to reduce climate change then heather mcghee from demos action. now, "washington journal." host: good morning everyone on this august 18, 2016. we want to turn our attention to what happened in milwaukee over the weekend after the fatal shooting of civil smith who was shot by a black officer which led to rioting in the city's economically depressed and mostly black side of town. the milwaukee sheriff david clarke who gained national attention for his speech at the convention last month printed an op-ed saying it was liberal

policies that fueled the riot in his city and republicans (202) 748-8001 and democrats call in on (202) on 8002 -- on [phone rings] let's begin with that piece written by the sheriff of milwaukee david clarke where he writes the failed progressive urban policy causes anger and resentment that simmers below the surface and the officer-involved shooting was simply a catalyst that ignited he already vol tile mixture of inescapable poverty, failing k-12 public schools,

dysfunctional -- host: that is what he wrote in the hill newspaper here in washington. and this is what was put together. they said milwaukee is literally considered the worst place for african-americans to live in america writing clarke may place the blame on black people for the rioting but over the past half century it the milwaukee metro area under clarke's jurisdiction has given black people any other populations. it's the city with the most black students in the state that has the most black-white student achievement gap in the country and it doesn't get better when you look at incarceration rates.

it writes they encars trait most black men and in the county almost half of the black en in their 30's and 40's have served time and in the 53206 zip code alone 62% of all men have spent time in an adult correctional facility by the age of 34. they ask civil smith's brother what it would take to quell the rioting. he said it's not me, i'm going to let y'all know right now it's not us guys neither. though clarke rallied every law-abiding person, particularly black people to, condemn black cultural dysfunction in milwaukee, he's deflecting from ooh common criticism of police violence. --

host: so with all of that on the table, we want to get your thoughts on this this morning. derek in chicago, another city like yours -- like milwaukee that's being scrutinized for police behavior and the violence and the crime that's happening there, what are your thoughts about what the sheriff wrote from milwaukee? caller: the sheriff i watch him on fox a lot and he never has anything good to say about black people. when you say, you know, cops killing you know armed black men, he always gets on there, and he sides with the police, you know? he is a police, so i understand that part of it. but he never, ever has anything

good to say about black people. and in my understanding, it's black people that's puts him in offers. so he is an elected chair. host: an elected sheriff? so your point is? caller: my point is he is always on the other side of the issue when it comes to police and unarmed black people. host: so he joined the milwaukee police department in 1978 as a patrol officer and was elected in 2002 and serving his fourth sturm what the palm beach put together and although he spoke clarke is a registered emocrat and has a podcast he has defended being registered as a democrat saying sheriff elections should be

nonpartisan. so that in the palm beach post this morning. let me go on to joel who is a democrat. joel, what do you sympathy of the comblame by the sheriff that it's liberal politics in the media that's fueling these riots? caller: i don't think it's the media at all. it's the police and how to use daily force. this issue is much different, i believe than the one that happened in baltimore. i was actually in baltimore when the riots were going on. i drove down there to peacefully protest. this is not a black lives matter or police force in my opinion, because the guy was armed and all the details haven't came out, but this one right here is not anything in my opinion to protest about or get in uprising about.

my comment is just the black lives matter group is not a hate group but the things that david -- sheriff clarke is saying, he insites violence. and i really think he has to be stopped like the last caller said, he never has anything positive to say even when it's true that an unarmed man is being gunned down, he never has nything positive to say. host: and the police officer that shot the man was wearing a body camera and that video will be released later today after the investigation. now caller, what do you think is happening in your city and what do you think caused the rioting? caller: this has been brewing for a long time, greta. the shooting on that saturday was just the last straw on the camel's back. there was another shooting

about a year or so ago when a borderline retowarded black man was shot at a park because a starbucks employee called and complained that he was sleeping on a bench but the segregation divide is so strong in this city and the black community living in that certain neighborhood, it's so impoverished and the weather was extremely hot and these people have no opportunity for advancement and the sheriff saying it's because of the obama administration, well, we have had a republican governor here and people who visit milwaukee if you go to the suburbs, it's so extremely white. donned trump came here a couple nights ago to speak to the black community and he goes 45-50 minutes from where the riots happened, that's most

commithe white county in the state of wisconsin. it's 98% white and he comes here to have a message for the black people? there's no opportunity for them and they don't have the proper cars, and they just living in that neighborhood and this is what happens as a result. this is a republican administration we've had in the state of wisconsin. host: all right. well, let me show you a map that brookings put together. they base it on census data that show the crimes in black-white segregation but as high as 100% in milwaukee around 81%, i believe is the number on your screen. the dark blue circles are where segregation is at its highest around the country to milwaukee's point. and these deaths show why milwaukee was primed to explode. nearly one out of three black

milwaukein's live in extreme poverty. mother jones put that together. s are 7 percent of black proficient in math and almost 0% of -- this is all on mother jones website. this shows why milwaukee was primed to explode. do you agree with that or the milwaukee sheriff david clarke who says it's because of liberal politics in the media? let's go to republican bill, hi. what do you think? caller: well, first my response was to that initial caller regarding the sheriff saying that every time somebody sees him on tv, all he does is support the police.

just in contrast, every time black one of the representatives sharp on the or one of these guys, they are always anti-police. just to have contrast there. also, it all bases down to traditional home values, strength of a family, mother and father, and all the substitutions of character and upbringing is a major factor that seems to be a subject that a lot of these people in these nakeds just don't want to factor in as part of a major issue. host: and bill, do you agree with the other side that you said that's part of it. do you agree with folks on the other side who say there are some institutional failures?

lack of education, lack of access to jobs that the one was r from milwaukee talking about. do you agree that could be part of it as well? caller: well, absolutely it is a factor. it's become a mindset, you know? and in a lot of these areas that are just anti-establishment. could go back to the late 1960's-1970's. the whole anti-institution and anti-government type of thing. similar type of mentality that they haven't been able to grow ut of and evolve out of yet. unfortunately, until community response from their officials and city county critical and the mayors in the city with all this turmoil comes from, you know, they like to say it's a lot of democratic this and that, but you need to get after

it and vote in the people that control your community. that's what we do. host: so a little bit more from the sheriff in this piece he wrote from the hill newspaper. what happened saturday night and again sunday night has loyal to do with police use of force. it was a collapse of the social order where tribal behavior leads to reacting to circumstances instead of waiting for facts to emerge. the law of the jungle replaced the rule of law in milwaukee saturday night over an armed and al career criminal several people were -- four other people were murdered in milwaukee in separate incidents before the cop shooting and no riot ensued. ken, from alexander, virginia, independent. you're up next. good morning to you. caller: good morning to you. yeah. my pedigree, i was in law

enforcement since 1992 in urban communities. i'm a black man, first and foremost and i find mr. clarke to be a completely irrelevant side show. anybody that goes on the fox news definitely has a bias. there's a reason why they are invited on there. it's unimportant to, because his job is to serve our community. the last caulter said you have to change the things that somebody else controls but there in lies the problem. somebody else controls guns that go if and it's not just on of nus on the descendants the people of slavery that -- like i said, i've been in police for a long time, and for him, i've never held a government official responsible for issues. that's not -- he is a sheriff.

he is supposed to represent the people. he is not supposed to talk bout his -- but he certainly has some personal shuss. host: republican now, hi, reese. caller: good morning. just to talk a little bit about sheriff clarke. you know, the number one thing that bothers me, abuse i'm a black republican but right now a lot of these republicans are getting famous talking about the black struggle in a negative manner. don't get me wrong. we shouldn't be supporting criminality especially when these people or groups are going out there and rioting and all that but in regards to the situation, you know, he is partially right. if you look at malcolm x in 1963 he said the knee guerrero rev solution controlled by foxy right liberals but the black rev solution controlled only by god so we had a recognition in

the 1960's that there are leftists that really wanted to own the revolution but in my opinion for black people to rise up and sol their problems, we have to stop bashing them when they get together. right now you hear a lot of conservative people saying deal with them as a terrorist domestic group but domestic terror groups tend to be more organized. don't get me wrong, they are doing criminal things. and we really should be talking about prosecuting these people and doing these things and when people talk about things about media bias, people tend to forget right 2340u currently when it comes to media people are not looking at these object ivers. it's if my side sounds good, i own it. and that's why we are losing america is because there's not a lot of discourse on just the

facts. michael brown, he did charge the officer in the opinion of the justice department and all that. we can't always just look at things and politte size them to the point where we get so angry. so i partially agree with sheriff clarke but i just don't like his message because he is using the black struggle to get too much of his own black shine. host: democrat, you are on the air. caller: i'm calling and i don't appreciate the sheriff's opinion. i agree with the gentleman that just called that said that you know, he is pushing his own political gain. but one of the callers that called in and spoke toward black people as if he'd lived their struggle, and i am a 50-year-old black female, and i lived in the city all my life and i got beyond that, but i

was one of few, ok? and that's because we do have family values. we have family units, and people end to think oh, we are just bums and slums and we are not important. but we don't have opportunities either. i had to struggle myself to get beyond the neighborhood that i lived in. so until you walk the walk, don't talk the talk. that's what i wanted to say. thank you. host: more of your calls coming up here but in other news "washington post" front story what they are saying is a shakeup in the donald trump staff. the campaign says it's an expansion not a shakeup and robert costa has the details of how this came about and writes in the opening behalf in its place will be a political pitch with ire at both parties and coupled with harsh critiques of democratic rival hillary clinton and trump plans to

commit himself to five crucial states where he hopes rock us rallies and relent eless appearances on television will electrify his working-class base and thousands of other people who have grown disengaged and frustrated with the political class. now taking on a top role, ban nonseems likely to turn up the volume on nationalism. so that in "the washington post" and also says this about those states that donald trump plans to focus on democratic nominee hillary clinton is ladsing trump by five points in florida, three points in ohio, nine points in pennsylvania according to the latest real clear politics averages and it says that donald trump at the very least donald trump has and y made an entrance

plans to they have bought spots in florida and ohio, n.c. and pennsylvania na these air ads by the donald trump campaign and will be released friday, to remember. -- tomorrow. mrs. clinton has spent $60 million trumpling mr. trump in battleground states. and "the wall street journal" this morning about where donald strump seeking to win from seeking hard-to-reach prizes. donald trump brought his campaign to wisconsin where he faces daunting fractured polls and it's one of the handful of states where mr. trump has taken his campaign recently despite signals he won't be competitive with democratic rival hillary clinton and the g.o.p. presidential nominee has and ed mrs. clinton by 15%

wooing the blue states, the ones with black outlined denotes the ones that donald trump is going after despite, look at the numbers. solid democrat. nnecticut and maine, minnesota, etc. by the way, next to that graphic is this picture of donald trump talking to milwaukee county sheriff david clarke who we are all talking about this morning after he wrote that piece in the hill newspaper, talking about the rioting in milwaukee and blaming liberal politics and the media. we want to show you "the washington post" this morning and robert costa has got the details of why donald trump made this decision to change his top staff. he says this that trump's decision developed over the weekend as he traveled to the hamptons at the home of woody

johnson the wealthy republican benefactor who owns the new york football jets. trump was confronted by several supporters about news reports on his advisors' desire to tame his personality kelly anne conway says trump was visibly infuriated at the news stories, the republicans said, and he confered with mercer about potential steps he might take to remake his campaign and pop late his inner circle with voices more like his own. ban non's and con way's names soon came up.

kellyanne conway has been on the "washington journal" many times. f you go to c-span journal.org you can see more of who she. and the daily radio show, they write in the "washington post" in part because ban nonthinks it represents a larger cause. that in "the washington post" and the "new york times" notes steve ban nonand roger -- have been close and when roger ails came under criticism and then was forced to leave fox news, one prominent in ails' it came up.

d one by mr. ban nonridiculing rupert murdoch's sons and we learned roger ails has become an informal advisor to donald trump's campaign. so a lot on that this morning. back to our conversation with all of you. tony in sarasota. another independent. good morning. it's your turn. caller: hi greta, good morning. cops are not say -- when they kill unarmed civilians. we are talking like in 2015 like 1252. we can go on and on and 200 and 20 shh 14, it's almost same numbers. so if we don't change policies,

nothing is going to change. i mean, i mean -- all i'm saying is want to say is like if donald trump wins, it's going to be, like, china. it's going to be like russia. i mean, i also -- at least we have a chance with clinton. with donald trump, we don't have no chance. host: any more tuscaloosa, alabama. what are your thought on this? caller: hello? host: good morning. you're on the air. caller: i would like to comment about david clarke. he is a black man. but he hates himself. he is very sick. and i think that he hates black people. but he hates himself, because he is black. nd as far as the killings that

have been going on, on black people by white police officers that are not held accountable, well, what you have in the police departments across the country today is you have a lot of white police officers that are good, but also you have to ow that in some police departments you have white sprem cysts that have taken off the white robe and put on the blue uniform, and i also would like to say to david clarke that he is black. he pulls off that blue uniform, he needs to look at himself. he is a black man. host: let me share this with you, tim, from "usa today." they awhat to do about the situation that integrating police departments long sold as

a man aas ia is central but insufficient in baltimore about 53% of the police are black and the city is led bay black mayor and says its zero tolerance policing cracking down on small offenses such as public drunkenness or trespassing in a bid to prevent violent crimes appears to do more harm than good. caller: also in baltimore, if you look at baltimore, you will find out that probably the governor and the supreme court are probably white sprem cysts. know here in alabama the supreme court -- host: do you have evidence of that? caller: i got evidence of this. the supreme court, there's nine supreme court justices in

alabama. everyone is of them belong to white sprem cyst groups. you can find that information on the internet. 40 ip ok. i think we hear your point, tim. let me share from david clarke a little bit more of what he had to say. the riots were a manifest station or a population with no hope. no stake in the american dream that could provide advancement and purpose and pride of self. they are the ones lied to, exploited by the ultimately manipulated by the democrats who -- they are victims of the left but they are not without blame. it's the i time for them to remember their own humanity and dignity and fight for that return to the american dream that the left would withhold from them. caller: i have a comment that was made by the last gentleman i believe from alabama.

host: yes from tumbing loosea. caller: he was commenting on how the black or the black community is being killed by white officers. the officer i believe in question in this last incident in milwaukee was black. host: the police officer? caller: yes. host: yes. the police officer was black. yes. caller: yes. well didn't anybody say that? did anybody comment on that? how does that work into it? it's an officer killing a citizen, and that's all. and that's the way they got to look at it. host: ok. cri criticalya in marcum, illinois. independent caller. caller: good morning greta, lovely as always. host: thank you. caller: i wanted to say that i totally disagree with that sheriff. if you really want to look at

fault, don't blame the media. blame parents who in this time of instant graph indication have forget on the teach their kids that they have to wait for things to come to them for times to change. everybody wants stuff right away now. because of the internet, aye phones, what not. and i was telling the lady who answered the phone. i looked at straight outta compton before you guys came on and nwa was rapping about this in 1988 and even near chicago we just had yet another incident where a black man civil smith was shot by this time a white officer, but you didn't see any riots or anything. you sawgrass protest marches. but no riots. nothing burning down. no looting. because chicago had a mayor

that finally had enough, reached out to the justice department and got an independent investigator, changed policy, instituted the body cam, making everything more transparent. so you can't say this guy shot him because he was black tore cops can't say he had a gun. like they are trying to say with this instance when they shot mr. smith in the back. and you don't see a weapon anywhere. host: well, the officer was wearing a body camera and that video is expected to be released to the public after the investigation but first in international news, iran cash held until the prisoner release. reporting on the story writing today new details of the $400 million u.s. payment to iran

depicted a tightly crypted exchange and the picture emerged from the accounts of u.s. officials and others briefed on the operation and u.s. officials wouldn't let iranians take control of the money until a swiss air force plane carrying three freed americans departed from teheran on january 17. once that happened, an iranian cargo plane was allowed to bring the cashman home from the geneva airport that day. president barack obama said that took place through two fferent channels but the ordeal raised questions from critics. then there's this also from the "wall street journal" this morning about russia. air hem using an iranian

force base to bomb opposition in syria and russia is rejecting the concerns and the u.s. is asking the u.n. security county critical about whether or not russia has violated resslution 2231 which forbids the sthrie supply, sale and transfer of arms to iran without the county critical's prior approval. they escalated the war of words that that violated which was the iran sanctions deal brokered by this administration and there's also other news in the papers this morning. the situation in syria. 's worsened after five years after five years president bama's syria hopes fall short. more than 450,000 seerns have died in the civil war and mr.

assad has increasingly relied on help from russia to help him in the fight. there's also in from the washington times in a move that could have after sthooks go across the middle east they say even as using that ssian bombers flew to -- moscow's actions deepened the civil war and angered the u.s. which said the move might violate the u.n. security county critical and also there's this from politico this morning. here's an image that's getting a lot of reaction on social media this morning, this is a child that sits in an ambulance wednesday after being pulled out of a building hit by an air strike in ahe willo and it says a u.n. investigative report could force frobe once again grapple with the tricky subject

of chemical weapons use and how poor to push russia at a time of escalating tensions so we will hear more from this next week and the bombs being used in syria, they are russia is being accused of using nay mom-like bombs and says syrian government aircraft hit the rebel-held damascus with insid area bombs in a bright that resembles fireworks heating to temperatures up to 10 times the boiling point of water. usually armed with they are might or phosphorus which can cause horrific burns like those inflicted by nay palm and weapons are increasingly being used on rebel-held areas especially in the contested city of ahe willo. so more to watch. more coming on this story let's

hear from a resident of milwaukee as we continue with all of you this morning about what happened there on saturday and sunday. what's to blame. jackie's in milwaukee. what do you think, jackie? >> hello. good morning. caller: i am just very upset with sheriff clarke. he gives one perspective of what the problem is. and i work with young people and their families trying to go to college. he ignores all the hard-working parents, married and single. he does not ever recognize what they are doing. it's like there's always just bad kids out there. milwaukee is so segregated. actually wisconsin is so segregated. you can't go outside of milwaukee and find integration once you leave out of this

area. all the jobs have left. and i'm not for the violence, the rioting at all. i believe parents should take care of their kids, but he is just putting one side, giving one side of the story. and jobs haven't been here for over 30 years. they are doing nothing to put them back in the neighborhood. our education system is a mess. it's just passing them through and i just totally agree with sheriff clarke. and his perception of things. host: we showed our vures viewers some statistics on education and jobs in milwaukee and also a map that brookings put together that those city of milwaukee. 81% segregated. sam in crockett, texas, a republican, sam, thanks for calling in, joining the conversation. what do you think?

caller: you know as long as you're getting free money from the government, you don't respect other people's property. when -- [inaudible] host: you know what, sam? horrible connection. so we got to move on. regina in richmond, virginia. independent. hi reginna. caller: good morning. i want to say about the clarke comments. he always says democrat-republican. but it's not a democrat or republican problem. it's a society problem. you have, i would say, system atic racism, then you're going to have a problem. when individuals are not afforded economic and educational opportunities and they are thrown into a pocket area of poverty, and the individuals start to feel

hopelessness, and when there's hopelessness and poverty, things occur. it's easy to blame the victims for reasons why situations occur in their own community but when you're not providing those individuals the opportunities so they can have a better life then whose fault? ? that's societyal problem not a democrat or republican problem and individuals -- back in the 1900's, their communities suffered the same type of plight the blacks are facing today but the difference with them is the economic opportunities they were afforded as far as jobs, education, housing. they forget that they are -- that they were at one time were in the same situation. the irish, italian, jews, but they were afforded economic opportunities. so stop blaming always want to blame the victim and saying we as blacks don't have family values and morals.

because we do have family values and morals. we have bad people in all races but stop always only looking at the bad in our community and saying it's always our fault. that's all the i have to say. thank you. host: regina in richmond, virginia. front page of the "wall street journal." the federal reserve's minutes from the last meeting show a split in the board but a raise in interest rates is possible next month. "new york times" front page story about health insurance. the u.s. is preparing an enrollment push as ensurers balk on the health care law facing high withdrawals and surging premyums, the obama administration is begining a major push to enroll new participants and featuring test an yals from newly-eninsured

and also in "usa today" a story out of rio. ryan lot key, far left is back in the united states as doubts have arisen over the story of his and a teammate's story. they were removed from a return flight wednesday by authorities d another was supposed to be on the same flight and his where abouts are unknown as the say rities from brazil their stories did not add up and they took their passports. go ahead. caller: just want to say that the last caller that you had the woman who spoke about how the irish and italians also had difficulties when they first

came to the united states as depicted in the gangs of new york movie is exactly correct. the police allegation demonized both of those nationalities when they first came to the united states. but they were lucky because they were both of white skin so they were able to blend in and they were forgiven based on their skin color, and i've been listening to sheriff clarke for a while now and i've come to a conclusion that he is nothing more than a cop poll gist who couldn't tell truth if his life depend do so on it. from the moment i heard him at the congressal hearing saying eric gardner died of a heart attack when clearly the medical examiner said he died of affixya due being choked, i knew right there he was a cop poll gist and liked to bend the truth much like most cop poll gists do. the police can do no wrong as

far as they are concerned. host: as a republican what do you think about him speaking at the republican national convention? caller: i didn't agree with anything he said. first of all, because i knew he was a selection. he was a selection brought there by donald trump, and donald trump reminds me more -- a lot of one of the heads of the old no-nothing party. also depicted in the gangs of new york movie who was only in favor of americans and the no-nothing party was a native of this party and did not like foreigners coming into the united states and so they demonized them and donald trump reminds me of bill cutting. so being a republican, i feel my party has moved away from me, so i've become an independent only because of that. otherwise i would still be a republican, but donald trump kind of took it all away from

me, and i didn't like the fact that any of the things that the sheriff there said, because i believe he is an poll gist. host: ok, so who are you going to vote for in november? caller: i'm either going to stay home or pick a third-party candidate, because i believe what ralph nater always says, you have to give the third party enough votes in order for them to have enough support for next cycle so that they can actually get into the debates. host: and frank, are you a lifelong republican? caller: i have been a -- host: ok i want to share with you and others a piece written in today's "washington post" by another lifelong republican. dan ackerson. i've always voted republican until now. he is the chairman and chief executive or wuss the chairman and chief executive of general motors and was a spernl advisor

to the board of directors of the carlye group and says this, we were raised in a good catholic home and believed in god and country and my wife of 44 years and i have sought to pass these values to our kids and grandkids and have always voted republican, not this year. the compelling rationale a good leader must demonstrate such good qualities as -- >> hillary clinton has these erblet qualities. donald trump does not and goes on to write many of my fellow chief executives will question my decision to speak out. my choice is groundened in and i hope one day my grandchildren will be proud i supposed chose to speak out about what is right for our country and ultimately our greatest duty to our country is to put our future and our children's future above partisan politics.

gregory, sounds like you're a republican in mill snil caller: we have been in wisconsin for many, many, many years. what's happening in milwaukee and many inner cities. it's a bit like a brush fire in california. it's a perfect storm where you have had too many years of socialists -- policies, and i do have a mixed-race family. my brother-in-law, sister-in-law. and i can tell you two-parent households will succeed. the problem with the african-american inner city sincere very obvious single-parent households living in impoverished cities and frank who called last caller obviously not a republican and we need to have black americans -- host: gregory, you belief that's problem that there are no other factors? caller: i didn't say that. i said that's the main factor.

i also said too many years of socialist policies taking away incentives from people. president obama's biggest failure has not been to tell people to stay in school. to tell people not to have children until they are married. he is the biggest failure in terms of bag leader for the african-american community. thanks, greta. host: ok lawrence in st. paul, minnesota, independent. caller: one comment related to family and the other to policies. terms of family, piggybacking was your previous caller just stated. if you ask inner city teachers and counselors and police what's the biggest contributor jufe nile delinquency and early pregnancy is single-parent homes. as far as policies, i think this whole philosophy of vote

for me and i'll take care of you is contrary to the principles of freedom, several reliance and human achievement and far too many politicians are out there saying, vote for me and i'll take care of you and people buy off on it. i just think start with the family. build from the family and stop relying on other people take care of your personal responsibility and accountability. thank you. host: all right. we have toe leave the conversation there. coming up you will meet bob inglis a former republican congressman and says more menus of the g.o.p. should believe in that too and heather mcghee the president of demos action will be here late tore discuss issues that are important to progressives in campaign 2016. >> book tv on c-span 2. 48 hours of non-fiction books &

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we apparently think we are no goods at climate change but we have the answer. free enterprise. host: let's back up. how did you come to this position? have you always believed there as climate change? i st: in our first six years thought climate change was hooy and all i knew was al gore was for it so i was against it. i was running again for congress in 2004 and my son said dad, i'll vote for you, he was voting for the first time and he said but you're going to clean up our act on the environment. this was the first of three and second set he went into the science committee. and third step really something of a spiritual awakening. on another science trip aussie and after we ists

had a chance to talk he told me about conservation changes he made in his life in order love god and love people and i said i want to be like himso i introduce to do so cut wages and raise carbon act of 2009. probably not the greatest decision in the middle of the -- so i got booted out of congress in 2010 and started republic en.org. host: and by someone our viewers recognize tray gowdy who heads up the benghazi committee. you lost to him in the primary. do you think you lost because of this you? guest: in the midst of the great recession it was important to have orthodoxy. when a tribe the under pressure it insists on orthodoxy and i

voted for tarp which can never be forgiven by the tea party. i was for conference immigration reform even though we didn't call it that, and i voted against the troop surge in iraq, because i had conservative concerns about george bush who is my friend but just saying the climate change is real even though i voted against cap and trade i thought that was poor solution for climate change and proposed an alterrauntive which we believe is an -- host: you call it climate en. what are you proposing to do? guest: essential to put all the cost in all the fuels and eliminate all the subsidies so there's a transparent marketplace. probably the best means to do that is an upstream of a

revolutionary carbon tax. pay attention to those last two words, is that right carbon tax. that's word, is that right but those first two. revenue neutral. that means we cut taxes somewhere else in equal amounts so athletes no growth in government and then flied imports taxed in the same way our goods are tax do so and you put it together where it's adjustable al and the phil donahue show in the 1970's, how do you deal with pollution dr. friedman? and he said you tax it of course. intern lies in external commonalities, you put the cost on the product 10th market price will judge the product. people could make money without

subsidies and fickle tax cuts. they could make money on solar wind and there are other ways to make electricity. host: how would thy be able to compete with the big guys who have been at this for decades? guest: we want to eliminate all the subsidies they currently enjoy but if you eliminate biggest subsidy at all if i make cold fire electricity the biggest subsidy i get is being able to dump into the trash dump of the sky without accountability. it works great-for-me and it's pretty good for my customers except the ones that live close to my plant because they get stuff from my plant in their lunges. some cough it up but some don't and go to the hospital and then we pay in the health effects.

if you make me accountable and say no, inglis, be bib lickly accountable. you can't dump on somebody else's lunges or on their property. then it changes everything. to local congress they say my energy rates will then go up and i say of course they will but we are paying at the hospital or at the meter. wind and solar might be able to compete with me without any subsidies or expiring tax incentives in which they had a near-death experience having to come to the capital. host: who is onboard with what you're doing? guest: well, we are building right now. we have mostly millennial conservatives. their parents and grandparents are a little bit harder sell

for us but young conservatives get this. they want their party, their movement to be relevant to their future, and so they say, thank goodness, somebody's finally talking a conservative sthrution climate change and thank goodness we don't have just a clean power plant to look at and rethink couldn't think of a worst way to deal with climate change, sector by sector, prone to litigation. we've got to deal with better. better is an economy-wide, worldwide simple pricing. only rule of government is to say all cost in. all subsidies out and be the accountable cop on the beat. host: before we get to calls, are you changing any minds up on critical with your former colleagues? >> yes. what we see is some movement there of course not many are are the to come out on this, if

you will, because it is still a little bit dangerous because a dominant tune on the radio is no, we don't believe in climate change. because we don't want to believe in climate change. but meanwhile, we are all experiencing climate change, and we thought it was going to be a long way away. but just look at the headlines in the paper today. it's baton rouge. it's a lot of water in the atmosphere that came down in a flood. it's the wildfires. t's zika in miami. we are experiencing climate change right now, and of course the people that come after us are going to experience even greater effects. so once that becomes more toical, then i think we will see more members of congress saying you know, we do have to enter the competition of ideas. something overtake

athing when it decides it has need, and it may just take a regulatory, really poor solution. we conservatives need to be there with a better alternative. host: let's see what our callers think. kelly from georgia, you are on the air. don't believe for one second that republicans do not want clean air and clean water, that i think we have a problem with the hypocrisy. if you will not cut me off, hypocrisy of people, the al leonardos, when they preach to the little man, when they fly around in their r 300,000 live in thei square-foot homes, and their yachts and everything -- i wonder what that carbon footprint is doing.

then they say that we have got to build bridges and y'all don't need guns, yet they are protected by big guns. wonder what that big thing is around the white house? is that a gate or is that a bridge? and last, is it true that loretta lynch and a lot of her division have been trying to put people in jail for denying climate change? that is a lot of hypocrisy there. of course republicans want clean air and clean water. and what about the colorado river when the epa messed that up? host: let's get a reaction from the former congressman. yeah, hypocrisy is causing a lot of trouble here, holding us back. it, right?just price if some wants to have a great big house and fly around on a corporate jet, ok, as long as they are willing to pay for the

emissions. all right. friedman told us, as i said earlier, just put the price in and make it so that they're fully accountable, and then they will decide and maybe they will stop taking the big car. they might get in an uber pool rather than taken the big car. to people have the freedom decide. yet, the hypocrisy of people that preach and then do other things is a problem. pennsylvania, independent. caller: i want to ask the gentleman here, the lady before mentioned the colorado river, and i notice a big discrepancy between all the coverage that the media gave flint, michigan, and that terrible tragedy up there, and now the navajo indians out in colorado and that area have been severely impacted by an epa event that i do not

think anybody in the epa has been held accountable. i agree with climate change. however, the whole people accountable is also essential, besides taxing everything. how can the epa discharge 300 million gallons of lead and arsenic and everything else like that into the colorado river and nobody is held accountable? in flint, michigan, six or seven people are on their way to crossbar hotel, and out there in the west where the navajo indians are impacted, the clinton -- clinton -- the obama epa, ok, was completely at fault there, and these are supposed to be the smart people. host: let me show a headline from the new york times that refers to what you are talking about, navajo nation sues epa

and poisoning of a colorado river. guest: they are bringing legal action for accountability. , really,nto something we do want to that kind of accountability. one of the best ways to get all of us accountable is just to make it so the market is transparent on the costs we are causing. we are all in this together. was sayingelly earlier, this hypocrisy of thinking i am righteous and you are not, that is really a turnoff. we have to realize that we are all in this together. i rode here in a taxi that was emitting co2. , ande all in this together nobody is more righteous than and videos. it is just that we're looking for solutions. the way to solve it is the conservative way to solve it, just make us all accountable, put the costs in, make it so the

marketplace is transparent. i start choosing better fuels, and i do so because now all the costs are in and i can see them. host: let me follow up on the first caller who mentioned loretta lynch and climate change deniers. about aa story conservative media site, which reported that the attorney general had to start taking legal action against climate change deniers, focusing on testimony by loretta lynch, but it appears to exaggerate the extent to which the department of justice has gone after climate change skeptics. according to lynch's office, the action asking the fbi to investigate, it involves exxon mobil. it receivedman said a request in 2015 from two numbers of congress to

investigate exxon mobil over claims the oil company misrepresented its own research on global warming. can see how so i that would be blown up into, oh, loretta lynch is going after people for speaking out against a scientific position on climate change. so it sounds like you have got it straight there, it is overstated. but there is this question about whether some people who have an interest in this were actually hiding with a new about climate change and the science of climate change. the good news for us at republicen.org, and you just mentioned exxon mobil, is they are for what we are for. ofre focused on with the ceo exxon mobil says they are for, which is a revenue neutral carbon tax.

no growth to government. apply itjustable and to imports, so they are taxed in the same way. then fix climate change through innovation. host: are you teaming up with exxon mobil? guest: we would like to from your lips to their ears. it is rather strange. we would love to be associated with them. most people working on climate change would say, oh, no, they are not righteous and we cannot deal with them to we say, no, they are great. ,hey delivered natural gas bringing done omissions or do we do have an issue with huge commissions, of course. natural grass is a great way to reduce co2. fracking was a great think it we pretty unusual in the climate space. host: who is funding your organization? guest: some folks that believe in free enterprise. robertsone, julian

has been very helpful to us. i mention him because here is a guy who is a champion of free enterprise and understands the power of free enterprise. he has clearly done quite well with free enterprise. creativity kind of -- we have seen what free enterprise can do, and that is what we hope to spawn across the whole world even. we are grateful for those champions of free enterprise who see it and are willing to help us. host: robin in maryland, go ahead. ander: good morning, greta, good morning to the former u.s. representative from south carolina, congressman english. well done. guest: thank you, sir. caller: i hope all america is listening, democrats, independents, and republicans. this is why we're conservative. i love your ideas and think you are going in the right direction.

why can't we do it like germany? i was there many years ago and bavaria, and there was not a speck of trash and the entire country. you know what i mean. i would like to hear your comments. thank you. guest: that is true. i have done just a little bit of travel in germany, and it is a very clean place. they came to south carolina to the district they used to represent to makes a very fine cars. $6 billion on the ground in spartanburg, south carolina. are very grateful to have them. one thing i would tell you that we do differently than germany on climate is that there really acting in some funny ways. they have this way of paying people to produce solar on their roofs, which is a great idea, so we are all for solar.

the problem is that they are paying through the nose for it, and they have created this in our miss subsidy. meanwhile, they are turning off new gear -- nuclear plants because of an overreaction to fukushima. they are cranking up there late night coal plant, which is a bad move when trying to solve climate change. on solar, they have created a mass-market. the chinese enter that market and drive down prices. maybe we can run fair competition. down in solar because of what germany did, so bless them for going first. i think we can listen to some very good economists here in the u.s. about better ways to do it and better ways to eliminate all the subsidies. germany did in making it enormously expensive. rather, eliminate the subsidies, eliminate the biggest subsidy of them all. that you let me

dump it to the crash and dump into the sky without paying a tipping fee. that is what needs to change. host: ronald, philadelphia, independent caller. are you there? all right, let me move on to homer and shreveport, louisiana, democrat. caller: thank you. i am a lawyer liz -- loyal listener. i am glad to see people putting the environment above politics. we have got too many, you know, too many people want to put politics in it, and the good lord is still on the throne. thank you, and may god bless him. host: ok, let's hear from mike in washington, d.c., independent. caller: before i talk, i would like to make a request. i wish c-span would do a story

on agenda 21 or agenda 30 from the u.n. this whole global warming hoax that this gentleman here is peddling is about taxes. he is trying to peddle it in a softer way. viewers should be aware that in phonyd, al gore's documentary was sued. it was because of lies in the mockumentary about so-called global warning -- warming. host: let's get your reaction it you must hear this about agenda 21 when you are talking to republicans about this. guest: yeah, there is a lot of distressed. a lot of people distrust science. if you think about it, if you are alleging this great big

conspiracy, it is really hard to pull off. usually with a conspiracy, there are just a couple people in th e know. many people get to talking, and loose lips sink ships. would be really hard for this to be an enormous conspiracy. if so, it would be the most orchestrated conspiracy ever. think about this -- if you are a scientist, the way you make a name for yourself in the way you advance science is by challenging some underlying assumption. that is how you really make it in science. so there is every reason for all the scientists to try to challenge the assumption, but they are not. with their finding is that our data supports this data that somebody else has found, and there is quite a bit of censuses

that we have got a problem. why is it that we want to go searching for the explanation that is not real? probably because we do not want to change, right? change seems scary. but in this case, change is really exciting. this is an opportunity to light of the world with more energy, more freedom. it is not about shivering in the dark, depending on the season. it is about more energy, more mobility, more freedom. distributed energy systems that can light up dark villages in the world. it is exciting. this is not all threatening. host: our guest is the former conversation, bob inglis, from south carolina, represented the district from 2004 22010. then he was booted from congress and the primary against trey gowdy, the congressman now representing that south carolina hisrict, hardly because of

views on climate change, he says, which he changed from being a denier to now believing it. he started this group, republicen.org. he is here to talk about this. j sanders on twitter has a question for you. what specifically do you propose moneywith the tax to achieve revenue neutrality? guest: great question. i could go for corporate income tax cut, an individual income tax cut, payroll tax cut, or a dividend to put the money back to the american citizens. the key is it just be revenue control, that there cannot be growth of government. some people proposed a tax it would grow government. we are not for that. there is a revolution recently on the kaus -- house for that says we are not for carbon taxes. i might have voted for that, too, but that revolution is not what we're talking about. that is not the concept we're

talking about. apparently, and that resolution, talking about a revenue positive carbon tax. all those resolution would be true, but if you make it revenue neutral by cutting taxes somewhere else or by dividending the money back and applying it to imports, wow, it is a very direct animal then. penned thiscently piece for usa today -- gop needs to thaw on warming. that is in usa today. scientific american had this headline -- republican platform climate agreement, renewable energy cut, price on carbon opposed. approved platform was by the republican party last month with this language in it. guest: yeah, we do. grumpy old party,

hopefully what we can do is reinvented as the grand opportunity party, the one that says beer relevant to the future and we are not trying to hold onto mystical days and never existed. rather, we have ideas and a ready to enter the competition of ideas. america will take something from nothing when there is a need. asour great opportunity conservatives is to step forward with a solution now, stop the science denial. the reason we do that is we think we're no good on energy and climate, but we're really very good. and the good news is there are some progressives that agree with a spear the result is we can bring america together and solve this. the whole world is waiting on america to solve it. host: lucille in florida, republican. caller: good morning mr. inglis,

originally called to ask you something about solar flares, but i need to ask something else first. listening to you about the ,arbon tax, under the gore plan apparently one company did not use all the carbon allotment, and the tax credits could be sold to another company. so the same amount of carbon would go into the air. i need to know what you're talking about, if it is that or if you are going to use less carbon? in addition to that, there is a scientisthat is a saying that the solar flares, which have been exceptionally strong recently, is the predominant cause of the global warming. have you checked into that end of it? that is my question, and i will

get off-line to listen to you. thank you for taking my call. host: all right. guest: thanks, lucille. on the solar flares, i suggest you go to a site called skeptical science, and you will see a discussion about solar flares there. talk about solar flares, especially on my side of the aisle, because they want to find that as the explanation. but what you will see at skeptical science is that it does not correlate with the warming that we are seeing now. in fact, flair activity would cause the earth to be cooling now, rather than warming. so it does not correlate. more of that and go really deep if you want to add skeptical science. it is a neat site. about your carbon credit question, yeah, what you are describing is the complex cap and trade system. i voted against cap and trade when i was in congress.

free embarrassing in the allocations to the well-connected. it would decimate american any fracturing. cap and trade is a bad idea. but we are proposing an alternative that is quite different. it is a very simple way of , inglishere is the farm industries making call file -- coal fire energy, i am making harm. if you just put those costs on me at inglis industries, make me thisntable, then through upstream application, meaning ,ou tax people at the pipeline very few people, about 2000 taxpayers, simple job for the irs. and make it so that imports have to pay and make it so you cut taxes somewhere else. then everything changes. the economics change.

and i at inglis industries start losing out to some other kinds of fuels or electricity. isn't that the way the free enterprise system works? it is all about accountability. ours is a much simpler approach than the cap and trade thing that got pretty complex. host: i want to be absolutely clear the former congressman does not own a company called inglis industries. guest: no, i do not. i wish i did maybe. host: here is a treat for you -- don't and won't work. they are 300 percent more expensive. absent subsidies from taxpayers, they would never exist. guest: well, let's see. if that is right, let's test it. if they cannot make enough subsidies, it should not be made. but i have had a lot of discussions with the wind and

solar folks, and they say, yeah, inglis, if you could truly eliminate all the subsidies, including the biggest one which is the implicit subsidy, me being able to dump into the trash dump in the sky for free, eliminate that, we are competitive in wind and solar. that is exciting, because then you have a level playing field and a competition that means that freak enterprise,'s -- free enterprise, not some well-meaning but bumbling government regulator, is making it happen. it is free enterprise. host: all right, let's go to a call from michigan, democrat. , bob andood morning you are a republican and i am a democrat, but i have to say kudos to you, because you're the first republican i have ever heard that admitted climate change is real weird that said, i want to go back to the beginning of your program when

you talked about exxon mobil. of november, they admitted that back in that in 72, exxon mobil, their internal scientists admitted that in the future, climate will be a problem. that is when the republican party got on board. this is a huge issue because it index everyone, not just democrats or republicans or even people in america. the republican party are a bunch of deniers, and i do not see how anybody could ever pull the lever for anybody that would believe in such nonsense. all you have to do is look at the satellites showing the north and south pole, greenland, any of the glaciers, they are all melting at an accelerated rate. some of the problems are being magnified by dirt they gets on the ice or the snow that draws

in more heat. they talk about wind generation not being affected, well, in iowa, they get 40% of their energy from wind. if you use 100 gallons of oil a day, you're using 60. 100 train cars of coal, you're using 60. it is absurd. let's not forget how much money the oil industry has been given to try and find oil, how much they are subsidized i our government. bob, thank you. again, you are the only republican i have ever heard that agrees that climate change is real. thank you, sir. good day. guest: the good news is that there are other republicans. it is growing. people are realizing, hey, we have got to be relevant to the future and come up with solutions. let's enter the competition of ideas. i do not know about their past and everything, but i do know

about the present it presently, they are spending money to lobby api, american petroleum institute, and other entities to do what we're talking about doing. we would love for them to endorse us, because we take a different view than you do of their merits. we do not demonize exxon mobil and my dad, 93-year-old in bluffton, south carolina, is a teeny-weeny shareholder of exxon mobil. the more, the better, as far as i am concerned. you know what, it is wealthy companies like exxon mobil, and the wealthiest country on earth, the united states, is the only one that can solve this. the solution is not going to come from poor places. it will come from wealth and the creativity we have got here.

that is where it is going to come from. so we're going to unleash the power of that. that is where republicen.org is different, i suppose, then the environmental left. the environmental left makes you no, the guilty, but we say, more energy, more mobility, more freedom, and let's fill great effect exxon mobil is making money. let them make a lot of money, and then they will innovate. twitter says this -- how about no federal disaster relief for states that deny climate change? that will wake them up quickly. guest: interesting to her the best way to get a big government is to do nothing about climate change, right? this point was made in a from called "merchants of doubt" and in a book or that title. if you want to get a big government, just do nothing about climate change.

right now in louisiana, we have got a big government response underway. we have got federal money flowing to louisiana. so if you want to keep on denying climate change, you will get big government. if you want to step in now and try to head off these problems, you can get a smaller government. host: solution to climate change is to adjust -- a tweet. joe, independent it what do you say? caller: [indiscernible] i think the argument is the wrong argument. immaterialng, it is whether there is global warming or not. what is material is the fact that those industries that have those products with emissions beyond what is considered acceptable, they did it under the sponsorship of the law.

so the government is participatory on that condition we are in today. notou tax, you are correcting anything because in missions are still going on and damaging the earth if you believe in global warming. on the other hand, if the government were to set reasonable expectations of reducing emissions in this if they do not do it in the time required, they should be shut down. host: let's get a response. guest: you well-illustrated the question at hand. you can solve this by a regulatory approach come a which you just indicated is a respectable way to deal with climate change. set the limit here and regulate down from that, and we're going to put requirements on this

planet and that plant. that is one way to do it. the other way to do it is what milton friedman would say to do, sort of the author of conservatism, you tax it. that is what you do or do you put the price in on it. so then the marketplace can see the true cost you are right, exactly right, the government has been complicit in this, and the government is us. we the people have decided to put a zero price on carbon dioxide. we are in a global economy, so if you get a carbon tax, what would be the direction from opec? guest: very important to make it border adjustable. neutralave me a revenue but not border adjustable, i do not think i could vote for it if i were still in congress because i represent a wonderful manufacturing district. a bmw plant is there, for

example. but if you make it border adjustable, it becomes in the trading partner's interest to do the same thing, to join us in that same pricing of carbon dioxide. say someone is going through the port of philadelphia, they would be paying a park -- a carbon tax on entry. how long does it take to figure out, let's see, if we collected this in china, the money would have been sent to beijing. so they would apply the same carbon tax in china, and then the whole world would follow. it is putting energy at its truer price, basically saying we see the costs and are putting them on the meter now, and then what happens is we are no longer complicit in this sort of game. you know, when you play hide and seek with your four-year-old nephew or niece, they say, you cannot see me i'm a i am hiding

-- that is where we are on climate costs. they assume we are not there. they want to make believe they are zero. they are not. if we act in a reasonable way, we can get the whole world to see what we see. host: so many fractures would get a tax year for producing pollution for whatever they make, and then they would also get taxed when they should their goods to another country? guest: it would actually be removed on export from here. imports areposed on removed on exports. but paying would be simple. joe pointed out that there is this regulatory approach, meaning a government regulator goes up to visit this planned, that plant, and that plant, and then they litigate about the regulation. that is very cumbersome, big government. the better way to do it is to say, all right, listen, the

price of energy just went to its true cost as we attached those costs of the pipeline and at the mine. now every industry without any government regulator rolling out there in a government sedan sees the electricity bill, and they adjust, and we all adjust. i think by telling us what to do, we do it. host: smitty in arizona, republican. caller: good morning, c-span. first, i would like to say that trey gowdy replacing the gentleman on there right now was probably a pretty good idea. this nonsense of man-made global warming is what people deny. they do not deny that the earth is getting warmer. it has been getting warmer since it was created, and the warmer it gets, the more food we can grow and everything else.

the problem with these climate change people is that, one, they want to put people in jail if you do not believe their ideas hear it but they are working with our computer models, and their computer models have shown themselves to be wrong like 99% of the time. they are trying to claim they know with the climate is going to be like 50 years from now, but they cannot tell you what the climate is going to be like two weeks from now. this is a bunch of crap. host: let's take your point. guest: yeah, smitty, a little bit of an overstatement, don't you think? that is the best thing about not being in congress, you can say right back to people, does that make sense what you said, that 99% of the time the models are wrong? if that were true, how would anybody maintain scientific credentials or integrity? just think about that review said 99% of the time, the models are wrong. it just cannot be true what you said.

so for anybody listening that thinks, you know, smitty, that beeneen the talk we have using for while, but meanwhile, we are all experiencing climate change. experience is a very effective, but often a very harsh teacher. we are experiencing it right now. the world is looking for a solution, waiting for america to lead the road i agree, a lot of people in my party are too tired to lead. they have given up. us,the rest of us, some of ,e are ready to lead, come on let's enter the competition of ideas. the left has said let's regulate it down with government regulators and government sedans going out to all these plants. we say, no, a small band of conservatives, but a growing band, says we have a much better way to deal with it. and we listen to people like one of the fathers of conservatism,

milton freedom, so let's fix this through the power of economics. ,ost: pikesville, maryland independent. caller: i appreciate the ex- congressman and his ideas. the problem with america, right or left, is one wants to demonize the other. the idea that china has, and if we do not adopt this idea of private part ships and government having the most money, taking the most risks, the private can link into the economy. ago, i heard the president of china said he wants 60,000 miles of highways, trains, and other transportation sources, and the government will subsidize this. they will create the playing field, and then the private guys can do it. do you know now that they have magnetic trains and new buses that run? very interesting bus system. they have many highways that the

government said, let's have it. so i think we need to listen to some of the other programs, like the coast-to-coast. and said at the university of san diego years ago, the students could create a car that would get 100 miles per gallon. and the other day i heard that a magneticas source. there is another way of developing solar panels. there is a solar cell that is not silicon-based that is almost 90% effective in capturing the sun and converting it into electricity. why not merge the public and criticizing and doom and i think each other? if you don't, china's going to wipe us -- host: let's get to your point.

guest: you are right that we do not need to demonize each other. i think some systems are better than others. our system is better than the chinese system if we let it work. if we fix the economics here, it will work better and faster than the chinese system. we have already had a contest with communism, and we beat them. we beat them to the moon. beat them when they finally took down the wall. they think they can have some government folks direct the economy, that is sort of saying, well, good luck with that, do not work with the soviets. it might have worked for while, but it did not last long term. we beat them. if we let thet power of capitalism really worked, but it is not working

right now. with inglis industries, i am getting away with an awful lot of dumping into the trash dump into the sky without making me accountable. make me capital, and all sorts of blessings will follow. host: martin from louisville, kentucky, democrat. caller: i just and not think you can get most of the american people to be in favor of any government action to, climate change. being forced to see something, they do not see the evidence. but if you can show the american people -- i have called in on this comment before. if the government built in interstate railway system to transport trade from convert-state and then trucks to natural gas instead of diesel fuel, then we could seriously cut back on the amount of oil used in the united states. triedshocked -- i tried

driving a couple years ago and could not believe it cost a couple thousand dollars to transport a load of freight from coast-to-coast, and it takes a couple days. it can be done in a matter of hours on a railway system. the railroad could be used to pay back the cost of the government for using the railroad. sounds like everybody in america would be better off. guest: good stuff, martin. really doeshat rail reduce emissions compared to trucks. trucks are valuable for short and quick deliveries, but you are onto something there. the way we would like to do it is not by having the government stepped in and tell the trekkers to do this or that until the railroads to do this or that, but just level the playing field, make it so all the costs are in on diesel and on natural gas. nat gas has a lot less powerons than coal for

generation, and it has advantages when it comes to transportation fuel. the better thing to do rather than having some of the in government say that we have a great idea here, just like we said earlier about china and the soviets, they thought they could centrally plan that. well, that is not what gave us the cost crashes with cell phones feared cell phones were once very expensive. now a lot of us can afford them. it is because private competition meant they were after customers. let's do that in energy, make it so that you level the playing field. ishink what you mentioned what would happen, a lot more rail and natural gas being used. it would be exciting. the air would be cleaned up, and we would be making a lot of money. you: mr. inglis, i thank for the conversation this morning and talking to our viewers about this issue. if they want to learn more, they can go to republicen.org. that is republicen.org.

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chance, not a way of life. >> monday night and 9:00 eastern on c-span. -- monday night at nine a clock eastern on c-span. "washington journal" continues. host: at our table this morning, the president of the most action, heather mcghee. thank you for being here. explain what demos is. public'smos is a organization that was funded in 2000. the name is the greek word for the people, the root word of democracy. our mission is to work for america where we all have an equal say in our democracy and an equal chance in our economy. sisterction is our organization that allows us to fight about candidates' position on issues. host: how are each funded? os is about a $10 million organization that is

mainly funded through foundations, as well as small and large individual donors. demos action is funded through a similar sort of mix. host: any big-name wealthy donors our viewers would recognize questioner -- recognize? guest: the kellogg foundation, ford foundation, open society foundation. none of our major donors, individual people, are sort of big known. majority of our funding comes from those foundations. host: what are you promoting? what issues are important to this progressive demos grip? guest: it is an exciting moment right now and our country. demos was founded to address issues of inequality in our democracy and economy. we mean the fact that it is hard for a regular working family to be heard, and the issues that

keep them up at night are not the issues that are front and center across the country, and the fact that it is really hard for a regular working family to get ahead financially. we think those things are interrelated. we think the public policy plays a role in making sure there is a fair shot for everyone and that there is an equal voice for everyone. we are really trying to drive a when,ory at this moment frankly, a lot of people on the left and right are saying, i'm not sure about the solutions and stories. we are a new generation. demos is sort of a younger public policy generation and we're looking for new solutions. when we use the word progressive, i think today that means things like get free public college for all, which is an old idea. things like expanding social security to make sure that it is making up for the fact that,

unlike my grandparents, my generation is not going to have a defined benefit pension on the job. in manylutions that are ways responding to the economic america, people in saying we need to rebuild the ladders of opportunity, and saying we probably will not be up to do that until we clean up washington and address the issue of money and politics. and we have to make sure everybody can vote, no matter their class, age, that ground, their work schedules. how: demos action fund, much money have you raised, and how are you spending that? are you supporting hillary clinton? guest: we have not endorsed any candidate here it we do not think it is necessary. we do not have a lot of ground troops. i do not know that they need our endorsement. but it is clear that the research ideas we promote, the public policy solutions we have been reloading, particularly in

this election cycle, money and politics, we want to see solutions from candidates. for example, small dollar matched public financing, which we know works at the local and state level and could work at the federal level. the only one that has adopted that is hillary clinton. returning to debt free public college, we would love to see republicans taking up that idea because it is a very commonsense idea. virtually everyone in congress went to college at a time when it was debt-free. people could work about 10 hours a week or a summer job. it is because the public pay for it, and we saw it as a public good. host: we want to get your action to donald trump on tuesday reaching out to black voters and telling them that the democratic party has not been good for them. [video clip] the bigotrye reject of hillary clinton which panders to communities of color and sees them only as votes. that is all they care about, not

as individual human beings worthy of a better future. they have taken advantage. [cheers and applause] at trump: she does not care all about the hurting people of this country or the suffering she has caused them, and she, meaning she and her party officials. there has been tremendous suffering a cousin of what they have brought. -- suffering because of what they have brought the african-american community has been taken for granted for decades by the democratic party, and look how they are doing. it is time to break with the failures of the past. i want to offer americans a new and much better future. it is time for rule by the people, not rule for the special interests, which we have right now. host: heather mcghee? guest: donald trump is a fantastic marketer, and

everything that he just said, your head has to nod, right? is it true that politicians have taken many lots of voters for granted? is it true that african-american families are struggling because of decisions made in washington? is it true that neither party has done what it takes to create the american dream at home for the folks whose ancestors, in build this helped american dream under a system of slavery? absolutely right. that said, there weren't any ideas about what would make a difference. so at demos, we do a lot of research into the issues that really affect what we call the sort of new american demos, working-class folks, women-headed households, people of color. and one of the major issues is the racial wealth gap, something

that is not often talked about, but it is a massive issue in terms of family economic security. so because of, historically, very discriminatory policies around who could get mortgages, around what neighborhoods the government would insure mortgages in, around racial segregation and discrimination in housing him and up until the 1980's and 1990's, the curry favoresire to with wall street and big banks have changed the rules to make it so that brokers and lenders could cut families who would otherwise qualify for good affordable homes. african-american and latino families were steered multiple times over compared to white families and to those subprime loans.

what you saw was that during the recession, you know, all families were suffering. in particular, african-american and latino families lost about half of their wealth, half of their wealth. that made a both easier to get loans but more expensive and dangerous to get those kinds of loans just at the time whenever you in american families were finally being able to own their piece of the american dream was a bipartisan decision. the question is right now, now that it is clear what the costs have been. which party is more focused on making of for that kind of loss? clearly, it is the democratic party right now. i would love to see republicans saying, you know what, we are going to have a home ownership target of 60% for african-american families. right now, it is about 20 percentage points below that. because they do not have that little leg up, lots of families

can just say, oh, my grandparents will give me a $10,000 investment to help me with a down payment. when you're down -- when your grandparents are living in segregated south, they did not have that. host: tommy in tennessee, independent. just, as a person who is libertarian, i am very impressed with your progressive viewpoints and theories. is mr.stion i have is, obama as progressive as he so, why isn'tif there a black woman on the supreme court? thank you, and have a blessed day. guest: are you trying to give me a job? just kidding. thank you for your question, and thank you for being engaged in this issue. at this point in our politics, sometimes i think the easiest thing to do is actually withdraw and throw up your hands and say

that the whole thing is broken. so i really appreciate all of you being engaged. i think that racial conversations during the obama presidency and in our media far moreave been caustic that any of us would have wanted and any of us 2008ved in in a moment in when many of us believe we were coming together as a nation. should there be an african-american in the court, as there has never been? even the diversity of our country, i think our highest bench should represent that. do i think his choice of merrick garland, who is still sitting without a single hearing from the divided senate that wants to hold his nomination and not do their job, do i think that would have been easier than with an

african-american woman? i don't think so. i think he was listening to where the politics are in this country, which is unfortunate. host: our guest heather mcghee has a law degree from california. in 2008, she served as john edwards deputy policy director. in 2009, she cochaired a task for with americans for financial reform that helped shape provisions of the frank -- of dodd-frank. marcia, you are next. caller: ms. mcghee, you are a breath of fresh air. mother living in chicago with four grandchildren who were all college graduates. they are all living at home because they cannot find well-paying jobs. .t is so discouraging

i am really disappointed with the democratic party. we all are. thathere are many of us are not flocking to hillary clinton. it is not going to happen. just too many problems and nobody has answers. rather than just blatantly give her our votes, and that is what we are doing -- they are, we are not none of my family is voting for hillary clinton. it is just a matter of we have got to make some -- we have got to start making demands. how come we are the only group that never gets anything? we never get anything. host: i will have heather mcghee jump in. guest: first of all, thank you for calling in. i am from chicago, as well. you know, that sentiment, that idea that we are at a place where neither party is serving

the needs of a grandmother who has four grandchildren who played by all the rules and went through college and are living at home because they cannot find not feelng job, we do like anyone in the statehouse in springfield, illinois, or in washington is really breaking through with real common sense solutions, that is about the most widely held view in america right now. people are looking at the system of money in politics. here is a good example -- that idea that you should be able to work hard, play by the rules, and get ahead and find a good paying job, that a full time jobs and not keep you in poverty, that is a commonsense idea that both republicans and democrats support. the only people who do not support it, the only sort of party that does not support it, is the very wealthy the right now have an outside influence in washington. we have done a lot of work with political science researchers over the past few years to

really look at, do the people who fund campaigns, and this is a fraction of the richest 1% of the country who are giving big checks, over $200 checks, to federal candidates, do they actually think different things about the economy and about our society? the answer is yes, particularly on the types of policies that would expand the middle class and the questions of tax policy, questions of investment in education, questions of how high the minimum wage should be. that for a lot of folks, looking at that research, and there is a series of reports on demos.org, and a lot of folks see that research and it makes sense. everyone has heard it in this country, but we not seeing breakthroughs on solutions. taxpayers who pay everyday salaries of elected officials, those paying for the campaigns, hundreds of millions

of dollars in campaign funding, they have different priorities. fortunately, we can reform a system of campaign finance. that is the thing that would get citizens united, to actually see bipartisan campaign finance reform. host: next call from ohio, republican. yes, thanks for taking my call. i have a question for you that nobody seems to ask anybody about. the unemployment in the united states is at 4.9%, somewhere in that area, but everybody knows the rate for the black man is much higher. it has been higher, and i cannot understand why 96% of the black people want to vote for a democrat who does not want to help with unemployment. they want to import illegal

immigrants into the country, and were does the black man benefit from having all these immigrants in this country? country?' guest: i think it is good for us to discuss these issues. you are absolutely right that blackmail unemployment -- black male unemployment is higher than it should be. they are two drivers for that. the first one is job discrimination. there are studies that show that a white man who walks into a job screening is given a callback, even if he has a criminal record that he presents when he walks in at a higher rate than a black man without a criminal record. the stereotypes and believes that we have about the , theirlity of black men

character, and frankly painful for me as the daughter and brother and sister of a black man. .re affecting the job market we had a blip of time in which we have have been swimming in the sea of negative stereotypes that justify a system of economic and social apartheid in this country. we really need to work on that. the eeoc, part of the government that supports -- supposed to tackle job this commission has been underfunded for a long time. the ability to do class-action lawsuits against employers to try to bring folks to the table find solutions, to be able to say you have to come to the table because we're seeing all this job discrimination among your workers.

it has really been helpful. that is one piece of jobs commission. the other piece is the fact we have a system right now where virtually every american has broken some law or other at a time. there are some communities, particularly communities that invested invested -- dis and are simply no police. jaywalking becomes an arrest or worse. i believe it at an arrest. jaywalking becomes an arrest. once you have that arrest, if you're african-american without a criminal record, you do worse than a white man with a criminal record. imagine if you have that kind of arrest. one out of every three americans has some kind of arrest record. it's particularly bad in the african-american community but it's an epidemic for all of us. we have to really turn the page on the system of mass criminalization and over and fees forfines

simple infractions. this is not the kind of america we believe he want to see. there is another place where we have a place for bipartisan reform. i don't get a think i'm dodging the question. this is a country of immigrants. it has always been a country of people who come to seek out opportunity. there are a lot of reasons why immigration from latin america was driven up in the 1990's. nafta is one of those reasons. this president has deported more people than any other president in history. the idea that he has in this -- and thison administration have been loose on immigration is a myth. you can talk to many immigrant families were living in fear who 20 years ago would have had a path to citizenship and today don't and are living in fear of deportation to humanize this

conversation. host: richard from springdale, arkansas. independent. caller: good morning, washington journal. i have a question for heather. please let me finish. it will take long. one of the first things she said was our democracy. as far as i know we are a representative republic. and to the republic for which it stands. she is highly educated. not only graduated high school, so please somebody explain to me at what point in the history of the united states did we become a democracy. greece is a democracy. look at them. greta, you are the moderator. you should let them say these things. -- shouldn't let them say these things. and what point in the history of this country did we become a

democracy? i was a fallen asleep and missed something. you tohe format allows challenge the guests that are sitting here in a civil way. go ahead. guest: thank you for your call and thank you for that question. i do think democracy is a word that is thrown around, including by the founders of this nation. yet we have to live every day to give it meaning. we are a representative democracy. democracy doesn't mean direct democracy. we don't have national referendum on every issue. we are a representative democracy where the building i can see here out of the window is where hundreds of people who have been elected by their citizens in their districts come to represent ideally the democracy -- represent the views of their constituents.

what we know is this country was never meant to represent everyone who lives here, works here and is a citizen. i can go into a lot of history that i don't think retta wants me to go into -- greta once me to go into. that has many struggle since it was founded. the word democracy does not mean every single person votes on every policy issue and law. we ideally all have a free and fair and unfettered access to the ballot and vote for representatives. next from las vegas. a democrat. caller: i'm an old white woman. i could write a book on racial discrimination. it is true, blacks are treated badly. they need to pull themselves out. we need to help the get them some education and help them get

a job because they are discriminated against. a white man will get a job before a black person does. i look on the all white here audience of donald trump and i can assure you that donald trump imports his employees. he doesn't care about minorities. donald trump loves himself. bite starts screaming she me, we better run for the hills. host: we will leave your comments there and i will have your response. freddie from maryland, independent college. caller: thank you so much c-span for giving us a voice. i'm calling as an african-american who voted for barack obama twice.

i am shocked when i see how black people are just all for hillary knowing how bad the problem in the black community is. we don't think. what is donald trump offering? he has not given as an alternative. what are his policies on the economy? things are bad in our community and the world has become such a bad place. i don't know why we just go for democratic party. we don't even think. . thank you so much guest: thank you for your call. i think that is been a theme among so many callers. i will say i think the african-american community has a relationship with the democratic party that isn't unthinking. it is a critical relationship. no community has a working and

middle class that is shape the direction of either party. that is really because of who funds the parties. that said, when you look at it, and is the color before said, as you look at the ideas people are offering up, the policy platforms of the republican and democratic parties, you will see that more of the concerns of working middle class folks where most african-americans are, very few were in the top 1% but there are some, most of those concerns have more realistic comments in solutions and the democratic party platform. things like free college. that's another place for that racial benefit is showing up. latinos andicans, white americans are all clamoring to get a college degree. my generation and younger generations know that is a ticket for the middle class in

the way it wasn't in previous generations. yet because we have for the past 25 years decided to give tax breaks to the wealthy corporations at the state level instead of investing in supporting the cost of public education, they had cut public education by $.26 on the dollar per pupil over the past generation. that big drop in money going to your state college, where is that money being made up? intuition and loans. can we can invest in something we know is good for the entire country, this economic growth, it is good for small businesses. which is everybody having not only a college degree, but not being saddled with debt when they come out. that should be a common sense, no-brainer solution. it's only in one platform right now. i would like to see that change but that is where we are. host: the democratic platform is what you are saying.

what happens if hillary clinton follows the advice of columnist tom friedman when he wrote, it is time that hillary pivoted. the country today doesn't need the first female president. and his the first president in a long time who can govern with the centerleft, center-right coalition and actually in the gridlock on a fiscal policy in a smart way. if donald trump continues to melt down into a puddle of bile, more republicans will be up for grabs. with the right progrowth economic policies, clinton would have an opening not only to enlisted to help her win, but to building governing coalition for the morning after." guest: i think we should unpack some of the terms in there. he said he was to do a centerleft fiscal policy. this is what i said at the beginning. it feels like our policies are shifting. folks might think the centimeters the center of where the democratic congress is in the center of where the republican congress is. that center is not pro-investing in the country and making the

wealthy and corporations, many of whom pay zero to little taxes, that is the center idea among the political class. is a corporate tax reform that doesn't raise taxes on any businesses that are currently offshoring. if you walk out of this town to virginia or maryland and gather a representative sample of americans who are republican, democrats and independents, that said it would say absolutely we think corporations that paper lobbyists and ceos one and they pay to the country to help make them strong should have to pay more in taxes. that is the center. this is that question right now where we are seeing more of a gap not between left and right in the country but between those two are already wealthy and powerful and have the rules pretty well rigged in their favor and those of us who have been left behind.

do i think there should be a centrist fiscal policy? yes. not if it's the center of the lobbyists and the -- host: ted, you are next. caller: i want to make a couple of statements. i would like to meet whoever raise heather. i think they did a great job and it really comes across. what troubles me is a c 94 million americans out of work. i see black youth unemployment at 40%. you are emphasizing college, which is fine, but they need to go into the trades like plumbers, masons, things like that. my concern is this. you seem to be fronting both parties and that is true, but you are pulling more for the democrats. i am wondering how today and in the future you will hold them accountable if they do get elected again and all these inner cities and on the national government after eight years, if we will have more of the same. who do you admire living that an

action person that you look to double get some of these things done that i agree with you on? andt: personal, my mother -- first of all, my mother and father thank you. [laughter] so, holding them accountable. i think that is really the question. the democratic party and the republican party have within them lots of different ideologies and factions and communities. i think we need to start thinking about the same way there are caucuses within each , really elevating that idea to voters. you can say, what kind of democrat are you? in new york state we have something called the working families party, which is able to do something that is not

possible in most state election laws which is to cross endorse. you can vote for the governor as a democrat, or you can go for him as a working families party person. if the party decides to endorse him. it sends a message that says yes, i am voting. if you can vote in say i'm voting for hillary but i am voting for a platform that is actually about working families. and i want to hold her accountable to working families party agenda. if you can pull that lever in addition to just pulling a lever between democrats and apublicans and not have it be spoiler third-party candidate, i think that will go a long way to having a sense of the county -- accountability for a strong set of positions. u.s. about jobs. i think this is crucial. we know a college degree is important. -- you can't have

a middle-class life in this country except a few small sectors of unionized jobs about a college degree. we think everyone should have a college degree if they want one and should not put them in financial ruin. we need a massive jobs program in this country. after the great depression, the first massive recession and great depression in the country, we had a program the put millions of people to work. every single person listening to this nose of problems that need to be solved. whether it is park city to be rebuilt, children and the elderly they need to be watched, roads that need repaving, water systems that need improving. the list could go on and on. infrastructure, human and hard infrastructure is not being fixed. for less than the cost of the bush tax cut in one year cut over one million

people back to work directory serving the communities. it would be wonderful to see a massive new jobs program. it would be wonderful to see investments in infrastructure. this has support from both the afl-cio, the labor federation and the chamber of commerce. it is not leaving because of congress right now. who do i admire? i admire reverend william barber, who is not an elected official but he is the head of the naacp in north carolina. host: and a guest on our show. guest: regular listeners will be able to relate to that. i think he has been able to. a multiracial coalition in north carolina that has been fighting policiesmerican set of set of policies that try to degrade the environment of my carolina and try to make it harder for people

to vote because they were african-american. that has been proven by the courts. movement isnday's impressive and shows the way forward. host: you can was set on c-span.org if you missed it. arnold, a democrat? caller: hello. host: you are on. go-ahead. caller: thanks. i would like to point out that when the northern democrats passed the civil rights act the southern democrats overcame republicans. a really good reason. thank you. host: let me hear from gary in north carolina, independent. caller: hi. good morning. i was hoping your guest did help me change my mind about some things. i am a white male. i am prejudiced. is it is something

i learned. when i opened up the papers i get very discouraged at one young black males are doing to each other and the crime rate. i understand they live in an environment with a lot of drugs. you have to get money for drugs. is an issue that goes beyond that. i have the different fears. come't want my fears to true. i try to avoid that. i come off as being prejudiced. i just have fears. i don't like to be forced to like people. i like to be led to like people their example. what can i do to change, to be a better american? host: heather mcghee? guest: thank you so much for being honest and for opening up to this conversation.

it is simply one of the most important once we have to have in this country. we are not a country that is united because we are all one racial group that all dissented from one tribe in one community. that is what makes this country beautiful, but it is our challenge. we have the most multiracial, multiethnic, wealthy democracy in the world. asked,the question you how do i get over my fears and my prejudices, is the question that all of us, people of all races and ethnicities and backgrounds hold onto these prejudices. most are unconscious. you say i'm not prejudiced, but of course we all have that. you are ability to say this is what i have, i have certain prejudices and i want to get over them is one of the most powerful things we can do right now at this moment in our history. thank you. so what can you do?

families wholack majorityven any involved in crime and gangs. turn off the news that night. sorry, greta. host: we are not delivering the news. that is fine. guest: we know that nightly news in media markets over represent african american crimes happening by white people. church if you are a religious person that is a black church or a church that is interracial. start to read about the history of the african-american community in this country. foster conversation in your neighborhoodur

where you are asking those kinds of questions. this fear of communities that we do not live near, we are still a very segregated country. millions of white americans live in places where they rarely see anyone of a different race. -- this set of ideas is tearing us apart. we know in order to be, our name means the people, in order to be united across lines of race and class and gender and age we have to get to know one another. surprised when we build relationships across that. host: republican, good morning. caller: i would like to say i have never been what you would call a democrat or a republican.

but i feel like we need a change. mother andd with my a cotton patch in alabama. my dad died when i was five and a half months old. my mother raised me on $30 a month. if we picked cotton and make money, she had to turn that in. they said that all for $30. -- they took that all for $30. i went to work in fort payne, alabama which was the salt capital of the world. when bill clinton signed that nafta bill my job left. it went overseas. we were all devastated. i mean devastated. that was our livelihood. we were known as the salt capital of the world. not that we made a lot of money, but we survived. i amt to say to this lady not prejudiced. i am not.

i have some very close black friends. i have a son that is thirtysomething years old. he has the mindset that everybody owes him something. some white people and some black people, everybody owes them something. i am not talking out of sorts. anyway i am voting for donald trump because we need a change. host: we will leave it there. guest: thank you for sharing your story. the country is full of amazing stories of grit and determination. the system of sharecropping you are referring to is one of those many examples in this country of wired systems that were set up primarily to disadvantage

african-americans, sharecropping replaced slavery in the cotton south, also hurt white families as well. where we train the swimming pool in order to make sure black folks don't get the swim. we set up a system and our past, particularly to her black families and keep them behind. a lot of poor white folks get trapped in it as well. you say we are at a place where young people think something is owed to them. i want to instead of just rejecting that say in some cases i think that is right. we are a country where the basic idea that you could get a job, have it the one where you can support a family, maybe not a life of luxury but you can afford a house, rent, save a little bit for the future. you might have health care on the job even if it was a

middle-class job or a white-collar job. you would be able to retire with dignity. those are things that young people are seeing that the grandparents had, even if they were not but we think of is good white-collar jobs. they had some security. i think they do feel like they should be owed that. people feeling young people -- people feel that if they work hard they should have some level of security in return. you are wise to talk about nafta as something that fundamentally changed the rule and made it so that our corporate sector can look for the cheapest possible labor. that not only changed the community, the salt capital the world that you were working in, it also changed the ballots -- balance of power in washington's. incyte corporation's could write

their own rules. we're seeing even more trade deals on the table, once it would expand the rights of corporations vis-a-vis the rules we create in our government even more. that is where i think donald trump has hit a nerve. that is where i think we are at this moment where politics are shifting and you are seeing the base of both the democratic and republican party say we want a different set of rules around trade in this country. it is not that we want to build walls and not export anything and not import any goods. we wanted to be something that takes into consideration the standard of living of workers. not just here in this country, but bangladesh and mexico were people are being paid pennies on the dollar. host: heather mcghee. if you want to learn more about her and her group, you can follow them on twitter at demos action.

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nation that was created in the american revolution. >> for our complete tv schedule, go to c-span.org. >> washington journal continues. host: we are back with open phones for the remainder of today's washington journal. start dialing in. even talk about politics or public policy issues. the front page of the washington post. they are reporting on what they say is a shakeup in the donald trump campaign. bannon,brennan -- taking over as chief executive and kellyanne conway is the manager. in its place will be a political ire directed at both parties any fears antiestablishment even those. harsh critiques of hillary clinton. trump plant to devote himself to five crucial states, florida,

nortel lannett, virginia, ohio and pennsylvania where he hopes to have a relentless presence on television that will electrify his working-class base and thousands of other people who have grown disengaged and frustrated with the political class. they report about those states. hillary clinton is leading mr. florida, 3%ut 5% in in ohio, to present in north carolina and nine points in pennsylvania. this is according to the latest real clear politics averages. saysashington times it will start tomorrow in florida, ohio, north carolina and pennsylvania. mrs. clinton has spent more than $60 million in this battleground states. more on that in the papers on what the media is reporting as a shakeup for the donald trump campaign. it is just expanding its staff. nancy in texas, independent.

what is on your mind this morning? caller: i was raised with the idea that you judge people like martin luther king says by the content of the character rather than the color of their skin. maybe most of americans are really trying to do that. then i listen -- i heard sheriff david clark talk about how welfare has heard the black population. --ave bought that for years thought that for years. hopefully the republicans haven't done what needs to be done for it but the democrats keptnot done anything but the poor people down. what can we do about that? we need to change that. were people have incentives and desires to work and are proud

and have self-esteem that the welfare system has taken away. host: rodney in maryland, democrat. good morning to you. caller: good morning. think to state what i along with a number of african-americans tend to vote democratic. for one thing while the democratic party is not perfect by any means, but the republican party frequently sends a message of great hostility towards the african-american community. news, talk to fox radio, you hear a constant message that somehow african-americans, hispanics are advancing at the expense of white americans. that's why i think you see such anger for the base that supports donald trump.

also the constantly hear republican officials and citizens that the republican, the constant anger and rhetoric that is targeted towards african-americans. it is difficult for me as an educated african-american to be able to listen objectively to a plea, an appeal from the republican party weather is such hostility voiced towards the party. one last comment. democrats don't try to support or suppressed the black votes. when you look at the overturn of the law by the north carolina supreme court where the governor and the republican legislator tried to put into place -- voterion laws

registration laws. that was overturned and correctly so. i don't see the democratic party doing those types of activities. host: you don't to the thecratic party -- activities of the north jolanda legislature and governor? caller: that is direct. host: got your point. roberta in san diego. what is on your mind? caller: i call in every once in a while. i always try to pass along something i think will be helpful and set of something that will criticize one party or another. i think we hear enough criticism of people. --as into c-span daily listen to c-span daily. i hear democrats outright hate republicans they don't know. anyone can go back and check it out for themselves. it is always the republicans that are that people.

i have been in california for 73 years. i will read something to you for my california sibley handbook from the year 2015. we have select committees, like every state does. committees on the status of men and boys of color. so that committees of the status of girls and women of color. when i saw that i thought it meant african-americans. i also have some phone numbers of our people who represent us in california. i called the people on this committee and i asked them, what is this about? they told me specifically it was about anybody but white people. they were concerned about anyone in the state of california but white people. i said why do we do that by income? are -- ifo me if we

the income is low, it doesn't matter what color you are if you can't buy food or not. i was so concerned about it because i do have a congressional handbook. those books have the names and phone numbers of our governors of all states. i called all around, five or six different states. democrats and republicans. none of the states have anything racist like california does. i can't tell you how insulting this is. when i spoke with them and i told them i have a dead child, i have a child that has both their breasts gone from breast cancer, i'm a single mother on welfare and food stamps, and they told me i was the exception. after they said that to me i said how do you know? no one has asked. i can't tell you how embarrassing it is for me as a 79-year-old woman, white women, that has worked my fingers to the bone in order to take care

of my four children. i have been on all these programs. i know the degradation of these programs. i know what abortion is. i know all these things. everybody talks about it. when i call the offices in washington and i asked the african-american congresspeople like is there nothing in our books in history books so african-american kids of people to look up to besides rappers and demean women in their voices and songs, i get nothing. no one will have a conversation with me. i was hoping to get in with the last lady. host: we have other calls to go to but that is what we are trying to do on washington journal. allow you and others from across the country to tell your stories and let washington know what you think and what is your background and what are you doing out in this country and what issues you care about the most.

caroline in winston-salem, north carolina. democrat. good morning. caller: i wanted to elaborate about the sheriff, sheriff clark and his statement about the african-american families in the ghetto. first of all, how did we get into those? back in the day they wouldn't allow us to buy land. they congregated us to development and people in leadership that decided to put us all in one location. that is how we got there. a lot of this started when the government was first formed. they had a debate with the congress and senate. a debate on whether to allow the black man to be sold to another slave owner who separated him from his family. where did that come from?

the counseling that. it's a generation of things. wire black women so promiscuous? could it be because maybe they were raped and taken advantage of by slaveowners? caroline referring to the milwaukee sheriff david clark. we talked about that earlier on. he wrote a piece recently in the ll.com.wspaper, thehi he was at the republican national convention and had a speaking post there and spoke to those gathered in cleveland last month. the washington times front page this morning, five years on president obama syrian hopes fall far short. they note that while the u.s. has been on the sidelines

450,000ly, more than syrians have died in the civil war. mr. assad has relied on russian help in that fight. russia and iran. the news is this week that and --has used irani iranian airbases to fly airstrikes into syria, into the opposition in syria. this is from politico this u.n.ng with the headline, pro could pose serious dilemma for the president. they report a you and investigative report due out next week and force president obama to once again grapple with a tricky subject of a chemical weapons use in syria, including how far to push russia at a time of escalating tensions. it is likely officially saturated -- interview -- there is a story in the papers

this morning about the type of bombing that is going on used by russians that they have been bombs.ncendiary the pointare 10 times of boiling water. there was this picture and a video that has the warning is graphic -- i have to warn you is graphic. a child footage with amulets on wednesday after being pulled out of the building, hit by an airstrike in aleppo, syria. you can see him being put into the ambulance. watch this video that many have seen. it has gone viral and many people talking about it on social media. [video clip] [indistinct chatter] shouting

[speaking foreign language] -- a childwas h wil pulled out of a building after an airstrike in aleppo. morning for the rest of today's washington journal. we have about 15 minutes left. we go to sal in washington state. good morning. good morning and things for taking my call. i want to talk about the weather. i am not here on the west coast. can you hear me? host: are you close to the wildfires? caller: know, i'm good. -- no, i'm good. i want to talk about the skies. it's called geo-engineering.

i went to the library where i live. i looked of geo-engineering. i made a request through the information act. geo-engineering, the first thing rail andss up is chem t harp. you can look this up yourself. the third thing says weaponize weather systems as a multiplier for the military. if you can stress the population, you can flooded out, choked them out with wildfires, etc.. finally in this century it will be a land grab by corporations of the planet. not just this country. the planet. thank you for my little spout. please, go to the library and take a look. i think you are doing a

wonderful service here. host: olga in pennsylvania. independent color. caller: thank you for this opportunity. i've never had this opportunity to share my experience. unfortunately with blacks. i am hispanic with all of skin. skin my mother. is from spain in my father was a rare indian. i was not raised with the stigma that blacks have been brought into. we never discussed race in my family. i had no idea what discrimination was. age irew up at an early had a crush on a black eye. later on i couldn't believe what went on. as a group of older i did not understand why blacks didn't like me.

in school they were throwing on the ground. they told me my mother didn't love me and all kinds of crazy things like that. i saw that same boy i had a crush on later on. -- heted me out introduced me. they were just friends. when i got there and the people started coming in, they went into the kitchen. they guys in the party came over to me while my friend was in the and told me ihem could do better. later he came back and told me you shouldn't be here. you don't belong here. you are missing with the party. derek in randallstown,

maryland. good morning. caller: i wanted to say the ladies understand, personally myself, i'm against any black person who is prejudiced or discriminate against anybody. i don't care who they are. i don't care where they live. i don't care what their sexual orientation is because if you do, you have not understood your history in this country. two wrongs do not make a right. you fight it by making sure no one else has to go through this again. that is how you win. that is god's will. i have 58 years old, retired. and i got and raised a degree from the school of hard knocks.

also a graduate of merriment and johns hopkins. a lot of these white folks on tv, the reason they don't understand us is because we have lived two different lives. i've experienced more discrimination, bigotry and racism in the first 15 years of my life than any white person ever will end their entire lives. they could care less. i think that is the problem. they need to read up on their history to understand why black people are disgusted, especially when you think about when they are pushed into the inner cities. 48 -- economist estimated the revenue stockpiled by whites just on slavery, nothing else, in today's money would be $11 trillion. when these white folks start whining about how life is so hard, you don't know about hard life.

america is not great because you are not having your way. in palm harbor, florida. republican. you were on the air. caller: yes i am. after listening to some of these comments i feel that everybody is making this about race. that needs to enter out of everybody's mind. we have a black president now. race is not an issue anymore. if everybody would stop talking about race, race, race, we would have lacked presidents. in michigan we had a black mayor. he brought the city to death. he can't say a white man -- my father is from italy. he was treated very racist when he came to this country. everybody has their own issues. the fact is we need to rally together. the fact that the republicans are not going to rally behind

their democratic nominee is ridiculous. the first time in history we on wherean election go 66% of people don't like either delegate. one people want to start talking about bigotry this and that, they are overlooking the bigger problems. we have people who have been in power for 40 years in these offices. thinks need to change regardless. this isn't about race or anything else. we need to come together. there are 70 things that have gone on. the obamacare bill, they slipped in things under our noses that nobody knows about. our freedom is slowly being taken away but everyone is worried about donald trump saying a phrase that sounds racist, or the white man doesn't know the black man has been through. that is in the past. in the past. host: i will leave your point there so it can get a more calls. richard in florida, independent. caller: good morning. -- if you're

member a year ago the un was talking about how thin the ice is at the polar caps. they were going to sail to the antarctic from one side to the other because of the thin ice. they got a couple of weeks into it and they got frozen in and they had to be rescued by helicopters from one rescue unit. also they talk about whether change -- weather change or climate change. look at the weather channel. five days in a row. when they say it's going to be sunny a lot of times it is raining. when they say it's raining, a lot of times it is sunny. last year i think we had record snowfall in one part of the country and record heat and another. this is how accurate these people are. that building behind you, when

they start using solar energy to cool with and a heat with, than the people out here know we have a very corrupt government. host: robert in englewood, florida. democrat. robert? you are on the air. i would never vote republican. i don't vote a lot. i voted for obama against romney because to me he dodged the draft. and donald trump dodged the draft. he said he had a bone spur in his foot. i would like to see them investigate that. he is talking about sending thousands of our young troops to iraq. when his time came he was nowhere to be found. that is basically my statement. host: frank in memphis, tennessee. caller: how are you?

this is the problem i really have. you get on tv. you never put any poor white folks on tv. tv never put any whites on that are for. -- poor. you always talk about poor blacks, their education. you have white people that are uneducated. and poor. you would never talk about why people going to jail. in america only black people go to jail, only black people on welfare, only black people have abortions. host: we heard your point but a thinker on washington journal. we share statistics over the years that bear out what you are saying. it is not all just one demographic on these programs or being incarcerated as you are saying. when it comes to criminal justice reform, that the

conversation because recently on washington journal quite a few times. you can go to c-span.org and those wordsut in the search those words and you will find we've had many conversations. gary in farmington, new mexico. caller: thank you for taking my call. i wanted to talk about the economy. we are $20 trillion in debt. we are still talking about roads infrastructure. i think it was the democrats that took this step. whether they do with the money? wise hillary clinton still talking about roads and infrastructure? we would just like to know. voting for hillary is like voting for the welfare training and taking care of 90 million people out of work. and more government services. when you vote for donald trump

people put people back to work and capitalism will come back and set of socialism. -- instead of socialism. host: wall street journal adds to the conversation about economy. the federal reserve board's last meeting, if you look at and minutes of the meeting released yesterday, it shows the board is split about what to do on interest rates and that a rise is possible next month. the release of its minutes from the july meeting suggest a rate inrease the possibilities september but will not commit until strongest consensus can be reached about the outlook for growth, hiring in inflation. alexandra in texas. a republican. caller: hello. i had some other thoughts on a first called and i appreciate you taking my call. listening to the callers, the

gentleman that talked about the -- i agree. it does seem to show it is only the black population that is on welfare and this and that and the other thing. i am not black and i know quite a number of people that are not black they do take advantage of the welfare programs and also stuck in welfare programs. if they do attempt to get a job or something, they are cut off entirely from the benefits. therefore they can't afford to get off of welfare. i think that's been going on for at least 30 years that i know of. longer than that. i know people that literally were stuck on that program because they couldn't afford to get an entry level job to support their family as well as -- benefit from the government. people get a hand up

and set a handout. i was born up in detroit and lived there in the 1960's. some of the things going there. i listened to trump's speech in wisconsin the of the night. it was the first time i heard a politician say what i believe needs to happen. when he to go in and help whatever the population is. a lot of it is the black population stuck in the inner cities. invest in their education, and jobs and businesses. the only way they can happen is with a better police presence to protect those people who want to get out of the welfare program. . they can't do that if they don't get help host: tony in princeton, west virginia. we have a couple of minutes left here. a minute left here. what is on your mind this morning? caller: that think i have notice

on your show is a lot of discussion about race and the fact that people don't know their history. and ais a book documentary about the history of the democratic party. they started the ku klux klan. george wallace, all these people that oppressed black people and other minorities were all democrats. see one on the show's you could inform people a lot better than me. and take some calls. he is a brilliant person and he has everything he has put out documented as fact and historical facts. i think people need to know the true history of the democratic party. host: caller: good morning. my comment this morning is about institutional racism.

when funds come from washington, d.c., all political matters are dominated by male domination. we do not have enough women in this country to help practice pluralism in america. andad two great churches there are others working hard to eliminate all of this racism. there is conflict when it comes to measuring people in local government, and that is the problem. governments are more concerned about riding around in big jets and i think they can go to airport like everybody else. we need government, but we also need some competent mass, just straight mass, to be applied to the principal problems that people are having at the local level. ho