union. graduate report on rates and wage outcomes at public colleges and universities. are lanae hatalsky tamarahiler of third [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. . sit ncicap.org] host: good morning. friday, august 19, 2016, and on the headlines on today's "washington journal," donald regret over some of the words he's used on the first n trail and his remarks since shuffling his campaign leadership team this vice the republican presidential candidate says he regrets saying things that cause people, quote, personal pain, vowed to always tell the truth. meanwhile, the clinton it will n announced stop accepting donations from foreign corporations if. hillary clinton: wins the presidency.

a move aimed over potential donor influence. news, aetna's plans to scale back its participation exchanges under the affordable care act has at the ealthcare back center of the debate. we start this morning by asking viewers, how would you change the affordable care act. we have special lines for this question. hose insured through the affordable care act can call 202-748-8000. hose with employer-provided insurance can call 202-748-8001. you f you are uninsured, can call 202-748-8002. you can also reach us on social cspanwj twitter, on and also on facebook. morning. we will get to some of the other during our show as well as our discussion with our guests and our open line segment a little later on but starting today with

discussion about the affordable are act after news that aetna, joining some other healthcare providers in pulling out of the exchange. we encourage you to join in to this debate, particularly if you one of the by insurance plans that will no exchange.on the in today's wall street journal, of oints out how the issue healthcare and the decision by aetna to pull out is affecting that mpaign trail saying new ry clinton is facing issues on both the left and the right on the affordable care act. it says aetna chose the need for competent-run option to with private insurance companies or even for single payer for all program as senator bernie sanders proposed again this week. at the same time, conservatives aetna's decision shows the law isn't working and should be scrapped. just today announced that

are are dropping out as many of the insurance agencies. obamacare is a disaster, presidential nominee donald trump said in a rally and this in wisconsin debate is playing out on the news gn trail, as this continues to resonate. and we want your thoughts about this. start with peter -- i'm sorry. e will later be talking to peter sullivan of the hill. in fact, i think we have him right now. you there? guest: yes, i'm here. host: hi. e are talking with peter sullivan. he is a reporter with the hill ho covers healthcare and has written about this issue. peter, thank you for joining us this morning. having me. s for host: explain to us what aetna nnounced and who it will affect. guest: they announced they're dropping out of some of the the care marketplaces, affordable care act marketplaces

in 11 states, so they were in 15 and they're saying next ear, they're only going to be in four, so dropping out of 11. this affects most people. most people get their health insurance through their jobs or employer and it doesn't affect those people. this is only people in those 11 up on the have signed and only marketplaces if they had aetna basically. o if you had that plan, you're going to have to find a new plan next year. but really, the larger effect is what this says about the health law as a whole, is this a sign are having trouble making money, that policy changes need to be made to the make it work better for insurers? host: and how do you expect, to play out on the hill? from senator heard bernie sanders calling for a

public option, if not a single-payer system. how do you expect that to play out? a great that's question. i mean, a lot of people are looking to congress to make some some fixes, to make the law work better. he problem is that, obviously, this is such a politically-charged issue, republicans and democrats are so here that it's hard to see how anything is going to happen, at least in the near term. i mean, no one is expecting anything to happen out at least before the election, and then the question next year, are they going to be able to put aside heir differences and do something? i mean, we're going to have to wait and see on that. okay, and you write in your piece -- on one of your this on the hill about issue that the decision specifically by aetna to pull obamacare supporters, you

argue that the announcement is a sign of broader problems with the law but instead a irect result of the administration suing the to lock the company's proposed merger with humana. can you talk a little bit about that? guest: yes, so that's definitely the line from democrat supporters of the law, of saying yeah, don't draw broad conclusions. this doesn't show obamacare is in trouble. they point to this decision by the justice department last in july, to sue to block with s proposed merger sayher insurer, humana, and basically aetna got mad at the obama administration after their got blocked and they just say, oh, we're not going to articipate in your health law anymore. and so did this. of it whichher side

ays maybe aetna was just playing nice and participating more than they wanted to before the hopes that it would please the administration, so they'd approve the merger, and once they saw that it wasn't going to go through, they said, okay, we'll tell you the truth. so, i mean, no one really knows. you have to figure out what the full and we don't have 100% evidence of any of this, but that merger decision is part of it. how -- can you explain a little bit for our viewers exactly how the healthcare system is supposed to work and how might the of aetna and other insurers affect that process? sure.: so the example that president that supporters sometimes give is expedia,

travelocity, one of those web sites where you can buy a plane something, it's supposed to work like that, but this time you're buying health insurance. and compare on different plans, their prices, what they cover, different about them.ns and then you can select the one for you.st so that's how it's supposed to it does work's how in a lot of places. the problem with aetna's and with other decisions by other insurers ecently is that that cuts down on the choices. so in a lot of -- in five states going to, there's only be one insurer. so it's like you're trying to buy a plane ticket and there's airline to buy from, so there's no competition, and that higher.ke the price and that cuts down on the number of choices that you have. host: okay, we're talking to eter sullivan on the hill, a reporter to cover aetna's plan

to scale back its participation exchanges thcare under the affordable healthcare marketplaces. peter, it shows here -- i'm looking at a research center healthcare ows that is a top issue among voters. 4 issue among voters in the 2016 election. you expect this to play out in a presidential election year? it's interesting that, you know, obamacare is politically charged issue, but so far, it hasn't een a huge issue on the campaign trail at least compared to previous years, 2010, of year , not a presidential but that was right after it passed, and that was a huge and democrats lost a lot of seats. as bigar, it hasn't been of an issue. of course, donald trump says he wants to repeal it. she wants nton says to keep it and build on it.

that this ssible aetna news could make it a bigger issue. t's kind of resurfaced obamacare more in the news, and pointed some to the news as an indication of law.lems with the so we'll have to see whether it kind of bubbles up. it's been kind of an unusual residential year, so obamacare hasn't been the number 1 issue, this 's possible that aetna decision could kind of up in the ranks host: host: okay. peter sullivan with the hill talking about the decision to scale back aetna's participation changes.alth thank you for joining us this morning. me. t: thanks for having host: and we want to hear from our viewers about this issue. we have special lines, those insurance through the

federal healthcare changes can call 202-748-8000. employer provided insurance can call 202-748-8001. uninsured viewers can call 202-748-8002 and we're of icularly interested, course, to hear from any viewer the s directly affected by decision by aetna or any of the other insurers to end their participation. we have david calls in from new empl , maryland, with employer-provided coverage. avid, how would you change the affordable care act? caller: well, i think you could solve two problems with one include t would be to medicare as an option in all the healthcare exchanges. to get allow people into medicare at an earlier age but have to pay into it, which actually help prop up medicare financially, and it broaden the power of medicare to where more doctors in it, drive ate

the price of the prescription drugs under medicare down as you participation and more buying power, and i think medicare has been proven to be most affordable medical delivery system in the country. it provides more care for less other system we have. greathink that would be a option in healthcare exchanges. host: okay, and it sounds that formerthe plan secretary of state clinton's proposal. embracing at least a public option to be affordable healthcare plan that would compete with private insurers. what you want or would you like to see a broader of medicare? caller: well, i think medicare should be a public option and it something a people under 65 pay into like a normal insurance program. same gain, if i paid the price for medicare that i paid for my employer for private insurance -- and when i say

employer-provided, i still pay for it -- then i'd actually be medicare than the delivery system costs, and they'd be actually making money me, which would be helping support medicare as a whole. host: okay. let's take a look at a little bit about what hillary clinton public option on the campaign trail. hillary clinton: i've also said and improve the affordable care act and for me, that includes giving americans of a ry state the choice public option health insurance help everybody afford coverage. it will strengthen competition drive down costs. now, these are all causes i've for decades, and i believe they point to a fundamental truth about our economy. it can seem like a zero sum when job, re competing for a promotion or a contract, if someone wins and someone loses, not the full picture.

if you step back, you'll all see together. n this host: and a little bit more about former secretary of state in the's support of that day's wall street journal. it says in february, the clinton added to her ly web site the statement supporting a public option. mentioned the matter until july when she reaffirmed to position after talks support from bernie sanders after the primary, but advisors ay her support for the idea is genuine. up next from our viewers, we from rica calling in somerset, new jersey, and you aca-provided insurance. good morning, erica. caller: good morning. would you like to see the affordable care act change? i'm not sure. it's probably very complicated. to me that something's not right when i have the same insurance now and premium is over $900 a

and it was about $500 a same before for the exact coverage. host: before what? made that coverage change? through the it aca. host: but before, did you get it employer? r caller: i estimated my income if my income is a little bit higher than what i estimated, $400-a-month subsidy. the actually premium is over $900 for the same coverage that i used to pay in the open market same insurance company month, and it requires a $400-a-month subsidy me the same coverage

that i used to have at approximately the same price for it.sed to pay host: erica, would you like to subsidy mount of the increase or the eligibility of the subsidy to increase? one solution that some have proposed. caller: well, i'm wondering whether they're taking money from middle-income people like help the poor people and not taking money from wealthier people to help the poor people. , but it to do my part eems to me that if i'm paying $400 a month more for the same that i used to get for month, and that the only way i can keep the premium at is to make before about 30-something thousand year.rs a

and then if i go above $40,000 a pay i'm going to have to 4-$5,000 back to the government, that they're the numbers wrong not -- and they're they're certainly not getting savings. host: okay. oday in the new york times, olumnist paul talks about the healthcare law in a piece called obamaca bump.are hits a he said there's a fix for the system and says it would be quite easy to fix the system. it seems clear subsidies for purchasing insurance and in some insurers themselves should be somewhat bigger, an affordable proposition, given that the program so far has come under budget and easily justified now that we know just our fellow ny of

citizens needed coverage. point that was made today in paul's column in new york times. up next, we have brenda. brenda is calling in from virginia.g, brenda, how would you change the affordable care act? caller: good morning, c-span. now, i've watched the hearings rom top to finish when the affordable care act was being debated. to -- in addition to half the lies that were told, it didn't seem like from the insurance companies. now, the affordable care act afford care. what it does is afford nsurance, and insurance companies have a stranglehold on healthcare in this country. not right. the insurance companies -- and they are in my -- should not be making money off of people's

health. host: can i ask you this: you have medicare coverage. you satisfied with the level of coverage that you get and do you think medicare should be expanded? i don't even use it. i use aca and i use tricare for life. when i was employed i had insurance as a supplement to employer, andh my the premiums jumped every year, $40 every single year until i decided i didn't need it. i'd rather go ahead and pay the or whatever it is. i don't know about the copays, but the deductible. to go ahead and use my tricare prime and get out of the private insurance companies, because what happens is the insurance company -- you're in the sick, your ou're insurance company tell the doctors to discharge you because you know you're not well, the doctors know you're not well, but the company says you're well. so i would like to see insurance ompanies out of the healthcare business in the first place.

we pay our premiums into a all system and get the insurance companies out of there. nobody should be making money of somebody else's suffering doing l they're doing is the paperwork. host: okay. dandra next, we have calling in from bluntville, tennessee. the ave insurance through healthcare system, the federal healthcare exchange. federald you change the healthcare act? caller: well, first, i would it to where the overnment could negotiate the drug prices and so the patients cancer or some bad a disease, that their medicines wouldn't cost so much, and there are some people i know out of the country to

get their medicine. can get the same medicines out of canada or some country, i feel sure that get their medicine right out of the united states. host: let me ask you this. you seen the cost of your change under your insurance through the healthcare exchange? caller: yes, one of my medicines 2800 a month. to and so -- and it was over $100 a pill. and so my insurance just cut that off. i had about three medicines that they just quit, because i on social security, and i have a low income, and so medicines would just higher than they were

couldg to pay, my doctors not negotiate to even get it, so i just do without it. and -- host: can i just ask you one more question: is this an issue to you in the t election year? is it helping -- is it one to voten who you choose for in november? caller: yes. i'm a registered democrat, and i am going to vote for donald and i'm going to try to people -- i've been talking to other people, and there needs to be a change. i want to e thing say. in the aca -- and i've government gotten loans so i could go to college nd i graduated, and i got a double degree in two majors, one f english and one in

psychology, and it is in the aca loan, a student gets a they cannot buy a house, and hey cannot renegotiate the price. they have to pay 8 1/2% for the the college loan in the aca, and then they can not ever that house until they get loan paid off, and i think it's a crying shame. host: let's take a look at what said about the ederal healthcare law on the campaign stop. donald trump: because we have to straighten out healthcare, obamacare is going to be and replaced. [cheering] did you see what's happening with obamacare? you see where the numbers going up 30, 40, 50%? 1, they're trying to delay it. you're going to get increases, robably the likes of which no country, nobody has ever seen. anybody in the history of texas, going

shield,blue cross, blue they just had almost a 50% premiums.n their but the deductibles are so high, one unless you get hit by of those general electric and you live for like a long time prior to death, able to use ever be your healthcare, the healthcare, happened.ere's what's here's what's happened. the deductible is so high you never get to use it. you're spending money. your raise is by 17, 18, 19% but going to go really bad. really bad. its own g to die of voelition but we have to kill it first. host: that's donald trump in erie, ast week pennsylvania about the healthcare law plan which he lans to repeal if he is elected. up next, we're talking to merrill from bowie, maryland. aca insured, merrill.

how would you like to see the change? e care act caller: hi, good morning. do, c-span.hat you with respect to improving the all, i do believe that the -- it should be increased. i say that because we are all in this together. and one of the things i think i'm a working entrepreneur and i have been paying taxes in my local lived, tion where i've and i've helped basically finance the education of some of and fellow citizens. now, obviously i can make the argument that i'm subsidizing not education but that's the way i look at it. i look at it as the way of country and we have to think about healthcare as something that will help our country. we have a population that

is not helping, and you cannot will remain y that healthy. and i think all the politicians needs to really figure it out in corporate ed america, and the same thing that i hear about the affordable care are the same things that i heard from my employer. premium.o increase our i had this 15, 20 years ago. increases are not abnormal when it comes to healthcare. life. part of host: let me ask you this, one oint brought up by some people with affordable care act coverage is an increase in expenses.ket is that something that you have experienced in your coverage? caller: well,, you know, yes, i out-of-pocket increase. but at the same time, when you have insurance, you tend to go a little bit more about ailments, as opposed to not having insurance.

i can certainly see your out of pocket will increase because you're getting more healthcare services. obviously you are going to have an increase in out of service.f you use any that's just natural. host: okay, up next, we have massachusetts.om bill, you have employer-supplied insurance. see the you like to federal healthcare law changed? on er: well, i just went medicare last month because i turned 65. and i stillo that -- have to have supplemental does not e medicare cover enough. waiting, there's so many people said so many good things, it kind of took the wind ut of everything i've got to say. but primarily, we have examples have er countries who seemed to get a handle on how to reduce the prices and make more stream lined. called a er had -- i

few months ago about somebody who was on. advocating, they were just explaining things about health insurance companies. mentioned that earlier on the phone.ot i don't see any reason for their existence, other than they make profit for themselves. i don't think they add any benefit to what's -- host: let me just ask you this question i had asked some other this been a major issue in who you choose to vote for? absolutely. i didn't mean to cut you short. absolutely. just an indication of gone as farngs have as people with money and and things because about 20 years ago -- actually, don't know, maybe 15 years ago, i was paying maybe about for a month, $200 a month

insurance. when i just got off it recently, coverage, and it was about $1,000 a month. i don't know what the heck people with a couple of looking at the rates for them, for what i had to -- its pretty close and etween 25 and -- 2500 $3,000 a month. where the heck do they come up with this money? talking about education, this could go to something much more beneficial to the country. okay. that was bill calling in from massachusetts. callers today f eager to talk about this issue. next, we have cliff calling in from essex, maryland. you're uninsured, cliff. like to see the federal healthcare law change? caller: good morning. for c-span, by the way. uninsured.tually

i'm actually calling in on the uninsured line because none of actually fit my situation. 'm an unemployed -- actually retired disabled veteran, and i get my healthcare through the va. so i'm not -- there's not employer insurance, it's not aca uninsured.t host: and are you satisfied with coverage and, if not, how would you like to see changed to help folks like you, retired veterans? caller: well, first of all, i think the supreme court got it saying that g by the aca was constitutional. because in my opinion, it not, to be able to say that the government can to buy their insurance, and then penalize them and even put them in jail they don't is completely a fascist system, if you ask me.

and the affordable care act is another means of control. entire last 16 years of this country has been nothing ut a lie and based on 9/11, we've got this terrori terrorist -- manufactured war on terrorism, this is the homeland security. crap. l fascist host: okay. and bernie sanders, senator bernie sanders of vermont is his push to add a public option to the federal law according to the hill. this is something he advocated during his campaign and became a center piece of it. he would r said reintroduce his legislation to reate a quote medicare for all system. in the next session of the senate hopefully after democrats chamber inrol of the november election. visioniew, the prosecute

of healthcare cannot continue to be dependent on the wins and projections of large private insurance companies whose only goal is to make as sandersfit as possible, said in a statement announcing plan. next, we have bob calling from hanover, maryland. how would you change the affordable care act? caller: i'm not really sure how know thatit, but i do some of the things that were d about the prices going up -- i'm a federal government mployee, so i get the same insurance from the aca and same options but my premium did go up. said about theer school education, you know, we subsidize college education in america, and we subsidize america, in rural just like we do education. we're trying to provide for the nation as the last caller called it fascism as

we provide for the common welfare of all the systems. i'm not sure if that's fascism a form of providing for their community. were you going to ask a question? host: yes, you said your premiums went up. you said you have employer-supplied healthcare, yet your premiums have gone up too. a sign hink that that's a t the overall system has problem in terms of regulating the premium costs? caller: whenever you regulate prices you get a problem, because who does the regulations in so benefits from it that's not really the issue. the issue is more that we rovide the -- as we stated earlier, the insurance companies get a chance to really say what whereas if youe, have other countries such as u.k. and, you know, the they give each person a certain doctorsf money, and the are responsible for allocating that money per year, and at the of the year, the doctors are

able to, i think, you know, if call in and can verify, i think the doctors are able to reclaim a portion of funds that they -- that each of their patients are year.ated each so that takes all of this off of put nsurance companies and t a docket to manage the care better, looking at all the extra examinations and things. beforesay one more thing we hang up. it takes someone with real experience to figure all of this out and obviously donald trump doesn't have that type of experience whereas hillary clinton does and i understand it choice of the lesser two evils but, you know, evil, it's probably not the best choice. ost: up next we have john calling in from lincoln, nebraska. john, you have insurance through exchange.hcare how would you like to see the system change? caller: well, you know, i was a person before i

came online and i really wasn't with any changes to it, and thank you for the opportunity to speak. daily. your show i've been self-employed my whole areer, and of course, i always bought my own health insurance because that's something that i knowing you had to have, and i would watch my insurance company move and sell company everyrent year and starting out in my $200 a month ying to just before i started with paying thcare, i was $1,000 a month for health insurance. idea of health insurance costs going up now has been payer, i've a self always done. and so that's -- can i ask you a quick question? caller: sure. the affordable care act has been passed, have you

that you pay as . self insured person change caller: oh, it's been tremendous. it's been wonderful. $105 a month now. i'm still working. i have a twin brother that he's retired and he still works. pay a little bit more because it's based on your income. as my income changes from year to year, i pay more or less. i go to a doctor that accepts of payments. my treatment is fabulous. when i go to pay the kr doctor. i use medications generic. i respond beautifully to them. 2-$300 a was paying month for my medications and now $15 in and it's maybe because i use generic and they cost a lot less.

the affordable care act has been a wonderful, wonderful experience for me as far as what i'm paying out. f i may for just a moment though, i'd like to respond to brenda, and i believe it was ust bob that you were speaking to. i agree with them both, that ealth insurance is not something that people should be making a profit on, people's health.une and bad and i thought bob spoke very -- the federal employee eloquently about his knowledge as to the healthcare program. okay. we have a lot of callers that want to chime in on this issue. gary calling in from tempe, arizona. ary, you got your insurance through the healthcare exchanges. how would you like to see the system changed? well, first of all, i'd just like to say that my wife not reast cancer and would have received treatment if it hadn't been for the affordable care act. so it saved her life. next thing that's important

to mention is that the majority in to your lling show have no idea what they're talking about when they're talking about their insurance, idea, because unless you have personally written your requested ompany and what's called the plan document, only thing that the law requires the insurance company to cover. nd if you haven't requested that from your insurance company, they have to respond within 30 days of that request, ou have no idea what it's covering, because your contracts don't cover it, the brochures it. give you don't cover the only thing that actually covers you is the plan document, very important and i'll bet you 99.9% of the people that never ling in have requested the plan document from their insurance company. this.gary, let me ask you you said that the affordable care act has worked well for you and your family. decision by some major insurers like aetna to pull out of the many of the exchanges

concern you? caller: well, that just shows how greedy the insurers are, all the reason for backing out is, is that it limits -- the affordable care limits the amount of profit that they can take, and they that, so they want to go back to being able to sell nonexistent insurance policies where they things thatver some only cover much less than what people think. cheaper, hey get it but they're not getting anything either. host: okay. calling we have daniel in from ann arbor, michigan. daniel, you have employer-supplied insurance. how, if any way, would you like to see the aca changed? yes, i -- you know, i just feel like the aca has a burden on employers, have feel like employers been reducing their workforces a lot based on the affordable care act. know, for example, a lot of

mployers are really trying to stay under the 50 employee minimal threshold to not have to pay insurance, as well as employers are doing a lot to keep people under 30 hours per week. know that sounds great for people who have stuff to do at home. need reality, we full-time work, we need steady this and i feel like section of the affordable care act has really put a job growth and, you know, everybody knows, you know, income is kind of tagnant, you know, there's raises in some areas, but across the board, we haven't seen and i believeowth the affordable care act has really caused a significant employers to try to eliminate that. and then there's a few companies like trader joe's and , you know, trader joe's used to offer part-time workers healthcare, they don't offer it at

all because it's not part of the rules. causing a line where people are really trying to stick by the rules. daniel, let me interrupt you just to ask you, those rules meant to designed to encourage employers to provide to its insurers, sort of to help everybody get insured. propose that be one if the -- that minimum employee position isn't there? know, uh-huh, yeah, you i do believe it was designed to healthcare forer employees. but what it's caused is saying, you work 29 have hours per week. that way, you can find it in the marketplace and odds are, it similar care, but there -- you know, basically i know a handful of people that

part-time, and you know, i don't believe that the adequate for is their -- for a real lifestyle. o, you know, it's -- that's my point. host: okay. up next, we have john calling in from holy oak, massachusetts. john, you have medicare. how have you seen the affordable are act affect you and would you like to see a change made? this is asically, probably another wall street 1% with government -- i basically call it eugenics. eugenics. we set up ponzi schemes by the % corporations and say they're patriotic and now are hiding their money offshore accounts. when bush said, "if you're not with us you're gainst us?" why is it corporations can go to foreign companies and do business in russia and saudi arabia, but considered our allies? i think this is a ponzi scheme etween government and the

corporations to extort money from the middle class and poor to the giving money rich. host: well, john, what would you like to see the system look like then? i would like to see a ransparent system, and in a country where we're supposed to have transparency through our ead ers and everything is done in secret through supposedly for security, but we end up handing information to sellertions that get the information for profit that what is the government there for in the first place? if they're not there to protect us, they're just there to throw wolves, to the 1%? host: okay, up next, we have from bella ing vista, arkansas. to les, what would you like see changed in the affordable care act? caller: well, i think you better results first before you change anything. cost of insurance is a

how many portional to people require medical. by the way, if you don't want to charge -- have anybody make you betterf illness, get rid of the doctors and nurses in the hospitals. because they don't exist without being paid. type ofou smoke, or the life you live is in direct illness -- soyour if you smoke, it's going to hurt in the long run, plus the fact it's going to cost you tell -- from what they me -- around $2,000 a year to smoke. ost: charles, let me ask you this: you have aca insurance. that ve you seen affect -- caller: i didn't say i had aca. to the va girl i went and i have to pay my supplemental insurance. host: i see.

and are you satisfied with that coverage? caller: and they better think inut who created the problem the first place. host: okay. calling we have ernest in from aurora, colorado. ernest, what kind of insurance do you have and how would you like to see the affordable care act change? hello, ernest, are you there? it looks like we have lost ernest. and that's going to take us to our break. up next, we will be schlapp, o matt chairman of the american conservative union and a donald trump supporter. he'll join us to talk about the at the trump campaign. and later on, two researchers tank, the third way, to talk to us about their won't fix.t free too many colleges are drop-out factories. newsmakers interviewed roger stone, a long-time friend of donald trump consultant in nine

republican presidential races. you can watch roger's interview 8:00 p.m., t at 11:00 p.m. and on sunday. ere he talks about how he thinks the 2016 election could be rigged. >> one thing that trump and you alleged frequently is that this election could be rigged. why do you say that, and do you a dangerous thing to be saying for a democracy? a dangerous lly thing to not being saying. i believe there is a distinction between voter fraud and election theft. i can see that voter fraud is somewhat limited. ons not nonexistent, as some the left say, but it is at a minimum limited. i think it will be focused an attempt to have illegals vote in a number of states. election theft is something very different. that is the fixing of the very, very ich is easily done. professor in an

excellent profile in politico easy it is and pointed to a number of situations where it may have occurred. only way this can be proven is to conduct exit polls in results ofompare the the exit polls to the actual results in the machines. way it could be prevented would be to allow some truly arty, who is unbiased and honest, to look at the software before the voting begins. wrote an extensive piece on hill.t the i cite the stanford university study that showed that the were rigged es against bernie sanders in several states. it is a reality. anybody who believes these machines cannot be rigged easily not been rigged easily by the party in power in the is being naive, in my opinion. take a $15 you can

dollar device that you can get at best buy or at radio shack, still exist, and vote diboldpes imes in the machine which is the most united used across the states, without protection, i might add. announcer: "washington journal" continues. joining us now is matt schlapp. of the chairman american conservative union and here to talk about the recent campaign in the trump management and how that will affect the race. . ank you for joining us today guest: great to be with you again. with the s start basics. can you remind our viewers what the american conservative union it does. t guest: it's america's original conservative grass roots group. e were established in december of 1964. 1964 is the seminole political barry goldwater received the republican nomination, the first time in

odern political times a conservative has achieved the , but tion of either party defeat on to spectacular of johnson, that what can we do conservatives together to work together so that we can have success at the ballot box? host: okay. one of the ut on biggest political events of the year. talk a little bit about that. we have lots of projects. we do the nation's leading conservative convention called cpac every year, kind of close to "c-span", cpac. we actually do ratings of every member of congress which and done every decade included every state legislative hamber and every state legislator across the country, so over 8,000 people are rate nd did we've taken our very successful cpac and put it on the road and do battle ground pacs across the country and we're engaged in all types of

policy and political advocacy. we're a group engaged every day of the calendar year. americanare talking to conservative union chair matt schlapp. viewers in on our the conversation. our lines are open for 202-748-8001. democrats 202-748-8000. and independents can call 202-748-8002. you a race, are supporter of donald trump? guest: i am. host: so tell us what you think changes made at the top of his campaign team. guest: you know, i really think t's great news for people who support donald trump, which includes obviously republicans, independents. there's a lot of people in this presidential campaign i think their still making up minds and there's a lot of republicans, believe it or not, as you read about who are still get comfortable with the nominee and i think the changes that have been made at

the ampaign will make messaging and what they hear from the candidate in the campaign much sharper, much clearer, and i think it gives donald trump a really good win this race. host: and a little bit more about those changes as pointed today's washington times which says: a new manager promises to tighten up the trump campaign, talking about the new campaign manager kellyanne conway. trump's new ld campaign manager thursday promises a tighter focus on scripted policy speeches, blowing up the notion shake-up will ign add fuel for the republican nominee's free-wheeling style. also same time they brought on steve bannon from breitbart which is a site that last year y in the has really amped up its attacks on hillary clinton making some this is going at to be a bare-knuckled sort of brawl kind of campaign moving forward. what do you think is the truth

here? tell you me first that kellyanne conway is on the board of the american union.vative she's a friend, i know her well. someone who's a real close ally of the american onservative union and cpac and has been involved in our projects so i know them both very well, and i think most missing the media are the point here. should trump be trump? is it about rallies? not about rallies? i don't think that's what this shake-up is all about. the fact we have less than three months and the candidate looks at one thing to well.e's doing he looks at polls. he's always quoted polls. n the last three weeks, he's quoted a lot less polls because he's looking at them and doesn't reading. he's he's saying look, whatever i'm doing, it's not translating and i need to translate better i really do think i fit the political moment. how do i make voters understand bannon and so what kellyanne are all about, not so

reading about e in articles, it's just about, let's get the message clear, et's figure out the best possible ways to deliver this message. let's be as organized as we ossibly can be, even though presidential campaigns are never all that organized. but let's be as organized as we be.sibly can and if you're a golfer, you'd say let's tee off into the give y, right, and ourselves a chance to win this race. they still have a chance to win this race. the race is ink theirs to lose but they're going cleaner o have a much operation to get there. host: okay. matt schlappg with from the american conservative union and dorothy calling in on line.epublican good morning, dorothy. caller: good morning. would like to give a message to this gentleman. she him to tell hillary 2000,ll these promises in and never did nothing.

first of all, the woman shouldn't be running. now, i know donald trump, and he's a man of his word. supposed to help juliano fix new york. hand.ver lifted a guliano. ped host: okay. let's let matt schlapp respond to that. guest: thank you, dorothy. what dorothy is referring to is the fact that when hillary clinton ran for the some big e made promises about the type of economic activity that would state of new york and the types of jobs she'd be able to create and there's been fact eporting over the that some of those claims fell flat and she didn't really those goals.

i think rudy guliani camp, not the p hillary clinton camp. given all he's got. i thought the appearances and say hes he's made, let's this, he's full-throttled and enthusiastic. of n't know if it's because working with hillary clinton and didn't like her or if it's because he has a personal relationship with donald trump. i like to see him giving it all his all. got newt gingrich, rudy guliani, some of these veterans out there and they're running 28 years oldhey're and i think it's great. host: when you say enthusiasm, i want to point to another headline from yesterday where regret, ump expressed something we don't see him do very often. he said at an event in believe it or not, sometimes in the heat of debate multitudes of issues, you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong

thing. that, and believe it or not, i regret it, i do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. stake said too much is at to focus on that. being ken a lot of heat, called bigoted and all kinds of other things. guest: and all his supporters have too. year. een a rough host: so do you see this as a positive change? years,the last couple of it's theory in presidential olitics that presidents and presidential candidates shouldn't apologize. have you heard hillary clinton really, you know -- a big apology for a mistake on the e-mails? she calls it a mistake. never hear a apology. george w. bush, the theory that you should apologize mistake.ng a i can't think of the last time president obama apologized for a a take and i think that's mistake. we're all people and the fact

that donald trump got off the expressed regret for the fact that his rhetoric has been over the line several times is a great thing for him to have done. i think it humanizes him. i think everyone should do it president and i think hillary clinton should have done it on her e-mail scandal a year ago. she just -- you know it's funny, she said the other day, apparently she came out and told the fbi that it was colin powell ho told her to establish this private e-mail. i've got five kids. time.r this all the she made me do it, daddy. just own up to the fact that you and a catastrophic error bear the consequences and i think what donald trump did the other day by expressing regret great first step. host: we are talking to matt schlapp of the american union.vative you brought up president bush. ou were a former department assistant to the president george w. bush, 43, as well as a past vice president of federal coke company's public sector, llc.

and up next, we have michael on line.mocratic mesatine,lling in from iowa. i'm sure i said that wrong, i apologize. meskatine.'s host: okay, great. going to correct the host. i think she's great. caller: haha, i've got a question. i'm democratic through and through, and i'll vote democratic, even though some of things i'm hearing i don't care for. ut i don't hear a lot coming from the republicans i like either. seem to be centering in on the issues like they used i was younger.en now is they're throwing slap at each other. me, that's not politics. we the people want to hear what these men and women really want to do.

and just because this one agree with that or that one doesn't agree with this one, there's no reason to be, you mean or vicious. ost: all right, michael, let's let matt schlapp. guest: it's a great question. e saw it in the republican primaries where candidates who were speaking on public policy like jeb bush, scott walker, came out of the gate with policy. of finders of and they were looking for a candidate who would be able to checks on the public policy that they wanted, but they were actually looking and ome personality traits donald trump came at the exact moment that benefitted what he and that's this eadership, bold, strong, virtuant leadership and i think one of the reasons why this campaign -- and i agree caller.ly with the it's really not been that issue-based. personality-driven. and it really comes down to do you like the way washington is

change do you want to it? this is a question of -- it's almost like the status quo is on the ballot. is going to linton represent washington in the status quo. away from it. she and her husband have been here way too long in order to donald from are it and trump represents that change. now, to a lot of people, that change is scary and there are times when even he knows he has not portrayed the change he wants to bring in the right way. i can understand why those people would be frustrated. thinks thaterybody change is the top of the trump campaign is necessary. one tweeted, the campaign has hospice phase. he knows he's dying and wants to surround himself with his loved ones. guest: he's a bright guy.

he would be the last person to say anything. , donaldrump's mind trump will be able to be that loose because he is going to put his buddies and charge. succeeded inhas every professional venture. he has been wildly successful whether it is in the world of ,inance or hollywood or digital he is a very bright guy. he is a doer and a big thinker. if he succeeds -- he has not been brought into this campaign to look like the breitbart new skies -- news guy. he needs his help in the last three months, the camp and the

-- i campaign sharpens this message and stays on the campaign. this is more about management and less about breitbart or the way that journalism is. -- hasreitbart has then been considered by democrat to peddling conspiracies theories. guest: i'm just trying to explain that steve banta was not picked for this job because of breitbart, nor was he it because he was a successful investment banker. donald trump knows him and likes him and trust him and he is a talented person. centurystands 21st messaging and digital communication. modernizegn has to quickly if they are going to win this race. from gavin is calling in

illinois, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. -- thank youto see for all you do for mr. trump's campaign. i would like to see the donald trump campaign turn up the advertisement on the airways and on television in the swing states especially. and reinforce his message. , with all theess negative feedback that we get from the press every day, we have to turn up the heat. ,e have to get our message out and there is a groundswell of support in america for mr. trump , much like the brexit vote, you will see november 8. there is a tremendous amount of support. point,et me and to the

-- add to the point, click hillary clinton has had, do you --nk the trump campaign he won by spending the least in every category. i think one of the reasons he brought in killing and conway is there is a revelation he will not be able to win from going to rallies area -- rallies. everyl have to go on attack that he can. i have watch one of the new ads in the greenroom. i think a lot of trump

supporters -- i don't know it will change their minds. but the campaign can do some of these things that have been waiting for. i also think it will help with people -- that trump doesn't dailyo win, people i hear . in the last three months, donald trump has two remind undecided fixrs that he is trying to washington and this country and stand up to terrorists. and that he needs to court them for the vote. have one of the ads. let's take a look. america, helinton's illegal immigrants convicted of committing crimes get to stay collecting social security. order is open, more of the same butlers.

donald trump's america is secured, terrorist and dangerous criminal skipped out. the borders are secure. our families are safe and change that makes america safer again. what do you think about that? guest: i think it's fabulous that they are starting in on the paid portion of his campaign. , think that message is clear which is exactly what you want in an ad. i'm a conservative, i'm a republican. i can't imagine that hillary clinton could solve any problems. the important part is that at appeals to people who are still undecided. host: joe calling in from new orleans on our democratic line. good morning, joe. statement and a question for you. , when are yous

going to have someone -- and i'm speaking directly to the powers of be at c-span. when are you going to have someone on your program who is going to talk about the message, the real message of hillary clinton? every day, every single day ande is someone on talking spewing stuff about donald trump. the conservative people talk about the media, the biased media. c-span, you are becoming part of the biased media. let me have my question. they talk about donald trump the real, saying what he means and meaning what he says. his campaignchange

message so often, what does he mean? what will we get if he is the president? will he have to have someone to come in and tell him no, down, you cannot say this to the leaders of this country. you have to say that. made -- theecisions final decisions are made by the president. is he going to be able to do that? he doesn't know what the hell he wants to say. forumc-span opened up its , working to get advisors from the clinton camp on as well. available on twitter. i can help you find lots of news

programming. never and all the times i have been on c-span heard anybody biases. on the question of hillary clinton and donald cap and who they are and speaking their minds. hillary clinton had to announce for the presidency and re-announce for the presidency. we have seen a dozen different answers to the e-mail scandal from i didn't have classified information, it was about personal and about my husband. she has had more stories. the whole idea of not being , that is an aspect of the race. i've worked in the white house.

the reason why you have a staff is all theident weaknesses in the strikes. because it is a complicated country and world, you surround yourself with talented people. thing with george bush is he didn't try to bluster you that he knew more than he did. if you ever tried to do that to him, he would let you have it. that's the way a white house should operate. host: we are talking to the american conservative union about did donald trump campaign. getave a lot of calls to to. but i want to get your thoughts about what the trump campaign announced yesterday, both donald trump in my pants will be going , athe baton rouge area

terrible situation down there. for the louisiana governor is that donald trump was welcomed, but not for a photo op. consider volunteering or making a sizable donation to the flood relief fund to help victims. fa repulses statement from the governor. it seems like republicans can't win when there is a tragedy. george bush was destroyed by this type of coverage. fairness, when you have a natural disaster like that, there is nothing you can do that is right.

you have president obama who is , to stop playing golf. every time he would tee off they would do a split screen, george the is playing golf why world was on fire. is is an opportunity for donald trump to be there -- now we have a republican running for president in there saying you can't come for follow-up? why do ever want these people to come. you want them to come a cousin or try to demonstrate that these people have had their life -- lives destroyed. it would be great if hillary went there, too. they should use it to demonstrate that compassion for people who are in pain. one of the jobs of the president is a fact. it is part of the job. trump'spart of donald

hope. he cares about people across the country. next we have hand calling in from detroit. good morning. trump, you can't put lipstick on a pig and call it a pig? donald trump said he regrets saying some of the things but he gave us no specifics. is he going to come out and apologize giving that statement you wrote for him. it doesn't mean anything. i'm so nervous. who needseed anybody a babysitter with them to tell them what he needs to say. and tell thetrump

truth of what he is a ready been doing. host: let's get your reaction. shakeup has tois do with --? saying i want since experience hands around the while i travel, and i want some experience people running my campaign. this is go time. there is no more time to have weeks where they are off message. and on this question about whether or not we should now go realizes hehink he has made mistakes. adult about it. i think that is great. i would like to hear hillary clinton come out and have a full apology on the disgrace of her e-mail situation, that she compromised to national security.

i think that is a terrible thing. until she owns it, we will be talking about this. if she wins the race i make a that she will have a special prosecutor within a year. there are too many scandals between the e-mails and the clinton foundation that we are still uncovering and finding out about. she should have said it was a mistake to ever use the foundation. i think it would go a long way in fixing her problems. she won't do it because she doesn't play the game that way. westfield, indiana on the republican line. guest: thank you. thank you for c-span. old, and i'm

caught from indiana. can you army? host: yes. go ahead. caller: this guy is a republican , he talks to a lot of people in the republican party and i talked to the senator's office. brought donald trump, and it could be quite much better. you can look into his own history and the way he is going. he has cheated a lot of people. he bankrupted companies. he wants to hire mexicans at low prices. he is a nice man. but these kinds of honest people have ruined the current and future life of americans. let me give you a simple example

how it is working in america. my son is smart, the majority's of doctors in the same category. in 76 years of my life, less 40 in america i use three or four prescriptions area -- prescriptions. give matt a chance to respond. trump is aink donald true outsider. he's had ups and downs in his life. he's been married a couple of times, he's not proud of that either. i think there is a proud of this that is appealing to voters. we have already about his life.

up orsn't try to cover it walk away from it. is ais what he is it, he 70-year-old guy that has had a great experience. lived these last seven and a half years with obama policies. is that because he has brilliant lyrical timing? -- political timing? they think the problems are so serious that they don't want a typical politician. it comes down to hillary clinton that she will represent washington. her husband was president, she was a senator, she walked -- represents the u.s.. it's a fascinating thing to

watch. i think it's good for the country to face his question about how it wants to go forward. a different page of today's new york times. trump declined to see a threat to gop control. guest: i have been looking at a lot of these polls and races. republicans will hold onto the majority of the house. that theye districts have to hold to keep the majority are republican districts. were not seeing any problems in those districts.

for the senate, i think people feel very good about that. rob portman, etc.. andou look at the diagrams see in the senate, i see people doing much better today than they did he year ago. ofery high percentage republicans will go back to the senate. understand a very unique political phenomenon, people who are running as political down ticket is easily explained that they have their own ideas. a conversation with and from upper marlboro. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call.

it is a country-western song that i hope this gentleman will listen to. thank out for on answered prayers. i think this country would thank god if trump loses. he is cozy with the russians, and he is cozy with people who are cozy with the russians. we have to get rid of the entire -- worseit's worth than the communist party. maybe in next four usual get a republican. maybe i will even vote republican. but at this point this man is not good for the country. he lies, and you people laugh about it. it's not funny. he doesn't have any

responsibility for his words, and the republican party thinks it's funny. host: let's let mac respond. credit thate you you have a hard time making a case for on the state. the one thing that every pollster -- is about 70% of americans are honest or trustworthy. have 30 years of these clinton scandals. they really never came clean about what happened in any of the scandals. we only found out about the will, it was the benghazi investigation that found out about the server. then she said she had approval to have the server. well there was nothing classified on these e-mails.

i will have my lawyers read each one of them, which was not true. everything she said on this e-mail scandal has turned out not to be true. hece komi was told that could not pursue an investigation against terror. -- against her. tenants against her defensed is people don't find are honest or trustworthy. down, the fact is anyone who goes out there and says we will need hillary clinton she is honest and trustworthy will not work. host: there are still many republicans who consider her another trump. how does donald trump make the pitch to them let alone the undecided and independence? guest: when an outsider who runs

for president, there is consternation within republican circles. they chafe at this. my advice to donald trump would be respective to them. as them for several and asked them to hear him out. there are more republicans who are unsure of donald trump. they have negative impressions and positive impressions, but they are undecided. virginia is an important state in this campaign. in the end you have to be 60% for trial. do you think he will do a better the nation's problems, or will she do a better job. most conservative republicans and right wing independence at the end of the day will go with trump on that question. doug calling in from the

open, florida on the democratic line. caller: good morning. donald trump has hired an individual who is a race is. trump is losing. that's why he is out there reaching out to african-americans. win. not going to he is a liar, a con man and he doesn't know anything about government policy. out: one moment to point one point that was made in today's washington post saying andrew breitbart once --, brilliantin

filmmaker that became one of hitler's most successive -- successful propagandist. -- but youat dan and how didot of people -- that trump campaign deal with that? ofst: steve van is a friend mine and a bright guy. he is a good person. he is a creative person who has his point of view, is courageous in expressing it. we have a first amendment in this country. we can do it newspapers and online. bannon has ---- understands the importance of the visual image.

andis courageous,// unabashed, kind of like donald trump. i am not always comfortable talking about race in politics. i tend to shy away from it. that's what they do in certain parts of this country. he is willing to talk about these things. some of these people that don't like donald trump, they express it. they hurl so many insults at donald trump. and then they talk about donald trump doing the same thing. some of these never trump people, i can't believe they is bringing out a lot of raw emotion in this country. leo calling in from san

diego on a republican line. good morning, leo. caller: good morning. mad at a good woman. your family is what is right with america. i just want to say. it's not always beautiful. host: caller: i want to ramble for moment. question and i will give it to you first. i want to know how donald trump will help to fix the health care law? i need you to be fast. caller: hillary clinton was in 1972 interview back by a person who said, what party

do affiliate yourself with? part of thesaid i'm communist party. she said that. i heard it. withdly, she is aligned george soros. host: i'll let matt addresses. we know in the white she -- how will he solve obamacare, he will repeal it. is creating a competitive marketplace for health care. is we hadm in america people who were uninsured. what we do to sell the crisis of people being uninsured is we have damaged our health care system. we havedoctors exiting,

two problems. , nowh insurance problem starring to have national healthcare problem. my comes to health insurance, you have to create these competitive marketplaces again. pays $500 onamily their premiums every year for obamacare. my family pays thousands of dollars more. i read in these headlines that this is happening all over the country. it has made health care worse. , it neverfailure received the majority of americans rupee the -- or saving it. donald trump will say what do we have to do to make it right again? roger ailes, one of donald trump's friends -- guest: i know he has been formal

advisor, he is a friend. i think campaign is saying that's not right. i think he advises him and their friends. create as that problem? guest: if there are charges. there is good and bad and it is fair for people to assess question. getting -- has been getting involved in presidential campaigns since richard nixon. if some of that is an donald trump seer, that's a very positive thing. lightjust a few seconds event -- left. and from our independent line. caller: lifelong democrat voted for trial.

deportation, his stand just don't let them in. --ope guest: you are not the first am a crowd to tell me that. democrat last night who is voting for donald trump. there is a huge crossover of democrats for trial. -- voting for donald trump. donald trump is saying ace on

one thing, i think people need to go home. can make come here who america better and make our economy stronger. americanirman of the conservative union, thank you for joining us this morning. coming up we will talk to two researchers from the think tank .o talk about their report we'll be right back. coming up this week and on c-span3, as the national park service prepares to mark its 100 anniversary we will take a look at health worst -- california's

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to discuss the new report on public education and dropout rates. thank you for joining us. about third way and the goal of the organization. guest: we are a think tank and have been around for 10 years. we want to provide a voice for americans in the middle, which is not so present in this town, and to help figure out how washington can prepare americans for the new economy. do you want to many public policies or dropout factors question mark why you took a look at the dropout rate and why this is a more important issue than college classes? guest: the reason we want to jump into this report is because

all of the conversations that you are showing about college, about candidates in the field or the media is about cost. we also have this important conversation which was sort of to look at the quality of these institutions, and are they providing value to students. we have special lines for current college students to a 2-748-8000, and 8001college students 742, and if your professor or to a 2-748-8002. what did you find specifically in terms of dropout rates at a public university? that: we were -- we found

at the average institution, students have a one eye and -- growing --hance of graduated. for in 10 of them don't have that degree. to in 10 are not able to repay their loans, twice the rate that we saw during the mortgage crisis. we are talking about bad outcomes that we rely on to create mobility machine for many of the low income americans. host: your for to it as a drop out factor. dropoutstrading up

we get it'sk guest: a little bit of a shocking turn. is that we have spent the last year working a lot and when we were just looked at our nation's high schools if the high school is graduating less than two thirds of the students, it is like a dropout factory. the state or district has to intervene and put in a support plan and try to raise the standards. when we tried to put that same bar to our public college and universities, looking at how many of these people are graduating students, we found only 80 colleges in the country raising the bar. we want to make the comparison because right now there is no set of comparable in the united

states. we see schools that are thatating there is nothing is accountable right now. weise still are allowing students -- host: that report in the san diego union, some of the overall findings. one point that i think a lot of

people who want to public universities, some of my classmates would go and maybe something would happen in their family. does this data reflect people like that who leave public universities and go back and get their degree? guest: the data we have is the best several data we have ever had. the obama administration released a scorecard where parents and students and families can look at the data, and they could understand where they can get the best bang for the buck. it doesn't count students who are part-time, there's a lot that we don't know. but we do know that on these transfer students only about one quarter get a four-year degree from anywhere.

that will not add hugely to the number of graduate rates. but ita isn't perfect, is what we have right now. we thought the differentiation in the data, some are doing thatmely well, schools --e a high percentage each of lower and moderate income students. there were graduating 70 or 80% of students. , lower than ang 20% graduation rate. there are limitations to debate. when you are comparing apples to apples, there is it still a difference of quality in many institutions. we are talking about the new report on public university dropout rates. illinois, yourom

are parents of a college student. caller: parent of two college students. i have observed there is a significant increase in the cost of sending kids to school and a reduction in accountability. i have relatives who are sending their children to school. it seems like schools are not only not ensuring that our students are graduating, but they are also appears they are flunking them in their classes to get them to redo classes, and not doing their part in ensuring mastery of skill. but in public schools every single year public schools are measured in their results and published in the paper. they are held to some degree of accountability. i think i heard you on public

radio yesterday with a report. i think you need to go further and make sure that this on anation is publicize annual basis in terms of the cost of college, in terms of their cost and their graduation rates so we can start holding them to a higher degree of accountability. thank you for your question. we couldn't agree more with the to get this information out there publicly. i think the department of education is a step in the right direction. this is information that was released for the first time back in september. they are trying to source lots of effort nation at we know about colleges. and really putting it in a

consumer from a format. our website and get information for all types of information and not just public universities. host: for lee, new jersey. you are a student. what are question? caller: i started college in 1997, and i have been in their 25 years. i have studied calculus, pre-calculus, statistics. i wanted to learn more about .omputer work or technical work they couldn't place they went i went for job interview. it's a horrible situation. what can you do to help people to get jobs out of college? i have been paying for it out of

my own pocket. i don't understand it. that allowingk the data to be more accessible will make institutions more responsive to the job market. if people for the first time, can understand what the people that graduate and don't graduate, the causes -- the colleges will have to respond to that. people will not want to attend their school. we are hopeful that the transparency that we are focusing on creating can take a making the direction of sure that higher education is preparing people for the economy we have today. many ofsee to that is these private colleges, but some of the colleges generate are resistant to the idea of giving this data out. law that werrier in

wenot create a student -- contract the part-time students. folks are limitations afraid of what might happen if you could compare institutions in that way. i think that's where we hope congress will address these issues in the next higher education debate, which should be coming next year. there's a statistic that says a shocking 85% of four-year colleges and universities can be considered dropout factories. if they are held to the same standards as the nation's health -- high schools. mentioned, now it is , we havehe new law some sort of center for accountability systems that states design of state we have to look at the number of

graduates, we have to look at something -- our test scores. we have to measure these schools and put in place some sort of accountability and the support plan. does not exist in higher education. even though we have a lot of goals that are not graduating , there are also some schools that are doing a really good job. is figure outo do to re-scale up those efforts and make sure the other institutions and support the resources they need. guest: we have seen people feel that if a high school student drops out, it is the fault of the school of the -- or the teacher.

seems there is a line that we all of a sudden it isn't terribly students fall. when you see graduation rates in the single digits, you cannot blame all of that on them. from next is richard, florida. good morning, richard. caller: good morning. i am concerned about the fact legislature has got to two thirdserned republican, and they have taken funding from the public schools so much to be able to spend money on prisons. the other thing that really you are is that if super rich person you can declare bankruptcy six or eight times like donald trump has done

but if you are student that is struggling, you're stuck. you cannot declare bankruptcy. it doesn't make sense to make. i would like to know what your opinion is on that. investment issue is a huge piece of this conversation. it will have to be a part of the conversation at the federal level because the question is, how can the federal government leverages huge spending on --her education to make sure and that is a disco -- difficult thing to do. in some of the states we saw public -- institutions were outperforming the private ones. how to incorporate that conversation will be a huge piece of power. terms of the bankruptcy issue i

know we are starting to put very small measures in place for students who are going to a , some of these for-profits. the obama administration is working on rules to protect the students who get into that situation. broader set of students who are not getting the things they were promised from the colleges. i think a lot of the conversation we are having about there arerisis is students who have 100,000 or $200,000 in debt to a lot of times those are doctors and lawyers who will be ok. mosthe students who are likely to get that are the ones who have $10,000 or less. verythat tells us is that

often the students that are not completing have taken out student loans to go to school and are no better off in terms of them not having a degree, and having to pay them back. we can't just have this conversation about cost and a lot of the loans conversation in a vacuum, but we have to factor andome of these measures helping students to get a degree. host: one of the issues the report looks at is looking at what people make as -- after they leave school. not makingts are more than a high school graduate sick shoes after enrollment. what does that mean? considering what their wages will be once they graduate and consider other options? guest: we want to make it clear the we still think that

economic data shows that going to college is important. in terms of adding able to have a better understanding of how well students are faring after ,hey have gone to these schools is that school providing them the skills they need to access the jobs in this modern economy. i think, it is more about toating this market response selecting a school, where as in the past when i went to school, i care a lot about that school. i wasn't really thinking that much ahead about how well our students faring in the real world. it's because there are real concerns and that this is an important piece of the conversation. the data is a good step in doing that. -- we have states seen there is a lot of variation in different programs within

institution. that is something we cannot look at on a national level red right now you might make a very different wage. to know thata way right now at the federal level. host: we are talking about a report on public institutions. loretta, saint augustine, texas. good morning. caller: i taught 20 years in high school. and 20 years at college and university level. i taught in three states and five foreign countries. at the university level. what amazes me about the

are taking so many remedial classes which led me to believe they were that serious and high school to have to pay for a media classes. when i started a freshman class i/o was as the students, what are you doing here? -- i always asked what are you doing here? studied and you know exactly what you want. this year you are spending for thousand up -- $4000 or $6,000 and many don't have a career in mind. you take the classes because they are required. you have to have a goal. you have to have i four-year plan before you should commit yourself or your parents to spending that much money. guest: sure. we still have a huge amount of an equity and our system. the amount of remediation is not the same across the board.

we have students who go to high school that aren't performing as well and not able to potentially get into that freshman level college class. that's one of the reasons we think we need to look at these outcomes and fund raise on some of these outcomes. is ife do in high schools you have students that are more poverty -- more extreme circumstances, we will give you more money. because we realize you may need more resources. we don't do that at the college level. recognize that some schools are dealing with a more difficult population than others. at the same time we found in the data that students who need the most help are often going to universities that can provide for them, at least.

it is perpetuating inequality. we think we need to do some support for those schools that are dealing with a more difficult population, that need more resources. also, hold them to task for providing the outcomes they need for their students. to send the lower income students to places where they have a nine and 10% chance of dropping off --they would not be better off. host: there are exceptions to the rule that you found. schools that are consistently sending students entree hire rage. what are they doing right? guest: when we look to the

earnings data is we could see those schools have high urgent -- earnings outcomes. they were maritime or technology focused or mining or that type of thing. schoolsd about some even with the same population are just getting better outcomes . the data continues to bear this out. just looking at this we know there are two schools if you were in the chicago area, we know there are two schools that have basically the same population taking and 50% one is getting a graduation rate of 20%. the other is getting a graduation rate closer to 60%. itsee discrepancies when comes to earning data as well.

of -- what thene student -- schools are doing is andtter of resources additional resources going to the are there students getting text messages when the end up enrolling in a course that is not going to be part of their major? little things like that we can see are making a huge difference. host: can you remind our viewers what the pell grant program is? guest: it is the number one federal way that we help low and moderate income students go to college. the average hell family is ll family is about $50,000 every year. to help given a grant them pay for college every year they are in college. that is one of the biggest ways

we try to make college a mobility machine for people who need it the most, but what we are seeing is that federal money is going so much further in some of the schools than in others. host: next we have michelle calling in for minneapolis. you are a parent of a college student? son who isave a going to be an electrician. if you have had an electrician over to your house lately, you know that it pays better than a lot of other jobs. my whole problem with this conversation is that we are talking about college. i think the whole education system is broken. we have kids getting out of high i heard 30% ofp, the population has a college degree. what are we doing with the other 70%? take high need to school, i do not care if you need to add another year, we

need to prepare the kids who want to go into things like my vo-ech kind of things, i can walk into an apprenticeship and in four years if they are making good money and want to take additional college training, that is great. if they are not going to go to college in the first place let them get out of high school prepared to walk into a career. host: let's let them adjust that issue. guest: you are absolutely right, and in d.c. we are doing something with a program called project lead the way which does just that. going into high schools and saying when you get out of high school you have a certification to use to have a career that will pay well. whole world of higher education that we need to talk about in this is just one little piece. i will say the number of jobs

that now require a four-year degree has just exploded over the last 30 years, and i was looking at the data for executive assistance or secretaries. someone did a study that said about 63% now of those job postings require a four-year degree for a secretary. about 17 percent of the secretaries in the current workforce have a four-year degree. we are seeing a massive change in employment so we think it is very important to focus on four-year and two-year and certification, technical programs because there is going to be a lot of focus for employers on that four-year degree. we still need to do important training for advanced manufacturing and other things that is much better done at the technical level. host: next we have paul from danville, virginia. caller: good morning. first off, i am a democrat but i

am dead center, not centerleft or center-right. i am dead center. i have worked at various universities in the past as security and what i have seen firsthand and heard, a lot of the problem is that these colleges and high schools that turned into nothing but indoctrination centers for political correctness. they do not worry about teaching how to do math, science, history, none of that stuff. social behavior and all of this other stuff they are teaching they are not responsible for their own behavior and actions in society. i have seen it. , the morehing is money the government puts into taxpayer, thethe more money these people are getting.

hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, football coaches, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. these commencement speakers, they come in and are getting paid anywhere from $25,000 to one close to $100,000 because he director, you cut all that garbage out and costs will go down. if the kids cannot pass high school they do not belong in college. host: let's let them address that. cannot speak to personally some of the things you are hearing that dish hearing about, i know there are a time of -- hearing about, but i know there are a time of efforts thinking about curriculum and some are around creating a standardized pathway first things you want to go to school and be able to earn a bachelor's degree as quickly as possible, because we know that a

real thing that happens is kids will get into school, not really know what they want to do so they will take some classes in one area and another, and before they realize that, the end of four years or five years commons and they do not have a degree. taking sure they have a better pathway. in terms of spending money at institutions on commencement speakers, there also is a lot of effort right now in sort of making sure that we are focusing more on instruction and teaching and learning at schools. you hear those stories about the universities,e the rockclimbing walls, and this is our conversation saying bring it back to down -- breck to ground. -- back to ground. right that we spend a huge amount of taxpayer dollars supporting higher

education institutions and we found -- spend a very small amount proportionally in our elementary and high schools, and thoseuire so much of elementary and high schools in terms of accountability and improving. in higher ed, it is a blank taxpayerswe think the need to ask for more because that is what is required for our students to be prepared. host: we are talking about the report on public universities or the dropout rates, dropout factories they have become according to the report. college students who are watching can call in on (202) 748-8000, parents, (202) 748-8001, and administrators can also call (202) 748-8002. one of the points the report says is how students tend to be

concentrated at schools with the worst outcome. the lowest completion rates, the fewest pretensions just percent it -- why is that? guest: as i said, in the elementary and high school context we recognize that some students start behind the start line in comparison to others, and they need more help. that is true at the college level his we have not made sure that everyone comes out of high school with the same quality education across this country. we continue to have in equities and that translates into the colleges. the problem is that we rely on colleges in this country as the way for people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. we say go to college and you can have a better life. in fact, one of the shocking things we found is that a lot of the schools that are doing well for those low and moderate income students are taking virtually none of them.

they are admitting levels of pell students that are astounding, 5%, 9%, 15% when again, the median income of the country would be eligible for these grants. we think we need to incentivize the schools that have good outcomes to do better and take more of the students that we know they can succeed with, and we need to support and push to improve the schools that are not doing well because encouraging someone who is taking out a pell grant who is a low income student, to take out a bunch of debt to go to a place where it is more likely they will dropout then graduate, is not a good bet. host: we are talking about the inlege rates of dropout

public colleges and universities, according to a new third way report. we have deb calling in from south dakota. good morning. caller: good morning. host: you are on. caller: i know one person already touched on it, but out here in my area of the midwest plains or the flyover states, our technical universities, two-year programs are doing a way better job than most of the college students. we have people who graduate with four-year degrees that cannot touch the amount of money that is being made by the kids coming out with technical degrees in two years. i personally know people who have graduated college with teaching degrees, as this administration degrees, and stuff that are bartending -- ,usiness administration degrees and they are bartending right now looking for jobs, and people in technical schools were able

to walk into jobs that start at a lot more than people start out. a lot of students are coming out of high school that student is a struggle, and i think this is an underutilized resource. our technical programs are forward thinking in terms of the things that you come out of with your degree in. it is a degree, not just a certification. host: tamara? the reasons we focused on the four-year colleges and this report, we also put out a report earlier this summer for the private nonprofit institutions, because the data we have for the two-year schools is not sufficient and we do not have a robust way to actually track a lot of these great outcomes that we are hearing from people. that is one of the reasons as we mentioned earlier, we want to push towards what is called a

student unit record. we know two-year schools are more likely to have transfer students or part-time students, and they are not counted in the federal data that is available. the other thing to say about that, we know that two-year schools cost less money so what we are really focused on in this report, this is a student -- a lot of the students enrolled in four-year institutions with the hopes of ending with a bachelor degree and the worst-case scenario for them is if they do not finish, they have taken out loans. those schools cost more money and they might end up in default or a worse situation. we completely agree and think there are a lot of great things happening around career and technical education, and making sure students are aware of those programs. for this particular report and the data we have available, we only have good information on four-year schools, and that information is not perfect.

host: you mentioned on cost that one of the findings of the report, bearing between the cost of the education and the mobility metric that you are says thee report average net tuition at a four-year public institution in the top quartile of the mobility $10,176 compared to $10,762 for the four-year public schools in the bottom quartile. why is that? --st: i think it is an edgy indication that our higher education market is completely broken. you could assume that if i am paying more for this it is probably going to be a better product. i was searching for new headphones on amazon and i thought, i'm not going to buy that two dollar headphones because i can assume the $20 headphones are better. that is not the case in college.

we have popped so much federal money in the system and required some little outcome, they have become nonresponsive. the schools with the worst outcomes for students were charging them 600 more dollars a year. in the private colleges, it is worst. they were charging those students $3000 more a year than the highest performing. data at to have more your disposal to be able to understand that. if what you are going on is based on saying, this college is pretty expensive, i must be able to get a good education, that is just not true. host: we have george calling and from out pleasant, south carolina. you have students in college. caller: my last son just got his masters degree. host: congratulations. caller: i have been dealing with

education for the last 45 years. i had my children in private schools and colleges. cost me a fortune. --ent to college in 1970 1969, 1970, in 1971. my college tuition was $57 a quarter. i went to washington state university. doable. i went on the g.i. bill. back to the value you get from college today. the ford foundation did a study in the 1970's and early 80's that stated that fewer than 25% of the jobs in the country require more than a high school education to do. i do not think that has changed a whole lot.

there is a false precedent put on a college degree. they let children take social studies, this, that, basket weaving and the traditional, crazy courses. i believe the kids on wall street should be suing their colleges and the guidance counselors for letting them take , promising them they are going to start with $65,000 a year. that is a joke. host: is there a false narrative about the value of a college degree? aret: i think what we trying to do is figure out what the narrative around with the value out of college looks like. i will say that one of the biggest misconceptions that we hear and that a lot of policymakers have, what does today's student look like, and their own experiences clouding their ability to push this conversation forward.

jealous that you and a pay $57 in tuition lot of lawmakers in congress today also had very similar experiences, which is simply not the reality for most students. i think having a better sense of the fact that, i think 60% of students are not your and go tol, turn 18 sleep away school and graduate in four years. areols are -- students having to juggle a lot and redefine what that value looks like. i think it is an important piece of the conversation in the next higher ed reauthorization. guest: there is no question a college degree makes you better off in our current economy. to make anlikely average of a million dollars more in their lifetime with a college degree. the unemployment rate is about three points lower, and continues to go down as you get a masters and more education.

there is a premium put in our current economy for having those skills. that means nearly all of the jobs that were created in the postrecession boom required a four-year degree. actually, the numbers have to my point about requirements for secretaries, over time. it used to be that about two in 10 would require a college degree and now it is six in 10. employers are looking for that college degree because they think it indicates an ability to work with others, have critical thinking skills, to bring something more to the table. there are jobs out there for college graduates, and what we are seeing the bad outcomes from as folks who start college, take out loans, and do not graduate. there is this perception about the starkness of the change in the cost of college.

i was looking at a new america report this morning that had said since 1996, the out-of-pocket cost for a low income students at one of these public universities has gone up $73 over 20 years. for the next round of students that is higher income, it has gone up $157 a year. numbers might sound big when you do not factor in the grants and loans and all the things we do. the sticker price is not a thing to look at. there is kind of an over blowing of this cost concern. i use myself as an example. i have a huge amount of student loans, but i went to law school and got a degree and i am fine and able to pay back those loans because i have those job opportunities that come with that degree. i do not think policymakers should be focusing on my problems right now, i think they should be focusing on the

folks who are not able to pay back those smaller loans. int: we have ralph calling from washington, d.c. with students in college. caller: my daughter graduated the university of maryland. i have a son who has ambitions for m.i.t.. he goes to a private catholic school right now. the problem is, you talk about the cost of college. my daughter looks back and thanks me she never got involved in those college loans. these kids are getting buried and they need to think about, are they going to be able to get the income to pay off those loans when they get through. i had the g.i. bill, eighth grade education, went -- ended with a masters degree, but i am unusual. most people struggle to make it through high school and struggle to get in. i think the whole point is to get people employed.

now, d.c., where i live the average sat scores are 325. these kids are not prepared for college. one of the ideas i had, a plumber will have a license and he will have 50 trucks with guys who are unqualified working and billing $150 an hour. all they have to do is change the law and say you can only have two helpers and you need to be at the job. we could employ another 50,000 electricians and plumbers. host: let's let them respond to that. guest: i think we have to be more intentional at the high school level in particular, of making sure that students are prepared for whatever school they select. in dce, there is an excellent program happening.

d.c. public school students actually are sitting down with their college advisors in their junior or senior year, and getting to see how well d.c. public school graduates are doing at schools and the washington, d.c. area. they have been able to see that at the same net price, the out-of-pocket cost for them is going to be the same at two institutions, but at one you can see that d.c. public school graduates are graduating at a rate of 63%, and another school and a 9% rate. so now d.c. has done a good job of saying, sorry, to that 9% school, you cannot come to our college fair and we are not going to let students use d.c. money to go on college tours. getting some of those initiatives in at the high school level so that kids are starting to think about what potential track any to be on, is

a big step forward. hopefully more school districts around the country are trying to make those connections. we have james calling in from campton, new hampshire, a professional or -- a professor. caller: thank you for the opportunity. it is a very broad subject but i think many of the children who are entering the schools have to get excellent direction at the , takingool level help.s that will excellent,es are other colleges are essentially -- the attorney should discuss

because of the dropout rates and the money that is being lost -- they are essentially probably candidates for the rico statute. host: i want to let them respond. guest: that is absolutely true, and the kinds of initiatives they are doing in d.c. is one of the ways we can connect those high schools. the other misconception is that the folks who had really bad incomes are only for-profit universities. many of the for-profit universities have extremely bad incomes and are not a good deal for students, but it is also true of some of our nonprofit universities and public institutions. we need to have a broader conversation about these institutions and say, what are they promising and what are they delivering? that is the topic of conversation we hope congress will ask. the vice president of social policy and politics at third way and the education senior policy advisor, thank you

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you? host: i am great. what is on your mind? professoram an engine and a couple of different colleges and universities -- adjunct professor at a couple of different colleges and universities. one of my heroes is ralph waldo emerson. i thought he would be disappointed if he came back to our country today and saw the institutions of higher learning. in the early days of universities, most of them were founded by churches and various religions, and they were all liberal arts. they were humanities, the loss of the, history, english -- philosophy, history, english. nowadays, everybody goes to school to get a job and i understand that when school costs so much, you have to get a decent paying job.

it is cutting out a lot of people that would be social workers or teachers. an education is for critical thinking and right now what is going on in our country and the election season is a good example of people who cannot do critical thinking. host: the economy has also changed. it is more technology driven, require skills that were not necessary in the past. again, manyt, but of my very intelligent friends who are supporting donald trump tell me they are not capable of critical thinking to evaluate what this guy really means when he says something, and what his policies could mean to our country and world. thinking, not just because you focus narrowly on getting a job in engineering or a job in dentistry or whatever. there is a lot of studying going on to the exclusion of critical

thinking, that comes when you take philosophy or read some of the great works in english. host: next we have suzy from washington, d c, on our democrat line. caller: my first statement, bernie sanders should be the candidate for president. he showed a clear concern for students. he was genuine and should have been the candidate. statement, and 2008 the entire economy fell to pieces. at that point, our leadership should have been saying, we have all of these students, let's adjust their rate so they can be taken care of like they took care of the auto industry. the students are the future of the country so i do not understand why we are constantly being taken advantage of by institutions, and the interest rates being consistent and we are constantly building interest, that there are no

opportunities. loansdo you have student and have you seen your interest rates increase? caller: a big increase. i graduated in 2006. in 2008 it went up. it went up again in 2010. but now it is consistent but it is like, how are they doing this they can make adjustments for the auto industry? why not make adjustments for the students? we are trying to make things better but the whole system is fighting against us. host: joining us on the phone is eric garcia, a staff writer at rollcall here to talk about the new donald trump add. good morning. guest: good morning. host: thank you for joining us. we are going to take a look at the ad in just a moment, but tell us a little bit about donald trump and his decision to

launch campaign ads for the first time. this is something they kept on saying, we will run out at the general so this is not really surprising but it is kind of interesting, given the kind of missteps he has had in his recent campaign and the fact he ittrying to do this rehab, is interesting that it is coming on the heels of that. that in and of itself is really kind of interesting. at theet's take a look ad and remind our viewers what will be airing today. america,y clinton's the system stays rigged against americans. syrian refugees flood in. convicted ofrants crimes get to stay in. donald trump's america is secure. terrorists and dangerous

criminals kept out. the borders secure, our families safe. change that makes america safe again. donald trump for president. host: where will these ads run starting today? accounts, it looks like it is going to be running in florida, ohio, north carolina, and pennsylvania. trump is obviously down in ohio and north carolina, he is down in all of these states. the art -- these are states he needs to win. democratic super pac's have said they are going to be pulling out of ohio, ads so these are states that -- the clinton campaign is starting to see they can there.ate host: where some of these ads

will not be running, as pointed out, for all of trumps talk to appealing to pennsylvania's blue-collar whites, no tv ads in scranton, johnstown, or eerie. aren't these important to appeal to if he wants to win? guest: yes, i just saw that tweet. it is interesting that those are places, for all this talk about him being able to appeal to working-class voters, he is not appealing to these blue-collar areas. it is interesting that he is not going for them. he is trying to go for these other sectors. even when he is trying to appeal to pennsylvania. host: it is the third week of august and hillary clinton has been up with ads and a lot of these markets. is it too late in the game for donald trump to jump in, or are voters still not tuned in before

labor day? guest: the thing that people forget is that for a while, i believe john mccain was leading sarah palin after the conventions -- they were leading barack obama after the conventions and it was not until the financial crisis that obama skilled his victory. debates where the thing that really changed the bush-dukakis race in 1988, so it is not too late. all these things need to come with a coordinated effort. bethe question is, will this part of a larger effort or is this just isolated? question, compare donald trump starting out on the issue of immigration, compare this to some of the messaging we have seen from hillary clinton in her ads. guest: the latest ad that she did was i believe her talking

about donald trump's tax receipts. she is really focusing on donald trump himself, saying he is not ready to be president, does not understand national security, is hiding something in his tax returns. is focusing on illegal immigration, securing the border, ending refugees. he talks about voter fraud. he said it is going to be played in north carolina. they just saw their voter id law blocked. he is trying to appeal to white voters in north carolina who are afraid of voter fraud even though most voter fraud happens through mail ballots. he is trying to play to those fears. garcia, staff writer for rollcall, thank you for joining us. guest: thank you very much. callswe are taking your about the headlines of the day,

including the news that the clintons will scale back their donations through the clinton foundation if hillary clinton is to win, according to the wall street journal. bill clinton and his daughter chelsea plan to stop raising money for the clinton foundation and turnover operations to independent parties if hillary clinton is elected. they also plan to discontinue after this year one of the foundation's signature events, the clinton global initiative according to what mr. clinton sent this week. the clinton foundation wall no longer accept foreign and corporate donations if clinton is elected. one of the many headlines we are talking to you about today. gregory from great town, ohio calling on our independent line. caller: i wanted to make a comment about the previous program that you had about education concerning college students. ohio, allre i live in

the universities and public statees as well as the colleges, vocational. when you consider not only ohio but all the other 50 states, and the number of people attending, you have to wonder where will all of these jobs come from where these people will be able to start employment? i feel like our manufacturing base needs to be brought back to america like it was in the 1950's and 1960's, as these opportunities in manufacturing provide more doors of opportunity for our engineers, for our architects, designers. it seems like we are turning into more of a service type economy, a bunch of telemarketers more so than

having all these other opportunities for our college student. where is all of the jobs going to come from that will employ all of these college students? host: on that issue of manufacturing jobs, have you liked what you have heard this election year from the presidential candidates? guest: i like what trump has been saying because i feel like him being a businessman, he knows how to be successful in business. he has been there before, knows what it takes. if any other president has had an opportunity to accomplish some things, why not give him an opportunity? he could not be any worse. aost: up next we have nodi calling in from washington, d.c. on our democrat line. what is on your mind? caller: i am calling because i have concerns regarding education.

york, up in upstate new went to a high school that had the program so you could graduate with a trade. i moved to washington, d c to attend howard. i graduated with $100,000 in student loans. difficulty to find a job, however i landed a good job. i am paying it. but with me for the future generation, i am willing to pay more taxes to make sure that students who are coming out now will not end up in the same position. who have their masters degree in criminal justice and other things that they cannot find a job. i was lucky enough to do school

counseling, not working as a school counselor now however working as a mental health therapist. host: what would you like to see about the education change in order to help students coming out now, what specifically? caller: i want to make sure they come out with less debt. they need to be able to come out not worrying about their student , not worrying about if they will find a job. i want the schools to start a sickly preparing students -- basically preparing students. when you come out, it is a struggle. you work hard and you may not find a job right away, yet working is important. i think schools need to start telling their students that, teach them. host: up next we have stephen from boston on our democratic line. good morning. caller: i am a little concerned

about the education issue as well. i live in a very educated area. everyone i know has a college degree, and my first job out of college, i have a degree in biochemistry, i first job did require a, truly college degree even though it stated that it did. anybody could have done my job. a high school student could have done my job. host: what was your job? caller: i worked at a lab and my role was very simple. could have traded a high school student to do it but it required a college degree. what is going to happen when everyone has a college degree, is the entry-level level job going to require a masters degree? are we going to start our careers at 30? next we have jim calling from honolulu on our

independent line. good very early morning. caller: yes, it is very early. a low half. -- aloha. there is zero coverage of the fact that north korea, according to the latest intelligence reports, they could be three weeks away from a missile delivery system and a miniaturized nuclear warhead that could reach my state and alaska. i am watching this coverage about the swimmers lying, and all along for the last seven years what we have heard from the obama administration and hillary clinton that the north koreans will never acquired this capability. they are never going to do it on threetch, and here we are weeks away from it, and as people sitting in hawaii in three weeks.

we have this real crazy guy running that north korean country, and he does not have to hit hawaii. all he has to do is make one of these missiles explode in outer toce in proximity to hawaii wipe out our complete electric grid, and nobody is talking about it. satisfied with how much the candidates, presidential candidates particularly are talking about this issue? security, iar as was a bernie supporter. there is a gentleman by the name of jim webb that was running against hillary in the primaries , he was a war hero, and his quote, he would never vote for hillary because she could never be commander in chief. that is from jim webb, and i go along with that.

i was a bernie supporter early on. we are all leaning toward trump now. nobody is keeping us safe anymore and i think trump will do that. next we have ray from fort myers, florida on our republican mine. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i called in to comment about the so-called journalists that you had on, mr. garcia. when they get on why don't they become journalists? he gets on and talks about donald trump this and donald trump that. trump made three very important speeches this week that centered on the issues. this guy gets on and starts talking about all of these sort of things that really are not the important things right now. we understand trump has made -- he even said last night that he has made some mistakes.

he has regretted those mistakes. country believes in our and is the gentleman from hawaii said, he wants to make america safe again. host: you are talking about the remarks he has made this week. tell us what you think about his .ost recent remarks he made a couple of policy speeches. what are your thoughts? caller: my thoughts are that he is trying to focus his campaign on the issues. ordid have to run against 16 17 pretty important people, pretty established people, and beat them pretty soundly so he did have to go through some difficult times. game.cs is not an easy you have got to use your sharp elbow sometimes and i think he did that. he is going against hillary clinton, it is a whole different thing. and ia general election

think he has to have a broader view of things, and i think that is happening. my major comment, i just did not care for that gentleman's so-called objective journalism. host: up next we have marilyn from ashland, kentucky on our republican line. mary, did i say mary? caller: hello, how are you? host: i am great. what is on your mind? caller: i wanted to talk about two things, one is the education process. i have two college degrees. in my old age i have ended up falling back on my skills as a baker. what i want to say is about donald trump, i have followed his business. i have a business degree. he is a good businessman. some of the things he said are

very good, and i have followed some of his business practices. thick and thin, i am still in my house 27 years. two divorces and all the other things. thing is about schooling. i think we need to get into more trades, train more people in trades and build more infrastructure because our infrastructure is falling apart. i think college has become too expensive. ahave two children, one is cancer pharmacist and my other son is in med school. truthfully, some of the girls i have worked with have gone to college. college is too expensive.

we do need to concentrate on developing people that, electricians, carpenters, things that people that can do other things besides work in a lab and get a job doing something other than answering a telephone. center.a call host: all right. that was mary calling in from kentucky. next we have kermit from richmond, virginia on our independent line. listening to the ladies begin about the infrastructure in the united states. did what theyd were supposed to do when obama asked them, he needed infrastructure for the whole country, that means that you wouldn't had a lot of companies here across the country -- what have had a lot of countries --

companies across the country putting millions and millions of people to work. you have a republican party that refuses to do that because it was the right thing to do. because a racist party when trump made a statement last night about making america great back in the 1700s, we were slaves. white folks invested money in slavery. people need to know the history when trump speaks about things like that. that is racism. white folks ought to realize that is what it is, it is racism. man that islowing a practicing racism and its highest level in this country. america has always been a great country. what he is saying, he wants to make it greater.

what that means to me is that he wants to turn back the civil rights act. he wants to turn around the supreme court. he wants to turn around the voting rights act. replace it, because that was the republican party that put in all of these restrictions in these nine states about voting rights. that tells me if you are a republican and you are practicing something like that, that tells me you are a very racist party. loris fromwe have to post falls, -- dolores from post falls, iowa. caller: i have a statement on the economy for donald trump. he is always putting down companies that take the companies out of the united bring their goods back into the united states.

he says he is going to put a tariff on it and stop it. donald trump is the biggest offender in all this. he has companies in china, in japan, in korea, in philippines, in india, in russia, in mexico. he has companies i do not even know all the companies. he does not pay his own taxes that should support this great country that we live in. he does not pay a dime that makes money off of people, cheap off their back, brings them back and charges exorbitant prices. and then his daughter, she has a dresses,line, shoes, not one company in the united states. she made $100 million last year

off of the backs of people who she pays very minimum wage, and brings her wares back to sell in the united states. she does not pay any taxes to support this great country she lives in. i do not understand. this needs to be out there. he is a hypocrite. he is a sociopathic liar. as far as him saying, i regret what i said, he read that off of somebody else's speech to tell him what to say. host: we have norma calling in from harrisburg, kentucky on our republican line. what is on your mind? caller: i was calling in. i think trump would make one of the best and greatest presidents we have ever had. me and my whole family are going to vote for him. host: what turned the tide in favor of mr. trump for you?

toler: i have listened several of his speeches, and i study people's face when they are talking. you can see the honesty and his eyes. he does not have the evil and devil look like hillary has. he will be the greatest president we have ever had. host: darryl calling in from houston on our democratic line. what is on your mind? caller: i wanted to talk about term limits for a second. mayorwondering why the and different localities have term limits but not congress and senate or judges. i think once they get in power, they are easily corruptible and 10 years is long enough. that is all i have to say. today,n our headlines among the many headlines today in the washington times, talks

about the administration yesterday of the state department saying that the $400 million payment to iran was used as leverage for the release of u.s. hostages. that took place earlier this year. the link between the payment meant to settle any iranian claim dating back to the 1970's ,ver a blocked arms purchase and iran's decision to release the four americans including washington post bureau chief jason rezaian, has become increasingly controversial in recent days. mr. obama and his top aides found themselves under fire for what critics say was a break with the long-standing u.s. practice of not negotiating with terrorists or terrorist sponsoring regimes for hostages. they said it was not a ransom but timed in order to maximize

leverage for releasing those americans. up next we have ray calling in from inglewood, california on our independent line. to calli was just about about the gentleman who called in earlier to say that the republican party is racist. i find that incredible. this man obviously does not know anything about history. the democratic party is the party that formed the southern confederation. they were all democrats. nothing really changed as far as i'm concerned. i will just and on this point. a famous lady named mae west said if you have to choose between two evils, sometimes it is best to choose the evil you do not know. with trump, i think he is the lesser of the two evils. he gave a speech tuesday night when he called out the black

community. he said, you have been supporting this party for all of these years and what do you have to show for it? malcolm x. gave a speech back in the 1960's called the chump speech. have you heard of it? host: can you summarize it? 1963r: he gave a speech in where he basically called out the black community and black leadership. you vote for this party, they made all these promises, and nobody delivers. anybody who does that is a chump. topamax -- malcolm x. advice have dissenting about something, you are not welcome. host: next we have jerry calling

in from to vernier, florida. you are calling on the republican line. caller: good morning. my concern is the education. i have four children, three sons ,nd one daughter, and education sending people to college. they cannot all be doctors and einstein's. we need the trade schools. i have been retired twice as long as i have worked. we need air-conditioning people, plumbing people. they do not ship them overseas. these jobs do not go overseas so these are people we need. you started $40 an hour as an apprentice carpenter. let the employees do the training, no big school, no big union. have theirloyees wages.

we need administrative assistants. ,t is going to be a long time that we are going to do away with it. air-conditioning is changing. i know it has changed a lot since i started in air-conditioning. it is all chips now, but it has got to be learned. so my comment is everybody is not cut out -- me, i am included -- not cut out to go to college. have a good day and thank you for c-span. william from raleigh, north carolina on our democrat line. caller: good morning. i had this problem with these folks who keep talking about this money that we gave iran as ransom for hostages. when you have somebody's money and keep it over 25 years, which

is supposed to be in an interest-bearing account, and you give them back the $400 million original without paying them the interest on their money, which we were in the hague court that they were asking and you give them their money back, and you call that ransom? you know, i am not experiencing kidnapping, but i always thought when you kidnapped somebody for ransom, you got the money before you got the people back. we got the people back and then we gave them back their own money, so how is that a ransom? host: the fact that it took place on the same day does not concern you? caller: no, it does not concern me. i am giving you back your money. how is that ransom? that is your money i gave you back. i did