public opinion. later, the latest on the relations between the u.s. and iran. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on face and twitter. washington journal is next. >> don't believe the garbage you read. let me tell you something. donald trump, the republican party, all of you, we're going to put him in the white house nd save this country together. host: the chairman of the r.n.c., reince priebus, at a campaign stop friday afternoon in erie, pennsylvania. his surprise appearance comes amid a number of stories that some in the g.o.p. are calling on the party to cut its ties with donald trump, a campaign that continues to falter in the polls. according to the latest, good sunday morning, it is suggest 14. if you're a registered

republican, we want to hear from you for the next 45 minutes. when you hear stories about division within your party on whether or not to support donald trump, what is your reaction? and should the r.n.c. cut its ties with the trump campaign? for republicans only, here are the numbers, 202-748-8000. for those of you who support donald trump in the november 8 election. for those in the republican party not supporting donald trump, the number to call is 202-748-8001. if you're undecided, 202-748-8002. also share on social media, send us a tweet, @cspanwj, or join us on facebook. good morning. thank you very much for being with us on a busy day. later we'll also talk about the situation in milwaukee. more racial unrest. a police shooting with an armed gunman, we'll have more details on that in our 9:30 east coast time hour. first this morning, front page of "the washington post" with this headline, "millennial

voters see 2016 as a bad joke." let me share with you a portion of what they write about from ort collins, colorado -- host: donald trump was on the campaign trail, as we said, in ennsylvania, in altoona and in erie. tomorrow he'll number youngtown, ohio, delfering a major policy speech. we'll have live coverage of that at 2:00 p.m. also tomorrow, by the way, hillary clinton, a rescheduled visit to scranton,

pennsylvania, where vice president joe biden grew up and where lin clinton's family is from. we'll have coverage of that tomorrow. busy day in politics. but first, trump taking aim once again at the media in pennsylvania. donald: what they're doing is they're trying to not talk about her. take a look. you go to cnn as an example. story after story about trump. story, trump, trump, trump, trump. and yesterday it was announced that people are tired of negative, the hit jobs, and cnn is starting to do very poorly. that's good. i like that. i like that. and i have to say, fox has been treating us fairly. fox has been fair. but cnn has been catastrophic. it's so dishonest. but somebody was explaining to me their theory. if they don't report on her, people aren't going to know how

pad she is. look at her news conference. she hasn't had a news conference in, like, 260 days. that last one wasn't a news conference. that was a few of her friends. they asked her a question. what did she say about the circuit, right? let me tell you, if i ever said that, short circuited, if i ever said i short circuited, it would be headlines all over the .orld they would call for the death penalty. can you imagine if i said that i short circuited? host: donald trump on the campaign. it's available on our website at c-span.org. this tweet from jim, this aunt a bad joke just for the millennials. share your comments. this is the cover story of "time" magazine, the reckoning. also, donald trump's meltdown, his sinking polls, unend ago

tax, and public blunders have the g.o.p. reconsidering its strategy for november. and at politico, dozens of republicans are urging the r.n.c. to cut off funds for donald trump. more than 0 republicans have signed an open letter to the republican national can he chair, reince priebus, urging him to stop spending any money to help donald trump win in november and shift those contributions to senate and house races. again, we want to hear from republicans only. agree or disagree with this sentiment, tell us what you think, especially if you're a supporter of donald trump. joining us live on the phone is daniel litman, associate editor and reporter for politico, and also the new contributor to the daily playbook. thank you very much for being with us. so this story has been unfolding the last 72 hours. we heard from reince priebus of the republican national keg saying don't believe it. what is going on behind the scenes?

guest: i think behind the scenes, republicans and those involved in the campaign and he r.n.c., they're trying to tell donald trump he really has to cede this campaign and change as a candidate, because what he's been doing hasn't been working the last couple of weeks. so they're kind of urging him to stop the divisive rhetoric and not get caught up in the media firestorm that happens when he responds to criticismment it's almost like, u know, he has to hold his ammunition, because it's not, you know, getting involved in public fights with blue star families. it doesn't inspire a lot of americans to want to vote for him. host: there's also a big concern about the senate races, and as you have been reporting, there are 24 republicans on the ballots, 10 democrats, and so the republicans have an uphill battle to maintain control of the senate in 2016 or 2017,

especially in states like pennsylvania, ohio, new hampshire, potentially in arizona, depending on what happens in that primary as well. what are some of these republicans saying about these senate races, especially when the senate republican leaders are saying maintaining control of the senate in 2017, according to mitch mcconnell, is, in his words, "dicey?" guest: yeah, so this is another problem facing the republican party. so how they're trying to address that is the r.n.c. is responsible for electing republicans up and down the ballot, and so they're going to come under pressure, and they already have mentioned that letter to devote more resources to saving senate seats and house seats and less about propping up the truck campaign, given that a lot of republicans are pessimistic about the donald trump's chances of winning in november. but it would at least want to

save as many seats as possible to serve as a check on a possible president hillary clinton. that's a dilemma that republicans are facing, because trump is -- he can kind of direct the r.n.c. to do what he wants, not full control, and he would not be thrilled if the r.n.c. kind of abandons him and devotes more of the resources to supporting those endangered candidates in those places you mentioned. host: "time" magazine, this is what the cover story looks like, "meltdown," the reporting of alex altman. this tweet says, donald trump has his own party, the r.n.c. could cut its ties and his supporters would carry o. it's like a cult filled with haters. daniel lippman, your response to that sentiment? guest: he actually draws support from a much wider pectrum than your kind of --

than you pick up on. because it's not just, you know, people who are concerned about immigrants or who have some of the sentiments that, you know, that we mentioned, but it's kind of -- there's lots of mainstream republicans who just can't get behind hillary clinton, and they view her as untrustworthy and someone who misleads american people. and so it's -- donald trump was just hitting a small part of the electorate, then he would not be where he is. he actually takes a significant -- 80% of republicans support him, and a bunch of democrats and independents do as well, and they support him for a variety of reasons. but if there was any other candidate besides hillary clinton running, then trump would probably be more behind,

cause hillary and lots of -- hillary, in lots of americans' minds, is a toxic brand. over 25 years, the clintons have, you know, been targeted by both republicans and just by their own mistakes in how they have operated, where there seems to always be a scandal revolving around them. definitely propped up by republicans who are eager to add fuel to the fire, but i would not classify trump upporters as all bigots. there's -- there's reasonable republicans that everyone, you know, that are on board the trump train, albeit sometimes left, because they they want to stop hillary clinton. host: how does donald trump and the r.n.c. turn the tide? clearly poll numbers have shown he has dropped after the democratic and republican conventions, but as you rightly

indicated, lot of questions about the hillary clinton emails, new questions about the foundation and whether or not there was pay to play. while all that is swirling around the clinton campaign, the attention continues to be focused on donald trump, in large part becaused on his comments again this past week. guest: i think if he wants to revive his campaign, he has to move forward. he just has to not say those things like kobe and clinton are the founders of isis. even the hezbollah leader cite that had remark just yesterday in a rally. so the world is definitely watching what donald trump is saying. and, you know, if the focus is not on donald trump, but on hillary clinton, then that's very good news for trump. but so far he just has to have more impulse control. you can't be a person that responds to every slight that is thrown upon him, because also, do we want a president

like that, too? do we want someone with control of the nuclear arsenal who would get angry at the first, you know, criticism leveled by a foreign leader against, you know, president trump or the united states? so you just have to almost reframe his message in terms of just focusing as a leader on hillary and not making the story about himself. host: daniel lippman, who broke the story this past week. his work is available online at politico.com. wen courage our viewers and listeners to check out the playbook. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. guest: thanks for having me, steve. host: we want to hear from you, republicans only, on whether or not you think the r.n.c. should cut its ties with donald trump. want to share with you one other story from the front page of today's "new york times", "the failing inside mission to tame trump's tongue" is the story --

guest: one of the viewers saying tune in tomorrow to see if trump if elected, will the earth spin out of its orbit and our solar system? tell us what you think about this. mike from south carolina, a supporter of donald trump, good morning. caller: good morning.

just as an aside, i thought it was interesting your opening rump video shows him criticizing cnn, and yet recently he has said any publicity is good publicity. so he ought to be thankful for cnn. but for most of us republicans, he is the republican candidate. he got there. in the past there have been republican candidates that i have not been overly enthused with, but they are the republican candidate. so, just like trump, at times you have to hold your nose, other times you have to understand that he doesn't espouse what you would hope he would espouse, but he is the republican candidate. host: mike, thank you for the call. salt lake city, brian is next. you're undecided. caller: hey, yeah, i just -- i'm scared of what's going to happen.

host: why? caller: with hill sandri donald trump. i don't trust trump. the media helped trump become our nominee, because like mika on msnbc, hey, nothing too hard, mika. don't ask me no hard questions. and they just -- the media helped, because they knew he would be the easiest to attack, because the media is on the democratic side. and hey, there's one thing i'd like to ask you. host: sure. caller: you ever heard of cassius clay? host: oh, of course. caller: and lew alcindor, what a cool name. why did they change their names? host: ok, brian, that's another topic for another day, but thanks for phoning in and sharing that. let's go to jeffrey, joining from us new richmond, ohio. you're on the air. caller: i am a trump supporter. i was just wondering why they don't show the one little clip that hillary is responding to a question, i don't know if it's from congress, it's about

benghazi. what does it matter at this pointed? do you know? host: what difference does it make? caller: she said what does it matter? at this point, what does it matter? well, that's all i heard her say, at this point, what does it matter? host: thank you for the call. by the way, that is in our video library if you want to check it out. we covered the entire hearing, which ran 11 hours. thank you for the call. a caller from mississippi, also a supporter of trump. talk about whether or not it should cut ties with your nominee. what is your reaction? caller: well, what i can say is that if they do that to him, i will -- i will never have anything to do with the r.n.c. again. it is absolutely absurd and criminal what the r.n.c. is doing to trump. the people have voted for him and now they want to go against

the people. it's un-american. i tell you what, we better bake up in this country. did you see what has happened in milwaukee last night, and now they're even blaming that on trump. it is scary what is happening to this country. we have got to have a change. we cannot have hillary clinton in that office again. she is a criminal. what is wrong with the democrats in this country? do they have their ears and eyes closed? host: thank you for the call. another viewer saying the media on the side of the democrats. fox will be interested to hear that, accident clammings mark. let's go to elaine, joining us from olympia, washington. undecided, elaine? caller: yes, i am, but i think just out of retaliation against the media. i'll probably vote for him, just in retaliation. because i think what the media is doing with him is absolutely

ludicrous, and i'm of a professional background. all my friends are. nobody is voting for hillary. they can say they're all blue-collar, stupid, you know, people voting for trump. they're dead wrong. the media can put whatever spin on it that they want to, but it's not going to work. it really is not going to work. and -- i mean, i don't see any media, even your organization, that is just straight down the line, this is what is here. both sides, nobody does that except fox, and they're leerning more to the right. but nobody does that. and i think hillary is just an absolute disgrace to the d.n.c. she's been pay and play since she bought the banking commission in arkansas. and, you know, i mean, they only got about, what, 200,000

out of that. i'm just disgusted with the media, and i think i probably will vote for trump, regardless, because i think that with paul ryan, he can get a lot past that needs -- a lot passed that need to be passed, and people know it. and if anybody put a website up, what do you want, this or that? and then at the end of the quiz, tell them what candidate is supporting their ideas. and i think they'd be very surprised. host: i'm disappointed to hear that, because we really pride ourselves in that we cover all sides of the story. this is the story that's been out there, chairman of the r.n.c. made it a point to make that statement on friday. we aired that at the beginning of the program, and just wanted to use that as a jumping-off point to ask the question, so i'm sorry you feel that question. caller: ask you questions of people who are against the democrat party.

you challenge people who are against the democrat party, whereas, i mean, you challenge the people who are against. you do not challenge the people who are for. host: ok, well, i agree to disagree, but elaine, thank you. you've added your voice to the conversation, and for that, we appreciate it. thanks, elaine. caller: uh-huh. bye. host: another tweet from another viewer saying many americans no longer trust the polls. reports of bad campaigns, we simply don't know, due to the corruption of media who wants clinton. let's go to pennsylvania. mary lou is joining us from elwood city, good morning. caller: i'll be honest with you,y watched day and night, even while people are sleeping. i watch the media. i've listened to what all of them said, including the green party and the libertarian. with donald trump, he said he owns one of the world's largest banks. well, banks, even around here, always charge higher interest

rates to the lower-class people or middle-class people. and the rich always get cheap insurance rates. but not only that, he said he's for franking. a lot of people are getting sick, and nobody seems to care. with hillary, she is lied through her teeth so many times, and she's even talking about stuff that we already have, like trade schools and stuff. when it comes to people losing their jobs, a lot of businesses do that. not just the ones that are leaving other countries. hill sandri bernie sanders, they were both for lowering the population worldwide. if people don't believe that, then ask yourself, why do they have abortion going on around the world? host: mary now elwood city. this is a tweet saying trump should cut ties with the republicans. they need him more than he needs them. and this from jan, what a dumb

reason to vote trump. the media is being mean to him. and this headline from "the washington post," in the metro section, virginia, one of those so-called purple states with senator tim kaine on senator hillary clinton's ticket, once-red virginia shaping up to be a democratic stronghold. calls and comments, if you're just tuning in on listening on c-span radio, the question for republicans only, should the r.n.c. cut its ties with donald trump? on friday, the chairman of the r.n.c. refuting that story, making the point to travel to pennsylvania to introduce donald trump, reince priebus had this to say. reince: we just had a great poll that came out. i don't know if you saw the "l.a. times" poll, showed it a tied he flexion spite of the biased media, this man is going win. he's going to save our country. he's going to put us back to work again, put more money in people's pockets. we're in a battle for freedom. that's why we're here. we're in a battle for freedom.

it's the same battle that james madison reaffirmed in the bill of rights, the same battle that founded our country. it's the same battle we're here today to fight. rape of the chairman of the r.n.c., reince priebus, friday in pennsylvania. blake is joining us, alabama, supporter of donald trump. good morning. caller: hi, good morning. i think the question is a little bit biased, because you just showed the video, the not an of r.n.c., he's cutting ties. he's asking for full support of the republican party. host: you're right. let me just follow up, because this is a letter sent by 70 republicans, including former members, saying, in that letter, we believe that donald trump's divisiveness, recklessness, and incompetence and record-breaking unpopularity risk turning this election into a democratic landslide. they're saying it's time cut ties with the r.n.c. so the story is out there. reince preeb success saying

it's not going to happen. caller: right. you just said, far more congressmen, seven of them -- host: 70. 70. aller: oh, 70, yeah. i don't even care if it's 700 of them who are all responsible send american kids, 19, 20, 21-year-old, into iraq and they came back, their head blown up, or their legs blown up, or their arms blown up, and now trump has challenged them, as a matter of fact. you know he said that at one time. he doesn't say that right now, but he has said when nancy he i was the speaker, and sent his boys to die in iraq that he wondered why nancy pelosi did not impeach george w. bush for the action he took

in iraq. so these people have vested interest. media is absolutely in the pocket. that are rces literally too powerful in this country, and thank god for the supreme court so that the decision they allowed the you want to give any amount of money to campaign, because the forces that are fighting trump, they fear him. they fear him, and that's what it's all about. you just had a reporter whipping it up. host: well, blake, thank you. i mean, your voice is exactly what we want to hear, a supporter of donald trump. thanks for weighing in. this headline is available online. check it at politico.com, dozens urging to cut off funds for donald trump. and then there's this from a viewer saying tweeter is on the money, polls are meaningless at this point, done only to drive an agenda. let's go to brenda, who's

joining us next from elizabeth city, north carolina, undecided republican. good morning. caller: good morning. on your topic, all of these people that were calling in bashing the media and saying that the media is against donald trump or against hillary, all of their information is coming from the media. they listened to media sources that say what they want to hear, then they condemned the media sources that don't say what they want to hear. and i'm a person who's objective. i'm going listen to both sides. there's bias on both sides. host: let's go to bobby, columbia, maryland. good morning. welcome to the conversation, supporter of donald trump. what do you think? caller: yes, good morning. no, i do not believe they should break ties. i think this is a media thing. i believe the media is completely corrupt, or 90% liberal, and they want trump out, and they want hillary. anybody who votes for hillary,

you need your head examined. i spent almost 50 years in d.c. working for the government. i can tell you what she did at the state department, those are felonies. many of those are felonies. the justice department has now turned political. it's basically a rubber suit, a rubber stamp wearing a suit. this whole thing is about -- as for the 50% of people who signed the letter who don't want trump, i can tell you, those people, it's all about money. trump is not playing their game, and they're very upset about that. congress is ruled by money. people need money for campaigns, so they do what these millionaires want them to do, because they need their money to pay for their campaigns. you have to understand that. we're losing our middle class. we need jobs in this country. we need to pucks our military. we need trump. we need him desperately. hillary will not do any of that. she will take the oval office

and do what she did at the state department. she will get more donors for her slush fund that she calls a foundation, and she will get more favors. we do not need hillary in the white house. that's the last thing we need. in fact, i think hillary should be headed for prison, not the white house. and trump, i want trump to succeed. in order for this country to succeed, we need trump. host: ok, thank you from columbia, maryland. this is one of three tweets i want to share with you. trump is an outsider. the more established congressmen that hate him, the better. hello. and there's this from michael, give reince priebus credit, he understands that the g.o.p. is not about control. the primary voters have spoken. the party follows the voters. and finally, from this viewer in waukesha, trump will put the right people in the right positions, a presidential priority. he is our candidate, fair and square, #neverhillary. on friday, the clinton campaign

releasing this new web video. let's watch. campaign releasing this new web video. let's watch. [video clip] ifwe will only really know he is the real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns. or 40 years,0 every presidential candidate has released their tax returns. i think donald trump should do as well. >> he does not want to do it, because presumably there is something in there that is. >> perhaps one more reason why we are not seeing his tax returns is because he is involved in dealing with russian oligarchy. >> either he is not nearly as wealthy as he says he is, or he is not paying the amount of taxes we are expected to pay. or maybe he is not giving money disabled,s or the like he says. >> we do not know. donald trump can answer all of

these questions by releasing his taxes, as every other candidate has done. >> you know, if you're running, add a minimum, probably have to show your returns. if you do not see the tax returns, you have to see almost, like, something is wrong. >> donald can answer all of these questions. host: one of the latest web videos from the clinton campaign. we are covering the candidates again tomorrow. traveling toon scranton, pennsylvania with vice president joe biden. we will have coverage on c-span networks. at 2:00 tomorrow afternoon, donald trump in youngstown, ohio. he will be joined by his vice presidential running mate mike pence, who reportedly said he will release his tax returns. hurry up toe saying the maryland caller. try to get all of the limbaugh talking point out. from myland, just four years

ago, right-wingers were for eight money in politics, citizens united. this tweet says bill clinton's administration was the most proper's time in human history. we could use a little more clinton for the u.s. and from carol, we have "we know what hillary is and that is bad. we can always hope with trump, it will be better." now we have a caller from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. i believe trump -- this is the biggest business ever for his own family. calls crooked hillary, and i believe he is very crooked, too. so i choose hillary. for many reasons. he says he will build walls. and there is a bunch of tunnels already from mexico. so that is not going to stop.

not stop with a wall. he would just break the united states of america. i think trump is just doing this for himself only. the russians,to and his kids are in business in china. i think he is the liar here. thank you. host: thank you. last week, we focused on the question about politics in your family. this is relevant to that. my sister is for hillary. i am for trump. i will forgive her for being wrong. democrat are what they are. just brainwashed. gop donorsporting on placing their bets on the down ballot races. the next up is jerry. thanks for joining us from tennessee. caller: good morning. it has been a wild. i was shocked this morning by the shock on your face, when

they were talking about the bias in the media. you guys are doing a wonderful job. someone othere than the "new york times" and the "washington post" as a references. we know where they are coming from. i have been watching you guys since i retired in 1997. i watch you every morning. i love every one of you. thank you. host: thanks. you made our day. edward's next, joining us from wisconsin. one of the battleground states. good morning. supporter of donald trump. you are on the air. caller: thank you for taking my calls. i happen to be a veteran of world war ii. -- istruggling for trump , because i for trump think he is doing the right

thing. he is an american citizen. thank you. host: how old are you, by the way? caller: 89. host: where did you serve? caller: in the army in world war ii. whichr got to combat, upset me at the time, because i wanted to serve my country. host: thank you for your service. stay healthy and strong. we appreciate it. thanks for joining us from wisconsin. caller: you are entirely welcome. host: and i mentioned at the top of the program, violence breaking out in milwaukee. this is the headline from the "milwaukee journal sentinel." there is video from demonstrations and fires that -- number in a member of businesses. next is kelly, joining us from georgia. welcome to the conversation. why are you not supporting donald trump? i am 37.

i cannot support donald trump. because of his hatred and fear mongering. and i am young, so i have not seen it before ever in american politics. but i did take a history class. i have seen it in other countries and history books. hillary has her issues. there are some trust issues. a daily basis, donald trump tells lies. so i cannot support him. he really seems like he is off his rocker. city,keli from union georgia. this is from tj. 96%ary paid to charity -- of the money she paid to charity went to the clinton foundation. the insanity of the clintons. and this editorial from pennsylvania. -- droppedispatch"

out, you big baby. according to an average of six bowls, donald trump is trailing by 9.2 points. but the gop standardbearer kelly likes those odds, or maybe he does not believe the polls. or maybe he does not understand them. who knows at this point. maybe trump was being sarcastic, or was he, where he complained of the only way he could lose was if the good people of ,ennsylvania complaint -- widespread voter fraud. that is from the "york dispatch." next is ben from springfield, illinois. caller: i think with the question of the rnc, if they were going to do anything, they should have done it during the convention. i wish they would have. that is the whole reason we have -- el toro -- you editorial the electoral college. also, the reason i am not supporting trump -- i think he

is dangerous. that itego is so big looks like a blind same. if you watch the interview on "charlie rose," he talks about his ego. .hat is a great interview i just gave a donation to hillary last night. i really hope she wins. i really think that people say libya and benghazi and all of this stuff, but when it comes overall, i think she is the best one to handle what is going on in the world. and it is definitely not donald trump. thank you. host: who did you vote for four years ago? caller: i voted for mitt romney. i was a republican. i think mitt romney was a great candidate. i am so glad that he came out

early, early, early, and spoke out against trump. he was the only one who spoke out. the bushes did not show up. he did not show up to the convention. but he actually spoke out. john kasich just said a few things. i am really proud of mitt romney. he is going to be in the history books for speaking out like he did. host: thank you for the call. this says georgia is a lean republican for the first time in a long time. there is a photo here of donald trump with a thousand people at a rally in erie. jack in north carolina, supporter of donald trump. thanks for being with us. caller: good morning. i can just say that this is another hillary-style conspiracy, when the media jumps

in and dominates trump. it is like they put a rabbit foot in his back pocket and turn the dogs loose on him. it is sad and pathetic. hillary supporters -- really, there is a mental issue. like you say, it will be another story. those two candidates are really mental issues. it is widespread in this country. host: thank you for the call. this is another tweet from johnny, referring to holy clinton -- hillary clinton donating most of her money to the clinton foundation. what is wrong with donating 96% of charitable come? -- conjugations to one charity? the point is most of the donations went to the clinton foundation. kristof from nicholas

-- "trump is making america meaner." that's available on nytimes.com. paul, mark is on the phone. who are you voting for? i am calling on the not supporting trump i do not like donald trump. i think we have seven years, eight years of a narcissistic, dishonest president. i cannot help but think that donald trump is a narcissistic, dishonest person. but at this juncture, i do not know what to do. i agree with the new york editorial you referenced which suggested he should drop out of the race, but i do not think narcissists do stuff like that. syria question is should the rnc cut ties with trump?

i think rnc cutting ties with trump would be disastrous, too. i guess you put lipstick on the pig and dance with the one you brought. we are kind of stuck with them. what strikes me is that, for year after year, the republican establishment has always told us we have to support the so-called moderate republican candidates, the john mccains and mitt romneys and bob doles, and all those people. i have never probably voted for anyone i really like in my life anyway. now the establishment has the shoes on the other foot. and they have someone they do not like, and they are having a temper tantrum. and should just suck it up realize hillary clinton is probably even more dishonest and a narcissist then donald trump is. you dance with the one you came with. host: mark from minnesota.

says "this election has brought out the good, the bad, and the ugly, but we are still the greatest country on earth." from inside the "time" magazine story, "the unforced errors of donald trump," with his comments against megyn kelly to the k han family and his halfhearted paul ryan. of -- as far as the question goes on whether or not the rnc should cut ties with donald trump, the simple fact remains -- republican voters voted, and therefore said they want don -- wantheir voice said they

donald trump. for the rnc to try to silence that vote, i do not think that should be allowed. that is what the majority of republicans want. i tired of hearing all of this bad stuff that trump said and all of this. it is like the media waits to saysany little thing trump and blowing into this huge thing and tries to twisted all around into what it was not meant to be originally. i think the media plays a huge role in what people are thinking negative about donald trump. host: thanks for the call. vince is next, terrible. you are undecided. why? caller: i am, but i am leaning towards trump. i look around and see, like today in milwaukee, riots happening, cops being shot. is iranian deal, there

something wrong with every day. flying $400 million over there in an unmarked plane. you have felons being released from jail, that were put in jail by judges, ford drug deals and gun charges, being released for no reason. you have 2 billion bullets purchased by the federal government without congressional approval for domestic purposes paid you have refugees with tb and other diseases in the country. you have refugees in here that are unfettered. we have -- unvetted. we have no economic growth. we have people on the street. people are afraid of donald trump? are you kidding me? here they will be worse, and they are more afraid of donald trump? host: thank you.

thank you for all of your calls and sweets. much more coming up in our sunday roundtable. joining us in a couple of minutes, brian nienaber and stefan hankin. we will get two different perspectives about the state of the race and some of the down ballot races. ali nader will join us. we will talk about the money sent to iran. first, an interview with gary johnson on "newsmakers." among the issues we talked with him about, the state of his campaign, comments about donald about isisments founders. [video clip] disagree withe or

donald trump when he calls president obama the founder of isis? >> unintentional. isis," -- founder of that has the connotation that they support isis. no, they do not support isis. but the end result is the unintended consequence of that happening. it is not just obama and clinton going into iraq. it was getting rid of saddam hussein, which was the check when it came to iran. -- we get change involved in regime change. with all of these new consequences, which continue in this state of endless war. >> one quick follow-up. going back in time, there were mistakes we could look at. if this was not done, we would not face this problem or that problem. what we are facing is a threat from the islamic state.

twoe have been isis-inspired terrorist attacks on u.s. soil. we see what is going on in europe. what is your plan? do you think it requires a u.s.-led plan to combat and defeat isis? gettingbout congress involved in having a national debate and discussion on how we move forward? i think isis is -- you could in ant it as sand hourglass. they are originally contained. you point out that there were terrorist actions carried out in this country that were isis-inspired. certainly not directly linked with isis. but we will see that isis threat through to its conclusion. i also think it is significant that a couple of weeks ago, there was a poll among active military personnel on who they support for president of the united states. and myself and bill weld were on

top of that poll, with trump second and clinton fared. -- third. host: every sunday, our "newsmakers" program. you can watch the full interview at 10:00 eastern time. it is also available on our website, at c-span.org. stefan hankin, democratic pollster and strategist, and brian nienaber, republican pollster and strategist. let me begin by asking where the donald trump campaign is at the a lot of speculation on the fact that he did not release his tax returns. hillary clinton did. donald trump saying how about releasing the 30,000 e-mails? what is the state of the campaign now? in thethis is the stage campaign, which is postconvention, where you try to baseh from a mobilization rallying strategy to talking to

more general voters. sometimes, there can be rocky days. i think they have had some rocky days on how to make that transition. host: this story on the front page of the "new york times" indicating it is difficult for republican insiders to keep donald trump on message. why? are a candidate and you succeed using a particular style or tactic, you often become infatuated with that. this is what work. what worked for him was being bombastic and over-the-top. when someone tells him to completely change the way you have done it, i think it will be a hard transition. what does he need to do to turn this around? do you believe the polls, by the way? guest: i do. i am a poster. most public polls are trying to get do a data. i do not think there are many people trying to get bad stuff. is a reasonable

approximate of where the public is now. host: we have seen in past campaigns, when michael dukakis had a lead, he only one code six states and lost against george bush. things can change in the next 85 plus days? but i do notory, expect it. the difference is the consolidation of democratic support among minority voters. as that group keeps growing, and the percentage of whites continues to drop among the inctorate, there is a built advantage for democrats. to change the dynamic is what it is going to take to start getting a case where we see in august, anything could happen. romney would have had to done about 75% that are among

minority voters to even get the race close. given the fact that whites are only going to make up about 70% of the electorate this go around, a means the republican candidate would have to do 84% that are than what romney did in 2012. i do not think donald trump can in the air himself enough to minority voters to get close to that level. host: in our conversation with gary johnson, we talked about some individual states. utah is a sticky things he can make a difference in. has 21%, theng he combined vote between gary johnson and jill stein in colorado. if you look at the breakdown in these states, can they make a difference between hillary clinton or donald trump losing or winning, based on the -- what they get in the overall vote? guest: i think it will be close. if you have a lot of people -- gary johnson is hustling.

he is close to getting to the debate change, which would be a change for people seeing him is that -- as a viable third option. but it gives people the opportunity to say that this state is divided by a few thousand votes, it will make a huge difference. host: and gary johnson says if he is not in the debates, he will not win the election. said 15%. you look at him as a third-party contender. what does he need to do to get on the stage? guest: get 50%. host: how does he gather? guest: what has to happen, supporters -- mainly republicans who are not thrilled with the idea of voting for donald trump and will not vote for hillary clinton -- to basically start saying in polls that they will vote for johnson and get him to the 15% threshold. i think he should be on the stage. he is on the ballot in all 50

states. if you can pull that off, you should be on the debate, regardless of an arbitrary 15%. what is the difference if you are at 13% or 15%? any third-party candidate will have a tough go. ross perot got a reasonable share of votes, but did not win a single state. i agree. johnson could certainly make a state like utah closer. but thinking about the states we are talking about -- this will be an electoral landslide. host: let's talk about the senate. mitch mcconnell saying it was dicey for them to keep control of the senate, as we have been talking about. 24 republicans on the ballot. that is a lot to maintain. and some of these states are ones that obama won in 2008 and 2012. what is the challenge? guest: a lot of these candidates -- and we have partners working

in ohio and pennsylvania and new hampshire -- all of these candidates went in knowing they would be in a tough race. potentially the top of the ticket will not be a help. i think all of them went in no way "i will have to pull in resources and effort that i normally would not have to," to turn out grassroots motivation, turn out voters. i think you will see all of the candidates make that effort, because they understand we may have a presidential candidate or top of the ticket or rnc that we will not be able to rely on to come to the rescue. poll showing has a donald trump at 35%. we talked to gary johnson about that. [video clip] >> let me go back to the poll numbers, where donald trump is at 35%. does that surprise you, that low number for the republican nominee? >> no. i have always maintained that

donald trump alienates more than half of republicans. and republicans, for me, always miss smaller government. that is what bill weld and i are in spades. smaller government. but on the civil liberties side, marriage equality, a woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, lessening our military interventions -- i think that draws on democrats. we draw equally on both sides. and no surprise. donald trump alienates republicans. host: gary johnson on c-span's "newsmakers." who does he pull from? does he pull from hillary clinton the tractors as well? guest: i was surprised, looking at the average, when you look at the two-way versus the four-way, there is a seven point reduction. as much as adding the two of them in changes things, it

changes both trump and clinton losing support as people have other options. charney, --s from johnny, which says which poll should voters trust the most? guest: i tend to look at the overall average. -- do not put any judgments. they just of the average of the polls out there. i would say get a general sense. what is the trend? also, not what is the difference, but if in virginia, clinton is winning in all six polls that came out in the last he weeks, clinton will win virginia. is it is a true swing state, you will see trump win in some and clinton win in some. stay away from the exact horserace numbers, but look at the differences, especially between white men and white women. trump has to be about six or 7%,

he -- about 67 percent. he needs a 20% chance among white women to win, and right now, he is around -1%. guest: and he at the number 2070. host: stefan hankin and brian nienaber. our sunday roundtable. we are dividing our numbers between democrats, republicans, and independents. .ou can tweet us at @cspanwj let's go to west virginia, dennis. caller: i always enjoy c-span. i was wondering about the republican strategist pollster. if you could help me. does he see the backlash that may happen after all of these

voters voted for trump? have a lowcans approval rating. is there going to be a backlash theseallot, if all of republicans keep coming out against trump? democrat over this. i am really that mad about this. i just wonder if you guys thought about that. host: thank you. guest: we certainly have. please do not do anything rash like vote democrat, but i certainly say a lot of campaigns are running this two track strategy. where senate and house ended its are focused on their own issues and local issues, and not running a campaign with trump. ultimately, i am not concerned there will be huge backlash that trump is running on one track.

one thing we usually do as a party is calm -- come together. we will figure out how to move the party forward. host: do you think donald trump can win? guest: at this stage, everyone can win. i go back to when i was a senate staffer and thinking we would win big in 1998, and i will have my pick of the jobs from the senate and house seats. and the environment turned on us, and we did not pick up a senate seat and lost house heat -- house seats. from maryland, republican line. david, good morning. about: i had a question what you think of julian assange coming out and saying that the

individual in washington, d.c., the dnc staffer who was murdered, could possibly be the source of the wikileaks, instead of the russians? host: thank you. this story has been percolating on a number of media sites. guest: there are all these crazy conspiracy theories. i did not know him personally, but i have friends who knew him. stay awayple would from this. have some respect for what happened. his family is still in mourning. this should not be seen as an opportunity to come up with the next tin foil hat theory. that we are seeing a lot of that these days, which takes us away from talking about the actual issues. host: donald trump comments about hillary clinton, second minute, and those who support the second amendment -- your reaction? as a: again, sometimes

candidate, you read on things that are unfortunate. was tryingpoint he to make is a lot of people are pro-second amendment. hillary clinton is a less hardy defender of it. and that those people should come together and make a difference. i do not think he meant to and i would never advocate that someone should take up gun violence as a solution of public policy. -- using this. here's what i look like. [video clip] >> she is one of the wealthiest women in politics. on privatehe world jets. protected by armed guards for 30 years. but she does not believe in your right to keep a gun in your own home for your own defense. an out of touch hypocrite here she leaves you defenses.

fund sponsor this. guest: keep wasting your money. everyone million dollars they spend on a presidential race is $1 million they do not spend on a senate race with a questionable outcome. and who is that ad talking to? it talks to people who will vote for trump. host: from arlington, virginia, tom is on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i appreciate if you give me a little more time during this hankin a very mr. important question. i teach politics and media in one of the colleges within the washington metro area. i have lived in this country 30 years now. i would like to ask mr. hankin,

after i make my point -- mr. hankin, you have the duty to respect the american public and tell the american public the truth. first off, you have been so extremely biased, and your responsibility is to be objective. and, to someased, extent, c-span, too. the media has done america a lot of disfavor. american people are not as smart as many people think they are. the media has even more of an important duty to educate the american public. my students, the majority of them do not even know who the governor of their states is. who the county executives are. , on tv at attack the republican party like crazy -- host: let me say this. stefan hankin is a him strategist. brian nienaber is a republican shortages.

they have their own point of view. that is what we are trying to accomplish. was still, her: has the duty to tell the american people the truth. he has not been abducted. he is deceiving the american public. even if he is a democratic pollster, he has not given any accurate information -- host: let's get a response. thet: you can go back to tape. nothing i have said here is an opinion. this is based on what the numbers are. a year and a half ago, we released but we think will be the outcomes in the presidential race in all 50 states, based on our modeling and data. if you feel that is biased, that is your opinion. we are just exposing our view on the data. from virginia, republican line, susan. thanks for being with us. caller: thanks. good morning. i have a question for both of you. on the internet, you see

pictures of hillary's rallies and pictures of trump's rallies. hillary can hardly fill a high school gym. 12,000 people.g i know the questionable factor, of hey, let's go to a trump rally and see what is going on. lot may be why he draws a of people. but is that not going to relate in november, when people are going to vote? no one is really excited about hillary. thanks and have a good day. host: thank you. this is a picture we showed earlier from the "pittsburgh post-gazette." more than 8000 people in attendance. do crowds serve as a precursor to how candidates do? guest: no. or else we would talk about bernie sanders being the candidate on the democratic side. this is similar to saying he has more twitter followers or more facebook likes.

none of this makes any difference. i find it interesting that in 2008, the republican line was all over obama can do is fill a stadium, but he will not get votes, because that is not how we do elections. now it is the opposition -- the opposite. but remember what clinton is trying to do versus what trump is trying to do our different things. is not going into base areas and trying to get up the base. she is going into swing areas and trying to persuade voters on the fence to vote for her. that type of approach does not lend itself well to large rallies. jobhas a very different ahead of her the next few months. and trump is focusing more on the bigger rallies that serve or more base voters in his events, it seems. host: we share this story from

abc news. hillary clinton spending $82 million in television advertising. donald trump spending nothing so far, though his super pac spending about $11 million. what is going on here? is this a sign that ads don't matter? guest: i think it is a sign that he feels he can get enough out thingse rallies, out of that do not involve paid advertising. fueled in large part by what happened in the primary campaign. he did not spend a lot on the media them. i think they are going with the strategy that worked for them in the primary. will be an interesting experiment of not spending as much as a traditional campaign does on paid media. what influence does it have as you move along? host: what you go from $13 million, what he received in the -- ary, a record million

record, to suzy $6 million in the pratt in a general -- $266 million in the general? guest: my thinking is that in the current financial state, they will hold back on it for later in the campaign. brian nienaber, republican strategist and pollster. and stefan hankin, a democratic shudder just and pollster. both offering their perspectives on the campaign. what are we, 85, 86? three more months until election day. election day is november 8, which is the latest it has been in a number of years. let's go to james in new york. democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for giving me this opportunity. i would like to focus my view on lying. that seems to be the biggest subject out of all.

guests --th of your we can all agree that probably bernie sanders was the most honest candidate out there. but i would like to also say that hillary clinton's contributions to the global initiative only make sense. i lost my son seven years ago. we have a scholarship in his name. i give 10%, cut up between cancer, and another contribution. then 90% of my contributions goes to my son's memorial scholarship. it only makes sense. now, on lying. hillary clinton lies about one thing. donald trump lies about everything. any man that would make fun of a handicapped man and then turn around and lie about saying "oh, -- wegroveling," when he

all know he was imitating, or trying to, a handicapped man. to me, that disqualifies him right there. that is really all i have to say. thank you for the time. host: thank you. stefan hankin? guest: i will put him in the hillary camp. --ry presidential election there are not a law to voters that are actually in between. most have made up their mind a long time ago. around 5% ofwn to the american public is truly swaying, in their pure definition. all of the stories that break about clinton's e-mails and what she says, and about trump being not the nicest guy in the world, those narratives are out there. what we are looking for is what are the stories that change the narrative or outside the narrative? e-mailher story on an about clinton is not overly concerning, and we do not expect

to see numbers change. it would be something completely different. the same thing with trump. trump mocking a handicapped -- i thinkmp saying the second amendment thing was above and beyond his usual rhetoric. but trump saying crazy things, we do not expect major movement in numbers, unless something comes out that it is bigger and different. host: this is a tweet to saying "the media does not get it. the usa is tired of ads, and the stupid d.c. beltway media." guest: that is certainly the philosophy the trump campaign is taking. taking things darkly to voters. but the experience i have in working in campaigns, ads and paid media works in a way that

no other way to does. tweet saying that "props that trump is willing to engage in such a no advertising experiment shows that he is not a serious candidate?" look at how much money was spent in 2012 and how little the polls moved from the conventions to the actual election, there is certainly argument to be made that these campaigns do not need to be spending as much, because it is not moving the numbers in a real way. we had a down to about $30 million per 1/10 of point in the polls, which is not exactly a great return on investment. what we are seeing on the clinton campaign is they are investing a lot of money in infrastructure, not just in swing states but also in blue states that are unlikely to go republican. what they seem to understand -- and this is the big worry -- is sometimes turn out veterans

change and people stay home because they are fed up. that has never happened in the past, but that is the one thing that could do rail -- derail her chances of winning. they seem to be aware of that. states're running ads in that a republican is unlikely to win, but they are looking to get people to turn out. smaller are investing a proportion of their overall bank account on media, which i think is a smart way. for trump -- it is the one thing i will say. are runningay they a smart campaign, but i do not think he needs to spend a ton on tv. a piece this sunday from the "globe and mail" in canada. "trump is finished, but trumpism is here to stay."

saying that the movement he created will have a significant effect on republican party strategies ahead. guest: there is a lot of frustration. this is the largest we have ever seen people thinking things are headed to the wrong track. there is a huge mix of things making people anxious. it is not one thing or another. i think that frustration and worries, andof being able to go out to voters and providing an optimistic view -- we cannot -- we have always been a party that has had an optimistic vision. ronald reagan and his shining city on the hill. to make the case to voters that we can get the country back on the right track. i think it will be a philosophy and strategy long after this

campaign is over. line,jeff, independent virginia. you are on the air. about: i was wondering what impact these e-mail dumps from wikileaks will have? guest: unless it is outside of the perceived norm, i do not think there will be any real effect. it would have to be something big, something different. to really change hearts and minds. if it is more of the same, i do not see -- i do not see it affecting the numbers in a meaningful way. host: stefan hankin, graduate of the university of massachusetts amherst, and brian nienaber, graduate of purdue university. we love purdue university's. we love universities. our archives are near the purdue

campus. we go to charles on the republican line. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. who voted in donald trump? the people. any republican that cannot stand to hide the people's -- that cannot stand behind the people's choice should not find the rnc's reelections. the people voted for trump and will keep voting for trump. if anyone deserves this job, it is trump. he can beat hillary and elect the judges we need to run this country. they are all upset because they will lose their funding from the special people who give them money to make their rules. host: thank you. guest: we have always been a big

time party that makes decisions. this is certainly a more divisive year than others. but when you look at how important it is to have senate and house members supporting republican views, if you are not ready to go out and stand arm in arm with the presidential -- this is selling not the first time this has happened. andave seen it with bush other candidates, in places where they were less popular and candidates went their own way. the other side of running a two track strategy. host: this from politico. mike pence saying his tax returns will be a quick read. hillary clinton and tim kaine releasing there is friday. will this make a difference? guest: it will make a difference hashat it will show pence

finances more in line with the average american. it was striking for me for hillary clinton to release her tax returns and say i have made it shows she, and made $10.6 million on paid speeches and things beyond the pale of anyone who makes a regular income. and certainly making $10 million a year is beyond the reach of most voters in america. and say iare open understand the problems i read where people, when you have made way more money than anyone else in ways that most people cannot wait -- make, i do not think that does a lot. host: there is this tweeted -- "steve, live me up with a boilermaker." [laughter] host: we are going to get in trouble. let's go to austin, texas.

roland is on the phone, republican line. with stefan hankin, graduate of the university of massachusetts. [laughter] is strangere truth than fiction, how do we know that in -- the clintons, who have received multimillion dollars from countries all around the world into the clinton foundation, how do we know trump is not bought off by the clintons? they used to be friends. she went to his wedding. or something like that. how do we know that they did not offer a deal -- they met secretly. "e clintons and trump and set "hey, look, we will try to make you president, but when it comes to the nitty-gritty, you will mess up in order to make me win, and you will receive multimillion

dollars as well." it is a conspiracy theory, but what is the possibility? i have never heard anyone bring up the possibility that they are all in it? is a do you think that viable theory and could be orchestrated the way it has been thus far? caller: i do think that, based upon hillary's ability to receive money from very many people around the world that they probably thought about it trumplk to -- talked to before everything happened and said let's strike a deal. we know you are a billionaire, trump, but you will get more areions from us once we in office, because we will let you off the hook. host: do you believe that? ,aller: i think it is a theory

and it is a very good possibility that trump is bought and gethe will get paid protection from the clintons. host: we will get your reaction. guest: as a political junkie, i love conspiracy theories. this is what i have seen. who is evenne peripherally aligned with how hard it is to be a presidential candidate, the long hours, the fundraising -- to imagine someone would do this as a favor or without the intention of thinking they will win, this is very unlikely. has a tweet. "tinfoil hat caller." thank you. let's go to june in the field, florida. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my

call. host: thank you for joining us. caller: i would like to ask the gentleman who is for hillary clinton one question. i would love to have him tell me the truth, because i have been between thend forth campaigners. a she a muslim, and if not, why girl atnot appraise the the olympics, yet she did the muslim girl? i just need to know, because it seems to me like the muslims are striving -- are starting to take over our united states. and people around in town in florida, we have to be very careful. we are talking about letting them come into the schools to pray.our children to as christians, we are not allowed to do that. i would like for him to please

explain it to me and to be truthful for once. because a lot of things that hillary has said has comeback and bit her. host: thank you. guest: i will go with no on the muslim thing. our "first"e we had muslim president in barack obama, the next -- no. this week, donald trump outlined his economic agenda. thursday, hillary clinton responded with her agenda. both are online on c-span.org. this is the hillary clinton campaign responding to the trump economic plan. [video clip] ♪ s> this analysis that moody' has out, saying donald trump's

economic analysis will cause the economy to be significantly weaker. >> the wages too high, we will not be able to compete against the world. i am the king of debt. i love debt. i love dad. i love playing with it. i would borrow, knowing if the economy crashed, you could make a deal. >> you brought in foreign workers, instead of hiring americans. your company may factors in china. be great.plan will we'll have a dynamic economy again. they talk like i will give a tax increase. i am not. >> the biggest beneficiaries are the .1% when it comes to rod dollars -- raw dollars that will be saved. >> your proposed tax cut would $10$10 trillion dad -- add

trillion to the u.s. debt. ♪ clinton 1992, the campaign saying "it is the economy, stupid." how will the economy play out this year, for those americans who feel they are doing well and for middle class americans who feel they are getting the shaft? guest: it is always a big piece of the puzzle. i think we are seeing it, up -- come up a lot, but in a different way then in 1992. we are seeing a lot of folks who supporters strongly tenind trump -- are of in areas -- i think the "new york times close vote --- "new

york times" did a piece on it, where kids will have a tough time succeeding their parents, economically. and those are in line with donald trump. it is a very different dynamic than what we saw in 1992. the economy always factors in. we have also moved into a place where the hyper partisanship is at a level where these elections are incredibly predictable, and few people change because of an out side dynamic. host: but republicans critical thate campaign saying there are a large people out of the workforce, and you have a record number of people receiving federal assistance. how do you respond? how does the hillary clinton campaign respond? 'sest: by showing trump

statements over the years. clearly, our economy is shift doing and is moving further away from a manufacturing-based economy into a high-tech economy. and there will still be manufacturing, but a different type. therly, there are areas in country there are adversely affected by that. what i think -- what we are hearing from the clinton campaign and when she is in ohio talking tovania, is the people in industries moving away and talking about how will we soften that blow? and we will hear obviously a different message when she is in california or silicon valley or places like that, where the companies are at the front end of the movement of the economy. it depends where you are of how this is having an effect. it is interesting how some of these swing states have

manufacturers where they she has moved away. coal plants -- where the industry has moved away. coal plants are moving away. it will be interesting to see how both candidates juggle that juxtaposition. host: donald trump looking at new york, pennsylvania, ohio, indiana, saying these are states where there are a lot of towns that have been hurting because jobs have been moving out. can donald trump win new york? is a viable, given what is going on in upstate new york? guest: it seems like a longshot, but as we have been talking lot voters, are a especially in places like upstate new york, last seen underemployment. and for someone to come along and say i think we can do something different and turn the

family-run economically, those sort of issues make a difference. host: what about pennsylvania and ohio? guest: i think there is the same thing. there are places where you really see these sort of blue-collar, working-class voters who have had a rough go the last 10 years. caseould make a compelling in making federal government being your ally and not your enemy. i think there is the potential to turn those voters. host: is ohio a must win state for donald trump? every historically, republican who has won the presidency wins ohio. police is joining us from hollywood, democrat line. caller: good morning. there are two reasons i am glad trump has run.

i am glad he ran to expose to the country that such a super byagogue could be elected such a tremendous majority the second thing i'm glad of because i am a floridian -- and gl i'm glad that he annihilated marco rubio. i do not think marco rubio is a good senator for the state of florida. host: thanks for a call. response? i'm not on the murphy camp. everything i've seen publicly, he should win this with little room to spare. host: november? guest: clearly i would say the number advantage is to the

democrats to the seats that the republicans are defending this year. bit flips and 2018 and it's very ugly for democrats. i think it is 25 or 26 seats that democrats will have to defend in two years. even if democrats have a great night on november 8, 77 senate seats they may went, which is a far cry from 60. what makes me nervous as a democratic strategist is that in the next couple weeks, trump is viewed as pretty much unelectable. of have the kelly ayottes the world going out there and saying, trump is not going to win. do you really want a democratic senate in there with hillary clinton in the white house? back to washington and work with hillary, but i will make sure she does not run whatever she wants to the senate. i think that becomes a very powerful argument for a lot of voters.

but iot vote for trump, do not like the idea of democrats in charge of everything again. that is what scares me. by labor day, trump is viewed unelectable and then senate candidates on the republican side can make a compelling sending themsentimen back. host: we will be covering results on the c-span networks and the debates taking place in late september. waynesboro, virginia, republican line. caller: i have a question and then i would like to make a comment. i watched both conventions from start to finish and it is interesting at the democratic convention that they play the video tape of chelsea and the vodka trump, long time -- ivanka trump, longtime best

friends. why would the democrats have that video? host: your comment? caller: i think we are all being set up by the superrich. i think the man from texas is correct. ran because ivanka wanted her best friend's mother to be president. ther relationship with clintons at their wedding, that was not just a photo shoot. that was arm in arm best buddies. if donald trump really wanted to kasich asuld taken vice president, guaranteeing him ohio. it's no surprise hillary clinton picked tim kaine. she thinks it guarantees her virginia. i think we all need to vote for gary johnson.

i have never voted for a third-party, but i will actively work for him. i think he is the only hope we have got. host: thanks for call. gary johnson is our guest for the c-span "newsmakers" program. do you want to respond? guest: i know this is a common conspiracy theory, but it is unlikely that there some secret coalition between clinton and trump for both of them to run. suggest that being a virginia resident, i think the government would take umbrage with thinking that anyone other than him was a closer friend to the clinton. host: democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to say that i've been a democrat and everybody here that i've talked to and around the votes, we are going to vote for donald trump. donald trump is going to try to

the state that we are not going to be living in poverty. ever since obama has been in there, they have shut everything down. our schools are in trouble. our states are in trouble. people are out of jobs and everything else. i hope -- people need millions in west virginia. the man came there a while ago about hillary clinton shutting down all these minds and laying off the miners. over 20 in the mines something years and make good money. we need to get our state back on track again. thank you. host: who are you going to vote for them? n? caller: i'm voting for donald trump. that is west virginia, estate barack obama did not win in

2012. guest: i will say that hillary clinton will not win west virginia. host: let's go to nancy and overton, texas. caller: good morning. just look at the economy out there. just look at the corruption of this government and i mean from the top down. should be put in front of a firing squad for espionage. people are looking at her like she will say this country. she's not going to save it. all she will do is pocket more money. put outn't the media there what her funds are for? it is not for our country. it is for her. the corruption and this government -- i got a sister-in-law an and

houston. she says she is quitting this year. she has her master's degree in everything. you know my niece graduated and she cannot find a job a year later? this is pathetic. the democrats have destroyed this country. why can't people see this? we need four more years of this? host: ok. your final point, nancy? caller: we need trump anin there. he is a businessman and will align himself with nothing but the best for the country. host: let me take her comment and some of the previous callers and ask about the passion on both sides. you can sense her anger at the establishment and hillary clinton with her support for donald trump. we are seeing it on the other side as well.

is it any different than previous election cycles? guest: it does seem like there is a lot more passion. trump going tof be us as a party talking more about dealing with economic anxieties and having a government that works for them in the country getting back on the right track? i think you saw that with the calls that there is a lot of people out there frustrated and anxious and feel like there are not solutions out there. that turns people into very passionate supporters of candidates who seem to have those kinds of solutions. host: let me take you back to this pennsylvania rally. the chairman of the rnc, reince priebus, with these comments. >> we had a great poll that came out that showed a tied election in spite of the biased media. this man is going to win. he's going to save our country. is going to put us back to work again, put more money in people's pockets. [applause]

we are in a battle for freedom. that is why we are here. we are in a battle for freedom. that jamesame battle madison reaffirmed what the bill of rights, the same battle that sounded our country, and it is the same battle that we are here today to fight. host: breaking news on fox and the chairman of the rnc reaffirming his support for donald trump. is it news when the chairman of the republican party says he is supporting his nominee? guest: we have had an unusual primary cycle and it was anxiety of it trump will take direction or work better with the rnc? when we look at that rally, those discussions have gone pretty but. well. host: you are laughing. guest: when the other party is having a worse go of it than your own. it's going to be fascinating is how does the republican party

recover and come together after this election if it plays out the way we think it's on to play out? a lot of the supporters of donald trump are not only haters of hillary clinton, but they are haters of the "establishment" in the republican party. and that's where a lot of his boat was coming from in the if trver from that? how do you have the ability to have the same rational people in charge and post a message forward while keeping voters like this inside the tent? the big thing is how does donald trump go down? this to say thank you very much, i'm going back to the private world. does he try to blow the place up on the way out? as a democrat, i'm going to very fascinated to watch how this plays out come november. host: i want to ask you about what you think the overall voter

turnout will be among the registered voters. let's go to daniel and humble, texas. caller: my question is more for brian, a hypothetical question. if the polling continues to play out like this in 2016 and the republicans tend to be on the bad side of the minority vote and educated women vote and combine that with mitt romney, is this a scissor in the republican party? does the result can party try to realize this is nogoing right and try to think of something different? guest: that's a good question. ife do have a roh oit the cycle and do not do as well with voters we will clearly need to win moving ahead demographically, i think as a party we have been good about coming together after the election and figuring out what we can do different and better and making changes. ultimately as a party, that message is about small government and more individual

freedom and less taxes -- things that should be appealing in a y.oad-based wa sometimes we stumble on the wrong policies and the wrong words and do not get that out. if it is a tough eleio tre re-examination to figureuth's a better w toto make a compelling case voters that we have ideas that will help move your head economically. host: democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. myould like to direct comment -- i am a democrat and i am votinfo hilla. i would like to direct my comment to brian. heished like to know dropdead date for donald trump to reveal his taxes? if donald trump

is so intense and confident that he will bring jobs to america, why does he not move his factories that make sure shirts and ties in bangladesh and mexico back to the united states? host: thank you rosa, from south carolina. that: my understanding is releasing taxes is a voluntary thing. should he choose to do so, he could potentially withhold them forever. that certainly is what he is compelled to do. in terms of moving jobs back, one of the interesting things will be as he transitions to becoming a presidential candidate, he has stepped away from the business side. it will be much harder now than big decisions about his businesses at a time when he is also making big decisions about presidential campaign. i'm not advising the truck campaign, but i think it could be much harder than the past when he's obviously working arnd the clock on a

presidential campaign. host: corey lewandowski is from lowell, massachusetts. that is where our next call is from. caller: gd rning, steve. , 65% of theetts state legislature ballot positis are opsed by republicans. seats.s nin republicans aren't expected to compete in not one of them. five of them are unopposed with no republican on the ballot. 18 out of 2400 delegates were african american. trump has 1% african-american. when george w. bush was winning, he was getting 10% african-american. obama was record

african-american. it is right there for republicans, but they have not given an offer. they just haven't given an offer. we want to hear kitchen table talk. we do not want to hear just washington stuff. what are you going to do for the kitchen table? i was in cleveland and you see some of these guys right around in these big suvs and stuff . whatreouoing to do for the american people? ignore the other stuff. host: we are going to respond. guest: i think it's an interesting example. romney had his campaign headquarters in boston. the business of being applicable party is often difficult. you have to take on tough races and have to figure out how to win. your cycles where you do n as well. says, a republican

candidate should go out there and talk about kitchen table issues and make a case could probably be competitive in a place like massachusetts, which has not had luck finding those kinds of people. guest: being from massachusetts and a graduate from the university of massachusetts -- [laughter] you is interesting is that have governor romney compared to presidential candidate romney . republicans can clearly win statewide office in massachusetts, but it's the type of republican that can win i massachusetts that is a different than what is at the top of the ticket national. ly. you have a center from north dakota w can win on the summit level, but no democrat from north dakota will win on the presidti lel to the conversation earlier, republicans have what i consider a very good -- what do they call it? , the the 2012 election

autopsy. they broke down in the election and what do they need. i i read it from cover to cover and i was scared. i's t at they completely ignored every single word in that document, but at some point in time, the republicans will, i assume, actually start listening to what they know are the problems. becomehings can compe again, especially if democrats do not fix their internal problems. this is a problem with our politics where massachusetts has nine out of my members who are democrats. it is a state that is more of a 60-40 state. hio is a swing state, but look at a state like texas where there are late for democrats in a state. we have created very partisan districts. all moved into areas where we tend to be with like-minded people and things like that. it is becoming harder and harder to bridge divides and come to

consensus. that has a big problem both at the state and federal level with what is happening in our politics and our government. host: let me conclude with this question. overall turnout among registed te -- wh are we looking at right now? inpointit's tough to the exact number, but we saw high watermarks in 2008. it came back to where we normally end u in 2012. i think wl be about their again. what i think will be different this year is that we might see a lower drop off from the top of the ticket to the bottom. i think there will be people going into the voting booth and not voting on the presidential but voting on t satand congressional races because they cannot agree to vote for either candidate. host: agree or disagree? guest: i think it will be in line with the 2012 high presence of turnout. -- presidential turnout. those presidential on the voters will be coming out as much as they always do.

stephan,an and gentlemen, thank you both. we appreciate it. you're going to take a short break. when we comeac war talking about iran, a lot and the news, including the killian of the iranian sciena lot of qu0 million retu to iran. usreza nader will be joining as "washington journal" continues on the sunday morning. will be back in a moment. ♪ >> three years after a supreme court ruling overturned the pais voting act, courts across the country have struck down a number of state laws saying they discriminate against

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"q&a," a on documentary film instructor talks about his students possible award-winning documentaries, some of which have been an prizewinners in our annual studentcam competition. he teaches at jenks high school in jenks, oklahoma. >> i'm not the kind of teacher who will look at something that's not very good and go, oh, that's nice, you did a really nice job with that. i will say what is not working. eventually every single one of my kids makes a better piece than they did in the beginning -- every single one of them. eventually the kid to do really well internalize all this stuff. i no longer have to say it to them. their own brain is saying these things to them. >> tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's "q&a." announcer: "washington journal" continues. host: we want to welcome alireza nader, a senior policy analyst

for the rand corporation and an author of the book. thank you very much for being with us. guest: thank you. host: want to begin with this announcement from the official iranian government on the killing of that iranian scientist. why was he killed? guest: the iranian government has accused him of revealing national security secrets, especially on the nuclear program. we know that he was in the united states for it while -- a wild, cooperating with the u.s. government on finding more about iran's nuclear program. apparently he became homesick and wanted to go back to iran. the iranian government greeted him at the airport and he was a national hero and then he disappeared. recently the iranian government announced he had been executed for espionage. host: there are some who said because there were references to him and hillary clinton's

e-mails that she was partly responsible for his death. is that a fair charge? guest: no, that was totally false. that information about him was public way before. we have known about his case for a very long time. the e-mails had nothing to do and this case being exposed him going back to iran and being executed. host: and then the issue of $400 million with video of the plane landed. the president was asked about that at a news conference earlier this month coul hear was hi. here was his response. [video clip] >> some of you may recall we announced these payments in january. many months ago, it was not a secret. them.id a briefing on this was not some nefarious deal. explained that i

ran had pressed a claim before an international tribunal about them recovering money of theirs that we had frozen, that as a consequence of its working its way through the international tribunal, it was the assessment of our lawyers that we were now at a point where there was significant litigation risk and we could end up costing ourselves billions of dollars. it was their advice and suggestions that we settle. and that is what these payments represent. it was not a secret. we were completely open with everybody about it and it's interesting to me how suddenly this became a story again. that's point number one. point number 2 -- we do not pay ransom for hospice. hostages. we have a number of americans being held all over the world. and i meet with their families and it is heartbreaking.

up an entiretood expertsof inter-agency who devote all their time to working with these families to get these americans out. but those families know that we have a policy that we do not pay ransom. and the notion that we would somehow start now in this high-profile way and announce it to the world, even as we are looking into the faces of other , whose lovedies ones are being held hostage, and say to them that we do not pay ransom defies logic. host: the president earlier this month, but this was the headline from "the wall street journal." the administration insisting there was no quid pro quo. critics charge payment amounted to ransom. guest: it was not a ransom.

the cash payment is sort of the nuclear agreement between the and thetates and iran rest of the un security council that negotiated the agreement. evenase goes back to before the iranian revolution. the u.s. sold military equipment to iran. after the revolution, iran took american hostages. the funds were frozen and as part of the nuclear agreement, iran and the united states to go see the the release of these funds back to iran with interest. it was not connected to the release of the iranian americans held prisoner in iran. i think the timing might have been more of a coincidence than anything. i do not believe the media story that this was a ransom payment are actually accurate. host: let's talk about the larger issue of iran and its role in american politics. if you go back to the nixon

administration and the we have with iran for a number of reasons, then the hostage crisis that many people said contributed to jimmy carter's defeat, and then the iran-contra investigation, and then this president dealing with iran on somebody different threats, including the nuclear deal. i mention these because jeffrey thatn mentioned last week iran has had a significant influence over the last 30-4 years in determining the outcome of american elections are impacting american politics. guest: that is very true and it's amazing that iran occupies such a huge part of the american political debate. i think iran, as we get into the election, is going to become an even bigger issue. a lot of critics of the nuclear agreement have detected the iran agreement as being disastrous for american affairs. if you look at what the nuclear program has actually achieved,

it is actually a remarkable nonproliferation agreement, but it gets caught up in these partisan debates. iran is a very partisan issue unfortunately. with the iran nuclear agreement, it would've been great if we had a true national debate about the benefits and the cost of the agreement rather than having a partisan attack every time a story comes around about the agreement could hostt. host: who is in control and iran? is it the supreme leader or the president? guest: the supreme leader is definitely in control. the president is not powerless. he does not have power like the american president, but the iranian leader, who is in office for life, makes the key decisions and is backed by the revolutionary guards, who are very powerful. you have organizations like the

parliament, which i'm not doing as much as i should be under the iranian constitution, but the elected branches of the iranian government are the most powerful. host: we are talking about iran and u.s.-iran relations. our phone lines are open. is the line for republicans. (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. we have a great new radio app available for you. you can get all the details on a website at c-span.org or get it through your itunes store. caller: good morning. how are you, sir? host: fine, thank you. caller: i appreciate the discussion. basically wanted to say that because the general public does not have all the information, to me, it would have been a wiser decision for us to wait out a little bit longer to see what other concessions you could of .ot from iran

i think most of the american public fears that the lifting of the sanctions in the iranian deal will spawn terrorism around the country and i suppose there is a way for us to stop it. those's restrictions -- those restrictions or some kind of the or whatever he could of done to put iran in check so they would not be a threat to israel or america. unfortunately, we did not have secret security plans and we are not privy to details, but as the deal unfolds, it seems like a bad deal, but i do support the gentleman. i wish you could cap national debate without it being partisan, republican versus democrat, and most millions of americans want to know what the deal is really about and what it does for america, our lives and most important, how does a put iran in check. host: thank you.

guest: the nuclear agreement that pushed back nuclear capabilities in iran in orortant ways, it dismantled shuttled about two thirds of the cerifuges, the program is under international inspection, and in return for iran's were lifted again. i think the nuclear agreement has been very effective and moving forward, i think there should be a national debate. i think the information on the program is out there. it is out there for the public, on the department website. a lot of people have written about the nuclear agreement. i do not think it is necessarily bad. i think it is a very good agreement. it is essential that the next year's president really adheres to america's role in enforcing

the agreement and not as some candidates have said, which i think would be very bad for u.s. national security. host: our guest is alireza nader . he has written a number of books and publications. of next supreme leader secession in the islamic republic of iran, a graduate of the university of california santa barbara and his masters in washington in international affairs at george washington university, a veteran of the treasury and former research analyst for the center for naval analysis. let's go to doug on the democrat line from massachusetts. good morning. caller: good morning. in the spring the of 2015, there was a national security council meeting about having it a nuclear free zone and iran was in favor of this, but it was the dude by the united states. -- and it was vetoed by the united states to protect israel

nuclear monopoly in the area. i understand that there is a lawsuit against the government of the united states for its failure to enforce an amendment against israel. i was wondering whether your guest has any information on this. thanks. host: doug, thank you. guest: there is a discussion of a nuclear free zone in the middle east going back decades. while it seems radical, it is worth pursuing and it will be hard to achieve, like you said, and it u.s. opposition, and israeli opposition, as well. iran has used the concept to push back against israel in the region but there are a number of other countries, like egypt, arab countries, that are very [indiscernible] the concept. in the future, if conflict goes

down in the middle east, which is a big "if," we could see a more aggressive push toward a nuclear free zone in the middle east and it is not unrealistic. for the iranst is incorporation. one of our favorite callers joins us every 30 days like clockwork. , he calls us every 30 days. caller: steve, you are always so kind to all callers, doesn't matter democrat or republican, and that is why you are my favorite dive. i want to say that i think when doing with iran or any of these, i guess so-called enemies, we have to have a strong defense. during the obama administration, it is only 1% to 2%. steve moore, the economic advisor called and said, joe, 48 million small businesses like trump and the good thing is that

the 4% to 5% could cap a stronger military and the more lean military and whether it is doing with iran or our so-called enemies, we need to have a strong but lean national defense, so you need a lot of gold. we only have 2% now. it steve moore- is right, without 4% under donald trump. before you go, is it a good deal or bad deal for the u.s.? bader: i think it is a deal, steve. i do not think it is good at all. i think we should not be giving the money. i think we need to be tough on and hopefully the people in iran will come to their senses and elect a good leader that will get them out of there from the government they have not. host: thank you for the call and we will talk to and 30 days. caller: thank you, steve.

you are the best. bye-bye. host: let me ask you about the people who are on versus the supreme leader and the elected officials. is there a different sense, correct me if i am wrong, one of the figures is that the vast majority of the population under 35 do not remember what happened in the late 1970's and early 1980's with the iran hostage crisis. is it different for that generation, the "millennial" generation? guest: i think most do not remember the revolution, the u.s. support for the shock, and they do not necessarily have a bitterness toward america, they are young, tech savvy, they travel abroad, a lot of them speak english, have family in california, and they went to ensure iran. unfortunately, change has not come through electoral politics in iran. the current president hassan rouhani is limited in his power,

therefore, i think any major change will come once the supreme leader dies, and there has been rumors about his health. will not know how long he live, but once you guys coming will see major change in iran. it is hard to see if it will be will be elected to the middle east that there is a desire for change. host: can you understand why people feel the way they did when the official iran the end news agency announces the death of this iranian scientist, first you iran's number one enemy, the united states, calling us "the ahmadisatan," saying that provided u.s. with vital information about iran. we provide them with $400 million, which was their money, they get it back in return, they took a number of our hostages, including a reporter released earlier this year, but iran

calls us "the great satan." guest: that is what the government feels, but that doesn't mean that people necessarily feel that. i'm not saying all iranians love america, but i think the government's official position for the united states is very different than how the people feel. even when i ran was negotiating a nuclear agreement, hassan rouhani said this doesn't mean the rivalry between the two countries is over. all iranian officials feel that way, so i think once you have the over generation -- the older generation in iran die away, you can see the potential for people who are different approaches toward america and they will come to power. i think it is difficult to see that given everything happening thehe news, but there is potential for some positive change and positive change in u.s.-iran relations. that is what -- host: that is what sandy says --

seriously? the host and iranian-american guest to have unbiased views on the iranian deal, calling it the payout and ransom? guest: it is not the ransom the part of the nuclear agreement. popular conception is a gave iran money. it froze tens in billions of dollars in iranian assets and in return for iran reducing its nuclear capabilities, these assets or return. when you look at the media stories about the agreement, a lot of the hype was not real. iran was not in the region necessarily. doing very well, despite some of the money going back. oil prices are inhibiting iran's potential economic growth, so overall, the nuclear agreement has been a success so far. host: another tweet from michael

asking, who is next in line after the present leader of iran does die and how much to they fear of the saudi's? guest: we do not know who will come after ayatollah ali khamenei. the government will not discuss it publicly often. it is a very sensitive topic. there is a constitutional process for choosing the next leader, but who knows what will happen, really. i think we have to wait and see what comes after khamenei. i'm not saying it will be a democratic country right after. host: sam joins us next from virginia, democratic line. caller: good morning to you and your guest. i have a question regarding the article in "the washington post" that we are giving israel 10 to $12 billion in what is it for and why do they not talk about that? we give iran their own money and if this is a ransom, but if we

10 billion to $12 billion, it is nothing. [indiscernible] stuff that mr. t not who -- mr. benjamin on yahoo! is is doing, i went your guest to explain to me how does it work. actually, the united states and israel are renegotiating their military agreement. israel is supposed to get a very large and i would say capable military from the united states. this shows the u.s.-israeli military and security operation has improved. hasuld argue that not only the nuclear agreement improved israel's security and the

security of other u.s. allies in the region, but i think we are looking at probably the closest era of real american-israeli security and military cooperation in the middle east. redding following up on your point. we will show your questions and comments throughout the course of the morning. we are waiting for that old u.s.-iran relationship to die way, that is the way to change the prevailing paradigm of science. good morning. caller: good morning. just a comment. there is no parallels the train -- between the money iran gets back and the fact that we froze their assets and the military assistance that united states has given israel, so i do not see how they are or how there could be any parallel. ifh regard to mr. rouhani,

you read his book or you have read his book, the man rhapsodize is about how he hold the wall over the eyes of the european union with number of issues, but i wanted to ask the gentleman if he could address withhe nuclear agreement u.s.-iran, but that iran borrowed intercontinental rockets, they did not hit anything, but they fired them in direct contravention of some agreements, and somehow, the sanctions were replaced back on them, but because somehow it is a u.n. agreement and they were u.n., evenrly by the though they indicated that they can hit europe and israel, but i

was wondering if the gentleman could address those questions and i would take my answers off there. guest: iran has tested ballistic of thes in contravention u.n. security council resolution banning such testing. the u.s. has placed sanctions against iran for those missiles. it is crucial to remember that despite the nuclear agreement, a lot of u.s. sanctions remain against iran, going back to 1979-1980, so the u.s. is sanctioning iran still for supporting terrorism, abusing human rights in iran, for its regional activities, so the claim that the u.s. gave iran money is not quite true. were frozen because of the nuclear agreement and they were released, but a lot of sanctions remain against iran and the united states still continues to push back against iran's

activities in the region and that home, as well. host: we welcome listeners on c-span radio. is ali -- our guest is ali nader. our next guest on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning to you all. i want to thank you for this opportunity. is, first,question should iran pay its debts? -- $400 million was their money, but shouldn't they pay their debt out of that? has actually been ruled against in u.s. courts and is expected to lose some of were a lot of the money for conducting terrorist attacks and in response of terrorist attacks against the united states and iranian government is upset about that.

so iran is obliged to have some of each funds use against them because of past activities. host: where in iran are you from? guest: tehran. host: how big is it geographically, if it was in u.s., it would be the size of -- guest: probably, the biggest country in the middle east population of 80 million, very diverse geographically, desert, mountains, rivers, the sea. shot of iran who passed away in the late 1970's, where is his family now? guest: potomac, maryland, so close to us. host: let's go to martin in dayton, ohio, democrat line. good morning. caller: hello, yes, as far as iran and u.s. relations, anytime we start a conversation about modern times it are two countries, we have to start with

or go back as far as 1951, back era, but we did not talk about 9051, democratic leader was elected and then kermit roosevelt went in there and he was like the great, great and he helped, ferment arose solution there and there was a coup. they are democratically elected leaders, whether or not you would be a good leader or not, we do not know, he was taken out of power. also, i think he was man of the year in 1951 and then the our came to power with backing, a corrupt autocrat, and he was in power, so the trust to another two nations has been breached. in this country, we have a short-term horizon of our

thinking is short-term, but i think, and i have not been to iran but i have traveled all of the the world, i think it will take a long time for that trust to be rebuilt. iran has their own issues. israel -- i am sorry, they back hezbollah, they have some kind of erotic hangup with other things to do in the various ways, but we had to look at ourselves and the fact that we took this person out of power and really go into places like iraq and we say we want to have democracy here, but yet, we back mubarak for 40 years, so we have not been consistent at all, so how can they believe what we say question mark host: we will get -- sawhat we say? guest: you are right, there is a lot of bitterness going back to 1953. ae u.s. and u.k. it organized

coup against iran's government and a lot of iranians still think of that when they think about the u.s.-iran relationship and a number of other terrible things have happened, the revolution, the hostage taking, etc., but i think it is important for both countries to overcome the bitterness and division and it will take a lot of time for that to happen. the nuclear agreement, you may the argument that it is a start in that direction, but relations between the u.s. government and iranian government have not drastically improved, but the two sides are at least talking and indicating. i think it is important for the united states to be diplomatically engaged, even if they do not agree on everything, and the u.s. is not going to agree with everything that iran does in the middle east and at home, but it is going to take decades for the relationship to

improve, but i think there is potential there and we are seeing some of this today. host: can we trust and verify the inspectors? kelly verify that they are filling their end of the bargain? -- can we verify that they are fulfilling their end of the bargain? guest: we have them looking into the program 24/7. i think the issue is that we can havet trust the iea, they the resources and means to verify iran's intentions. , we should not trust iran, but if they cheat, the u.s. has a good chance of responding if that happens in the future. host: let's go to gregory from answering the, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. host: where in pennsylvania? -- draw an an x

x in the rectangle and you will be very close, up in the susquehanna valley. host: thank you. caller: perhaps our guest can enlighten us as to how iran derived from persia and the auspicious relationship between iran, persia and the third -- theof former germany third reich of former germany? i appreciate your answer on this. guest: in has been called for thousands of years and it comes iranthe greek term for [indiscernible] iran -- we decide to change iran's title from persia to iran. but theselso had some for not like british influence

in the middle east. they were formally allied with not to germany, but the allies did invade iran and did overthrow the shah and insult his son -- install his son as the last shah in 1979 -- last shah in 1979. navy membersr of or held for less than 24 hours in iranian waters but why did the iranian government to that question mark -- government do that? guest: they wanted to show it as force, to show that they are relevant after the nuclear agreement. the hostage-taking was very televised in iran, very public, and the iranian government did try to humiliate the sailors from propaganda points. but because the u.s. and iran have established close diplomatic relations of the highest level and the u.s.

secretary of state and foreign minister, this book about the issue. to get thes able release of the sailors almost immediately. host: so if there was not agreement on other issues, potentially, they would have kept them longer? years ago, british marines and sailors were taken in the crisis lasted for weeks. host: let's go to teresa from illinois. good morning, independent line. caller: good morning. i just have to say as a person of color, the propaganda about to people'slting intelligence. if people read the history the united and states, they will find out who started the conflict. it was the u.s., the u.s. starts most of the conflicts in the world, but they blame everybody else, the money that the united states gave iran, it was iran's money that the united states had holding, just like they

helped libya's money and it probably never gave libya their money back, and as far as israel is concerned and israel security, how did israel get that? kills colonialism, they people. after what they went through in germany, they went to the middle east to palestine and killed a bunch of arabs and muslims and to their men and put the rest in refugee camps. host: your response? guest: there is a lot of misconception i think in both countries about the relationship . unfortunately, iran has an issue of intense partisan debate in the united states and in iran, creates a lot of propaganda about isis, so i think in iran, the public is beginning to get a better picture of the united states becauseof social media, of the ability to access

information internationally, so hopefully, at a societal level in iran, some of the information is going to go away and iranians will have a better sense of what the united states is really about come and with a nuclear agreement, the hope is that there could be more people to people exchanges and for iranians to come to the united states and the more about the united states, and for americans to go back and see iran, and that is difficult when the iranian government is interesting iranian-americans, but in the future, relations between the countries could open up. host: our guest and his masters in international affairs and the author of the book "the days after a deal with iran: continuity and change in iranian foreign policy." alicia joins us of arkansas. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. , we wereike to start founded, this country on judeo christian beliefs.

today of christians believed that they are granted in to the covenant with jesus christ, which is a jew. we believe that we back israel 100%. we do not agree most judeo christians with an iran agreement that was made through this administration. theyare neither persian, , and asenemy of israel far as israel's land, god made that established in the this, the bible. everybody can believe what they want to believe, but that is truth. poses it is because iran such a threat to israel and u.s. interests in the middle east that i think the nuclear agreement is important because abilityy strains iran's

to up and eyes their program. before the agreement, analysts believe that iran was about one month away from being able to weaponize this program and breakout. now, iran is about one year away, and if it decides to weaponize the program, the united states has one you to ' is provocation, so the nuclear agreement makes the region safer and not the other way around. from our last caller indiana, sean, good morning. caller: good morning, steve. you are my favorite post of the morning programs. programs. the morning i have been here for years as an iranian-american and they went at the more for the relationship between the audit states and the people of iran, and as long as

they are in power in iran, it is impossible. [indiscernible] ah lives around the area and you should have them come to your showed 11 to talk about the future of iran. i want to make last points. before, we have had to mom in the past but i am curious before you make your point, your own story, you came here 40 years ago under what circumstances and what to do today in indiana? ander: i came as a student a couple years after i was here, the revolution happened. host: late 1970's, early 1980's. caller: exactly. ago, ie a citizen 25 is am a proud american, and i love my heritage also. i cannot go back to iran because the situation is horrible. host: to have family still in iran? caller: distant family. most of the family has passed away. but the two points i wanted to he did not go home because

he was homesick during and he went home because he was pressured. his son, mother and family were there and they were pressured. the word on the street is that the pressure [indiscernible] number two, we talked about the semantics, whether they are ransom payments or not. ago, there were 30,000 days and on the same day, but iranian americans are released and the money is released to them and that is kind of suspect . is it money for the release or not? 14,000 days and the same day happens to be that [indiscernible] thank you for adding your voice and personal story, coming to the u.s. from iran. we appreciate it. we will get a response. guest: the media has perturbed

the scientist, and of course, you are right, chances are that and he was pressured to return to iran. i think this is a danger of iranians abroad that they face, if they decide to go to iran, it is not safe for a lot of iranian americans, as he had seen. one iranian-american is still in prison and i think it is a risk for any iranian to have some sort of a public or political profile. released,f the money if you look at the history of disputes between the united states and iran, the nuclear agreement essentially addressed many, if not all, of the dispute. a lot of the disputes were solved during the negotiation on the nuclear agreement, so i would not call the release of but they suspicious,

international tribunal dealing with the issue could have really rolled in iran's neighbor and iran could have received more funding if the united states had not settled the iran at this point. you: a lot of the books have written, "saw and iranian relations since the fall of saddam." the author of "days after the deal with iran: continuity and change in iranian foreign policy," thank you. come back again. host: this is one of the developing stories in the headlines on this sunday morning journal." ilwaukee as the crowd turns on police, another situation involving an large american city. we have one line set aside for milwaukee residents. we want to talk about the situation, relations between police departments and minority communities.

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i will be the basis of our first question for the next half hour and to get your reaction to what happened in milwaukee. this is the scene as it unfolded overnight. let's listen. i knew they were coming. payback. that ain't enough. host: 202 is the area code. 748-8001 for republicans. (202)-748-8000 for democrats. we do have a line set aside if you live in milwaukee. .hat number is (202)-748-8003 for milwaukee residents, (202)-748-8003. let me read to what "the milwaukee journal" writes this morning -- asked the crowd turns violence after police fatally shoots an armed man. the story is on the website and they say violence and protest directing in the walkie overnight after a man was fatally shot by police during a

foot chase. the victim was 23 years old, armed with a handgun and shot dead by an officer after fleeing a traffic stop on the lock's north side saturday afternoon. hours later, angry crowds took to the street, up smashing a police car, setting fire to another, one officer injured by a flying brick, the gas station and auto parts store set on fire, and gunshots were heard throughout the area. the mayor of milwaukee pleading early-morning news conference asking residents "to do everything to help restore order." you love your son and daughter, text them, call them, pull them by the ear and get them home. at least three people up and arrested as of early sunday morning. larger issue of race relations, and that is in the latest edition of national review. why racee relations -- relations got worse and here's a

quote that says "the united states has never been entirely sure what to do about race." he then says donald trump is the voice support white america and that the black lives matter movement is the voice of the dispossessed black and sympathizers. let's hear from you on that situation in the lucky over the weekend and what is next with the relations between police department sun communities and the african-american community. rusty in texas, good morning. caller: howdy. i just wanted to say i think it will get worse before it gets better and the lack of accountability when it comes to police brutality and unjustified killings by the hands of von forstmann is really kind of feeling this situation. host: thank you. let's go to sharon in illinois. caller: i am surprised it does not happen more, but the situation in milwaukee seems like you will get communities

and uproar or riots going on inn there is overcrowding sync and it just has to do with overcrowding in schools. thatu have communities have lower population, or they have a decent amount of kids to teach in schools, you know you don't have that problem in communities like that but as soon as you have overcrowding in schools or communities, where the teachers do not have as much get moreen you tensions, but that is all i wanted to say. host: thank you. this is a tweet from marie, who says it is a travesty what democrats have done to their cities. we have one mind set aside for milwaukee residents, (202)-748-8003. and kyle joins us from wisconsin. good morning. caller: [indiscernible] host: kyle? brenda from to houston, texas.

good morning. good morning, stephen. it has been a while since i spoke with you and called in. i am disturbed to hear about the incident in milwaukee, but i want to refer to the article you read shortly before taking calls about what happened to train the races -- what happened between the races. i can remember vividly the black to in thenerve presidential race in 2008, and thee, the tea party palin types came out of the woodwork. it has been going downhill ever since. and that police situation is not going to straighten out until theiry calls in and says mantra is that they are blue by date and white by night, meaning they were the ku klux klan outfit at night.

and so they get rid of that element, shit will not work. there will know peace. can i add this? host: sure. caller: i get frustrated as an african-american woman constantly having to listen to what the republicans, and i put that in quotations and underlined in bold print, think what is best for .frican-americans republicans are not good for african-americans and that is why we vote for democrats. thank you. host: thank you for the call. let's go next to don from houston, texas. your reaction and the larger issue of relations between police department sent minority communities. caller: how i question mark? 5 -- how are you host: fun, thank you. caller: people are being forced to take a stand because of systemic injustice.

there is a three-tiered system, god's law, man's law and the street law. if he cannot bring them together under one umbrella, this type of stuff will continue to happen, so until there is justice for all, and what does that incorporate? justice for all. the woodrow wilson administration, he came up with a number which is called the league of nations and now it is united nations, where we are supposed to be the united states. is the waybe united the post your community and black community is so different? host: thank you for the call. this tweet saying, police said

nothing to do with democrats or republicans and they had no reason to form their tactics -- to reform their tactics -- nobody has to control them. let's turn to the olympics and how this is playing out. this is from "the usa today," american summer simone manuel speaking out after winning the 100 meter freestyle, the first african-american female summer to take gold in an individual event. she says "it means a lot, especially with what is going on in the world today, some of the issues with police brutality. this win hopefully brings hope and change to some of what is going on. my color just comes with the territory." lets go to debra from wilmington. good morning. caller: yes, and innocent cop gun,a man who had still a and that man was running with a , riots aregot shot

starting, they are getting picked on, they blowed up the police car, and blacks say we are racist? no, we are not. stop blaming us. they are looters, they burn stuff. blacks are the angry people and they are very disruptive. they destroyed stuff. they do, we don't. they need to stop being destructive and hitting cops 'sth bricks and burning people property, and burning police cars. they should be in jail for arson. host: debra from north carolina. if you live in milwaukee, (202)-748-8003. the washington post had this piece last month on july 15 of this year. aren't more white people than black people killed by police? yes, but no. in 2015, "the washington post"

launched real-time database to track police shootings and the project continues this year. of sunday, 1004 hundred two people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since january 2015. of them, 732 were wiped, 381 as datack, but scientist notes, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police compared to how many are killed by black isricans i police statistically dubious unless you first adjust for the population. according to the most recent sense of data, there are 100 --lion more people wiped like people in america than black people. only about 49% of those who were killed by police officers. african-americans account for 24% of those daily shot and killed by the police, despite gains as 13% of the u.s. population.

full stories available online at washington post.com. we go to jim from florida. caller: thank you. i have two points to make, what play for terrorist like the ku klux klanner died in the police force? i think we need to look at the police rather than the police department. we need to find out more about where are they from, where they recruited from, what other backgrounds? some of these policemen could be affiliated with these terrorist groups. host: go ahead. caller: that is it. host: let's go on to ray from leavenworth, washington. good morning. there, so we go to mike from maryland. good morning. caller: good morning, sir. host: go ahead, please. caller: ok.

aheadn the 1960's, i am of the journalist reader and i read a lot, and i noticed a lot boxes saying how to read obama's tenure in office and i said that is not the point. it is the republicans on the right one most of the social programs and on top of that, if you look at the tax cuts, let's put two and two together. you are hiring military and a focus on the ex military and police officer jobs and social programs have been cut and we have cooked up that all the jobs and we sent them to china. it has been a fivefold process. why can't we get it together? trump is an idiot. his programs will not work either. obama tried to do something and ali did was fun congress. we need to change that and get social programs working again

and get the wages back up so we can pay taxes and higher more cops and not have the problems like this. we need social programs and you cannot guarantee people jobs. remember, i wish you all a good day. host: thanks for the call and more from nbc news in this scene from around milwaukee and available on the website, but this headline -- the crowd turns violent after police fatally shoot armed men. you go to diana from milwaukee. thanks for being with us. caller: good morning. i heard about this last but when my son telephoned me. i was born and raised in milwaukee. i am 74 years old. in my opinion, this is ridiculous and district did and undermines any credibility of what minorities have. was chasing a man carrying a gun, and armed felon,

should not have had a gun in the first place, and to see how this was somehow unwarranted is incredible. i am so disgusted with hearing about this type of thing. it makes no sense, no sense whatsoever. social programs notwithstanding, i think people need to use logic and start in their own communities. someone was trying to protect them and it makes no sense. host: this morning, if you wake up in your city, are things calmer today? fromr: i would assume reading the news, but i don't live in the inner city. i live in the outskirts. yes, this suburb, but is unusual for the area and i think there is no sense whatsoever, the so-called community leader talking last night and talking about people hurting. how can it be hurting went the criminal runs in the shoes with

a gun in his hand? i do not understand that. host: go ahead, i'm side. caller: that is it. host: thank you. onking at the use of course the vanity fair website, and making the point that a study as found "evidence of significant bias in the killing of unarmed like americans relative to unarmed white americans, in that the probability of being black, unarmed and being shot by police officer is the .5 times the probability of being wiped -- of being wiped come unarmed and shot by police officer on average." the situation in milwaukee was with an armed subject fleeing after routine traffic stop. let's go to don from maryland. the morning. caller: good morning. how are you doing? the thing is i do not want to make this a race issue but at the end of the day, it becomes a

race issue. one, if you look at how many white officers are killing unarmed black man, whether they are wrong or right, black officers killing white men, it is way off. it gets to the point where people get tired and don't get to the point where [indiscernible] white americans, not all of them, but most of them, really do not understand the plight of being a black american in this country. a lot of them say, we are looking for it or destroying our own, but at the same time, when people keep getting fed the same nonsense but it is now that the media is picking up on it, i do not think they tried understand a black person feeling like this system is against them, and this outhe way for them to lash and do certain things that maybe they do not want to do, but to

get their voices heard. maybe they need to do things that are unwarranted. it is refreshing to me that a lot of white americans feel like we are all just ignorant and we just go out and it is a thing, when many of the cases, these people will follow their lot and they got killed. police officers are not placed judges, they are placed there to arrest people that are on the right and how the justice system determines whether they are on the right, not to just kill people whenever they feel like it is necessary for them to do. host: thanks for the call. again, the larger issue is in the latest edition of. "national review" one take on race relations -- edition of "the national review." when take on race relations and he says, though black voters

overwhelmingly excite police violence as a significant problem, they also care deeply about filing crime in their neighborhoods." let's go to illinois. caller: good morning. i would just like to say until people stop or christians start putting god back in this society, it will happen and continue to happen. put god back into what is happening. if my people that were called by my name [indiscernible] -- then they will hear from heaven. talkinglot of people about the situation in chicago. this view are saying chicago year to date, shot and killed, 403. shot and wounded, 2217. total shot -- 2620. total homicides -- 444, making

the point that it is barack obama's hometown. let's go to maryland next. caller: good morning. i sit and watch this. i just returned from abroad. i have been overseas for a couple of years. hearing it from that perspective, i think the media plays a part in this. we become more hypersensitive because we see these stories again and again, when it just may be -- i will not say isolated incidents, but the incidence, we see them again and again replayed, and it is like the tragic incident in the envoy ont the last, who was killed the accident at the water park. and we weremedia, just flooded with shooting and was ahing else and i

law-enforcement before i worked abroad, and i do look at myself as crooked or anything else. home asant to return any other person who does their job and i think they make it difficult for law enforcement officers out there. i mean those and everything, we have people that are crooked and i continued to pray for our abroad, we are turning on each other and that is not what america should be. you for the call. roy, with reference to earlier statistics, saying it is bogus and does not factor in the unarmed of the white black individual. this is back to the issue of shootings of white versus black americans. protesters crowd of score restrict police in

milwaukee, where an officer shot and killed a man after a traffic stop at the chase earlier in the day. police say the 23-year-old man was armed with a handgun and the mayor of milwaukee same the officer or suspect dropped the and theut refused officer shot the suspect twice, adding that the officer was wearing a body camera." the assistant chief told the milwaukee centered sentinel whether it was not clear -- it was not immediately clear whether he pointed at the officer and described the man as a suspect that did not say what led to the traffic stop. let's go to jesse from oregon, independent line. good morning. to her for having me. i wanted to say that out of the country, or the you are black or are,, whatever race you during this election, we have to to come together and defeat a mighty force. whether we do that with genocide or whether we do it with love, i think that we all need to come

together in this election because he will bring our country into a downfall. thank you. rory in st.ld go to louis. caller: good morning. great program this morning. thank goodness for c-span. troubled that it has finally come to light after all these years, thanks to social media and all that, that there has been a systematic oppression of minority communities. i am not just talking about black and white, but brown, gay, , andashing, you name it sat in the pd

department and being pulled over for suspicion of being under the wasuence when really there not even anything wrong with the and they wereving making all kinds of anti-gay slurs and they were asking me what club i went to end all this and thisd i just knew was way longer grow, too. kept my mouth shut and said i cannot remember the name an satplace i went to there and so they released me. anyway, i have to sit there and listen to all kinds of nasty references. it is not just black people at problems with police in this country. they are like an organized -- and it is the trust in the police that is so low and it is

getting lower due to social media. the best thing that could happen is coming a deep awareness and community policing, where they live in communities that they serve and then they serve and protect, rather than a press and hate. -- then the press and hate. if we elect trump, good luck to the nation. that is all i have to say. host: thank you for the call. this tweet from matt, who says with a gunm cops in your waistband is not a crime punishable by death, may not pose threat. did the men shoot or not? thank you for your tweets. we will continue the conversation tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern time, 4:00 on the west coast and we begin with the author of the book zika, the emerging epidemic, by donald mcneil jr.

we will talk about the virus and as it continues to spread, especially in south florida. reid wilson to talk about campaign 2016 and some of the key battleground states, including pennsylvania, hillary clinton will be tomorrow and donald trump will be in ohio. james green joins us from nasa as a focus on your money. $1 billion for the space probe to jupiter. our guest and topics tomorrow morning on a book with the washington journal." "newsmakers" is up next. enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great week ahead and stay cool in the record heat. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] , newsmakers isan

next with libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson. that's followed by former president bill clinton and jimmy carter talking about public service and global events. later, dr. anthony fauci but the national institute of allergy's and infectious diseases gives us an update on the zika virus and the potential impact on pregnant women in the u.s. >> joining us from las vegas on c-span's newsmakers program is former new mexico governor gary johnson. libertarian party presidential nominee. thank you very much for being with us. gov. johnson: great to be with all of you. thank you. >> joining us is david drucker, senior correspondent for the washington examiner. also the host of the examining politics podcast which is available online at washingtonexaminer.com. governor, let me begin with the commission on presidential debates which is sent at the