of the internal resistance you may have come up against and how you were able to overcome it? fascinating question. and getting out of the gate, one of the most painful experiences i have had. in the sense of coming to the realization that people do not know what they do not know. that is a herculean effort,thats because you are starting with bare-bones basics of getting information out and getting people on board. and you realize you have to establish educational models they get folks on board and develop that sense of responsibility. there is a resistance to transparency.

interesting, when the breach occurred for us, how many folks said we have time, we do not need to go to market. we just have to figure this out. let's run and out as long as we can. contrary to that, i collect human nature, wanting to slow .alk it within the boundaries of regulation, do not get me wrong, we made the decision to get to market faster get the message by to our 40 million members both e-mail as well as first-class mail in order to inform them of the breach. so is something you have to deal with and overcome the personal sense of threat that people have that it exposes, that they do not know what they do not know. is, thelast thing considerations, which is, i do not have the dollars or whatever i do not

have, and therefore i cannot. it is that old saying, if you say you can't, then you won't. i think the final piece of the puzzle, leadership has to project a commanding presence that this is not going to be business as usual. the realization whether it is me as a ceo or anyone of my executive leaders, every individual lives in the shadow of a leader. and from that point forward after that breach, people know that, literally job one for me to protect the company necessitates my commitment to information. living in the shadow of the for day one and a two, i appreciate. i will start with the biggest one, it is really brought spread.

broad spread. let's say we are doing and it -- exercise, and we're going to watch how you respond and then follow up with best practices to say, where did we screw up? culturally, that is really important that we deal with this. set expectations upfront. we do not expect you to be perfect. and as we do these exercises, i have said at the state and federal level, we need a safe we mayo say, we nee -- not do everything, but if we support each other for best -- do not go just through the motions, but try to find out where we have weaknesses. thing, theeresting general population of employees did not like having the extra

verbiage on their e-mails. , that is their bailiwick, it is everyone's responsibility. it takes getting used to. as leaders, we have to set the tone for cyber to say, none of us are where we need to be. none of us are perfect, we are going to mess up. so we will see where we mess up the worse, and together figure out a way to make it right. but if we go through the joint exercises within a company or across agencies, and we do not go in saying, we are not going to be perfect and it is ok and we are not going to bad mouth or say they do not know what they are doing, it may sound like a small thing, but i worry that is the thing that could trip up a set of exercises. >> you talk about resources, what are you spending annually on protecting herself with cyber security?

mr. swedish: year one, post-breach was $100 million plus, to get us up to a standard that we felt was necessary to meet the threat. looking to the future, we now budget $50 million a year , specific to enhanced technologies. quite frank with, that does not count people. that is literally hard cost, capital deployment in order to embed new technologies. very quickly, it is fascinating, obviously i have come -- become a little more educated. i have gotten to the point were i know what i do not know. it isat i am learning is, amazing how predictive analytics has a such a substantial role in proactively looking forward and

helping us model what the risk levels may look like so we are getting ahead of the game. and i think that is the next level of investment for us, to get more deeply engaged in predictive analytics as opposed to more reactive, waiting for something to happen. simplistic way of putting it, but really predicting what the future may look like based on solid data that then gets us to the future faster than we would otherwise. ms. story: i think that is a great point. mostf us in corporations, of us have management maps where executives say, what are the biggest risks to our corporation? and a past, cyber our technology was listed as one of eight or 10 . now it is part of every one of our identified risks. we do not make it public, but we are integrating it into every single risk. joe is exactly right. the use of predictive analytics

to say, how will this affect the business? or for you governor, how it will affect the agency. there may not seem to be interconnection, but they do have it. you have to see where they are, and the predictive analytics can help you say, this one breach may affect 20 agencies where you're thinking maybe it is one or two. so i absolutely agree, it is a very powerful tool. i think we just started scratching the surface of what predictive analytics can do. get back to the core, basic way of running the shop. we experience may be resistance or angst about our efforts? as ceo i am subjected to this lockout, locked out of the system. you cannot imagine how much anxiety that created, but we now have by way of data analysis

teams, they monitor all lockout. ist an executive or anybody locked out of the system, they immediately consider that a threat. they go to that executive and walk them through what happened, why it happened, and so it is another heavy lift. but the necessity to effectively manage real-time what is happening to your system. it happens a lot, you may forget your password, and get locked out. i understand. >> questions? governor mccrory? we going to do about the talent shortage, supply and demand, how will we afford it? -- you and private sector steel all my talent.

it is a heck of a problem. what are some things you are doing for the talent now on the talent long-term? >> he is right on point with this, we had a meeting, they cannot get folks to work the federal government. we have a problem with the state government. because the private sector will pay three or four times more. get them, i amdo governor of north carolina, they are taken from us very quickly. one of the best ways and i.t. to move up is to move out. and it is a huge challenge. it has been that way for 25 years now. just curious what you are doing as far as talent recruitment and retention. typically, that means

what you're doing with i.t. talent. and i hate to be a broken record, but for us, critical infrastructure, it is not just the people and i.t.. seeing many challenges with our skilled, blue-collar workers, the technical professionals. because now instead of turning knobs in a water treatment plant, they have 12 screens thee they are monitoring levels of everything, the water quality, everything that is in it. the majority of them do not have college degrees. so one of the things we're doing is partnering with the levels of state and community colleges, stay technical colleges. and we will talk about that later because it does not get talked about a lot. they did studies about the skill sets required coming out of high school for a college freshman or someone walking straight into these skilled technical jobs. do you know the immediate needs are greater for someone coming out trying to get one of these jobs than a college freshman?

the math, the computers, everything around it is critical. for us it is multi-pronged. the first is to get these skilled professionals. andriy partner with national labor unions. we have 18 different labor unions represented across the united states. some of them have excellent training. so rather than re-create the training, we are working with going tofficially communities that are underserved, that have young people who have learned the skill, that we can bring them in, and that has been very effective for us. in terms of the i.t., we are theunate because millennials that are coming up, there is a new name for the ones behind them, but they want to do something that matters to the world. they want to have security. one thing that will help state and federal governments and utilities, many wondered what would happen when their parents lost their jobs during the financial crisis.

it is amazing to me how may 25-year-olds say they want a stable job. stable is not what it was when it was our age, to them it is five to 10 years. but you need to have the ability whether you are federal, state or utility. the altar appeal to was him that so many of these young people have. we are getting so many recruits because they want to be part of water. doy love that they will something that makes a difference. so the more we can talk about that -- now that is not everything, but if you combine stable, retirement benefits, even though they are not what they used to be, they are better than what many competitive companies can offer, along with making a difference, we are finding for us that it is being successful. i will add a quick comment. over 20ave every year

interns that we employ working with respect to going up in their career, and we put them on a variety of special assignments. but we're consular china to evaluate where we can get talent. i cannot go so far as to say it is an achilles heel as far as finding the right talent, but we have a responsibility to train and give folks a career path in this profession that allows our profession to be protected in terms of finding the right talent at the right place at the right time. >> when it comes to cyber security and critical infrastructure, what is the regulatory role of the states, and should we be working to implement regulations and laws, incentivize compliance with best practices? we have regulated operations in 16 states, which means we are regulating the

public utility commission. in new jersey for example, set up ahis year, they requirement for all utilities and a framework of what would be required to ensure every utility had that framework in place, and there was no pushback. of, i do notint think government can define specifically what everyone needs to do. but a broad framework of expectations, of come this happens and here is what we expects -- i think that dialogue is healthy and constructive and we welcome it. ask speaking from my industry's perspective, we have so many regulations that are laid on us by so many external forces, hi bodies, highg trust is an example. i can distill it down to the

states, and that is unify and standardized. anything you can do to help us build that unification that is necessary in and amongst states would be critically important. a ton ofnt you to regulations, but somehow, getting back to my term earlier, we have to collaborate, work together so that the cultural connectivity occurs amongst all the parties that are involved in this. again, unification, standardization. maybe not so much regulation. >> of there is a commission on uniform state laws. is this something you think would make sense to go for that group? recommendy try to certain areas where they want uniformity. i know in insurance regulation, be as uniform as possible across the country,

just for the facilitation of the industry. ourswedish: following breach, we were front and center with every insurance commissioner, intensely, and multiple times. difficult for me to characterize it because it is a constant work in progress. but it was amazing and uplifting how much connection there was among insurance commissioners, and individually working with of the spiritense of unification and collaboration that really benefited us and i think will be eight minus asset for us going forward. >> that is good news, i will let my insurance commissioner know that. ms. story: think you. ms. story:from a utility standpoint it is different, as long as federal and state do not conflict, because we have different regulatory constructs in every state, no two are the , so for us it is a long

environmental requirements. so we are with some customization because we have nt.te president -- precede when at theouble epa tells us one thing in the state tells us something else. that is mostly what we are concerned about. >> let's give it joe and susie a round of applause for this great panel here, folks. [applause] >> in front of you you have a brochure, i would ask you to take the brochure. i werer snyder and us -- asked, why do you recruit businesses to be safer in your states? we are only good if all 50 states are doing this. you can backdoor any state to get to any other state. you want to get to our anthem

folks, you can go to some state that has it and get to us. this is the role of a national governors association. 50 states, all going the same direction. i noticed governor brandt was looking, that is a portable phone charger you get to take with you. i sigh you looking, that is a little gift for you. you can take it if your phone gets run down. now that we are closing the we can come want to say in conclusion, what a memorable weekend we have had from the historic state capitol, the root beer floats, the fireworks, the world food prize, and what a great way to end this conference, going to the greatest fair in the history of mankind, the iowa state fair tonight. great governors, around of applause for doing that. [applause] >> this would not have happened

without the hosts who really stepped up to the plate. these are hard deals to put together. we have most of our host sponsors out there, let's give our host sponsors a great round of applause, if we could. [applause] >> finally, i want to thank our corporate fellows on behalf of all of the nation's governors. we could not do what we do without all of you folks. give them a great round of applause, as well. [applause] >> last thing i would say, tomorrow we encourage you to stop by the marriott to help package meals to help folks. the service event will run from 8:30 to 10:30. i would greatly appreciate that. without further do, i am calling the meeting to close. so for next to my gavel, all times sake, give that a rap

for us. >> thank you for everyone making a contribution to this effort. the nga is making a great it willand under terry do even better. we passed out a booklet highlighting the successes of the state. if you want one, you can contact scott and his people. there were also be a website, a continuation. those innovative things you are doing in cyber will be online input opportunity to see some of the great things taking place that you can access. thess -- contact scott of nga. >> meeting adjourned everybody. thank you. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> watch c-span's live coverage of the republican national convention beginning next monday in cleveland. eastern, weit 8:00 will take a look at past republican conventions, including the contentious 1976 republican convention in kansas city, missouri. starting with the rules debate, where it would require gerald ford to pick his running mate prior to the balloting process. from president ford and former california governor ronald reagan. >> we have just heard a call to arms, based on that platform. and a call to us to really be successful in communicating and revealed to the american people the difference between this platform and the platform of the opposing party, which is nothing but a revamp and a reissue and a running of a late, late show of the thing we have been hearing from them for the last 40 years.

the 1952 convention in chicago with dwight eisenhower. >> you have summoned me on behalf of millions of your theow americans who need great crusade. for freedom in america and freedom in the world. and he later won the 1952 election. and the 1990 six republican convention in san diego with former kansas senator bob dole. tonight at eight eastern on c-span. , government affairs lobbyist at public citizen. thank you for joining sp or do your organization put out a

report, and here is the lead line -- party conventions are free-for-all for influence peddling, the end of public financing for the conventions means party bosses turn entirely to corporations and the very wealthy. tell us more. guest: the conventions is to be a noble event decades ago when the parties would fight over who is going to be the nominee. over what sortle of platform the party is going to represent. but that was decades ago. since then, we have let private financing essentially take over the conventions. they werees ago, entirely publicly financed events, so special interest money, lobbyist money, corporate money was not part of the financing of the conventions. but the federal elections commission has of that private special interest money seep in an excellent take over and become the dominant funding source or the conventions. and this year, it is the sole

source for financing the conventions. that means that any very wealthy corporation, labor union, lobbyist, special interest group are going to be the main ones, the only ones, funding what is going to be happening at the 2016 conventions. it provides an ideal opportunity for them to put up the money for lawmakers, for the presidential candidates, rub shoulders and elbows with all the lawmakers, and actually use the event as an influence peddling soirée. host: what are the impacts on the rest of us? impact is dramatic. on capitol hill it self, we have actually banned things like wining and dining for lobbyists, so lobbyists cannot take congressman was out for dinner. ofn they get the members congress out in cleveland or philadelphia, away from capitol hill, these actually become an

ideal opportunity for these lobbyists to try to gain access and influence over lawmakers. people whoeeing the front the conventions these days business who have pending before the federal government. their job at the conventions is not just to make sure that america knows who the nominees are and what the party platforms are. that is not even the primary purpose of the conventions anymore. the primary purpose has become providing lobbyists and special interests that opportunity to be friends and hopefully beholden the lawmakers and the political bosses and perhaps the presidential candidates to their issues. influence-settling events, and for those of us who are going to be watching, we will all be seeing it on television. host: phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for craig holman of public citizen.

we have lines for republicans, democrats, and independents. we have about 30 minutes. with all that said, mr. holman, we have read that the conventions this year are having a little bit of trouble attracting corporate sponsors. what is the dynamic that is going on this year? guest: the dynamic is donald trump. the conventions have pulled in roughly $60 million to $70 million to at each of the previous conventions from corporate sources and private funders. they really do want to show up at the convention and get access to politicians. so that for -- that source of private funding has always been very reliable. the hosts convention, committees for the republican convention expected the same. businessallied

contributions coming from traditional sources, fedex, wall street, bank of america, and they just assume they are going to get this. however, many of these corporations just simply are a little nervous about donald trump's style. even though they want to rub elbows with all the lawmakers at the cleveland convention, they will he do not want that fedex aso up behind the podium donald trump is speaking. so about two doesn't operations expected -- about two dozen corporations expected to fund the republican convention have bowed out. corporations are boycotting the rnc, but democrats could lose up, too, it says. microsoft contributed more than $1 million in cash and in-kind donations in 2012. this year, their lending technology but not cutting a check. walmart considering pulling out of the rnc.

apple, which sponsored previous conventions, announced it would not donate technology or give financial support. before we go to calls, i wanted to put up this passage from a note. it is from the rnc host committed what does the rnc host committee do? guest: the host committees are the source of the private interest money that has been seeping into the convention. the host committees were an invention of the federal election commission in the 1980's to help supplement the public funding of the conventions. but the host committees have since grown in size for each subsequent convention and have now become the dominant source of financing of the conventions. this summer, there just about the sole source. they can accept unlimited contributions, no limit from

corporations, lobbyists, unions, any special interests, and individuals. they are the ones that are really going to be the source of financing. host: this came from politico, part of the host letter to sheldon abldleson. remind us who he is. guest: one of the biggest finances of republican causes, usually conservative causes. the scene no interests have come under investigation. of the biggest funders for republican causes. by the way, i want to emphasize that this letter was sent from the host committee to sheldon adolf and, and it was a desperate plea. they put in that letter that we have to get $6 million from you, sheldon, or we are going to fall short. host: let's show it again. over the past couple months,

negative publicity around our potential many resulted in a considerable number of pledges backing out from their commitments good we would greatly appreciate if you would consider a $6 million contribution to the cleveland 2016 host to midi to help us cross the finish line. guest: and a number of the authors of that letter literally do not know about it. it was signed a six leaders of the republican host committee, but it was really written with the knowledge of one. he just add it on the other five, the five organizers. the host committee has already apologized to sheldon adelson for this. it was misleading in the sense that it was trying to depict businesses, like pepsi and coca-cola, you know, and fedex, as promising to give $1 million each and then reneging on their promise. that was not the case. the host committees were just expecting them to chip in $1 million because they did so in 2012 and 2008.

so they were just telling their expectations. these companies do not break their promises or pledges. they just never intended on carrying through. host: a lot of calls coming in on this topic. judy from colorado, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. called to make a comment about the previous guest , but to address the funding, donald trump made a statement a while back that he was going to fund his own campaign, and if he did not get elected, he was going to ask for all the money back. i thought that was an interesting thing to say. as far as i can tell, bernie sanders was the only candidate that actually ran a clean campaign. people in the gold and dimes for that man.

wild --ement was made a a while back about hillary clinton having more money now than donald trump and that he was going to need to ask for his money back. the whole thing is ridiculous to me, because he is the most embarrassing thing i have seen represent the united states. what is frightening me is that campaign,d his own and he is like a bully, trying to take his money back if he does not get elected. i mean, where does that really leave campaign funding? where does it leave a clean campaign? it leaves it nowhere. and ashamed ofd having somebody like donald trump running for president of our country. host: thank you for calling. although i agree with much of your analysis, i do disagree -- one of the silver this is the most

expensive, the messiest, the darkest financing of a campaign that we have ever seen in american history, that there is a big silver lining to it, and that is americans are disgusted with the amount of money that is going into our elections. and they really, really do not like the fact that they do not know where most of this money is coming from. bernie sanders and donald trump have highlighted that problem in very different ways in their campaigns. and hillary clinton is now ofning on to a sweeping set campaign finance reforms. so the bottom line here is campaign finance reform is going to become one of the most deciding votes choice in 2016, and i am expecting that congress and whoever is in the white house is going to respond following the 2016 elections. -- sandra isutah

going from utah. caller: craig, i could not disagree with the previous caller more. i think it is a shame when these companies give so much money. they only give money because they expect something in return. the fact they are not funding .he rnc this year is a plus trump has actually promised that i am not going to take your money because i am not going to do favors for you, because i am going to work for the american people. the rnc might be a little lean this year as far as contributions, but i think it is actually a plus for his campaign. guest: the rnc is probably going to be a little lean this year, but they are getting plenty of corporate money. chevron, at&t, corporations galore are footing the bill for the rnc convention.

they will probably end up raising and spending summer around $70 million -- somewhere around $70 million on the republican convention. democrats probably about $65 million in philadelphia. these are still some of the most expensive conventions we have ever seen, even though there are corporationsn shying away from the republican convention. i want to also emphasize that many of the corporations that are announcing they are not going to fund the republican convention, nevertheless, are going to find ways to get there lobbyists at the convention. you know, no corporation, no labor union, no special interest wants to forfeit this free-for-all that is going to go on in cleveland and philadelphia. so even though they may not want the corporate logos associated with the convention, i suspect they will have a presence there anyway.

host: what do the corporations expect? what do they get for the money they are putting out there? guest: take a look at recent history. of the biggest industry funders of the conventions was the pharmaceutical industry, and this was at the time in which the pharmaceutical drug bill was being debated on whether or not fromn imported drugs canada and other countries, less expensive drugs. they got that legislation through. in 2008, the big issue was the financial collapse, and wall street tended to be one of the biggest financiers of both conventions. i want to emphasize, these corporate sponsors do not pick one convention over the other. they overwhelmingly tend to want to fund both of them. they are buying access and influence. they really do not care so much as to which party dominates. and in 2012, once again, we see,

like, hedge funds as the dominant sponsors, along with the oil industry, and this was during the fracking debate. the pipeline debate. clearly, these businesses believe it is worth their expense. host: robert, harrison, arkansas, democrat. caller: thank you very much. c-span is wonderful. that even today, lobbying has a limit. it -- they are limited in their money. i will remind you, country of --gin labeling. repealed labeling got repealed because of lobbying. trans canada is trying to get back billions that they put in pipeline through a global tribunal. i do not know where that money will come from it lobbyists know

that the two-party system works best for them. they can get christians in there and pro-life, you know, even though communist china demands abortions. they can go into iraq and take out hussein and make that open door policy to iran and turn around and say we hate iran. these things can happen. but the fear is for places like c-span to bring in these other issues, these other candidates. and if you do that -- i think even c-span has that fear. israel with 24% of the vote. and until he came and spoke the for the u.s. congress and got a standing ovation, you know, those people would say we do not support his bill and we will be out. it took the common sense out. that is the24% or fear right now. if we promote jill stein or if

we promote johnson, that percentage can increase, and who knows if hillary or trump will win. in my opinion, it is not going to matter a lot between the two of them. but it is concerning that if you howan extra party in there, that percentage is going to go. i think that is why c-span has limited their time, giving it mostly to trump up and clinton, and mentioning stein and johnson. necause even c-span ca influence that vote. thank you very much. host: we have covered jill stein and gary johnson. we hear your point about limiting coverage, and we do pledge to do our very best during this campaign to bring as many voices to the table as possible. on lobbyingtheme has limits. that is true.

lobbyists do not always win. however, they usually win until such time as we can mobilize the public. all politicians are accountable number one to public pressure if they sense that their constituents a very concerned and mobilized about an issue. once we can mobilize the public, then we can actually neutralize the influence of the well-financed lobbyists. so on occasion, and hopefully when it counts, that is when we can actually neutralize the power and influence of lobbyists. host: here is a tweet from tony -- host: do you know the answer to that? guest: i do not. i know that sheldon has worked with harry reid. i do not know if he is a financer of harry reid.

host: restrictions that apply to public officials in d.c. apply to folks at the convention? guest: some of the restrictions do. and those restrictions, and this is a little bit humorous, even though the restrictions do apply -- by the way, the restrictions are that if you are a lobbyist or an entity that employs lobbyists, you cannot just do free wining and dining. you can do certain exceptions you can either have a widely attended event and which there is at least 25 people who are not part of elected officials show up, and as long as they treat everybody the same, the same dinner, you can have an event might that -- an event like that. or you have the toothpick rule, an exception, and the food and wine has to be just nibbles, snacks essentially. at theules still apply

conventions. thing is, most people do not recognize that. the conventions have long been considered a rules-free zone when it comes to ethics. as a result, we see many violations of these rules at the convention spirit what we are doing at public citizen is trying to do a bird dogging campaign to educate members of congress and lobbyists as to what the rules are, what they can permissibly do when it comes to hosting parties, but then also trying to identify those parties at the conventions that would appear to be in violation of the rules. once we identify those, we alert the press, and hopefully the press will crash those parties and record what is going on. it is a fairly ambitious program , but just to emphasize the zones of the

conventions, i have done this since 2008, and of the hundreds of parties in 2008, 2012, and coming up in 2016, i have been able to close down one party. ,ost: mario, mckinney texas, republican. caller: good morning. thank you for such a wonderful program. it is a real pleasure listening to some good stuff. listening to the pundits on both sides of the aisle. having said that carmen i have to's -- having said that, i have to say that it seems that the convention, both sides of the multibillionaires, very fewlionaires, but ordinary people like myself will have any say in the conventions, both of them.

do you have any comment on that? also, bernie sanders talked about revolution in this country. do you think this country is ready for a revolution or will it be ever ready for a revolution? host: thanks for calling. guest: the first question is much easier. yes, both conventions, the financing is dominated by business interests, labor unions, special interest with business pending before the federal government, and they are footing the bill for these conventions because they hope it them access to party leaders and legislative leaders and the presidential candidates, and the final hope is that it will buy actual influence. you know, when you take a look at the funding level -- i mean, first of all, when you go through a host committee, there are no limits how much money you

can chip in. at the republican convention so far, we know there is roughly about nine people who have provided $20 million to help fund the republican convention. clearly, they are putting in that kind of money and expecting to get something in return for that. when you take a look at what finance for the conventions directly through the party committees, individuals can actually put out $133,600 to help finance specifically the conventions, per year here at so if they wanted to do it for two years in a row, we're talking double that. who can afford that? cannot,ou cannot, i most americans cannot. the only ones who can afford that type of price tagged are actually billionaires and millionaires, and those are the people we tend to see dominate oath conventions. host: how do disclosure rules

work these days? guest: they go to the host committees, and host committees do not disclose where they get the money and tell 60 days after the convention. at this point, we are mostly speculating as to how much money the host committees have brought in and from who. the speculation comes largely from news stories. the party committees file monthly reports, so we are able to follow who is putting in that $133,000. tweet -- why did mccain-feingold fail? every attempt to reform campaign finance failed. attempt to reform has not failed, and mccain-feingold did not fail. it was a phenomenal, sweeping campaign finance reform legislation that was working. it shut down soft money to the parties. donorated literally 100% disclosure of where all the money was coming from, even from

outside groups. so we knew where the money was coming from. we shut down secret corporate financing of the campaigns itself. the legislation works. the robertsd was supreme court stepped in, and after the earlier supreme court, which also was no liberal court, by the way, that was a thatrvative court, it held law. the roberts court, just a few years that, step in and reversed the precedent established by the supreme court just three years since. so the law works. it is the roberts court that stepped in, especially with the citizens united decision, and fromust pulled the rug out under the law. host: linda from south carolina, republican. caller: hey, how are you today?

know, hillary you clinton says she is going to reform campaign finance. that look at all the money she has gotten from wall street. so she complains about and will not disclose what she is getting. also, she claims income equality. why don't they put their money in first to help these poor people instead of putting it on the backs of everyday workers and senior citizens? it is really sad that they can spend all these dollars and stuff and take in all this money from the middle east and forget to disclose some of it. there are people in this country hurting so badly. i work with seniors and watch some of them suffer so bad because of all of this. i think it should only be able to have so much money for campaigns. timeall started in obama's

with the mega-billions of dollars. i think it is time for it to stop. it should have stopped for this campaign. host: thank you. answer the want to question about hillary clinton and campaign finance reform. from what i can tell, she is very serious about campaign finance reform. you know, she has been in close negotiations with the reform community, including itself, on trying to, you know, craft a strong campaign finance reform agenda. ago, she came out a visually endorsing a constitutional amendment to overturn the citizens united decision by the supreme court. that is a sweeping, bold step. granted, hillary clinton is a big fundraising operation, like obama. that if she runs on a platform money,ng to curb dark

excessive money in politics, if she runs on a strong campaign finance reform platform and gets elected, her office, largely because of that, she is going to be obligated to carry through. reform,campaign finance it is a very real issue in 2016. host: time for a few more calls. from cleveland. the republican convention starts monday. caller: thank you for taking my call. comments,uple other one that big business has always controlled politics since the 1900's. prior to that, it was something difference. but what you said about hillary being --who is also bernie sanders has now said he will support her, a confirmed

socialist. it sounds like your leanings are a little bit in that direction. it makes me suspicious of your motives. and if this country goes socialist, the american public is finished. i am sick and tired of people pretending who they are not, rather than who they are. hillary clinton has lied to this country through her teeth. the fact that people support her and men hating women like hillary and debbie wasserman schultz, and i'm not being un series about in, white men are getting upset about this stuff, and hope others are also. you socialists are finished in this country, believe it or not. thank you so much for your time. host: craig holman of public citizen. guest: i am as clear as day on this, i want strong campaign finance reform. i want to reduce the power of wealthy special interests on influencing our public arena. and i want to end dark money

altogether, make sure it is all above board. campaign financing is the only method in which we have been able to hang onto democracy in the united states. we are this peculiar system where we have an economy based on any quality, capitalism, and -- based on inin quality, capitalism, and the other system based on equality. and thethose together tentative relationship, we need to have a barrier when it comes to campaign finance. that is where campaign finance laws step in. they reduce the inequality influence of our economic system and strengthen the egalitarian impulses in our political system. campaign finance laws that those two systems together to make it work.

host: new york, independent caller. caller: thank you. i am a little depressed going back to the two previous callers. informed.oorly i think they are sincere. but i know what tv channel they watch regularly. the question regarding citizen united, trump says he is opposed to big money in politics, but i assume he would nominate very conservative judges. so what are the odds of citizens united being thrown out the window? guest: well, donald trump, when it comes to campaign finance reform position, he has not staked out a position. his position has been that he is so wealthy, he cannot be bribed. although that does dance around the issue of the corrupting influence of money in politics, it is not a campaign finance

reform position. what he is essentially saying is that the only people who should be running for public office should be millionaires and billionaires who cannot be bought. i do not call that democracy. that is more appropriately called a plutocracy. he has not really staked out a position yet on campaign finance reform. and we have asked him to. the same ask we have given to hillary clinton, we have also given to donald trump and have received no responses from donald trump, whereas hillary clinton is picking up on this and sensing that money in politics is going to become a critical issue in this election. from ohio,call, ed democrat. caller: good morning. i was surprised to hear you, mr. holman, talk about campaign finance reform in the next congress.

my understanding is that the only way to get around the problems created by citizens united is to do a constitutional amendment, which takes more than congress. it takes all the states basically ratifying or requesting it. what am i missing here? campaign conceivable finance legislation, isn't that money just going to hide behind corporate names? guest: well, we can solve much of the problem, even without a constitutional amendment. many of the problems created by the citizens united decision can we address by legislation or even by regulation. if we got a federal legislation commission that was responsive. we can get rid of dark money. we can institute fairly strict campaign finance limits. of public up a system

financing of the elections, small donor matching funds here it would basically and hands the significance of average americans making smaller contributions. there is a great deal we can do short of a constitutional amendment. that if we want to really address all of the musket -- misgivings of the citizens united decision, either a constitutional amendment is appropriate, or what is more realistic is changing the composition of the supreme court. remember, one of those justices, justice scalia, has left the court. he was on that conservative bloc that created citizens united. so whoever is the next president , that person will be appointing the next supreme court justice that is going to throw the court one way or the other on citizens united. host: craig holman

journal is in cleveland for the republican national convention. sunday, a preview of the convention. for "washington journal," life from cleveland, beginning at 7:00 a.m. eastern sunday morning. the republican national convention just a couple of days away, indiana governor mike pence was formally introduced today as donald trump's running mate. is a former u.s. representative who became governor in 2013. he originally planned to seek reelection this november, but has since withdrawn from the gubernatorial race for a chance to be a part of the republican presidential ticket. with that, i would like to introduce a man who i truly believe will be

outstanding in every way, and will be the next vice president of the united states. governor mike pence. thank you, everybody. [applause] gov. pence: on behalf of my family, would you join me in thanking donald trump and his family for the sacrifices they are making in making america great again? [applause] gov. pence: and i thank donald

trump, the confidence you have placed in us, and i accept your to run and serve as vice president of the united states of america. [applause] gov. pence: i come to this moment deeply humbled, but with a grateful heart. grateful to god for his amazing grace. grateful to my wonderful wife. ,nd our three incredible kids michael, charlotte, and audrey. and grateful to this builder, the spider, this patriotic -- this fighter, this patriotic american who has set aside a legendary career in business to build a stronger america, donald j trump. [applause] say,pence: and let me having had the privilege to spend time with this man and his

family out of the limelight, i know what all of america will soon know even better. these are good people. man, andump is a good he will make a great president of the united states of america. [applause] donald trump understands the frustrations and the american people like no leader since ronald reagan. .he american people are tired we are tired of being told that this is as good as it gets. are tired of petty politicians in both parties in washington tell us we will get to those problems tomorrow. as ronald reagan said, we are tired of being told that a little intellectual elite in a far distant capital can plan our lives better for us and we can

plan them for ourselves. donald trump gets it, and he understands the american people. [applause] i truly am deeply humbled to be at his side today. when i got this call last wednesday, i could only think of that ancient question, who am i, lord? and who is my family? -- who is my family, that you have brought us this far? let me try and answer that question for a few minutes. people who know me well know that i am a pretty basic guide. christian, a conservative, and a republican, in that order. [applause] i currently have the privilege of serving the state that i love, but i am really just a small town boy. grew up in southern indiana with a big family and a cornfield in

the backyard. like donald trump, my grandfather immigrated to this country, and admitting ways i grew up with a front row seat to the american dream. mom and dad built everything that matters, a family, a business, and a good name. -- ofroes of might youth my youth were john f. kennedy and martin luther king jr.. i started in politics in the other party. but when i came of age, i was inspired by the ideals and the eloquence of our 40th president, and i became a republican. in myst important thing life is that 31 years ago, i married the girl of my dreams, karen pence, who will make a great second lady of the united states of america. [applause] and while this office is an extraordinary office to which to , the highestaspire

role i will ever play is d-a-d. i am a proud father of a college student, a graduate turned writer and a united states marine. [cheers and applause] gov. pence: i ran for congress before the republican revolution led by newt gingrich in 1994. i was not successful. got to washington, d.c., sometimes it felt like i got elected after it was over. from almost my first day in congress, i found myself battling the big spenders in both political parties, whether opposing no child left behind, prescription entitlement, i thought every single day for taxpayers and fiscal responsibility when i was a member of the congress of the united states.

and after the republicans lost the congress in 2006, i was almost unanimously elected to serve in leadership, and we nancy back against the pelosi congress. we opposed obamacare, we opposed our tax increases, we opposed cap and trade, and i was part of the team that won congress acted from democratic control in 2010 -- back from democratic control in 2010. [applause] gov. pence: and all that happened before i went back home again, to indiana. i answered this call for two reasons. first, because i know from firsthand experience that strong republican leadership can bring about real change, just like we have seen in the hoosier state. and secondly, because hillary clinton must never become president of the united states of america.

[applause] gov. pence: i'm a firstborn. i know what i am talking about. every day, we proved you can build a growing economy on balanced budgets, low taxes, even while making investments in roads and health care. we like to say indiana is a state that works, and it does. [applause] indiana works because republican principles work every time you put them into practice. today we have a $2 billion surplus and the highest credit rating in the nation. and since i became governor, hoosier businesses have created 150,000 net new jobs, and we have more hoosiers going to work than ever before in the 200 year

history of indiana. that's what republican leadership gets you. [applause] frompence: and let me say my heart, that is what the no-nonsense leadership of donald j trump will bring to washington, d.c.. [applause] gov. pence: elections are about choices, and i also joined this ticket because the choice could not be more clear, the stakes cannot be higher. americans can choose a leader that will fight to make america safe and prosperous again and bring real change, or we can elect someone who literally personifies the failed establishment in washington, d.c. of baracka half years obama and hillary clinton's policies have weakened america's place in the world and stifled our nation's economy. terrorist attacks at home and

abroad, grim and heartbreaking scenes from france just a few short days ago. the attempted coup in turkey, all a test to a world spinning apart. history teaches us that weakness arouses evil. hillary clinton and barack obama's foreign-policy of leading from behind, moving redlines, feigning resets with a resurgent russia, and the rise of isis is a testament to this truth of history, and we must bring a change to america's stand in the world. [applause] gov. pence: we cannot have four more years apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. america needs to be strong for the world to be safe. on the world stage, donald trump will lead from strength.

he will rebuild the arsenal of democracy, stand with our allies, and hunt down and destroy the enemies of our freedom. [applause] gov. pence: and at home, the choice is just as clear. where donald trump wants to cut taxes, hillary clinton plans to raise taxes, on working families, small businesses, and family farms. donald trump is committed to repeal obama care lock, stock, and barrel. hillary clinton looks at obama care as a good start and wants to take bernie sanders' path to single-payer socialized medicine. where donald trump supports and all of the above strategy and will end the war on coal, hillary clinton promised an energy plan that would close on american coal mines and put coal miners out of work. where donald trump wants to

build a wall and temporarily suspend immigration from countries compromised by terrorism, hillary clinton plans to ignore the supreme court, reimpose executive amnesty, and would increase our refugee program by more than 500%. and where donald trump will appoint justices like the late antonin scalia who will uphold our constitution, hillary clinton will appoint supreme court justices who will legislate from the bench, abandon the sanctity of life, and rewrite our second amendment. to every american who shares our convictions, i say to you, join us. for the sake of our security, for the sake of our prosperity, for the sake of a supreme court that will never turn its back on our god-given liberties, let's come together.

as a party and a people and a movement, to make america great again, and that day begins when donald trump becomes the 45th president of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] gov. pence: thank you for your honor, thank you for your support, and god bless the united states of america. [cheers and applause] ♪

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inently, we stopped cleveland, ohio to ask what issues the next president needs to address. >> the next president should definitely address the poverty issue we have going on, with employers, with knobs -- with mom's not being able to stay home with their babies, and also black lives and social injustice. a significant portion of our workforce -- [indiscernible] going to beply lost. we are losing jobs to overseas. every bilateral trade agreement shippingthey have been more products over here than we shipped to them, and we need to stop that. everyone wants more white-collar jobs in the states.

unfortunately, there's just not enough. the blue-collar workforce is where we are leaving jobs the most. we need to bring them back to the country. is for donald trump, because i believe in his foreign policy on keeping america safe. i believe in repealing obama, because obamacare is a joke, it is unaffordable, and if you are too's sake, that you are not allowed to have obamacare, so i think is policy on that will make it affordable, everyone will be able have health care. i think he has proven that he can create jobs, and he will put america back to work again. announcer: "voices from the road," on c-span. announcer: in his weekly address, the president discusses efforts by law enforcement to work with community activists. addressk's republican comes from a group of house leaders, including speaker paul ryan, on their legislative

agenda. first, we will hear from house republican conference chair cathy mcmorris rodgers. president obama: hi, everybody. it has been a challenging couple of weeks. the shootings in minnesota and baton rouge. the protests. the targeting and murder of police officers in dallas. it has left all of us struggling to make sense of things at times. for many, it can feel like the deepest faultlines of our democracy have suddenly been exposed. the america that i know, the america that i saw this week, is not as divided as some insist. i saw it on monday when i met with law enforcement to talk about the challenges they face, and how too often we ask our police to do too much. to be social workers, teachers, guardians, and drug counselors as well. i saw it on monday as a travel -- as i traveled to the memorial

for the officers to died in a line of duty. i saw it wednesday when i hosted police chiefs, black lives matter activists, state and local leaders, and others for a discussion that lasted more than four hours. a discussion on more steps we can take to support keeping our streets safe and instill confidence that the law applies to everyone equally. and i saw it on thursday, at a town hall in d.c., how we talked about how there is no contradiction between honoring police and recognizing the racial disparities that exist within our criminal justice system, and trying to fix those discrepancies. these conversations were candid, challenging, even uncomfortable, but that is the point. we have to be able to talk about these things honestly and openly. not just in the comfort of our own circles, but with folks who look differently and think differently than we do. otherwise, we will never break this dangerous cycle. that is what america is all about.

not just finding policies that work but forging consensus, fighting cynicism, and finding the political will to keep changing this country for the better. that is what america gives us, all of us, the capacity to change. it won't happen overnight. the issues we are grappling with go back decades, even centuries. but if we can open our hearts to try it and see ourselves in one another, if we can worry less about which side has been wronged and worry more about joining sides to do right, as equal parts of one american family, then i am confident that together, we will lead out country to a better day. thanks, everybody, and have a great weekend. rep. rogers: today, people are anxious. we are all anxious. we are on edge. there is a better way to make america the best place to live, to work, to build things, to raise a family.

>> last fall, we can together and made the decision that it was time to go from being an opposition party to being a proposition party. we dedicated ourselves to looking at the problems facing our constituents in the country and coming up with principled solutions. for the last number of months -- number of last months, this conference has been coming together to find the legislation to put plan out. this is a better way. rep. ryan: these ideas work in a simple way. we take timeless principles, we apply them to the problems of the day, and we offer people solutions that help improve their lives. that is based on policies are based on timeless principles that we can all agree on, stimulating growth, building a better tax code, and holding the irs in check. plans to get the economy moving again, to rebuild the middle class.

let's make america competitive again. but it needs to reach to the lowest ones -- lowest realms of america. fore offer a better way homeland security. we offer a better way to ask the military to do what we need. i think it is clear now that people in america -- to people in america that we don't like obamacare as house republicans, but they need to know what we are for, and our plan focuses on lowering health care costs and getting rid of the mandates that are killing jobs under obamacare. >> of more than anything, what people want right now is to be heard, and that is why it is so important and fundamental that we restore people's voice in their government, and uphold the constitution. let's reaffirm a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. >> as we go back to our districts in the next month, we

not only will talk about it, we will show a better way for all americans. speaker ryan: our job is to look at the problems facing this country and offer solutions. that is what we are doing. seven out of 10 americans do not think america is headed the right direction. we agree. but rather than simply complain, rather than throw bombs, we are offering solutions. >> the american people deserve a better way, and that's exactly what this house republican conference is going to deliver. week'ser: before next republican national convention, this weekend, c-span's cities our charterwith communications cable partners, will explore the history and literary life of cleveland, ohio. on book tv, we will talk with author john grabowski, as he how the how the city -- automobile changed the city's identity. then, we will visit the

cleveland public library and visit its langston hughes collection, celebrating the playwright and social activist while he lived in cleveland. >> was essential that he developed his love of writing, and that he was introduced to the work of carl sandburg and walt whitman through his teacher, ms. weimer. thate also composed a poem is kind of famous. announcer: and on american history tv, we will visit the cleveland history tour -- center, and take a look at the policy exhibit with the chief curator, highlighting items in the collections relating to ohio presidential history and cleveland's past political conventions. then, we will to or the crawford whytion museum, and hear cleveland was nicknamed motor city before detroit. key locations of

cleveland, we are on lake erie, so great shipping routes. we also had the railroad in the area, so there were a lot of railroad shipping routes that could be taken. we also had the steel industry, which is very important in the automobile industry, to have to steal we need. it kind of all came together. watch throughout the day on c-span twos book tv, and sunday afternoon on american history tv on c-span3. the c-span cities tour, working with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. "the communicators" is next, with larry strickling from the international telecommunications administration, talking about the oversight of internet domain names. then, donald chooses indiana governor mike pence as his running mate at a campaign event today in new york city.

and at 8:00, our look at past conventions continues this weekend, with 1976 republican which hadonvention, president gerald ford competing for the party's nomination against former california governor ronald reagan. peter: larry strickling is the administrator of the national telecommunications and information administration within the department of commerce. mr. stripling, what does that administration do? is theickling: it principal advisor to the president on communications and technical policy issues. we are also a unit of the department of commerce. our principal functions involve managing the use of spectrum by federal agencies. we have overseen a broadband adoption program, starting with the recovery act in 2009. we are overseeing the public safety broadband network development by firstnet