you give them back the $400 million original without paying them the interest on their money, which we were in the hague court that they were asking and you give them their money back, and you call that ransom? you know, i am not experiencing kidnapping, but i always thought when you kidnapped somebody for ransom, you got the money before you got the people back. we got the people back and then we gave them back their own money, so how is that a ransom? host: the fact that it took place on the same day does not concern you? caller: no, it does not concern me. i am giving you back your money. how is that ransom? that is your money i gave you back. i did not give you back any of

my money. i gave you back your money. host: up next we have rose calling in from pennsylvania on the republican line. good morning, rose. caller: hi, good morning. my name is rose connor and i am a republican and i am an african american. and i would like to say to the democratic party, let my people go! thank you. host: ok, we are taking open lines for our viewers. we have a few more minutes if you wanted to call-in. republicans, 202-748-8003. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. next we have sue. caller: thank you for taking my call and for c-span. i am a university professor and i make i agree with the comment

about the critical shaking for education, not only yet the college level, but even at high school, we need more critical thinkers and people who are not basing their opinion on facial expressions, and things like false reports about the candidates. notary clinton and obama do -- they work tirelessly to try to protect our country from north korea with that crazy guy there. people need to look at trump's at. d. what does he say? he is going to build a wall and clinton mexico is going to pay for it. host: ok, that is all that we have today. thank you for joining us for "washington journal." 7:00ll be back tomorrow at a.m.

now we will take you to live coverage on the istanbul terrorist attack. staged attacks killing more than 180 people. thomas kemper, our speaker today, has become transformative for him personally. his moments with other survivors of the attack are people of many cultures and has brought renewed determination to connect with people of all nationalities and examine what it means to be understanding and to care about strangers who want to feel safe and want to live their own lives. this moment of transformation and a 2% of importance of the dedication he brings to his mission, he will be discussing this morning. just a few proceduralfour i turned the floor over to mr. kemper, please remember to turn your cell phone to mute.

kemper has completed his remarks, i will open the floor to questions. priority will go to media national press club members. when you are called to pose a question, these identify yourself an organization. mr. kemper? kemper: good morning and thank you for this opportunity to speak to you. i am grateful for the journalists. the experience in a stumble has changed my -- the experience in istanbul has changed my perspective of journalists. something to express that i felt as a person of religious and faith. it is exciting to be here. i was there on a layover. there is nothing more dramatic to it.

i was there because i had a layover on the way to japan, and i had chosen to fly a turkish airline that had brought me. that was the reason i was there. a lot, youaveling can see on the map, global ministries is the mission and development and disaster response of united methodist church. we have projects in 125 countries and over 350 missions. at airportsd being is part of my daily life. understands ases a carry network and a network of global health, global mission connections around the world. to give you some highlights of our work, very briefly so you understand the context of where i come from, here this is a .icture from the region of iraq

we were to supply food and give to two displaced people in iraq from iraq war. this work is being done together muslime international partnership of the international red cross based in turkey. another example of our work is in bangladesh. here you see the first result for recovery work of the cyclone mayor. these children are now able to go back to school on this path that was constructed. so you see there is a partnership with other faith organizations, especially in countries where it would be more difficult as a christian organization to be present and be in solidarity, especially after disasters. one big initiative of united methodist church in the last year was what we call -- a campaign to raise funds.

we have raised $69 million for fighting deaths from malaria around the world. what is important for us is that we are not doing this alone. we have partnered with a global fund in geneva to fight malaria. -- $28 million of the funds we have pledged have been given to the global fund. we cannot do this alone. if we are not connected, we cannot build partnerships and it is not working. we were blessed to have the u.n. foundation and bill gates foundation to give us a start up for this campaign. so far from our side, we have forcted 4.1 6 million lives net distribution, training of midwives, community health workers, especially in africa. and we are now moving this campaign into the next step

where we hope to reach one million children with life-saving interventions. as part of a worldwide campaign, the u.n. calls it "every woman, every child," reducing every child mortality. this is part of the sustainable development goal. to do our part in this effort. we hope to reach one million children with life-saving interventions, remote breast-feeding, promote -- promote breast-feeding and prevent childhood diseases. be an organization that helps someone else, we recognize the health challenges and issues here, right here in the united states. as part of the campaign, we are challenging our churches that we find churches in the next four years that sign-up and are ready to engage in some health-related

work as a in their community, and their neighborhood where the church is situated. activity,e a physical nutrition, drug-free living, or issues around mental health, education, and mental health promotion. i want to look at this one number here about obesity. it has risen two times and children and four times in adolescence in united states in the last 30 years. so we have serious health issues also in this country, especially for children and young people. work, weart of our have missionaries, and i wanted to be very clear, these missionaries may look very different of what traditional people -- of what traditional missionaries people think they are. the majority are from the united states. we have a program in the commonwealth with our united methodist church where we have

an aviation ministry. several planes, small cessna planes, which could reach any part of the congo and fly supplies. they do vacation missions and are an essential part. they are maintained by the missionaries of global ministries. back to this fateful day in june in istanbul. as i said, i was on a layover. it -- i was just there to restiveness airport, and here you see the lounge. this was a picture i had taken after everyone had left. the lounge is a place of safety. you go there and you feel much calmer. i was stretched out. i had taken off my shoes. and i was sleeping waiting for my next flight. while i was sleeping, suddenly i heard this blast, very loud, and

then shooting. you don't think it is happening. at this moment, i really thought it was a dream, nightmare. but then people started running by the bench where i was lying on. and in real panic. i did not think much, i just grabbed my shoes, i did not put them on, and started running as well. but then people came towards us from the other direction and we almost stumbled over each other and crashed into each other. and you can see this here, what really happened that we did not know at the moment, only later be found out is that there were three bombs almost at the same time. in thenot surprising lounge for the bomb was pointing, there was a mom very close to us and never shattered glass in the lounge. when we started running away from it, we ran into the other

direction with the other bomb had gone off. it created an incredible panic for all of us. and i was really scared. in the minds of everybody, ok the bomb has gone off, the panic is there, but now they come for you. of orlando,mage since paris, which was in the mind of the people. where are these terrorists now? we have no information. we had no idea they were suicide bombers. we thought now, they come for us. this was the rumor i was hiding behind the kitchen in the lounge. i found a little row. there was an asian man. we could not communicate, but we saw the fear in our eyes. there was a young man from friends and i talked to him later and he was there with his girlfriend. he grabbed a chair and banged it against the glass windows trying

to get out because we were kind of trapped in that corner of the airport. everybody trying to hide. everybody trying to find a place to survive. i posted from there shortly after and that really started this whole media interest and conversation in the many opportunities to speak. was, veryd here scary, i am safe now, but terror coming so close. life.hanks for my calls to fight hated terror everywhere. and it leads us into deeper solidarity for all who experienced terrorist and violence -- terror and violence every day and every night. that was really very deep inside me that i felt, for me, at this moment, i was terribly scared, i panicked, i was doing things just out of instinct. i was terrified.

but i saw people who experience this every day and every night. to listen to the audio on the "new york times," just to three minutes. day andear this every every night, how can we be more solidarity with people who experiences every day, and not just one second was in my case? hiding and we were then being guided out of the into even more chaos outside, i met people who opened ,y eyes, especially muslims mostly victimized by this terrorist violence. whoid next to a young woman had a head scarf on. i spoke to her, but she cried so much. some english and she

told me, you know, i am from istanbul. atas here to see a friend the airport, but then the bomb went off and i started running and now i went to the wrong side because they would not let people out without showing a passport. any wanted to catch remaining terrorists, so it took hours and hours to leave the airport. so she was there on the wrong side because she started running and now she had no passport. she did not know what was going to happen in the midst of this chaos. i was with a young man who was sitting next to me and we started talking and i met his whole family and he was from egypt. he had just -- his family had visited him and he had finished his tourism studies in italy. they were scared. and all of us wanted to see our families again. all of us wanted to live in wanted to survive. i saw an incredible connectedness with all of these people. had to god out, we through baggage claim, and

really through the area where the. the areaad happened -- where the bombing had happened and we passed the conveyor belts were people had left their luggage. it is difficult to see it, but this is a flight from brussels. i could not believe it, there suitcasesnon-claim to and baggage from brussels with the last attack happened. to of our directors from the board of global ministries from africa, they had made the and were stuck for a week. there was this connection to people who had gone through an experience like this. outside, we were all put onto buses. it was extremely well-organized.

if you think what had just happened, with so many people injured, so many deaths, the chaos in the airport, the turkish authorities worked really hard to allow us to get to hotels. this was the bus i was traveling on and the two ladies in front of me, which you can see their, we were together with their family and we started talking together about our shared experience. and you won't believe it, they were from holland and live as refugees in holland, were on their way to mogadishu in somalia. and the son was sitting next to me who spoke good english saying , what the heck? he did not understand how this could happen to somalia -- happen to a somalia in is to involve. he said these terrorists are talking --these terrorists are attacking us everywhere. we were traveling together to

the hotel. and then, as i had said, this led to a first interview with 360"rson cooper on his " show one cnn. come to say we needed to together as people of faith and non-faith to make a difference and overcome violence and terror and hate in this world. i got so many invitations to speak and to share this experience. up to share the sum of perspective -- the opened the up to share this perspective regarding faith. the -- and the next 24 hours, there were interviews .ith the and, al jazeera, bv

bc. bc.\ this was an opportunity for me to do with the situation and to cope with it. , forened a window to say me, as people of faith, have to stand together. we really have to share in our humanity and our shared humanity to work together. i got back to the lounge two looklater, and will be into what i have learned and what we want to do is an organization in the future, i came back to the lounge two days later because my flight to japan was gone, the meeting had ended, and i was going home. there was still traces of the attack, the shattered glass, they had done an incredible job to repair, but you can still see the traces. andnt back to the lounge

what was surprising to me, i did not feel secure. although everything looked like normal and people were working on their laptops, having breakfast, talking to each other reading the newspaper, but i wanted to say to them, don't you know what happened here tonight to go? two nightspened here ago? now it is like if nothing had happened. i felt more lonely at that moment because i was not able to connect at that moment. that led me to this thought i want to share with you. there are really two parts to safety i feel -- one is a path through connection, and the other is a path through separation. years -- andr many

i lived for many years in brazil as a missionary. everybody could imagine that something like this could happen in brazil. violence is a daily experience were people there. this is a picture from brazil. gated communities, higher walls. i was there in the 1970's and it are restarted in the 1980's. every time i go back to brazil, the walls are higher, the security systems are more sophisticated, but it does not stop the violence. the separation is not able to transform the society into a safer place. brazil is an example of this. during our time of the crisis, there was an incident a few of you have read about. the liberian government in veered off a slum area. there were cases of ebola.

it only changed when the approach of the government changed from separation to separating the el in the illased gas separating the and the diseased. safety through separation in this case can lead to more and not less violence. experience in a stumble -- in istanbul. we are walking out of the airport after the attack as we are waiting for the buses, thousands and thousands of people, this feeling of being connected with so many different coulters, face, and no face at

faith, and nos, faiths at all. vulnerability is the birthplace of connection and the path to the feeling of worthless -- worthiness. if it does not feel vulnerable, the share is probably not constructive. vulnerability is the birthplace of connection. could the -- could this be for us a path to safety? could this be a path to overcome hatred and violence if we are ready to share all vulnerability? if we are ready to share a vulnerability in order to faiths,across different cultures, and countries? experienceteresting was a joint task force of religious leaders. the chair was the bishop of

united methodist church who was also vice president of our board. we were very intensely connected with this whole effort. religious leaders in sierra leone at that time came together need forhere was a technical responses. to be able to treat people and build hospitals from the ground thickly with military help in order to treat patients. to it was equally important work for behavioral change. for changing the rights. -- for changing the burying rights. to be able to touch the dead and to wash them and prepare them for burial was something that was done for centuries with the blessing of the pastors.

so to tell them without to do it without the blessing of the religious leaders were not of been possible. so the range of leaders doing this together, preaching this together, was essential for combating ebola at that time. and, of course, you can see this -- he picture any time you need an african and africa, you touch and you greet. and you develop the whole culture of bowing and greeting people in a new way. the religious leader led to this momentum is really reduced the infection rate during these months and time of ebola. giveer example i wanted to where we really found a good with a london-based

muslim disaster relief. i showed you the picture from bangladesh. this is from sri lanka. and the model of organizations working together in a country that has gone through a long time of .ivil war it is an example which helps people to connect, and create an alignment in safety and reconciliation in a country like this. german, allow me to mention an example that came to me since istanbul and a very strong way. i would never have imagined in my lifetime that we would have a united germany. something from 1989i

would not have believed -- 1989, i would not have believed. everyone was working to keep a separate. unification,ne of the east politic, and he has a throughogo, change transformation. hebe gestures of asking -- he made gestures of affirmation when he kneeled and when he walked. he works so there would be family exchange and travel, and the war became easier to cross. this created an atmosphere which was an important stone of this building of trust that later wrote down the wall and the iron curtain.

he called it change through -- week can create that in this idea, we can create change. also -- the united methodist church struggles with the question of separation and connection. the church struggles with the question of separation in connection. normally, when i get on a plane, i grab some magazines that i have not had time to read. thehe plane, i read methodist recorder, the oldest methodist newspaper, and they

call themselves the world's leading methodist newspaper and it is published in london. title, "the need for vigilance." i thought, isn't that interesting? killing response to the of freddy jack orswell. statement is from the bridge methodist church reminding all of our churches of basic security measures, and of the need to be vigilant. however, our churches will continue to offer a warm welcome to all. and then the british government had just started two weeks ago a program for eight weeks where places of worship can apply for government grants to make places of worship more secure. you can get an application from the u.k. guidance places. i thought, isn't this ironic? neede struggle that we

security, being vigilant, and also our desire to keep the church open. to build relationships and to offer a warm welcome to all. another thing that happened early this week is in east congo, one of our district superintendents, one of the local leaders of the united methodist church in that area, and his name is ezekiel martin. he lost his two sisters by an attack in east congo. now over 500 people have been killed. east congo is probably one of the most violent regions in the world. thousands and thousands of women have been raped as an instrument of war. thousands of people have been killed. over recently, over 500 in this

region. and we had given a grant to the superintendent in this region to rebuild some of the churches being done in the aftermath of these attacks. in last week, he loses his two sisters from this islamic group. what do i tell him? to connect? his impulse is probably two separate. -- his impulse is probably to separate. it is a challenge to make a connection whether it is a matter of death and life where you have a terrorist attack. and still we believe, and i believe strongly, that we need to work towards connection. i still believe that, in the end, if you want to overcome hatred and violence, we have to open ourselves up to risk, being vigilant, being cautious, but at the same time, taking the risk to connect, and taking the risk to build bridges and create the

shared humanity with people who are different from us. the founder, one of the founders of united -- of the methodist , is famous for advent. it starts like this, come the long expected jesus born to set my people free from our fears and our sins, release us. let us find our rest in thee. it is an expression and it is 300 years old. hope thatin this christ relieves us from our fears so we are open to take risks and open to build bridges, and to create this community of people of faith and non-faith.

degree is a world were connection is key, not separation. thank you. [applause] ok, thank you. for your, thomas, impassioned presentation. we are opening it up for for anything that mr. kemper resented. --presented. yes? [indiscernible] >> thank you, thomas.

>> identify yourself. >> i am mike mccurry and a member of the press club. i am curious as you trace through this and think about the difference between separation and connectedness. if you can translate that work into what you do as a general secretary of the board of global ministries, is that causing you to think about program activity, and where we direct the resources of the church, and how we do this work? alism is abe mission new thing of how we think about it in terms of the cultural and puerile the stick times. is is giving you a different sense of what global ministries should be the methodist church?

thomas: thank you, mike for the question. ares something that we trying to be connected and say we cannot go it alone. deaths,to fight malaria especially in children, but we need to partner and we need the global fund to fight aids and malaria to join in this. i think this is an attitude and an openness that should permeate all of our programs and all of the work we do. we are also introducing a stronger emphasis on interfaith dialogue and our training of missionaries. in our training of our own staff , but alsoey learn lose long perceptions or prejudices we have because we have so few opportunities of exchange. is i think what is happening , we are not creating a new dogram area, but whatever we

, the emphasis on partnership, the emphasis on what we call a roundtable approach, where people sit around the table and , intly define priorities think that is something we are emphasizing more. for instance, this work in england -- with muslim aid -- this work in bangladesh and muslim aid has grown in the past two years. since 2007, we have that relationship. but we have not appreciated as much as i do it after the istanbul experience. they will intensify and expand this. >> anyone else? i've not the microphone. [laughter]

i will ask a follow-up. there are several of us are from the wesley seminary community. what thoughts to you have on theological education in general? there is a whole group of institutions of higher learning preparing people who are going to go out. what kinds of curriculum, or program activity do we need to have within the ranks of theological education to prepare for the world that you have now experienced, and you would like to change? mr. kemper: there has to be research done by the world council of churches, which had about 6000 responses from around the world about what are the needs for theological education for future pastors in the 21st century? and the top result was cross-cultural indication and skills. that was first before new testament.

element from all around the world where people said, we need to have the skills to go beyond our own comfort zone, and our own experience of religion, and culture in order to be relevant in this world. i think that is key for all theological education. so the exchange with other schools, not only christian schools, the opportunities for students to have firsthand, to realize the experience of other faiths, and people of no faith, is key to any illogical education today. mcallister,s david president of wesley seminary, and i want to pick up on the work you do, or the two halves. shown inmentioned and some of the slides, which is the emergency relief form. but then there is the longer-term development arm, and

i wonder if you can comment on the connection between the two with a specific example. the young boy who is pictured on the back of the ad. a powerful image. i imagine a whole lot of immediate response to that kind of image and that kind of attention. i imagine you are getting a lot of her was -- i imagine you are getting a lot of attention from people wanting to support that child. but what you do the next day, the next year, and the next five years? mr. kemper: our principal has not been to necessarily be everywhere on the ground ourselves. that is a very important to us. we have situations in haiti where you have major pacific disasters. we had an opposite and a real presence. it is the middle east,

very helpful for us that we have trusted partners. we worked before the war for many, many years. partners from decades. they come as trusted partners in these moments were almost nobody has entry anymore, and we can work with them because we have an established relationship, and we -- and it will not change. this policy to say that it does not need to be us everywhere in person, but we that our partners and work with them and build trust so we can immediately elect in a moment of crisis. they are our hands and feet in that situation. that is the strength of our work for many, many years. a methodist-related organization, but it could be a muslim organization if this is

how best we can be in solidarity. >> ok. anyone else? >> i have a question. what can people do to promote this mission and understanding and connect with this? mr. kemper: i don't think you need to be a missionary to be in a mission of crossing cultures. greetingt probably someone who looks different from you and have a word with that person. that can make an incredible difference. my experience in the airport, i was shy to talk to the woman who was so much covered. but this moment brought us together and we could talk and share. and people felt comfortable through this connection.

can reach, anywhere out to people who look different, whether a different scarf, createa small gestures of communication, that can be a start of being -- that can be a start. >> all right, do we have any more questions? anyone? ok, thomas do you have any last words you would like to say? mr. kemper: i want to thank you for the opportunity. it is amazing. as i said, i appreciate those journalists who i had the chance to be interviewed, who were open om to some conversation so we can all create an atmosphere, which is more of an atmosphere of trust, building.bridge

that was an incredible opportunity. i want to say thank you to those journalists. they do their job so well. >> thank you so much thomas for the presentation. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> thank you very much.

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country, who have sacrificed so greatly in these very difficult times. and they are difficult. [applause] the chaos and violence on our streets, and the assault on law enforcement, are really and truly an attack against all peaceful citizens. if i am elected president, this chaos and violence will end, and it will end very, very quickly. [applause] land single citizen in our has a right to live in safety. to be one, united nation, we must protect all of our people, all of our people. [applause] but we must also provide opportunities for all of our people. we cannot make america great again if we leave any community

behind. [applause] in 10 four african-american children are living in poverty. i will not rest until children or in thisol country are fully included in the american dream. [applause] jobs, safety, opportunity, is what we have to have, and it is what we need. fair and equal representation. this is what i promise to african-americans, hispanics, americans of all types, of all , of all religions, this is what we promise, everyone in this room promises, this is what

we have to do. [applause] but to achieve this new american future, we must break from the failures of the past. as you know, i'm not a politician. i worked in business, created a great company, built a lot of jobs. rebuilding neighborhoods. that is what i have done all my adult life. i've never wanted to learn the language of the insiders. and i have never been politically correct. it takes far too much time. [applause] truthfully, it takes far too

much time and can often make it more difficult to achieve total victory. sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words, or you say the wrong thing. i have done that. [applause] [cheering] and believe it or not, i regret it. >> trump, trump, trump, trump, trump. mr. trump: i do regret it. particularly, where it may have caused personal pain. too much is at stake for us to be consumed by these issues. but one thing i can promise you this -- i can always tell you the truth.

[applause] [cheering] i speak the truth for all of you and for everyone in this country who doesn't have a voice, of which there are many. i speak the truth on behalf of the factory worker who lost his or her job, and that is happening more and more in our country. i speak the truth on behalf of the veteran who has been denied the medical care they need and the medical care they deserve. [applause] [cheering] and so many are not making it. but they will make it if trump becomes president. that, i can tell you. [applause] [cheering]

they are dying in lines, waiting for a doctor. a for a doctor. we are going to take care of our veterans. i speak the truth on behalf of the families living near the border that deserve to be safe in their own country but is instead living with no security and no protection at all. [cheering] >> build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. build the wall. mr. trump: we will build the wall. [applause] [cheering] me, we will build the wall. our campaign is about representing the great majority of americans.

republicans, democrats, independents, conservatives, and liberals, who read the newspaper or turn on the television and don't hear anyone speaking to -- for them. all they hear are insiders fighting for other insiders. that's what they do. these are the forgotten men and women in our society. and they are angry at so much and on so many levels. the poverty, the unemployment, the failing schools, the jobs moving to other countries. i am fighting for these forgotten americans. [applause] [cheering]

14 months ago, i declared my campaign for the presidency on the promise to give our government back to the people. [applause] [cheering] every day since then, i have worked to repay the loyalty and the faith that you have put me. every day, i think about how much is at stake for our country in the upcoming election. this is not just the fight of my life, it is the fight of our lives, together, to save our country. [applause] [cheering] thank you. i refuse to let another generation of american children

be excluded from the american dream, which is what is happening. our whole country loses when young people of limitless potential are denied the opportunity to contribute their talents, because we failed to provide them the opportunities that they deserve. dreamers,ildren be too. our whole country loses every time a kid does not graduate from high school, or fails to enter the workforce, or worse still, is lost to the dreadful world of drugs and crime. and so many are. so, so many. when i look at the failing schools, the terrible trade deals, the infrastructure

crumbling in our inner cities, i know all of this can be fixed, and i can fix it, but i know it can be fixed very, very quickly, if we know what we are doing. [applause] [cheering] in the world i come from, if something is broken, you fix it. if something is not working, you replace it. if a product doesn't deliver, you make a change. i have no patience for injustice. no tolerance for government incompetence. and that is what it is. gross incompetence. and, no sympathy for leaders who fail their citizens. that is why i'm running to end

the decades of bitter failure and to offer the american people a new future of honesty, justice, and opportunity. [applause] [cheering] a future where america and its people always, and i mean, always, comes first. america first. remember. america first. america first. [applause] [cheering] mr. trump: aren't you tired of a system that gets rich, and this is a system which is getting very rich at your expense. that's what's happening. aren't you tired of the same old lies and the same old broken promises? >> yeah. mr. trump: and hillary clinton

has proven to be one of the greatest liars of all time. [applause] [cheering] aren't you tired of arrogant leaders who look down on you instead of serving and protecting you? and that's what's happening. that is all about to change. and it is about to change very, very soon. how about november 8? [applause] [cheering] mr. trump: we are going to put the american people first again. i've traveled all across this country, laying out my bold and modern agenda for change. and this journey -- i will never lie to you. i will never tell you something i do not believe. i will never put anyone's interest ahead of yours.

[applause] [cheering] and, i will never, ever stop fighting for you. [applause] [cheering] i have no special interest controlling me. and i have no special interest. i'm spending millions and millions of dollars on my own campaign. i'm funding my campaign. my only interest is the american people. this country has been so good to me, i'm giving back. and that's what it's all about -- giving back. so while sometimes i can be too

honest, hillary clinton is the exact opposite. she never tells the truth. one lie after another, and getting worse with each passing day. >> lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. mr. trump: the american people are still waiting for hillary clinton to apologize for all of the many lies see has told them, has putthe times she them in great danger. tell me. has hillary ever apologized for lying about her e-mail server

and deleting 30,000 e-mails? >> no. mr. trump: has hillary clinton apologize for making the state department into a play-for-pay operation, where favors are sold to the highest bidder, which is exactly what is happening? >> no. apologizedhas she for lying to the families who lost loved ones at benghazi? >> no. mr. trump: has she apologize for putting iran on a path for nuclear weapons? >> no. mr. trump: has she apologize for iraq? >> no. mr. trump: for libya? for syria? has she apologized for unleashing isis across the world? she and barack obama unleashed isis, whether you like it or don't like it, whether you want to hear it or you don't, that is what happened. [applause] [cheering]

has hillary clinton apologized for the decisions she made that have led to so much death, destruction, and terrorism? >> no. lies, we: speaking of now know from the state department, just announced, that president obama lied about the $400 million in cash that was flown to iran. it was flown to iran. $400 million in cash. he denied it was for the hostages, but it was. just came out. he said, we do not pay ransom, but we did. he lied about the hostages openly and blatantly, just like he lied about obamacare. [booing]

you remember, you can have your doctor, you can have your plan. right? you can have your doctor, you can have your plan. didn't work out that way. now, the administration has put every american traveling overseas, including our military personnel, at greater risk of being kidnapped. hillary clinton own's president obama's iran policy. one more reason she can never, ever be allowed to be president. let's talk about the economy. here, in this beautiful and great state, so many people had suffered because of nafta. nafta. remember nafta. what it's done to this country. and clinton signed the deal

hillary clinton supported the deal. north carolina has lost nearly half of its manufacturing jobs since nafta went into effect. bill clinton also put china into the world trade organization, another hillary clinton-backed disaster. your city of charlotte has lost 1 in 4 manufacturing jobs since china joined the wto, and many of these jobs were lost while hillary clinton was secretary of state. our chief diplomat with china. she was a disaster, totally unfit for this job. totally unfit. [applause] hillary clinton owes the state of north carolina a very big apology, and i think you'll get

that apology around the same time you'll get to see her 33,000 deleted e-mails. in other words, you'll never see the apology. another major issue in this campaign has been the border. our open border has allowed drugs and crime and gangs to pour into our country and our communities. so much needless suffering, so much preventable death. i've spent time with the families of wonderful americans, whose loved ones were killed by the open borders and sanctuary cities that hillary clinton supports. i've embraced crying parents, who have lost their children to

violence spilling across our border. parents like laura wilkerson, and michelle rood, and sabine durdin and my friend jamille shaw, whose children were killed by illegal immigrants so needlessly. my opponent supports sanctuary cities. [boos] but where were these sanctuaries for kate steinle? where were they? where were they? where was it? [applause] where was the sanctuary for kate? think about it. where was the sanctuary for the children of laura and michelle and sabine and jamille?

where was the sanctuary for every other parent who has suffered so horribly? these moms and dads don't get a lot of consideration from our politicians. they certainly don't get apologies. they'll never even get the time of day from hillary clinton. she doesn't even care, i'm convinced. but they will always come first to me. listen closely. we will deliver justice for all of these great american families. [applause] [cheers] we will create a system of immigration that makes us all proud. hillary clinton's mistakes

destroy innocent lives, sacrifice national security, and betray the working families of this country. please remember this, i will never put personal profit before national security. nobody should. [applause] i will never leave our border open to appease donors and special interests, which is what hillary is doing, and they are doing appeased. i will never support a trade deal that kills american jobs. [applause] [cheers] i will never, ever put the special interests before the national interests. [applause] [cheers] i will never put a donor before

a voter, or a lobbyist before a citizen. [applause] [cheers] instead, i will be a champion for the people. the establishment media doesn't cover what really matters in this country or what's really going on in people's lives. they will take words of mine out of context and spend a week obsessing over every single syllable, and then pretend to discover some hidden meaning in what i said. [applause] [cheers] just imagine for a second, if the media spent this energy holding the politicians accountable who got innocent americans like kate steinle killed. she was gunned down by an

illegal immigrant who had been deported five times. just imagine if the media spent time -- and lots of time -- investigating the poverty and joblessness of the inner cities. just think about how much different things would be if the media in this country sent their cameras to our border, to our closing factories, or to our failing schools. [applause] [cheers] or the media focused on what dark secrets must be hidden in the 33,000 e-mails that hillary clinton illegally deleted. [applause] [cheers] up.ock her

lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. mr. trump: thank you. instead, every story is told from the perspective of the insider. it's the narrative of the people who rigged the system, never the voice of the people it's been rigged against, believe me. so many people suffering for so long in silence. no cameras, no coverage, no outrage from the media class that seems to get outraged over just about everything else. so again, it's not about me. it's never been about me. it's been about all the people in this country who don't have a voice. i am running to be your voice. [applause] [cheers]

>> donald trump. donald trump. donald trump. mr. trump: thank you. i am running to be the voice for every forgotten part of this country that has been waiting and hoping for a better future. i am glad that i make the powerful -- and i mean very powerful -- a little uncomfortable now and again, including some of the powerful people, frankly, in my own party. because it means that i'm fighting for real change, real change. [applause] there's a reason hedge fund managers, the financial lobbyists, the wall street investors, are throwing their

money all over hillary clinton. because they know she will make sure the system stays rigged in their favor. it's the powerful protecting the powerful, the insiders fighting for the insiders. i am fighting for you. [applause] [cheers] here is the change i propose. on terrorism, we are going to end the era of nation-building and, instead, focus on destroying, destroying, destroying isis and radical islamic terrorism. [cheers] we will use military, cyber, and financial warfare, and work with

any partner in the world and the middle east that shares our goal of defeating terrorism. i have a message for the terrorists trying to kill our citizens. we will find you. we will destroy you. we will absolutely win, and we will win soon. [applause] on immigration, we will temporarily suspend immigration from any place where adequate screening cannot be performed. extreme vetting. remember, extreme vetting. all applicants for immigration will be vetted for ties to radical ideology, and we will screen out anyone who doesn't share our values and love our

people. [applause] [cheers] >> usa. usa. usa. usa. usa. usa. anyone who believes sharia law supplants american law will not be given an immigrant visa. [applause] [cheers] if you want to join our society, then you must embrace our society, our values, and our tolerant way of life. [applause] [cheers] those who believe in oppressing women, gays, hispanics, african-americans, and people of different faiths, are not

welcome to join our great country. [applause] [cheers] we will promote our american values, our american way of life, and our american system of government. which are all the best in the world. [applause] [cheers] my opponent, on the other hand, wants a 550% increase in syrian refugees, even more than already pouring into our country under president obama. her plan would bring in roughly 620,000 refugees from all refugee-sending nations in her first term alone, on top of all

other immigration. think of that. think of that. [boos] what are we doing? hillary clinton is running to be america's angela merkel. [boos] and we've seen how much crime and how many problems that's caused the german people and germany. [applause] we have enough problems already. we do not need more. on crime, we're going to add more police, more investigators, and appoint the best judges and prosecutors in the world. [applause] [cheers] we will pursue strong enforcement of federal laws. the gangs and cartels and

criminal syndicates terrorizing our people will be stripped apart one by one, and they'll be sent out of our country quickly. [applause] [cheers] their day is over. and it's going to end very, very fast. our trade -- thank you. on trade, we're going to renegotiate nafta to make it better. and if they don't agree, we will withdraw. [applause] [cheers] and likewise, we're going to withdraw from transpacific partnership, another disaster. stand up to china on our terrible trade agreements and protect every last american job.

hillary clinton has supported all of the major trade deals that have stripped this country of its jobs and its wealth. we owe $20 trillion. on taxes, we are going to massively cut tax rates for workers and small businesses, creating millions of new good-paying jobs. [applause] [cheers] we're going to get rid of regulations that send jobs overseas, and we are going to make it easier for young americans to get the credit they need to start a small business and pursue their dream. [applause] [cheers] on education, so important, we

are going to give students choice and allow charter schools to thrive. we are going to end 10-year policies that reward bad teachers and hurt our great, good teachers. [applause] [cheers] my opponent wants to deny students choice and opportunity, all to get a little bit more money from the education bureaucracy. she doesn't care how many young dreams are dashed or destroyed, and they're destroyed. young people are destroyed before they even start. we are going to work closely with african-american parents and children. we are going to work with the parent students. we are going to work with everybody in the

african-american community, in the inner cities, and what a big difference that is going to make. it's one of the things i most look forward to doing. [applause] [cheers] this means a lot to me, and it is going to be a top priority in a trump administration. on healthcare, we are going to repeal and replace the disaster called "obamacare." countless americans have been forced into part-time jobs, premiums are about to jump by double digits yet again. and just this week, aetna announced it is pulling out of the exchanges all over, but also in north carolina.

we are going to replace this disaster with reforms that give you choice and freedom and control in healthcare at a much, much lower cost. you'll have much better healthcare at a much lower cost. and it will happen quickly. [applause] [cheers] on political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. [applause] no one will be above the law. i am going to forbid senior officials from trading favors for cash by preventing them from collecting lavish speaking fees through their spouses when they serve. [applause] [cheers]

i'm going to ask my senior officials to sign an agreement not to accept speaking fees from corporations with a registered lobbyist for five years after leaving office, or from any entity tied to a foreign government. [applause] [cheers] finally, we are going to bring our country together. it is so divided. we are going to bring it together. we are going to do it by emphasizing what we all have in common as americans. we're going to reject bigotry -- and i will tell you the bigotry of hillary clinton is amazing. she sees communities of color only as votes, and not as human beings.

worthy of a better future. it's only votes, it is only votes that she sees, and she does nothing about it. she's been there forever, and look at where you are. if african-american voters give donald trump a chance by giving me their vote, the result for them will be amazing. [applause] [cheers] look how badly things are going under decades of democratic leadership leadership. look at the schools. look at the poverty. look at the 58% of young african-americans not working. 58%. it is time for a change. what do you have to lose by trying something new?

i will fix it. watch. i will fix it. you have nothing to lose, nothing to lose. [applause] [cheers] it is so bad. the inner cities are so bad, you have nothing to lose. they have been playing with you for 60, 70, 80 years, many decades. you have nothing to lose. i will do a great job. [applause] [cheers] this means so much to me, and i will work as hard as i can to bring new opportunity to places in our country which have not known it in a very, very long time. hillary clinton and the democratic party have taken african-american votes totally for granted. because the votes have been

automatically there for them, there has been no reason for democrats to produce, and they haven't. they haven't produced in decades and decades. it's time to break with the failures of the past and to fight for every last american child in this country to have a better and a much, much brighter future. [applause] [cheers] in my administration, every american will be treated equally, protected equally, and honored equally. we will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression and all of -- in all of its forms and seek a new future built on our common culture and values, as one american people. [applause] [cheers]

this is the change i am promising to all of you. an honest government, a great economy, and a just society for each and every american. [applause] [cheers] but we can never ever fix our problems by relying on the same politicians who created these problems in the first place. can't do it. 72% of voters say our country is on the wrong track. i am the change candidate. hillary clinton is for the failed status quo, to protect

her special interests, her donors, her lobbyists, and others. it is time to vote for a new american future. [applause] [cheers] together, we will make america strong again. we will make america proud again. we will make america safe again. friends and fellow citizens, come november, we will make america great again. greater than ever before. thank you, thank you, and god bless you. thank you. [applause] [cheers] ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> on the heels of that appearance yesterday comes this news, reported in the "hill." manafort has resigned as donald trump's campaign chairman. the move comes two days after are the presidential nominee brought in steve bannen and

kellyanne conway. the moves are seen as a de facto their motion for paul manafort. "paul manafort offered and i accepted his resignation from donald trump" said. you can read the rest of the story on thehill.com. c-span continues on the road to the white house. >> we need serious leadership. this is not a reality the show. it is as real as it gets. >> we will make america great again. >> ahead, live coverage of the presidential and vice presidential debates. on c-span, the c-span app, and c-span.org. first debate. then vice presidential candidates governor mike pence and senator tim kaine debate in

farmville, virginia. sunday, october 9, washington university in st. louis hosts the second presidential debate. leading up to the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump, taking place in the university of nevada las vegas. coverage of the presidential and vice presidential debates on c-span. listen live on the free c-span radio act, or watch on c-span.org. three years after a supreme court ruling overturned part of the voting rights act, courts knockedhe country have down state laws, saying they discriminate against specific groups of readers. saturday night, shoot spotlight looks voting rights. we feature part of the supreme court oral argument in shelby v. holder. here is what the presidential

candidates have to say. voter know, all of his id, nowadays, a lot of places will not have voter id. what does that mean? you just keep walking in and voting? >> what is happening is a sweeping effort to disempower and disenfranchise people of culler. poor people. and young people. from one end of our country to the other. watch our issues spotlight on voting rights saturday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span and c-span.org. >> this morning, we look at the cost of a college education and whether the return on investment is worth it. here is our roundtable discussion from this morning's "washington journal." researchers from the group third way. it is a social policy as

she is a senior policy advisor and they are here to discuss the new report on public education and dropout rates. thank you for joining us. about third way and the goal of the organization. guest: we are a think tank and have been around for 10 years. we want to provide a voice for americans in the middle, which is not so present in this town, and to help figure out how washington can prepare americans for the new economy. do you want to many public policies or dropout factors question mark why you took a look at the dropout rate and why this is a more important

issue than college classes? guest: the reason we want to jump into this report is because all of the conversations that you are showing about college, about candidates in the field or the media is about cost. we also have this important conversation which was sort of to look at the quality of these institutions, and are they providing value to students. we have special lines for current college students to a 2-748-8000, and 8001college students 742, and if your professor or to a 2-748-8002.

what did you find specifically in terms of dropout rates at a public university? that: we were -- we found at the average institution, students have a one eye and -- growing --hance of graduated. for in 10 of them don't have that degree. to in 10 are not able to repay their loans, twice the rate that we saw during the mortgage crisis. we are talking about bad outcomes that we rely on to create mobility machine for many of the low income americans. host: your for to it as a drop

out factor. dropoutstrading up we get it'sk guest: a little bit of a shocking turn. is that we have spent the last year working a lot and when we were just looked at our nation's high schools if the high school is graduating less than two thirds of the students, it is like a dropout factory. the state or district has to intervene and put in a support plan and try to raise the standards. when we tried to put that same bar to our public college and universities, looking at how many of these people are graduating students, we found only 80 colleges in the country raising the bar.

we want to make the comparison because right now there is no set of comparable in the united states. we see schools that are thatating there is nothing is accountable right now. weise still are allowing students -- host: that report in the san diego union, some of the overall findings.

one point that i think a lot of people who want to public universities, some of my classmates would go and maybe something would happen in their family. does this data reflect people like that who leave public universities and go back and get their degree? guest: the data we have is the best several data we have ever had. the obama administration released a scorecard where parents and students and families can look at the data, and they could understand where they can get the best bang for the buck. it doesn't count students who are part-time, there's a lot that we don't know. but we do know that on these transfer students only about one

quarter get a four-year degree from anywhere. that will not add hugely to the number of graduate rates. but ita isn't perfect, is what we have right now. we thought the differentiation in the data, some are doing thatmely well, schools --e a high percentage each of lower and moderate income students. there were graduating 70 or 80% of students. , lower than ang 20% graduation rate. there are limitations to debate. when you are comparing apples to apples, there is it still a difference of quality in many institutions. we are talking about the

new report on public university dropout rates. illinois, yourom are parents of a college student. caller: parent of two college students. i have observed there is a significant increase in the cost of sending kids to school and a reduction in accountability. i have relatives who are sending their children to school. it seems like schools are not only not ensuring that our students are graduating, but they are also appears they are flunking them in their classes to get them to redo classes, and not doing their part in ensuring mastery of skill. but in public schools every single year public schools are measured in their results and

published in the paper. they are held to some degree of accountability. i think i heard you on public radio yesterday with a report. i think you need to go further and make sure that this on anation is publicize annual basis in terms of the cost of college, in terms of their cost and their graduation rates so we can start holding them to a higher degree of accountability. thank you for your question. we couldn't agree more with the to get this information out there publicly. i think the department of education is a step in the right direction. this is information that was released for the first time back in september. they are trying to source lots of effort nation at we know about colleges.

and really putting it in a consumer from a format. our website and get information for all types of information and not just public universities. host: for lee, new jersey. you are a student. what are question? caller: i started college in 1997, and i have been in their 25 years. i have studied calculus, pre-calculus, statistics. i wanted to learn more about .omputer work or technical work they couldn't place they went i went for job interview. it's a horrible situation. what can you do to help people to get jobs out of college?

i have been paying for it out of my own pocket. i don't understand it. that allowingk the data to be more accessible will make institutions more responsive to the job market. if people for the first time, can understand what the people that graduate and don't graduate, the causes -- the colleges will have to respond to that. people will not want to attend their school. we are hopeful that the transparency that we are focusing on creating can take a making the direction of sure that higher education is preparing people for the economy we have today. many ofsee to that is these private colleges, but some of the colleges generate are

resistant to the idea of giving this data out. law that werrier in wenot create a student -- contract the part-time students. folks are limitations afraid of what might happen if you could compare institutions in that way. i think that's where we hope congress will address these issues in the next higher education debate, which should be coming next year. there's a statistic that says a shocking 85% of four-year colleges and universities can be considered dropout factories. if they are held to the same standards as the nation's health -- high schools. mentioned, now it is , we havehe new law

some sort of center for accountability systems that states design of state we have to look at the number of graduates, we have to look at something -- our test scores. we have to measure these schools and put in place some sort of accountability and the support plan. does not exist in higher education. even though we have a lot of goals that are not graduating , there are also some schools that are doing a really good job. is figure outo do to re-scale up those efforts and make sure the other institutions and support the resources they need. guest: we have seen people feel

that if a high school student drops out, it is the fault of the school of the -- or the teacher. seems there is a line that we all of a sudden it isn't terribly students fall. when you see graduation rates in the single digits, you cannot blame all of that on them. from next is richard, florida. good morning, richard. caller: good morning. i am concerned about the fact legislature has got to two thirdserned republican, and they have taken funding from the public schools so much to be able to spend money on prisons. the other thing that really you are is that if

super rich person you can declare bankruptcy six or eight times like donald trump has done but if you are student that is struggling, you're stuck. you cannot declare bankruptcy. it doesn't make sense to make. i would like to know what your opinion is on that. investment issue is a huge piece of this conversation. it will have to be a part of the conversation at the federal level because the question is, how can the federal government leverages huge spending on --her education to make sure and that is a disco -- difficult thing to do. in some of the states we saw public -- institutions were outperforming the private ones. how to incorporate that

conversation will be a huge piece of power. terms of the bankruptcy issue i know we are starting to put very small measures in place for students who are going to a , some of these for-profits. the obama administration is working on rules to protect the students who get into that situation. broader set of students who are not getting the things they were promised from the colleges. i think a lot of the conversation we are having about there arerisis is students who have 100,000 or $200,000 in debt to a lot of times those are doctors and lawyers who will be ok. mosthe students who are

likely to get that are the ones who have $10,000 or less. verythat tells us is that often the students that are not completing have taken out student loans to go to school and are no better off in terms of them not having a degree, and having to pay them back. we can't just have this conversation about cost and a lot of the loans conversation in a vacuum, but we have to factor andome of these measures helping students to get a degree. host: one of the issues the report looks at is looking at what people make as -- after they leave school. not makingts are more than a high school graduate sick shoes after enrollment. what does that mean? considering what their wages will be once they graduate and consider other

options? guest: we want to make it clear the we still think that economic data shows that going to college is important. in terms of adding able to have a better understanding of how well students are faring after ,hey have gone to these schools is that school providing them the skills they need to access the jobs in this modern economy. i think, it is more about toating this market response selecting a school, where as in the past when i went to school, i care a lot about that school. i wasn't really thinking that much ahead about how well our students faring in the real world. it's because there are real concerns and that this is an important piece of the conversation. the data is a good step in doing that. -- we have states

seen there is a lot of variation in different programs within institution. that is something we cannot look at on a national level red right now you might make a very different wage. to know thata way right now at the federal level. host: we are talking about a report on public institutions. loretta, saint augustine, texas. good morning. caller: i taught 20 years in high school. and 20 years at college and university level.