of america's voting systems. reporter erg news zachary tracer on how health insurance providers are fairing the affordable care act. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. . sit ncicap.org] host: good morning, everyone, on this friday, august 12, two days after donald trump laid out his economic vision for this country hillary clinton also did the same yesterday in saying she e state too would reject the trade deal jobs and increased wages for americans. we wanted to get your thoughts on what hillary clinton had to about her economic vision. under $50,000, 202-748-8000. you make between $50-100,000 a year, 202-748-8001. you make over 100k, 202-748-8002. us a tweet @ cspanwj

facebook.com/cspan. we'll start that conversation in a minute. first, let's talk to the ecretary of state yesterday, who talked about the trade pack. host: it is true, so often past have been sold to the american people with rosy scenarios that did not pan out. hollow omises now ring in many communities across michigan and our country that factories close and jobs disappear. lobbied for anies trade deals so they could sell abroad. but then, they instead moved back into the united states. it is also true that china and countries have gamed the system for too long.

particularly during the bush administration, has been too lax. investments at home that would make us more competitive have been completely blocked in congress. and american workers and communities have paid the price. is not to rant and rave or cut ourselves off from the world. would end up killing even more jobs. finally make to trade work for us, not against us. --my message [applause] worker essage to every in michigan and across america is this: i will stop any trade or holds kills jobs down wages, including the transpacific partnership. [cheering and applause] it now. i'll oppose it after the lection, and i'll oppose it as

president. host: your reaction to the former secretary of state there talking about trade and the rest blue print.mic bill in delaware, good morning to you. what do you think of what she say? caller: i think the same old hing we're going to have we've had for the last eight years. you know what makes me mad? disability. i had to retire on disability with a bad back. nobody talks about social for the old people. hey had nerve to tie the thing up to the pole. that is ridiculous. there's people out there that old people rive and can't even make it and now she's going to raise taxes on everybody. yeah, let me tell you something. it's disgusting. it's a shame. for. who are you voting caller: on both sides, nobody says nothing about the people on people. ecurity, young host: who are you voting for in november? caller: it sure ain't going to be clinton. you that. i can't stand no more taxes. host: will it be donald trump? might.: it

i don't know yet. host: all right. dan in pittsburgh, good morning to you. conversation. go ahead. caller: hello. i just want to say that i'm a hillary supporter and i actually campaigned for hillary here, and i think that hillary's plan is going to work. i think hillary does is great. she's all for the middle class people. middle class because i collect disability insurance. something she does for the people that are on social security disability to help us, because we're not going a raise this year, and we didn't get any raise last year. years e first time in 37 that we didn't get a raise. dan, and the last caller talking about disability and social security and the caller talking about taxes, does not want to see taxes raised. florida ump was in yesterday before the national association of home builders, and he was critical of hillary taxes.'s plan on

here's what he had to say. donald trump: hillary clinton supported tax increases on the middle class her entire career. taxes 235d for higher times in the senate. i thought it was more than that. sound -- think of it -- she's voted for tax ncreases -- and by the way, she's proposing a big one today teleprompter , her speech. she's got -- laughter] . [applause] her speeches are so short though. they don't last long. they're like 10 minutes, let's get out of here. to sleep.me and go host: that was donald trump yesterday critical of hillary clinton's plan on taxes. tony in damascus, virginia, 100,000.er we're asking you to tell us what you think about what hillary say and also

donald trump earlier this week laid out his economic vision. to you. ing caller: good morning, gretta. i want to say, i'll take my hillary clinton believes in the american people. donald trump believes in himself and his croonies. he cares. for god's sake. made in uits, ties is china and he can care less about and minimum ers the or the people that make blue collar, hard-working people. he can care less. promises -- he's like a $3 bill or a $7 bill. he's fake, phony, a fraud, and a con artist. for god's sake, whoever believes him, they must be crazy. host: tony, those are your thoughts.

brooklyn. what do you think about these two candidates and what they're saying about the economy? greta.: good morning, it seems to me, having listened that she seems to elieve that the reason that this nation is in the condition that it's in is we lack governmentment. government,ve enough and the government we have is enough, and it doesn't tax enough, and it doesn't regulate enough, and in the as involved lives of the american people as it should be. it seems to be a government-centric belief that he answer to all our woes is bigger, more centralized, more powerful involvement. big-brotherish 4 type of thing and i find it we ghtening, and i also -- don't have enough legal immigration in this country. looks like europization of and i find it

frightening. host: while joe was talking, i as trying to find on factcheck.org which has looked at hillary clinton's speech and on the rump's speeches economy, donald trump says hillary wants to raise taxes on middle class. he's referring to -- and has put she will not.ng she was saying she will factcheck.org even contacted a linguistic to make sure that's what they heard, she will not raise taxes on the middle class. and then they say this: that to tax policy center analysis of clinton's tax plans tax te, nearly all of the increases would fall on the top 1%, the bottom 95% of taxpayers would see little or no change in their taxes under hillary clinton's plan. candy in clear lake, iowa. candy.rning, how are you, under $50,000. ahead. rning, go

caller: well, i am vertical, and that's about all i can say nafta and nton did that ripped our jobs away. and remember whitewater where they scammed everybody. so she's a thief and a liar. she takes money from everyone. my future is nothing. because she has boobs and it's about time -- guess what -- sometimes the best man a job is actually a man. and seriously she flat out -- she coined the term super black people so yeah, hello. she has hot sauce in her purse, with all the sauce she's got and going to put her husband in charge of our economy? i know trump is a monkey wrench and maybe that's what we need to washington. yes, he's a monkey wrench. qualified. he's not and the constitution, which i do daily copy of and i read

ith my bible, my dictionary, and it says all the people, by the people and for the people. what, he reads his twitter, actually, if he screws out his polls d have dropped, and he will adjust. can f he doesn't, we impeach him. a permanent it's situation. you her, guess what, once start shifting away our rights, where do you stop? it's like editing the bad words book.f a when do you stop taking out the entire library? host: candy, heard your point. paul in fort to lauderda lauderdale, florida. paul, good morning to you. we're talking about the economic out by hillary clinton following up on donald trump's speech that he made in detroit week.r in the caller: hillary clinton's insult to an is an

but especially black americans. to all of the black mothers and fathers who have struggled to their kids out of trouble get o get an education and ahead, what is hillary clinton's reward to those people? wheelbarrow on t project.structure this is an insult. she must think that black people are still just now emerging from reconstruction or something. doesn't she know there are there d black people out that need a job. she's waving her inger at bernie sanders debbie rs, when she has wasserman schultz as her campaign manager. does anybody really see through this? i really wonder. the worst the thing:

thing of the whole democratic plan is their model for business in the united states. let me tell you, you don't have economist to know that the secret to business expansion is, who gets the loan? okay. at the democratic plan. they're saying that a person who working on an infrastructure policy project that may be over three years is a better candidate for a loan than a for a new s working business that is thriving and expanding that will actually have a career. those two people, tell me, who's going to get the loan? most ignorant plan that anybody could have ever, up with. host: okay, paul. washington times explains it on their this morning front page. mrs. clinton promised an xpansive role for managing the government and u.s. economy calling for higher taxes to fund more infrastructure, more rein in wall o

street, a new phase of balmcare, a round of school construction incentives to get businesses to hire more blue collar workers manufacturing in the united states. echoed many banks from obama's plan calling for an infrastructure bank and a clean and still she kept the president at arm's length by very real economic challenges. tom, what did you think about to say? had caller: well, i think it's all a ham either way you go, whether it's republican or democrat. they say, oh, we're going to do his, do that, but they forget that they've got all the congressman, the senators that they've got to fight. can't see no help or anything for us. old.1 years i worked until i was 77. i don't know whether next month we'll following month

even have social security. they don't ever talk about doing anything for social onurity because they'll step -- tows st's toe fist because they'll have to pay higher social security. so this year i'm going to vote dogs because i feel i'll get more representation out get fromhan what we'll the political systems. host: bill in illinois. morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. i just can't believe that people are gullible enough to believe in mrs. clinton. previous speeches, she said that she wants to give illegals with subsidies. she wants to give everybody free college. -- and she dd up wants to give tax breaks to small businesses. hurting s not what's small businesses. it's all the regulations that this administration has placed on them.

you add up everything that she said she did, it would dollars, and s of we have -- 50% of the households n america today are on some sort of government subsidy. so who's going to pay for all this. if she gets elected, it's my become elief that we'll a third-world country because of the people 50% living off of 50% of the people and we'll just be increasing the trillions of by dollars. and her plan -- host: let me show viewers what creating say about jobs. she said that there's a role for so.private sector to do take a listen. host: here's something that you -- host: here's something you don't always hear from democrats: a big part of our unleashing the power of the private sector to pay.te more jobs at higher and that means, for us, creating infrastructure bank to get

private funds off the sidelines complement our private investments. 25 billion dollars in government seed funding could unlock more and really geton our country moving on our infrastructure plan. and we're going to invest $10 illion in what we're calling partnership erican to support american manufacturing and recommit to scientific research that can entire new industries. host: bill, are you still there? hear what she had to say there? aller: i heard what she had to say, but you have to understand, hat is not what is going to make america more jobs. if you -- just like raising the hour, m wage to $15 an they will find automation hire so they don't have to

as many people. there's so many things that , ople have to consider especially all the regulations on business. you can give business all the tax breaks you want and all the policies you want. got to get rid of most of the regulations that are on them right now. you might find this interesting, kathryn, who writes washington post: that there's no easy answer for displaced u.s. workers. this, that workers who got a raw deal, those who saw ripped from oods beneath them who feel left behind by an increasingly auto mated 21st century, they are predominantly men, , non-degree-holding many of whom lost stable middle class jobs in shrinking sectors coal.as manufacturing and to be fair, there's a good reason neither presidential candidate has proposed a for ehensive credible plan how to help these workers. it's really, really hard to come up with one, she writes. to say this:

subsidizing their retraining offers limited benefits, at from a fiscal perspective. it's certainly not impossible to teach an old dog new tricks, so speak, but retraining a worker who's a decade from etirement may not be the best use of public funds or that worker's time, especially ram pant ageism makes it difficult for older workers to new fields even when they get training. instead olution involves a promise to bring back these workers' jobs in coal manufacturing. this is a cruel promise to make, jobs are coal miners long gone. not because of regulatory urdens but because of technological advances that make more coal o extract with fewer workers at a much lower cost. and have promised tariffs ripped up trade deals, on the other hand have been forecast to start trade wars as well as recession.

he says also that clinton is now promising a bump in manufacturing just like donald trump, which is unlikely to help already laid off manufacturing much.rs that's because the kinds of jobs that the manufacturing industry has been adding and will likely to add look pretty different from the kinds that have been lost. innovation has turned u.s. increasingly into highly-educated white collar work. manufacturing f occupations in 2010 were with less d compared than a fifth in 1980. miami beach, florida. good morning to you. welcome to the conversation. what do you think about her economic plan? caller: yes, good morning. definitely good morning. thank you for taking my call. if we really want the best for plan untry, donald trump is much better. remember ronald reagan, is very similar to

what donald trump wants to do. has been the better resident, he has been the best president we ever have. since i am in this country, and legally, this country very discrete screening in the nicaragua industry. a private school in english. and i fell in love with this country. country. the it is a great country and i can see the way this country is being deteriorated. i am also -- and ronald reagan saved it at that time. nicaragua, the country became good again. after some of the presidents, especially the last eight years, the country go down, down, down, and we cannot lose this country because takeve me, when communists over other countries, we come to the united states. we become like venezuela,

where are we going to go? for ve to save our country our future generations. and what's happening, if we country,ke care of this we are going to lose it. host: okay, caller. all right. point.our john in spring, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. i live in the you woodlands, and in the woodlands, the average income and the woodlands over the last seven a year nt from $141,000 to $189,000 a year. over the last,000 several years. our market is at a record level. booming. host: is that because of oil and gas, john? or why is that? aller: when the stock market -- well, yeah, the oil business, yes, the oil business, can't imagine, you know, t's good down here, so i'm

going to vote for hillary. host: okay. do you think it will continue under hillary clinton but not trump? onald caller: well, i mean, donald going to add 2 trillion dollars worth of debt so i don't should happen. host: where did you read that. part of the e, and tax -- it's been mentioned on c-span and on your programs. okay. all right. john in spring, texas. in other political news, cnn had this story: inside the debate over probing the clinton they reported yesterday that officials from the fbi and the department of months ago several to discuss opening a public corruption case into the clinton u.s. tion, according it a official. at the time, three field offices an in agreement investigation should be launched after the fbi received notification from a bank of suspicious activity from a had donated to the clinton foundation. fbi officials wanted to nvestigate whether there was a

criminal conflict of interest but the state department and the clinton foundation during tenure.s the department of justice have ooked into allegations surrounding the foundation after release of book called "clinton cash", found to be unsubstantiated and there was insufficient evidence to open a case. that was in the washington times as well. page: somepost front gop donors are pouring money congress. for they mention billionaire paul spent any has not money for donald trump. he has shelled out more 7 since june to super packs backing congressional andidates instead trying to keep the majority of the republicans in the house and the senate. morning, times this zero. that is how much donald trump in taxes.aying it could be zero. no one should be surprised paid if donald trump has

far less, perhaps even zero some l income taxes, in years. indeed, that's the expectation of numerous real estate and tax as interviewed in recent weeks. even with hundreds of millions in gross revenue from his vast empire, it's both possible and legal that donald rump would pay little or no income tax, according to lee green, an accountant and group.n of the green mr. green is also a real estate babson r teaching at college, and the author of the entrepreneur's play boos book. as a prominentmp and active developer can take dvantage of some of the most generous tax breaks in the federal tax code to reduce his eported income to near zero or even report a loss. so that in the business section times this ork morning, if you are interested.

the number could be zero. and the wall street journal front page, they have the headline this morning, that the e-mail questions continue to on the campaign trail, talking about those that came out the other day from the request of -- because of the conservative watchdog group that e-mails.those "usa today" front page this morning with the headline: as rolls on, so do florida lawsuits. donald trump's lawsuits haven't presidential his campaign, perhaps most notably in the must-win battle ground of florida. a miami judge promised to pay at an a job at his and at a trialrt over claims that trump owes refunds to 60 something members jupiter golf club. goes on to say there are nearly reflects trump's blunt take it or leave it approach. headlines ome of the

on politics this morning in the wall street journal. back to calls on our about hillary clinton's economic plan. steven in south jordan, utah. it's your turn. thanks for waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. principles ernal that are applied and acted upon that have increased the social, economic values of individuals, communities and this nation. and a copy of these principles given to israel and are called "the 10 you look ts." and if at what has been done to the 10 commandments, we have turned inconvenience 10 shoe. if you look at our money it says we trust. we don't trust god anymore. nation under god anymore. that's why our economic problems -- that's why we're and g economic problems other problems in this country. and the biggest problem covetness. steven, what does it mean for you? who do you believe has the best plan? c

caller: neither one have a good economic plan. going to hat are you do in november? how are you going to vote? haven't decided yet. host: all right, steven. y the way, our producer found the story that caller was referencing. donald trump's budget plan would debt, that lion in being reported by cbs. their web d it on site. dawn in hern don, virginia. good morning. do you think about the economic vision of hillary clinton? caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. first of t to say, all, if you want to vote for filed bankruptcy five times, for this country, you need to think again. know what p doesn't economy is. he was a failure before, and he will fail this country. goes time this country down to the drain, a democratic thing out ulled this

and put the car on the road. host: how did they do that, john? democrats' bout economic principles that you think turns the economy around? that republicans don't do? caller: i'll tell you one thing: run a country that every time you become a cuts for the es rich. a lot of ry, there's billionaires. and they don't pay their taxes. one of the billionaires saying my secretary pays more tax than me, we have a problem. country, if you invest this country, we can do better. tell you something about americans out there. vision between the democrats and republicans. this is why we're going down the drain. that our believe country comes first. we're looking for everything time that our leaders have a problem, we attack them down.e put them

and they took advantage for thing.let me say one more i will say most politicians, you them after the election. see politicians we r the election comes, take our manufacturing jobs to china. hina becomes rich because american companies are moving to china. overseas to ians take american jobs in this country and we tell people we people to be ugh employees. that is a lie. here is a lot of people out there to do the jobs americans can do. to offer the ant saerl. host: i want to show viewers about what hillary clinton had about her vision versus donald trump for the economy. host: i'm running for president that works economy for everyone, not just those at the top. [cheering and applause]

what we know from the trump campaign, he wants his ca to work for him and friends at the expense of everyone else. plan toered no credible address what working families are up against today. or the on student loans cost of prescription drugs. nothing for farmers or communities, ral nothing to build a new future with clean energy and advanced agriculture. communities of color in our cities to overcome the systemic racism. nothing to create new people, ities for young just a more extreme version of the failed theory of with his wn economics own addition of outlandish ideas that even republicans reject. former senator from new york and secretary of state out her economic vision

two days after donald trump did it in the same state of michigan. of your calls coming up on what you had to say about what to say about creating jobs, taxes and the economic plans. headlines.ew the washington post this morn g shifting 81 million to vicka virus. the hhs secretary informed and the nih bbc were expected to run out of money by the end of august to ight the spread of the mosquito-born disease. nhs would back away from the development without the funds so they are shifting funds over while not in washington during this recess. then this from the new york times this morning: military distorted intelligence. this according to an interim report from the task force republican by the chairman of the house armed services committee, intelligence defense , and

appropriations subcommittee. they found widespread analysts ction among who said they were doctoring the assessments of america's efforts islamic state. central command known as is the military eadquarters that oversees the american military operations across the middle east and central america. members of the intelligence ommittee released their own findings on thursday that agreed with some of the conclusions of task force.an adam shift who's on that committee said their democrats no evidence that the white house tried to in order to com fit their conclusions to a preset or political narrative. front from ilitary the world news section of the wall street journal that kyiv is its military on alert over actions by russia and crimia. street journal said that because of the move that vladimir putin is making, mighte wondering if there

be an august surprise coming from vladimir putin. russia-backed forces into eastern ukraine weigh back the failure of iplomacy, and mostly restrains ukrainian self defense. more putin started a war in years ago in the wane being days of the bush to nistration, and may want stir more trouble as president door. obama heads out the kievobama's refusal to sell the legal weapons it needs to defend itself. back to calls. in california. thanks for getting up early for watching and calling in. go ahead. yes, good morning. thank you. host: good morning. caller: i just wanted to say if we want to increase and benefit our own economy, we really need to look at the situation because right now, our nation is facing an with that really deals

global issues as well. and if you look abroad, any republican, any democrat can look at the facts and half of living al population is on less than $2 a day. i've been ve -- and doing a lot of research about this -- if we invest in the third-world nations, if we increase u.s. aid, we're only going to see direct benefits for our nation because we will see irectly, we can increase in trade with these nations, and we'll also be supplied more u.s. jobs, because 45% of our exports re now going to developing nations. 1/5 u.s. jobs are export-based. if we can increase these numbers. even more jobs because we're engaging with these nations, we're helping poverty, we're going to see global security, not just economy, but global

security, our national security increase, and we'll also see our global economy be benefitted. really -- u.s. foreign aid is an investment. act. not just a charity but it's going to benefit our nation. it's going to benefit the global well.my as and it's also going to take care of a lot of our national security issues. madison.y, elizabeth in washington d.c. good morning to you. good morning. regarding hillary clinton it sounds really great on tried that, and we're still paying that off. successfulnot highly how so i'm not quite sure hillary's middle class plan is real well worked in the world. host: what do you mean we're still paying off tarp? still not paid off. they're still paying that off, the government is.

it's not -- it wasn't all paid out at the same time. things are paid at one time. it off., as they pay but if you go look and top, they're still paying bills and and that. it's an ongoing thing. host: for those of that you tarp -- this is the troubled asset relief program. passed in the last days of the george bush administration before president over and it was a program for the united states to assets and equity from financial institutions to sector.en its financial those have been bought back with companies, for those of you that want to find wikipedia and o other outlets about this bail-out that happened. more political news for you. the wall street journal this morning has this headline: while are leaving the

island because of the economic situation there, many of them are moving to florida. that means that both candidates are starting to the puerto ricans, tens of thousands of them that are in florida. in the wall street journal, olls show a close presidential race there, even though democrat hillary clinton has opened up leads. the poll shows mrs. clinton leading republican donald trump voters in a ikely two-way contest. mrs. clinton and mr. trump made stops in kissimmee, florida's e heart of puerto rican blooming economy. times, m the washington pence sent to pennsylvania to salvage the trump campaign. e is brought down in that battle ground state. polls released tuesday showed mr. trump down by 10 points in pennsylvania, 52% to 42%. both had low favorable ratings. clinton and 36% for mr. trump. and politco reporting this this

morning, that the trump team and in rnc are getting together florida today, and the campaign ource -- donald trump's campaign and top republican party officials planned what one come-to-jesus a meeting in orlando to discuss the republican nominee's campaign. though a campaign source dismissed it as a typical gathering, others described it as a more serious meeting with one calling it an emergency meeting. it comes at a time mounting tension between the republican campaign and the national facing e which is pressure to pull the plug on donald trump's campaign and down-ballotty funds to protect majorities endangered candidacy. politico reporting that this morning. ole call on this web site has this: henry reed in nevada on a conference call yesterday said democrats are considering forcing a vote on the supreme merrick minee judge

garland. they are considering forcing a vote on that. also this from roll call. the return of dick cheney's liz cheney, is expected to easily win the seat. primary for an open also story on capitol hill from it's all this morning, about roger williams, a congressman from texas, his ties an auto dealership has prompted an ethics review of how and has impacted him influenced the job he is doing here in washington. o those are some stories this morning covering capitol hill while members of congress are and ack in their districts their states ahead of the november elections. michigan.n dartmouth, good morning. how are you? what do you think about these economic plans? caller: good morning, greta. morning. d caller: yeah, the lady from washington d.c. kind of played thinking. i was

you know, the american public span.ch a short memory when the economy crashed when bush was just getting out and got in, doesn't the people remember all the shovel-ready going to fix ere our infrastructure eight years ago? now, our government spent of dollars on these so-called shovel-ready jobs, and our roads and bridges are still a mess everywhere, from coast to has been done. so with hillary it's just the old-same old. the people got to realize it's time for lawyers to stop running maybe a ry and businessman can turn it around. and why would the people vote a dishonest lying person? that's just my thoughts. host: all right, michael. what are your thoughts in canton, north carolina? caller: yes, ma'am. first thing, gretchen, on the

kissimmee, florida. "kiss-a-me", it's "kiss-immy." me. thanks for correcting caller: the guy from mas that is that just called, he was ultimately right. reporters in this country, we would get some truth. it up thatah brought obama had spent over $800 billion on our infrastructure. year, you had our former transportation secretary show.on your he said -- he bragged on being our ted $49 million for roads and bridges. y question to any democrat that's listening or any reporter is where did the rest of the money go? intouch of that money went the dnc? how much of that money went into cnn? money went into

ms nbc? and how much of the money went c-span? $49 billion. host: hold on, because i'm going to stop you there because i want everybody to hear this, including you. a handful ofded by pennies that you pay for your month.bill every it's a public service offered by the cable companies. so we don't get money from the government. we never have. it's offered by the cable companies. caller: okay. the reason i ask -- the reason i can't get an honest answer from nobody, not a reporter. or a when the government takes $825 money and says it's going to build and onlycture with it, uses $49 billion -- that's less our roads and bridges. you had donna edwards on there, maryland, tive from

saying we have 729 bridges in down graded that's and need work on. host: okay. those are terry's thoughts. e'll leave the conversation there for now. on a lighter note, i want to show you what the president sent vacation in martha's vineyard. his summer play list. he has a day time one and he list.has a night time play you can check it out if you us.low him on twitter @pot he has jazz, hip hop rap, and he's listening to this summer. we're going to take a break. when we come back, we'll discuss the voting system, and the latest in russia's role in the democratic he national committee. next, we'll be joined by who end william barber serves as president of the north carolina naacp and we'll discuss issues of morality in american politics. some of you may recognize that name. democratic t the

national convention, reverend barber spoke about the need to called the heart of our democracy. take a listen to a little bit of that speech. rev. barber: there have always een forces who wanted to harden, even stop the heart of our democracy. been ere have also always people who stood together, to dorothy day ry called the revolution of the heart, and what dr. king called radical revolution of value. i say to you tonight, that some versus rightt left or liberal versus conservative. wrong.re right versus [cheering and applause] to embrace our deepest oral values and push for

revival of the heart of our democracy. to reinstate the power of the voting rights -- [cheering and applause] -- and we break the nullification of the current congress, we in the south especially know when we do that, we are reviving the heart of our democracy. [cheering and applause] 15 and a ght for universal healthcare, nd public education, and immigrant rights, and lgbtq rights, we are reviving the heart of our democracy! trade policies

that no longer funnel our to the wealthy few, we are reviving the heart of our democracy. cheering and applause] legitimate the discontent of black lives we come together to in our criminal embracingstem, we are our deepest moral values and our ing the heart of democracy. [cheering and applause] when we love the jewish child palestinian child. [cheering and applause] the muslim and the christian, hindu, and the buddhist, and those who have no faith, but love this nation.

host: here with us now is the reverend william barber to talk you're saying, kind of mobilize people of faith to a moral revival. hat does that mean, a moral revival in american politics? guest: well, that's not actually a nuance. if you look at the abolition slavery, the end of that was a moral movement. if you look at the reconstruction movement, it was moral movement between blacks and whites and clergies to reframe america. at the social gospel movement at the end of the 19th to early 20th century. movement, teddy roosevelt and franklin roosevelt impacted that said in public square, our deepest concerns ought to be fair wages andhealthcare and education protect an environment, and votingy when it comes to rights. the civil rights movement had deep moral underpinnings.

believe, in 1967 -- this was before dr. looked at militarism, materialism, and racively. -- racism. he said we needed a radical of values, today. when we see a kind of -- an moral to limit the discussion to abortion, prayer in the school and where you homosexuality, and isgested that the better way deny y living wages, reform, voting rights and make gun to rybody can get a have a vote is an expression of moral values, our constitution, is justice, mercy, how you care for the least of hese, how you care for the vulnerable, how you embrace all people. those are the deep moral values hat we believe we need to recover that and in some ways challenging the attempt of the

so-called religious rite and so-called definition of evangelism to limit the moral that has been expanded based on our deepest values. host: how are you going about this revival? actually, i'm traveling -- it's interesting james, at the river simoan, ch, sister tracy blackman with the ucc church and myself, on a tour.n-wide over 20 something states between now and november why we are doing what they call the revival time for moral revolution of values. jewish persons have joined us, uslims have joined us, unitarians have joined us. we've written up a higher ground declaration. we've attempted to deliver it to the rnc, and they basically arrest us. when they saw that we're elivering it to the dnc, elivering it to governor and gubernatorial candidate. we have over 1500 clergy around the country who have signed onto his higher ground moral

declaration looking at seven different areas of public policy and declared that healthcare is moral issue, living wage is a moral issue, public education is a moral issue. health, environmental justice is a moral issue. rights, lgbt, equal protection under the law is a moral issue. host: all democrats? guest: no, no, no. that's one of the good things. i'm a part of the movement in north carolina that has spread a number of places. we had something like 1200 people go to jail, civil disobedience challenging extremism in north carolina. had 10-12% republicans and independents. other day from a republican who heard me spoke at the dnc saying thank you for this recovery. in fact, when you go back to the 1800s like 1868, it was lincoln republicans, not extremist that is we see today. lincoln republicans who pushed a moral agenda. roosevelt was a republican

when he said -- ensuring -- 100 years before president obama, ensuring healthcare for all citizens was issue.l he said that en public education was -- is important -- was a national security issue, and chief warren ruled on the '54 brown case, they declared it was with l issue along thurgood marshall. it's been -- but we've had battles. instance, you had this moral focus in the 1800s during reconstruction. then you had the redeemers that said we want to redeem the country from the sin of black and white fusion. they took to the limit. or you had the so-called moral attempted to limit the moral discussion after the civil rights movement had moral discussion once again and declared civil rights and voting rights and were all moral issues that we had to take up in the public. our constitution is a moral document. speak at the

democratic national convention, not at the republican national convention. one party is more moral than the other. host: i don't think you look at of just a party. i would have spoke at the epublican convention if invited. in fact, we're going a lot of places and challenging the framework. what i think: our constitution says the first "we" not "i." for can dy that says, "i alone do anything" is constitutional out of order, in the form of political idolatry. secondly, the constitution says justice, establish justice, the defense, the general welfare. welfare is in our constitution. tranquility. all of the moral tenets from hich we begin to be a more perfect union. our constitution confesses that we're not a perfect union. it.ave to work toward when you look at our deepest religious value. for me it's a christian.

testament, jewsd and muslims, or the new estament, paying people what they deserve, help lifting the healthcare, caring for the least of these, children, are all moral issues. say is when you examine any party or any person, you're not going to find perfection. perfect.s you look at are where those policies line up in terms of our deepest moral values. what i will say is that we list at least five. sustainability, addressing poverty, unemployment, which includes verything from infrastructure development to fair taxes, to a reen economy, to addressing warmongering that undermines our ability to help us here in this all, ry, healthcare for access to public education in college. dealing with the criminal in the justice system that impact black, brown and poor white eople and expanding and

protecting voting rights, lgbt rights, immigrant rights, and never giving up on equal under the law. that's the moral parameter. and when we look at policies, we this question: are these policies constitutionally consistent? defensible? ally and are they economicably sane? to calls.s get maryland, democrat, you are up here first for the rev lend. morning. caller: good morning, reverend, i want to say, hallelujah, i am in this fight. i was alive and kicking and part f the revolution -- the moral revolution of the 1960s. eep up the good work, young man. thank you. host: she mentioned something, the moral revolution. at times has always a to have a reframing of moral revolution. for instance i listen to mr. and what is interesting about that -- i think we miss it when we just focus on him. 1968 and back to

listen to george wallace's in ch running for president madison square gardens, you hear the same thing. yesterday, hefore said that president obama was the founder of isis. at the politicians that suggested it was president obama's fault. ook at the way in which they continue to fight against him. and look at how the strategy -- you cannot in rstand the moment we're now without understanding the southern strategy that was that ped by kevin philips as promulgated by nixon and even promulgated by ronald reagan. what we're learning in the moral in areas in ork north carolina like mitchell county. mitchell county is 99% white, 89% republican. but we have organizing up there. we have people up there saying republican, but i'm not an extremist. hour-lincoln republican. and i believe in the deep moral values of the scripture beyond hot-button issues.

in fact, when i go up there is it gretchen? host: greta. carry there's a bible i with me. it's in the car. poverty and justice bible. evangelical. 'm a theo logical evangelical, conservative liberal biblicyst, okay. n that bible, it marks every scripture that deals with love, justice, how you treat the least that.ese, the poor and all it's 2,000 scripture. 2,000. there are only about three or scripture that the so-called religious rite hangs its basis on. ow is it you say so much about what god said, and so little about what god says so much? we havehe question that to raise and i think we need that debate in this country. host: all right. from tennessee, independent caller. hi, richard. caller: good morning, greta. morning, reverend barber. guest: hey, my friend. listened to when you

made the comment about these ing the least of and the most vulnerable, and you to make one reference abortion. but i haven't heard -- i don't hear your idn't speech during the dnc, so i on't know what your stance is on abortion, and whether you allowed, if een opposed to abortion, would you to make that wed statement from the platform? guest: and there, again, is a good question. you have those who want to say, you stand on abortion is an evangelical position. okay, so let's work with that. it is possible for you to say you're against abortion. but you respect the right for a to choose. ou also do not throw away a person if they make that decision. and in addition to that, if if you going to be --

say, are you against the death penalty? pro-healthcare? because right now in this country, according to the arvard study that says for every 500,000 people that are enied a healthcare through the medicaid expansion, 2,000-2800 people are dying. there are 20-something states that have denied a healthcare. my state, for instance, have 500,000 people. according to that statistic, that means at least 2500 people since 2013 have died, have died. hat means thousands have died in those 20 states. not because god called them home. have cause their lives been aborted through the process of not receiving healthcare. but some of the people who deny the healthcare claim that they so-called pro life. you can't be prolife if you're you're living wages, if not pro-healthcare, if you're not pro-public education.

counter intuitive and that is what we mean by a moral critique. host: elcid in north carolina, democrat, your turn to ask a question. good morning. barbara, in rend ministers, and cordell west turned this state over to time publicans the first in 140 years, that the klan in they tate tried to do and didn't do, and we lost it, thing what -- one main is because they have run this pay-day lenders out of town, and marching to washington for healthcare. the problem is not in washington. in the state re house. and that marching -- if you're you call yourself marching and you don't know where you're marching to, you're just watching. that's all you're doing. guest: exactly right. hat's why the moral monday

focused on the state house. that's why 1200 people did civil house.ience in the state hundreds of ministers have joined us challenging our state denied ure that has healthcare, cut public education, denied a vote on living wages and passed the worst voter

that is deeply moral deeply constitutional anti-poverty pro-justice roll labor fusion movement that brings all people together around the moral agenda , not a left right agenda. host: we are talking with william barber, president of the naacp. guest: repair of the breach is an organization that spot sponsoring the healing of that nation. it is a traveling seminary and activism. we are training clergy of all different things and activists on moral analysis, moral articulation and moral activism. , left indiana yesterday activists were going to be here this morning. hold a28th we will

series of revival time for a moral revolution. we are receiving input. we were in boston a week ago and we couldn't even get everybody in. people know we have to have a moral conversation, a moral political conversation that is deeper than two or three issues that gets to the heart of the democracy. gary in seagrove, north carolina. a republican. just in reference to the criticism for donald trump, referring to president obama and hillary clinton as founders of isis which is kind of ridiculous. what will be the difference between him criticizing them and he was aaying

recruiting sergeant for isis. mediak if the mainstream would focus on the issues and quit along everything out of proportion that either candidate says we would get a lot clearer view of what this race is about. i think you are exactly right. i have been critical of mainstream media. we need to focus on the issue, the issues of economics and raising the living wages and public education and health care and reforming the criminal justice system. the 14 amendment is in the constitution. i also think we have to deal with racism and xenophobia. mr. trump started his campaign with racism, xenophobia, criticizing people based on their race. he started that way. i wonder what would have happened if president obama

would have started his campaign saying i want to build a wall. what would have happened if president obama would have said one or two of the things that donald trump has said. i wonder if president obama had said about president bush that he was the founder -- and the problem with this language about we in thiser -- country, what do we do to terrorists. we go after them. we kill them. languages dangers. remember george wallace? segregation, by the end of 1960 through medgar evers was dead and the president was dead. the founder of isis. donald trump. others have suggested it. the second amendment is about guns. then you say the president is

the founder of isis, five -- a founder of terrorism. what are you really saying? people pick it up and use it for justification for her rent is things. he now says he is being sarcastic about saying that. he makes an appeal to evangelical leaders saying, we need religious voters to get out info. guest: we do. the problem is the term evangelical has been co-opted. if you look at kevin cruises book, how it was created by the business structures, another book called the blessing of business, how corporate relations shape christianity. evangelical, the first

time you use the word -- you see the word evangelical in the bible -- not in the political realm -- is in reference to jesus and his first where he begins his summer with a critique of systemic politics. i have a problem with one saying that i am an evangelical. and so loud on the issue of prayer in the schools and where you stand on homosexuality and women's issues and so quiet on the issues of public education and health care. scriptures at the where the old and new testament, the majority of the concern when it comes to the public square is about justice, about how we treat the poor.

not an -- not a matter of public charity. yes, i am an evangelical. have allowed people to claim to be evangelical without bringing persons like myself for many others to be counted as that. if you claim to be an evangelical, your critique must be much deeper than i am voting for this candidate because of the way they stand on two or three issues. where did they stand on poverty and raising the living wage. he thought the living wage was are ready to hide. even though we have 64 million --ricans exempt? your church tax how is it that you can make a political's beach and maintain

that status? there because when i went i said i am not here representing the church or any other organization. i am a preacher and as a preacher i have a right to speak both as a preacher and an american in the public square, just like the prophets did in the bible area --. commanded, religion from a biblical standpoint, it was never meant to be quarantined inside the church and talk about your personal success and salvation. one of my teachers in the seminary dr. william turner said true evangelical is whenever you have been born, changed, it produces a quarrel with the way things are. think about what we would and

had -- have if we had not had religious figures in the public square. we would not have a's -- have , you have to help women who have been hurt up you do have to raise the middle wage. we would not have had a civil without dr. king, reverendtleworth, reed, one of the persons who was killed before the montgomery wok -- march reached montgomery. morale to have a morel -- critique in the public square. caller: good morning. i get for taking my call. reverend barber, i would like to question you about the validity of you as a reverent whereby you

use those scriptures in that book. but in that book as it pertains .o morality abomination, that is how sexuality -- homosexuality is described here do as a reverent promote that as an equivalency to racism and discrimination you are doing a disservice to black her best people and misusing the bible. you should be preaching about those individuals with that kind of inclination. you should be teaching them to -- repented your guest: we should have repentance in this country for the way we commit attention to violence against the pole -- poor. karen is scott king said race critique racism, and we know that wasn't within our

constitution. because black people know the impact of racism that watch you adjust it and put it in the document, you can go through 250 years of slavery and still not get it out of the veins of the country. and racism is america's original sin. we have to be against all forms of discrimination because we understand. there are african-americans who are gay. my brother mentions the one scripture. one you take one piece out and you lift it up and say the --ipture says a lot about that one scripture he mentioned it does not trump description. you must love your neighbor as yourself.

it does not say your straight neighbor, it says love your neighbor. disagreeinisters who theylgbt as a lifestyle, disagree was same-sex marriage, but they stand with us to say we are not going to allow hate to be codified in our law and that it is immoral. the bible's is you are supposed to care for those -- treat the -- any person it will to being a brother and a sister. acceptable.e don't get isolated, my friend, on that one issue where somebody can say to you that if you really want to be concerned mattersxuality, private , you should be concerned about i think, the sex that went on

what i call the judicial immorality, the illicit relationship between big business and the supreme court that produced the illegitimate child of citizens united. that's a metaphor. the bible talks about that when the government or leaders go pouring after another got. anytime leaders cater more to cupwealthy and to the great the bible called it going horny. -- going whoring. --'s never get up enough give up on the 14th amendment. i am looking at this beautiful sunshine. i love god. he allows that sun to shine. he says are not going to let it shine on straight people or on

people who don't have a green card yet. that is the grace of god. the sideg to stand in of love, grace, and mercy. host: massachusetts, a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. this country was founded on separation between the church and the state. the problem is we have too many preachers dealing with the state , and reversed the same way. in carolina, your preacher and an activist. that is a conflict of interest. trump, all you southern allow politicians to

come into your churches and preach. it will corrupt your church. does,time like hillary i'll tell you the truth about my brother. i watch what you preachers due to donald trump. hillaryou vote for before the message even started. how could you do that? i don't know the preacher the guy was talking about, that's a generalization. movement moral monday -- we have criticized democrats and republicans. i would not normally be doing this, but one of the things, i , ir the senate -- racism an easyecision, not

decision, to speak and talk about embracing mrs. clinton. no candidate, i don't care who they are, we will find a messiah candidate. we the people have to stand up in a gauge. words theseme truths to be self-evident that all persons are created urkel -- equal. a preacher wrote that, not thomas jefferson. he wrote that in the post-slavery reconstruction congress. he joined with a guy by the name he joined as a moral and constitutional writer. think where america would be if our preachers have

not taken the time from william lord garrison, henry thoreau, dr. king, dorothy day, mother bishop tutu and so many others. i shudder to think what this country would be if at time somebody did not stand up and say, this issue is not democrat or republican. it is not left versus right. it is about what is right versus what is wrong based on our deepest moral and constitutional values. host: jacksonville, florida, independent. caller: good morning. this is a comment. yesterday they had the unemployment figures out and it showed that amongst black youth at the highest rate, no scums american hit -- next comes

hispanic. that the asians have a better employment rate out of all three groups. maybe c-span or your group can do a study and find out why the asians families are outperforming ours in the job market. i will take the answer of the air. maybe you should do a study on that and find out what they are doing that we should be doing. guest: that's interesting. i think we need to do is look at what we are doing in this society. was -- he never finished because he was bringing together blacks and whites and latinos in saying we needed a marshall plan in appalachia where there was poverty and in the urban cities, a marshall

plan just like we did for europe. if we didn't do it we would end up with segregation and all kinds of things. he said we needed to pull out of the vietnam war and use that money to restructure. you have to look at a number of things. if the minimum wage had kept pace with inflation it would be well over $15 an hour, yet we have seen corporate leaders salaries rise to 300 or 400 times more than that of the average worker. that's a problem. are 64 million people making less of a living wage. you have people who argue if you raise the living wage it will hurt business. that's the same argument i made when franklin roosevelt -- any

corporation that will not pay the citizens a living wage is not fit to be in american society, that's what he said. people called him a socialist. we have work to do. if you look at higher ground weal declaration cup --, talk about doing infrastructure because it puts people back to work. we talk about health care and .ublic act -- education we talk about immigrants rights and we get a clear pathway to legalization. we have economic impact as well. we talk about fair tax reform. we talk about a green economy and how we must use that to strengthen our economics. we have some real work to do.

think it's about pitting one against the other. you have to look at racism and out of in which jobs are the community. you have to look at the way to get the jobs in the communities, looking at public transportation . what we need is a focus on andening to the economy that means lifting from the bottom up. if you lift from the bottom up every buddy -- everybody rises. host: were you thinking about more towards sen. sanders: for hillary clinton got the nomination? eitheri wasn't leaning way. i was focused on pushing against the limited moral conversation of so-called evangelicalism.

pushing a moral agenda out into the public square and getting a focus. i challenge both candidates on a number of issues and one of the is we have not talked about, 52 years after the signing of the voting rights act, the attorney as lessof this country in 1962.an we have gone backwards. after shelby we have seen the worst attack on voting rights we have seen since the 60's to the congress of the u.s., mcconnell, had a 1000hers have day filibuster refusing to fix the voting rights act once the supreme court court put it in

the hands of congress. we are talking about a congressional filibuster that lasted over 1000 days. that is a democratic crisis of our democracy. not been fixeds so section five has been in place. host: our democratics -- are democrats talking about enough? guest: we are beginning to get more talk. mrs. clinton talked about it in her speech. there is now a caucus in the capital, congress talking about restoring the voting rights act. either we as a people, we have to push and keep mobilizing. in the last few weeks where we have seen these cases, these are proven that the courts was wrong when it said with moved on. we knew the full protection of the voting rights act.

host: at in greenbelt, maryland. go ahead. caller: good morning. goldsboro, north carolina,. my mother was a member of the first sure -- baptist church street on to congratulate you, you are doing a good job. languagend the english . good job at the democratic convention. i was proud to see you there. scientist at this race right center. i speak german and also spanish. the thing is, one thing i am

, when you travel and go down south you pester towns and so forth and you try -- you pass through towns and so forth. some places you don't hit c-span. host: we're running short on time. do you have a question? right-wing broadcast media. charles koch in 73 spoke and said they were going to invest the gate -- invest in candidates anymore. they wanted to create stations that could push their brand of politics and propaganda.

think we cannot walk away from engaging in the media. we cannot walk away from this moral frame. we cannot walk away from challenging the conversation about what is even john -- evangelical politics. in -- is a law student who will be dealing with environmental policy. that's another area that we have to deal with. protection of our environment is a moral issue. of the book, the third reconstruction. let me put that under the camera. the rise of the new justice movement. thank you for the conversation and thank you for being here. guest: thank you, god bless. we wille we come back talk about the hacking that went on at the democratic national convention.

will be right back. c-span 2016 buses in chicago this week. is most important to you, your district or your state? >> i'm from the great citizen of dakota. i am here at the convention, the number one issue that i believe will face north dakota is the expansion of medicaid. many in the legislature oppose it, and it will be an interesting session. thank you very much. >> i'm a legislator in the

district of columbia. talk about an important issue for the residents of the district. in addition to voting for president we will be voting on self-determination. we are getting out the vote to show everyone that we want to be the 51st state. , we like everybody else serve our community and serve our country and we want the same representation. raising wages and benefits for all workers, salary and wage or so we can lift the floor and grow the economy. at theexcited to be convention today. this federal election has been an upsetting want to follow. as a female i am excited that we have a viable female as a candidate and i can't wait to see how she does. >> i am a representative from the louisiana.

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university. talk about the security hacks around the voting. we learned yesterday that this is wider than the democratic national committee that whoever , it may have also breach personal accounts. guest: thank you for having me. that theor certain advanced the dnc at persistent threat, was in the dnc computer system for over a tor and there may have been advanced system threats simultaneously operating without knowledge of each other. probably two different agencies of the russian government. one threat related to the kgb and the other to the gru.

no surprises at all that they would be interested in personal accounts and many other sources of information related to the political process. host: whose personal accounts are we talking about? guest: i would be surprised if there were any dnc officials or political -- anybody involved in politics today that wasn't targeted by foreign intelligence. there's a difference also spies -- spyimate , of knowing what is going on in america, and what rush is doing with the information -- russia is doing with the information, selectively releasing it, which is putting it out in the public sphere, putting it through the organizations.

we don't know that it hasn't been altered is another issue. whether it isa the genuine article. we know some of it is the jen welter article -- genuine , because we get apologies and so on. some of it may also be doctored and forged. somebody is playing games with the elect for a process. host: how do we know it is russia? what do they want to do? guest: they are trying to increase their freedom of action in the world. they have had a long-standing toolkit engaging and information. it goes back over a century, --y forged and anti-somatic

they did phone eight resistant -- resistance movements, the centers in a place where they could be captured. they found -- they funded theories that -- the moon landing was faked, they anti-vietnam war movement, whatever the merits of that movement, they thought it was a good investment fighting a proxy were with the united states to fund the peace movement. they spent money bankrolling the entire vietnam movement than they spent directly -- sent directly to the vietcong. they have always engaged and a policy of information warfare, putting out misleading

-- skewedn, screwed information that causes us to be less eager to participate on the world stage. nato,ould love to weaken the european union. all this is to improve their freedom of action the world. in the last 10 or 20 years they have taken to the internet as a way to amplify their message, and to do it even more effectively. host: jeh johnson earlier this concernked about his that there could be interference in this electoral season system. here's what he had to say.

i do think we should carefully process our election critical infrastructure, like the financial sector, like the power grid, the election process contributes to -- there is a vital national interest in the election process. we need to consider whether it should be considered by my department and others critical infrastructure, which has several implications. it becomes a part of our focus. there are some short-term long-term things i think we should do to bolster the cyber security process. we're considering communicating with election officials across the country about best practices in the short term. there are some best practices

that exist, and i think we need to share those best practices with state and local officials soon. i think there are probably longer-term investments we need to make in the cyber security election process. there are various different points in the process that we have to be concerned about. this is something that we are very focused on at the moment. host: why is he concerned? guest: i think he has good reason to be concerned. the concerns need to be kept in proportion, but voting machines are not very secure. they are typically just normal pcs running a specialized interface. to malware,ceptible easy to hack. fortunately, i don't believe we use anymore election machines that are connected to the

internet, so that is an improvement. honestly, it would be very difficult for a foreign government to radically change the outcome of the u.s. election. i think nevertheless, moving away from these electronic machines and maybe even moving back to paper ballot. how this all started, after the 2000 election, congress passed the -- voting and appropriated a lot of money for voting machines. including some voting machines that didn't have a paper trail. ,hat did not produce a receipt purely electronic voting and a handful of states. have otherstates , one system ine

one county and another in another county. think election officials around the country are thinking maybe they made a little bit of a mistake and going all electronic signal good. host: james and mississippi, independent. caller: good morning. i wanted to add to the in man, what do you think about debbie wasserman schultz and the e-mail , and most of the media, especially cnn, talking about russia. i am looking at america also has a hand and going into other political politicians campaign and other countries. but in this particular case, bernie sanders refused to say dammedg about the

e-mails. these e-mails are very serious about these campaigns. the media does not focus in on the the evidence. bernie sanders was already chosen by the democratic party. host: that's a separate issue. we focusing on the technology aspect of it. eli dourado is a policy program director at george mason . willsity mercatus center keep it focused on that. i got my alabama, good morning. caller: good morning.

ofaking of the hacking american computers, donald trump made a statement that he hoped hillarysia would hack clinton's e-mail, which i think was out of character as well as stupid. why do you tell the left-hand what the right hand is doing or however they put it? russia in recent years try to interfere with other countries elections? guest: absolutely. especially in the baltics and balkans and eastern europe. the have been very active with propaganda.

from --d to provide -- promote islamophobia. they have become insular and cause division within countries, it sort of suits or interest. with regard to state department e-mails, it's likely that russia is in possession of some of those e-mails to my think. that secretary clinton used may very well have been compromised. i would not be surprised if it came to light in some point during the election at a strategic moment were released. that we can necessarily trust the contents. agent wanted to

create the maximum amount of chaos, i would release them in october and more incriminating than in the original e-mails. they would be difficult for her to deny in the weeks that to the election. be on the lookout for additional e-mails and be suspicious of them -- what is an initially reported about what is in them. we have to be careful and reserve judgment. gru is the russian military , kgb is the unit unit that is most familiar to americans. they are responsible for gru does security and

more internationally. how sure are you that russia did the hacking? 50% or 100% or somewhere between? saysd an article that there is a possibility that a criminal group, hungry or romania, that gets old of this information for blackmail purposes. say 100%,ould not much much higher than 50. well into the 90% range at this point that it was russia. the way we attribute these weacks to various actors is figure out the digital fingerprints of the type of attacks they are using. we correlate them with on

another across time. i think i said earlier, these groups have penetrated the inferve names that we from these digital fingerprints, and we knowtt 29 from previous attacks is likely that these were russian units. host: russian hackers, how does that compare with u.s. ability to do the same? guest: very good. for a long time, the u.s. we were much better. we are backing off the claim. up about -- they are about as good. u.s. has some advantages but

they are very good. host: has u.s. done the same in russian politics? guest: it would not surprise me to know that the u.s. has spied on political candidates or politicians in russia or any country in the world. that's part of legitimate spy craft. what is different about this is the release of the information in a way to embarrass the politicians, to cause a little bit of chaos, the election system, undermining democracy. that is what is unique about russia's activities. and it is something that no other country does. mark and bus to come independent. what do you think, mark? things,a couple of really fixated on the russians.

a cold war type of thing. in any case, julia a signed is the person who released these e-mails. e-mails,d read these it shows collusion with the media and the dnc. that's one thing, you should and sets rich,s, the person in the fbi who is the assange put, julian out a -- on his murder. likely who is most -- guest: my claim is not that these e-mails were dr.. red.cto

wikileaks could be doctored and very strategic's -- documents could be leaked. the dnc seems to have colluded bernie sanders campaign from taking off. that is a legitimate grievance ,hat they will have to work out that dnc officials have apologized for. they will have to resolve that. murder of the the dnc staffers -- stafford, i theoryhis conspiracy that it was the dnc that did it is exactly the kind of doubt that the russians are trying to so in american politics. host: their family and the

police have come out in recent days and said there is no evidence of that. guest: there is no evidence of that. planting these stories on are a little bit conspiratorial is a strategy the russian government has used. host: minnesota, democrat. you are next. caller: i wondered why there is no news about the russians hacking the republican party, and why or how donald trump knew about the democrats supposedly being hacked, and where the e-mails refer to the democrats. that sounds suspicious to me and it sounds to me like the republican party may be part of the collusion. .hey may have started this

know if theto republicans have ever been are they the russians, not being hacked because of the relationship between pugin and donald trump? vladimir putin and donald trump? guest: they are an equal opportunity intelligence collection. for whatever reason, their -- they found it in their strategic interest to release the democratic e-mails and not the republican e-mails. i think it is not that they haven't been hacked, it's that they haven't been leaked strategically. host: baltimore, michigan, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. my question is it would be naive arehink that all countries

attacking other countries to see what is going on. my question is, is america hacking other countries? if they are, what agency in our government is doing it? guest: it is almost certain that the united states is hacking almost every country in the world. thearily this is done by national security agency. much of the information about these programs was released through the snowden documents in 2013. absolutely, we are engaging and espionage and every country does it including the united states. stress that what is happening with the dnc hack is something different.

it goes beyond espionage and goes into what the russians have called for a century active measures, taking active measures in the country to manipulate the public through selective or in formsases very misleading of information and disinformation. host: how do you research this stuff. to knownow you're able the signatures of a russian hacker versus other countries? -- i am notnew doing the forensic on the computer systems. it's how information can be used as a weapon. just reading a lot of history about the soviet union and how they did it. as you may note that kate gb -- with the soviet union,

but they just change the name of the agency and called it something else. they are using a lot of the same tactics. came up to the kgb and was the head of it before he became president. about theents internet, about how to regulate the internet are consistent with the spirit he said that no illusions that you can block everything, he doesn't want to censor, he said we have to work more effectively in this area in order to get our views are. that is the strategy they have use. good morning. havingnversation we are to rush it takes me back to the 2012 elections.

remember when mr. romney and mr. .bama were having a debate mr. obama was laughing at mr. romney. how come nobody is laughing now? there seems to be a lot of stuff going on now. they made fun of mr. romney over this. that's a good very good point that mr. romney has indicated -- has been vindicated by that comment. one cyber security specials -- some security professionals have they are was right,

being very proactive in the cyber domain as it is called. it's unfortunate to be proven right, sometimes. host: and the headlines today in the lust or journal, military alert over crimea.

host: stephen indianapolis, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning thank you to for taking my call. , like theattack previous caller, they would do anything to win this election. this shows the desperate mess of the republican party -- .esperate mess cyber attacks on our own political system come as fine with them just to win some tight -- points. the words to matter. donald trump calling on russia and with julian assange, i'm sure he's welcome to help both e-mails. host: what about wikileaks role in all of this? guest: that is a fascinating

organization. they defy easy categories of good and evil. they are very interesting. i am fred some of his writings from a decade ago -- i have read some of his writings from a decade ago. very skeptical of authoritarian .overnments he would classify the united states as authoritarian. he wants to undermine the ability of authoritarian organizations to operate, to deal in -- and engage in conspiracies. he thinks by leaking documents he can force these organizations not to be -- to become less transparent, to be less nose ofent -- cut the the conspiracy out of the picture and make it less effective or in that is his strategy.

it's very interesting. this point is being used as a tool of the russian state. tool of they as a russian state to advance our agenda. host: raleigh, north carolina, a republican. caller: i just want to say to the caller who say trump and pugin have a relationship -- vladimir putin have a relationship. they don't have a relationship. for your viewers, if they want to know what is going on in america and around the world they need to look up the new world order and that host: will answer all their questions. host:an atlas, and independent. is the my question mystic security policy. we put out a framework for

infrastructure. i'm curious if you think there should be a mandated baseline for cyber security both for companies to practice and for the products they put out or should it be incentivize? guest: i think there's a lot we can do on cyber security policy to do a better job. i'm generally skeptical that government standards -- this is what you have to do, you have to meet certain criteria. that doesn't tend to work out very well. this is a dynamic field. clear problem that we have had is that we have underestimated the cost of ofhholding the disclosures computer vulnerabilities from companies and vendors that are providing products. when the u.s. government, the nsa, the best people in the

world discover a new vulnerability in doesn't automatically get reported to apple to microsoft or apple, cisco, whoever the vendor is. they go through a process to decide, can we use this offensively? or we could also disclose it and get the vulnerability fixed. benefit, also. which one has the higher set of benefits. onhave consistently erred the side of using it to spy on other countries without keeping american systems safe. one thing we should about is get very serious every time we find a vulnerability, immediately disclosing it to vendors and getting our systems patched. host: mark, d.c., democrat. to bring up a

couple points. we are talking about russians hacking the dnc e-mails. affecting elections. not doingend we are this to every other country in government, wer are living in fantasyland. dangerous, the media and the united states. i have been a lifelong democrat, but i am losing faith. the way they manipulate and spin what is happening and affecting elections, you have nine out of 10 media sources are all liberal and they are looking to do nothing but stir up trouble when it comes to race relations. it comes to burying a conservative anyway they can. media and hollywood, and every part of the education

system affecting elections. a span of bias in our media. it is sinful. c-span, cnn, msnbc, fox news. host: allen, good morning. i do not believe we know who hacked us. i don't think we do. barrisr did, does not a -- does not embarrass us. hillary does a great job on her own. these e-mails don't have to be doctored. they are going to explain to everyone what is going on here. i suggest people quit protecting hillary. there are going to be more e-mails coming out. they don't have to be doctored. they are going to explain what has been going on here. let me ask eli about

russia's capabilities. what other countries out there spying and are good at it? countries, the united states, russia, china, israel, some of our european partners. the kinds of strategies these other countries have gotten are very different. for strategic reasons decided not to engage in the u.s. election. they have their own view of what the best candidate would be. they are not involved in the u.s. election the same way. toterms of countries able

attacks using cyber security systems to affect physical damage, it is only the u.s. and israel, it is only the u.s. and russians with a steel plant. nongovernment entities, some of fairly sophisticated . budget required for a persistent threat. something out of their reach, typically. an individual hack might be pulled off by nongovernmental organizations that can be very impressive.

at the same time, in terms of these repeated threats, it tends linked actors. host: mary, tennessee, a democrat. wrong number -- i am not sure. we will move on. randy, georgia, republican. good morning. good morning. mr. genius there, i guess we are taking everything you are saying as fact. i have not heard anything that is fact that proves russia has hacked anything. i think you are a democratic hack. what do you know about encryption? the possibility hillary's server had encryption on it. it hasn't.ng it would make it easy to hack. anst: encryption is

excellent tool and we should use a more of that. i was dismayed earlier this year when we had an issue about encryption on smartphones. that the clinton server had encryption on it. i agree that it is very likely it was breached and that the e-mails were available. how is it that when james comey testified, he said it is likely it could have been compromised, but there did not seem to be evidence of it, or it is difficult to find evidence. why is that? and are very good at covering their trail. leave some fingerprints.

track them. we get an you cannot absolutely 100% verifiable calling card without them making a mistake. robert, clayton, missouri. caller: good morning. familiar.s so watergaterush up old and break them out of mothballs? every time they get in trouble, they come up with a new scheme and blame the russians. this sounds like the republican

party when they are fearful of losing. it is unbelievable. i cannot believe what i'm hearing this morning. i don't believe it was the russians. host: what are you watching for going forward? shed more light on what happened with the dnc hacking and the state department. guest: even the dnc information gleaned from the dnc hack, not all of it has come out yet. i think that will come out in a drip. e-mails, from her time at the state department and clinton foundation documents. those are things i would expect

to see. as we get closer to the election, the thing i would worry about is manipulation of the public. commons credence to the set of donald trump loses, the election would be rigged. russia would benefit from a loss in faith in the u.s. electoral system, they want to call us hypocrites. they want evidence we are corrupt. we are not as squeaky clean as we say we are. to point to us and say they are therefore democracy, they are not really. it is all rigged. looking forward to seeing that.

thank you for being here. guest: thank you for having me. we willen we come back, be joined by zachary tracer, talking about the affordable care act as major insurance providers will out of public insurance exchanges. we will be right back. up, on c-span3, saturday evening, barbara how wemmer talks about can chart the history of american slavery. >> we have to spare -- spend a fair amount of time with frederick douglass and the power of self representation. the power for

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>> for our complete schedule, go to www.c-span.org. here to give us an update on the insurance providers is zachary tracer. joining us from new york this morning. insurance companies have been in the news lately. why. have seen the five biggest talk about how they are from selling plans to individuals under the affordable care act. what prices people were going to pay and what their options are going to be. they will have a nice set of choices among different plans or whether they are going to have a few choices going into the

fourth year of the affordable care act. host: why are they losing money? guest: i don't think we know the complete answer yet. the insurers say the population to be sicker than they expected, people going to the doctor more. expected as the affordable care act got off the ground. what we are seeing is the population has turned out to be sicker for longer than people expected, using care for longer than more expected. haveer and healthy people not come into the market quite as much as they hoped. host: what are these large inurers saying they will do response to this costing them more than they initially thought? guest: you have seen united pretty much exit the market. in 2017, they are only going to

sell affordable care act individual insurance plans in three states. they were in 34 this year. it is a big retreat. humana is scaling back a bit. aetna has said they were going to expand the five new states, they have scrapped those plans and are saying they are evaluating how much they want to be in the 15 states they currently do sell insurance under the affordable care act. host: what does that mean for the american consumer, the , and what does it mean for the consumer in the affordable care act and those who get their insurance through their employer. ? guest: for folks in the act right now, if you have a plan from united health, one of the states they are exiting, you will get a letter or notification your insurance is going away and come november 1,

you will have to pick a new plan . even if your carrier stays in the market, people on the to watch how the plans change, what the rates will be for next year, whether they are going up. we have seen broad estimates that rates might go up 20% next year. .hat is quite a jump folks get subsidies in the affordable care act, so that will help people afford their coverage. vary based on each person's situation, how much more or less they will pay next year. host: how do the subsidies work? for people under 400% of the federal poverty limit, a family of one under about $50,000, it goes up. larger family, you will get subsidies to help you afford insurance. if you are closer to the poverty

toel, you get big subsidies help you afford insurance and that deductibles. as you make more money, the subsidies go away. for the folks 138% under poverty, there is also the medicaid program. it very state-by-state. subsidies help people afford the insurance plans. host: we want to get our viewers involved. this is how we have divided the lines. if you get your insurance through the affordable care act, (202) 748-8000. if you get it through an employer, (202) 748-8001. if you are uninsured, (202) 748-8002. administration responding to what insurance companies are saying about leaving some of the states and that rates are likely to go up? pointsthe administration out the law has had real

victories, something like 20 million people who have insurance because of the affordable care act who otherwise would not have had it. that is a real gain. it should not be overlooked. they will point out these about eight and 10 people who buy through the affordable care act get subsidies. those are helpful to people that get them. have talked about taking steps to improve the market, whether it is to do advertising to get people to come in, to changes, tochnical cut off some of the things the insurers say is losing them a lot of money. limited inmewhat what they can do. an election coming up. what happens in this market is going to depend on who is elected. host: the fourth sign-up starts up right before the election and

ends before the next president takes over. november 1 the exchanges open for business. the sign-up period runs past the end of the year. people are going to sign up as this administration is taking office. we could see some interesting depending on law the presidential election and the congressional election. richmond, texas, uninsured. good morning. my employer, under the affordable health care act has cut back on our hours. .verybody is working part-time they have two shifts of people working part-time. they have saved the cost on the health insurance.

now i cannot afford health insurance because my hours were cut back. i am not going to be insured. irs toiting for the come in and take me down because i don't make enough money to r findaxes to pay thei that they are supposedly not going to charge me. the only option is to put me in jail. fine.let's talk about the the fines have increased over the years. guest: the fines have increased over the last few years. anywhere from 500 to $600 to a few percent of income. if you don't pay taxes, you may not pay the fine because of how it is set up. not a tax advisor. they have taken steps so folks who are not paying taxes will not end up paying the fine.

, hoping tore getting get money back from the government, may see that reduced by the fine. gracie, tennessee, gets her insurance through her employer. there have been a couple of things that affected us. i am in the medical field. the first thing was the premiums , though we were grandfathered in, went up 33% last year. and more the year before that. haveatient's we attend to had to pay higher deductibles, and they get this free annual exams, they still have to pay for their labs and that has been a shock to many because some of the labs go up to $800 unexpectedly and i have to deal with those phone calls daily. patients thought they were

going to get a free well woman exams. this aca has been a disaster. for theto pay more coverage of our employees and they have to pay higher deductibles and copayments and they don't get the coverage they were used to getting. tracy.k, have you heard similar stories? guest: a lot of people have gained insurance and a has requirements that employers offer insurance. it hasn't done as much to lower costs for people, deductibles have continued to go up, premiums continue to go up. this has been a big issue on the campaign trail. hillary clinton says she wants a more limits on how much people would spend out-of-pocket. it is an issue and a pain point for people in terms of how much the insurance costs, how much it

gives you. host: nancy, philadelphia. i have a question about my united healthcare retiree insurance. how will that change in the do you know? you toi would encourage talk with the folks who provide the policy. the fact that united is withdrawing from states for the affordable care act plans does not mean they are leaving other markets. from them or plan humana, as a retiree, through a work place, those plans are not going to be affected by the news we have been discussing. companies would

-- it is getting expensive and they are leaving some states. what are they saying about changes that either the administration or congress would make that, would make it a better financial situation for them. one thing they are pushing for us to be allowed to charge higher rates. as we were talking about regulators ines, a lot of states are saying how much we let insurance increase their rates. the other thing is they want in --rograms under the the affordable care act designed to shift and adjusted these new markets. the insurers have said they haven't quite lived up to their they are asking for some changes to those programs, particularly around how these

programs deal with people who are really sick, who have high medical bills. the administration has talked about different ways of moving funds around among insurers. we have not really seen that so far. that would help, too. michelle, for gibson, oklahoma. you get your insurance through the affordable care act? caller: yes, ma'am. i am lost at the overwhelming amount of worker's comp. cases in retirees that have faded away , people unaccountable receiving their retirement receive half of their retirement and they are basically told this is not good enough and we will take your money back. you are getting something now, so deal with it and go on.

is changingurance again and insurance companies are leaving different states. of course they are. they don't want to be accountable, finally. zach tracer, why don't you take that? state-by-state picture varies. it is one of the important things to remember. from going to be different washington, d.c. to new york. for folks to understand what is going on in each local market, it is tough to encapsulate that on tv. host: in every state, there are regulators. ofy have their own regulator

insurance companies that are in their states. even as part of the federal exchange? guest: every state has an .nsurance regulator the regulators perform different functions. want very say they little to do with the affordable care act and other states have taken a robust role in terms of their own exchange, dealing with the rates that are set. .t does vary by state we will keep an eye on the market given the number of people affected. gets rich, virginia, insurance through the affordable care act. caller: just to correct you, i am paying for my son. jobs.between

the affordable care act does not work. you have to go to market place and there one offer, blue ross blue shield -- blue cross blue shield. to $6,000 if500 you need the care, that is what you are having to fork out. once you reach that level, you don't get a copayment option. you have a deductible. when you have to start using the what itle, depending on is therefore, it might only cover 25% of whatever that cost is. you are already forking out $5,500 or $6,000. you are under a certain dollar amount before you can even get american care. there is so much deception on the information that is being presented. it is sad. host: do you try --

caller: for all of those that do not have the option for government employment, and you are right, it is state-by-state, that i wish they would give more clarity. there is nothing for virginia except marketplace with one option. host: does the administration still have places where you can you can callumber to try and get clarification about the exchanges? healthcare.gov is the central place with a lot of information. your state has its own shopping place, you go to healthcare.gov. they will send you there. to the point made, it shows some of the struggles folks are still facing.

there is the need for people to be reconsidering provisions to get more help to people. you get your insurance through your employer, go ahead with your question or comment. guest: you are doing a fine job -- jober: you are doing a fine pureed with the pressure of big companies looking to pool the can weble care act, enhance the effort to get a single-payer system or do you think it will be detrimental and does it depend on who will win the presidency? i was also looking to become self-employed and leave my insurer and try to myself through the affordable care act. . am not sure how that works i will take your answer off air. host: zachary tracer.

guest: the best resource for information is healthcare.gov or a local insurance broker or a sister. -- or assistor. i do not think we have seen either of the major candidates election. an what we saw from the president and hillary clinton is some mention of restoring a limited public option. some sort of government run in er that that -- insur would help people when maybe there is only one option. we have not seen a lot of details but we will watch it going forward. what moves the government makes or proposes to add some competition into the market and choice for people. juanitae beta heat --

here in washington, d.c. caller: i have been listening to people talk about premiums increasing because of the affordable care act. i have had my insurance through my employer for 50 odd years. i am now retired after 40 years of working. every year i had insurance, i had an increase. this was way before the affordable care act. i think we are misleading people when we say the premiums are increasing because of the affordable care act. i have a granddaughter who is working part-time as a college .raduate she has insurance through the affordable care act and has an excellent plan with medstar in washington, d.c. and she pays no

premium or co-pay. i think it is just where you are located and what your local government is doing that makes a lot of difference. host: katie in texas, you get your insurance through medicare? caller: yes. i also have united health care. d.t c and part thatsurance agent told me they pay the insurance company, united health care, $800 a month for every medicare recipient in the united states of america and foreign owned company out of germany and i want to know what the truth is behind this. i was told that by my insurance agent. host: have you heard this?

exactly am not sure what the second company is. the company -- the government pays companies quite a bit to cover medicare recipients if folks sign up for medicare advantage for medicare part c and d. the government bears a big part of that cost. host: this caller gets insurance through his employer. caller: i would like to know how this cadillac act is going to affect hra's. i currently get and if it's through my employer. i heard next year it will be considered a general act packed. host: are you talking about

health savings accounts? thackeray tracer, have you heard --zachary tracer, have you heard about that? guest: it was supposed to go into effect in 2018 and it has been delayed. there is a question about how employers will prepare for it. employers say, we have to prepare for this now and one thing they can do -- one open question is how these savings accounts will affect the tax. the tax is designed, when the insurance cost is above a certain amount, you tax that and it is encouraging employers to reduce the cost of insurance they offer. a big question is, what if you have insurance that cost a certain amount, but you make a contribution to a savings account. it is a complicated issue and i think over the next few years it s will tryng insurer

to figure out. baffled because i currently have medicare. most developed countries of the world, including mexico and canada have a significant health care program for seniors and for those who are qualified for that help. i do not know why the united states goes through such turmoil in trying to provide a health citizens.m for i realize it is a business and it is expensive, but i do not know with the taxes we pay why we cannot have some kind of a national health care program that would provide for our citizens like canada or mexico, two countries he would not think

of with significant resources. most developed countries do. host: let's hear from protrusion next in camden, new jersey. patriciahear from next in camden, new jersey. caller: i have coverage through the affordable care act. i am a substitute teacher. licensed insurance agent. i just want to reiterate that i have been in health care my whole life and i remember being andred through one employer when this other coverage came along, my premium started writing and they have continued to rise before the aca.

what state you are in, even your zip code, you that have the doctor was are very high, but it could be reasonable. deductibles have that are very high, or it could be reasonable. i just wanted to share that with the viewers out there. host: i will get in one more call here from fort worth, texas. worth,rning in fort texas. help me with your name. caller: just say diane, that would be easier. host: go ahead. caller: i had a job with insurance, but i was in a car wreck and had no job for six

months. then i was -- when i finally got another job i had it for a few months and i started getting sick and i got insurance through that job and i got sick and i lost that job and i found out that the hospital told me i needed to be on disability because i have a liver disease. now i have -- i cannot work barely can work part time and it is usually only 12 hours a week. host: have you tried to get subsidies? caller: i actually called when i got in the wreck. i had called and said i did not and they told me a monthhave to pay $465 with a $10,000 deductible.

my job the last time because i was sick and i have a liver disease, they told 360 dollars --y $360 a month with a $10,000 deductible. host: can't you get disability insurance or medicaid? caller: i have tried that and been turned down and the hospital recommended they fell out the information so i can get on disability, but disability turned me down and i was told they can turn you down from -- for five or six years sometimes. host: we have heard that before from reporters and callers. what the you know about this process and this back and forth and, now go try medicare or medicaid?

what is it like? guest: the system is still really confusing. it sounds like the caller has talked to folks in the hospital that may be able to help. there may be people in the community or health care advocates or a legal aid who may be able to help with the situation like this as well. , inother thing to note states that have not extended medicaid and texas, i believe, is among those, for folks not making much money it can be hard to find affordable health care. that is an unresolved political issue that is unfortunately affecting a lot of people who, if they were in new york or d.c. , would actually have health care. that is a political issue, but something that is worth noting. of host: we believe the concert

-- we will leave the conversation there for now. thank you for your time. we will open up phone lines, call in about any public policy issue or debates happening on the campaign trail. for republicans, 202-748-8000. same zip code for republicans, 748-8001. post comments on facebook. we begin with c-span reporting that they may release hillary clinton's taxes today. to pute also doing that pressure on donald trump to release his, he says he will not while under an audit. the business section of the new york times puts the number donald trump could be paying at even withero because

hundreds of millions of gross revenue, it is both possible and legal that he would pay little or no income tax according to a tax expert and it says that is because he is a prominent and active developer and can take advantage of the generous tax breaks in the tax code to retort -- to reduce reported income to near zero or even report a lost. tax breaksbenefit to available to mr. trump and they know developers who pay little or no income tax despite millions in tax flow. poll found that 67% of likely u.s. voters think all presidential candidates should release at least the most recent tax returns to the public. that is down slightly from 73% who felt that way a year ago.

23% disagree and hillary clinton's 20 tax returns are available on her website. forkaine's and his wife's the past 10 years will be released by the campaign. that is one issue we can discuss and many others. let's hear from charlie in new york, an independent color. -- caller. civilized country in the world has single-payer health care and we need to get it over here. there should be -- people should not be making money off sick americans. that in itself is sick. -- intom in percy bill virginia. followinghave been the presidential election and i have never heard anyone talk in

detail about how they will save the federal workforce. there will be a huge shift away from a number of people working, just because of boomers and retirement. there needs to be honest dialogue as to how you keep functioning when you have so many problems within the government that have not been fixed, whether it is the retirement system, the personnel system, just the general services administration, they are trying to consolidate everyone into the same old buildings that he -- that need to be replaced or demolished. i see this every day at work and these two candidates or others have an honest dialogue. it has a huge impact on society. host: that was tom in virginia, a democrat. the connecticut post has the

headline, trump to make his case at fairfield rally. a detour to a state that is not gone republican since george h w bush in 1988 has many national political handicappers scratching their head. hillary clinton will be in connecticut meeting with donors at a front raising -- fund-raising dinner where the price of admission is $33,400 per plate. tribune, mikese pence bows he and donald trump will topple the clinton dynasty. another newspaper with this caption and picture, trump admits clinton might win in rare show of humility. polls show him trailing in some of the swing states.

the detroit free press, hillary clinton was in warren, michigan yesterday and she was talking about her vision for the economy . if you missed it, go to c-span.org to watch the speech. they quote the former secretary of state. this from the new orleans advocate, the hillary clinton campaign sending her running mate down to new orleans, he brings the campaign and rouses a crowd of black face leaders. rum the orlando sentinel where the trump campaign is headed today, donald trump stresses jobs and security and he is optimistic about winning florida. the politico this morning had a story that the trump team and the rnc will meet in orlando today and some called it a come otherus meeting while

staffers told politico it was just a gathering. it comes at a town of mounting tension, politico writes. kathy in south carolina, republican. good morning. caller: you had a caller a few minutes ago that had problems getting hurt social security disability. hercan actually talk to senator. in south carolina, lindsey graham helped a lot of people get their disability. host: all right. charles in hyattsville, maryland. caller: good morning.

question since i doubt the name has come up today. gary johnson, the libertarian candidate. last time i heard he was at 13%. is there any news about his numbers, have they jumped? i think if he gets a chance to be in the debates, a lot of people who do not like trump or clinton will go to him and it -- ictually be something think he is a candidate that allows moderate candidates -- more qualified for the job. host: i just found this on the inquisitor website, the gary johnson poll, he is getting close to 15%, that is the debate cut off and their headline is

that it is possibly within reach and they have been told to prepare third podium. gary johnson, libertarian presidential candidate will be our guest on newsmakers this sunday which airs at 10:00 a.m. and six a clock p.m. eastern time. time. 6:00 p.m. eastern if you are considering a third-party candidate. brian from colorado. caller: i just wanted to comment on donald trump's most recent ridiculous comment about hillary and obama being the founders of isis. it must be wonderful to live in world.fact free people could actually understand whichstory of isis,

absolutely started with the 2003 invasion of iraq. if people believe it happened because of the void in 2011 when we pulled troops out, people should keep in mind that was negotiated, not by obama, but by bush, and obama try to keep us in iraq, what he wanted was in beauty for our soldiers and the president of iraq refused to give after wikileaks released the video of the black hawk helicopter mowing down 11 journalists. people think this involves obama and hillary and it is mind numbingly frustratingly. that is all i have to say. host: a democrat from florida, what is on your mind? caller: i am calling in regard to some of the trade policies that have been fluttered around

this election cycle. , it is-- tpp and nafta time we looked into renegotiating these policies. workerss have been for orkers all over the country. frustratedke we have america and outsource all of our industry to companies that do not obey -- countries that do not obey the laws. i do not understand why democrats are really part and parcel to establishment, to the money interest that is promoting this. that harryting reid's from nevada had a conference call yesterday and he said democrats are considering forcing those on the supreme court nominee and inside the

story it says -- he was quoted saying we have a couple of options and when we should do that and if we should do that. republicans have one last shot to act on judge merrick garland nomination when they return to the nation's capital in september. they are currently on a seven-week recess. tom in wisconsin, you are next. caller: good morning. -- in thise to ask are aon, it shows there lot of people out there that do not want to vote for either candidate and might it be time, not this election obviously, but next election for someone to come down the middle. most of us do not lean far left or far right. i think if a washington outsider

, not a political outsider, but a washington outsider were to come down the middle with an independent candidacy, that they might actually be successful. does anybody out there believe that? host: let me ask you, are you considering gary johnson? is he not in the middle enough for you? caller: they are not feasible in this election, it will come down to voting against somebody and i am so tired of doing that. people bernie sanders and donald trump obviously not being a typical republican show that people do not want what is offered. if someone were to come down the are, i where most of us think they could possibly make a case for it. host: we were just saying this

website had the headline that you have to be 15% in the polls in order to get a podium at the of the threete presidential and one buys presidential coming up in october and november and gary johnson is within reach. the sites were the debates are being held are being told to ready a third podium. this is what usa today reports on the debates, that it is not over with donald trump, what will he demand? that is the headline. rudy giuliani who represented donald trump told cnn that donald trump is going to participate in all three debates and negotiations will be about how we do it. donald trump said he is prepared moderators andin

he has criticized that those code debates are opposite national football league games. skip a des moines forum over a dispute with fox news. up -- three debates have been a set up, october 9 at washington university in st. atis and october 9 university -- frank, republican from arkansas. isis.: about i think when people talk about isis you need to keep a broader context of obama. i am an attorney and even though i am republican, i thought it might be a good thing for obama to be elected because it would help with racial harmony and i

thought he could help with the muslim nations. i did not thinking that, because i did not know very much about him. i knew i did not like some of his associations. i did not realize how radical this man was and i think if you look at what he did that culminated with the formation of isis, it can be understood. the first thing he did, he went over to the muslim nations and bowed to their leaders and made a speech should -- made speeches that had the effect of destroying the egyptian government and getting rid of -- who had always been our friend. then, hillary disrupted libya. i have a hard time believing this, but i believe it now, this must have been intentional. then we have syria and we have

millions of people that are displaced and hundreds of thousands of people killed and isis forms and any rational person -- when it first started they called him -- he called them the jv team and i remember rose of trucks going to baghdad and the next city they took over and i was thinking, why in the world are we not calming -- bombing? then he sat back for a year or two years. host: you just heard a different opinion from our previous caller over the debate over isis and where they came from and who is responsible. we will have to leave it there for now on "washington journal." we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. enjoy the rest of your day and weekend. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its

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than normal in this fall presidential election and tonight, gary johnson is our guest on newsmakers. aswill discuss his candidacy well as his views on donald trump and hillary clinton. newsmakers is at 8:00 eastern followed by your reaction. >> sunday night on q&a, clinton rayfield, talks about his students' award-winning documentary, some of which have been grand prize winners. he teaches that jenks high school in jenks, oklahoma. personnot the kind of who will look at something that is not very good and say, that is nice. i will say what is not working. eventually, every single one of my kids makes a better piece than they did in the beginning, every single one of them. and eventually the kids that do very well