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democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. a special line open for virginia residents, (202) 748-8003. you can find us on social media. .ur twitter handle is @cspanwj we will bring you live to miami and that is where hillary will beand tim kaine appearing for the first time as running mates. here is some information about -- for you about tim kaine. he is 58 years old. since been a senator 2013. virginiavernor of between 2006 and 2010.

he was mayor of richmond before that. hillary clinton has picked tim kaine as her running mate, --ing the democratic ticket he is fluent in spanish and -- key states. he will be the first vice president from virginia since john tyler, who held the office for a month in 1841. he has never lost an election. he could help clinton take virginia's 13 electoral votes off the board. he could help clinton with hispanic voters in other swing states, such as florida.

for more information, we will talk to one of the authors of this story. morning, jim nolan. has a long history in virginia politics. what can you tell us about him. one thing i think is significant is that he has been in government service from the ground up. he is not someone who ran for a --. office and is seeking he started out as a civil councilman. he is fluent in spanish. he was elected by the council to be mayor. he stepped in and became mark

warner's number two. that it.'s is helpful and probably assuring to a lot of people around the clinton campaign. senator kaine knows how to serve nba cooperative partner and certainly, four years with mark warner, the senior citizen from -- the senior senator from virginia. government experience is key for taine. -- for kaine. he solidifies a virginia for democrats. democrats have an advantage there. ofry mcauliffe, perhaps one hillary clinton's closest allies running the state. polls show-- most the clinton candidacy well ahead in virginia, which is an important state.

it is not crucial to the map.ratic adding tim kaine to this will help democrats in november capture those 13 electoral votes. about his do we know policy positions? how closely aligned with hillary clinton has he been in the past? has progressive values, but he is more moderate in other areas. he was close with barack obama. towas probably the runner up joe biden to be the president's running mate eight years ago. obama been a partner with on a number of issues, however he has disagreed on a number of issues, such as the authorization of war.

in terms of social issues, he is personally opposed to abortion, but he has never done anything legislatively to weaken those laws. he has worked to strengthen women's rights in those areas. he is opposed to the death penalty. he is a practicing catholic. stopver did anything to executions that were being lawful under the state law. he is somewhat moderate politically in that respect. he does have certain values. he may not be the ideal choice for the sanders-warren followers, but he has the andity to be apolitical policy partner with secretary clinton. not be progressive

enough for their tastes. do you think the positions on trade, in particular, and some of his feelings towards regulation of wall street, how will that play with former bernie sanders supporters? you have to look at it in context. there was probably a political calculation that said sanders runorters are not going to to the campaign of donald trump and mike pence. this was a safe pick for secretary clinton. she is not taking a lot of .hances by choosing him you could say that reflects her feeling that she has a comfortable hold on the race as it stands. senator kaine is not afraid to speak his mind and i am sure some of those issues will come up.

that thee concerned campaign would not be a departure of support from progressive. doneor sanders has something senator cruz did not do for mr. trump. already endorsed hillary clinton. you might find a greater deal of hope the clinton ticket will unite around her. the issue with the progressives in for genia and elsewhere in the core obama voters is -- do they turn out? in virginia, demographics lead toward democratic advantage if turnout measures up against the whenlicans the way it did president obama ran in 2008, 2012.

is it too early to start speculating how his seat might be filled? guest: they are already speculating. is always an election in virginia. we are one of the few states that has statewide elections. the key to power in the state. with senator kaine, selection is sure to be clinton-kane. there will be a special election a year later to fill the seats. terry mcauliffe gets the chance to appoint someone to fill that term. electionl be a special 98 2017.

in 2017.on prior to his selection, probably was thetest concern ability of democrats to hold that seat in virginia. future ifo any of a elected. virginia, which has always been andugh race for democrats republicans could be a critical battleground. republicans have a lot of potentially good candidates to

challenge in that area. came within a close margin, defeating senator mark warner recently. he is believed to be a front-runner for the republican governorship nomination in 2017, he could emerge. could emerge as a potential senator challenger. it is a relevant question future, whether the seat is held by democrats or republicans is going to be a big factor. democrats are concerned about holding on to that seat. choices, of the other at least she has the comfort of senator runicking a

by a democratic governor, the interim appointment to the seat will be a democrat. host: thank you for joining us this morning. guest: thank you. host: we want to bring you updates on the shootings in munich. here is the latest from the bbc. the gunman was obsessed with mass shootings. he killed nine people in munich. to theno known links islamic state group according to german police. found newspaper clippings on attacks, including an article entitled why do students kill? he had a nine millimeter glock pistol and 300 bullets. police are investigating whether he may have learned his victims through a facebook invitation to a restaurant.

police said there was a link the latest news on the shootings i name unit, the gunman was obsessed with mass shootings. here is some reaction. another attack in germany. god bless the people of munich. hillary clinton tweeted this statement. we stand with our friends in germany as they work to bring those responsible to justice. and we are talking about hillary clinton's pick of tim kaine to be her running mate. let's turn to the lines. barry, pennsylvania, calling on

the democratic line. go ahead. caller: thank you, c-span. i love you guys. i have been a long time fan. i wish people would quit watching msnbc and fox. please don't cut me off. hasnew vice president pick no influence on me. bill clinton, i did not like the nafta thing. i was not included in the polls. everybody voted another way. with bernie sanders, it is millennials.

i was a little discouraged with elizabeth warren because she jumped on hillary's bandwagon. she may be does something with bernie, it is up in the air when i am going to do in november. i don't know if i'm going to vote bernie and, look for the green party. i don't like the republican in there now. i am not happy and i don't know what i'm going to do. next caller comes from grand forks, north dakota. is as a republican -- jim republican. this pic was interesting. the democrats -- he is a little boring. -- i think mike

pence is a little boring. the only thing that bothers me is the obsession i hear this morning. guy speaks spanish better than ted cruz. that is a line from fox news. might have picked a hispanic. george bush spoke spanish, too. what i don't understand is the permanent nation within a nation, which is going to be that you and it of us. if it were 100 years ago and we this million germans in country who were unassimilated and we had people saying we better speak german, reach out for the germans, make sure we get this german block or italian block in philadelphia.

there was a time when there was a german voting block. .hey were called lincoln men they were pro-union in the midwest. the german language newspapers did not last for ever. they assimilated. they rejected linguistic separatism. so did the italians and the hungarians and ukrainians. why are we accepting the permanent ascendancy of spanish-speaking people and the permanent ascendancy of a nation within the nation. it will be the end of us. at least donald trump does not obsess over that. he talks about us first. fall intodoes not that was spanish-language ads. host: jerry is up next.

good morning to you. caller: good morning. disappointed in tim kaine. i was a bernie sanders supporter. about the fact she did not go more progressive to show support of bernie sanders. thing, the leaks from wikileaks about how the democrat party got together against bernie sanders, which shows just how corrupt the democrat party is. i am very disappointed. i will vote donald trump this year. here is a story from the washington post. tim kaine vp pick greeted by blowback from progressive

groups. before he was unveiled as the running mate, liberal groups were keyed up to criticize. tim kaine's boosters say he is far more progressive than many realize. his liberaltioned bona fides, pointing to support of trade deals and regulations of -- regulations favorable to big banks. we will turn to a jamestown, north carolina. jill is on the democratic line. good morning. it is gil. i thank you for your unbiased

program. i think secretary clinton's tim kaine is a wise choice. supporters of bernie sanders, to assuage them, her second wisest decision, if she followed the , ass of doris goodwin president obama did, her second wisest thing she could do would to have senator sanders as part of her cabinet. i would like to see him as secretary of treasury and if not see senatorve to bernie sanders as chairman of the securities and exchange commission. thereby, he would give wall street concern and as a person with calcium in his backbone, certainly something for wall street to consider in terms of

making changes so wall street impact main street. that is my comment. steve is up next from gainesville, florida, on the independent line. president obama's comment about the world seeing a safer place is ludicrous. he must be living on another planet. i am amazed the democrats are talking about the 'som and gloom of donald trump speech, when they are the party always talking about the next catastrophe and creating a government agency to control it. next, phoenix, arizona. brian is on the demo erratic line.

i am a lifelong democrat. seeing what hillary did last night, picking tim kaine, i am ashamed to be a democrat. we are a nation under attack from white supremacy. male, ito pick a white disgusts me. ashamed to be democrat. i will be writing in bernie. next caller is also from arizona, from tucson. tom, go ahead. goodr: tim kaine is so that hillary has to be very judicious how you use him he overshadowed hillary because he is that good. tom, on the independent

line from arizona. we are taking your calls this morning. what do you think of hillary clinton'sk pick of -- pick for vice president. if you live in virginia, we want to hear from you. we have a special line. .202) 748-8003 you can send us your thoughts over social media. own steve scully interview tim kaine last month. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> i have a good platform now. i like my job. i am a happy senator.

i am doing a ton of work for hillary to get her elected. i think she is going to be a superb resident -- superb president. in some ways, i think the choice poised for the nation in 2016 is 2008.r than if president obama had lost to senator kaine, it would -- senator mccain, it would have in thefundamental change country. should we take the virginia value of freedom of religious worship and turn it on its head and punish people because they are muslims? tould we use a tar brush paint everybody from a recent immigrant to a federal judge as

negative. these are challenging issues. i am going to do all i can to help secretary clinton win. travel far from home. virginia is a battleground state. we have the feeling now, if we take care of business at home, we have an ability to play a role in who the next president will be. >> if she said i will run with you, what would you tell her? >> i really like my job and i want to stay. i can help her win. she has a lot of direction she can go. is going to choose a person who is best suited to help her government and win. was vetted for this spot back

in 2008. but my being mentioned, gut said i don't think it will ever be me. host: what do you think of hillary clinton's choice of tim kaine as her running mate. ruth is calling now. go ahead. caller: i think she made a wise choice. i am african american. i am calling on the independent line. i am a registered democrat, but i think i will be changing my registration. i voted for bernie sanders. i like what he says. wholehearted clinton supporter. i want to make this, to those of frustration

and anger or disappointment. or did not select a latino cory booker. i was happy to see cory booker in the mix. and willlot to offer be going on offering it. we have to get out of this ethnic politics thing. to the man whond spoke about the language and his ancestors being german and how they have fused into the country. we need to listen more to one another. i appreciate you c-span. it is good to see a new face here this morning. free speech tv. we have to give up what we want

to see happen and trust the person who is out there in front making that decision. i have some serious issues with hillary clinton -- with hillary. i know what the challenges are. i don't believe it will be a big difference with who wins it. you said you plan to change your registration. who do you plan to support? do you plan to move to the republican party? not.r: of course i will not be moving to the republican party. i am engaged in registering motors -- registering voters to get the votes out. here is outthey run in wilmington. there are six days of early voting. i am committed to getting voters to the poll.

i am not going to vote -- ilican and i have toyed will probably vote for the democratic party. i would like to see more organizing where we are not so booked into two parties. idea ofoyed with the voting for the green party. i am not sure this is the place i would want to do that with the republican choice being donald trump. our next caller, waynesboro, virginia. what do you think of tim kaine as a senator and governor? caller: i think he is a wonderful choice. she is intelligent and made one of the best choices in the world.

as a virginian, i am proud because of our history with the founding fathers. that we are going to have the first woman, as a man, i am excited about that. the next caller, randy, from williamsburg. what do you make of this? i have a long history with mr. kane from councilmember , mayor, lieutenant governor and governor. it is about small business as a developer in richmond, virginia. on numerous occasions, he sided with the government rather than me. i put all of my ducks in a row routinely. recently, i am in the children's health and wellness business. wife at the virginia

department of education past was pattinge she everybody on the back. there were 50,000 more children in a state of virginia that needed the meals program. that is a challenge for me. kane is not unlike most of the politicians to come out of richmond,. they have either been convicted or under suspicion of wrongdoing. is aifts and all of that challenge for me. to like tim kaine, and i tried for 20 some idea's. to invest intried poor communities, or tried to help the poor communities, he has never been on my side.

my side is reducing cost and improving service. i don't think he will add much to the nation. a little more background on one issue he brought up. here is a story from politico. tim kaine excepted close and a vacation as gifts. he took it manage of the state's lacks gift laws to receive a caribbean vacation, clothing, and a trip to watch george mason university play in the ncaa basketball final four during his years as lieutenant governor and governor. he reported more than $160,000 in gifts from 2001 to 2009. the givers included political supporters, a drug company that bought a facility in virginia, and the minion.

while legal under virginia's permissive ethic rules, the gifts could become attack ad fodder. republicans could use the records for portraying tim kaine as part of the self dealing establishment in a cycle animated by hostility toward the political class. isabella, good morning. caller: i heard the russians debbiecked e-mails and has been exposed for ridiculing my candidate, bernie sanders. that is a game changer. i am not going to be voting for hillary clinton. more aboute to hear the third-party candidates, joel stein and gary johnson. think all of the channels,

including c-span, oh it to the american people to tell us about the people on the ballot. trump and ifald that guy can clean up his act and be a little less of a showman and more of a serious politician, i think he will draw a lot of disaffected democrats. supportet the party i all my life has turned out to be such a corrupt institution. debbie wasserman schultz has to go. i am very close to leaving the democratic party forever over this. it is outrageous. have you done any coverage of this e-mail exposure? have not read those articles on air yet today.

that is isabella from massachusetts. the next caller is deborah from virginia. go ahead. caller: i am happy i got through. i am originally from connecticut and i moved to virginia 11 years when tim kaine was running for governor. i worked on his campaign, thinking he would be our presidential nominee right now. finding, instead, i was angry he was not running. doing --at are you waiting until you get to roma -- to retirement age before you run for president? a wise choice. he is a conservative catholic.

i think he will may be draw some more conservative people, and he honest man. i will not be voting for hillary, ever. vote for stein at this point. host: who do you think he will vote for? caller: jill stein. i am not going to vote for hillary. angry at tim kaine. i expected he was going to be our nominee and he is not. are they waiting until they hit retirement age before they grace us with their presence? mentioned tim kaine and's conservative catholicism. ine is an interview he did which he talks about his view of religion. [video clip]

for spiritual do reasons. everybody has motivations in life. whatever i am doing, i have an inner dialogue going that is a spiritual dialogue. what is the significance of a vote that i am taking? i am always thinking about the momentary reality, but the way the bigger with matters of what is important in life. i tried to approach my job that way. up front with people about it. not because i want anybody else to be me. i feel like sharing my motivation with others is a good thing. is how i can learn and get .o be better

use,e a spiritual phrase i that was written by george fox. conveys as, it spiritual philosophy for me. walk cheerfully over the earth. thoughts and and. walk, move, be active, cheerfully. over the earth, get outside of your neighborhood, go abroad and go to new places. you cannot answer if you do not listen. there is a divine spark in each person. tot is my discipline i try use in what i do as a person and a public official. kaine will appear with hillary in miami. -- they will campaign

together at noon eastern. we will also be in philadelphia for the democratic national convention on sunday. you can see the behind the scenes look at the set as we get ready for that convention. journal" will be coming from philadelphia tomorrow morning. we are talking about hillary clinton's pick of tim kaine as her running mate. our next caller is calling on the democratic line. good morning. let me start off by saying we don't just like tim, we love him. with -- as a member of city council, he did wonderful things for minorities in richmond, from reforming the housing projects to reforming the police department.

he was able to get the school system up to a point of satisfaction and improvement. as governor, he worked towards developing community colleges. he was instrumental in getting transportation methods for northern virginia in place. isis not the best, but it better than what we had before. a politician, and an equal partner in make the commonwealth of virginia better. the --sappointed one of that booker wasn't selected for but now that tim is going to be vice president, i am willing to start working on hillary's campaign. i want the world to know that we have to win in november.

we cannot afford to allow bigotry and distractive comments of donald trump and his minions to take our country back to a period that is not beneficial for the rest of us. i say rest of us meaning the nonminority community. up, tennis, pennsylvania. go ahead. kenneth, go ahead. i am glad they made this choice as vice president. he is part of the establishment. countryeverything the is going against right now. is what the sanders people have been going against.

i was initially, before the ofmaries began, a supporter crewuz. -- i like what donald trump says and everything, the question is, can he deliver on it? it remains to be seen if abouting can be done immigration and safety.

a lot of the people i know are in the same situation. not even middle last high low class. these are the things we want to hear. safety for our families and stuff. here is donald trump's reaction to hillary clinton's pick. donald trump's campaign wasted little time depicting hillary clinton's running mate as a continuation of the corrupt system. kaine is hillary's vp pick, the ultimate insider. don't let over have a third term. contribute.

trumpweet, donald attacked kane as corrupt. he was described as an ethically challenged insider. hillaryly fitting clinton would pick tim kaine, who has personally benefited from a rigged system. we want to hear from you. what do you think of hillary clinton's selection of tim kaine as her vice presidential pick. alicia, alberta, virginia. caller: i would like to follow up on the thing you read about tim kaine being ethically challenged, as is hillary clinton. to takeurge all viewers the time to go see the new movie

-- hillary's america. my husband and i saw yesterday. it is excellent. it reveals the truth about the democratic party. i encourage everyone, democrat or republican, to go see the movie. what did you think of tim kaine as a governor and a senator? rural, alberta is in a poor county. when tim kaine was running for president, he visited one of our deteriorating elementary schools, where i work. potted plants rented and the local funeral home there was some sprucing up for his visit. left,e, he visited, he

and we never heard from him again. he is another democratic politician. 99%school system is african-american. our drinking water has led in it. poor.hool system is very disciplineany problems and a school that has not been resolved. the local government is democratic, as you would expect. respect for tim hillaryd i abhor clinton. i was a democrat for many years. i became independent. i am almost 70 years old. i will vote for donald trump in

november. next caller is from dumb freeze, virginia. angela, what do you inc.? caller: thank you for taking my call. every time somebody gives the -- they called him a racist. donald trump has been around for 30 years. hillary was at his wedding. a lot of democrats got money for him. now, he is a big it? she picked tim kaine because he speaks spanish. it doesn't have anything to do with lack people. they don't have to please black people anymore because they just get their vote. at the cities all over the country, black people suffering.

they don't poll black people on illegal immigration, on gun ,ontrol, second amendment right on what is going on in the world as far as terrorism because they don't matter to democrats. i will be happy when black people decide to try something different, even if it is just , because the democrats spit on black people. here are comments from twitter. john, north carolina, i thought there was no way i would vote for hillary, but now that she has picked kane, i will. finally, the only reason i can see why clinton picked tim kaine is his senate seat is safe cents

a democratic governor will appoint his successor. kathy, what do you think? excited tim kaine was chosen as the vp pick. i am in a progressive area of new hampshire. i voted for sanders myself. hillary was always too hawkish for me. ine'sreciate mr. background. i think he has a really good soul. he seems to be thoughtful, have a good ethical guideline. i like the fact he left harvard law to work in honduras. all of these people calling, in general, there are a lot of people who do not like hillary, i would encourage them to read

the piece on why not to vote for a third party candidate. it will be interesting to see what happens with gary johnson. if people are this passionate about third parties, they should work at the ground level and build parties that way. donald trump terrifies me because of the racism of wanting to ban muslims in this country, with the kkk,ed his attacks of the reporter who was disabled. he terrifies me in terms of what he would do on the international level. in terms of the damage she could do to this country, i am quite happy with her choice of tim kaine.

now i feel better about voting for hillary in the fall. susan, calling from virginia, manassas, virginia. good morning. the woman who called earlier and said she was not going to vote for tim kaine because he did not run for president and she was angry at him and now she is going to vote for stein, that logic makes no sense. a lot of people calling in today are not make sense. caller made perfect sense. tim kaine was a wonderful governor and has been a wonderful senator. been a member of an african-american church in virginia, down in richland, when other people thought that was strange. dodid what he wanted to personally in terms of going to

an african-american church. he is progressive, not as progressive as bernie sanders. he is a smart man. he will help her governor in. i will do everything i can to clinton-kaine leaves our country moving forward. stewart, good morning. i am a tim kaine man. i am a lifelong dem at that. -- lifelong democrat. i have worked the polls, everything. -- is a democratic mecca.

there is a large percentage of democratic vote. tim kainee sure carries all of those votes. he is a great man. outside virginia, he may not have the same recognition. tim kaine is largely unknown to againstn a matchup elizabeth warren, cory booker, sherrod brown tom perez, julian castro. these are the candidates hillary clinton looked at for vice president. be more they would likely to support hillary clinton if she chose tim kaine as her vice presidential running mate.

only 20% said they did not know who she was. saidaine, 27% of voters he was. not know who that is the largest percentage of all the candidates hillary clinton considered. steve, on the republican line. when tim kaine was , the state virginia was so broke they could not keep their rest stops open. you could not stop to get a drank of water, to get anything from the vending machine. she i saw that is who picked, i laughed. if that is who they think is going to begin for this country,

that is amazing. the man cannot even keep a rest stop open. how is he going to run the country? that is steve, from princeton, west virginia. stan, independent line. go ahead. far as the last caller, i and not sure what he meant. a couple of lady callers had the right wing there. too sure, did not know much about him. i appreciate the fact he went down to honduras. there to help people learn spanish. that is cool. one of 20 people who was only had certain political positions.

is a good guy. i think hillary made a good choice. far as donald trump, there is a problem with him. he is still complaining about ted cruz of the convention. go, how canlet it he negotiate? that is what i am wondering about. , hinesville,, mike georgia. caller: is it just me? it amazes me when republicans are in office, how dare you say anything negative about america, even though they come out -- they come at you, you can never say anything about america. when they are out of office, all they do is jump on america. everything is so bad, the

country is going down the tubes. they said obama was going to destroy america, now it is hillary. all the doom and gloom. why do they hate hillary so much? david duke is running for senate. the story reports he has launched a bid in louisiana. he announced this on friday. he says he is running under the slogan of america first. in a video that is played, donald trump has adopted policies he has advocated for and promises to campaign on

similar issues. he said i was the first major candidate to promote the policy he's out tofirst." defend european americans in congress. we have a few more minutes to take your phone calls. what you think of hillary clinton's choice of tim kaine as her running mate? max, good morning. caller: i don't know how anyone could fold -- could vote for hillary. to be behind bars, locked up. there is no way around it. donald trump is a wonderful person and he is not a racist. is todd, ohio.er is too early to make

a decision on whether he is a pick.ick or bad the bulk of the information is being put out to the general public who may not be familiar with them. he speaks spanish fluently. americans speak spanish fluently. the same thing, his position as senator, which is a job he maintained. i tend to like to vote for people who finish the job at hundreds of thousands of people have voted for them to finish before they move on to the next one. it is july. it is too early to talk about whether he is a candidate or not. consider these two libertarians.

let's turn at albuquerque, new mexico. john is on the line. john is a democrat. go ahead. caller: good morning. i want to address some of the so-called democratic friends calling in with a lot of sour grapes about bernie sanders. i supported bernie sanders. he did not make it. then they want to go for a third-party? ralph nader cost us the election in 2000. you will have trump get in there somehow, it's possible. if these people support hillary clinton, who was almost the nominee in 2008 and would have won if obama had not won. propaganda films against hillary, that is not the way to be thinking about this. donald trump will not get the lead out of your water and not do anything with education.

those are my comments and observations. --hink the vice president armor in 2006. maybe he's not the most exciting guy but he seems steadfast, sincere, and his heart is in the right direction. host: john from albuquerque. you have the last word for this portion of our show. we will be repeating this question and talking again about hillary clinton's choice for tim kaine in the last half hour of the show. we will be covering hillary clinton's stops in miami live today at noon. she will be appearing with senator tim kaine for the first time together as running mates. up next we will continue our conversation about the stakes with the political science professor kyle kopko. later on, peter hart will be here to talk about where the presidential race stands.

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tonight at 8:00 eastern, we will take a look back at past democratic national conventions starting with the 1960 convention in los angeles with the democratic party selecting john f. kennedy as their nominee. president kennedy: our concern must be with the future, for the world is changing. the old era is ending. the old ways will not do. >> he went on to become the youngest person elected president. we will feature notable female speakers, including u.s. representative barbara jordan who spoke at the 1976 convention and the work city and became the first african-american woman to be a keynote speaker. barbara jordan: our concept of governing is derived from argue with people. rooted inncept deeply a set of beliefs firmly asked --

etched and the national conscience of all of us. >> than the 1984 convention with former new york congresswoman geraldine ferraro, the first woman to be nominated for vice president a major political inty and in richards, who 1988 was the state treasurer of texas. she spoke at the convention in atlanta that year and became the 45th governor of texas. and the 1992 convention in new york city, with arkansas governor bill clinton accepting his party's domination. name of all: in the those that do the work, pay the taxes, raise the kids and play by the rules, in the name of the hard-working americans who make up our forgotten middle class, i proudly accept your nomination for president of the united states. [cheers] >> past national conventions tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. washington journal continues.

host: our guess now is kyle kopko, the co-author of the book "the bp advantage." -- vp advantage." he joins us from harrisburg, pennsylvania. thank you for being here this morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: you were here to talk about the importance of vice presidential text and 8 -- picks and an election. what you think of tim kaine? does that make sense to you? guest: hillary clinton has said for some time she wanted someone that had a variance -- experience and can relate to foreign-policy issues. tim kaine can certainly step in and be president if there was enough for seen circumstance like the death of president, incapacitation, resignation or impeachment. he has a wealth of political experience. he was the mayor of richmond, the lieutenant governor of richmond, governor of virginia,

chairman of the dnc. definitely has a lot of political experience he can bring to the table. host: there has been a lot of discussion about his potential benefit to her as a running mate and actually winning the white house. virginia being a swing state. he can speak spanish fluently and that might help with the hispanic vote. what has your research found about the influence of vice president of candidates on the actual election? guest: my co-author at the university of dayton and i recently co-authored a book called "the vp advantage" every research whether or not vice presidential running mates help to deliver folks in their home states. we examined whether or not they help deliver votes on the national scale. by and large what we find based upon three different empirical methods that we employ in the box, not relying on just one

method, we find on average vice presidential candidates do not deliver a statistically distinguishable home state advantage. instead what we do find is that a conditional affect where candidates who come from relatively less populous states, smaller states from population, and if those candidates have a wealth of political experience as elected officeholders in those states, that is when you are most likely to observe statistically significant home state advantage. ae question to ask is political institution within a given state. are they so popular they would be able to broadly appeal to everyone throughout the state and win over the hearts and minds and motivate people to vote for a presidential ticket simply because of the vice presidential candidate? that isysis suggests not happen as often as commentators suggest that does. host: we were talking briefly about tim kaine's experience in

virginia. longtime politician there. do you think his candidacy might be the exception to the rule ? guest: it's unlikely given the data. one of the reasons virginia is such a large, diverse state is it is harder to make this kind of connections that you have to make in order to receive a note to world -- an electoral benefit. someone like joe biden or edmund muskie or vice presidential candidates they received pretty large home state advantages. a state like delaware is fairly small, only three counties. joe biden is also summit is a political institution within the state. he was in the united states senate for multiple decades. he also served in county level government before he ran for the u.s. senate. while tim kaine does have a lot of political experience, it is popularr that he is so

or has that image of being a political institution of virginia that would allow voters to examine the democratic ticket, put aside or at least diminish their feelings for the presidential candidates, policy preferences, and focus on the vice presidential candidate when making a choice of the ballot box. host: we want listeners and viewers to know they can join the conversation. democrats can call in with your question or comment at (202) 748-8000. republicans, the number is (202) 748-8001. independents, the line is (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a tweet. ,e are talking with kyle kopko the co-author of "the vp advantage." we talked a lot about hillary clinton. let's talk about donald trump in his choice, mike pence. guest: i thought that made a

great deal of sense due to the divisions within the republican party. one of the reasons why a presidential candidate might select a running mate isn't just for help when they are in office in terms of governing. not just to potentially pick up votes along the way. but also to help foster party unity. i think as many viewers realized, donald trump's candidacy has been divisive in the party. that is evidenced by senator ted cruz's comments at the rnc. someone like mike pence has conservative credentials. even evangelical. -- he is an evangelical. he also has executive experience as the governor of indiana. a way that thes trump campaign could help to reassure some skeptical embers of the republican party. plus, whenever donald trump was evaluating running mate's he made comments time and time

again he would value a running mate that had washington experience. donald trump is a political outsider and he has used that to his advantage on the campaign trail. but for his perspective he would believe that having someone with a great deal of washington experience might come in handy once in the white house, someone who can reset the congress and help advance policy and legislation on behalf of the white house. host: you mentioned the importance of party unity and the selection process for vice president of candidate. rnce saw last week at the it did not seem like there was a lot of unity in the party. ken mike pence bridge that gap -- can mike pence bridge that gap? guest: it is possible but it will take work. it's not going to be a cakewalk by any means but it is certainly possible. a lot depends on the presidential candidate's tone

and rhetoric. it's important to keep in mind when discussing vice presidential selection and the first of vice presidents, and foremost presidential elections are about the presidential candidates. if donald trump doesn't say the types of things that skeptical members within the republican party want to hear him say and offer reassurances, it will be awfully hard for mike pence to make that up on behalf of donald trump. i think both members of the presidential ticket really have to espouse some conservative policies to help win over any skeptical members of the party. host: can you talk a little bit about the political calculations and the selection process that buys presidential candidates undergo? -- vice presidential candidates undergo? guest: that was the subject of a report some months ago and washington, d.c.

the short answer is there is not really a standard way of selecting vice presidential candidates are even vetting them. it varies tremendously. some campaigns take a great deal of time to vet candidates in advance. they might campaign with potential running mates. we saw that with hillary clinton this past time, appearing with a number of vice presidential finalists including tim kaine. other times it is not possible due to timing. a great example is a 1972 residential election on the democratic side when georgia governor was running for president. and the lead up to the dnc that year there was a vacation that senator ted kennedy would be the running mate for george mcgovern that year. by ted kennedy turned it down. otherrn began to approach potential running mates and a were not interested in the post.

a last-minute selection was made of senator thomas eagleton of misery. -- misery. -- missouri. there was no meaningful vetting because it was a last-minute decision. a kind of backfired. in the days that followed there were news reports that surfaced questioning thomas eagleton's mental health. he was hospitalized for depression, underwent electroshock therapy. a concerned a great number of voters will we are at the height of the cold war. some of the attacks against thomas eagleton was this is the person to be president. do you want someone that has mental health issues with her finger on the proverbial button? it's really all over the map. i think both parties are aware of this and in the future some campaigns will try to come up with more standardized methods of selecting vice president running mate. host: let's turn to the callers.

from princess and, maryland. darius,. good morning to you caller: good morning. good morning. i am calling because i have a question about vice presidential picks. as you stated before, this is the presidential election. most people are worried about the presidential candidate. as vice presidential candidates are adding to the bandwagon. i chose very early not to vote for hillary or donald trump. i am still very undecided. makingking prize -- then vice presidential picks is not many move left or right of center when i think about the role of of the government should be and what we should be doing in the world in general. i also served in the military. it is just really crazy.

i hear a lot of callers saying we need to go to war, we need to do this, we need to do that. i think a lot of people should be quiet and listen to some of the people that have gone out and done some of these things. tim kaine does not seem like one of these individuals. i was reading he has something to do with dodd frank, and supported the tpp. maybe you can expand on that. host: kyle kopko? guest: yes, i think you mix a good point. i think this is something our research bears out. not a great number of voters are significantly swayed by vice presidential candidate selections. even in the news media in recent days leading up to this election, the reports seem to characterize tim kaine as a safe selection for hillary clinton. someone who is characterized as boring. that is something tim kaine used

to describe himself in recent interviews as well. it is someone who is going to be more low-key on the campaign trail. this is something that campaigns also like to emphasize. they don't want the vice president of candidates to overshadow the presidential candidates because they can take away from the message, the policy vision going forward. these are all very important things campaigns have to consider as a work of the next few months leading up to november 8. host: tom from pennsylvania is the next color. he is on the republican line. good morning. caller: my question is which one of the vice presidential candidates do you think has an edge in a debate scenario? guest: that's a great question. year'sy, i think this debate between mike pence and tim kaine can be pretty meaty

in terms of policy issues. they are both seasoned politicians, used to speaking before an audience. answering a variety of policy and political questions. i am not sure this year who i would give the edge to. certainly if someone is ill-prepared going into a debate that is going to make a difference. even so, there have been some analysis by pollsters to see if vice president joe debates have a significant -- vice presidential debates have significant impact on opinions of candidates and their ticket. generally it does not. it could be because presidents are more important, but also the fact there are more presidential debates. whenever the vice president's debate they are not talking about their individual visions and policy decisions. iny are more casting thing terms of what would hillary clinton do, what will donald trump do with it for years. they are playing a support role.

it's an interesting debate format in that regard. host: tony from atlantic city is calling of the democratic line. what is your question or comment? caller: good morning. my comment is i don't think the vp pick really matters. at the end of the day of looking at what the president is going to do. the way i look at it now, with donald trump and his policies and hillary clinton's, it's a no-brainer to me. i am all in for hillary and i don't care she picked ronald mcdonald. it would not matter to me one way or another. thank you. host: just a reminder to our viewers and listeners, you can call me their questions and comments. (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, the line is (202) 748-8002. you can also send us a tweet.

we are talking with kyle kopko. he is associate professor of political science at elizabethtown college. he is joining us from harrisburg, pennsylvania. you were quoted in this story in the philadelphia observer. five of the top presidential attack job -- dogs in american history. is that typically the role the vice president of candidate plays? guest: often times it is. it depends on the personality of the vice presidential candidate to be sure. this is a campaign strategy a lot of campaigns have used over the years. what this allows the presidential candidate to do in terms of focusing on a positive vision for the entire country. what do they hope to accomplish once they are elected? it allows them to appear more presidential and hopefully appeal to voters. if a vice presidential candidate can assume the role of the atack dog, they can lob

variety of criticisms of the opposing party. it allows the presidential candidate to remain above the fray. i am not sure how that will play out this year. host: this seems to be turning that model on its head this year in the republican party. guest: yes. donald trump has never shied away from lobbying -- lobbing criticism at his opponents. is it necessary mike pence would play that role? we will just have to wait and see. this is ultimately a strategic decision the campaigns have to make for themselves. host: john from massachusetts on the republican line. did trump's selection of mike pence make a difference to you? caller: i have been doing my research. i did have a question about hillary's if i may. my question is what kind of impact do you think this will have on the convention?

her trust is at an all-time low. nobody really likes her. she has a big gap with the youth vote. this will not help anything. do you see it uprising from occupy wall street? do you see them coming out of the woodwork to protest the democratic convention? he is a big bank or. -- banker. he's everything the bernie supporters hate. suggestion for c-span is on the segment tomorrow for all bernie sanders supporters to have their opinion about hillary clinton's pick. thank you. host: that is john from hanover, massachusetts. we will be revisiting the question and opening up the phone lines on your thoughts and comments on hillary clinton's take at the end of the show. we are talking with kyle kopko. with the you say?

-- kyle, what do you say? guest: i think john has a good point on two issues. first, he did not know a lot about mike pence and he is not alone. there are many, many voters throughout the united states who just are not familiar with him. i'm sure there are many other voters who are not familiar with tim kaine either. there is a piece in politico last week discussing that, the vice president shall finalists are relatively unknown on a national level. if they are unknown, it is difficult for that to influence though choice. certainly the voters might learn more about them throughout the course of the campaign. asre is certainly not visible as the presidential candidates. and to this comment about hillary clinton's trustworthiness, and this is something that is been discussed in the lead up to vice presidential selections. presidential candidate help to frame a

presidential candidate in a certain way? it influences perception of the president of candidate? that is possible but not exactly clear if the vice presidential candidate will be able to make hillary clinton look more trustworthy. that seems like that is a tall order, certainly senator kaine could talk to this issue. it is kindly hard for a vice presidential candidate to be everything to everyone in helping to refrain the presidential candidate -- reframe the presidential candidate. that will be the job of the presidential mandate to ship perceptions about his or her candidacy. host: ruth from pennsylvania is calling. go ahead. you are on the air. caller: my comment is that it goes to show you just like obama. he did not think too much of the people that worked to put him in office. he said to the jews we are

taking israel. to the people that want to get into the country, don't worry, i will take care of you. he said to blacks i am everybody's president. and here goes hillary. she knows out of all the picks would -- he is in with the banks just like she is. she went on the tour, with what she said about us before death while her husband was president. -- while her husband was president. she thinks because we don't have anywhere else ago we will go with her. she might be wrong about that. if we can get some of these democrats are people that think like us that everybody should have an equal chance, we might just not vote for her but vote for a lot of democrats that say they want more progression in our -- as a choice.

host: ruth from pennsylvania. kyle kopko? there is aer point, lot of anguish obviously and disappointment with some of the presidential candidates this year. about a month and a half ago the washington post produced a poll that showed both donald trump and hillary clinton had historically high disapproval ratings. both work in the mid to high 50's, which has never really happened before in the modern presidential era. folks are looking for alternative choices. obviously that is why we hear more about jerry johnson this -- gary johnson this time allowed. when we dug into the data, our analysis suggests vice president of candidates could matter at the margins, particularly if the presidential candidates, as is

the case this year, have very high disapproval ratings. it is the vice presidential -- if the vice presidential candidate is viewed more favorably, that could move the needle ever so slightly in favor of that ticket. it is still pretty unlikely. by our estimates the theirential candidate, evaluations at three times the weight of vice president of candidates. given that so many people just don't know too much about mike pence or tim kaine this election cycle, it is unlikely they will have that big of an influence, if any at all that is statistically this thing was able. all that -- statistically distinguishable. we will have to stay tuned to find out. host: kyle kopko, your research looked at historical elections going back several decades. is it possible that we are in a

moment where the impact of the vice president could be changing. there was a story on fox news that cited home state advantage for vice president show picks in alaska in 2008 and delaware in 2008 and 2012. wisconsin in 2012. could that the shifting the way that voters view vice presidential candidates? guest: it is possible. there was a great book that was recently published by a law professor at st. louis university. "the white house vice presidency." he takes an institutional approach to examine the office of the vice president. one of his main conclusions is the office has changed dramatically in recent decades. it has become more of a significant influence within the west wing. historically speaking the vice president did not have a lot of

power. their primary constitutional job was to preside over the united states senate if there was a tie vote. they would have the ability to break the tie vote. if something happened to the president, they could then assume the office of president. but what we see is the vice president assuming more of a policy advisor role on behalf of the president. someone who could be a trusted advisor. and someone who can be an emissary from the white house to capitol hill to help advance legislation. now alsopresidents assume responsibility of several special projects on behalf of the white house. it remains to be seen and this trend will continue. if the vice president plays an increasingly important role in the day-to-day work of the white house and our federal government, voters may take the vice presidential pick much more seriously than what is in the case historically. it is possible maybe 20, 30, 40

years from now voters might place a greater emphasis on vice presidents. to the point about home state of damages, it really depends on each campaign. even though our research suggests this is grossly exaggerated in terms of running mate's ability to carry their home state and garner votes there, that perception nevertheless exists. there are candidates to have relied or at least shown evidence or make statements that they were considering the possibility of a running mate due to their home state. bill clinton and his memoir cited former senator bob graham as a potential running mate that would potentially deliver florida on behalf of the democratic ticket. if he would instead selected him over al gore. perhaps the most famous example is the 1960's election of lyndon johnson by john f. kennedy. even there, there is

cautions that should be exercised. you survey data for the reagan national election studies from 1960, and we did not find any solid evidence to support the claim of lyndon johnson delivered texas or even the south in that year. johnson was an especially popular in the south -- wasn't especially popular in the south. some southerners viewed johnson is a turncoat on civil rights, particularly for his leadership in the senate over the 1957 civil rights act. even know that perception might exist the empirical reality does not always match that perception. host: jordan from connecticut is up next. jordan is calling on the independent line. go ahead. caller: hello. i was wondering if he could comment on the history of vice president shall selections. which of the most positive impact on the electoral outcome. al gore, walter mondale, lyndon

johnson may have had a positive impact. alternatively, to have the most negatively impact? sarah palin, dan quayle, bob dole, spiro agnew. which one might have the most positive and negative impact. guest: that is a great question. it is a complicated answer. let's start with the negative first and then move into the positive. it is difficult to say that a running mate has cost a presidential ticket votes, but there has been some recent scholarship on this. for better or worse, sarah palin has been the subject of a wide variety of research studies. not tested in clinical science for political communication, gender studies. there is a cottage industry examining her candidacy. it's really a mixed bag in terms of the imperial results. one study suggested sarah palin could have cost john mccain as

much as 2.1 million votes among moderate and liberal voters. there is another study that was just published last year in american politics research by whitney court and michael lynch which shows her candidacy energized the conservative and republican base. there were a number of voters who probably would not have palin'st for sarah selection by john mccain. it is sort of a double-edged sword in that regard. maybe she would've cost some votes among swing voters, but at the same time would have motivated more conservative and republican voters to turn out for john mccain. it is not exactly a clear-cut example of someone who helped or hurt the ticket. in our analysis we went back to 1884 trying to discern if there would've been a time where a vice presidential selection would have mattered. even in lyndon johnson's

situation, even though we don't find any solid in. go evidence -- any solid empirical evidence from the kennedy campaign in 1960 to support the claim he delivered texas and the south, even if johnson failed to deliver texas, kennedy still would have won based on the electoral college vote. he could've even given a perhaps another small state in the south and still won the election over richard nixon that year. out of all the elections we have examined, we can only find one instance where a running mate could have possibly made difference. this is a bit of what if history. when you do make some assumptions that the campaign would not changed dramatically or anything that would result but the selection. it was the 2000 election. if any state has switched from george w. bush to al gore's column, gore would've had a

majority in the electoral college. .his is highly probablistic will a candidate be on a presidential vice presidential shortlist? will they hail from a state that is not reliably republican or democrat? are they from a swing state? are they selected and do they actually deliver enough votes to put that ticket of over the top? it is pretty unlikely. the one example we did find was 2000 where if al gore could have selected ben governor jeanne shaheen of new hampshire, our forecasting models is the gore campaign with jerry new hampshire by one point. that assumes the dynamic of the national election would not have changed, but given shaheen's political experience an advantage, we believe it's likely they could've carried new hampshire.

that was the only state in new england that the democratic ticket did not carry in 2000. that would have secured a majority of votes on behalf of al gore. host: edwin from hollywood, florida on the democratic line. good morning to you. caller: good morning. i just wanted to state my opinion on donald trump. i think he is far too thin-skinned to be the presidential nominee for the republican party. i think he looks like a three-year-old throwing a temper tantrum sometimes. you see him on their -- there. host: mark from canton, ohio on the independent line. caller: ok. -- i hearde to know

you say if you vote independent republican- i was a until the bushes came along and that i dropped that. i was thinking about this year. how he got in there was the hateful speech. i'm reading all this stuff about how he is a demagogue and narcissistic. all his hand movements and all that stuff. i think i would rather go for hillary. host: that is mark from ohio. kyle kopko from elizabethtown college, any thoughts? guest: back to my previous point of the candidates being unpopular this year, i think that's one of the reasons why so many folks in been paying attention to this so-called vp states. they are looking for indications

on how these presidential candidates might govern once they are in office. it's become an adage by now. the first presidential decision that a candidate makes is to the running mate will be. this is someone that could succeed them. they will have to rely on them as a policy advisor. whether that meets a difference this time around in shaping perceptions for the presidential candidates, we will have to wait and see. host: we talked about the low likelihood that buys presidential candidates bring some sort of home state advantage. what about demographics? healthertain picks bolster support within the given -- different demographic groups. guest: this is something my co-author and i recently examined. we just had an article about this published in the washington post online blog, the monkey cage. it is there for viewers to read

if they would like to. we dug into the data from the american national election studies going back to the 1970's to see how the demographic appeal to women voters for geraldine ferraro and sarah palin influenced their choice. catholic voters. tim kaine is catholic. there been a number of vice presidential candidates that were catholic, including geraldine for our, paul ryan, joe biden. we also had a jewish running mate, joe lieberman in 2000. a similarnd is pattern compared to our results regarding home state candidacies and manages. in home states and within these demographic groups voters generally like these candidates more. they have more favorable opinions of them. women had more favorable opinions of geraldine ferraro. catholics had a more favorable view of joe biden for example.

but that did not necessarily translate into votes. they were not so popular as to sway vote choice in the november election. our take away that we offered in this article is essentially due to the presidential candidates. demographic appeal among presidential candidate and home state appeal among presidential candidate, is a very different scenario. in home states presidential candidates tend to get three-seven points to any other political party and the year we are conducting the analysis. catholic voters were much more likely to turn out for john f. kennedy in 1960. we also see african american are much were likely to turn out for president obama and the 2008 presidential campaign. our interpretation of the data is voters are more significantly influenced by presidential candidates. tim kaine obviously has some

experience with working with latino constituents. he is also fluent in spanish. this is something my co-op or and i are going to be examining in the future. will this result in any sort of electoral advantage among this constituency of voters? might help tim kaine could record a message in spanish over the radio are on tv to appeal to this demographic group? i am not sure that will have much of an effect. even george w. bush recorded some advertisements all in spanish where he spoke spanish to potential constituents. but it did not seem to have two large of an effect in the early 2000's. it is something we will have to wait and see. based upon the available data is probably unlikely a constituency to a is going to be swayed significant extent by a vice presidential candidate. host: we had time for a few more

calls in this segment. del from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. i think the two picks we have this year are just about offset each other. emphasis has to be on the presidential candidates. i watched c-span every morning. i have not heard anyone mention donald trump has to go to court. he called this judge a mexican. pattern of corruption and racketeering that he has the answer to. he is being sued by 3000 people. he might be the one to get indicted and locked up. host: we will take our final color for this segment. lawrence from the not a hills, california. also on the democratic line. a good early warning to you, lawrence. since: i have been voting

1976. i was 18. mondale was a good choice. in 1980, i turned against carter. i did not vote for him. voted for reagan. 1984, reagan. i voted for obama twice. i vote for the top of the ticket. i really do not vote for the vice presidential choice. this year i am voting for the top of the ticket. so that is my feeling on the vice presidential choices. very rarely does it influenced me on who i am voting for president. host: lawrence from california. kyle kopko, last words? guest: i think lawrence is certainly a great example of a lot of americans out there who are evaluating their vote choices this year. the emphasis will be placed on

the presidential candidates this year. it's really the exception not the rule of us presidential candidates will have a significant impact on the outcome of the race, either in their home states are on the national level. will it matter this year? probably unlikely but there is still a lot of campaigning to go. host: the book is "the vp advantage." associate professor of political science at elizabethtown college from harrisburg, pennsylvania. thank you so much for talking with us. guest: really appreciate it. host: we will talk to veteran holster peter hart. he will be discussing the race.ential we have a clip from newsmakers. walden talks about the impact of the nominee donald trump and the party's tensions that surfaced at the convention.

the interview will be airing tomorrow, sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on c-span. you will also hear it on c-span radio and online at c-span.org. >> house democrats are running against him pretty hard saying he could break away from them. i was wondering are you getting your members the freedom to distance themselves from the nominee and do what they need to do? how much of a drag is the nominee going to be on the house ticket? >> thank you, emily. i would say there are two candidates running for president. if ever embrace their own and a knowledge the problem hillary clinton brings to their ticket in her house races. let me give you the data set. it's basically in the competitive races. not every case but nearly hillary clinton's numbers are worse than donald trump's numbers in these competitive seats. we are running an individual

districts, not nationwide. their campaign has been predicated on the democratic side is trying to tie a number to donald trump. it's easier to type democrat hillary clinton and the failed policies of this last administration. then it is to somehow say one of our members or candidates is just like donald trump. everybody knows donald trump has his own brand. he has set a new course for the party. i think our members make up their own minds. it's why we are successful in the house and they are successful in their elections in their districts and what we have biggest majority since 1928 in the house. we have work to do. it is done at home and they are doing their work at home. >> mr. chairman, how do you think the division we saw in the quicken loans arena on the floor on monday and tuesday, very visibly during senator cruz's

speech, how will that impact house races? how concerned are you about disillusioned or disaffected republicans, the never trump crowd not coming out to vote and hurting house races? >> we are a party that has a lot of voices. you heard that at the convention. i think going forward you will see those voices get unified behind a common nominee that makes clear there is a choice here. which way do you want to go? a continuation of the status quo under secretary clinton, who has been part of the obama administration, or go in a new direction? we have supreme court seats at stake going forward. the next generation is on the line. issues about who will follow the constitution and defend the law. -- this see a dispute group even more unified. i look at the data from the battleground states, from our districts.

our members are working hard at home. our candidates are working hard. i feel pretty good about where we are at. >> washington journal continues. host: our guest is peter hart, a democratic pollster and founder of hart research associates. he has been a pollster for nbc news and the wall street journal since 1989. he said presented clients from hubert humphrey did bill clinton. bank is a much for being here -- thank you so much for being here. i want to read a little bit of it off and you wrote in the wall street journal. "in the history of public opinion polling no democrat has entered the general presidential election with a weaker score on personal popularity, trust or likability than hillary clinton. she has ended up just another policy wonk with distant slogans and no central message." why did this happen? guest: we have got to bring some context to this. hast of all, donald trump

higher negatives than hillary clinton. we end up with two candidates that are exceptionally challenged at this stage in the game. this happened because of times. it is but a difficult time to be a candidate. people are looking at the stakes, their feelings. they are trying to sort things out. hillary clinton has -- clinton has come from a long background. there are marvelous things about her but think that even rate in terms of her character and trustworthiness, which have gone and hurt her. she runs into this convention with the challenge. at the same time she has a great opportunity. that is what we are going to be looking for in the next week. host: what does she need to do to overcome or turnaround this high level of displeasure? guest: the most important thing

is it is not somehow creating a new hillary clinton. it is rediscovering the old hillary clinton, the original hillary clinton. that was a person people said she works across the aisle and has the ability to get along with colleagues. a person with long friendships. the opposite of donald trump. a person who has the ability and knows people and understands them. what has happened in this campaign is the contentiousness has been difficult. we have ended up with a cardboard caricature of her. now with the selection of tim kaine she has a chance, and the same way her husband did in 1992, to reintroduce herself. i think that reintroduction has to be as much as anything broadening who she was and who she is. they goes back to the basics. who she is as a person. a person that cares, is involved.

the second thing that is so important is the ability to show how she governs and how she leads. all of that has been left out in the primaries. host: i believe according to some of your polling it shows her favorability ratings have fallen as the campaign has progressed. asit typical for a candidate they undergo greater scrutiny? guest: did he go back through it happened to barack obama. it happened to bill clinton. it happened to john mccain. it happened to mitt romney. it is the wear and tear of the campaign. what happens in the general election is the second book. then people start to make judgments they go beyond just how i feel about this person today. it's a question of who can do the job, who can make a difference in terms of the country? host: our viewers can join in our conversation. they can call and.

democrats, your number is (202) 748-8000. republicans, your number is (202) 748-8001. independents, the line is (202) 748-8002. you can also send as a tweet. hart,speaking with peter veteran democratic pollster and founder of hart research associates. poll of involved in a young voters ahead of the political convention in philadelphia and cleveland as well. what did you find about what matters to them? party candidates reaching out to them? guest: this is a fascinating call. this was done and we did it in concert with -- and we've been doing this since 2001, is following high school students each of the four years -- every four years to understand how

they look at the political world, how they are feeling about their own lives, and where things are at. 16, young people are so reflective of what is happening in the world in general. they are much more involved. they are much more -- they feel the election makes a greater difference. at the same time a are not necessarily positively inclined towards each of the candidates. they like the democratic party. they don't like the republican party. overall what we find is there is a lot of pressure on young people. when we were doing this back in --1 people really did not young people did not see the stakes in the same way. today you can feel the world is in pinching on them. for them this election is not something that is for other people. it is for them. in terms of caring about it,

they are much more involved. we have got over 80%. they think it's going to make a difference. compared to 2012, this is up by 25 points. it's a big difference and fairly important. host: the first caller is joseph from delaware. he's calling on the democratic line. go ahead. caller: smyrna, delaware. i have two points and one question. i looked on the wikileak. it says as registered democrats for these approval ratings. my question is if it's just registered democrats, is that a encompassedhe whole view of people if it's just registered democrats? that's like saying do you like my friend? if you ask all my friends. the other point is i think hillary is the difference between going to law school and lawyer school. law school you learn about the

law. lawyer school you learn how to break the law and get away with it. that is my comment. answer the first question, please. guest: the survey we have done for nbc and the wall street journal is obviously a cross-section of america. ,hen you see registered voters registered voters among everybody, we may have shown just democrats in this one graph but overall it's all americans. it is almost 55% on the negative side for donald trump. it has been at 60% or higher for a long period of time. you would be absolutely correct if we were only interviewing democrats, which we do not do. i should mention with a high school students we had two different groups. one were high school students we integrate -- interview between the ninth and 12th grades. we also did an additional survey

with postgraduates, people who graduated from high school between 18 and 23 years old. there we did not ask which party they belong to. we were only interested in getting their views unless broader questions, as well as understanding the political world. host: we are talking with peter hart, a democratic pollster and has worked with the wall street journal and nbc news. can you help our viewers and listeners understand little bit about how polls are conducted. likely voters versus registered voters, sampling sites. how should we be interpreting some of this? guest: what it comes down to is a sample is designed, and we do ours by telephone, and it is done with random digit dialing. -- interviewual and voter has a chance with every other voter to be included.

over 40% of all of our interviews are done with people who only have cell phones. i'm sure you and a lot of people in the younger millennial generation only can be reached by cell phones. we don't want to miss that group. every person has an equal chance of being in this sample. second thing about it. it depends on the number of interviews. we generally do 1000 interviews. the margin of error is about plus or minus 3.3%. the key in all of this is obviously to be able to get participation. it is easier to get participation when you are saying it's the nbc news and the wall street journal. people think it must be lester holt and chuck todd on the phone interested in my point of view. what it really comes down to is again having questions that are balanced and that are fair.

we produce every question so you can see the wording. knowing where they are placed in a questionnaire because that can make a difference. most importantly is ied sampling. it is like a blood test. if you don't do it properly, you will come up with the wrong diagnosis. host: jim from oklahoma is on the republican line. good morning. caller: yes, hello? host: you are on the air. caller: i want to make a statement about the whole system. it's about as left-leaning as the media. you can rig the polls to get the results you want and that is what has been happening lately. hillary clinton barely be a socialist and a small election, and she did it with mostly foreign donations. the clinton foundation is corrupt as can be. she is going to prison, not the white house, along with obama for many charges of treason and other charges.

host: all right, jim from oklahoma. we will hear from our guest. jesse is from the democratic line. caller: good morning. host: good morning. turn down your tv. caller: i was watching the news yesterday, and lester holt came on. they were saying donald trump has to go to court. i'm trying to figure out something about it. if you hear anything more about it -- host: we hear your question. peter hart, any thoughts? guest: i don't know anything about donald trump's legal problems. in terms of left-leaning polls, i would tell you you have to look at where it comes from and at most of the majorlook

polls, and if you look at the work that is being done by pew research, you will see that it is pretty equal and well covered. in our calls, we have shown throughout the year that the race has been pretty close between hillary clinton and donald trump. we have shown the strengths and weaknesses of each. i think the importance of the poll is the ability to understand what the dynamics of the voters are. that is really where it counts. everybody looks at the horse race, but it is what is behind there. when you look at this election, voters who are uncertain, at the same time they want to have some sense of where we are going. the ability to understand the issues, the perceptions of the candidates, and what they are looking for is how to look at the polls. host: michelle is calling on the independent line.

good morning, michelle. caller: yes. , i am from atlanta. i am an african-american voter. i am michelle from atlanta, georgia. i will be voting. i am a black american. to me, the economy does not matter. nothing matters to me except race. i tell you, if you look at took a poll in cleveland, ohio, hillary clinton got 88% of the african-american votes. donald trump, among democrats, got 0%. donald trump is the worst of the among african-american voters. he is at a 90% unfavorable. he will not get our votes because he is a racist and a bigot. host: all right, michelle. guest: the point you make on the

polling is that you are exactly right. donald trump's support with african-americans and latinos is down in the low teens and single digits. when it comes down to is that throughout this campaign, i do not think he has been able to reach across and talk to them in a way that has provided any sort of confidence. if you look throughout the last 35 years, the democrats have done exceptionally well with the african-american vote. obviously, barack obama has been well over 95%. even as he reaches the twilight of his presidency, his approval rating in the black community continues to be exceptionally high. in terms of the vote this fall, hillary clinton has a positive rating among african-americans. that has held up in spite of the difficult campaign against bernie sanders.

as you look at this, the contrast is stark. the democrats have always counted on the african-american vote. the real question will be turnout. they turned out an extraordinary numbers for barack obama in 2008 and in 2012. the question is will hillary clinton and the democrats be able to create this sense of urgency and willingness to turn out. host: here is a tweet from your firm, hard research, americans believe race relations in the u.s. are bad. this is the highest number since the oj burn. how is that shipping this campaign? guest: let me go back to the operational alger pull which is poll which iger think is important. when we used to interview them, were what grade

to my going to get, how will i get into college, what will happen? and the social pressure. now the world pressures are all on them. you can feel it in this survey. when we ask you them -- ask them the most important issue, number one is the economy and right up there was terrorism. to think that kids in the night grade and 10th grade is saying terrorism is important, that gives you a sense of how things are. when you ask the question about race, that came up in the higher category along with education. education you would expect for students. race is clearly something, particularly with minorities, which is of particular concern. we have gone through an exceptionally difficult peri io thinkd the president has done a remarkable job. guiding the ship.

nonetheless, this is a country that is very much on edge. the question is who will provide the coming influence and balance. i think young people, and i think voters as a whole, and race relations as we noted, that is a long way back to the o.j. simpson trial. the o.j. simpson trial was one incident, one period of time. shock. had shock after it is not over. i applaud young people saying that they care and ink it will make a difference who wins. next collar comes from grand forks, north dakota. go ahead susie with your question. caller: good morning. i am a low income white women. -- woman. picked timlad she

kaine. i think this country is the greatest in the world. i have a very, very positive attitude. thank you. host: that is suzy. will be lance on the republican line. caller: good morning. host: good morning, alas. caller: i would like to make a comment. i believe that the american people have become docile i'll to the whole political -- to the whole political system. hillary clinton has been involved with 14 scandals since the 1990's. you can look at benghazi, syria, the iran deal, libya, iraq, e-mail scandals, and as for her vice president pick, i believe she could select gandhi and not get elected. i don't understand why people don't see this.

i know they are threatened by trump. the way he talks and stuff, but he talks to people on their level. i believe hillary thanks that she is better than normal people. i just wanted to make that comment. host: all right, lance. guest: the kind of questions we hear and comments are not unusual. when you look at -- listen to land in ohio, you get the sense -- to me, it is not surprising that we pick it up in the polls and focus groups that i do when i talk with people. wherek the last comment the perception is that she may think of herself as better than people goes back to my original point. how do you provide that kind of

understanding of the total person rather than just being seen through one small spectrum? comes to the last presidential suzy's point in north dakota was particularly important, and i think tim kaine is an excellent selection. boxesly because he checks and those are the things people talk about, but he has foreign policy and executive experience. he speaks spanish. those things. somebody who is exceptionally balanced. rushes not somebody who to one end of the spectrum or another. this is a person that looks at issues and a broadway. -- in a broad way. i would say the same thing that while mike pence comes from a different ideological background, you could say that his experience and his acquits him well to

be a vice president of the united states. host: you said that for hillary clinton to connect more with voters she has to move away from four point powerpoint plants. she needs to do more personal interaction. what does donald trump need to do to overcome his high unfavorable ratings? guest: donald trump has a problem. the central problem is he is a chaos candidate. he does not provide what i call the stability. people are looking for change. this is not a continuity election, i am sorry to say. i know people want to say it has got to be confident in. -- continuity. they will not choose chaos. the reason of donald trump is there is a sense that there is always a zigzag and there is no sense of here is where i am, this is where i am going, this

is what it is about. when i ask people in focus groups, tell me who donald trump if he were a fifth grader on a playground and you are looking from up above. the person they describe, essentially, is a person who would be selling things, who would be pushing down the little kid, who would be at the top of the jungle jim's. -- gyms. if you say what difference does it make, if you give people a different metaphor to love, all of a sudden they can provide very important insights into what they're thinking. fictional actor, any fictional character, a superhero or anything. who is he? they said he is attested -- tasmanian devil. they said he is the whole. my favorite of all is they said he is dennis the menace.

when you think of that curly hair of dennis the menace, you think even that has been regraded. the challenge for donald trump is somehow to provide a sense of steadiness and balance. i don't think the convention helped him in that way. a had the opportunity with full audience and america waiting to make a judgment. the he played was to negative side. he missed, as some journalists have pointed out, when i call the next inside of it. which is how do i talk to people, how do i relate to people in their hopes and their fears. the whole canvas was painted in black for donald trump. if there is only black and a little red tie, it will not sell. next up is pamela from madison heights, michigan.

good morning, pamela. caller: good morning. liked yourely, just comment about donald trump i do believe also that you are right. he is one that, i think, our children and grandchildren would look at as a little kid only because someone says something to him and he comes back at them so hard. it is a little disgusting. the previous caller had said about hillary going to prison. as far as i look at things, bush and cheney with their lies about iraq and how we got into that war, i would definitely say, you know, they are just criminals as well. that is pamela from madison heights, michigan.

let's hear from staten island, new york. jill is on the republican line. caller: this is joe. -- donald trump had 55% in the polls, but he got over 60% in the real vote on election day. that,states like libertarians will come to their senses and vote for donald trump. thank you. host: what are the limitations of pulling -- polling? color mentione lower support in the polls but higher support on election day. polls do not protect, they only reflect where people are at. it is difficult because there is no necessary balance or

baseline. when you get to a general election, you know people are democrats, independents, republicans. we spent a lot of time trying to figure out who are likely voters versus maybe voters. at this stage in the game got a looks like there are a lot of likely voters. the question is will republicans will compel based on their feelings about donald trump to go to the polls. we do not know that at this stage. the point is absolutely right, donald trump outperforms what the early polls say. not our polls because we use national service. when you look at the staples, it will be a huge problem in the fall to understand that. the other side, in terms of brexit, i think that was an in great britain where they have had some difficulties of their own. when it comes down to is that in a general election for president

in the united states, you usually have a good sense of who will turn out. at this stage, it is a question of will minorities for the democrats and millennials turnout. for the republicans, they need what they call the silent majority. is that group along the rust belt states turnout in large numbers as suggested in terms of the primary? we do not know enough yet. we will see more after the primary. it goes back to the first colors aller'sn -- c question. that is what do the democrats need to do with the convention ahead. i think it is an opportunity or the democrats to show what i think is a different face. the idea of lock her up was so over-the-top, i think, for the american public that even donald trump said, let's defeat her. i think there is a huge difference.

i think the question of civility. for the democrats, the ability to present not only a positive side but also to present -- to understand that it is not just poking everything at donald to a simpleaying base. it is laying out something. the thing that is available to the democrats and was available to donald trump is the economy. the voters, and a head-to-head, think that donald trump is stronger on the economy than hillary clinton. i was surprised that donald trump did nothing on the economy during this time. it is a waste of opportunity. i think there is a marvelous record hillary clinton has to present. we found out that almost half of all americans think barack obama has improved the economy. only 11% say, i think, he made it worse. the years from bill clinton are

years where even people who are conservative say these are good economic times. that ability to build on that and talk about where we transition to in the economy and where we need to get to will be important for the democrats to get to. i'm surprised donald trump did not pick it up in his convention. host: next color is philip from fairfax, virginia on the independent line. caller: i have been very concerned about the proliferation of voter suppression laws over the last few years. how are you accommodating that, or is it possible to do that in your polling? guest: that is a great question. the question of the laws changing voter registration and when one can register are very difficult to deal with. what we care about is the ability to measure those people who are able to vote, and we

asked the first question, are you registered to vote? obviously, the laws that have been happening over a short amount of time have been a little bit on the harsh side in my estimation. we are not trying to stimulate democracy, but trying to suppress democracy. i think that is a huge question for america. -- obviously you want an honest and fair vote. you do not want people who should not be voting to be allowed at the polls. at the end of the day you want a vibrant democracy. in terms of our calling, what we are trying to do as much as anything is to add to the dialogue. it is not just understanding who is hot, who is not come up but to take it much further along and understand where people want to see a democracy go. that is what we want at the ballot box, also. is laura onxt color

the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a great fan mr. hart. to process questions, the first is gary johnson and bill well. if you are incorporating them ato your questions as far as straight presidential pick. are you voting for donald trump if the boat were today, or gary johnson? yes to a little bit of what you were just speaking about, civility and respect. question thatme a gets an answer to whether people are more interested in a civil

approach, or because i'm a democrat, a bombastic approach? thank you. i thank you very much for your calling and kind compliment. is, it really comes down to yes, of course, we are looking at multiple candidates. what we present is one set of numbers which shows hillary clinton had at 46% to 41%. that is prior to the republican convention. i don't want to say it reflects the convention. we also included one that includes the libertarian as well as the green party. we included gary johnson and included jill stein. host: jill stein. guest: thank you. what we found it is important to understand. were evenricans

voting for gary johnson, 10%, or just on, 6%. that is a tremendous number of people when you recognize that ross perot got 19% in what we considered a three-way race. what it tells us about the voters is they were reluctant to enter into either the donald trump camp or the hillary clinton camp. that, what it means is the voters have to be won over. will this be one of the largest independent third-party votes? maybe. i think it is more likely to condense. as people get down to october, they will look and say, this is what i am stuck with. this is what my choice is going to be. unless gary johnson is able to get into the debate and make a a policy, with a procedure, i think it becomes

difficult. my guess is we are measuring more of the high water mark right now. i should also point out that at in ourint in the game, most recent poll, he did not show much of a difference in terms of cutting off of one candidate versus the other. there was still about a five point lead for hillary clinton. host: tim from charlotte, north carolina, is on the republican line. yes.r: i would like to ask a few questions and make a few comments. rude, i do not want to be but i do not think the american public is very educated about to longtons going back ground, that's foster. i could go on and on with a laundry list of things. hillary clinton made more money in one trait that anybody ever did in the history of wall street, probably for 20 years or 25 years.

i think the american public is very, very ignorant. i think a lot of black americans both democrat because they see the republican party as racist and all this other stuff. here is my question to you, you are talking about, and these people about bush and cheney, do you think bill clinton committed or three in his deposition after the monica linsky scandal? knowsy who knows the law that 80% or 90% of the american public would have gone to jail. he live in a sworn deposition. he sat there and live. host: we hear your point. any comments? guest: the only thing i would tell you is that in terms of the american public, if you do this for a lifetime, i have done it for over 50 years, you really get a sense. americans may not know every detail. they may not know where munich

is exactly, or may not understand everything in the middle east. they have very good and basic fundamental judgment and knowledge. we often say that they do not know enough about this or that. if you look over the course of things, they can give you a good barometer in terms of attitudes. they will tell you what they think makes sense and when it does not. they can talk about trade even if they do not know all of the details. to me, i am a defender of the american public because that is how i have made my living. [laughter] guest: i have found them to be peopleonally frank and who have basically good values. your collar from north carolina, one point of you, and your collar from rhode island with a different point of view. i listen to them all. i care about them.

recent poll in the "wall street journal close to that you are involved with. votersthree quarters of think the u.s. are on the run -- wrong track. if we are looking for this sense of optimism, why do so many people think we are in the wrong space? guest: we have been asking this question about right direction, wrong track over a 30 year time. we had gone from 2001 through 2016 where, with the exception ofsmall blips, a majority numbers which range up to 70% say the country is heading in the wrong direction. it has been hard for this country. outything has been cut under it. the sense of security from 9/11,

the sense of everything we go through in terms of individual terrorist acts, all those things are there. if you listen to the american public, the struggles that they are going through to recover from 2008 when, essentially, a lot of the economic security was cut out, and people lost their housing. to try to rebuild that has been a tremendous effort. there is the whole area of inequality that people care about. there are so many things that are happening on so many fronts that, as the public looks at it, there is a sense that we have not found our balance. we do not really have things working in our direction. if you looktime, and say, considering where we started with president obama in 2009, and where we are today, are we moving more in the

direction that we need to? i think the american public would say yes. we have recovered from the worst of the economic problems. we are out of afghanistan. we are out of iraq. there are still problems in the middle east. on many of the issues of the day, we have things that are going in the right direction. thinkok at this, and i right direction, wrong track, has been a stable mark for us. at this stage, i don't think it necessarily captures the full panoply of what is going on. host: our next caller is from crofton, maryland on the defendant line. caller: good morning mr. hart. i was going to ask you about how you feel the wilder effect might apply to mr. trump. i also wanted to comment that when you try to paint mr. trump

as a chaos candidate, i would submit that he is also an iconoclastic leader candidate. his views on trade, immigration, nato have really turned the and in many cases, both republicans and democrats are now agreeingith them where before him they were on opposite sides. guest: that is an exceptionally thoughtful and smart question. what has made donald trump unique in the selection process is, essentially, he is all part of the 360 degrees circle. theay show up any place on ideological spectrum. from that point of view, he infuriates some of the conservatives and he drills other people. -- thrills other people. that makes him a difficult target. at the same time, i go back to the other problem and more

important problem, and that is the sense that the voters feel in terms of his personality. and his knowledge about the facts. fine for him to blow up at ted cruz, but it is not i'm for him to blow up at angela merkel or somebody else. what you need is a clumsy. it is that element -- what you need is diplomacy. host: we have time for just a few more calls. we have our republican line in michigan. good morning. caller: hello. host: you are on the air. timer: i was listening to kaine the other night and mentioned the jesuits three or four times. i don't think he understands the history of the jesuits and what they did to non-catholics. another thing is henry.

-- hillary. whitewater, and ghazi, monica linsky. nothing sticks. byshe once said about a song tammy wynette, stand by your man. she said i am not a stand by your man woman. see, she did because she is nuts about power and money, whereas donald trump, he has the power and he has the money. he is not in it for that. inc. you. -- thank you. hear: a point of view i once in a while. donald trump appeared to have run his primary campaign only with his own or independent -- without an independent set of funds. there is always that contrast

between the clinton campaign, which has relied more on tax, etc.. day, what of the voters will come down to is the individuals and who makes sense for 2017. host: we have one more caller calling on the democratic line. good morning. knowr: i would like to where the gentleman gets his pollsters from. hillary clinton said she was going to close down the coal mines, get the coal companies out of business. almost all of that cold goes to europe or some other country. west virginia is one of the poorest to states in this country. is she going to reach coal miners? what is she going to retrain

them for. to be workers in walmart or mcdonald's, or someplace like that? my colleague has come from west virginia and has put a ton of effort into the revitalization of west virginia. hillary clinton j.k. rowling 'srks -- hillary clinton remarks may have been misinterpreted. figuregoing to have to out another avenue. we can go back to the past. peter hart is a democratic pollster and founder of heart research assistant. we take yourt,

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was here to fight evil. >> "washington journal" continues. phonewe will take your calls and tweets for the rest of the show. we want to know what you think about hillary clinton choosing tim kaine as her running mate. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. ndependents, (202) 748-8002. a special line open for virginia residents. we want to hear from you. (202) 748-8003. you can find us on social media. our twitter handle is @cspanwj. about tim kaine. he is 58 years old, he has been a u.s. center -- a u.s. senator

sense 2013. governor of virginia from 2006 to 2010 and he was formerly mayor of richmond, virginia. let's get to your phone calls. delmont, delaware, ohio. good morning. i feel tim kaine is an excellent person to be on the line. everything is signed. i feel that tim kaine is an excellent choice. fact that his wife is the secretary of education in virginia. abroad idea on

even the whole education problems in the united states. calm andto be very excited at the same time. i like him. i like hillary, too. host: next up, donna, sterling heights, michigan. good morning. go ahead. i was going to make a comment about tim kaine. i do not think he is an asset is his he is just like her. he took money and kick backs as for thewhat he is doing ticket, i don't think it would help hillary at all. she could have jesus christ on the ticket and it is not going to help what she has done.

as secretary of state, she has done nothing for any of the countries she has visited. everything is worse. she has not done anything but an rich herself, her husband, and her daughter. takemount of money they in, millions of dollars, the amount they have spent, nowhere near equalizer is what they have done. she should be ashamed of herself. the audacity to come out and run for president. excuse me? we hear your thoughts. let's turn to land, texas, on the republican line. hillary and obama are pushing this new world order. all i see that this new world

order is nothing but domination. why are they taking our guns? the reason they want to take our guns is because they can bring freaks to get us to serve. that is why they are tearing up our constitution. cannot push awry a law into effect with our constitution. -- putt sure awry up ouria law into effect with constitution. here is donald trump's reaction. is it the same tim kaine that ofk hundreds of thousands dollars in gifts and did not get indicted? that is a response from twitter from donald trump.

stacy, calling on the independent line. good morning. tim kaine is a nice person. my daughter helped him on his campaign in virginia as part of her civics class. concern, if hillary wants to win, she should have had bernie sanders. far-fetched,ounds but if she was smart, she would have picked bernie sanders and brought in bernie's people. i am afraid of donald trump's vice president pick. his poison policies have hurt americans and policies. i am frightened he would bring his religious hate crimes to

america and inflict what he has inflicted on the people in indiana on the american people. for that reason alone, i cannot vote for donald trump. what i write in bernie sanders? i do not know. know, we cannot pence in the white house. clinton named the senator as vice presidential pick. the story is from tampa. she selected a battleground politician with working-class roots and a fluency in spanish, trades that she thinks can help defeat donald trump in november.

mrs. clinton entertained more daring choices. considered cory booker, the first african-american to seek the vice presidency, and a retired four-star navy admiral who served as the supreme allied commander but never held office. mrs. clinton said she was afflicted with the responsibility gene and avoided -- by adding another woman or minority to the ticket. the campaign, which became concerned with its deficit of white men focused on tim kaine and looked more low -- looks the governorat from colorado.

caller: good morning. host: are you still there? caller: yes. host: it sounded like you cut out for a minute. caller: hillary clinton selected tim kaine because if something were to happen to her, he is the most like her. there would not be a significant change. , hedonald trump's case picked someone opposite of him, so something happened to donald trump, you would see a major the programs and plans he would put into effect. next up, vivienne. she lives in fredericksburg. good morning to you. i worked on attempt

chain and's governor and senate when he was running. -- i wish she had taken bernie sanders. about tim kaine, just like her. what about mike pence. he says cigarettes don't cause cancer. host: do you think hillary clinton should have picked bernie sanders to win or do you think bernie sanders a better choice? picked she should have bernie sanders so she would have overwhelmingly one. bernie sanders has so many people for him. i believe hillary clinton is going to win. david, willow spring, north carolina. think tim kaine will

be a fine pick for hillary. sanders, it would not have been a competition in november had clinton picked sanders or warren. tim kaine has good foreign-policy experience. i don't think it is going to hurt hillary that bad compared to the ticket they are running against. if she picked sanders or worn, she would have won by a landslide. the -- i hatever to say this, but some of the callers that call in with conspiracy theories. but, that is what donald trump is doing. he is trying to provoke conspiracy theories. you would think the world is coming to any nd. clinton-kaine ticket

will win. steve scully said dallas senator kaine last month. talked about his experience as governor of virginia during the virginia tech shootings. [video clip] time with the families. i am close to the families and their children. to putmined i was going a panel together to determine everything that happened and make recommendations about what we could change. tell me -- don't do that. you are just handing a lawsuit to everybody to sue the state. about theon't care lawsuit. we have to do everything we can to make sure what happened to these people those not happen again, or reduce the chance it will happen again. i put together a wonderful panel of people.

none were connected to the victims or virginia tech. they made a bunch of suggestions about campus safety, training, health, and they made those recommendations back to us. makene change i could not was someone got a weapon he should not have been able to get. i was able to fix some of that administratively. legislature and said we need a universal background check system and better back round checks. ofwon't eliminate the chance violence, but it will reduce the chance of gun violence. not do itture would in the aftermath of the tragedy. between my election and the swearing in to the senate, the shooting and

connecticut of the school children and their teachers. case on the floor in april 2013. we can make ourselves safer. we don't have to tolerate this. we can respect gun rights. we can have roles that make people safer. that day, in the senate, trying to an act background -- trying background legislation, with the family sitting in the gallery, like the witnesses, sitting with them were virginia tech families. the fact we could not do the right thing, the thing the american public wants us to do, extremely disappointing. tim kaine will appear with hillary clinton today. youill -- we will bring

live coverage at noon. you can watch it on c-span and here it on c-span radio or visit c-span.org to watch coverage. our next caller is jamie, clarkstown, michigan. what you think about hillary clinton's choice of tim kaine? caller: he is a good choice. to walk across file i get people to help him with bills. he has a good physique about him. he holds himself with dignity. and he christian man believes in the second amendment. i don't think you can go wrong with him. , theypeople calling in don't know what they are talking about.

i watched him since he walked on the senate floor and was sworn in. he has been a good senator for virginia. we cannot go wrong with tim kaine. paul, the republican line. go ahead. hello. i want to comment on your subject this morning, tim kaine as the selection of the vice presidential candidate for hillary clinton. animal another political who has been in politics all his life. he has never done anything else. is on the bandwagon with hillary clinton and the rest of the politicians. it is a good pick as far as republicans go. is the debate?

there is no debate left. the democrats have put forth a ticket that is nothing but the same political class over and over again. c-span understand why has decided this morning, i have been trying to call since 7:30. i don't know why they have decided to have an average of 10 to one independents, democrat calls to only one republican call. that is my comments. thank you. here is a story and politico about donald trump's response to hillary clinton picking tim kaine. he cast the senator as corrupt temp and attacked him for

supporting barack obama. tim kaine is hillary's vp pick. thirdlet obama have a term. contribute. attacked timalso kaine as corrupt. it is only fitting that hillary annton would select ethically challenged insider like tim kaine, who is personally benefiting from the rigged system. than $160,000 on free vacations, free clothes, and free tickets. taking your phone calls from pompano beach, florida. caller: good morning. i am a retired academic.

i have spent two years studying trade treaties, including the trans-pacific partnership. that, i cannot ore for hillary clinton senator kaine. to be one topic, but tim kaine is now making -- he is saying he is against it, except left a gapnial is where he can change his mind later on. mrs. clinton has done the same thing. she has left a gap big enough to drive a truck through.

is onerous inelf many ways. the most people in this country. i cannot bring myself to vote for either of them. who will you be supporting instead? it is kind of a hobson's choice. i may simply vote -- i oferstand the limitations , butepublican candidates to show my distaste for the republicans, i may vote republican, with no joy. i am unhappy with the republican candidates as well.

this would be a protest vote. host: next caller is from bedford, virginia. what did you think of tim kaine as a senator and a governor? caller: i don't trust him or hillary. they are both corrupt. they have their hidden agendas. they will say anything the place they are at once to hear. the next stop, they will say something different, just like when hillary gets caught doing something wrong, you have to drag her through the legal system until there is no records but to comply and she says c -- i have nothing -- and she says i have nothing to hide.

it is further nonsense about gun control they are talking about. it does not work. you look at places like l.a. and chicago, they are slaughterhouses. turn to stephen on the independent line. caller: hillary made a good choice in terms of the way that she would govern. it seems like a good matchup with senator kaine. the otherrespected on side of the aisle. legislation get passed. overall, i think she made a good choice. c arehings in our mocker like medicine. some don't work automatically.

they take time to work. if anybody has doubts about whether they should sit on the , the one thing that comes to mind for me, the balance of the supreme court is too important to sit on the sideline or cast a protest vote for. our last call for this morning comes from dunkirk, maryland. dan on the democratic line. all, a first of republican candidate taking to call themhave bribes. gift bribes. they would be on -- the press would be all over them. the other thing i want to

mention, when bill was leaving office, he gave a pardon to a $450,000 contribution to his charity. there must have been thousands of guys in prison doing the right thing, that deserves more than that guy. the justice department did not want him pardoned. that is all i have to say. dunkirk, from maryland, our last caller for this morning. at noon today, we will bring you live coverage of hillary clinton's campaign stop with tim kaine. at 12:00 be live eastern. you can watch on c-span or hear it on c-span radio. journal" "washington

will air from philadelphia. include tomll fitzgerald and we will speak and therendell committee chair for the democratic national convention and the speak with will bunch, a columnist at the philadelphia daily news. we will see you sunday. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> coming up next, donald trump excepts the republican nomination for president at the party nomination in cleveland.

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