mean, we're seeing widespread attacks.

not only are there more of them, but they appear to be deadlier. mr. earnest: the concern that we had, if you think back to the summer of 2014, when isil made this rapid advance across large portions of iraq, there was this concern that there would be a large base of operations that isil would be able to establish in syria and iraq. that would give them the much y to carry out roader, much more deadly terrorist attacks on the scale that we saw on 9/11. what we're seeing now is different than that. what we're seeing now more often are esengly l ombing ne wolf attack -- lone wolf attacks. individuals who in some cases, i can't speak to the nice case, because we just don't know yet, but in some cases aren't eastbound directed by isil.

the president -- said it's very difficult to prevent those attacks from taking place, because they're not conspiring with other people, so it's harder to catch them. but it's why we need to be very focused on things like countering violent extremism, it's why we need to work effectively with in particular the muslim community. we know that some parts of the muslim community are particularly vulnerable to the radicalizing strategy and messaging that isil has undertaken. the threat that we're facing now is different. certainly different than the threat that was posed by core al qaeda and different than the threat that precipitated the terrible attacks on 9/11. but, as you point out, and i certainly wouldn't disagree, they're dangerous, they're violent and we need to dedicate significant resources to

preventing them and that's exactly what we're doing. reporter: i understand you're 100% correct, it's congress that declares war, not the president. but on the substance, do you agree -- does the white house agree with donald trump that we are effectively engaged in a -- or need to be engaged in a world war right now and that we should declare war on isis? i know it's not the white house to do, but does the white house think that would be a good idea or a bad idea? actually to declare war. this is different from authorizing force. declaration of war against a terrorist organization. mr. earnest: the president on a number of occasions has acknowledged, has essentially declared that the united states is at war with terrorist organizations like isil. the best example of this, i was just pulling it up here, december 6, 2015, you'll recall the president gave an address in the oval office. included in that address he

said, our nation has been at war with terrorists since al qaeda killed nearly 3,000 americans on 9/11. the president has not been luctant to apply the definition of war against the terrorists that have attacked us. frankly, that's why he believes it's so important for congress to fulfill their responsibility. to pass an authorization to use military force that would send a clear signal to the country, to our allies, and to our enemies, that the country is united in this effort against isil. i think the thing the president has also taken pains to point out is that we are not at war with islam. we are at war with a terrorist organization that attacked us, that perverts islam, to try to recruit people to their cause. reporter: [inaudible] -- when airplanes were used, there was pretty immediate -- in terms of

airport security and procedures. [inaudible] -- there could be a threat virtually anywhere there could be a truck. any thoughts or discussions going on at this point about any sort of security changes in the u.s. involving trucks? mr. earnest: i'm not aware of any changes like that that are being contemplated right now. as i mentioned, tehran, there's a lot more we need to learn about this particular incident. if there are some stems -- steps that our homeland security professionals conclude that we can take that would enhance our security in this country, given what happened in nice last night, then i'm confident they'll move forward with implementing those security measures. reporter: -- [inaudible] -- that this individual was apparently not on any terrorist watch list. many of the perpetrators of recent attacks have been known to at least some intelligence services. this person appears to have been much more under the radar. how concern something that? mr. earnest: i think this actually goes to john's

question, which is, we're mindful of the risk that is posed by a so-called lone wolf. this is an individual that doesn't have immediate or necessarily even any direct ties to a terrorist organization or a broader terrorist network or conspiracy. these are individuals who are radicalized based on propaganda that they view online. that propaganda prompts them to carry out these violent attacks. we're quite concerned about it. it's very difficult to interrupt, disrupt attacks that are plotted and planned just by one person. that said, the department of justice on a regular basis issues news releases of individuals being apprehended based on investigations that they've conducted and based on

what they have concluded as solid evidence of these individuals preparing to carry out a lone wolf attack. so we do have mechanisms in place to disrupt those kinds of plots. the department of justice and our men and women at the f.b.i. are quite skilled at doing so. that's very difficult work. director comey, when talking about an attack here in the united states, described this as a situation of looking for not just a needle in a hay stack, but looking for pieces of hay that turn into needles. that's a particularly challenging task. it's one that the f.b.i. and the department of justice is quite good at. but it's very difficult nonetheless. that's something that -- this is not a threat that just the united states faces. this country -- there's countries around the world, including france, that have to counter this threat as well.

reporter: two questions. one, i've seen comments by speaker ryan that he's leaving open the possibility of a t.p.p. vote this year. do you have updates on when the president move forward on that? mr. earnest: i don't have any updates at this point. the white house is committed to working with speaker ryan and leader mcconnell to try to get t.p.p. ratified. we've acknowledged that our ability to succeed in that effort is going to require working in bipartisan fashion. i don't just mean the democratic president working with the republican leaders in the house and senate. i also mean that the republican leaders in the house and senate are going to have to coordinate with not just the members of their republican conference, but they're also going to have to work with democrats on capitol hill to build the bipartisan majority that's necessary to ratify t.p.p.

the president also obviously believes strongly that congress should ratify the t.p.p. as soon as possible. he believes that it includes significant benefits for the american economy, for american workers and for american businesses. this is an agreement that includes the highest ever standards as it relates to the environment and to labor conditions. human rights, protecting intellectual property. what's notable is those higher standards are enforceable right inside the agreement. the president believes that this is an effective strategy, not just in terms of looking out for the u.s. economy, but also in countering the growing influence of china in that region of the world. if the united states shies away from trying to raise these standards, we know that china will not hesitate to step into that breach and write standards that put american businesses and american workers at an even further disadvantage. when it comes to a strategy of

preparing the country to counter globalization and to counter china, the t.p.p. is our best bet. reporter: a different subject. zika funding. yesterday house and senate appropriators sent the white house a letter asking if the h.h.s. secretary could reprogram funds and maybe provide more funds for zika that way. any interest in doing that? mr. earnest: i don't have any announcements like that. the department of health and human services has already reprogrammed several hundred million dollars in funds for this effort. we did so even though we continue to be quite concerned of the risk ential that's posed by ebola. so to further take away funding from that effort in order to fight zika is -- could potentially be counterproductive. so it's something that we're quite reticent to do. i think what we'd simply like

to see is congress respond to the requests from democratic and republican governors across the country and from our public health professionals who laid out exactly what resources they need to do everything possible to protect the american people from the zika virus. the president put forward that legislation back in february. here we are almost five months later and congress hasn't approved that request. that's a source of deep disappointment to the president, it's also something we're right now not doing everything possible to protect the american people from the zika virus. that's something that republicans and congress have to account for. reporter: the french authorities released the name of the driver of this truck, the man who was shot by police. can you confirm at this point that that name was not known by any u.s. authorities? mr. earnest: i think you have to check with intelligence

community for any information that they may have had about this individual. i know that what french authorities have indicated is that he was not somebody who was considered a terrorism suspect there. he was somebody who's interaction with law enforcement had been limited to him committing some relatively low-level crimes. again, it underscores the lone lf attack threat that is particularly hard to disrupt. reporter: -- [inaudible] -- terrorist attack, french authorities, what if it is confirmed there are no ties at all to any terrorist groups for this man? there appear to be first indications that all this might have been was a bad personal situation for him, a case of depression, a divorce he was going through. nothing to do at all with terrorism. would you still stick with that definition if that was the case? mr. earnest: well, as i noted

at the beginning, we still need to learn more about this individual, about his potential motivation for carrying out this terrible attack. and his potential links to any other organizations. we are going to support the french investigators who are leading the investigation of the there are significant capabilities we have to assist them and we won't hesitate to use them. reporter: the department of homeland security traveling. is the president going to do that? mr. earnest: we'll keep you posted. secretary johnson signed the condolence book and spent time with the french ambassador to the united states. but we certainly intend to

continue those consultations in the days ahead. reporter: can you explain the thinking when you use the word terrorism on this, because when you look at something like we're not sure what that means, like what happened in orlando versus a developed conspiracy plot that was planned and executed. the term used by the white house is the same but the situation is different. can you explain how you see and the thought in using that term. mr. earnest: we are using that term because french officials have used it. reporter: it appears to be terrorism. mr. earnest: our view is terrorism. the allies are conducting the investigation. as they learn more about this investigation and update their assessment and i'm confident we will. we will work with them on that

investigation. and if that is their assessment, we'll do the same. as the president said last night, that appears to be terrorism and the french president has said it and the people of the united states stand shoulder to shoulder with our oldest ally as they confront terrorism in a variety of forms. reporter: it seems these days regretly the flag is at half staff more often than not. each time ing normal these attacks happen. is it the new normal and happens every time there is an attack and this is part of us winning on the battlefield that this is kind of lashing outgoing to happen. if the public will look at that

and say it is that much more terrifying. in the streets -- [indiscernible] mr. earnest: there are differences between a large scale terrorist conspiracy and the kind of lone wolf attacks that we have seen. those large scale terrorist conspiracies have the potential to be much more bloody, to be much more violent and claim many more deaths than the kind of lone wolf attacks that we have seen in the last few weeks. we certainly grieve for those who have been lost in these lone wolf attacks and expend significant resources in our vigilance in trying to prevent lone wolf attacks, but they are materially different. and they require a different strategy, but a strategy that we

are just as committed to implementing in order to protect the safety and security of the american people and of our allies. reporter: you have a calendar on the next week an anti-isis coalition meeting. is that going to change? mr. earnest: this is a meeting that secretary carter is convening with his counterparts who are making a substantial contribution to our counterterrorism efforts. he organized that meeting and scheduled at the end of next week at and dues air force base. ifandrews air force base but there are updates we will let you know. reporter: secretary kerry said when he was in moscow and said it is the sing the greatest

incubator and does the white house agree and doesn't that uestion not to use large-scale military force should be revisited. is there an acknowledgement of an overestimation of this being contained? mr. earnest: what i would say is that we have been concerned about the potential terrorist threat from isil for more than two years now. and the president formed an international coalition of 66 nations to counter and degrade and destroy it. because we are mindful of the terrorist threat that eminates from there. i think what the president would argue is also true and we are happy to have this argument, is that as difficult and violent

, d complex as this problem is the ultimate solution is not a military one. we can certainly apply significant military pressure and devote significant resources and we have against isil to counter them, degrade them and to ultimately destroy them. but the root cause of all of this has been the failed political leadership of president assad. reporter: in terms of the estimation of this being the biggest incubator of terrorism in the world. was that underestimated by the white house? mr. earnest: we have built a coalition of 66 nations and conducted 13,000 air strikes against them, based on the significant commitment of resources, not just the military effort but to organize our diplomatic efforts to prevent

them from recruiting foreign fighters, the strategy we have implemented against them has yielded important progress. but the president acknowledged at the beginning that this is a long-term proposition and going to require some tenacity and follow-through that we wouldn't be able to chart our progress in a straight line and there would be some days where we feel we are making progress and occasionally we would suffer a set back. and any time you see the loss of so many innocent people in allied nations, that certainly is a day where it's hard to feel like you are making a lot of progress. and that's why we mourn with our french allies. but it's not going to diminish our commitment. if anything, it's going to further energize, our multi latty -- multi lateral effort to destroy isil.

whether or not this person had ties to ice ill, the president is committed to making sure we do everything possible to protect the american people. reporter: the intelligence committee has published -- declassified 28 pages. for people who are not awash in this on a daily basis, what does the white house want the american people to take away that the pages are now available and what the white house's perspective that are now out there and how the white house feels about that? mr. earnest: the number one take-away that this administration is committed to transparency even when it comes to sensitive information related to our national security. just within the last couple of weeks, the administration published for the first time the mbers of people who --

civilians, who were casualties from a u.s. counterterrorism operation. the administration worked to declassify key elements of the c.i.a. interrogation report that was written by the united states senate intelligence committee. and this -- today's announcement was part of an effort to be as transparent as possible about investigative material that was collected in the context of investigating terror attacks of 9/11. this information even as it's now publicly available, does not change the assessment of the u.s. government that there's no evidence that the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda. i'm reading that language because that's the language that was included in the 9/11

commission report. and the 9/11 commission was able to draw on the information that has been declassified today as they wrote their report. they did follow-up interviews and to further investigate those leads. those leads didn't turn up anything as it relates to specific evidence about the saudi institution or senior saudi officials. reporter: interesting how they use the expression senior saudi officials. does that mean to suggest that maybe there were lower-level saudi government officials that may have been involved in providing material support that were at least to have been alleged co-conspirators? mr. earnest: that is a comprehensive document that was written to provide as much information as possible as to what contributed to the attacks of 9/11. reporter: also was said on a previous occasion that the white house was against -- and i'm

wondering why there was a disconnect between the white house's view when there are so many in the united states senate overwhelmingly so feel this is a good idea? mr. earnest: this is about the risk would pose -- reporter: pretty narrow, wouldn't you agree? mr. earnest: based on the analysis cuggetted by the lawyers in the u.s. government, the way the open u.s. companies and even potential u.s. personnel to vulnerabilities when they are engaged in actions or conducting official government work overseas. there is an important preliminary related to sovereign immunity and when you are the most powerful country in the world, you are invested in the idea of sovereign immunity given

how deeply the u.s. is involved. we believe that is worth protecting and that is the concern that we have with this legislation, at least the way the most recent draft was put forward. doesn't have to do with any specific country, but rather has to do with our concern of a specific presume that benefits the united states and private u.s. interests in countries all around the globe. reporter: instances, just broadly speaking that the white house found concerning in the review of some of those 28 pages. specifically there seems to be a suggestion that there may have been material support provided to one of the so-called co-conspirators. and while you said there is no specific proof, were there areas that white house were concerned that some things didn't pass the so-called smell test and looked

suspicious? mr. earnest: the white house hasn't conducted an investigation. there was a 9/11 commission that was formed that looked at all this evidence and were able to follow up on this information and follow these investigative leads. i know they did interviews in other countries to pursue those leads and despite that investigative work, they didn't find any evidence that the saudi government as mr. allen: institution or senior officials funded al qaeda. those are the opinions of the outside experts and that nclusion is unchanged by the release of these 28 pages today. reporter: deflategate is apparently over and said he is going to be out four games to start the four games of the nfl eason.

concerned re you about the open carry laws in ohio emwith the convention starting next week? mr. earnest: the secretary of homeland security and united states secret service have been focused about providing security for the democratic and republican conventions in philadelphia and cleveland respectively. homeland security officials have been in close touch with the local law enforcement in ohio and pennsylvania to ensure the safety and security of not just the party nominees, but the convention delegates and the reporters who will be in attendance. i know their efforts are protecting the first amendment rights of people who may want to

register protests at the conventions and those rights will be protected. but the president's expectation is that people who are protesting should do so peacefully and law enforcement officials will certainly be in place to ensure that those rights are protected. reporter: there are a lot of people carrying guns. mr. earnest: there are some limitations in the context. but i'll let the department of homeland security speak to that. porter: will try to get -- [indiscernible] mr. earnest: i wouldn't think the president would think they are antagonistic. i think this is largely a social event but i think it will have a more serious tone in light of the terrorist attacks in nice last night. reporter: your decision not to weigh in on donald trump's choice for his vice presidential

pick. do you plan on weighinging in as the process goes forward? mr. earnest: i don't anticipate having much of a reaction to his selection. reporter: at this point. as the process moves forward, you may weigh in? mr. earnest: i don't have any plan in the back of my mind to weigh in on this. reporter: on nice with what happened in nice, in your view, the president's view was this unique to france? could something like what happened in france happen here in the united states? mr. earnest: as i mentioned in response to a couple of other questions, the president is deeply concerned about the threat posed by lone wolf attacks. forms.takes a variety of

we are coming up on the anniversary of the shooting at military recruitment installations in chattanooga, tennessee. there are some aspects of that investigation still ongoing, but many people have described that as a lone wolf attack. the situation in san bernardino where a husband and wife carried out an attack, they were not directly connected to a broader conspiracy or terror plot, but there is no evidence of that at this point, but they were able to coordinate among the two of them and it was very difficult to disrupt that plot. we saw a similar dynamic in orlando. we understand that this is a threat that needs to be countered and confronted and it is a different threat posed by the 9/11 co-conspirators that killed more than 3,000 americans on one day. so this threat is different, a

different scale, but one that is still dangerous and one that the president and the rest of his national security team is determined to prevent. reporter: is there anything that you can say to lessen the level of anxiety that people may feel fter seeing the horrific video they saw? mr. earnest: there are a couple of things. it's important for the american people to understand just how rigorously their government is focused on preventing that kind of violence in the united states. that's why we have worked so hard to degrade and ultimately destroy isil. and when the president first took office had identified them as a top priority. the united states works so closely with our partners around the world because by

cooperating, we know we can be more effective in countering this threat. so the american people should take some solace in knowing this is the high priority of the commander of chief in the greatest country in the world and we have enjoyed successes in limiting that threat. it's not uncommon for the department of justice to make announcements of these plots being disrupted even though we know how difficult it is. and we have able to chart the progress we have made. iraqi forces with the support of our coalition have taken more than 45% of the land inside of iraq that isil previously controlled and we have enjoyed important strategic victories in fallujah and the military air base -- that's evidence that we continue to make progress against isil. and the president continues to be mindful of the other threats. the president continues to be

mindful of the al qaeda threat that we know is present inside of syria in the form of nusra. we are aware of the threat posed by isil in places like libya where they are trying to capitalize of the chaos and the threat that eminates from al qaeda affiliates in north africa and this is something that our french allies deserve credit on. we have relied significantly on the french to use their expertise and their history in that part of the world to counter al qaeda extremists in places like mali. they have made important progress in the world and the united states is safer as a result of their efforts. we benefit from the capacity and determination of our allies in france. that's why we are going to stand with them, even in this difficult time in that -- their country. reporter: it was announced that

the president will be here next friday. why does this meeting come about now? and give us information what the two of them will be talking about? mr. earnest: it will be an opportunity to continue the conversation they had in canada. the two of them had an opportunity to have a meeting in the context of the north american leader summit and will continue their conversation on a range of topics. our security coordination with mexico is important to both our countries and that will be an important aspect of their conversation. mexico is part of the t.p.p. agreement and i'm confident we will have the opportunity to talk about ways that we can deepen our relationship, our economic relationship in a way that will have benefits for both our economies and workers in both our countries. the president's optimistic that we can substantially transform

our economic relationship with mexico, because by signing onto the t.p.p. agreement, mexico is signing on to hire label and economic issues. the president promised to renegotiate nafta and did it in the context of t.p.p. mexico wouldn't be enthusiastic about signing it if they didn't also believe that the greater economic opportunity that would be created by the deeper economic ties would be good for their economy, too. this is a wine-win and congress should act to approve it. but we'll have more next week to preview their meeting. reporter: do you know when immigration will be coming up? mr. earnest: there will be a discussion of immigration. president obama is aware of his

tireless work to try to fix the many aspects of the u.s. immigration system that's broken. implementing those reforms and repairing those problems would only strengthen the relationship between our two countries that's part of the reason the president has made it a priority. i don't know to what extent they ll discuss the status of mr. guzman. this is something that the united states department of justice is looking at and we separate the law enforcement activities from our political interference. soion to what extent the president will discuss. there is an exciting week ahead. we'll get to why in a couple of days. on monday, the president will alard lieutenant colonel charles kettle the medal of honor. then major kettle distinguished

himself in vietnam. may 15, 1967 and saved the lives of 40 soldiers and four of his own crew members. a rather remarkable story, so if you haven't had a chance to look at it, you should do so. it will be moving. on tuesday, the president will attend meetings at the white house. on wednesday, the white house summit and bring development leaders, public and private financing partners, civil society, diplomats and interviewers to mark our progress. on thursday, the day we have long awaited, the president will welcome the kansas city royals and honor the team. i'm very much looking for thursday. the president will deliver remarks at a reception. on friday, the president will welcome the president of mexico. it follows the two presidents'

meeting in canada as well as the meeting at the white house in january of 2015. the president will build upon the progress and reaffirm our bilateral partnership on a range of issues. and we will have more things to say on that meeting next week. i would anticipate there would be a news conference associated with that bilateral meeting. have a good weekend everybody. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by tional captioning institute] >> a lot of the questions focused on the attack. we expect to hear from president baum. he is speaking to the diplomatic corps and expected to talk about

the terrorist attacks. that will be on c-span 2 at 3:10. >> the republican national convention from cleveland starts monday. watch live every minute on crmp span. listen live on the free c-span radio app. easy to download from the apple store or google play. watch live or on demand at any time where you'll find our convention coverage and the full coverage schedule. follow us at c-span on twitter and like us on facebook to see videos. don't miss a minute of the 2016 republican national convention starting monday at 1:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. the c-span radio app and c-span.org. >> donald trump tweeted i have

chosen governor mike pence. >> governor pence replied back. honored to join donald trump and work to make america again. at the quicken loans arena. it was balloon day and loaded up the balloons for the balloon drop for next thursday night. this is a live look at the quicken loans arena and we will have gavel-to-gavel coverage beginning monday at 1:00 eastern. we spoke with the director about what technology is being used including a new app and snapchat. it's exciting the way we are putting technology. we know that we made a priority

and not going to get our content or message out. we are innovating that everything we touch. we are making sure there is a content operation to tell the stories around the convention that are outside the speeches and the balloons. we are trying to create an opportunity to capture content. live stream and 360 live. and integrating facebook, twitter and google. the app is going to help bring information about the proceedings in the palm of your hand in terms of the schedule, speaker bios and live stream as well. and will have experience for the folks that are coming to cleveland. information about transportation. and information about around

cleveland. we are very excited and from being at home to being here. it gives you more access. it's all about access. more than your tv screen. more than being in your seat to watch it. it makes everything is connected and will really improve the experience and improve the engagement. we are going to be using a platform that is integrated into our content plan and reach voters there and a unique insight into the convention. cebook is going to have -- helping with giving back stage. we are excited about that. twitter will be helping with

that content selection but they will have a seat on media row. and we have google our live stream video provider and see the live stream on youtube channel and they also have a build out. ot just a physical presence. we is our little mascot and campaigned around her. you have seen some of the things. we have been sharing it with the delegations and sharing it online as well and encourage everyone to look out for her and e will be do a lot more. we are working hard and actually oing to have

[indiscernible] >> we are appreciative, it takes a lot of work. i imagine i'm going to be running around everywhere. and our content teams are going to capture content from the delegates and events going around the convention. we will be have teams supporting our live streaming and videos are caught. and they are archived after they are completed. it is making sure that everything is amplified. the conclusion of the program for each evening. we are bringing the convention online. we are trying to create opportunities for people to engage at the convention just beyond the speeches. it's very exciting and we are going in a good direction and ou will be engaging. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]

[captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> online coverage with the republican national convention gets under way monday. one week after that, july 25, the democratic national convention in philadelphia. every minute of both conventions, watch it on c-span and listen on the c-span roo app. back to the iowa event center. national governors' association is holding their summer meeting. this afternoon getting under way with the health care focus on the opioid crisis. governors are gathering. we will have coverage of this session and the other session on jobs and the economy.

>> this is the iowa event center in des moines, the 2016 national governors association summer meeting and coming back this afternoon for health care focus on the opioid crisis. they will hear from the health and human services secretary, sylvia burwell. at 3:10 p.m., president obama will be speaking about the attack yesterday in nice, france. that is over on c-span 2. on the right of the screen there, terry mcauliffe, the governor of virginia and vice chair of the national governors association.

>> starting our afternoon coverage of the national governors association summer meeting and their session this afternoon on the opioid crisis.

it will be chaired by charlie baker of massachusetts and governor of new hampshire. one governor not at this summer meeting is mike pence of indiana. he has withdrawn from the race for re-election in indiana. that's because he has been selected by donald trump as his vice presidential candidate. an announcement to be formalized in new york city at 11:00 a.m. eastern. we'll have live coverage of that here on c-span.

>> folks, we will be getting started in about a minute. >> good afternoon, i'm charlie baker governor of the commonwealth of massachusetts and chair of the n.g.a.'s health and human services committee. i'm joined by the committee's two hair and joined by other governors dropped us into this conversation in a big way at the meeting we had back in

february. i want to start first of all by saying how much i appreciate the fact that so many of our fellow governors signed onto the compact that we developed to deal with this issue. last count we had 46 governors representing 250 million americans and certainly for us in massachusetts and i know for many of the folks around the table this is probably the single biggest public health issue you're dealing with and i know based on the conversations i have had with secretary burwell how big a deal this is across the country overall. i want to put to the light clock up there on the screen. it shows an estimate of the number of individuals we have lost this year which address cording to the data and will increase throughout 20 minutes to underscore the urgency we must work to find solutions and save lives.

this is the leading cause of death in the united states and affects every community across america. many have their own stories. lord knows i have heard hundreds or know somebody who has been affected. i'm fond of saying or frank in saying if you put 20 people in a room in massachusetts, i guarantee you at least one of them had a direct experience with this dreaded disease. we are going to take an anonymous poll of the audience and i turn the mike to the director of n.g.a.'s health division to help us walk through the poll. >> we are going to do a live poll during this session. everyone is invited, the audience and governors are invited to participate. in order to join the poll, the instructions are on the board if you look up on the screen. you have to start by creating a

text message on your phone to 3. number 2233 and then in the message line, ype gna 2016 and hit send. give e a moment to do this. >> let's put the poll up live. first question is a test question, have you ever attended

an nga summer meeting before? just text yes or no and then the results are up there for us. so looks like about half of the audience is new. great to see so many old friends and new friends. let's turn to the three key questions we wanted to ask of the audience. the first question was, do you know anyone who has struggled with opioids addiction. just text yes or no. all right. so what we see one out of two people in this audience knows someone who has struggled with addiction. the next question, has anyone in your family, your direct family

been affected by opioid addiction or overdoes? >> that's starting, almost a third of the audience or a quarter of the audience whose someone in their family has been affected. next question, has a friend or a a result er died as f opioid overdose? so that's a sobering moment there. within this audience, one out of four of us actually knows

someone who has passed away from opioid related overdose. that's why we are having this discussion today. i turn it over to governor baker. >> thank you very much, fred. and those numbers don't surprise me. as you walked into the room this afternoon, you may have noticed on the screens, the faces of individuals who are celebrated on operation you night's hope wall. we recognize those with those who are rebuilding their lives with addiction and recovery. this is the second time the governors have gathered to discuss the opioid epidemic. at our february meeting, there was frustration that despite all of our efforts to change the trajectory of this crisis, change isn't coming quickly enough. and this is true when it comes to the opioids prescribing

crisis that many people believe created this epidemic. we passed a resolution around strategies for changing behavior to prevent opioid abuse. and there are many factors contribute to the opioid crisis and the approach to the problem. we worked with our fellow governors to develop a compact to fight opioid addiction which is an effort to coordinate state actions in response to the crisis. we believe by uniting the governors around the comprehensive set of strategies, the compact brings new efforts to reign in stigma and ensure a pathway to recovery. the compact sends a powerful signal to health care providers, drug manufacturers and others whose participation and partnership is critical to ending this public health crisis. i'm proud to report that the

compact was released this week and as i said previously and has the signatures of 46 governors representing 250 million americans. thank you for your partnership n leading this effort. and i want to thank all of our colleagues who signed the compact and continue our work that we as a nation in fighting this addiction. to further support governors, the n.g.a. worked with senior state officials and other national experts on a comprehensive road map to highlights evidence-based and promising strategies. governors should have a copy of the road map before them. and if you have questions before this, address them to fred. before i move to the main part of the program, i turn the floor over for additional remarks and announcements.

>> thank you. it's been a real honor and privilege to work with you this year on the n.g.a. health and human services committee as well as with our fellow new england governors to focus on this critical issue which is truly affecting not only both of our states, all of new england, but i know all the states represented here and the others that aren't throughout our country. in new hampshire and massachusetts, we have been pushing for urgent action to combat the heroin and opioids crisis and help save lives and i'm truly proud of the work we have been able to do with our fellow governors. our opioid compact reaffirms that governors from both parties are committed to working on a multi pronged and coordinated approach in our individual states to combat this crisis and we have worked together as a group to encourage additional federal action to support states including much needed emergency

funding. as a group, governors have also been at the forefront of highlighting the importance of increasing medication-assisted treatment. i'm proud just this week we approved funding in new hampshire to help recruit and contract with physician practices to develop or enhance their capacity to provide medication-assisted treatment. this afternoon, i would like to take a moment to highlight a couple of other ways that the n.g.a. is supporting governors in our efforts to stem and reverse the tide of this truly horrible epidemic. as governors know and we'll discuss more today, a growing number of overdoses are listed to heroin and a powerful synthetic opioid that is pack acknowledged and sold as heroin or counterfeit prescription painkillers and is more lethal.

we took an important step to crack down on fet nil bringing as sale in line with heroin part of our statewide comprehensive strategy that focuses on treatment, prevention and recovery. today we are announcing a new technical assistance opportunity to help states prepare for and respond to the threat of heroin as a component of their broader plans to address opioid abuse. during a six-month learning lab, the n.g.a. will work with up to seven states to share practices and take a deep dive into strategies for combatting this. participating states will learn and gain insights from other states and national experts about using data to more effectively anticipate, detect d respond to the emergence

heroin as part of an approach to combatting this crisis. in your materials around the table you will find requests for proposals for the learning lab. if you have questions direct them to fred during our discussion today. in addition to help strengthen the role of health care providers, the n.g.a. is pleased to announce a new partnership with the national academy of medicine, one of the nation's preimminent and author tatetive voices in health and medicine. in a moment and i want to check in with my chair here, dr. mcginnis from the national academy of medicine to discuss this with us and i'm not sure if you want to go with secretary burwell. dr. mcginnis, we would love to hear from you. he is a senior scholar at the national academy of medicine.

thank you and welcome. >> thank you, governor. i would like to underscore three self-evident points, i will be brief and very clear. first on behalf of the national academy of medicine, thanks to you and governor baker, to the n.g.a. and to every governor in this room and in the nation who has given priority to the prevention, identification and treatment of the devastating consequences of opioid abuse, misuse and addiction. second, the issue is clearly personal. we saw the faces and the numbers and i would imagine that there aren't too many people in this room who when they hear the word opioid addiction don't have a personal face flash before their

mind's eye. but more than that, it clearly is a complex multi-faceted challenge for stakeholders, for physician, navigating between our moral and professional duties to relieve suffering. in the midst of uncertainty around variations and success cements and circumstances. and for social and health policy. the problem that services are often organized around programs and not individuals and for science, the physiology of addiction and how it various from substance to substance and person to person and the nature and effectiveness of treatment from behavioral and social and the clinical interactions among each. the list goes on and because it ultimately our effectiveness is determined by local action, the leadership that resides in the

road map of the governors is critical as is the national support for those efforts that are reflected by secretary burwell's leadership. formally the nation's chartered independent entity for advice in health and medicine, the national academy of medicine is committed to helping in this work. two examples are important to underscore in the context of this session. first, to help the food and drug administration in its efforts to ensure that its regulatory policies provide ultimate guideposts and boundaries. we have a study ineffective pain management, opioid use and abuse and the approaches and needs to balance individual effectiveness and public health consequences.

secondly, to help physicians navigate the difficult challenges of their practices in the context of the uncertainties mentioned. we are partnering with the national governors association to steward the development of a national academy of medicine white paper that will translate the findings of the study and other contributions into the practical clinishian best practices that are needed. we anticipate being able to release it next year in rhode island and look forward to that partnership and its fruits. thank you again for your leadership, the partnership and for the opportunity to be here to emphasize the priority for all of us. >> thank you very much, dr. mcginnis. we are grateful to you and all of our distinguished guests for your commitment in the fight against this terrible epidemic. >> thank you, governor.

today's discussion is going to be broken up into two parts. we are prifled to be joined by u.s. health and human services sylvia matthews burwell. following her remarks in discussion with the governors here we will turn to our second panel of experts from washington state, the d.e.a. and vermont. i have had the pleasure of working with and introducing secretary burwell more than once who has been a tremendous champion and partner to states. she has been terrific in managing all aspects and elements of h.h.s.'s vast portfolio during her time in d.c. on behalf of the n.g.a., i wish you great success in whatever you choose to do next and we are glad to have you here today. the secretary: thank you for your leadership in terms of the committee and what we are focusing on today. it's a pleasure to be here as always. i had the chance to see

leadership across as i look around this table whether it's the document from my own home state or even recommendations on books to read about the issue to the work, governor leading in her state. so across the board, the leadership that this aggregation in terms of the road map presents i have seen in individual states as well. hopefully we have heard your voices and these conversations that we have been having since the first n.g.a. right after i was confirmed in terms of the things you all have been focused on and need to focus on and that's what we have spent our time on. i thought what i would quickly is run through an update of the core elements of the strategy and progress we have made there and then touch on a few other things. i think you all are familiar with our three-part evidence-based strategy. you know me. i work in the threes.

number one, that issue of making sure that we are having health providers having the tools and information that they need. we put out the guideline. and now we are taking a number of steps to make sure that guideline goes out. . in addition, in our i.h.s. just last week, indian health service, we have announced they will be using pdmp's. they're the first federal agency to make sure that they will be required in terms of the prescribing both for prescribers and pharmacies that are part of the indian health service to make sure that we're closing that gap and some of those gaps exist in your states. we've also heard some of the clinicians say they were concerned that one of our c.m.s. surveys and the payments ere causing encouraging the -- encouraging the prescription of opioids. while we have not found evidence of it because of the way the money