done and he continues to do. let me close by saying this. this country has a lot of big challenges, but we have a lot of great leaders in the latino community and other immunities -- communities in this country. thank you very much. god bless you. [applause] >> wow. we have had a great parade of speakers. i want to acknowledge one of my special guests. see since i've been here, i

-- name.ow the danny's father was a very, very unlvs basketball coach, running rebels, they were like a pro basketball team that played college basketball and danny was one of the stars of that team. he's gone on to be a successful entrepreneur. he just won the republican primary for congress in nevada. i think you will probably be the next congressman from nevada. denny, thank you for being here.

[applause] >> the theme of this luncheon was -- you heard this before, the speakers alluded to it -- honoring hispanic leaders. why is that important? for a lot of reasons. in our community, we say, where are the heroes, where are the champions? we have them, but often, we do not focus the spotlight on some of these individuals. we're getting ready to do that right now. i first hispanic leadership -- our first hispanic leadership award is going to a very good and longtime friend for many of us. of course, i'm speaking of rudy becerra, the vice president of london affairs for coca-cola -- latin affairs for coca-cola. he served in the white house of

ronald reagan, one of the founders of chli, on the board.c scholarship fund attending events like this, promoting other hispanic organizations and their good work. but today is a day for us to a knowledge him. i know that in a few years, rudy will leave us and go on to a well deserved retirement. think of this as your kobe going away tour. we honored you earlier this week at latino leaders. you really deserve it. friend rudy was a great of my fathers, who was the founder of the u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce. he worked with my father during the reagan administration to

build a partnership. rudy was there at a lot of momentous moments. when ronald reagan spoke at the 1983 convention in tampa, florida, the first time u.s. president had ever gone to a hispanic event, he was there when ronald reagan but i latino desperate latino -- a latino on the cabinet. he is here with us today. i would like to acknowledge him, have him come up and received the latino coalition leadership award and honor us with a few comments. our friend, rudy becerra. [applause]

rudy: thank you very much. first of all, i'm humbled and honored to be here, being recognized by the latino coalition. i have personally been very active in dutch and supportive of the latino coalition. mario rodriguez had entered this organization for many years. andve to recognize hector the general who helps run this whole thing, helen gutierrez. [applause] idy: hector mentioned that first met him when his father brought him to visit me at the reagan white house. i remember way back then, knowing this man, a teenager at the time come i knew he was

going to be a leader in our community. your father is looking down right now extremely proud. you have made us all proud of your accomplishments and you continue to be a phenomenal leader in our community. thank you very much. [applause] someone who has dedicated his life to a political and economic empowered -- thinks to the efforts of a lot of people here, we are making a big, big difference. is thing that can be said that latinos in both parties will not be taken for granted. this week hector and the latino coalition will be leading the charge to make sure hispanics , due toted with respect

our hard work that we have earned a seat at the table. one that was long ago deserved. we as republican latinos still have to play a major role and continue to forge toward this a accomplishments. wisdomenerally accepted that without a significant ,ercentage of the hispanic vote one cannot be elected president of the united states. that was evident with president w.gan, bush 41 and all of you should be congratulated for that. [applause]

rudy: under george w. bush, it has to be pointed out that he appointed more hispanics to senior executive level positions and scheduled high-level positions in his first year as insident than clinton did all eight years of his presidency. under george w. bush, he appointed the first attorney general, he was able to secure the continuation of one of reagan's first hispanic secretary appointees, to be secretary of education. many of you know that i've had the privilege of working for president ronald reagan in the white house. living in washington, working at

the white house is a very good job. living in washington, working for the president is a very, very good job. ande is rubin right there dan garza, we are all in that same club. thank you for all your leadership. president reagan is recognized today as one of the most popular and inspirational political figures in modern times. he always stayed focused and never deviated from his mission. president reagan was a charismatic leader who had a clear vision of what he wanted to accomplish as president. less government, no new taxes, strong civil defense and balanced budget. while he was never able to balance a budget, he did the other three.

in washington, three out of four is not bad at all. one of president reagan's incredible insights on the perspective of hispanics in this country -- effectively summed up one of the following quotes. he said "latinos are republicans, they just don't know it yet." that became the rallying cry for the hispanic national assembly. some people here were around at that time. theld reagan recognized republican conservative values were also hispanic values. he understood that latino culture emphasized strong religious believes, family values, patriotism and a desire to overcome poverty through hard work. the norms and values throughout history have made this -- have

made america a better place to live and has enriched our individuality in this country. , theays like to point out highest number of congressional medal of honor recipients have been hispanic. we continue to enjoy the would like all the veterans here today to stand up and be recognized. [applause] rudy: thank you for defending our nation. you are the true heroes and i share this award with all of you. in closing, i'm equally humbled by this recognition and i'm glad i've been able to play a small role in helping our community in many areas. hector, thank you very much. thank you. [applause]

hector: thank you, rudy. your company has a slogan. you embody that for us. for thethe real thing latino coalition. another round of applause for rudy becerra. thank you all for your attention and we have a couple more very special presentations and i appreciate your patience. we are honoring hispanic leaders. we want to honor another hispanic leader. our population is very large, but our community is very small. one or two degrees of separation, most of us have known each other for many years working in these trenches, working in government, working in community organizations. this gentleman is no different.

his name is daniel karzai, the garza,ive -- daniel the executive director of libre. he has not only firsthand knowledge of the immigrant experience in the farmworker experience, but he wears it on his sleeve and in his heart. of the time, everything he is thinking and saying is coming -- fromy special place a very special place deep in his heart. for a a staff assistant u.s. congressman from washington. councilman in his city. was a host and coproducer of a television show called "agenda

washington." he heads up a very important initiative, the libre initiative. excellent example of our latino coalition motto, building communities and partnerships for a stronger america. please join me in welcoming libre garza of the initiative. [applause] daniel: the most stunning award of ever received. thank you, hector and alan and everybody at the latino coalition.

we are proud to associate with the latino coalition and the work you do across america. in representing the views of latinos who are pro-business, progrowth, pro-productivity. we also feel that is the best way to create opportunity and -- well wealth are all or altered -- wealth for all. i'm so proud of my team, the work we do. effort thatnd is changing the conversation within the latino community and maybe reshaping some of the and policy agendas at the federal and state level. we are working hard towards a free society. a free society that ensures that wealth is created, that people

move up that economic l adder as fast as possible. the policies that generate poverty and government dependency, we have to have a discussion about those. policies that generate more opportunity, more access to a quality education, we have to welcome a discussion about these things. i'm proud of the work we do at libre. partners like univision, telemundo, they have been so accommodating to us. we are fortunate to have them as partners, working to advance the interests of the latino community has been a privilege and an honor. said itphilosopher once

is the man of excellence and not the common man who lives under essential servitude. eating a servant to each other, looking out for each other. looking out for the community i feel the most proud of. expresslity we show an and that we can hopefully serve as a model to the latino community. says old man,it you have been told what is good. to walk humbly with your god. that's all i can ask every day. that i have the privilege and honor to be a child of god, to walk in his steps, to follow the steps of christ and hopefully i can be a model to my children and anybody else. i humbly accept the award. thank you so much for the recognition.

thank you. [applause] >> how about another round of a anduse for daniel garz rudy becerra? thank you for your leadership. i appreciate all your patience. we have one more guest speaker. ,n the name of hispanic leaders , wanted to acknowledge them leaders in their respective organizations. gomez,we have marianne ,ominica lynch, jenny koren , andre -- the

investor of mexico was not able to make it. solano -- juan ma -- how about a round of applause for all those leaders that are here? [applause] lastly, we talked about building communities and partnerships for a stronger america and we welcome our new partner, the national hispanic -- i know we talked about how we will be working closely together with them from a national standpoint. i look forward to working with candace romero makes a director. -- candace romero, executive

director. [applause] beit is very humbling to part of this lineup of great speakers and great honorees. to thank rudy because of all the work you have done to support the national hispanic caucus of state legislators. at oure a gracious host summit last year. you really deserve this honor. thank you. [applause] i would like to be very brief come about i would like to recognize to about members here -- two of our members here. and alonzo. , aat entrepreneurs representative from new mexico. our greatrecognize

partner, pfizer, who makes this possible. to empower latino state legislators in doing the work they've been doing, so thank you very much will pfizer. out very important to point -- we have to celebrate the fact that today, there are well over 3.3 million latino entrepreneurs throughout this country and we are growing. half $1 trillion contributed to the american economy. 2012, latinosnd opened 86% of all new businesses between those years. that is really impressive and it speaks really about the entrepreneurial spirit that we have in the heart and soul of our latino community.

we have to put that story out there. i was talking yesterday to avier aboutj this. as a bipartisan organization representing the nation the latino state legislators across the country will working to ensure our leaders have the tools they need to be more effective legislators and improve the lives in our communities. when the critical issues we are addressing, ensuring hispanic businesses have equal access to state and federal procurement so they can expand their operations, hire more workers and provide quality products and services to the customers. one of the many strengths of our rapidic influence is the growth of the latino consumer appeared according to nielsen,

participated in our summit last year, hispanics had a purchase -- this is a 50% increase since 2010. think of it for a second, this is $1.5 trillion consumed by 17% of the population. the numbers are just extraordinary. fact an integral part of this country, we all have distinct heritages we celebrate. we are all hispanic, all americans here together and we celebrate this union probably. we all have common needs.

from immigration to health care, heights we the have reached, we still have many challenges to overcome and we will always drive to keep leveling the playing field for all hispanics in the united states. importanty it is so that we go out and vote because that is our voice. gracias. [applause] >> guess what? we are done. i want to thank all of you for being here. we don't want it to be every four years that we get together, so that youit to be join us, he follow us, latinocoalition.com, download

our app to you can get information, updates that are happening in the community. please remember to download our app. you will also get information for our next event. we will get ready for los angeles. we invite all of you and all of those watching us livestream as well to our next event in los angeles, september 29. to be our guest. i want to say thank you for being here. we appreciate your being here, your support and we look forward to seeing you in los angeles. thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]

>> all of our coverage of the convention and related events like this available on our website, www.c-span.org. also following the story leading up to melania's speech, allegations of plagiarism. trump's speech writer offered to resign but was rejected. part of the letter she addressed

that she wrote, addressing the issue. wrote, of the letter she addressing the issue. over the phone, she read me some passages from mrs. obama's speeches as examples. i wrote them down and included -- this is myaft mistake and i feel terrible for the chaos i have caused b melania and the trumps. coverage from the floor speeches gets underway on c-span at 7:30 eastern tonight. a number of speakers come including scott walker, ted cruz .

available on the c-span radio app and also available at www.c-span.org. now to hearting from mike pence and donald trump, arriving in cleveland. donald trump's plane has just arrived and we are expecting a helicopter ride over here to the great lakes science center on lake erie. let's take a look as we await the arrival of the candidates. ♪

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made official tonight at the convention, mike pence speaking with firefighters and others, this is the grounds of the great lakes science and her. everyone awaiting the arrival of donald trump -- great lakes science center. not clear if we will hear from the two candidates, but that is likely. we will stay here live on c-span. ♪ stones' "tellng me"] ♪

media and of the others gathered outside the great lakes science center in cleveland awaiting the arrival of donald trump, the now republican presidential nominee. mike pence, the vice presidential choice will be made official here tonight. he is one of the speakers coming up tonight. they number three of the republican national convention. our live coverage starts at six clark with our preview program, speeches that 7:30 eastern or so

starts at 6:00 with our preview program. coverage here on inpan, you can watch live video-on-demand, get convention schedules and more on www.c-span.org. donald trump is in cleveland, plane arrived at a short while ago. theper bringing him to great lakes science center. ♪

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trump: thank you, everybody. this really is an honor. we are going to win ohio, right? we are to make america great again. the last time i got accused of speaking a little long, so this time we will speak a lot short. i just want to introduce a man who's become a friend of mine, someone who will make an unbelievable vice president of the united states, governor mike pence. [applause] pence: let's hear it for the next president of the united

states, donald trump! we are excited to hear you addressed the nation tomorrow night. it has been exciting to hear from your family, more to come tonight. i'm convinced what begins in cleveland will end in the white house. thank you and god bless you and welcome to cleveland. toald trump: i want congratulate don and tiffany. eric will be great. karen, your whole family is an incredible family and we love having you with us in this endeavor. hopefully we will do an amazing job. host: we froze up on that signal from cleveland.

donald trump arriving by helicopter, actually flew into cleveland, over from the airport by helicopter. let's go back live. [no audio]

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donald trump officially welcomed to cleveland for a number three of the convention, welcomed there by members of his family, governor mike pence and his family. thebusiness tonight at convention will be officially nominating and approving mike pence as the vice presidential candidate. a number of speeches as well, including ted cruz. this tweet from the washington bureau chief for the dallas

morning news -- three formerg presidential rivals of donald trump who will speak tonight. our preview coverage gets underway at 6:00. live speech coverage at 7:30 eastern. we will hear from governor pence and people like laura ingram and others. app andc-span radio www.c-span.org. coveredtoday, we the british view of the elections -- a british view, i should say. talked about his take on the convention and the 2016 race.

>> good morning and welcome to our livestream event. we will be live streaming it on 29 websites across the country this morning. i'm cheryl carpenter. i work in washington with 60 journalists who deliver news and videos across the country. we are 100 plus years old and we are now growing our audience online. we are the winner of 52 pulitzer prizes, 11 of them with gold medals for public service. ares here we believe we able to offer insights in this election year. you will see one of our

journalists from south carolina up on the panel. the two largest newsrooms in north carolina. another journalist will be here today on the panel. and we have the largest florida media audience. audience. plus we have five newsrooms in california. we have journalists here this morning who represent excellence and commitment. the morningyou how is going to go. we will have a 30 minute talk with our guest, nigel farage. then we will take questions and our panel will come up. we will listen to them and then have another q&a. would like to thank our underwriter for this event, the apollo education group. a leading provider of higher education programs for adults. let me introduce your host for buzz, our politics

editor in washington. he is a prize-winning former national correspondent and now direct our political coverage. he also has a very popular video series and newsletter called buzz with buzz. inel farage was a key leader the vote to leave the european union. his argument was the flood of immigrants has depressed the natives of native -- wages of nativeborn british workers. he resigned as leader of the united kingdom's independence party. he said he wanted his country back and now he wants his life back. he remains a member of the european parliament for the southeast of england. an invitation to

come to the republican convention because he was interested in what donald trump had to say. that perhaps britain's exit from the eu holds a lesson for the united states. please welcome them. [applause] >> welcome. >> good morning. i will start out with a pretty easy thing. i have read that you like a glass of beer once in a while. >> it has been known. >> a few nights ago the city of cleveland posted a terrific party for all the news media. it was all beer. it was a beer and bacon blast. they had beer from ohio and michigan and illinois. you missed that. >> i hope i haven't wasted my time coming. i do like to go out for beer. i have always worked hard.

i spent 20 years in business before going out for politics. i start work at 5:00 in the morning. i like to have myself a treat at the end of the day. also -- to give the empress -- thepress that i impression that i spend all day in the pub is not quite true. >> we have a standard question we ask in the polls. would you like to have a beer with that candidate? it is a measure of the connection to voters. having said that, you missed that. other than the beer, why are you here? >> a lot of people want to hear the brexit story. it was a huge shock for the establishment in london and in brussels.

what i see in america is a lot of people asking what does brexit mean? what does it mean for relations between the u.s. and the u.k.? what does it mean for foreign policy? and there are republicans i have spoken to who think if the brexit campaign reached the beer drinking voters -- the guys who don't normally vote or have given up voting 20 years ago. if brexit reached those people, how do we? >> why here at the republican national convention? it is not a real traditional thing to have a significant foreign politician come into the sidelines at one of our conventions. >> i was invited. i thought i would come along and see it. you do things on a big scale in this country. what a huge event. >> have you been to the city arena? >> i listened to chris christie speak last night.

it's one big event isn't it? >> it is a big event. we have another one next week. >> it even bigger, i'm told. >> have the democrats invited you to that? >> nobody. i can't imagine why. >> let's talk about donald trump. you have "it as saying you had reservations -- quoted as saying you have reservations about his character. what do you think of donald trump? >> i'm not an american. i haven't got a vote in this election. i want to see him speak. i want to get a feel perhaps seeing somebody in the flesh rather than just on the television. i'm obviously going to be very careful. it is a big mistake for foreign politicians to tell people how to vote and how to think. obama came to the united kingdom during the brexit debate.

end i shall always b eternally grateful to him. he came to our country, he was rude to us, he told us what to do, and it led to a big brexit bounce. han't say at the end of the week who i think people should vote for although i will say, i would not vote for hillary if you paid me. the sense of entitlement -- what obama has done, post obama people are looking for something different. he's prepared to talk about some of the issues that perhaps others find a bit awkward and uncomfortable. they would rather brush them under the carpet. and trump talks about those things. huge amountated a of interest. i have been called over the top once or twice. some of his comments are pretty

out there. >> is that bad? >> to say that you would ban all muslims from coming into america -- apart from being impossible know.orce, you i can see what he's trying to do. he's trying to get some big messages. he's trying to reach voters who feel frustrated, perhaps scared. i get what he's doing but just occasionally the style of it makes me wince a little bit. >> have you met him? >> no i haven't. >> will you meet him this week? >> if the opportunity presents itself of course i would. >> one of the things i noted is,ng watched your speeches you are pretty good at it. you have an impressive way of speaking.

you speak in sentences and paragraphs. donald trump does not exactly speak on the same level. what advice would you give him for his speech tomorrow night? sawhere was a speech i after super tuesday. i watch that and it seemed it was a little bit different donald trump. he was not quite such a high pitch. he wasn't trying quite as hard. magnanimousightly in victory. i thought if that's the style he is going to adopt, he's going to win over even more people. something that repeated the style of that speech rather than the -- it's important to punch up big messages during a speech. wholen't do that for the of the speech. >> you are not a fan of barack obama. >> i'm a huge fan of barack obama. without him we would not have

won the referendum. he was very helpful. >> you have called him the most anti-british american there has ever been. >> the most anti-british american president that has ever been. >> really? george washington? >> that was a long time ago. >> ok, james madison. >> i'm member that vaguely. look. felt a- definitely -- i certain sense of resentment from obama towards great britain. it was interesting. when we had the oil spill and it was bp of course, he just couldn't say british petroleum enough. and i thought, you are saying something here. >> interesting. i hadn't thought of it that way. i know his first visit, he and the first lady ruffled some feathers. there was criticism about how the first lady dressed when she

met the queen. you don't think you have smoothed that over since then? >> i'm sure they are quite relevant received -- well received at buckingham palace and downing street. frankly i thought the way that obama behaved during his visit during the brexit campaign -- he kind of was talking down britain. he was telling us that we should stay part of an organization where our parliament was overruled, our course were overruled. he was telling us to do things but he wouldn't for a moment suggest that the american people should do and also think that he -- i think the state department -- i think frankly american politics has completely misread what the european project is. people say, it's a bit like nafta. no.

it is a political union being forged without the consent of almost anybody. the big mistake is what the state department line has been is, that's ok provided the united kingdom is inside the european union. we will get a european union closer to american interests. the truth of it is, we are very close allies, we are big trading partners, and now that we are freed, we can get on doing trade deals together and your best ally in the world is free to act independently. washington has had this wrong for a long time. >> is talk about the comparisons of the brexit movement and the trunk campaign. talk about the comparisons of the brexit movement and the trump campaign. >> capital cities perhaps necessarily, that is where big decisions politically get made.

it's where the big media operate from. and perhaps across the west we have seen the development of a professional political class. kind of a political class, a media class. they are interchangeable and they tend certainly in the case of the united kingdom -- our political class have all been to the same school. all been to the same university. all done the same degree. never had a proper job in their lives. they marry each other's sisters. you finish up with this very narrow view of the world. insideus it's kind of 25, a whole set of attitudes and ideas have turned against. and i suspect that the washington beltway, the

developing of the political class in washington -- isn't that to some extent with the tea party was all about? >> you talk about the weddings and marrying into each other's families. you are aware that donald trump make sure the clintons came to his wedding. >> i know. >> the media were all at the same thing. how can he possibly be an outsider against establishment? >> but if you are a big business figure in a country like this it makes sense to have relations with both camps. you never know who's going to win the next election. from a commercial viewpoint i get it. you are right. he is very very rich. u.k. ishave seen in the that the voters -- they are not concerned where you come from. they are concerned about whether you are generally -- genuinely talking to them and listening to

them. i have seen that blue-collar class of people for whom life has not been very good over the last decade. they don't want politicians to pat them on the head and patronize them. they wanted politicians who speak to them directly and understand their concerns. >> i want to talk about the similarities of the voters who came to your side in the u.k. and the voters who seem to be propelling the donald trump campaign. they seem to be white working-class, more male than female. is that the way it lines up in your eyes? >> it's not as simplistic as that obviously. just over 30% of the black and ethnic minorities did vote for brexit. overwhelmingly in the united kingdom the traditional working classes whether they are blue-collar industrial workers,

self-employed people running small businesses. overwhelmingly those people voted for brexit. why did they do it? it isn't just immigration. immigration was a really important part of this. but actually, believing that you should have your own parliament that makes her own laws, -- your own laws, actually being unashamed to be patriotic. something westminster has really looked down upon for many years. >> let's talk about the moving forces that drive that electorate. immigration -- you walked past that pretty quick. >> immigration is -- if we were just having finished a referendum that was purely about sovereignty, self-government, self-determination, it would have been very difficult to win that referendum. what open-door immigration did -- we have had since the 1950's

we had a managed immigration policy into the united kingdom. net migration ran at about 30,000 people a year in the 1950's through the 1990's. we knew how to do this. generally, of all the countries in europe, we had the best race relations, the best integrated levels of immigrants into our society. we had a blair government who quite deliberately wanted to open up the doors. then we allowed former communist countries. countries that were very poor. countries that in some cases have not made the transition to being full western democracies. the blair government estimated that opening up the doors to these countries would lead to an extra 13,000 people coming in here -- coming a year. it was obvious that it would

actually be many multiples of that. we now have official net migration figures -- i'm pretty skeptical about them. they may be a lot higher. official figures that are 10 times what those figures were. >> this is all legal. we draw the distinction in our politics between legal immigration which everyone seems illegal.r, and >> the point i kept making during this campaign was, that is or should be a british passport. the first two words on it are european union. is 65 millionion are probably a bit higher. that passport effectively because of eu membership is now available to 508 million people any of whom can come to the u.k. the argument in this referendum

is the only way you can control the numbers to come into your country is to leave the eu, take back control of your borders. people saw their wages being compressed, which undoubtedly they have been since about 2007. they saw their access to getting their kids into local primary schools, getting appointments at their local doctor, getting housing. things that the last two or three generations have taken for , suddenly their kids and grandkids are finding it much harder. >> in this immigration language -- it is similar. a lot of talk about muslims, particularly from the middle east. you at first talked about muslims. in said you should let them and then changed it to it should be mostly christians. is that correct? >> what i talked about was who

qualifies as a refugee. it's pretty obvious that the tiny christian population in countries like iraq and syria are genuinely being persecuted because of their religious belief. we are a country that has given refuge. my family were refugees. going back 300 years. they were french protestants being burned at the stake for their beliefs. i'm sure that is something westminster would like to bring back today. we have always done that. we have always given refuge to people. what the european union has done and i warned about this last april and may, they have implemented the eu common asylum policy that has drawn the boundaries of who qualifies to asylum-seekers that countless of millions of people

can come into the european union. they have made a real mistake. >> before the full disentanglement, will there be a flood of migration into the u.k.? we are not -- i heard this language all through the referendum. nigel farage wants to put up the drawbridge. i don't want to pull up the drawbridge. i want to control who comes over the drawbridge. that's why we talked in the campaign about an australian style point system. it isn't just the numbers that come in that you are in control of. you actually choose the people whether it is by qualification, checking criminal records, whatever else it may be. frankly -- what we talked about in the brexit campaign was being

like every other normal country in the world. to come to america, get a work permit or to settle i would have to pass a series of tests. that's what we voted to do. there is a danger that if this brexit process takes two-and-a-half years there is a danger there could be a big flood of people. particularly given the mess the eurozone is in. greece is once again heading for repayments that she can't possibly meet. and the italian banking system is in a very perilous state. i think the british government at some point is going to have to say, hang on. everybody that has come legally will have fully protected rights but from this moment on we are doing things differently. >> is there any xenophobia in this? >> there is no xenophobia in saying we are proud to be the united kingdom. we believe in our own parliament making our own laws.

our own supreme court being the arbiter of what is right and what is long. and we should control the people who come into the country. i have been accused of all sorts of things. i have been accused of being anti-european. like i thought everyone south of calais was simply frightful. i'm to a german. married to a german. so no one has to tell me about the dangers of living in a german dominated household. is i'mntion post brexit going to travel around europe. and i'm going to help with other independence movements. i don't just think the eu is bad for britain.

i think it's bad for the whole european continent. >> i want to talk about the notion of this spreading. -- people seem to be disconnecting from certain institutions, alliances. the conventions themselves in america may soon be out of date partly because half the country does not call themselves democrats or republicans anymore , not to mention technology doesn't make it necessary for us all to be in this lovely city. poll that the majority of americans don't call themselves any religion. and now we have this. is an international movement afoot? what's going on? >> disconnection with politics, we are back to where i was. the development of political classes in capital cities.

we have a set of priorities that increasingly are not shared by people in their own countries. what is fascinating about exit is we had -- brexit is we had such a big turnout. brexit reengaged people. people in britain are talking about politics again. whether that is a temporary phenomenon or it is going to have some lasting consequence i think is very difficult to say. what i would point out is that right across the european continent, there are countries whose attitude toward being governed from brussels are very similar to the british. i do think we are going to see more referendums. >> if there is a movement and its international, what would you call it? it's not brexit. >> european democrats.

people who want to live in democratic nationstates that cooperate together. they want to be good next-door neighbors. we need to cooperate. we are living in the same time zone. there are lots of things we need to do. the idea that you should surrender rights to an institution in brussels is ridiculous. i think there will be big pressure for a referendum in denmark. we could get dexit. i think there's a chance of a referendum in the netherlands. we could get nexit. sexe get sweden it could be it. >> i set that right up for you. what about nato? donald trump has called it obsolete. are we going to start seeing disentanglement from other alliances like military annoyances?

lliances? >> nato has problems with definitions. it was very clear what it was for during the cold war. in terms of nato and anglo-american relations and the decisions we are now in a much better position than we were before our independence day. because increasingly we were seeing the european union foreign all see developing in a way where we stop speaking as a nation in many parts of the world. we allowed the eu to do it for us whether that was over iran or the ukraine. and the plans for a european army. very ambitious plans. the reality is that military spending within the u.s. small. now that the u.k. is not going to be a part of that actually effectively the idea of a

european army now diminishes. and that's good. because i think that would have been a direct threat to our relationship through nato. i'm very optimistic about the future. >> you have been quoted as talking about vladimir putin in terms not dissimilar from donald trump. that you respect his abilities. you don't like him. >> as a person. >> talk about what you think of putin. >> i would not want to live there. for you as a journalist is not a great place to be. you would not live long. in 2013 we were on the verge of getting involved in yet another middle eastern war namely syria. putin said madeo d us think again.

i have been misquoted on this. i think with the eu did with ukraine was a mistake. mr. cameron saying we should take the ukraine into the european union, into nato. what we saw was an elected leader of the ukraine toppled by a movement to get the ukraine to join the eu. the one thing about putin, if you think he's a bad guy, don't poke in with tha stick. >> did you think the new cabinet would be split between people in favor of leading -- leaving? may tod not want theresa become prime minister because she backed the remainn side. i'm told, it's ok. she backed remain but she didn't

really mean it. she has made a couple of inspired appointments. the man who was in charge of negotiations and brussels -- in brussels. i'm pleased with that. and the guy who will negotiate new trade deals including coming to washington is liam fox, a noted pro-usa kind of figure. she has taken the job. she has made some inspired appointments. i just hope that she holds with those 17.5 million people who voted for us to have our independence day. >> one last quick question. do you think you would campaign for the republicans in the united states? has anyone asked you to come say a word? >> no, i shouldn't do that. i don't think interfering in

someone else's politics directly is the right thing to do. if there are some lessons from brexit about engaging with people that are useful that would be great. beyond that it would be a mistake. >> we are going to open it up for questions. they will come to you with the microphone. please tell us who you are and ask your question. right here. >> i am david smith of the guardian. you mentioned you some chris christie's speech last night. what did you think of the mood? he got the crowd chanting "lock her up." why do you say you definitely would not vote for hillary clinton? >> my analysis of hillary clinton is a sense of entitlement.

as if this country now has its own hereditary principle. like the house of lords into washington. i think there is that sense of entitlement, that she is part of a politics that is gone and people need to move on. the american style of politics and the way they express themselves at this convention and i'm sure there will be the same next week is completely different. there are no direct parallels to the way we do things back in the united kingdom. lock her up is quite strong stuff, isn't it? i also saw as we left and walked through the protests, which by the way i was expecting proper protests. they were really quite small and not very threatening at all. i have had much better protests outside of my public meetings than that. interesting seeing some of the language displayed on those boards. particularly on subjects around

gay marriage etc. for which in the united kingdom would be hate crimes. there are some big differences. i am here is a fascinated observer of how america does politics. i also think that is a genuine hunger to understand how breaks it happened -- exit happened -- brexit happened. the real story of brexit is this. ordinarye people, the people who have completely given up with politics, who don't believe anyone speaks for them or represents them. if you can gather those people to vote you can change the world. >> who else has a question? over here. am mark mccarrick. i am a delegate from texas. i was just wondering the impact that ukip had on the much larger

in impactingparty its manifesto, impacting the way it campaigned and governed. wereould you say that ukip able to steer the course of the conservative party and the governing style of the elected leadership in london? >> 25 years ago i embarked on this. thatse i just didn't feel our country was headed in the right direction. i felt that the european project to my parents and bought into as being about trade and being good neighbors. i could see the political dimension. i have been doing this for 25 years and one of the big questions was should i try and ukip or through yo

should i do it as part of the conservative party and trying to work from within? that's one of the great debates and dilemmas i faced many years ago. i kept pumping into people at mps, ihe time -- tory would tell them what i thought about the union. he said, i completely agree with you. i said, why don't you say so in public? it's all a bit difficult. i might get deselected. nobodyas virtually inside the existing political class who would genuinely fight for this issue. somebodyif you are with a sincerely held for you, the big passes generally will crush it out of you or stop you from getting into a position where you can exert influence. that's why i did it through ukip. it has taken a lot more years than i thought it would to get to this conclusion.

i did really worry at times that i might go down as the patron saint of lost causes. it has taken a hell of a long time. but ultimately it was the threat that ukip were beginning to post the conservative party. incidentally now we pose it to the labour party perhaps in a bigger way. some of these issues cross traditional left right divide of politics. there is absolutely no way that david cameron would have made the promise of a referendum if it hadn't been for the stress of ukip. when it came to the referendum itself it was really vital that we got boris johnson appealing to that conservative vote. we had figures on the left. what ukip did in the referendum that was crucial was that if anybody got those people out to vote who haven't voted in 20 years, it was us. it was our campaigning style.

as difficult as it seems and if you take on the establishment, they are pretty rude to you. they don't come out with a tray of gin and tonics and say johnny well done. but it has all been worth it. >> who else would like to ask a question? hello. tim stanley from the london city telegraph. i know you are here to talk about brexit. to republicaneen and conservative conferences before. i know you have been to cpac in the past. you have not been to the democrat won. you do not have good links with liberals in this country. i know you have said direct comparisons are useless, but what do you think ukip and yourself do have in common with the republican party? not necessarily trump. see andilarities do you

what are the differences? >> there's a quite a difference in terms of perhaps attitude toward gun policy. these are the big cultural differences that exist between this country and our country. the similarities -- i think there are, have been over the last decade or so elements of the activist base within republicans who see what is happening in washington very much the same way that people like me who are conservative party members in the united kingdom saw what was happening in westminster. it's all about disconnect. i would like to think that maybe what we have proven is that if you are prepared to fight hard for what you believe in that absolutely anything is possible. clearly -- some

of the attitude towards washington and the disconnect that exists within america. i hear quite similar echoes of the same statements being made about westminster and brussels. >> i think there is one over here. day from thel toronto star newspaper in canada. seemed implausible at one point and so did donald trump. did he got the nomination you say, i could have seen that coming? or was it as crazy and shocking as a maze and amazing -- and amazing to you as everyone else? >> i'm not the least bit surprised. he has taken on the establishment and now i can see the way this guy -- this is not full throated.

guy makes an argument, causes a storm. it he goes retract that little bit further. i have been watching with great interest. i'm not surprised that he got the nomination at all. a bit tough to say who is going to win at this moment in time but just maybe he will reach out to those voters and maybe there are big similarities between those voters and some of the people who voted for brexit. i think everyone has been astonished at his rise. i suspect it is probably not over yet. >> there's another one at the same table. >> tom leonard from the daily mail of london. just a small point. you were talking about the appointment that theresa may has

made. you did not mention boris johnson as foreign secretary. he is in talks at the moment with john kerry. what do you think of his appointment? >> it's great. we've got a foreign secretary who is going to raise britain's profile all over the world and at the same time make people smile a bit too. that can't be a bad thing in a world where we don't smile enough. the three brexiteers are in position. they've got the jobs. some more cynically saying, if they mess up, this was never deliverable. i don't take that view. that we've got the for brussels to

recognize just what a strong hand we've got and play it properly. i have no doubt i-20 19 we will be out of this -- by 2019 we will be out of the european union. perhaps the ultimate brexit test is at the next general election will be have back our international territorial waters? will we have back 200 miles of the north sea that is ours will be show ourselves to be a bit weak? i hope all those things happen. >> any other hands? mcleod from buzz feed. there is a perception on this side of the pond that seemed kind of odd when brexit died wednesday -- the brexit side won and it seemed like you

didn't want to clean up the situation afterwards and deal with the implications. >> boris johnson is foreign secretary and the other two are people i shared platforms with all over the country. what imy position -- have done in politics is i have come from the out why. i have tried to change opinion and raise issues that other people didn't want to talk about. i would like to think with my supporters in ukip we changed the political agenda. we changed the center of gravity of british politics. i am staying on as an mep in the european parliament to see this process through. and i will, as this process unfolds. i will get up in the european parliament and make my friendly and constructive speeches and i always do that. which i have no doubt they are looking forward to enormously.

i am doing my bit. as far as u.k. politics is concerned in this procedure, there's nothing i can do pretty i'm not in th. i'm not in the governing conservative administration. motivations -- i wasn't one of those people who went from the university into a research office and always wanted to be an elected politician. beingr even thought about in politics until i was in my 30's. i got in this because i had one great cause i wanted to fight and that was getting my country back and that's what we've done. so i'm perfectly happy with where i am. >> just to wrap up. is rita.e i come from the daily telegraph as well.

that obama coming into british politics -- donald trump is the same. he came to the u.k., he spoke out in support of brexit. do you condemn him in the same way? and secondly, mr. trump's excitingise here is white nationalist movements. the republicans are moving quite far to the right. is there a concern that this kind of nativism is a dangerous trend? >> trump did not come to the u.k. on a big political speaking tour. he came to the u.k. to look at one of his business golf interests in scotland. i think it is different in scale and intent to what obama did. know since the referendum

there are one or two people who have behaved very badly towards foreign people in our country. one or two people behaving badly towards them before a render of referendum was even talked about. there is absolutely nothing that i have ever tried to do that wants to inflame that or make it worse. i think what the european union project has done by taking away from people their democratic rights, by willfully trying to get rid of their national identity into this new supranational order that no one recognizes -- why do we have an avowedly neo-nazi party? this is not a term of abuse. they call themselves neo-nazi. they are proud of their neo-nazi roots. where they the biggest party in

greece? because if you take away from people their democratic right, they will move toward the extremes of right and left and politics and perhaps even towards violence and direct action. i genuinely believe getting a europe of democratic nationstates not only will europe guarantee through doing that but it's at peace but that's the way we stop real extremism. more upbeatp on a han neo-nazis, i would like to point out that behind us is the cuyahoga river which in the dark days of american pollution once started on fire. there is a beer here called burning river. >> wow. >> let me know how it is. >> on british politics, we

covered today the first prime minister's questions. you will see it at 9:00 here on c-span. day three of the republican national convention. we will get back to that mcclatchy conversation from earlier today in just a moment. it's one of a number of events we are covering in and around cleveland related to the convention. we showed you the arrival of donald trump by helicopter. also covering today a speech by ted cruz. the intersection of those events reported here by abc. donald trump arriving in cleveland for the gop convention. reporter adding, and buzzes right by ted cruz on his way in. boos as trump force

one lands in cleveland. you can judge for yourself. online see that speech at c-span.org. we will show you all of that later in our program schedule on the c-span networks. we have also been visiting sites in and around cleveland including where the media has been gathering for their reporting. media row is what it's called. take a look. >> a couple of weeks ago this was a parking garage. deputy communications director for the rnc. how did you transform this facility? >> a lot of help. when we saw the space people thought we could not transform it. we brought in a couple different companies. a local contractor who actually built the drywall and put the carpet and the lights. we brought in a specialty design team who built everything else.

it took a lot of people to design this. >> this is the second level of the parking garage. obviously it has carpeting. why do you have this? why here? >> this is an interesting thing that has never happened before. with the influx of digital media , a lot of people don't have a place to operate. in 2012, they didn't even exist. now they are utilized by millennials to get the majority of their news. we wanted to give them a spot where they could actually broadcast from. not just work that actually do interviews. hub. is the main circui >> give us a sense of who is here. >> 160 different outlet. creators,e, youtube traditional media.

all the radio stations, probably 75 stations. people likemaller vox, people who are up and coming. social, tvigital, and radio. >> it is a lot busier right now. >> we wanted to have a lot of buzz in here. we created the space to have a different flow to it. that is to create energy and excitement. when you think of digital outlets, you think of fun. this looks like a college room. we are working to first-time voters. >> what was the thinking behind this approach in terms of getting the message out? it was going away from what we have seen of the trade show.

something that looks a little more innovative and is camera ready wherever you turn. you can do a standup. we want it to be organic. some of it is organized. we want it to be innovative for the younger generation and helpful to the traditional outlets as well. >> i want to ask you about your own role in this. most recently you lived in virginia. you moved here in march and joined the rnc. how did that come together? how have you seen the city transform? >> i have been here since march. i did all the debates and the presidential primaries. got a lot of experience and got picked up to do one of the largest events of the year to help on the communications team. >> let's go back to the field. give our audience a sense of

what is happening here. >> we are bringing all of our vips here to be paraded around. they have the opportunity no matter where they walk to hit a tv, a digital platform. we strategically placed everyone so that not all radio is in one section. not all tv is in one section. we tried to mix it around so when people go to different places they have to walk past all of the smaller outlets that might not normally get the opportunity to interview our vips. >> you are part of the campaign in 2012. can you give us some perspective on the -- how that has changed from that campaign cycle? >> on the digital front, i think of google in 2012. they were not even considered media in 2012.

they would not have been allowed in here and now they are considered one of the hard hitters of distributing news. biggestone of the changes. this would never have happened. setpeople are saying, you the bar so high we have to do this moving forward. i think everyone is pleased with the outcome. >> if you did not know you would not know this is a parking garage. >> that was our goal. i think we have made it a nice place to be. >> how long did it take for you to transform this place into media row? d to tear it down? altogether and it will probably take four days to break down. >> thank you for your time. >> that and all of our coverage

from the rnc available at c-span.org. obviously the congress is in recess during the conventions and in august recess for the next six weeks. sad news from congress. member mark cai from hawaii is being reported in the local honolulu paper that he died today at the age of 49. it is reported that he had pancreatic cancer. preview coverage getting underway at 6:00 eastern here on c-span. eventsinue to bring you from the convention. speeches from laura ingram, senators and former rivals ted cruz and marco rubio along with scott walker of wisconsin. we will take you back to the withtchy conversation

republican strategist kevin madden who talked about the race ahead for republicans. >> kevin madden is a long time republican strategist, activist, smart guy. he is a product of new york city. he is a fan of a football team in ohio somewhere. he started with house republicans, worked for john boehner, both of mitt romney's presidential campaigns.

you did not work on this one. >> the one that didn't take off. >> kevin is also the father of three sons. i can attest that one of them has a hell of a back swing already. this is our political correspondent. she has covered stories in south carolina politics from senate races, presidential primaries. she has covered the charleston shooting last year, the confederate flag controversy. she is in politico's words one of the must follow political reporters in the key primary states. she is expecting twins. with theorrow charlotte observer has covered

colorful characters from jesse helms to john edwards. anything that happens here in cleveland is not a surprise to him. he has seen it all. a native of chicago like myself. a father of two sons. and i have three sons. 2.5 foursomes. we have two full basketball teams. we will talk more about what nigel farage had to say. beingything strike you as illustrative of what we are seeing in america and what's going to happen with the trump campaign? >> i think a lot of people over analyzed brexit and tried to turn it into a perfect template for what was taking place in the

united states. i think it's not perfect. of sure this idea that a lot elites in washington have one set of interest that are not consistent with the set of interests for a lot of folks struggling with the day-to-day frustrations of the economy, and worries about national security and the impact on their daily lives. trumpk we have seen and has exploded this to his advantage -- we will see how well it works in the general election. he has exploited this growing canyon between folks in washington and frustrations people have every day around the country. that's one of the similarities i thought nigel ferriss pointed out -- nigel farage pointed out. >> we saw that in south carolina. primary butr

if you are on the ground during a campaign -- there were thousands of people filling arenas. the other candidates who started out as more establishment didn't go further. he caught everyone by surprise and did a good job of redefining who these candidates were and redefining himself as the guy who spoke to the people. i definitely think the surprise of the brexit is very similar to the surprise of trump's success especially in early primary states like south carolina. >> i second what they said. theas right on about disconnect between the establishment and the people. we are seeing that in the trunk campaign and in the bernie sanders -- trump campaign and in the bernie sanders campaign. talking about making america great again with mr. trump. making britain and ireland

again. islandng britain an again. >> there seems to be a great interest in him among republicans. so many people wanted pictures and wanted to take his hand. his kind of a hero, at least to the right. i want to talk a little about the convention, particularly writes previous two years ago did the autopsy and why they kept losing elections. minority votes, hispanic votes, women, young people -- all the things that were growing in the country republicans had to do more to get. i want to ask and talk a little bit about how much of this appeal of trump to this disconnected group of people is also -- it has xenophobia, it is turning off the same people they need to win. going back to the autopsy,

that was the thing. findings andin that were the idea that first, -- to to find our party define our party by what we were against instead of what we were for. we only had to reach out to the fastest-growing parts of the electorate if we were going to once again win national elections. ofle the interesting part trump's appeal is so much of what he talks about is what he is against and what people should be afraid of. wagesidis they have about or immigration, and there has not been enough about what you would do differently other than build a wall. that, -- we now that we aretorate going to see the share of the

share of percentage of white voters probably drop and the share of minority voters, hispanics, african-americans, asian-americans, grow. and we have nominated a candidate who has 70% unfavorable ratings with that part of the electorate. see so why i think you much resistance inside the republican party to the trump nomination. -- one of theeen problems right now with the convention is that conventions are pageantry, they are performance. part of the pageantry is to put on a unified face for the country so that you can go out after persuadable voters. it is hard to say we have successfully managed unity. we have spent more time going after persuadable voters that we have a rallying the base and i think that is what big challenge for the next two days. >> how much have you seen in

this convention that suggests the party is getting his message out and a drawing in more hispanic voters, african-american voters, women? >> probably zero. haven't seen any. the autopsy seems like a document of a long time ago. know, as far as broadening the attempt and reaching out to haves like hispanics, we seen mr. trump almost go out of his way to do the opposite. i'm not think of heard a lot about appealing to those groups on the podium so far. >> there is one person who is missing who has been a star the gop, that is governor haley of south carolina. she is our first indian-american, first female governor. .lso have ted scott neither of them are taking the big podium. but shes offered a spot declined, she is keeping a low

profile. but he was on the stage in 2012. i think that is definitely a shift. i think her absence is probably noticed and felt, given her clouds -- clout nationally as a republican. that is a big opportunity to talk about the big tent and is not going to happen. >> i think that is one of the tragedies -- one of the strategies. remind everybody about the opposition and how dangerous the opposition in office could be. that is why saw so much of a focus on the first two days on what are the dangers of the hillary clinton presidency. that is the way a lot of the people bring you can believe -- bring republicans together. overwhelmingbeen amount of rhetoric about hillary clinton going to prison and things like that. i'm curious -- do you think this

is reaching beyond this group of 2400 people to the people out of north carolina and south carolina, florida, where they have to read elections -- are they reaching any of the middle? messages appealed to the base right now and he already has that. they're getting to unity grudgingly, slowly. we had one delegate from north carolina who left yesterday. he had said that trump was a danger to america and he became quickly persona non grata, so he was out of there. they're still working on the unity thing beyond the party but beyond that i do not see any appeal. thate delegations reporters in the bowdon states have found is that these -- these delegates arrive in cleveland pretty split. before delegations are split, if not dubious and skeptical about

what he will do not only against hillary clinton but to their own elections this fall. is that still he says now that we're halfway through the convention? s, i talked to some cruz fan still very skeptical of donald trump. i talked to one who said a few times that he thinks trump is really a democrat. delegates moree of that persuasion. where we think i'm what i'm getting is there is a sense of a lot of talk on how the delegation is to come together, how the party needs to come together. i was talking with marco rubio's state director yesterday. she said one a rollcall petition passed before her she said get that out of my face. not interested. if we want to win the white house we have to stop this right now and get together. i do get the sense that for even the south carolina delegates who were running for those spots before anyone thought donald

trump was actually going to have a chance to be the nominee, a lot of them are saying trump was not my first choice we have to get it together now if we want to be clinton. >> you think some movement towards that? >> sure. >> i have been to a few conventions over the years. how does the stack up in terms of how choreographed and disciplined in organized it is? -- these arey always reflections of the candidates. in this sense, there is a level of disorganization right now because of that. this is a campaign that is coming together on the fly. there are people who are on this campaign in senior roles right now three weeks ago were not. that is very different from campaigns we've all worked on and you have all covered in the past where you essentially have people that have been together in working with each other for

sometimes two years or work on previous campaign together. when you have mistakes like the plagiarism charges of the first ofht and the sloppiness citing already published work a second night i think is reflective of a level of disorganization in a campaign that is trying to figure it out as they go. say, i doust going to not think the campaign got the headlines it wanted the next day. certainly not the subject matter on the morning talk shows. it was all the plagiarism, it was all about disorganization that was on the floor on monday. i do not think the campaign or the party necessarily wanted any of that. >> the plagiarism story about melania trump taking passages just fromd it is not someone else, it is barack obama's wife. has stayed big pretty

long. it really dominated the whole day of meeting yesterday. >> it was largely a self-inflicted wound. of spouses criticism and family members is very low. candidates'wives or husbands go up and deliver speeches, they're usually not prone to a higher level of criticism or scrutiny. i think the same goes for children. to make a mistake that actually generates a controversy takes almost effort. impact -- the real positive impact you're looking at from a convention is usually the next day. it is the headlines, the atomized version of a speech that reflects positively on a candidate because the people who know him best are talking about him. t's been the real missed opportunity with a controversy

we have seen over these two days. it from a two or three hour controversy into a 48 hour one is how the campaign responded. this is where you have to look at swing voters. at home weree really strong supporters of trump, they do not care. is anea that plagiarism issue is more symptomatic of media bias in their mind that it is of something that the candidate did wrong. but for swing voters, i think oftentimes where this is a big risk is a becomes a reflection on the candidate himself. when you actually have evidence of plagiarism that you have a campaign to absolutely not, there is no plagiarism. that makes people question how would you handle other instances where the facts are claiming in front of us in your denying them? >> given a split screen video it was just unrealistic to say that the not happen. 2012,campaign manager in

a very good friend of mine, he always used to have a saying -- let's take our hit and move on. you can admit something was wrong, making a change is at the campaign come holding yourself accountable. it is amazing how you can reduce the level of a controversy when you do that. the campaign has made it worse -- made it worse i have a handle it. >> yesterday the internet was full of memes about what melania trump said and how she said it. i don't know though, in talking with delegates that i agree with kevin that for the folks who are already for trump this will not be a big deal. in 2012 the revenge of -- there wella bunch of memes as and i don't know what impact they had.

a delegates who talks to high-level operatives in the party in what he said was this sort of like mistake is definitely one that you can avoid. a signal tonding donors, sending a signal to high-level operatives that things are not going well and the campaign. -- inside the campaign. it will have more of an impact in building the party, building the apparatus moving forward. >> i doubt anyone will be angry at melodic trump or that that will linger. disorganization -- i know we have not seen the candidates speak yet but we are a feel on howt we will get out of this. how does that look right now? >> we're still waiting to see the trump campaign and how about brown state of north carolina. beginning is been there a couple times in the last month but

there's very little sign of an actual campaign in the state in terms of operatives, people on the ground. the clinton campaign on the other hand has a lot of people who are already there. they are spending a lot of money on the air along with priorities usa, their super pac. so far, nothing from the trump campaign. >> that is will we hear from a lot of the states. note campaign, no operative, no one knocking on doors. as the bignton grassroots organization, she will use her convention to get bigger, spending a lot of money. and yet their net in that in the polls, the national polls. -- neck and neck in the national polls. >> there called battlegrounds for a reason. they are a battle all the way until the rent -- the end. the big worry i would have if i was a trump supporters want to

see him win in november is that we've have a place like or ohio or north carolina or florida or colorado and they are neck and last 25ng into the days, the difference maker is organization and resources in source of money and volunteers. if you have a good organization and you have a lot of resources and a big volunteer network, it is worth three points. 0-40 going into election day, that organization makes a difference. if you cannot flip one of those states based on a map of 2012 and go from blue to red that you have a hard time winning. i think that is a big danger. into thousand eight when the obama campaign had a major effort in north carlotta and eat out a 14,000 vote win. you are right. >> every single night we're going out and canvassing we believe were the vote universe

in ohio. if we did 1000 calls, it was 501-499. we knew it would be a tough race all the way to the end and their organization, which was a little bit better than ours, and ended 70,000 -- it was very close. that is the difference between winning and losing. >> the only campaign i ever chicago, iack in have learned that you knock on doors and you find out if the vote is 501 to 499, and you make sure the 499 disappear and you only get your people to come out. somebody made them disappear. wererders from downtown now we keep focusing more and more on the people who like us. it was exley in a speech last night, we do not need data and analytics.

those advances into his help you identify people and i scale from one to 10. if they are a five, turn them into a seven or eight. because the clinton campaign has a lot of resources, they are doing at it they know they have and enthusiasm problem with hillary clinton with a have a plan to fix it. i think the trump campaign knows they have to go out and get more than their base. and they made the case that they have a plan to do that? justify other argument that they do. >> just have to know that the trump organization does not go into every eating think we do not need data come we do not need to know if that real estate needs money, we'll just buy it. it is a strange disconnect.

is going to speak tomorrow night, this is the biggest moment so far for him. what does he need to do tomorrow night? >> i think he needs to convince delegates to go back to their states and become full-time advocates for him winning. they to be enthusiastic. yesterdayom a speaker that you need to get in your car drive northnd carolina and campaign for trump grossi party is in trouble. if you're not willing to do that than hang it up. i think that that is what is one to be -- that is what is convention will be about. work,i think that that is work,. >> what does he have to say that will get them were excited either about him or against hillary clinton? >> i think conservative activists want to hear more from on how he will uphold the

party values. especially for people who support cruz, they say he is a principled conservative. they are very much honing in on that and i think they want to hear more evidence from trump that he is going to be that candidate for hi -- for them. to do everything she said but also has to reach out to the middle, to the millions of viewers watching. he is already shown that he can get most of the base on his side. that hehas not shown is can appeal to the people who still undecided to the extent that there are people undecided. some of the suburbanites and people in the middle, independent voters. he have to make a connection to them. maybe it is a policy or something else that he has not talked about yet. >> one thing out disagree on come i do not think you will be on policy.

donald trump does not care about policy committee said -- he cares about selling. i think this is an opportunity for him to harness his best instincts and probably his strength on selling people on something. idea of to address the unity. he needs to make it clear to everyone in the room that this is not just about donald trump, which is going to be very hard. but instead, that he cares more about the party and its ability to win in november. but i think the way to get those voters who have yet to be persuaded is to make his candidacy a vehicle for a lot of their frustrations with the status quo in washington. he does a lot of me, me, me. but his strongest speeches as been when he is talking to voters directly and says this is about you. my candidacy is about your frustrations with the status

quo, your unhappiness with the state of the economy and your place in it. what you have been disappointed with for the last eight years. if you can do that in a way that answers a lot of anxiety people have about not appearing presidential and can pivot towards being more of a professional candidate in that sense, he will have made great strides. the question is always, every time we start to see the new trump, the old trump shows up. that he raised the idea that it doesn't last. people are waiting around for the new trump will be disappointed. this is the trump you're going to get. this is it. >> there a subtext of this convention which is based on -- it is myelegates guess that virtually no one here thanks donald trump would be a

two-term president by virtue of the fact that he would not win it all or would not serve two terms. he is 70 years old, he would be the oldest president in history. or half of them do not think he will be a first-term president. a loud are looking out for their own skin. kasich, he is the governor, very strange is not speaking at the convention in his own state. it is really strange. but he is meeting with the new hampshire delegation. ted cruz wanted changes in the rules come everyone paid attention to the south carolina primary day. 2020,ne is angling for aren't they? that south carolina in particular always gets visits from future potential white house hopeful spirit but they'll was play boy -- coy. i talked to one delegate yesterday and she raised a good

point. if donald trump wins he will probably want to be the nominee in 2020. but if he doesn't we are getting visits from people we might think will be interested. tom cotton from arkansas, scott walker who made a lot of friends in south carolina came by. folks who weren't there, mike huckabee who has spent a lot of time in south carolina and talk about it like it is a second home to him. not coming by in any formal way, ben carson too. you start to wonder about what that means if they are not according an early primary state. also the ohio governor is not planning on coming by. that was raised to me as a misstep, it would have been good for him to make time. pence is ay mike neustar, win or lose. -- a new star, win or lose. >> for folks who did not get

selected as the vice presidential nominee is that mike pence got what many of them were working on. id and a00% name national donor network. all given to him and aniston. that makes him -- in an instant. that makes him a formidable person going into 2020 or beyond. >> where the people she did not name was her own governor nikki haley who i think would be probably on the agenda in 2020. she is finishing her second term now, this prospect of the woman in the white house, she would be an attractive female candidate on the republican side. who knows.n, >> they have a deep bench.

they have a much deeper bench a potential presidents than the democrats who have no bench, really. >> that is one of the worries about the v.p. selection on there and is that tim kaine is probably -- he is the all-star of the future of the democrat bench with them bill sat is of the folksme being left out of the conversation like the castro brothers or others in the party -- this is a missed opportunity to raise their profiles nationally. >> we're done? ok. the gentleman with the sign. you're the sign. >> thank you to our audience online, live streaming. and our audience here. thank you to our panel. jim, jamie, kevin.

-- we will be hosting a reception in this space tomorrow evening. you're welcome to come back for that. and we will be at the democratic national convention next week. join us there. thank you very much. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ announcer: it is they number three of the republican national convention in cleveland and the business tonight will be the nominating and voting on mike pence to be the vice presidential nominee. breaking news for -- breaking news the washington examiner.

paul ryan will introduce mike pence at tonight's convention gathering. our coverage getting underway at 7:30. also new is being reported by the daily beast and other organizations, secret service investigating trump advisor album of the sorrow for hillary execution comments. there officially investigating al baldasaro who called for hillary clinton's execution. there officially the secret service is aware of this matter and will conduct an appropriate investigation. part of our coverage here on c-span has been a look at the city of cleveland, the event happening in and around the convention. ohio has been called the birth lace of for a good reason. one of those is james garfield. here's a look at his home. we're here at james a garfield national site. it is the home of president and

mrs. james a garfield. this is the property they purchased in 1876. they bought about 158 acres of property. we are about 20 or 25 miles from downtown cleveland, site of the 2016 republican national convention. it was from this front porch that james garfield ran for president in 1880 as the republican resident of candidate. he ran the nation's first ever front porch presidential campaign from this home. when they bought the property in 1876, the home was small, about nine rooms or so. the expanded it while james garfield was the living here. there was another major expansion done after his assassination in july of 1881. the home today when people come here, there are some parts of the inside of the home that look pretty similar to when james garfield was alive and living here on the property. there are also parts of the house that looked very different

because of the expansion that mrs. garfield made after her husband's death did while he did -- while he died at age 49 after being shot two months previously, mrs. garfield lived until -- where now standing on the front porch of the campaign office, which is one of the unique features about the james a garfield's stork site. it was from this one room in this small building that james garfield ran his entire 1880 presidential campaign. garfield had actually gone to the republican national , notntion in chicago seeking the nomination, not expecting a nomination. he was at with to nominate someone else. he was there to give a speech nominating john sherman of ohio with that point was secretary of the treasury. sherman was seeking the nomination in 1880 and garfield gave this wonderful speech for sherman.

neither sherman nor any of the other announced major candidates including former president ulysses s. grant, senator james nobody had maine -- enough votes to get the nomination. so the convention was in search of a copper price and eventually settled on james garfield. but they do not settle on them quickly. it took 36 ballots to nominate him in 1880. it was a very contentious convention, a very long convention that ended up with a compromised candidate being the republican standardbearer in 1880. of course we have the republican national convention here in cleveland in 2016 and it has been discussion at one point about the possibility of a contested convention, but i think it is wonderfully ironic and certainly great for us at james garfield nationalist turks like to have either of the major parties in cleveland, especially when james garfield himself , but also as a

result of a rather contentious convention. our coverage getting underway with our preview program at 6:00 p.m. eastern. speech is in the official program starting at about 7:30 eastern that will include several former rivals of donald trump, governor scott walker of wisconsin, senator marco rubio of florida, and senator ted cruz of texas among the speakers and i. our coverage is at seven: 30 eastern on c-span, also on the c-span radio at and you can find it online at c-span.org, including live coverage in video on demand as well. ted cruz speaks tonight, he also spoke earlier today. perhaps or press not a preview to tonight's comments, he spoke to supporters in cleveland and he is by his wife, heidi.

[applause] mrs. cruz: welcome. i do not very often get the first word around here so i better take advantage of the situation. girls wantnd our two to thank you so much for being here. thank you for coming this afternoon. we came here to see you. [applause] mrs. cruz: it is the greatest honor of our lives to be able to know you, to spend time traveling this great country, and to understand firsthand a fabric of cultures and , interests,s desires, hopes and dreams that make up this country.

and i can tell you, every single moment of this campaign i was personally so proud and so proud to be able to tell our daughters what we represent because we were with you. [applause] mrs. cruz: and it is in the first months that followed that when i hear catherine, who is five -- she would remind you when i hearalf -- her the back of the car singing refrains from the national anthem or god bless america, i know that we are collectively on and that we are representing to arcades, to your kids and grandkids that we stand for something. and that is the most important thing. reason that was so easy for me to do throughout this campaign is because of the guy that i was supporting. [applause]

mrs. cruz: a person who i know and you know has total command of the issues, who knows our constitution, who knows that you come first in this country and your voice will be heard. i want tohat, introduce to you my husband, my best friend, and our u.s. senator from texas, ted cruz. [applause] sen. cruz: b say -- let me say such an, who has been

extraordinary warrior, a partner, a wife, a mom, an unflappable voice for truth no matter the storm raging around her. i love you with all my heart, sweetheart. [applause] ted"] chanting "we love afternoon isis really for one very simple purpose and is to save -- and it is to say thank you to each and everyone of you. thank you from the very bottom

of our hearts. [applause] sen. cruz: more than anything else, heidi and i are filled with extraordinary gratitude and thankfulness. together, the men and women here , we have been part of an amazing journey. and it has been the privilege of our lifetimes to stand with each and every one of you fighting for our country. [applause] the men and women gathered here today -- you are , you love this country come you love our constitution, you love our freedom, you love our children and you believe and tomorrow. -- in tomorrow. [applause]

you know, this campaign i believe was about a lot more than one campaign or one candidate. this was a movement. all across this country. you know, i'm reminded over and over again of the inspiration we received. some people would ask of a campaign -- do you guys get tired, do get beat down by the only nonsense? give over and over again is no, i am inspired by each and everyone of you. one of you.every [applause] sen. cruz: i was inspired by two little children in california. a four-year-old and six-year-old who when we were out there gave me an envelope filled with change. a lemonade stand the begin before and said we want to give everything we made in that lemonade stand to the

campaign because this is the future of our country. [applause] sen. cruz: i'm inspired by a gentleman in north carolina who sent an e-mail to our campaign. i'm retired, my wife and i are on social security. every month we spend -- we send it to hundred dollars to the campaign. a couple of weeks ago my wife fell and broke her hip and had to have surgery and we cannot send our $200 this month. i does wanted to e-mail you and say we are sorry you have the money this month but we are with you. [applause] you know, i'm inspired by woman in indiana. woman came to her and said i have a letter heidi, i want to ask you to give to dad. this a letter that explains my husband is originally from hungary. she said i'm a volunteer here, if you guys win, i want my

husband to be ambassador to hungary. [laughter] in heidi said, well, ok. she said, look, i know ambassadorships, they typically go to rich people live written a bunch of checks. we are not rich but you know what, in this volunteer center i had made 10,000 phone calls for the campaign and you ought to be able to come and ambassador by making 10,000 phone calls. [applause] and all heidi could say was you are absolutely right. iowanspired by a woman in who picked up heidi at the airport. he was driving the bus to and from the parking lot at the airport. , andomeschooled her kids every week she volunteered on the campaign. she had all the burdens of life, all the time of her family and

work and yet fighting for this country was worth it for every waking moment she could do. [applause] and lobby just pause to reflect what we together as a movement accomplished. 6,000campaign saw over 32 volunteers all over the country. [applause] collectively, we million, more2 than any republican and primary history. -- in primary history. [applause] from 1.8: that came contributions averaged over $50 apiece. and together this campaign

earned nearly eight million 600s, 12 states, nearly delegates and astonished the washington establishment. [applause] none of that happens without the men and women who are here. none of that happens without each of you, without your time, your sacrifice, your commitment, you're willing to be stand up and be attack to be vilified as a no, i'm going to stand or something that matters. [applause] sen. cruz: what an incredible privilege, and i'm reminded of one of my favorite scenes from cinema. the opening scene of the movie patton walks out in front of a gigantic american flag and he stands up and he

speaks. ,e speaks about how in this war that everyone of us as he said, the object is not for you to die for your country is to make the other fella die for his country. [applause] taking a: but patton, page from william shakespeare in his said crispin's day speech -- patton said at the end of the day, everyone of us who was part of this when we are old and grey and our grandkids ask where were you in the great battle, we will be able to say to our grandkids i was not shuttling c -- shoveling crap in louisiana. [applause] sen. cruz: and i got to say, i feel very much those sentiments expressed by patton that when we are old and grey, and i hope you

have a passel of grandkids, we can tell them we stood with the men and women were fighting for this country, who were fighting for our freedom! [applause] sen. cruz: and an amazing campaign field of 17 talented, dynamic candidates, we beat 15 of those candidates. [applause] we just didn't be -- didn't beat 16. our party now has a nominee, and i don't know -- booing] that was pretty well

orchestrated. [laughter] sen. cruz: did you e-mail them to fly the plane right when i said that? and let me say, let me say to the men and women here -- i do not know what the future is going to hold, i do not know what is going to happen. , what remainsknow unshakable is my faith in the men and women here. [applause] what i do know is that everyone of us has an obligation to follow our conscience. [applause] to speak the truth, and truth is unchanging. [applause] liberty.: to defendant

there's a lot of talk about unity, i want to see unity and the wait to see unity is for us to unite behind a shared principles. us to unite in defense of liberty. [applause] sen. cruz: and i us to empower to grassroots -- and for us empower the grassroots. we have seen some things that have not been pretty. that the answer for this country is not going to come from washington dc, does not going to come from the establishment in both parties. it will only come from the grassroots and we the people. [applause] sen. cruz: you know, one of the great things about being married

-- when you have a spouse who is a soul mate, who is traveling the journey with you -- when you're up, she tries to keep your feet nailed to the ground. and when you're down, she tries to lift you off the ground. earlier today, heidi e-mailed me something she found on the internet. which made me laugh. some of you have heard it before but it is still worth remembering. over 5000 years ago moses said to the children of israel, pick up your shovels come about your asses and camels and i will lead you to the promised land. nearly 75 years ago, roosevelt said lay down your shovels, sit light up a camel, this is the promised land. [laughter] and today --

[laughter] sen. cruz: and today, congress has stolen your shovel, cast asses, raised your the price of camels, and mortgaged the promised land. [applause] i got to say, that sums up the frustration people have across the country. the frustration with politicians in both parties that do not listen to us, that do not do what they promise, that do not fight for the people. we need leaders that fight for the working men and women of this country. [applause] sen. cruz: and as i said, i do

not know what the future holds, but i do know that from the very first days of this nation, god has blessed the united states of america and i am convinced god is not done with this country yet. [applause] sen. cruz: and if we are faithful, if we speak the truth, if we defend liberty, if we defend the constitution, if we empower the people, that i promise you there are brighter days ahead for united states of america. [applause]

[crowd chanting] guys,ruz: i will tell you the of you were in indiana, very last day of the campaign. god bless the great state of indiana, god bless the hoosier state. guys will confess to you one of the things that i'm sorriest about. one of the things that i most regretted after suspending our campaign. there were a group of volunteers who a travel the country who had and i am to this day upset with myself that i could not stay and hugged each of your next -- necks. that i could not thank you one at a time and i would just confess, i did not have the strength to do that and not

break down. and we had 50 tv cameras there and i tell you, i was not going to let those sob's turn lyin' ted into cryin' ted. [applause] sen. cruz: so i lasted through about two people that i had to go backstage. but i'm so grateful that heidi stayed out in public every person there. [applause] and this afternoon is simply an opportunity for us to hug you and say thank you for everything you do and we are to dod, we are privileged it side by side fighting for this country that would love with all our hearts. thank you. [applause]

♪ ted cruz, one of the key speakers tonight, night number three of the republican national convention in cleveland. our coverage night getting underway at 7:30 eastern. ahead of that, our preview program at 6:00 p.m. eastern.

political writing this the headline says ted cruz at a crossroads, alienating fellow gop senators came back to haunt him in the campaign, now he needs to decide what kind of senator he wants to be. they write, relax and low-key are not words typically associated with ted cruz but that is precisely how his colleagues describe the sexes -- describe the texas senator after he returned to the senate after losing to donald trump this spring. ted cruz will be speaking tonight, one of a number of speakers set for beginning at about 7:30 eastern on c-span. scott walker, the wisconsin governor, former presidential candidate. marco rubio as well come all that getting underway at 7:30 eastern. we are keeping r.i.m reports of protests outside the convention. fromis jake sherman political tweeted about them say they just outside, protesters outside the pruner near 4th street. the insurance is closed.

a tweet from jesse burns from the hill, he says one officer started spraying air assault at protesters, at least four protesters in handcuffs. police have brighter. we'll keep you on any developments on that printer -- will come to it they did any developments. director of the cleveland history center, abc them of the western reserve historical society which is nearly 150 and over 150 we have been collecting political ephemera telling the story of the presidential campaign. we have opened in power in politics, and exhibit that looks at buttons, garments and the conventions that were hosted in cleveland in the 1936. over the we have a 1924 convention display case.

this was the first convention hosted in cleveland with a special time in cleveland and it was chosen largely because of public auditorium which was the largest building of its kind in the country when it opened in 1922. also special in this convention was that this was the first convention where women played a role. they just secure the right to vote. their role largely during the convention was to act as hostesses, but they were very much a part of the activities. also special in 1924, it was the first presidential campaign when it was publicly available across the nation via the radio. it was the first broadcast convention. on the other side of the room we have a 1936 convention hosted in cleveland. this was a booming time in cleveland when we are hosting the great lakes exposition in another of other conventions. below any lowercase, this is the the proposal what

looks like going to the gop from cleveland inviting them to come. inside it talks about the lovely summertime resort weather and we are seeing that today. also we have a really great sunflower pain. this was -- pin. pin for the nominee at the convention. the gentleman or the little baby was the donor of that pin, so it is special that we have this image of him wearing that. other items we have are the programs from the two conventions, tickets. we have a huge political button collection. we see the campaign material from both sides of the aisle that were nominated campaigning that year. on this hearing reports day of protests growing larger outside of the convention area. a tweet here shortly a photograph of the protests going on. protesters chant "nazi scum go

home." we would seek -- we will keep you posted. also today cleveland, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani talked about hillary clinton and he said that the democratic residential candidate had violated federal laws relating to her e-mail and e-mail server. this is from earlier today. we're going to start the breakfast program.

good morning. night, right?ast [applause] briefly, was having a discussion with a couple of my peers this morning were in this room. every convention, there always seems to be that one speech, whether it is on the democratic side to render convention or the republican side on our convention, that always seems to set the tone and people remember. and i think we saw that speech last night with mr. donald j. trump, what do you guys think? [applause] at this time i would like to call, if everyone can please rise and then remain standing -- i would like to recognize the national committee man for the rnc and the state committeeman topalm beach county, peter

come up give us the invocation. [applause] thank you, mr. chairman. please bow your heads. heavenly father, become before you this morning with humble hearts and asked for your blessing on this food and on this gathering this morning. we give thanks for the blessing of living in florida and the blessing of the great leadership of those who are our elected officials. most importantly, father, we invoke your words for mark 324 -- for a house2 divided against itself cannot stand. we therefore pray for unity as we go forth from this convention. and we pray all this in the name of the god of abraham, isaac, jacob, moses and jesus. amen.

at this time i would like to recognize a gentleman who is doing a fantastic job of in washington dc shining a light on the problems with eva and making -- with the va and making sure they are accountable for our veterans. i would like to recognize congressman jeff miller to lead us in the pledge. [applause] miller: if you would join me to the pledge of the flag of these great united states of america. i pledge allegiance to the -- enter the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty for justice for all. [applause] everybody please be seated. no, i am not going to sing the national anthem, you do not want that. [laughter] >> come on, john.

come on, isn't it enough that i call the cleveland a speech last night? the you guys see that? -- diod you guys see that? before we start breakfast this morning i want to recognize people who are here this breakfast, and i want to make sure we give them a heartfelt thank you for everything they do. i would like to take this moment to recognize the staff of the republican party of florida. they had been doing an outstanding job. [applause] >> most notably, the executive

director george riley, who is a rock. >> most notably the executive director george riley, who is a rock. do we know how to put on a show or what? you know in florida comes to town. it has been an amazing lineup of speakers. we're continuing that trend today. i'd like to thank the staff of this hotel and the people serving us here this morning. give them a big round of applause. [applause] and at the breakfast on monday, i ask everybody in this room to take time out of their day and

thank all the police officers and the security who are keeping us safe. let's give them a big round of applause. [applause] so on monday i asked everybody in this room to thank them, so we're going to go a little step further this morning. when you see security, armed security, police officer, members of the secret service, take a picture of them with you, post them on social media, and let's thank them in front of the world for everything that they're doing to keep us all safe. [applause] at this time, i would like to recognize and call up to the stage the person who has been hosting the breakfast on monday, tuesday -- monday, wednesday, and thursday, a gentleman to me who needs no introduction, just

an outstanding friend, cracks the worst jokes i've ever heard in my life. i think i'm going to pay for that, in session. everybody give a warm welcome to speaker designate richard corcoran. [applause] mr. corcoran: thank you. thank you. welcome to what we call heavy hitter wednesday. you're about to hear from two people who are the most eloquent, make the greatest intellectual arguments on why hillary clinton should never be president of the united states. our first speaker is a commentator, an author, a political consultant, he's done more than 30 winning senate and governor campaigns, he makes over 400 appearances a year,

he's been called one of the most influential private citizens by time magazine, and i got to talk about the elephant in the room. he's also credited for turning around bill clinton's career. [laughter] [inaudible] mr. corcoran: dick morris said this, not me. he said that's not an elephant in the room, that's an ass in the room. [laughter] [applause] mr. corcoran: but i will say the good news about that, though, if it wasn't for dick morris, who created the career of bill clinton, who created the career of hillary clinton, the democrats might actually have somebody likable on the ticket. but with that i want to welcome to the stage and as you can see, he says there is no better way to prepare for battle than to know your enemy and the man that

is about to speak to you knows our enemy and he's written this book, he's given you 12 reasons why hillary clinton shouldn't be president. reason one is because she is a compulsive, serial liar. and so what we have done is taken the liberty of purchasing a book for each one of you because we believe that we would like you to read it and it will inspire you to go out and walk every day in your districts, your neighborhoods, to make sure that hillary clinton is not president. but, please give a warm round of applause for author, commentator, consultant, dick morris. [applause] mr. morris: you've all heard of penance, haven't you? good act to compensate for a bad act. that's why i'm here.

many of you may understand easily what i think about hillary. if you think about someone who you know who might be about her age, 60, 70, who you knew when they were 30, and when they were 30 they were very different people. but you could see in their personality at the age of 30 all of the defects that were to metastasize into dominant characteristics by the time they -- it was 40 or 50 years later. i'm sure everybody knows something like that. their noses were big, but not that big. the ears were big, but not that big. and when i worked with hillary 40 years ago, there was a little bit of deceit going on. she would not tell the truth easily. she cut some corners. the futures market -- which was

basically a bribe from tyson foods to not enforce environmental regs against chickens. and they paid her a $100,000 bribe, but the way they could dress it up was to give her a thousand and let her parlay that into the futures market. and in fact what they did was get 10 or 20 investors and the winning bets were all putting in hillary's account so she would get 100,000, when she reached the 100, the amount of the agreed bribe, she stopped there . there was that. there was also a certain sense of entitlement back then. she would always have this myth that she believed that she was ticketed for a top wall street career, out of yale law school, great deal of money and great big firm, but she threw it over for public service to come to arkansas, little back woods state, and help out the guy who wanted to be the governor to turn the state around.

that narrative omits the fact that she flunked the d.c. bar and that she couldn't have been hired by anybody and then after she did that, she was fired by the watergate committee for stealing documents, like billing records. she -- the watergate committee wanted to find out if nixon was entitled to counsel. and they looked back at the precedence and they saw that william o. douglas, the supreme court judge who the republicans wanted to impeach, got counsel. so the republicans were saying that this was saying that the -- that both parties agreed that they should be counseled. and hillary took those documents home with her and lost them. and they never surfaced. and she was fired for that. so never would have gotten a job anyplace. she joined the rose law firm after several years of trying, when her husband became attorney general.

she made partner when her husband became governor. she got in charge of health care when her husband was elected president. she got a senate seat when she defended him against lewinsky, in what i say got a senate seat, bill clinton cleared the field so there were no democrat primary rivals worthy of the name to oppose her. and we all put our hopes in rudy giuliani, who was taken ill, and thank god recovered and is with us now but is not running for the senate. [applause] so herris: accomplishments are totally derivative of her husband. that is not an authentic model of feminism. and at the same time you see these traits growing and metastasizing to a point where they take over her personality. secrecy and paranoia,

pathological lying, and an entitlement, greed based entitlement, a sense that after having lived a decade in the governor's mansion and eight years in the white house and five years in the state department, without having to drive a car, never having to fly even first class, much less commercial, never having to buy food or laundry or worry about baby-sitting or anything like that. she's grown addicted to a royal level of privilege. and she sought to continue that when she left the white house. dead broke in her words with only a $14 million book advance to keep her company. and she immediately set up a new arrangement with bill. this marriage that began as a

romance in the 1970s and 1980s and then became a business partnership in the 1990s has become a racketeering organization, a rico. [applause] where she sends bill around the world passing the bag and people give him speaking fees and in return the state department takes official action and now that she's out of the state department, she might be president and the process continues. if she's elected president, clinton -- bill will go around getting millions for each speech and they'll be directly traceable back to stuff that she does for those people as president. now, why did she have an e-mail server that was secret? because she needed to hide that paper trail. she couldn't let those e-mails out there proving this process. for example, one of the big swindles was the vladimir putin wanted to take over a canadian mining company that owned 20% of our uranium reserves. and that required state

department approval. so in june of 2009, putin invited bill to moscow to give two speeches for half a million dollars each with banks that were essentially state owned in russia. he took the cool million in cash, deposited it into the bill and hillary personal bank account, and four months later, hillary ruled in favor of the deal. now, there are 44 mentions of that deal in state department cables over that four-month period. it was a real hot topic of controversy within the state department. but there is not a single mention of it in any of hillary's e-mails that were released during that period. obviously those e-mails were deleted. and the whole purpose of the e-mail server was even if it put our secrets at risk from the chinese and the russians, her secrets would not be at risk from the american people.

and ultimately it is that paranoia and secrecy driven by the sense of greed and entitlement that led and leads to hillary's ongoing scandals. and you meet this person at the age of 68, who you knew at the age of 30, and you say, oh, my god, i could see where all of this came from, but didn't used to be like that. but you can see how these traits metastasized and took over her personality. now, let's talk a little bit about how trump is going to beat hillary. [applause] mr. morris: i think one thing you should do is should say the clintons hate me, the bushes hate me, and the romneys hate me, so what could i be doing wrong? [laughter] [applause] but that points to a larger message.

i did some work for the leave campaign in britain. and i've been working with them for 12 years. and we see the world in a horizontal dichotomy of continuum of left and right. you're at various points along the spectrum, ideologically. that is not how the alienated, apathetic, no-show voter sees politics. he sees politics as an inner circle, a tiny little circle of privilege and power and unspeakable wealth that rigs the system for themselves. another circle of their acolytes and lawyers and pr person, people and investment advisers, who live off them if they're

parasites, bute - they still live off the host. and then a third concentric circle of everybody else who gets screwed by the global economy. and they see donald trump just like they saw bernie sanders, and just like in britain they saw leaving the eu, as the cause for the outer concentric circle. and the circle has no left and has no right. so in brexit, we won the same percentage of the vote from conservatives, torres, as from labor party members. there was no left and right in that any more than there is in any circle. there was a sense of alienation, a sense of being left out, a sense of being an outsider. and donald trump needs not to run against hillary only as a republican, or as a democrat or as a liberal or even as a thief. she -- he needs to run against her as an insider. as the ultimate insider in our politics. and there is no more insider than the clintons.

and by running that kind of a campaign, and speaking for the people in the outer most circle, he can mobilize the voters that have not come out to vote in the past to come out and vote for him. the demographics are daunting. in 2004, karl rove and george bush brought out 10 million new white voters. in 2008, obama brought out 10 million new african-american latino and female and young voters. and they each won their elections because of that. but in 2012, 10 million white voters stayed home because they couldn't handle romney, because he was typical of that insider circle. and they saw the republican party in its worst possible light, of wall street, and vulture capitalism as they

called it, and it made no difference that some of the companies romney tried to help he did turn around, he did save jobs. they understood that the motivation there was making money. they saw him as capitalizing on the global economy, on outsourcing and all of that stuff, and they saw this process as fundamentally causing their own impoverishment. and they voted against him. they stayed home. and that was truly obama's margin of victory. so the first thing trump needs to do and the thing that only donald trump among our potential candidates could possibly do is to bring those people out to vote, to rekindle their faith in the process, to believe there is a fellow outsider running, who scorns the inside, just as valuably and as irritably and crankily as they do and mirrors

their frustrations and their views. and trump has ignited those people, mobilized them, and they're coming out to vote. and they are how trump is going to beat hillary. [applause] mr. morris: but he need not stop there. it is one of the supreme challenges of our lives that obama care may fall apart before we can repeal it. [laughter] [applause] mr. morris: it is like you make sure everybody on death row is really healthy. [laughter] mr. morris: but the fact that obamacare is dying, because the premiums are going higher and higher, the risk pool is getting

sicker and older, and poorer, and that in turn drives people out, and as of now, about 7 million people have chosen to pay the fine rather than enter the system. and the total number of people who are covered newly because of obamacare is only 4 million. he says 16. but eight of that is medicaid, which is welfare and has been there forever. he just raised the ceilings. and of the remaining eight, half are people who had insurance they were happy with, but couldn't continue it because it didn't meet the administration's regulations. so the number of new people covered by obamacare is only 4 million. and the number of people who are uninsured, who choose to pay the fine, is 50% larger than that. and the process is continuing. doctors are opting out, patients are opting out. that is deliberate. that is not a failure of barack obama.

that is his goal. that is hillary's goal. because they will come back at some point soon and hillary's doing it now, and saying, oh, you see how the insurance companies are ripping everybody off by raising the premiums? we made them cover people until 26 on their family's policies, forget we said you can't exclude preexisting conditions, forget we said you have to cover everything from psychotherapy to drug therapy to drug addiction therapy to sex change operations to mammograms for men, you have to cover everything and that drove the premiums up. now some of those are good. we want to cover pre-existing and we want kids to be covered by their family policies. but it all drove up the premiums. then when the companies raised the premiums, hey, get rid of the insurance companies, have a direct government payer socialized medicine system.

and if hillary's elected, that's what she is going to do. that will be the argument she will use. now, i'm in florida here with you, by the way i live with you, i live in del rey beach. [applause] mr. morris: i think that might be the first time in history anybody got an applaud for getting a tan. [laughter] mr. morris: and i want to pay tribute to senator marco rubio. [applause] because for all of the rhetoric, by all of the people, who opposed obamacare, it was he who killed it. single-handedly, marco rubio. [applause] mr. morris: when the budget was going through, the last budget bill, the administration had a

program that was basically welfare for insurance companies. they said to all the insurance companies for the first three years of obamacare, we will make good any losses you have, no matter how much. and we'll guarantee you a profit. it essentially turned insurance companies into utilities where the government assured them of their income. and marco rubio, last year, got a clause in the budget bill ending that subsidy. [laughter] [applause] mr. morris: and without that subsidy, the insurance companies are running, screaming. the largest one, united health care pulled out of obamacare and a bunch of others are about to. [applause] mr. morris: now, those issues, national security, immigration reform, stopping immigration

reform, getting rid of obamacare, the blue lives matter movement. [applause] last year 42 cops were killed in the line of duty. and those are all very good punches, but they're the right jab. that's the way the republican party usually runs. the right jab. now it needs to fight with both hands. it also needs a left hook. it also [applause] it also needs to go behind hillary's lines and mine the bernie sanders voters who already hate her. have already voted against her. already know that she's full of it. already know that she's controlled by the banks and the oil companies and the vested interests in our country, and that she's they're parrot. they already know that stuff. the problem is they do not see a

kindred spirit in donald trump. but they should. and he should make clear that he is a kindred spirit. the left hook involves his promising never to do quantitative easing again, never am i going to paper wall street with bonus money that is freshly printed, none of which gets lent to the community, all which of gets pocketed as bonuses or distributed in stock options or invested in derivative gambling, federally guaranteed. the left hook also says you cannot have six banks controlling 83% of the assets of the united states. [applause] mr. morris: if one of the great likes of our party theodore roosevelt stood for anything, it was that that kind of concentration of monopolistic power is against the interests of capitalism and freedom.

and we need our candidate to assert that. the left hook also means bring back glass steagall. [applause] when franklin roosevelt wanted to ensure insure deposits at banks, so there would be no more panics and no more runs on the bank, he put in a bill to create the federal deposit insurance corporation, fdic. and the chairman of the senate finance committee was a guy named carter glass, from virginia, crusty old guy, and he said i am not going to approve deposit insurance unless you regulate what wall street does with the money. if they're going to go out and way, and, fritter it a invest in crazy stuff, then i'm not going to guarantee that the depositors will see their deposits. that's in effect guaranteeing the casino gambling and therefore glass steagall was passed as a companion measure

with fdic. then bill clinton in his entire term in office resisted repealing glass steagall. in 1999, he knew he was going to lose his law license because of the paula jones lawsuit. and knowing that, he knew he had to do something else for a living. and he decided on a career as a speaker. no offense, mr. speaker. [laughter] mr. morris: and -- his biggest clients would be the banks and guess what? he signed repeal of glass steagall. and that year goldman sachs set up an ipo for an investment arm and they were off to the races. and the financial dysfunction that led to 2007 and 2008 began, not only with the fannie mae and freddie mac policies of the clinton administration, but with the financial deregulation policies of its last two years. then in its final year, 2000, his assistants, treasury

secretary, proposed regulation derivatives. he killed it. and he then passed a bill and signed it in the waning weeks of his presidency banning regulation of derivatives. so that the banks would really be beholden to him and his first speeches on the door of the white house came from those banks. donald trump needs to talk about that. we need to throw that left hook. we need to echo his rhetoric on that stuff. what about free college? ok. you don't have to dip into the treasury for free college. just make college contain its costs. [applause] mr. morris: trump should say that no college is going to get a dime in pell grants or student loans for its students unless it meets three criteria. one, its faculty works a minimum

of 12 contact hours a week with students. no more six hours a week for professors. number two, they spend 10% or less on their administrative costs. and number three, the ceos, the head of the colleges, cannot earn more than a certain ceiling of money. of money. [applause] mr. morris: i pushed and clinton proposed and signed a bill creating an opportunity tax credit that was supposed to give everybody free community college. and then they just raised their tuition and all of a sudden it became not free. and the state legislatures cut back their subsidies and suddenly it was all on tuition again. if we want to be like a dog chasing our tail, we can provide subsidies, they'll raise costs, we'll raise subsidies, they'll raise costs, and it will just never end.

so that's what trump should propose. that's all in the left hook. part of the left hook is school choice. [applause] to go -- to go to the minority community and say housing discrimination must not cause school segregation. [applause] and the -- and make the point that the civil rights issue of our time is the ability to choose which school your child goes to. [applause] mr. morris: those are all the left hook and republicans aren't used to left hook. but i work for both parties. i am. and that right jab will carry only so far. it is the left hook that is the secret of trump's ability to win this election. now, i enjoyed this speech.

i'm -- you can catch me every day if you go to dickmorris.com. i do a video every morning, just did today. and i'll e-mail it out to you for free at 450,000 people who get it. so actually can i see a show of hands who here gets my lunch alerts? yeah, that's great. so everybody is doing it. it is fun. and every saturday i do a history video about an episode in u.s. and world history. the one coming up on saturday will be an explanation of the details of the double cross system, where the british misled hitler as to where the normandy invasion was going to come. and deals with the actual names of the spies and all of that. now, unfortunately were you to invite me to speak to you next year in the event hillary wins we'll have to skype from new zealand. [laughter] [applause]

mr. morris: so i urge you and i beg you to let this poor kid continue to live in del rey beach and elect donald trump president. thank you. [applause] >> thank you so much. our next speaker is one of most respected and recognized leaders in the world. he was born in brooklyn to italian immigrants. he went to law school at nyu .

after graduating, he became a u.s. attorney, eventually rising to become the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, where he unabashedly took on anyone, anyplace, including the mob, and had 4,152 convictions. after that, he became the mayor of new york. as mayor of new york, as you heard from his powerful speech on monday, he took one of the most crime ridden cities and made it the safest big city in america according to the fbi. [applause] >> but where we really saw his truly brilliant, heroic leadership was on september 11, 2001. in classic fashion, mayor giuliani rushed to the scene and was nearly crushed as the towers

fell as he was down leading. he became the face and the hero for what was not only new york's, but our country's, one of the most darkest hours. from his leadership he was given time person of the year, knighted by the queen of england, called rudy the rock from the prime minister of france, and given the medal of freedom by first lady nancy reagan. and the great thing about mayor giuliani is he's not just the mayor of new york. we have so many new yorkers in florida. he's also the honorary mayor of florida. [applause] >> so please welcome a new yorker by birth, but a floridian by adoption, our great mayor, rudy giuliani. [applause]

mr. giuliani: thank you. [applause] thank you very, very much. you might notice i lost some of my voice. [laughter] mr. giuliani: the other night. but i'm still able to speak. and i'm still as passionate as i was last night, the night before, the night before that. our country is at a crossroads. you know that. dick wasn't exaggerating when he said, you know, we may have to conduct this from new zealand next year if things go wrong. the reality is we have a very, very dramatic choice between one

way our government can go and the second way. let me simplify, donald trump is a conservative, he's conservative in economic policy, he's conservative on national security. what does that mean? it means he's going to lower taxes, he's going to lower corporate taxes, he is going to reduce hundreds of millions of regulations that are crushing american businesses. by that he's going to reduce my income. because my law firm is going to make less money. [laughter] mr. giuliani: but he will help my country. when i was in the justice department in the 1970s, 1980s, the code of federal regulations was about this high. it now goes through the ceiling. every one of those regulations requires companies, small, medium, large, to hire lawyers, accountants, lobbyists, just in order to stay out of jail.

hillary stays out of jail just because she's a clinton. and that is hurting the ability of this country to produce jobs. even more than taxes. even more than the highest corporate tax in the world. donald trump understands that and he will make that change immediately. the 35% corporate tax will get slashed to 20% or 15% or i hope 10%. that will bring billions back to the united states. that is how you produce jobs. he'll reduce the regulations, my suggestion to him is here's what we do. we just say take out every other regulation. i don't care which one. cut them in half. just pile them up and get rid of the top half or the bottom half. you're not going to miss it.

[applause] mr. giuliani: then, he's going to negotiate agreements for us that help america. look, we want to trade. we want free trade. we want to trade with the whole world. but we want fair terms for trade. and nobody, nobody i have ever met, knowing him for 29 years, can negotiate as effectively as donald trump. [applause] mr. giuliani: if i was going to negotiate for the sale of my condo in palm beach, i would have donald trump negotiate for me. [laughter] mr. giuliani: if i was going to negotiate for, i don't know, for a new job, i would have donald trump negotiate for me. so who do i want negotiating for my country? do i want hillary clinton?

>> no. mr. giuliani: hillary clinton negotiated with putin. she gave away -- she gave away the defense of poland and the czech republic. the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic. first of all, i consider that immoral. i worked for ronald reagan. he's the one who set that up. he's the one who walked out of -- he walked out because gorbachev required him to give up what the "new york times" used to describe in a very nasty way, the star wars. the "new york times," by the way, is wrong about everything. [laughter] [applause] mr. giuliani: ronald reagan used to read it in order to do the opposite. [applause] mr. giuliani: i mean it.

it's true. now, how stupid can you be not to understand star wars? way back in the 1980s, when the stupid editorial board of the "new york times" and the "washington post" used to make fun of him. just think about this for a moment. if a missile can shoot down an airplane, which it can, correct? a missile can shoot down another missile. if it's a bigger missile, a better missile, a smarter missile, and a more powerful missile. only political ideologues who think that they're right about everything because they sit on the editorial board of the "washington post" or the "new york times" are too stupid to figure that out. now, if you need any proof that it works, look at the iron dome in israel. i had the great [applause]

one of thei: greatest and most fulfilling experiences of my life was prime minister netanyahu allowing me to take pictures of it. i took those pictures and i brought them to mrs. reagan three years ago before she died, on the board of the reagan library. and i shared them with her. and i shared with her what prime minister netanyahu told me to tell her. which is that if it was not without her husband, there would be thousands of israelis dead. in return for that, there would be many more palestinians dead because prime minister netanyahu lines and thend and yellownto pink lines and backs down.

he fights back for his country. [applause] mr. giuliani: somebody the other day ask me, how can i vote for donald trump? he's politically incorrect. [laughter] [applause] mr. giuliani: i said, ok. let's assume he is politically incorrect. i prefer voting for someone who is politically incorrect than a criminal. [applause] now, you're: looking at somebody who has more experience prosecuting criminals than i do practicing politics. i have prosecuted thousands and thousands of criminals, from the lowest level to the highest level, to the heads of the five organized crime families in new york, and i put them in jail for 100 years.

[applause] mr. giuliani: to ivan and michael and the wall street criminals, the movie "wall street" is about my case. that is good movie. the second one wasn't so good. [laughter] mr. giuliani: i prosecuted colombian drug cartels, murderers. i prosecuted two former nazis and sent them back to be execute executed for having killed in one case 10,000 and in the other case, 12,000 jewish people. [applause] i prosecuted two sitting united states congressmen and put them in jail. [applause] and i prosecuted most of the koch administration,

which is how i became mayor. [applause] mr. giuliani: so i'm going to tell you this and i'm going to tell you this with great conviction and absolutely no fear that there's anyone that can contradict this. hillary clinton has violated so many federal laws, i would need a blackboard bigger than that to write them all down. i keep them on my ipad. they're all here, all the violations. i never had a case that is as strong as the case against hillary clinton. i never, ever as a lawyer have ever guaranteed a result either to the government or to my clients, because i don't know what juries are going to do. however, i will bet my life that if you put me in front of 12 fair and decent americans and you let me prosecute this case against hillary clinton, she

will go to jail for ten years or more. [applause] >> locker up. lock her up. lock her up. mr. giuliani: this is my list of violations. hannity puts it up once a week. he puts it up on his show. and every couple of weeks, i update it with a few more violations. but chris christie last night and dick morris this morning laid out the case for you. i don't have to go any further. i'm going to add one other, however, that really troubles me as a federal prosecutor.

there is a bank called ubs. they were in a big dispute with the internal revenue service. the internal revenue service wanted ubs to turn over numerous secret bank accounts. and the justice department, my days in the justice department, we would have numerous cases like this with the swiss in trying to get the bank accounts of organized criminals, drug dealers, and various other criminals. this appeared to have been going on for some time. ubs made a $60,000 contribution to the clinton foundation. rather small in clinton numbers. [laughter] mr. giuliani: and they made a $600,000 contribution to the clinton foundation. we are starting to talk about

more money now, right? and then somewhere in that sequence, hillary clinton called the internal revenue service and told them to go easy on ubs, that this could cause friction with the swiss. [laughter] mr. giuliani: we're going to go to war with switzerland? [laughter] mr. giuliani: the pope would have to give up the swiss guard. [laughter] mr. giuliani: we're not going to fight with the pope's swiss guard. i don't even think switzerland has a damn army. [applause] mr. giuliani: the person at the internal revenue service says that he had never received a call like this ever from a secretary of state and was shocked at her intervention in the case. several months later, bill clinton got a $1.2 million

speaking fee from ubs. if that's not a bride, i don't know what's a bribe. we are not -- [applause] mr. giuliani: i put a congressman in jail and ruined his career for a $40,000 bribe. general petraeus had his reputation ruined for revealing two pieces of top secret information. she revealed thousands, thousands. >> [crowd chanting "lock her up"] mr. giuliani: so it's got to end. i think dick made the case really well. this special standard for the

clintons that the liberal media has created, the "new york times," the "washington post," nbc, cbs. what am i missing? >> cnn. mr. giuliani: i don't even think about them. [laughter] mr. giuliani: this special thing they created for the clinton has got to end because if we stand for anything, we stand for equal justice under the law. [applause] mr. giuliani: as dick pointed out, the clintons have been stealing since they were in little rock. you go to little rock and talk to people like i do, and they will tell you that bill clinton was one of the most crooked governors in the state, and his bag woman was hillary clinton at their own law firm. [applause] mr. giuliani: they were crooks back in little rock.

they sold the lincoln bedroom. hillary clinton was the enforcer in chief against the women who accused bill clinton of sexually assaulting them. >> [booing] mr. giuliani: she's a feminist? if there's a war on women, the war on women was the one conducted by bill clinton. [applause] mr. giuliani: and powered by hillary clinton. [applause] mr. giuliani: now, she knew his history. we knew this history, and along comes this young woman, monica lewinsky, who tells us about what he was doing in the oval office. when she made her first allegations, did you believe her? >> yes.

mr. giuliani: did all of america believe her? >> no. mr. giuliani: hillary clinton didn't believe her. for six months, they conducted a campaign trying to make her sound like she was some kind of an insane maniac. they tried to ruin and destroy the young woman. and then it turned out she had the dress and the dna, and if she didn't, she would have been ruined, and hillary clinton and bill clinton would have been the ones to have ruined the young woman. hillary clinton says she wants to take care of women who were victims of sexual abuse. what about monica lewinsky? [applause] mr. giuliani: she was a young girl. an impressionable young girl. who was taken advantage of by

the president of the united states. >> [booing] mr. giuliani: if you ran a company, you would be fired in a minute. for much less than that. you get fired now for telling a dirty joke. my god, i had somebody tell me walking in, they don't even like to say to women anymore, you look beautiful. my goodness, it may be misunderstood. it was nothing to be misunderstood about what bill clinton did. no misunderstanding. [laughter] mr. giuliani: you know what it was. i know what it was. [applause] mr. giuliani: and hillary clinton -- you can't tell me for a minute that she didn't know from the moment monica lewinsky made her allegations. she knew her husband. she knew his history.

she knew about the bimbo squad that tried to destroy all the women that bill clinton violated. she knew that whole history. when he walks up to the bedroom that night, imagine what she said to him. [laughter] about how she used to throw all this stuff at him, call him all kinds of names. so we can't have them in the white house. we can't. we can't. this would be a disgrace for our to have a criminal like this in the white house. on the other hand, we have a man who will straighten out our economy. he will make sure we stand up to islamic terrorism. he's not afraid to say islamic terrorism. [applause] mr. giuliani: he will completely undo the ridiculous agreement

with the ayatollah of iran. [applause] beyond that, he'll negotiate in our interests, and mike pence has indicated to us he's going to bring highly capable people into government. >> just like you. [applause] mr. giuliani: everybody always says, why doesn't a presidential candidate name their cabinet before they get elected? i am going to tell you why. if donald trump or even hillary clinton were to name their cabinet before they got into office, they would then be 12 or 13 people the press would try to destroy before the election in order to destroy the candidate. but, we get a very clear idea of the kind of cabinet we're going

to have by the choice of vice president. so we're going to have a cabinet like mike pence. we're going to have a cabinet maybe not with exactly his background, but governor, a very successful governor of indiana. a very successful businessman. a very religious man. a very decent man. and a member of the united states congress with both fiscal and foreign policy experience. you can't ask for more than that. [applause] mr. giuliani: and i'm going to tell you something because it helped me a lot as mayor of new york. when you take office as an outsider and a reformer, i never held an elected office before i was mayor of new york. just like donald trump. i didn't do too bad, right? [applause]

mr. giuliani: when you come in as a reformer, as dick pointed out, as the guy who is going to shake washington up and change it, change domestic policy, change foreign policy, you draw the best people to you. it gives people excitement that they're going to get a chance to change it, to fix it. they're going to get a chance to get it better. i worked in the reagan administration. i worked in washington for president reagan. i worked for him eight years, 2 years in half washington. i worked on speeches with him. i worked on law enforcement policy with him. i worked on haitian immigration policy with him. problems with him, as you remember in florida.

we got so many talented people volunteering to come work for us because ronald reagan was going to change things. donald trump will be like abraham lincoln. abraham lincoln used to sit in the oval office in the first couple days of the presidency, so many people wanted jobs, he was getting exhausted. he will draw the best people in the government. i know this man for 29 years. and i know he puts on a great show. i'm going to tell you a secret about donald trump. he doesn't build those buildings himself. [laughter] mr. giuliani: he doesn't pour the concrete. he doesn't put the nails in the wall. he hires enormously capable people to do it. he didn't [applause] he didn't redo all of doral in ten months. you know, driving the tractor.

he went and got the best golf architect he could find who understood doral. he went and got the best people he could find that could fix up the resort. now doral is one of the great golf resorts in the world once again. [applause] i saw him take over the rank when ed koch was the mayor. it took him three years and he never got it done. donald trump took over and got it done in ten months. [applause] but the point is he didn't do it himself. he hired capable, competent, and very good people to do it. those are the people who will be working for us. you see, the kind of stuff donald trump has done for that beautiful family of his, the

wealth that he's created, the empire he's created, that's what he's going to do for us. that's what he's going to do for all of us. [applause] mr. giuliani: when he says he's going to make america great again, he means it. he means great. he means prosperous. and for all of us. white and black and hispanic and asian and everything else we are. if i leave something out, please don't get angry at me. [laughter] mr. giuliani: he loves all people. and he wants us to be the country we should be. we should be the leading country on earth. i want a president who when putin wakes up in the morning, the ayatollah wakes up in the morning, morning, they are -- fidel -- fidel is dead, just propping him up.

fidel is actually -- fidel is has actually been dead for four years and they mummified him. [laughter] [applause] [ chanting "rudy" ] mr. giuliani: let me try it one other way. do you really think putin, the ayatollah, the head of the islamic state, or the head of south korea, do you think they're afraid of hillary clinton or barack obama? >> no. mr. giuliani: do you think they're afraid of donald trump? >> yes. mr. giuliani: you're damn right they are. i will tell you from knowing him

for 29 years, i can tell you a lot of things about him, but i'm going to finish now. i'm going to tell you one thing, and boy, this is the reason he should be our president. this man doesn't back down to anyone. you have seen it. [applause] mr. giuliani: he didn't back down to the establishment of our party. he didn't back down to all the terrible things the media did to him. when he believes he's right, he fights. we're right. we have to fight to protect ourselves. we don't get freedom for nothing. we have to take this war against us to them and fight it there, not in orlando, not in san bernardino. [applause]

mr. giuliani: but in iraq and afghanistan and pakistan and all those places where they're trying to kill us, and before they kill us, we have to kill them. [applause] we don't want to do it. we would rather not do it, but when you take that oath of office, you take the oath of office to protect americans. and finally, finally, if there is one group of people that i love with a special honor, going back to my five uncles who were police officers, my one uncle who is a fire captain, it's my new york city police department and my new york city fire department. i loved them before september 11, and i was at the bedside of at least 40 of them who died in the line of duty before september 11, holding hands and holding their family's hands.

i love these men because -- and women -- because they put on a uniform that means that they are risking their lives to protect us. i'm not wearing that uniform. they're protecting me. i'm not protecting them. when you do the kinds of things this administration has done to the reputation of our police, and the new york city police and new york city fire department, no different than the police in orlando or miami or in nevada or here in cleveland. it's one, blue. they're the ones who save us. they're the ones who put their lives at risk for us. when you do what this administration has done to the reputation of these brave men and women, you should be ashamed of yourself. you should be ashamed of yourself. [applause]

and if you think this is helping race relations in america, race relations are much worse now than the day obama came into office. i can stand here and tell you without fear of contradiction, no mayor in the history of new york city saved more black lives than i did. no mayor -- no mayor in new york city found more jobs for african-americans than i did. and i am passionate about choice charter schools and vouchers as a way out. yes, yes, yes, there's unfairness.

we can cure it. and we need donald trump to do it. thank you, and god bless you. [applause] [chanting "rudy"] >> mayor rudy giuliani. now, the mayor has just informed me as he is going to graciously stay for a couple minutes and he's going to answer three questions from the audience. we know he has a busy schedule. before we get the questions, just a moment of personal privilege here. mayor, i was telling the mayor as he walked ip, i'm a kid that grew up in new york city. and some people know me, i did not grow up with a family of means.

and when i was younger, i went to high school. i graduated high school in 1988. i moved to florida in 1996. and growing up as a kid in queens, we hardly ever went into manhattan, new york city. because of the crime rate, we were afraid -- my father used to say, just please don't go to manhattan because i want to make sure that you return. under this man's -- and i'm going to say it -- leadership, he not only turned around new york city, but made new york city thrive and prosper to the point when i first went back after i moved to florida from new york city, and i went into manhattan and i said, wow. look at this place. and that is a testament to your hard work and your leadership, mayor. thank you so much. [cheers and applause]

three questions. let's answer three questions. right there. i'm sorry, right there. make sure you speak loud. >> i was reading a newspaper publication. and it said that there was only a 24% chance that donald j. trump would win the white house. and it's obviously disheartening, but share your thoughts, if you would, about the liberal media who spent now 48 hours talking about a speech that may or may not have been plague plagiarized and then we have this battle going on that we're trying to tell our friends and neighbors all across the country, you don't know, you do, but the kind of stuff we should say on a regular basis to put us over the finish line. by the way, they say the chances of donald trump winning are the same as an nba player misses a

free throw. >> hold the paper up again, please. you know what to do with it? i would imagine you could go back to 1980 and they wrote similar things about ronald reagan, who won in a landslide. who won in a landslide. the "new york times" is a disgrace. it's a dishonest, dishonorable newspaper. it's had numerous reporters who had to be fired for lying and cheating, and they have a liberal bias that enormous, and they're not making any money. and nobody, nobody pays

attention to them but the people who are going to vote that way anyway. so don't worry about it. donald trump has a very good chance of winning the presidency. i believe he is going to win the presidency. i do not believe that the american people, as they get to know his program for growth, his program for defending us, i believe that's what the majority of people are. just like a year ago the "new york times" would have written that donald trump had zero percent of being the republican nominee, they are just as right about that as they are about the 24%. [applause] >> mr. mayor, what do we say to leaders of our party, some of whom are former presidential candidates who are well known to the state who are supporter never trump or not supporting our nominee? what should we say to them? >> look, some of them are very good friends of mine. i like them very much. i feel bad that they're taking a position they're taking. i am a republican.

i would vote donald trump even if i wasn't a good friend of his. i happen to have the advantage of knowing him very well, which makes me much more enthusiastic about it, but how could they possibly want to see hillary clinton in the white house? and we can't play this game, well, she'll be in for four years. first of all, i don't know how much damage she can do in four years. it may be irreversible. i don't know if four years doesn't become eight years. this is our chance to change the country we love. it's not about jeb bush. you know, it's not about his ego or whether he feels he was insulted, and he may honestly feel that way. it's not about whether mitt romney feels -- i don't know what he feels, whatever he feels. i never got much feeling for mitt to start with. maybe if we had gotten a little feeling from mitt, we wouldn't

have obama. i don't know what they'll do. you have a great governor. he's supporting donald trump. your governor, by the way, your governor, by the way, doesn't get the credit he deserves. you got a great senator. and -- and he's shown that he's a man that can overcome. some of the hurdles and some of the disappointments of losing. i had to do that when i supported john mccain. that's part of life. it's part of being a man, part of being a woman, part of being an adult. so here's what i would say. it shows that the establishment of the republican party is against donald trump.

thank god. because the establishment of the republican party, the establishment of the republican party hasn't done much better than the establishment of the democratic party. they screw up washington. coming in with a whole group of new people, a whole group of new people. because we're going to change the way washington is run. we're going to make it run for the people. >> mayor giuliani, we know you were the mayor of the most vibrant city in the world, and we had every creed, color, race on this planet there in new york city. we know that god the lord, our creator, loves all lives. yet we have democratic candidates who have said only black lives matter, and we know

that blue lives matter because they protect all of us. so as god as said that all lives matter, would you address that with us, please? >> a very profound question. whenever we start to create special categories for racist, religions, ethnic groups, we start to divide each other. when i became mayor of new york city, my motto was, one city, one standard for everybody. for good, for bad. doesn't matter what color, what creed. i was making appointments and i had to make an appointment to my european liaison office. i had a black liaison officer, jewish, irish, italian liaison officer, indian, pakistani, gay and lesbian liaison officers.

and i had one called european liaison officers. i'm trying to figure out, who do you supply for a european liaison officer? if i pick somebody french, i would insult the germans. if i pick somebody swiss, i'll get $1.2 million speaking fee. so i'm sitting there with my deputy mayor and my best friend who died last week, peter powers, who was my campaign manager, and moved to your state. three years ago. lived in miami. i said, you know something. why don't i just do away with all of these officers, thereall 13 of them? why do i need them, black officer and a jewish officer and

a lesbian and gay officer and european officer and an asian officer, chinese officer. why don't i have just one person who tries to help all people equally? and that's what i tried to do. [applause] i think it is perfectly proper for us to take and plagiarize obama's speech in '04. there's no white america. there's no black america. there's one america. problem is, he hasn't followed that. we will. we will. >> big round of applause for america's mayor, rudy giuliani. [applause]

[chanting "rudy"] for the start of the third day of the republican national convention. tonight speakers include three former rivals of donald trump, and later, the official nomination of governor mike pence to be the vice presidential nominee. he was elected in 2013 as indiana's chief executive; before that he served six terms in the u.s. house. he has a lot law degree from indiana university and is married with three children. c-span has been exploring some of the sights and sounds around cleveland. just look at what's called media row.

>> a couple weeks ago, this was a parking garage. the deputy communications director for the rnc, how did you transform this facility into media row? >> a lot of help. when we saw the space, people thought we couldn't transform it, and we brought in a couple different companies. a local contractor, a construction company who built the drywall and put down the carpet and lights, and we brought in a specialty design team who built out everything else. it took a lot of people. >> this is the second level of the parking garage. it has carpeting, you can see the beings. but why do you have this? why here? >> you know, the interesting thing is this has never happened before, and with the influx of digital media, a lot of people use snapchat and don't have a

place operate. in 2012, they didn't even exist. now they're utilized by millennials to get the majority of their news. we want to give them a spot where they can broadcast not just from work but do interviews. we've made this space our main surrogate hub. >> it's a little bumpy, because it is a parking garage, but give us a sense of who is here. >> there are 160 different outlets. google, youtube creators, and our traditional media. we have all the radio stations that are here, probably 75 different radio stations, abc and their affiliates, fox radio, along with smaller people like vox, people who were up-and-coming. you have anything from bloggers,' digital, social. >> what's different is how

different it is from inside the q. it's a lot busier. >> we wanted to have a lot of buzz in here, and i think it does. we created the space to have a different flow, and part of that is to create energy and excitement. when you think of digital outlets, you think of fun. andooks like a frat house, that's what we are marketing to, first-time voters. >> in terms of getting the message out, what was the thinking behind this approach? >> well, there is no -- if you look around the space, it's going away from what we have seen as a trade show, or what you have seen in the past. it's camera ready. no matter where you turn, its camera ready. you can do stand up, a full side or organic,. we want people to do an interview in front of it, but we wanted to be innovative for the younger generation and the

traditional outlets as well. >> are going to go around the corner -- i want to ask you about your role. most recently, you moved here in march, joining the republican national committee and convention team. how does that come together, and have you seen the city transform? >> i have been here since march, and i have seen quite a few different transformations along the way, but i did all the debates and the presidential primary. so a lot of experience. i got picked up to do one of the largest events of the year, to help out with the communications team. >> let's go back to the field. give our audience a sense of what is happening. >> we are bringing all the vips here, all the surrogates into this space, to parade it around. they have the opportunity to hit a radio station, a digital platform, to a tv, any online blogger. we strategically placed everyone

so that not all radio is in one section, not all tv is in one section, but rather that everyone gets the lot. we didn't put everything in the front; we tried to mix it around so when people go different places, they have to walk past all these other, smaller outlets that may not normally get the opportunity to interview. >> and you are part of the campaign in 2012. can you give us a perspective of how it has changed in the last four years from that campaign cycle to 2016? >> on the digital front, google in 2012, who now has youtube, they weren't even considered media. they wouldn't have been allowed in here. now we see them as hard hitters of news and distributing news to millennial generations. so i think that is one of the biggest changes; this would not have ever happened. now people are saying, you have set the bar so high, we have to do this moving forward. i think everyone has at least.

>> and if you didn't know, you wouldn't know this was a parking garage. >> that was the goal. i think people were a little dismayed at first, giving them a parking garage, that i think we have made it a nice accommodation. >> as we take a walk around the corner, how long did it take you to transform this plays into media row, and to tear it all down? >> it took us about three weeks for construction. then a week for the design. four altogether, four days to break down. >> lindsay keith, from the republican national convention, thank you for your time. >> thanks, steve. >> donald trump arrived in cleveland earlier today and was greeted by indiana governor and vice president the running mate mike pence. at the same time, former rival ted cruz was thanking his

supporters just down the street. here's a portion of his remarks. an amazing campaign field of 17 talented, dynamic candidates, we beat 15 of those candidates. >> [cheers and applause] we just couldn't beat 16. >> [laughter] >> our party now has a nominee. and i don't know -- >> [booing] >> that was pretty well orchestrated. >> [laughter] jeff, did you e-mail them to fly the plane when i said that?

>> [laughter] >> and let me say, let me say to the men and women here, i don't know what the future is going to hold. i don't know what's going to , what, but what i do know remains unshakable, is my faith in the men and women here. >> [cheers and applause] is thati do know everyone of us have an obligation to follow our conscience. >> [cheers and applause] to speak the truth and truth is unchanging. >> [cheers and applause] >> to defend liberty. >> [cheers and applause] >> there's a lot of talk about unity; i want to see unity, and the way to see unity is for us

to unite behind shared principles, to unite in defense of liberty. >> [cheers and applause] >> and for us to empower the grassroots. >> [cheers and applause] we've seen some things that haven't been pretty. answero know that the for this country is not going to come from washington, d.c. it's not going to come from the establishment in both parties. it will only come from the grassroots and we the people. >> [cheers and applause] >> you know, one of the great things about being married, when you have a spouse who is a soulmate, who's traveling the journey with you, when you're

up, she tries to keep your feet nailed to the ground. >> [laughter] >> and when you are down, she tries to lift you off the ground. earlier today, heidi e-mailed me something she found on the internet. >> oh, boy. >> [laughter] >> which made me laugh. some of y'all may have heard of before, but it is still worth remembering. over 5000 years ago, moses said to the children of israel,, take up your shovels mount your asses and camels, and i will lead you to the promised land. nearly 75 years ago, roosevelt said, lay down your shovels, sit camel, asses, light up a this is the promised land. >> [laughter] and today -- >> [laughter]

>> and today, congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of camels, and mortgaged the promised land. >> [cheers and applause] and i got to say, that sums up the frustration people have across this country, the frustration with politicians in both parties that don't listen to us, that don't do what they promised, that don't fight for the people. we need leaders who fight for the working men and women of this country. >> [cheers and applause] >> and as i said, i don't know what the future holds. but i do know that from the very

first days of this nation, god has blessed the united states of am convinced god is not done with this country. >> [cheers and applause] >> and if we are thankful, if we speak the truth, if we defend liberty, if we defend the constitution, if we empower the people, then i promise you there are brighter days ahead for the united states of america. >> [cheers and applause] >> amen! >> [cheering] [chanting]

>> i will tell you guys, many of the veryin indiana, last date of the campaign. so god bless the great state of indiana, god bless the hoosier state. but i will confess to you guys one of the things that i am sorriest about. one of the things that i most regret is after suspending our campaign, there were a group of those who had traveled the country, who had bled. i am to this day upset with myself that i could not stay and hug each of you, that i could time, andyou one at a i will confess, i didn't have the strength to do that and not break down. there, andv cameras i wasn't going to let those

s.o.b's turn lying ted in decryinto crying ted. >> [cheers and applause] so i lasted through to people and had to go backstage, but i am so grateful that heidi stayed out and hugged every person there. >> [cheers and applause] it's anhis afternoon, opportunity for us to hug you, and for us to say thank you for everything you do, and we are humbled, we are privileged to do it side-by-side, fighting for this country that we love with all our hearts. thank you. >> [cheers and applause] [chanting] [cheering]

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>> day three of this republican national convention, from cleveland, ohio. we are once again inside the quick and loans arena. tonight session is getting underway in about 90 minutes. place fore to be your a and interrupted this rnc convention, and by the way, every stage ha speech has been clipped and catalogued. the focus this evening will be on donald trump's running mate, indiana governor mike pence, and is to former rivals. let's look at the agenda, make

america first again. we will be hearing from the attorney general of florida, governor scott walker, lynne patton, along with senator ted trump, newt gingrich joined by his wife, and indiana governor mike pence. donald trump arriving here in cleveland midafternoon. he landed along the lakefront airport and encircled it on a trump helicopter, and was greeted by his running mate, governor mike pence. begin with ed o'keefe of "the washington post." what does mike pence need to do? >> he has to introduce himself, not only to this convention hall, but to a majority of republicans into the country. there was a recent poll that

said 80% of republicans don't know who he is. he has to fill in some biography for certain. but he also has to play the traditional role of attack dog, which is what running mates do, especially on their night. there have been plenty of attacks leveled against clinton, some of the most aggressive we have ever seen, so it will be interesting to see how he is slightly more subdued, but also pretty slick. how he delivers an indictment of mrs. clinton. i think you'll probably be compared most directly to what chris christie did last night, serving as a prosecutor by running through various reasons why she shouldn't be elected president. but i would also keep an eye most especially -- circle the ted cruz speech. we don't know what he's going to say, we don't know how long he's going to speak. they are trying to keep him at bay but also in the fold. we don't know whether he would endorse -- there have been no indications that is coming --

and we know he wants to be president and is already laying the groundwork for 2020. does he deliver a happy speech? or is he a little more gracious like ted kennedy in 1980? not usually a word attributed to ted cruz. we will have to wait and see. >> we will come back and talk more about this. the trump campaign insisting that governor pence was his first choice, but susan swain -- susan? >> steve, i am on the floor with congressman jeb hence, chairman of the house financial services committee, here to support his longtime friend, the vice presidential nominee, mike pence. how long is your friendship, and tell me about how you became friends. >> i guess we have known each other for going on 13 years now. when i came in to congress as a freshman, he was a sophomore. you quickly gravitate toward those people who are leaders and principled conservatives,

all-around good guys. that was mike pence. we became friends, and he became chairman of the conservative caucus. i was his right hand and i followed him into that position. we took on a lot of battles together. from time to time, having to battle our own party leadership, whether it be on earmarks, on wall street bailouts. and iome to admire him, think he is truly the closest thing we have to ronald reagan's voice and the party today. i know you don't look backwards, you look forwards, but i think this night will come alive with his voice. i think this place will get excited, electric. when i think about donald trump and the most important decision you can make as a presidential candidate, he hit it out of the ballpark. >> he's not a household word, mike pence. what does he have to do to the national audience watching tonight? >> i think he needs to be himself. he comes from the heartland, he speaks from the heart.

he will let people know what's important to him, his faith, his family, freedom, prosperity of every day working americans. i'm sure he will talk about his record in indiana. texas, one of the best economic records in the entire union. unemployment almost cut in half, largest tax cut in indiana history. they will know him as somebody who can get things done, and they will know he is one of them. somebody who, again, worked a guyachieved big things, who knows you are only limited by the size of your dreams in america. mike pence has the ability to inspire when so many people have lost faith that the american dream will be there for their children and grandchildren. >> when mr. trump first reached out to him, did he call and ask you what do you think? >> well, we had a conversation or two.

we have done some texting back in fourth, but i'm happy for mike. it's going to be a big challenge but it's a huge opportunity,. i'm happy for my party into my country that donald trump picked him. as a guy who considers himself a movement conservative, mike pence is one of the most respected conservative leaders in america. people all over america will be able to know why the rest of us admire him within this auditorium. >> speak to some of the challenges. >> lesson, he does have -- listen, he does have to introduce himself. he is known well within conservative circles, well in indiana, but people need to get to know him, get to know his family, his wonderful wife and three children. he's going to have a challenge. people are going to come and try to take your head off once you get yourself on the national ticket. it's a new arena. mike has been the leader.

he, has the courage of his convictions, and he will be a happy warrior, to talk about what is it we can do to make families safe and secure, what can we do to get this economy moving again? he'll have a challenge to do that, but i know he's up to it, because he has proven it in the leadership positions he's had already. questions.ore are you concerned about his working relationship with donald trump, who was obviously a very forceful personality? >> well, they may be the political odd couple, i don't know, but they seem to work out somewhat well, and i think it's good that donald trump would pick somebody who may have strengths where he has weaknesses. mike is somebody who knows how things work on capitol hill from his five terms that he served as a member of the house, including house leadership. he is somebody who knows how to get the economy moving from a legislative perspective. donald trump knows how to get the economy moving from being in private enterprise and being a

very successful builder and developer and entrepreneur. i think they will make a good team. >> last question in your area of expertise, financial services. you told me last night that you had a meeting with donald trump, and a trump presidency with you of chairman as financial services. what is your relationship with wall street look like? >> i think we will have economic opportunity for all and bank bailouts for non-. one thing i have encouraged is he knows, as i know, that dodd frank has made the big banks bigger, the small banks fewer, and it has made working americans worse off. he wants to get rid of dog frank, and we are going to replace bailouts with bankruptcy, like any other company. we will make sure that taxpayer capital isn't used for private investor capital to back up banks. we are going to make sure that consumers have innovative and transparent markets that are vigorously policed, and we are

going to make sure that markets work for individuals, not for government bureaucrats, not for the special privilege on wall street. and i don't think any of us really want to occupy wall street. we want to make it accountable . >> a longtime friend of governor mike pence, as he speaks to this crowd into a national audience. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> susan swain. let me go back to ed o'keefe.i want to frame this question in terms of donald trump using his head or his heart when he came to the decision, because he made it a point to say that he was his first pick. was mike pence the first pick? >> well, based on the reporting it camelleagues, that down to pence, newt gingrich, and chris christie. ultimately, the decision was made, and the up was given to

mr. pence. the confusion had more to do with the news leaking out before his campaign would have liked. now we know there were some second thoughts in the evening going into the day before was pick,ced, but he is the more of a head pick than a heart pick. problem,ll has a base still has a problem with the republican command structure and infrastructure of the party, whether or not he is a genuine republican or conservative. certainly he has taken positions that have put about arts with to winty orthodoxy and over guys mike pence was critical, because they will go home to texas and tell their constituents and supporters that they have got to vote for this d the hope is that trump will be able to hold on. what i don't think pence does a lot for trump is expand that

base to swing voters, to women, to minorities, who you struggling to win over, and who he would need to prevail in november. >> we want to welcome our c-span radio audience. we had the c-span radio app. any follow-up on the other story, in a statement by meredith mciver, the one responsible, apparently, for the paragraphs taken out of michelle obama's speech. i want to share with you what she said. "in working with melania trump in her recent speech, we discussed many people who inspired her and messages that she wanted to share with the american people. a person she always liked his michelle obama. over the phone, she read me some passages from her speech as examples. i wrote them down and later included some of the phrasing in a draft that ultimately became the final speech. i did not check mrs. obama's speeches.

this was my mistake, and i feel terrible for the chaos that i have caused, as well as to mrs. obama. no harm was meant." she offered to resign, that was not accepted. do you believe her? >> well, we know she has been a ghost writer for trump himself in some speeches and books, so she has been around. the idea that he would be relying on her, saying that he had a lot of trust on her -- you know, it's plausible. i suppose there is no way of knowing. the fact that they went 38 hours before clarifying it instead of the sign ofafter is a campaign that still believes it can do whatever it wants, but the general election is underway. it began last night. this seems to be a sufficient explanation. the sincerest form

of flattery, and i'm sure the first lady has been awfully flattered. >> a rough first day of this convention, the debate over the campaign has the trump found its footing? >> last night i would say was a quieter night in the home. you have been to more of these and i have. the half dozen i have been to, that was a pretty tepid audience. even when it was made official that he was the nominee, there was a response, there was a celebration, but it wasn't the building shaking, ear scratching screaming and shouting we have seen in the past. that's indicative of the facts that so many of the delegates who are here, and i can say this with the c-span audience appreciating the nuance, that many are cruise supporters or kasich supporters, because they did a better job of winning the right to send delegates to the convention, but had to vote for trump.

that is why i think it is worth watching the cruz speech, because a lot of these supporters did not have trumpet with their first choice. we'll see how they respond tomorrow night. he's used to filling arenas across the country, bigger and smaller than this. he has had problems filling this arena, and that hasn't happened in the past, which is indicative of the fact that lobbyists, corporations, and so many republican elected officials across the country took a pass on coming. they're not here to fill the upper tiers. >> cnn reporting that senator cruz will not officially endorsed donald trump. let me go back to your earlier point. what will he talk about? >> he could go a few ways. he could take the conciliatory route that ted kennedy took in 1980, or he could take a slightly more self-interested, combative stance that pat buchanan took in 1992, that many people contribute to bush's

loss. we will see. we know he is are you putting the infrastructure in place to run again in 2020. he has moved some of his aides into a shell of a nonprofit political organization to work on policy and outreach, to serve as a political vehicle. he hasn't ruled out, and he has refused to endorse company because he doesn't think you've sufficiently conservative and because of what transpired in the later weeks when, among other things, he accused cruz's father of conspiring with the cubans to kill president kennedy in 1963. cruz is cuban-american, his father had nothing to do with it. he may have had legitimate personal reasons. this will probably be some of the most sensitive moments of this convention for the trump campaign and reince priebus, because they are handing 20 minutes of prime time to him and they don't know what he will do. we can share the fact that

reporters often get some information of what will be said in advance, and at this hour, we have not received anything that gives us a sense of what he will say. similarly, marco rubio is addressing this convention by video. we don't know what his speech will say either. >> let's turn our attention to the democrats. ed o'keefe reporting that the u.s. chamber of commerce is endorsing hillary clinton. how significant is that? >> if you follow hispanic politics, it's notable, because this has a group that has been nonpartisan through its history. it endorsed in the primaries, giving clinton the nod and john kasich, saying they would be best positioned to be the best president. this morning, they announced they are endorsing clinton over trump. why that's notable, it's a large business lobby. s no secret that corporate

leaders are more likely to be staunch republicans. but given what trump has done regarding immigration, regarding whether or not muslims should be allowed into the country, what he said about the trade deals that are being negotiated or on the docket, all of that gives them reason to go with clinton, who they believe would be a stronger leader, who would look out for their interests. it's another feather in her cap as she has to philadelphia next week. it's one thing to win the support of hispanics, it's another to win hispanic business leaders and large corporations. it's an organization that has been hoping, especially next year, to play a role in it comes to immigration reform, to tax reform, maybe even energy reform. >> joining us live on the phone is the chair of the democratic national committee, debbie wasserman schultz. thank you for being with us. >> you're welcome, steve, my pleasure. >> how much of this convention

so far have you been watching here in cleveland? >> well, i think quite a bit of it. enough to see how divisive and feminist the rhetoric has been -- divisive and venomous the rhetoric has been. enough to see how uncomfortable speaker ryan was, so much so that he was really unable to wholeheartedly embrace or support donald trump, or even speak his name more than twice during his remarks. you can see throughout the whole tenor of the convention that they are really training all of their messaging against hillary clinton, and really doing nothing to lay out their own vision. was the theme of make america work again, and they laid absolutely no policy out on how they would create jobs or anything to continue to move the economy forward.

that will be in stark contrast to what we see in philadelphia. which is where i want to on.ow up as they have been talking about, are you tweaking, changing, taking a second look at how it will unfold in philadelphia? >> no, we have been preparing all along to layout hillary clinton and the democrats' vision for how we can move our economy forward, to build on the economic progress we have been able to make under barack obama. we came out of the worst economic crisis since the great depression, caused by republican economic policy focused on taking care of people at the very top at the expense of the middle class. but we made progress, need to help people feel that they are on more firm ground, to make sure the economy works for everyone. that is the theme you will see running through the convention. you will hear our speakers, a diverse array of our party

leaders and activists, talk about and explore the virtues of hillary clinton and what a fantastic president she will make. but also very clearly lay out the policies and division of the democratic party. that is not what's going on -- and by the way, our hall will be full, unlike the republican convention in which they struggle to fill the seats, because donald trump is so toxic. >> will senator bernie sanders have a primetime slot next week? >> yes. sen. sanders: be speaking on monday evening, i believe in prime time. absolutely, he will help kick off the convention. >> and finally, let me ask you about your home state of florida. hillary clinton is going to be in florida on friday. there is speculation that her running mate will be announced either friday or saturday. any insight into the timeline? >> we are thrilled that secretary clinton will be coming

to florida on friday and saturday. to come to orlando and south florida as well. the final stages of making a decision about who her vice president will be, and i don't think there has been any decision about where that will it's certainlyi going to be in dramatic contrast to the ambivalence and buyers remorse donald trump appears to have. she'll be announcing it in more than just -- >> debbie wasserman schultz, you have a busy couple days. we will see you next week. thank you for your time. ed o'keefe, let me turn back to you. some potential news on hillary clinton's running mate -- what can you tell us? >> we know she is nearing a decision, based on our reporting, the two top finalists are tim kaine and tom ville sack.

others include tom perez and a handful of others, trying to guess this stuff in the final hours of the decision-making is exciting for political reporters, based sometimes on facts, but often hanging on gossip and tea leaves and other such things. kaine has been in the mix most consistently. if you want to read some tea leaves, it's notable that the white house press secretary went out of his way to praise him, pointing out that he was one of obama's guys, in his orbit despite not being in the cabinet. it's true politically that he was one of the first to endorse him, and is known to be close both politically and personally. there, bute fondness based on reporting, the president is believed to have been worrying and pretty regularly with -- been weighing

in pretty regularly with clinton. but we know she will campaign saturday, and it could be then. i would suspect that we might hear about this as early as thursday night, depending on how things go here. john mccain did that to barack obama in 2008, and that romney did it in advance of his convention, because we already knew the president was going to be the nominee. we will see how she handles it, extentwill see to what the running mate does anything, because she is still underwater on most measures and the race remains pretty tight. >> at o'keefe, give us a sense of what you have been seeing, who you have been talking to, and what your overall observations are as we move into day three of the convention. where the republican party is, where the trump campaign is, and how it will move in the final two days. >> the trump campaign is devoted

to telling the story of the candidate through the eyes his children and wife, and there is no debate that they have done an exceptional job of telling their father and husband's story. there has been controversy about mrs. trump's speech, but she was great on delivery and presentation, and how it was received, a+ by all means. i think the party is hopeful that trump can knock off mrs. clinton in november. they are certainly united behind that common purpose, and i think you have seen that in the intensity of the rhetoric and the response of the crowd on the floor. we will see how they receive hands and trump tomorrow. this is a that different convention from the past based on the response thus far. we haven't heard from the principles. 50% of the convention yet to come, perceptions can change pretty quickly. it's likely they will do that in

the coming hours and days. i just think it remains to be seen what the nation overall makes of this presentation. we probably will have to wait for another two weeks, because we have to clear the democratic convention. but again, attempts have been made to tell the story, and that seems to be going well. it has been motivating the base, reminding them that they have to remain focused on defeating clinton, and if you were to talk to any signal delegate, they would agree it has to be done. i will say this, too. you find a lot of loyal trump supporters who have been with him from the start. i spoke with some women on monday night who said they had tried at one time to get him to run for governor, but because they weren't able to do that, they were happy to see him run for president and are ecstatic to see him on the verge of doing this. is downyork delegation front and center, something they weren't anticipating a year ago.

>> they do have good real estate. let me conclude of perception. cbs had a photograph of the quicken loans arena last night, and compared it to previous conventions when the arena was full. should we look anything into that? >> no, i think that was a bit ofant britis context. obviously, circumstances are different, the attitude was different, but it is one way of night, itthat last was emptier than it has been in the past. 50% of this convention remains. that could change. the trump campaign will try to do something about it. of the fact remains, dozens houses and senate lawmakers aren't here, at least a dozen prominent republican governors

aren't here, lobbying and trade associations aren't here, corporations didn't give money the way they have in the past. that's fact. that means the crowd a smaller, reaction hasn't been as strong. two nights to go. >> at o'keefe, part of the team of reporters at "the washington post," thank you for joining us. we will follow your work online. we go back to the floor, where susan swain is at the moment. >> -- the alabama delegation. i will introduce you to alabama secretary of state john barrow, attending his very first convention. what are your impressions? >> it has been outstanding. this has been a very exciting time for cindy and me as we came to experience this first convention, to see all the excitement and enthusiasm that exists all across the city, to see how well the law enforcement professionals have protected people, to see how things have been so under control, of the

convention has gone off without a hitch has been outstanding. >> were you an early trumps supporter? >> no, ma' i was a nonbelieveram,. i was one of those people who didn't think he would last through the primary, but he continued to gain momentum, and people responded, and you can see by looking around tonight how enthusiastic people are to support his candidacy. >> do you think about his vice presidential -- >> i think governor pence is an outstanding choice. he was not a choice many were expecting, but i think his service in the u.s. congress, his service as the governor of the great state of indiana, he has this thing wished himself clearly as a conservative leader, one who is well spoken, one who is very dynamic, one who will make a positive impact in difference for our country. >> alabama has some pretty good real estate in this hall. is that owing to his relationship with your senator? >> no doubt about it. senator jeff sessions is one of the most outstanding members of

the senate and one of the most conservative leaders in our nation, and because of his early support for mr. trump and's early endorsement, i think we were rewarded by our location here, and sen. sessions: nomination last night and did an outstanding job. >> if this ticket is successful, what role would you envision for senator sessions, and what does it mean for the state of alabama? >> i am confident that if he wants senator sessions to serve in his cabinet, that he will give a consideration. i'm confident that he wants to serve in the cabinet, that he will give him every consideration. i think that senator sessions would be an outstanding member of the cabinet, because he could fill many, many roles and too many, many things because of his skill and ability. >> let me ask one policy question. this country has some very tense racial relations right now, and with alabama, a long history of

civil rights -- as the statewide elected official, what are your concerns about people in leadership roles seeking office and teir role in calming what's going on? >> i think it's our responsibility to invest in each other's lives because we inhabit the planet and breathe the same air and all mortal and we need to be committed to improving the lives of each other as well as those who will follow us. you aren't going to see a tree but leave the shade for someone else. what we need to do is understand we are all different and have different goals, different ambitions but we need to solve common problems and that's what we're all about. m reminded of a quote from former new york congressman jack kemp and he said the art of

politics and purpose of politics is not to defeat your opponent as it is to provide better ideas than the opposition. we need more of that today and i think mr. trump will do when he becomes president and bring us together so we can solve those problems. >> back to the last question, first time, what's the one impression of being in this hall that you will tell people? >> the enthusiasm and energy by being here you can only fully appreciate it if you have the privilege and it has been an honor to attend this convention. >> john merrill, thanks for talking to c-span. >> susan and those who are interested the balloon drop will happen tomorrow and have been hoisted and you will see it as a

party tradition. checking in with jennifer, six months ago we talked to her at bloomberg news and joining us. thanks for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> so much has changed over the last six months. let me begin with some of your reporting about some potential infighting within the trump trump had a eric few words to say about corey? >> there was a wall street breakfast and donald trump paul was a guest and how man for the, the campaign number one should be fired if paul was the one who had approved that plagiarism in me lana's speech

and donald trum junior said i'm trying him to make trouble and he said enough is enough. corey has been a good strong advocate for this campaign but can't be an ally when you are back stabbing our chief strategist. he said, i can understand they might be bitter, but he was still addressing, stop whispering and stom pretending that you have inside information. there are strong words from donald trump junior about this former trump staffer. nomination,ured the and more importantly preparing for the fall campaign? >> i think the whole campaign was surprised they got this far.

i think they were not expecting to get here. no one expected last night to have "new york, new york" be playing and they were worried about winning the primary and so many competitors. i was talking to the staff and said are you planning for this and are you organized? and we did learn today and it sounds like they found one superpac that is going to get the blessing of the superpac. there was a big meeting. and paul went in with a bunch of donors. there has been some confusion. and donald trump has ridiculed his opponents for using a superpac and said i'm well

enough to fund my own campaign and superpacs and no one knew which was the real one and sounds like today they have narrowed it down to one superpac. so things are starting to come together. but it was late in the game for just about everything. >> talk about tonight. the speakers and what we'll hear from governor pence and senator ted cruz. let's talk about iowa and tom vilsack and his name has been mentioned as a potential running mate. >> that is very serious and people in the know in iowa and think that is very serious. the democrats said he is a two-term senator and agriculture senator and/or fan, adopted and he is from pennsylvania and

another state tharl hillary clinton would like to win and he has got some real assets. there are plenty of arguments for tom vilsack. i think the people of iowa would love that but they are bracing for disappointment again. >> does that put iowa in play. some polls show hillary clinton is up and polls showing donald trump. >> iowa is a swing state and went for barack obama the last two cycles and definitely a state that both of these candidate need to win and having someone from iowa would help her ticket. >> i want to ask you about 2020. in terms of iowa's rolls, whether iowa should be first. there likely will be discussion about that at the democratic

rules committee next week, how serious is that? >> everything i have heard from the republicans on the rules committee, everything is fine. it does sound like iowa is fine. i haven't heard that anyone will lose the carveout status. >> senator ted cruz, governor mike pence among the speakers, newt gingrich, what are you looking for? >> i was at ted cruz's event and held a thank you party and it was packed with people very enthusiastic. interesting moment. ted cruz was acknowledging that there is a nominee and it's not him and about to change the subject and then donald trump's jet flew behind the stage and through the sky and the whole audience was booing. and his knack of stepping on his rifles and amazing sense of

timing but ted cruz went on to talk about his campaign. it was very graceful and talking about how many volunteers, 0,000 volunteers and winning delegates. i did ask some of his aides if that speech today was a test, did he test drive some of the lines he will use tonight. he ad-libbed the entire speech. and the speech is nothing similar to that. but i went out in the audience do you think cruz will endorse and said yeah. there is a rumor. and i asked people how do you feel about that. they booed at the trump plane and they said, we are sad, we love ted cruz and we have to move on. and one person said ted cruz is

my guy. i haven't bought a ted trump tee-shirt yet. >> stay with us. we'll go back to the floor and susan has found a cruz delegate. >> i'm at the texas delegation and i want to introduce our . dience to a texas delegate so let me ask you about ted cruz tonight, what do you want him to say to this group? >> he needs to come out and enthuse the base. we go home and get people elected. he needs to do his job and get us excited. >> does he say i endorse him? >> i wouldn't think of putting ords into the senator from

texas. >> how does he put this behind him. >> i have won two campaigns and first thing you do when you lose a campaign, you call the guy and say congratulations. he is from texas and will do the right thing. >> do you want him to campaign with mr. trump? >> i don't know donald trump wants him campaigning for him. and mr. cruz has some business he needs to take care of in the senate. >> and wondering about texas' location. you are in the back of the convention hall. any symbolism involved with that selection? >> it's easier to get to, close to the stairs and facilities to. once in a while, some of these guys with the media outlets crowd in on us. >> this is your second republican convention.

what is the tone and tenor of this one chaired to 2012. >> there was much more apprehension because of the bad behavior that some people have been having towards our police officers. we have great concern towards our police officers. they are the front line between us and want to hurt us and want to break laws. and when you consider dallas and baton, that added apprehension. and there is an experience going into florida. we were driving into a hurricane and we were driving into a different kind of hurricane. but the police have done a fabulous drive and secret service have been doing a great job. >> it was a bit of a bumpy start and the melania story and now on day three and will be hearing from mike pence and tomorrow

donald trump, what do these two men have to convince this audience? >> as far as the elected delegates, we understand how this works. we have been -- most of the people in this room have been in the political process for years. you come in first, you win. come in second, you didn't quite win. you came on board, you go home and work for him. general public, this is the only chance these gentlemen get to have uninterrupted, unfiltered access to the american public. this is the one chance and just like the trump children, they got 7-10 minutes a piece without comments and editing and other things that media tends to do. this is their chance to talk to america. > you say mr. trump has gotten

unfiltered access to the american public? >> all the candidates have had good live coverage but his family hasn't but governor pence hasn't. mr. trump, yes, he has had some unfilth erled access, in the game. that make sense? >> are you enthusiastic he about his chances in november? >> i'm enthusiastic. when i get home, we will go to work and i will be back in ohio knocking on doors and i need you to vote for donald trump. >> member of the texas delegation. >> i appreciate your time.

>> susan was talking to the texas delegation and mcifere who was the speech writer. >> she asked me lana, tell me what you are thinking and melania said michelle obama is someone i admire and apparently rattled some h off some of these lines and this speech writer wrote this stuff down and incorporated it into the speech and said she didn't go back to check if they were the exact words and apologized and said

she tried to resign and was turned down. it sounds like there is someone who has fallen on their sword for this. so the blame is off of paul and everyone emmings. we have been hearing whispers, who is to blame for this and there was an outside speech writing firm, was it melania and the campaign was researching and sounds like this woman is saying she is the one. and never double checked michelle obama's words. >> why not get that story out yesterday before the campaign issued this statement? >> they kept denying it. their first reaction, they put up the initial statement saying melania is a non-nat i have

english speaker and then paul said the press is wildly exaggerating this and it was a couple of phrases. donald trump was silent. it is surprising, if this was the problem why they didn't come out with it sooner. they were looking and trying to figure out where in went wrong and sounds like they got toe the bottom of it. >> melania trump was not with donald trump and he was meeting across the was river in new jersey. is it a scheduling issue? >> i know that are pence was revealed as the running mate and had the first public appear answer and was with her son and

they like to get out of the city and spend time together. we were asking questions about that. how come mrs. trump wasn't here. and we were told, her husband is a public person and she is a private person and likes to keep the private time to herself. >> talk about the speech from donald trump junior. i vampinga trump tomorrow. all the familiarly has a prominent role. >> will it appeal to independent voters. donald trump junior's speech was interesting and he got more and more amped out and intoxicated by the crowd and the excitement and delivered a very political speech. o and tiffany trump seemed reserved but composed and was

ready to get off the stage but told sweet stories where donald trump junior was hammering on political issues and at the wall street journal breakfast, they asked him if he would consider running for public office. he said five children. maybe when the kids are out of school. it is something i would like to speak about. and i was talking to some of his riend and they said, he is focused about electing his father. you lieve me when i say, will see donald trump junior running for some public office. >> pretty sharp words from rmer new york mayor rudy giuliani and governor christie.

my question is, is this party doing enough to convince the quing voters to vote for donald trump. are they giving voters a reason to say here's what we will do? >> there are so many speakers and dishing up interesting conservative rhetoric that is well met from this audience but dishing up an argument. i haven't heard much of it. donald trump wanted to bring in these superhire oost and those people, independents would have tuned in to see. he got scott baio and the woman om "the young and the rest less." and i'm not sure the lineup of politicians is that.

19 million viewers did watch the convention last night, which is less than some of the debates that donald trump. 19 million viewers, the polling will be interesting after this.

>> vment biden will be among the speakers and senator bernie sanders will have a prime time splot. >> they are playing to get the viewers in that will make the case to absolutely settle the matter, whether donald trump is too dangerous. they want the case a they do hope to get in some of the independent people and see if they have success in luring in the voters. we'll have to see. this is a very unusual convention for the g.o.p. and see if the democrats are more traditional or spice things up as well. jennifer jacobs, formerly with "the "des moines

register"." thanks as always for your time. we appreciate it. as we look around the arena, a lot to see inside and across the reet and media row where new media tell their story and here's what we found earlier today. >> one of the many booths situated along media row is 2016 graduate gses.com and of syracuse university, how did it come about? >> we have a lot of people talking about the election and interviewed about how they feel the election but their names are attached to it. and not sharing their true feelings. i would like to know their feelings about the candidates. >> everything from i'm enjoying this to a circus to this is

nutso. >> people said they wanted to separate from their significant. people cried when jeb bush dropped out and holding out for 2020. a lot of people say they don't support trump and they are sad because they are republicans. >> how do you aggregate these thoughts and ideas? > they can through text, phone or texan we are going through all of them and we have gotten over 630,000 submissions. > the website is electionconfessions.com. did you say you want to do this? >> i was in a coffee shop in new york city saying and they don't know what they are thinking about the election and upset

with the candidates and someone said i like his policy and i don't want to share on social media and people don't want to share. and this is a space where people can share how they feel about the election. >> tell me what you think has been so far among the most interesting confessions. the most interestingr one wrote in they are part of his taff and not voting for trump. people are saying i wished i worked hard for jeb. and people here who said there are escorts at the r.n.c. and that's the only reason they have come. >> if they want to do something video, how do they remain

anonymous? we videotape them to remain anonymous. we have video in backgrounds and we have it. >> where do you think this is going to lead for you personally? >> i'm a digital editor for nbc news and i'm trying to get people to share what they feel about the election. this is ae topics and difference and how people are feeling about the election and their true thoughts. >> it turned into reality, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> a parking garage that is now media row.

back live inside the quicken loans arena. the gavel coming down in about an hour. half hour. a florida attorney germ will be among the speakers and hear from scott walker of wisconsin.

every 're here to find sign and button and hat and everything that will for all times show what this convention was and the personal relationships. >> you are walking around with these big portfolios. are you saying can i have that?

>> the bumper stickers, all these wonderful ways that people still have of identifying with their candidates and proclaiming for everyone to see their

allegiance to a candidate. anything that you can specifically wear and hold that will proclaim without words your allegiance to your beliefs are the things that remain and tv has become a part of it. >> we have noticed the funny hats this year and people aren't wearing metal opinions. are you finding the same thing? >> people from different delegation gave me a opinion they are wearing. and people can't give you the hat. we need a lot of business cards. it's like in christmas. hats arrive in the mail. >> what happens after they get to the smithsonian. you can't display all of this? >> we catalog them and goes back george washington and

researchers come to study them and understand it is part of the american culture. what's left over. letters and diaries. that's what we are preserving here. >> this is night three. what have you seen that you said i'm so glad i seen this? >> hard hats from west virginia supporting coal and environmental and energy concerns in 2016, pro-and anti-trump objects and showing the debate over the candidates this year. >> what's your favorite ack which situation so far? >> i love the personal things that the delegates have but the signs that come out each year for everybody to use that states the candidate's inat the present time and the platform goals, the messaging goals, i love. >> when peop