later, independent presidential candidate talks about the issues in his campaign. as always, we take your calls the obama administration is expected to make a large push for the transfer of the partnership and he will take up the issue while traveling in asia. when it comes to money in campaign 2016 the trump campaign collected $26 million in july. hillary clinton gathered $90 million including money from the demo party. it's the washington journey -- journal for august way second.

first half-hour is open phones. here so you can give us a call. republicans,for 202-748-8000 for democrats and for independents 202-748-8002. on a social media pages you can do so on her twitter page at c-span wj. if you want to like us on face the, facebook.com/c-span. a breakdown of the washington post taking a look at what has been gathered and spent. when it comes to mr. trump's campaign, his campaign race $64 million through online donations and direct mail in july to most small contributions that would be directed to his committee rather than his party.

-- donald trump's campaign --.rtages 36 million and looking at mrs. clinton's campaign, they raised 62.3 million in july, and -- including more than 30 million raised. nearly half of mr. trumps spending, eight point or million dollars was direct one company, a web design firm whose president serves as the trump campaigns digital director. also one of the things coming out of the sunday shows mr.

trumps immigration. saying that this is jay solomon writing about it on the wall street journal, again we have open phones in this half-hour. republicans, for 202-748-8000 for democrats and

independents 202-748-8002. virginiacome -- republican line. caller: if clinton becomes president russia and china will do whatever they want. a do whatever they want with the black in office. imagine what they will do with the 70-year-old grandfather. our national debt under hillary clinton will go to $30 trillion. if you want hillary clinton to be president i watch the collapse of this whole country. we might even be invaded by russia and china. democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. frustrated because i don't feel like there is anybody to vote for. i don't like hillary and i don't

like trump. i have to vote for hillary, but i don't like her either area it's just bad when it is the lesser of the evils and you can vote for someone you believe in. host: what's the main reason that you don't care for hillary clinton? caller: caller: i don't think she's honest. i think she is too much above the -- i don't think she will do anything to help the or or middle-class or anybody. that's lori on the phone joining us here today is the 20th anniversary of welfare reform that was signed by president linton in 1996. -- president clinton in 1996

through --. taking a look at the anniversary of the welfare law anniversary. 9:00 tonight. you can watch that special on c-span and learn more about it at c-span. board. diane good morning, from arkansas republican line. caller: i want to refresh people's memory if they were alive that time. it weren't for the republicans being in this would have never passed. it took him three times -- to get in. they got around it by having the doctor -- i had a children's store at the time. i talked to a lot of mothers.

they would take their child in to adopt and to get the doctor to deep clear them -- to declare them learning disabled. doctor andgo to the tell him to act crazy. this is a six or seven year old kid so the doctor would say he had a learning disorder. that's why autism has grown so much in the last two years. they are still on the dole. it was republicans that put this through. whenat time, every year the budget would come up with a what automatically give the welfare 5%. more on alive then, 5% the budget for welfare. host: jody adding on twitter

this morning sun by a democratic president adding who is responsible for welfare reform? that takes a look at the signing of the law at 9:00 tonight. stephen, minnesota on the independent line. your next. go ahead. how are you? caller: caller: six weeks ago you had a max boot?name i would like you to pull up his remarks on who he said was was possible for hitler's abney -- and the holocaust. host: why do you think that's relevant. glenn, union washington. you are up next. i love this program. i watch it pretty much every morning.

the segment onad welfare reform. i want to mention that i think a very important art of the system is all the fraud on disability. park,y i lived in an rv two of the people were on disability, one person sat on his rear all day long. the other was a woman who was distraught because she is no longer in our relationship so she claimed disability. the government pensions need to be addressed. we have $63 trillion of of hundred liabilities are government pensions. so i have tooyed match all social security. the taxelieve that instead of income tax which is pyramid of two reduction should be a federal sales tax here at if you buy a sweater you pay .2% of the purchase. level,any certain income

saving their receipt so they can get their reimburse. the less point is we need constitutional amendments to korea -- correct the system. we can't depend on politicians anymore. that's why i'm voting for donald trump. he can't be bought by special interest. i would suggest campaign-finance reform. we have e-mail today. you can hear from any of your representatives through the computer. next would be term limits. host: glenn mentioned welfare reform on the 20th anniversary. the governor of ohio and john kasich talked about the needs to changes to part welfare systems, saying the root of the challenge is a disconnect when worker training.

our caller, glenn, also mentioned lobbyists as far as changes he would want the. said the clinton and pain is looking at the possibility of hillary clinton being more open to lobbyists in her administration. part ofyists who are clinton's deep network of washington contacts have raised millions of dollars for her campaign, suggesting that she might open to appoint a more decision in her administration. occasion beenn able to hire the best people.

all, you saidof 30 minutes up calling time. that's not true a cusp you talking and reading the newspaper that 15 minutes is cut good 15 minutes. if it's going to be free call and time let us call in an you be quiet. secondly, when it calls -- comes to donald trump when is it going to be made known to the media that donald trump is in bed with salernoyork mafia, tony , would somebody in the media these check that out. and check that -- thank you.

host: jim from texas on the democratic line. caller: good morning. the very kindess response to -- that mr. trump made. is this the same party that [indiscernible] that is obama -- [indiscernible] is this the party that called president obama a liar? i could go on and on.

the day that we vote for trump will be the day that the jews vote in hitler's. host: george in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, on ahead. caller: i want to make a comment about donald trump. if everybody is concerned about what a typical white man would say, take donald trump right there. what we need is a decent white people to step up to the late. that's what black lives matter is all about. we know that black people are decent. trump, i think he has a good chance at it. everybody loves the typical white man.

the typical white man has been in the united states. host: the chairman of the republic national committee rants grievous was on the sunday shows. was on the sunday >> i think it is had a great week and we have been on messages. he has shown maturity as a candidate. he is getting into a groove at i think he likes the new style that he has been out on the campaign trail producing and speaking of it i think what you will see is these polls will begin to tighten in the next couple of weeks and by labor day

i think you will be back to an even race if we continue down this path. host: ginger from minnesota on the democratic line. caller: mi on? ok. -- am i on. trumps a con artist. hillary clinton didn't lie about her e-mails. they didn't have the confidential label on. hundred 10 e-mails did not have a confidential label on she didn't know they were confidential. plus the extra three that is talking about. we have founding fathers, we have 200 years of fathers of our country. i want my country to have a mother. thank you. from fayetteville, new jersey on the independent line. caller: thank you. i'm just calling because i am listening to all this.

i have been watching this race for whole year. for donald trump and for people who think trump will change because he is reading from a written speech is kind of crazy. i will be voting for hillary hunton fraud the fact that i have seen that -- what she has some. she has it been record. there isn't anyone out there that doesn't have some kind of fault with them. for this man to think that she will be the next president is kind of funny. when it comes to hillary clinton's record what stands out in your mind? caller: i watch her getting ,ealth care for children helping out with the veterans. -- when she was

a senator of new york she was good. they voted or her twice did for people to come up and say there is something wrong with her and then to keep repeating the lie that she is untrustworthy. tell me what she is untrustworthy about. they have had a hearings for benghazi and she left right in their faces. i don't think she did anything wrong. there's no president, go back to george bush. they started all of this. thousands of people died and i don't see anyone going to trial that. subject topp is several stores is mine. a look atials taking what is happening in congress.

the likelihood of its ratification in congress appears we. dent u.s.ould credibility. if you go to the business section of the new york times is morning, just saying that come this fall a push on getting that passed saying that mr. obama ratified for the record -- accord. fairfax, virginia, republicans line. your next. caller: just wanted to comment on donald trump business

practices. i am one understood -- 100% for him. upre are some new people there that our employees that don't understand how a business is run. they are not run in a black and white fairytale way. it is for the good of the business sometimes you have to lay off workers. you have to file bank sees or the good of the business. -- bankruptcy for the good of the business. complaining that he didn't pay a few people. if he did that the whole company would be at risk. you would jeopardize a lot more job. udall -- you don't always hit a home run as a business owner. you keep fighting and moving forward. that's the thing people don't understand. you can be a hall of fame based on player if you only get three

out of 10 hits. you still go to the hall of fame if you strike out sometimes. if you are looking for someone who never make your living in a fairy tale. that's how businesses run. hopefully people will realize that. fight for the country and treat the country as a help theand do well to country. caller: i would like to make two points. there are so many opinions coming into the middle -- mix. in 2015 we hads five local elections. decide whating to to do with two tons of chemical waste.

span could find a and a vote of confidence website where the president or any member of congress or any judge, people can call in with their computers and give a vote ,f confidence or he down vote at least that way people would know what is going on. before you go can i ask your question? thatentioned third parties you yourself like a third hardy candidate over mr. trump or mrs. clinton? caller: i had a difficult time for that. i don't want my vote to be wasted. both of them have good ideas but

i would be scared to death to have donald trump in if there's not a vote of confidence website that he will honor. host: among gary johnson and stein whoe, -- jill do you like? caller: i don't. later on in this program you'll get to meet an independent residential candidate that just enter the race in early august. he will tell you about his candidacy and why he is running 9:15 easternon at standard time. from holiday, florida on the demo rats line. caller: the only thing i want to say is for the people that want to know the truth go watch bob hartley on free tv.

why do you think they tell you the truth? caller: he will tell you what is going on in the republican party . lillie in hollywood, florida, joining us on the line for dumb rap -- democrats. three months after the u.s. supreme court to seek out a compromise on the birth control mandate and obamacare, the hasnistration is saying asked the public to weigh in next month on ways to ensure women get access to

contraceptives. from salem, oregon, ron on the republican line. i am a republican. i think that hillary clinton would be a great candidate for the tv show american greed. i really do. she is the worst. why don't people open their eyes. donald trump, the way he talks i am confused.

but the better of the two evils has to be donald trump. i have to vote for him. crooked.s so they didn't help the blacks. they lied. ony put them behind them stage. it is so funny. have you ever considered a party candidate in the mix? --caller:est: they that never works. it would be great if it would. they have no chance. the clinton campaign announced yesterday that it would not accept foreign donor

nations if hillary clinton was elected president. ok -- not ok to take the money as president but yet still take the money when the policy existed when she was secretary's of state. >> when the rules were put in place they were a big burden on the foundation. important to remember what the foundation does. over 10 million people around the world get aid and light saving medication because of the foundation. it has reduced the cost of malaria drugs by 90%. it is important work. there was some foreign governments like australia and norway that had existing donations to the foundation. the foundation wanted them to be able to follow through on their commitment. it was an unprecedented step

they took in 2009. the foundation said they are prepared to take this step should hillary become president to further disclosure limits. >> is this the right policy now why not do it now? why wait until the idea of her being president? inthe foundation is doing it new orleans and it takes time when you are in a number of countries around the world to retool, refocus the mission and adapt. they receive a great deal of funding through these and it will take some time for them to readjust. more call, beaumont, texas on the independent line. i just wanted to comment on the fact the loose ship that donald trump is taking right now

in an effort to try to gain the african-american and hispanic community. after eightk that or nine months that he his statements against hispanic it and talk down to the african-americans. why would any black or suntrust him right now that he would be sincere enough to support their vote? host: that was the last call for the segment rate internet access -- segment we will have a discussion about e-mails that were sent hillary hunton during her tenure at the state department. during herclinton tenure at the state department. later on in the program how are

young voters responding to this years presidential candidates? washington journal continues after this. >> tonight on the communicators virginia commonwealth attorney mike doucette and aclu attorney on how long was meant uses cell phone tracking to find criminals and terrorist suspect. the way they operate is by impersonating a cell phone tower.

gatherws police to information or serum numbers and not just in the target zone but all target zones in that area. i can think of one gruesome homicide we had and let berger couple of years ago, where the case was resolved by cell tower information, but it broke the case. we would have never found the suspect. it can be helpful. >> watch it tonight on a eastern on c-span two. -- c-span2. 100 years ago president woodrow wilson signed a bill creating the national art service and thursday we look back at the past century of these caretakers of america's natural and historic treasures.

beginning at 10:00 eastern and throughout the day we take into sites across the country as recorded by c-span. at 7:00 eastern we're live from the national heart services most visited historic home, the robert e lee memorial. join us with your phone calls as we talk with robert stanton, former park service director and brenda buys the former arlington who will oversee the restoration of the mansion. thursday, the 100 anniversary of the national park service life from arlington house since 7:00 eastern and american history tv on c-span three. -- greece c-span3. washington journal continues. host: joining is tom fitton of judicial watch. for those who folks who don't know what is your organization. guest: it is a nonprofit

foundation. we find out what the government is up to and tell the people about it. we do that by the freedom of information act. theet documents about what government is doing great if they don't turn over the documents to you or a new -- ignore you you can see them in federal court. , that process is one of your claims of fame with hillary clinton's e-mails. guest: we were asking things like benghazi, the special gamete -- government employees. they were not giving us clinton's e-mails. we had this revelation through the benghazi litigation where we

pushed for the documents and they finally admitted there were documents, and it turns out it was clinton's e-mails. ,ne of our cases was reopened which led to discovery and texted by clinton aides and state department-ish -- officials. written testimony was released through judicial watch. host: the headlines from one of those stories said the judge would not allow the upper -- deposition of mrs. clinton. looking for that because it is the best way to find out information from someone. other officials had already testified. it was a commonsense request to ask for her testimony.

i thought the judge realized official,as a high it's not exactly everything we wanted but certainly it is more what mrs. clinton wanted to do. now she has to answer questions under both in written forms. we will be submitting russians to mrs. clinton and she has 30 days to respond. host: will this information then come out to the public for election day? guest: presumably. we will be filing with the court as well. it will be available to the american people area host: what are you looking for? what is it about this process that is different? ofst: the freedom information act would have covered mrs. clinton's e-mail. itre was a problem getting

search. the court has been upset at the way the law has been a banded i mrs. clinton's e-mail practices. it, it is of interest to the court. host: our guest joining us to talk about the process you have heard about, if you want to ask them questions it is 202-748-8001 for republicans, for democrats 202-748-8000 and for independents 202-748-8002. the judges decision and about secretary clinton in -- providing responses, we want to get your response. deadlinee judges set a whereby the group in question did submit those.

will get toecretary work right away on answering them. let's step back and look at the origin of all of this. the right wing and republicans in congress are not fans by what the answer that the career professionals and the justice department gave us. they said there was no case. this is an example of a right wing group trying to keep the questions coming here the american people have all the information. the e-mails have been released. they have enough to make a judgment at this point. we at the campaign want to talk about the issues that people care about, like jobs, college affordability and health care. >> that some like a note. >> if the judge asked her to answer the question she will get to work right away to get the questions answered. that people have all the information, how do you respond to that. guest: the clinton camp try to

make this argument to the court. and the court rejected it. what i hear there is no wiggle room as to whether they will even respond as required by the court. ison't know, the other thing that we have all these e-mails coming out that led the clinton foundation to say eventually they will stop taking donations. that's a result of e-mail disclosures by judicial watch. juvenile anding is a surprising. i don't know why they're screaming about judicial watch when it is the court requiring them to answer the question. we have to make sure we have all of our ducks in a row. we will look at those very carefully and recognizing

there's a 30 day window for mrs. clinton to respond. we will move quickly. host: is her process that she can hold off? guest: it sounds like they're objecting to some of the russians and we may not get the answers to what we were seeking. -- objecting to some of the questions. let's hear from pat from florida, democrats line. hearde on with tom fenton --. caller: judicial watch, thank you for your work. the frosting on the cake for the clintons. any other realistic election 20 years ago, 15 years ago, she wouldn't have a political life are there would be nothing that she would probably

be indicted for these things. i come from a back around 60 years ago to be able to vote in therado and i went through , tophone playing president put a line through glass-steagall. here are e-mails that blatantly show that the foundation took foreign donations when she was secretary of state. there is no way on god's green earth this would have been allowed in any other era. this fish stinks from the head down. if she is tied to blame all the subordinates below her, the dnc in the foundation managers for doing this, this will be a disaster for politics in america. host: thank you. it's interesting

that there's concern about mrs. clinton, we have seen that a lot, people of the left that were not concerned about the government who had concerned about -- concerns about her. real law has to apply whether or not they are running for office. host: from michigan, independent line, steve is up next. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. i wanted to ask is german what his -- gentleman what his career is. everybody that crosses the committing the suicide or in a plane crash. i'm not worried about that. we have been battling clinton

corruption since the 1990's, as she will be happy to tell you. mrs. linton is someone who scares people sometimes because of her misconduct. i'm not terribly concerned about that. host: democrat from windsor, maryland. caller: i'm at first a christian. what you guys are talking about this is a way to derail mrs. clinton. are you just doing this so you can get a little bit more work nottrump, why are you guys investigating mr. trump on the

university? can you tell me one single thing clinton has done that has given -- somebody who lost a job -- i will take my answer from you are you this is all a creation of mrs. clinton appeared we did not know about the e-mails. it was the revelations last year that led to our pursuing this. we were not sure if she was running or all this. -- we had a right to these records whether or not she ran for office. it is mrs. clinton was trying to offend the system, and the state

department is slow walking the release of these records. the election is intruding on the rule of law here. we are trying to stop that from happening by getting answers in a timely way that we should have gotten in some cases years ago. but she hid her e-mails and these are the concert wants is for when you do something wrong or it -- when you do something wrong. these are circumstances of her own making. we are always looking at mr. trump. he will see what happens there. i don't find many complaints about his university. lawsuit a class action which deserve skepticism. he has testified on the -- under a. -- under both. both.

as things come up in the news we are looking at them and trying to eager out what it is we can do to uncover government documents of his operations or conduct. host: massachusetts on the republican line. pam, go ahead. i want to thank tom for everything he is doing. . one of the conversations and names that came up between the clinton, the state department and the foundation was --. who is he and why is the important? guest: he's a lebanese business plan -- businessman who paid 10 million dollars to settle charges of political malfeasance who was a major donor to the clinton foundation.

he pledged one million dollars for a global initiative row foundation.obal he tried to get a meeting with a top official in lebanon and the state department. he got special attention from the state department. host: guest: mrs. clinton made some promises relating to keep a separate wall from the foundation and state department business. question where it

was illegally used to benefit a since the man or the foundation. host: the washington post editors said the behavior depicted in the e-mails -- they conduct of diplomacy. guest: that's just a naive point of view. everyone knew policy and to the clinton foundation and by giving money directly to them during her tenure. that's why her fees skyrocketed while she was eight. that's why her foundation increased its activity. politicians abroad see this as an opportunity to reference through accessing our uranium market.

releasingaterial today showing that crown prince of bahrain went through clinton in order to obtain a meeting with clinton. is essentiallye a foreign head of a government. she couldn't get a meeting through official channels and had to go through the foundation's. billion to the clinton foundation's global initiatives. host: what happens today? has uncovered e-mails that this is clint -- that mrs. clinton tried to hide from the american people. they promise to give them priority because we have freedom of information act pending. 50,000 e-mails were released.

we will try to get the documents and see how ugly the government is willing to turn them over to us. anything of particular interest to you? host: we don't know what they are and. be howthe debate will quickly they can be released or in --. now we are talking potentially every 15,000 more e-mails being subject to review. david from vermont, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to ask about not tor, is decision recommend an indictment when he couldn't show intent.

all classified information sent to her knowingly and willingly unsecured and unauthorized e-mail server which we know because the ag of the state department told us to achieve knowingly told her subordinate in the state department to ,emove classified information to have it sent to her e-mail server which she knew she did not have permission to have. she claims she didn't send or receive less a fight information but we have an e-mail showing to send it to her e-mails. you.: i agree with the investigation that the

statement was half a. it was political. he essentially concluded she violated the law but she shouldn't be prosecuted because it wouldn't a fair. i don't understand how that should be the appropriate response to the misconduct. host: oklahoma, democrats line. glenn, good morning. that hillary is guilty. government, especially obama is helping her. he is covering up so she can get the president. host: that's glenn in oklahoma. guest: i agree politics are intruding on the administration of justice by the state

and often times you see the department of justice and the state of art meant trying to defend everything mrs. clinton did. republican line, tom in virginia. you're next. caller: i've been following judicial watch for a long time. going and doing the work you do. guest: thank you very much. supportunded with the of the american people. we have 400,000 supporters. can go to judicial watch.org and support us that way. judicial watch.org and you can find more information about that. a couple of members of the house are taking a look. what do you think about judiciary chairman and the oversight chairman on this.

do you think that will get anywhere? guest: i don't know if it will get anywhere concerning the justice department. lynch meetingta bill clinton is so much consternation. this is a good example of why the f investigation was so half a. -- half baked. they have to come back and asked them to do an investigation 101 that they should have done initially. i think a new justice department will have to look up his criminal conduct -- potential criminal conduct of mrs. clinton. the state department should do it.

-- justice department. we have to have an expectation that an independent serious criminal investigation due to the allegations it --. is from bothon political parties is it doesn't matter who is in office. there is an x lactation -- expectation that it should be done and that justice is being fully administered. just because mrs. clinton wins we should not assume that there won't be a further investigation by the justice department. wisconsin on our democrats line, diana. caller: i kind of think it is a sad day for our country when you have a group of people such as that you do, which i'm sure you mean well, but you question the

integrity and the honesty of an f ei person who has been elected by republicans and democrats. you question everything. the only thing you don't question as far as i'm concerned is donald trump. if he is supposed to be president why are you not pursuing his taxes? why are you not looking into sexual allegations? why are you missing this university inc.. that's a rip off to the american people. -- you should be pursuing this as strongly as you are all the questions that people are throwing out there about donald trump. you are looking at the screen right now and years filing like this is funny. it's not. important decision

for the people in this country. i think you need to take as many days or months or years or whatever that you have since 1990 you said you have been filing questions. on one side of your face you say that in the you said we just found out about this. you can't have it both ways. you can't say you have been pursuing her sense 1990, or both of them since 1990 and then recently found out this or that. spent a getting at is lot of time on donald trump, please. host: mrs. clinton was secretary of state. we have the vehicle to access that information. my view is that we don't just go after someone or maketh equivocation between conduct is a politician.

talk about mr. trump's university issue may be interesting in a political -- way, but the rule of law was complied with the administration by the united states of america. and by hillary linton who was secretary of state. mr. trump was never a government official. it is much harder to get conduction about his than it is mrs. clinton. in the clinton years when we were founded in 1994, people said we were anti-clinton. george w. bush's administration twice as much as the clintons administration. believe me, depending on how the out, we willn

continue our government accountability activities no matter who is in office. we are not naive that a change in party will lead to a change in the culture of corruption. of information were you looking forward the former vice president cheney? guest: we challenge the administration's policy on security. he brought in energy lobbyists and all sorts of people to energy. he discussed operations. litigation before judge sullivan , a judge appointed by president clinton himself. we fought and won and lost and we lost before the supreme court but we got tens of thousands of documents out of the administration. it was a victory for george bush.

it made a change in the freedom .f information or -- act it made it more open. there was good reason president obama ran to be the most transparent president in history, promising to be, because of the bush secrecy. unfortunately, it turned out president obama has been about as secretive as you can get. host: when you make a request how long does it take to get a response? guest: it depends it depends onw forthcoming government wants to be. under law, they are supposed to respond within 20 days or so. wait -- we are willing to wait a few months because we know that government takes a long time. to getwe have to sue them to tell us yes or no. the more politically sensitive the request, the more difficult

it is to get information in a timely way, and that is why we are often in court. we sue to the and them -- the administration over 300 times to get information under the act. host: is it highly redacted? guest: it depends. topic of national security, it will often be highly redacted. that is something that is the administration is not required to do, but they choose to do it. host: this is dena on our and underline. -- independent line. caller: those e-mails the clinton has, are -- even though they knew that she was deleting e-mails and had

privilege to confidential they hadon even though the capacity to get into those e-mails. the second question is, with the benghazi e-mails that she sent her daughter, chelsea, telling her that we were under attack and that night, the people, was in that enough information to get her indicted? i think it was scandalous, but not enough to get her indicted. her lawyers arguing on her behalf also looked at the e-mails, and i don't know if they deleted them or not. they did have access to the e-mails the caller was concerned

about and other people expressed concerned about their access and whether they should have had the access that was given. evidently the justice department does not think that is a big deal. host: the written statement you received from mrs. clinton, did she pen it herself? guest: my guess is the lawyers would help her, but in the end, she is responsible for them and it is for the purpose -- purposes of the court and it should be assumed that when she gives her answers, they are her answers under penalty of perjury. she is directly responsible for her answers. host: richard in louisville, thank you for calling, republican line. caller: when bill clinton was president, there was a guy named rich, mark rich, who fled the country.

i don't know what his crimes were, but it was bad enough to where he had to leave his country and go overseas and couple of days before bill clinton left, he pardoned the guy. now i find out that there is a -- am id security saying that right? guest: i think so. caller: a business partner of that business partner of rich? guest: i have read reports about that. caller: that this guy is a partner of mark rich, and now he is making millions with hillary clinton while she was in the state department, and gave money to the clinton foundation. this past january, i changed parties. i was a democrat for 44 years and i changed parties so that i could vote in the republican

primary in kentucky. i voted for ted cruz, but i promise you i will not vote democrat because of this terrible way that bill and hillary clinton have treated this country. i was aamed to say that democrat, thank you very much. guest: it is interesting that this is someone that bill clinton may pal around with, let alone the state department would give the time of day to. host: to the meeting ever take place? -- did the meeting ever take place? guest: we don't know. query -- said the she was going to reach out to this gentleman, and he said at our member meeting with him or that it happened, but in our

view, we want the documents, so we are asking documents about that meeting to see if it did happen. host: line for democrats. melvin from south carolina. caller: good morning. and i am anrat, american, part of the american people that you are talking about. talk aboutu guys these e-mails, the more you make us vote for hillary even more. the lady has been on there for 11 hours, and you guys just pick and pick and there is nothing there. are you guys that big of a sore loser that you can't accept defeat? andnot leave the lady alone we could be doing progress with this country. people need to get on and get a life. guest: we think the public

interest demands accountability for ms. clinton's misconduct on this e-mail scandal, and partisans who support her may be turned off by that, but this is a nonpartisan enterprise, and we would be doing this whether or not she was running for office, and i have a feeling we would have an easier time getting access to these e-mails if she were not running for the presidency, but as a result, it is impacting the process. host: he called your efforts a waste of time. guest: it has led to the shutting down of the clinton global initiative, that was announced after the release of -- a little the foundation announcing it was no longer take for donations, there has been a lot of back and or the about whether that is a serious proposal and why they did not do that before. if it was just judicial watch, and we did not have anything to back this up, why would the

clintons personally change their foundation in response to our disclosures? it is a testament to our fine work, admittedly, but it's also a testament to the fact that these e-mails are really concerning to people across the political spectrum and you see editorials and it was the boston the pro --alled on foundation to shut down completely and stop taking donations. host: texas, independent line. they wanted to bring i hader poll numbers, but a bet with a friend of mine, thee does the -- where to attack take place, was of the cia headquarters or a safe house? there was an attack at a

special mission compound that was a cause i'd have diplomatic facility and later at the cia annex that was supporting our operations. was everything -- was there ever a stand down order given? the cia security people said there was a standdown order and the military was never deployed. you don't need to tell someone to stand down if you don't tell them to get going. caller: who was the order giving body? guest: allegedly by the chief of also inx, and there was benghazi, we found through mrs.ls recently that clinton and the obama administration was offered libya to be devoid in

immediately after the attack took place, and it was not taken up in a timely way and arguably, those troops could have gotten there in time to support the men who came under attack several hours later where just for men were killed. host: james is up next from washington state, democrat line. guest: good morning. caller: good morning. i'm wondering how many positions you have made to the clintons. guest: dozens, at least. the clinton e-mail issue has led to many requests under the freedom of information act. i'm not embarrassed by our record going after clinton corruption. during the clinton years, you had abuse of the irs and issues

with foreign threats, threats and intimidation against witnesses who were seen as adverse to the clintons. abuse of the fbi, a terrible record of corruption and one of the things we highlighted when mrs. clinton came in was warm the administration and warned the american public that this corruption would continue she was made secretary of state and we were proven right. host: georgia, sam, good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. thank you for your work. i have a couple of statements. i was in the military for 24 years and when i got access to classified it nation, i had to do -- sign a disclosure statement and/or ever the phone -- the form, but it said if i mishandled information about the subject to 10 years in prison, when ms.ondering if

clinton was signed into secretary of state if she had to sign something like that. guest: i don't member if she signed it, initially, but i am hesitant and saying it on tv, but she may have sign something, initially. there is also leaving the agency form, which has similar type language, and she did not sign that one, going out. she took those documents and she had no right to take them. just an unbelievable violation of law, and you call it right in the sense that lower-level officials have suffered severe consequences for arguably lesser crimes related to the mishandling of government information. host: former secretary of state: how -- secretary of state: powell --

you should not have been doing government business on his private e-mail account, either, but that was a yahoo! type account. he did not set up a server to do his private business or government business. when mrs. clinton came into office, they had a nonclassified e-mail system for her to use, that she could have used, but she declined. host: do you think we will see practices of private e-mail use change because of this incident? guest: i hope so, but it continues. you have ash carter who was caught doing it after the scandal broke. you have jeh johnson and the department of homeland security, given waivers to access personal e-mails be a government computers, despite security concerns.

the government does not want you to know what they are doing and that is true of either a republican or democrat administration. the widespread use of e-mail and other internet media like text messaging is a challenge, because the government officials know there are ways eating things from us, so we have to keep on tracking it. host: we will take one more call for our guest, sam from georgia on our line or republicans. -- republicans -- four republicans -- for republicans. independentton has classification authority and that means on her own, she needs to be responsible for recognizing anything that is classified. you don't get that by playing ignorant to what information is classified and what isn't. i think it is called

original classification authority and not many government shoals have it, but among like mrs. clinton is someone who is supposed to recognize classified material to maket it accordingly sure that classified materials are handled appropriately. host: what -- walk us through what is next. guest: we will be composing and sending questions, we will be debating with the state department how quickly we get the e-mails that the fbi recovered and there will be more e-mails coming out, this week, talking about the clinton foundation's connections to the state department and that will only add to the questions and concerns. before a judge today, we are going to talk about the e-mails that the fbi recovered from mrs. clinton's evil -- deleted e-mails and found elsewhere that she did not turn over to the

state department. the fbi has turned those over. the state department is supposed to turn them over to us under litigation and we are wondering when we will get those e-mails that is what we will talk about, in court. we're talking about at least 15,000 documents. host: president of judicial watch and website if you want to look at what they are doing and the things they have done with secretary of state clinton, judicialwatch.org. guests say, her has to go to court to take care of these things. we will continue with called you concerning the e-mail practices of the former secretary of state, hillary clinton. he will not be here to respond, but you can make comments about them. republicans, (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000.

.ndependents, (202)-748-8002 you can make comments to the e-mail practices topic and even though our guest will not be here, and still make your comment or statement. we will continue on our conversation with gwen from alabama, democrat line. thank you for calling. caller: good morning. -- they have been after the clintons for years and it is nothing new. like bernie sanders, i am sick and tired of hearing about the e-mails. the fbi said she did not have anything to be prosecuted for and when he made the statement,

they have been a the clintons not whetherut it is or not she has been accused of murder, it's whether they have been convicted of murder. hillary clinton has not been convicted of any crime that these republicans and judicial watch have brought up against them. hillary clinton will not be prosecuted for these e-mails, so the -- they need to move on. -- i don'tcan party know why these people that are calling in don't see this. we need something done in this country. when you something done for poverty, we need something done for roads and infrastructure and bridges. we don't need a lot of these charges they keep trying to bring up against the clintons. let's hear from sean,

florida, independent. i really wanted to talk to that guy. to go to court, but we are continuing the conversation. what is it, judicial watch? because i am an independent, so i am no fan of clinton, i'm no fan of donald trump. i am no fan of the left or the right. is thing i wanted to ask him from my standpoint, the whole -- everything is messed up. these are people that make deals that affect money all through their careers, then they get out of their career and they make a

bunch of money, because all the deal they made while they were working, and a lot of them doing -- do it while they were working. n, it not just congressme is presidents. nobody talks about all the money george bush made when he left. that is what everybody should be having a big deal about, i think that guy should be brought up on charges. he started a war for nothing. nobody even says anything, but that is how -- wife's people -- why people are so frustrated. people are talking about somebody who did e-mails in a couple of people got killed at an embassy, which is bad, but people got killed that embassies while george bush was in charge. host: we go next to dorothy in oregon. caller: i was listening to that is -- if he is not

partial, then so is david duke, because everything he had to say -- he did not verify anything, there was no contrast to anything he ever did as far as republicans were concerned. if he was nonpartisan, why is it that everything is on hillary clinton, and they have been watching her for what? 11 years? it is just ridiculous. it sounds to me that they loaded the phones again with people, i was a democrat for a 100 years and i quit because hillary. hillary has done nothing compared to what the republicans have done to us. look at the thousands of people

george bush and cheney got murdered over there in a war because somebody insulted his daddy. look at donald trump doing deals with the russians, and he will mention that, does that not matter? he is asking to be president of the notice states and he and his -- he and his cohorts are doing deals with the russians and the russians are acting on their behalf supporting them. give america a break. this man was so corrupt and i don't even understand why you guys had him on the show. host: david from new york, republican. i have a real big statement and i think that the justice department is crooked. putink that the people that to me in charge of the fbi and the investigation came straight out and set we have the evidence

, but we are not going to prosecute, and it has to fall down on the justice department, the justice department has to take this seriously, and prosecute without any judgment toward anybody or any bias towards anybody, and just look at the facts and prosecute, thank you. host: james comey the topic of a editorial the came up -- came out on august 29, -- august 19 and the editors of the los angeles times say the understand why he departed from the usual axis of going public, not to recommend any charges against london, exercise and transparency and continued with his parents last month to answer questions about his recommendation. secretary of state clinton is after all a candidate but he -- komi indulge congress too much by turning over the e-mails, a step that is unusual, even if the information is not lead to a

big yes running the issue, turning over to a highly politicized committee, the content of fbi interviews could make witnesses and sensitive cases think twice about cooperating. woody from california, independent. a lot of people are overlooking that the reason why she can't answer any of these questions about the e-mails or anything else is if she let the fbi director no for a second that she understood something as basic as what a classified document looked like, she would be guilty of the crime everyone is accusing her of, so she literally has to play dumb and she has to continue to play dumb all the way to the white house on knowing what a classified document looks like, otherwise she is guilty and could go to

jail and it is kind of a sad for the first woman president to have to play dumb, but it is what she has to do to stay out of jail. host: los angeles, good morning to larry, one for democrats. -- lying for democrats -- line for democrats. caller: i'm calling in on the democrat line, and i am a democrat, but i don't care where the corruption is coming from, whether it is democrat or republican. i'm willing to look at the evidence and let the chips fall where they may. clintono say that mrs. -- i worked for the government for 30 years, six in the military and also about 28 years as a contractor, and i had to sign a nondisclosure document,

and it is called a form nine, and you can be fined or even you incarceration if violate that act, and there are things that you do not discuss or put on e-mails. people talking about classified, that is wrong, you were not was to come close to discussing or -- smitting any you know when you are coming close to that line, and i was on duty 20 47 -- 24/7. sounds like you are supportive of activities such as judicial watch. caller: look what happened to mid -- mr. richard nixon. he denied all the way to the point where he was firing people

to keep people from disclosing information. you have to be honest, come clean and one last thing i would like to say. they put so much emphasis on the presidency and the president doing this, that and the other. when you get down to it, all three branches of government have to be held accountable for a lot of the missteps and things that go wrong in this country. host: again, getting your thoughts on the practices of e-mail by former secretary of state hillary clinton. gail from kentucky, republican. commenti just have to if there is not anything in the e-mails that proves she is guilty, why did she hide them? why did she try to get rid of them? why doesn't she just bring

them out and prove that everybody is wrong? host: we will take one more call. mark, independent in ohio. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i get here anything. host: you are on. -- i can't hear anything. host: you are on. caller: everybody who looks over one of the most important pieces of evidence and that evidence is the fact that the republicans shut down security, they voted againsfurther security for benghazi. you don't think with all the hacking going on with our great computers that the other side found that out and took advantage? powell andhat, colon condoleezza rice all did the same thing. isis, which dick

cheney and george w. bush created. how many tens of thousands of people, innocent or not, have died because of that? this guy talks about clinton and corruption. there has never been in any corruption found in the -- in anything they have gone after. this guy is the most partisan person that you guys keep bringing this subject up and we need to move on. let's talk about something that will enhance our country, such as unconstitutional school funding. now: we will change topics, and talk about young voters in election 2016, the issues resonating most with them. we will learn more from k keller shema ginsburg k -- fromei kawashima-ginsberg.

-- discusses why he is in and what he hopes to achieve. all of that as washington journal continues, next. ♪ >> today marks the 20th 1996 welfaref the law, passed by a republican congress and signed by president bill clinton, our program looks back at the senate debate over the 1996 law. >> the current welfare system has failed the very families it was intended to serve. >> i don't know many people who want to humiliate themselves standing in a line, waiting for their welfare check. there are some cheats out there, they are out there, no question about it. , are of those people simply people who have not discovered a way out of their

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she serves as their director, good morning. guest: good morning. host: tell us about your organization. guest: circle is a nonpartisan independent research part of the that is college of civic like -- civic life at tuscan university. we focus on studying and understanding and promoting young people civic learning and engagement. our backers are primarily foundation grants and federal grants. as part of the college, we receive support from the families that support the whole college. host: as far as this election, what is of most interest to young voters and could you describe what you mean by a young voter? speaking, wheny young people are discussed, they

usually mean citizens under 30, but we also focus on millennials who are now turning 34 or 35. millennial,ou say there was a recent headline in the washington post and i want to read it to you. for millennial voters, the clinton versus trump choice feels like a joke. do you get that kind of sentiment? i want to start by saying that young people are not just one group had the same opinions and behaviors. there are certainly young people who would sharply disagree with that view and feel that this choice is important and relevant. there are young people who really feel that this political system, especially at the federal level, has been alienating and distant, and so whatever they do will have no impact on what is going to happen to the nation and particularly who is going to run the federal government. host: we will continue our

conversation about young people and what he described as millennial voters in campaign 2016. we want to give the phone lines if you want to call in. if you fall00 between the ages of 13 -- 18 and 35. .or all others, (202)-748-8001 could you talk about the candidates, specifically? let's start with mrs. clinton. how is she doing amongst young people and can you contrast that with how president obama did? guest: ms. clinton has been doing what she can to regain support and trust from the young people. season, onary average, she gained 28% support from young voters who participated in democratic primaries, compared to just about close to 70% that mr.

sanders got. her support was significant -- significantly lower. she received 56% on average from the overall voter electorate. really largegap is and unfortunately, it did not shrink over the primary season. we tracked all the way to west virginia when she gained 25% support from young voters and much higher from older voters. now that the polling is happening after the convention, young people do seem to be planning to vote or mrs. clinton , especially compared to donald trump, the support for mrs. clinton is far higher, especially for african-american youth and young women. compared to president obama, the support he received in 2008 was a little more enthusiastic. that said, young people make decisions about later than older voters, so although it is august

and it seems like the election is right around the corner, mrs. clinton's campaign and her supporters have a lot of work that they can do in order to regain support from the young people. host: how does donald trump do? guest: he is doing quite poorly among young people. there are few young people who participated in the republican primaries, but about 35% of them actually did vote for mr. trump, but those are very partisan voters. when we look at the national voting trend for young people and what they plan to do, mr. trump's support is far lower. the tracks around 20% among young people compared to mrs. clinton. there are a large number of undecided voters, but he is very unpopular, especially among minority youth and young women. on thisrcles research

is available on their website if you want to find the specifics. could you talk about the reaction donald trump gets from the people you talk to and why do you think that is translating to the numbers he is seeing? one of the markers of the millennial generation is that this is the most diverse and a military and generation of all time. when you contrast what they say about how they see themselves and a generation, which is that they really embrace diversity, they embrace friends and family who are different from themselves, of different racial backgrounds and religious backgrounds, they have grown up with that ideology and that is how they see the united states. withdonald trump comes in his rhetoric about restricting the doors to the united states, hoping that the united states will become the way it was 30 or 40 years ago, many young people feel alienated from that in

fact, about 20 -- 40% of young americans are nonwhite, meaning they have some, minority background and about 20% have immigrant backgrounds. host: when it comes to mrs. explain howd, she gets those typical type of voters to come to her. guest: there are a segment of young voters who are passionately supporting hillary clinton and want to volunteer for her campaign and a really hoping that she will make their vision of the future come true. the skeptics are coming from different places. part of the skeptic -- skeptics would be senator sanders supporters to feel her all of his were not progressive enough. they really need to see at least some aspect of their vision of the future, realized in her policies. for others, it is about having an impact in the national politics, and hoping that their votes count, but also their

voice really matters and how she makes decisions with her colleagues, and that trust, and the way that she talks about herself and how she keeps her promise and stays accountable to the public really matters for young people. host: your first call is from a win in connecticut for those, 18 to 35. caller: i wanted to make a comment about some of the attitudes towards young voters. ands such a loaded topic people expect me to vote a certain way because of my age and where i live, and i think that is one of the main things that attracted young voters to bernie sanders was that he wanted to of the minimum wage and that is one of the major things that young voters care about. in germany, all the unemployed people are considered retired.

-- somebody who works 40 hours week does not have to rely on a government check, every year. that is one of the major driving point of this election. we talk about the minimal wage, we should be talking about a maximum wage. you make $100 million a year, is that not enough? people and went to college with you go we make enough money if you make $100 billion a year per company that you own. host: what is your thinking as far as who you will vote for? caller: i'm supporting hillary clinton at the moment. i think that she is the better option of the two. i don't support all of her views, but you hear the lesser

of two evils. it is still your civic duty to vote, even if you are a young person -- good morning and thank you so much for your comment. i cannot agree more, but there is a strong sentiment among young people about the economic inequality and economic mobility and how difficult it has been for the millennial generation. they were graduating from high school and college when the great recession hit, so they had a very difficult start. career, a family or managing school and finances every day, and that struggle continues because the youth unemployment rate continues to be high. in addition to things like college affordability, which has been discussed heavily, other everyday issues really matter for young people and this is

what i mean by young people being diverse. some people care about college debt and college accessibility and others care about rental leave and minimum wage. they are in different places and different issues matter. host: new york, on our -- caller: i agree with the previous caller, that a lot of young people are primarily interested in minimum wage. they want to know that they can go to work and make enough money to be able to take care of themselves or for to go to school a lot easier and the second biggest thing is to be able to go to college like we used to do. i came to new york from florida when i was six years old. middle two years before

the civil rights were enacted. we had all kinds of programs and people could go to college for free and get at least a two-year degree. situation wasic tight enough, you could still -- you've even get a four-year degree for free. you have to be very poor, nowadays or you will get sacked with debt. art school for two semesters ran up $20,000. young people can't survive with the incomes that we are getting nowadays in this job market with that kind of debt, so they would be more interested in things like that, as well as the minimum wage, those are two issues that will impact it a lot . young people who may also

make above minimum wage still have continuing issues with things like underemployment, or young people are having to take what is called gate economy jobs. they may drive uber as a part-time worker or do graphic design on a contract to contract basis, or work for starbucks, part-time. many of these jobs, some come with benefits and some don't. when you think about the long-term economic well-being of young people, we have to think about how we are supporting people, not just raise minimum wage, what support workforce development and labor. the twolisten to callers, we really understand that young people do need more support and making a better future for themselves, not just in the wage. host: do social issues come into play? guest: absolutely. that people are paying attention to income inequality, but also

racism, police brutality has issue for young people, it is becoming stronger and's younger. the most recent poll conducted shows that that was actually a top issue for people under age 30, especially for african-american, latino and asian youth. that is another area where young people are starting to see how the race politics impact everybody's -- people's everyday lives. nathan8 to 35, this is in indiana. caller: my primary concern with this election is with the lack of media coverage with the progressive and independent hearties. the candidates don't really have an option to go on public debates with the republican and democratic parties unless they reach a certain level of acceptance in polls.

a lot of people our age some of the know much about these invisible polls, and i don't think it is right that they should be pretty much left in the background, rather than be able to stand up on equal ground with the republican and democrat parties. host: who is your candidate of interest? caller: jill stein. host: thank you. guest: it is a great point that you bring up, and the polls of young people actually show that about 80% of young people don't know enough about joel stein or gary johnson to answer questions about whether they like them or not. look at the ideological distribution of the young people, it is much more complex than republicans or democrats. a good chunk of young people have progressive views in terms of things like gay marriage, but

also conservative views when it comes to policy, so some of these young people feel themselves in between two parties or do not feel as though they have a ideological home in a democratic or republican party and might find that jill stein's policy or gary johnson's platform is more attractive and it is true that they have not had an opportunity to find out more. host: if you're interested in finding out more about them, our newsmakers program has conducted on interviews with both. you can see jill stein, as well as gary johnson. you can go to our website at c-span.org and find not only those interviews, but other interviews and forums conducted with those candidates. roger is in indiana on our others line. thank: i would like to all the young people for voting and i wish there were more of them. the more people that vote, the

less likely there is a chance for everything to the rigged. -- to be rated. i have -- rigged. i have been a lifelong democrat but after these last two elections, i have become independent. trump'sn, i like donald immigration policies because i -- oure are losing american way, to immigrants, it seems like they are colonizing us and i am not immigrant -- against legal immigration and i am for hillary because of her economic views so it is a tough call for me, thank you. guest: i want to react really quickly. the sentiment that you have about feeling perhaps threatened by immigrants and people coming from the south, some of the young people feel the same way.

i have to emphasize, not all young people are democrats and many did support donald trump and others who are looking for much more restrictive measures to regulate immigration and --se young people do in fact and we have to remember that even more relevant as if people are trying to get into college, in affirmative action, it has been an issue, recently are trying to get into the workforce and just looking for every entry -- rtunity into caller: i agree that the issue for my generation is social as well as economic, and student loan debt, but i feel that our generation is also more informed, and when i think -- my

foot to people in my age group, a lot of us believe that both candidates for the main parties represent oligarchy and that is why we supported bernie sanders. in thes no alternative sense of third parties that can win, due to the first past the post system that we have. i know a lot of people that just aren't going to vote. host: the people that are not going to vote, do you get that sentiment as well from people you talk with? guest: that is one of the things we worry about and it is one of the things coming out as a possibility. this is what i say about the campaign having such a huge opportunity to really convention people to make the choice.

i would also say that it is not just about the presidential election. while i agree that many young people feel that the escrow candidates on the tickets may not represent either of their views on what they want to see, but some of the changes really happen at the congressional level and the local level and those candidates, if we take the time to find out more about them, they would have more opportunity to show what they can do, but also young people have an opportunity to really change what they think about you and people and their votes, because they -- the of people's vote counts more at the local level -- the young people's vote counts more at the local level. how is that information being pretrade? where are they going for their sources? sourcethe most common that people -- that young people find their news from is their peers.

that is partly because they trust peers more than mainstream media in some way. they of course trust the authority of major outlets, but at the same time, they have a sentiment that they can't just take the information as it comes and it can't be fed to them. they had to make a judgment about what they can believe in what they can trust, and some of them really feel that there is little they can trust, so their friends are one of the few sources that they can really trust. host: the organization known as the center for information and research on to the learning and engagement, circle and our guest is the director of circle. civicyouth.org. if you want more information that they provide on young voters. fill in pennsylvania, on our line for others -- bill in pennsylvania, on our line for others. caller: the youth has to come up

. you have to raise your kids in the right way. we don't have any fathers and mothers. most of these kids wind up in jail. when you have four or five kids you family on welfare and are going to kill society. when you have a sovereign country, you can't have an open border. we have immigration people and immigration is great in this country, it is what built this country. saying to getot rid of it, he just wants to make this country great again.

the parents have to be responsible. the government does not have a right to raise your kids. thank you for the call and thank your for your candor. what he is saying is that donald trump to really fix the country and that is what we hear. at the same time, i wonder if parents can play a role in doing a better job in creating active citizens. it is a small thing, not a big thing about having a lecture about how to vote, it starts much earlier with every day dinner and breakfast where parents and grandparents and caring adults can really to kids about what it is -- what the responsibility is to have a voice and those things are the building blocks of civic engagement. they don't just turning the voters when they turn 18. that training, so to say, starts

when they are little. they really need to change the way we think about educating young people or civic life, and it is not just about these civic election cycles, it is much bigger than that. asks on twitter, a viewer it college-educated youth are more likely to reflect the political views of their professors. guest: that is an interesting question. college is a really formative time in young people's development, and college education is not really about just hearing what college professors think about specific issues or which party they belong to. it is about challenging what they come in with, and in fact many come in thinking a lot more like their parents, but this is

when they start to solidify their civic and political identity, through courses, discussion with friends who are different from them in terms of political ideologies. it is not just about learning to be like telling professors, it is about developing their own view based on solid information and really active discussions about civic and political lives. host: we will hear next from ross on our line for 18 to 35. caller: hello. david duke was stealing for a long time, and -- [indiscernible] host: that was the previous topic, next we will hear from

jeff from nebraska on our line for others. i just hope that the younger generation understands schools don't teach history, any longer. the colleges and universities are absolutely no doubt, owned by the progressives and it is they are learning what their friend or cohorts -- they are learning in these universities. obviously, they are not learning the correct history. internet,e them the for instance, right now they that is absolutely accurate information about america's history. it is called hillary's america.

i'm not voting for hillary or trump, but i'm telling you if you want to know the truth, that is a very good documentary to get information from and i just hope and pray that the younger generation goes back and looks 1880 andstory beyond the reconstruction and what and what used to be the democratic party, because we don't have a democratic or republican party. guest: thank you for sharing that information. this is what it goes to, saying university and colleges are a place for active and diverse discussions. at the same time, institutions do have a responsibility to offer a different perspective to young people. inviting speakers from different partisan ideologies is one way, showing a documentary like that,

that may provide a different perspective than what you and people are used to seeing, those are the good -- for discussions about what they agree or disagree with, and that is what i mean by forming political ideology. host: talking about campaign 2016 and the youth vote. if you want to call in, for those 18 to 35, (202)-748-8000. all others, (202)-748-8001. you said earlier that not all young people vote democratic, that is far as trends go, what is the average? in the last several elections, young people have been mainly democratic. support young people for democratic party candidates pete, 66% voted for president obama.

in 2012, it was 60%. before that, the balance of votes was really more even. host: from nevada on our line for others, brad is next. caller: good morning. i would just like to say i am very proud of our millennials, this year. the bernie sanders followers, even though -- they came into it with a open mind and i hope i do not give up on it. don't say just because these two candidates you have to vote one of the other. you may be the generation of voters that actually brings us back to a democracy. get rid of the superdelegates that take your voice away. i don't know how you will work voters are you

intelligent enough that you can do this and i am proud of you guys, just don't give up. guest: thank you for that comment. i really share that sentiment. i think young people really pay attention to their impact by doing what they're really good at, which is that they feel passionate about an issue or a candidate, and using their technological proficiencies, they really organized quickly, they really quickly,ir voice very their movement really grew, and away that we cannot imagine 10 years ago or even five years ago. a way tomorials have change the way politics operates . but they have to start with voting. that is how their voice starts to count.

what do you think will be the long-term impact of bernie sanders? guest: some of it is to be determined on how the actual president is going to respond to young people. young people do need to see the impact they can make and the federal government needs to be more relevant to them if they were to continue to participate. time, young people could be doing what they can to promote the local state candidate they can believe in in order to start the change for the position of who is making the decisions about what rules are passed in the federal and state levels but also start to think about running for office is themselves if they have a different vision of how the politics should be. we need to be supportive of young people who can do that. host: darryl is from fayetteville, north carolina on our line 418-35-year-olds.

caller: thank you both for taking our call. i had a response in reference to the disconnect between millennials and baby boomers. recognize the difference in the economy has actually affected people's interaction with their children so a lot of older people say this generation has babies and kids don't go to school and have time to get education but the reason that happens is because you have selective interaction between the baby boomers and their children because they were constantly working. you would have baby boomers working past their retirement age because that's what they know so they didn't necessarily have time to influence whether or not their kids would be involved in politics or have a social aspect or build networks and understand how adulthood actually works so now you have the downfall of a lot of younger

people's understanding of politics, unless they had the natural interest. you supposed to repair that disconnect or fix it without time? guest: thank you for that and you make a really good point. it is true that modern family life has become so busy that it is challenging for many, especially middle-class working parents to take the time to even have dinner with their children on a daily basis. many researchers point out that places where young people used to grow up in the community, those were places like religious congregations, community centers and for young adults labor unions, those institutions that made civic life alive has been a running overtime so they used to be many places where young people could interact informally with older generations to talk or just to get to

know them so they are not so isolated from each other. today, those places are few and far apart. formal and set a up conversation to talk about politics. be a few minutes when you run into your kids or when you are in the car with the kids trying to get to the practices or in your busy life. there are ways in which a radio show can incite a conversation. kids might be curious and parents should really not be afraid to have that conversation and should not be afraid to share their views. second, schools, especially in there can be as, lot in educating people for sick -- civic life. teachers are afraid to talk about politics because of the backlash they get from the

community about this is asian of brainwashing their kids. it really shouldn't be that way. the teachers should have the opportunity to talk about politics in a way that is nonpartisan and open-doored. teachers need to feel safe to do that. host: of the group circle, she is there director. missouri, our line for others, richard is up next. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment. i was raised as a republican. that was the way we were going to vote because that is the way my parents voted. i look back and it was wrong. wrong oninwashed was social security, medicare and all this good stuff, that is great and good for civilization i turn opposite of what my

parents were because they were wrong. so these young people, i hope today.e what is going on today all you hear is guns and abortion, that is all you here. those people in louisiana need help. so social security isn't bad. it is good for everybody. one thing you said about socialism is it is interesting. young people were really not at all turned off by that term. that is one of the things that was early on surprising about young people and how older people felt the young people were different. that translated into their

support for bernie sanders in some way. they are not turned off by his label and they are willing to listen to what he had to say about his policy and his ideas and young people were the early starters in bernie sanders rise. in him and older people started to get inspired by young people's energy. it really tells us about what young people can do. one is to be really open to different ideas but also to inspire other generations to think differently about politics. the caller has talked about being different politically from his parents. does that happen on a frequent basis and what happens to conversations about politics when there is a difference of opinion? guest: the data does support that. when we look at student voting data -- in many great schools, students is endless kindergartners do elections in

their social studies class and try to imitate what the presidential election is going to be like. when we look at the elementary school, middle school and high school data, you start to see the kids in elementary school in middle school vote like the state voting trends but high school students start to be more progressive. you can see there is some divide in that age where young people are going through adolescence and starting to disagree with their parents. ,here there is a disagreement there are many ways to deal with that. some parents can shut down the conversation to say "i am right and i know." that is not the right way. try to model how we can try to understand each other and who has a different opinion and why, where they are coming from and what is the common ground. that starts to let the kids know what it is like to practice

democracy and what it is like to be in that conversation that might be difficult. actually a positive end to that such as a better understanding or a better opinion. that is how our democracy has survived. virginia, 18-35. caller: how you doing? how informed about millennials are. my first know -- my personal a relatively low information, emotion-based conversation happening talking about how donald trump is mean and hillary clinton should be in jail. but talking about trade laws, and the current tax -- they don'te

gain any traction. how do we engage our peers on substantive policy topics? guest: i think that is one of the cons of social media-based news which is it is in anonymous. you have friends who you only know from social media or don't see very often but it also creates uncivil conversations that really aren't about different opinions. it can limit the range of topics and opinions. one way is to expand the kind of friends you have and actively seek different opinions. one could sign up for different topic groups to see what you can get from that. another important thing that we tend to neglect is how important it is to really have a

face-to-face conversation with people you know and care about. having a conversation about political issues in person is very different from having a twitter feed conversation or a facebook exchange about what you think of an opinion. it is hard to deny someone's opinion when you are looking at them in their eyes. you need to go back to building relationships in person and using that relationship to really start to understand each other instead of relying on social media to hope that we have that relationship and conversation. host: terry from california, line for others. go ahead. disagree agree and with some of your statements. college is a formative. of time for kids. but the brain doesn't form until you are 25 and kids don't like to be ostracized. other and if you

don't want to go along with the crowd, you are an outsider. $27 is a cheap concert and pizza and a few beers. then come the midterm elections when you don't see them. that is what happened during the obama elections. and votedout in mass for him. i don't agree that colleges should have presidential candidates proselytizing on their campuses. i do not feel that is the place they should be and that is a good, quick way of gathering voters and taking these kids who are very emotional along and waving the banner and getting them moving. , my formerk to them students knew nothing about this man's background. they only knew what they had learned on social media, they had not vetted the other candidates, they had no knowledge and that really bothered me, that we have this

lack of educated voters who are, perhaps, going out to change the results of an election and then disappear because that was then when i was in college and wasn't that fun? and now that i am paying my own .ills, i have no -- for that i think classes in high schools and colleges where kids can learn to think individually is the best way for them to make important decisions and teach vet. how to they don't want to do the research. i actually agree with that. i think colleges and universities shouldn't be just about the presidential elections. that is the point i want to emphasize. they should have political conversations about civic life and community life every day. andhould be part of college

students daily life where students can find opportunities to talk about the issues that matter to them. smallunger kids it is things like what is offered at the school cafeteria. are the options healthy? those are the points of politics. aboutllege students it is how the administration's are run, how the students voices influence the students. so those are the kinds of things that i talk about when we talk about good practice of civic life. it is not just about presidential elections. said, presidential elections is an opportunity to start to get young people interested in even thinking about politics. i hope this is going to do that for a generation of young people as well. what kind of information will you be seeing between now and election time and will you also include independent candidates? we will be in fact

surveying young people twice, right before the election and also right after. we are interested in issues that young people are interested in seeing president's address but we are also interested in thinking about how young people see themselves in this particular time in history. what is their political power? how are they seeing their political education? those are the surveys we will be doing. trying to figure out where young people vote and how people voted and how much they voted, as soon as we can find that information as well. host: the organization is known as circle, we have been speaking with kcal shema ginsburg. it was a pleasure. feature republican, democrats, libertarian and green

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then on tuesday, vice presidential candidates governor mike pence and senator tim kaine debate at longwood university. washington university in st. louis host the second presidential debate leading up to the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump at the university of nevada las vegas on october 19. live coverage of the debates on c-span. listen live on the c-span free radio app or watch anytime on-demand at c-span.org. washington journal continues. joining us now is independent candidate evan mcmullin. you have people asking who are you and where you interested in being president. why is that? >> i believe the two candidates that we have before us that have been nominated are woefully unfit to lead this country,

especially at this time, so like many americans i have waited for someone else to step forward and that didn't happen. sensing that it was the last minute in which somebody could offer some competitive edge, i decided to do it myself. host: who got you into this? guest: i would not describe it as being recruited. they were working on finding someone for some time and they were well-known people. i reached out to them a few weeks ago, realizing we were nearing the end of a window, the last window when someone could actually challenge both of these nominees so i reached out to -- ifo see if they find they had found somebody but the answer was they still were working. they asked me if i would consider it and i did. consideration, i decided it was the thing that needed to happen. campaign strategy infrastructure, do you have any

of those? guest: today marks the second week. we finished two weeks quickly. --have started gaining some an incredible team, lots of donors contributing to our cause, mainly people across the country and regular people chipping in. also, larger donors maxing out as well. thisve been encouraged by incredibly positive response from millions of americans who are eager for something new, another option. we have had 100,000 people donate or sign up to volunteer, over 600 people have applied, over 600 people have applied to quit their jobs and join our campaign on a full-time basis. the response has been incredible. the defining thing that separates you from hillary clinton and donald trump? guest: i would say two things.

i am a person who will put this country and the interest of this country first. i believe both can't -- candidates have put their own interests ahead of the american people. i have never been that way and that is not the kind of president i would be. i believe this country needs a leader that can unify it. longve been divided for so along so many different lines between races and along ideological lines and religions etc.. we have one candidate who seeks to divide us further through his destructive rhetoric, which i from a is harming us prosperity perspective as well as a national security perspective. i believe hillary clinton advocates for continuation of a strong centralized government in washington that isn't accountable to the american rests farwhich power away from them so that their voices are deluded and too often unheard.

these things divide us and i am a supporter of reforms that would return more power to the people and unite this country. host: if you want to speak with our guests, 202-748-8000 14 republicans. what state you come from? guest: i was raised outside of seattle. host: did you seek advice about this run from mitt romney? and i haven't spoken directly, but i did not see his input or i did not talk before running. feltis something i strongly about doing myself of course we would love to have mitts support. this is something i felt strongly about doing on my own. >> has mr. romney hinted at support? guest: it is too early to say.

we would welcome his support and a range of other people support but for us the most important support is from the american people and we believe we are getting that at a shockingly fast rate. it has been truly encouraging to see the response of the american people. host: there was a recent letter to the editor in the salt lake city tribune about you, saying that he is running as a spoiler, a candidate that might give you talk to hillary clinton. guest: i am more focused on who wins the white house. we believe that we can prevent either hillary clinton or donald trump from achieving a majority. we need to move quickly to do that to galvanize the support of people who want a better option. let me say something about donald trump in his viability. he is performing terribly. 14%.rginia, he is down by

if you are going to be down by 14% you are, 12, not going to win the presidency. when i entered he was down by 10%. donald trump is not a viable candidate. he is doing enormous harm to this country. he is ensuring that hillary clinton takes the white house. if we want to stop -- if the conservatives and people in this country on both sides of the aisle want to stop hillary clinton from taking the white house, we need somebody who can actually compete with her credibly. all donald trump, it is about his latest controversy and the latest terrible thing he has said. republicans and americans are not going to win that way. if you want to ask questions, the numbers will be on the screen.

we will start with hawaii on our line for democrats. doing up thism i early? it is 3:00 a.m.. thank you for taking my call and thank you for c-span. host: thank you. face, good to be with you. caller: i have one comment and one question. hillary clinton not what people say she is. her age and unfortunately, she has been demonized her whole life for being a progressive woman. that is my comment. i don't think that is nice to do that to women anymore. number two, don't you think that remembered in history as the next ralph nader if trump gets elected? that is my question. i would say of all again, i believe donald trump will not reelected.

he is not a viable candidate. .hat is just the reality of it i am not concerned about electing donald trump. i intend to do everything i can to ensure he is not elected and the same is true with hillary clinton. my issue with hillary clinton, i want to make this clear, is nothing to do with her -- it does have to do with political positioning but more than that it is about her belief that she is unaccountable to the american people. oflive in a time when 82% americans feel this country is on the wrong track. americans consider themselves independents, only 28% consider themselves members , 28%ther political party on the democratic side. both of these major candidates have skyhigh negatives.

the american people are desperate for better leadership. i don't believe hillary clinton is doing that. i don't believe her positions on issues does that and that is why i am opposing her as well as donald trump. , louisville, ann kentucky on the independent line. guest: i disagree with what this fellow is doing. it is a selfish thing to do. he doesn't have a chance. donald trump was not my first choice. i like ted cruz but now it has come down to two candidates and i have to go for donald trump because hillary clinton will be disastrous. he doesn't have a chance and all he is trying to do is take votes away from donald trump. to try to is selfish do this. if we don't get behind trump, we are going to be stuck with four

more years of destruction in this country. more liberal judges on the supreme court. the selfishness of this guy and the rest of these republicans, it just makes me sick. i would say that donald trump has no chance of winning this election. entered the race again, donald trump was down by 10% in the polls. he is still down by a significant amount and he is doing even worse. people are supporting donald trump hold onto to him, the worse off we are. he has no chance of winning and sooner or later, the country is going to come to grips to that. that hillaryg clinton take the white house and the polls reflect that reality. if you could veto tpp, would

you win? vow to veto't tpp because i support free trade. economy ofave an opportunity for all and people who are struggling at probably cannot have an opportunity economy if we continue to grow at 2% or less. series of make a reforms so our economy can get back on track and grow at a faster clip. part of what we need to be doing is trading. 95% of the world consumers are outside of our borders. anyone who advocates against more trade is someone who doesn't understand that or is being honest with the american people. this is where i differ with some of my conservative fellows.

i do think we need to do more to help people who lose their jobs or who have negative pressure on their wages. that is the reality. over the last decade or so, the last average manufacturing worker has only increased by about a dollar after you adjust for inflation. these are real issues and there are things we need to do to improve their wages, improve their opportunities, be more serious about them, be more effective in that way to help them and help people who are losing their jobs. but we have to keep trading if we are going to have this economy growing at the level we needed to grow. host: do you think it has enough in worker protections? guest: we need to ensure that there are -- that our workers and workers overseas are held a similar standards.

we've got to be better at enforcing our trade agreements. we can have countries manipulating their currencies. i actually side with donald trump in the sense that i don't believe we have been the best negotiators out there. executive branch to be much better negotiators of trade deals. that is something that i would hope to bring to the white house myself. but we have got to trade our companies -- our companies have got to have access to foreign markets. too often they are denied access and that hurts jobs. host: from minnesota, democrats dawn,don, good morning -- good morning. guest: why aren't you bringing up the fact that if you google melania trump, she was a nude model. the rest of the world is looking

at them and people are going to be laughing at this country even believeause they don't we have morals in the united states and that is actually going to hurt our country even more. why isn't this being brought up? going to comment on donald trump's wife but i will say that i share your concern that donald trump is bringing about or helping divide and destroy certain qualities like common decency in the way that we treat each other and a way that i think damages our culture in a serious way that needs to be opposed so i agree. go on to north carolina, grace is on our republican line. go ahead. call,l go to the next delano from missouri, democrats

line. like to knowld what you would do about flint michigan's water condition. guest: thank you for the question. these wein crises like have to make sure that local governments have the resources -- in thein case cases where they don't have them to ensure that people's immediate needs are met. it is unacceptable that the people of flint, michigan would be drinking water that is unsafe to drink. we need to -- the states need to issue. on this also, federal government agencies failed as well. there needs to be accountability. in these crises as president, i would ensure that local governments and state governments have the resources they need to respond immediately. then we have got to look at

reforms that ensure that these things don't happen again. the reforms should happen at the .ederal level too flint was a disaster across all of of government, federal, state, local. we need to make sure those fixes take place after we take care of the immediate needs of the people of flint. part of the cia and also worked with the investment banking division at goldman sachs. he is evan mcmullin. what do you see as deficiencies currentrrent -- in intelligence gathering? guest: the real problem is our national security policy. our intelligence services are capable of doing great work when they are allowed to do it and when they have a strategy in place that involves them. right now, with the case of isis

and elsewhere in the middle east in terms of challenges we have that don'tdictators have the best interest of their people in mind, these are challenges our intelligence services should be leading the way on. don't have a comprehensive strategy, nor do we have the commit and required. -- commitment required to defeat isis. that shouldlan involve a heavy intelligence our servicesllows to go out and recruit sources and support friendly forces on the case of- in syria, moderate syrian groups that have struggled under a lack of support that they have wanted from the united states. in the process, isis has the case of syria, moderate syrianexpanded s contrasted in different areas.

services -- i have a lot of confidence in them, i spent 10 years working at the cia, i have a lot of confidence in what they can do, but it is not a lot about that. they can do what we need them to do as long as our strategy and leadership in the white house will allow them to do what they can do. has promotedtrump an idea of extreme vetting for refugees. he is promoting a whole thing from migration from certain parts of the world. guest: to be more clear about what he has suggested, he has suggested that we block all muslims from coming to the united states and i think that is destructive and runs counter to our ideals. we are a pluralistic society. we are a nation of 330 million people, we come from all kinds of different backgrounds,

religions, ethnic, racial, the idea that we would just say that a group of people based on their religion can't come i think is a terrible thing to suggest. certainly, the policy would be terrible. it would have negative consequences for our national security is of the reality being that we depend on our muslim partners to help us be effective in the war on terror. muslim governments, individuals who decide they are going to work with us and help advance our efforts, and that is on the battlefield. in terms of fighting the ideology, we also need their help, we need their help even more. going tothat we are treat all muslims as though they unwise terrorists, it is and damaging to our national security.

silly policy idea because how do you actually administer that policy? it presupposes that a terrorist coming to the united states knowing this restriction on was looms traveling to the united states would admit that they are muslim. they could simply say they are of a different faith and what would we do? just an of idea from limitation perspective but also in terms of its violation of our ideals. good morning. i have a practical question. for 20been a libertarian years and i'm planning on voting for gary johnson. i know the struggles the libertarian party has had to get on the ballot in all 50 states. weon't know the details that have only gotten on the last couple of election cycles.

there are a number of states where i think the sign-up date has been passed. how many states do you think you can get on? point if there is no possibility? ballot,re not on the and you want to get a message out, great but i don't get it. guest: there is a lot of how aerstanding about candidate can appear on the ballot. it is difficult and in many states the requirements are designed to take third-party candidates -- prevent third-party candidates from being on the ballot. that is a problem we need to as 42% of americans consider themselves independent theyou can petition for

ballots, you can get on through third parties who have ballots or presidential ballot lines. .here is also a legal option we plan to challenge the requirements in certain states and also there is a right in possibility. only seven states don't allow the ballot.n for those states that deny it all together, we think that is honorable to legal challenge. there are a lot of things that can be done. in onen as many states way or another way as much as we can. there is no doubt about that. we are in utah, colorado, iowa and louisiana and we are already on those first states. we will be in as many states as we can. our goal is to earn as many

elect -- electoral votes as possible. .com is an mcmullin website where you can find out more about our guest and his bid. policy papers, is that on your sites? out a we will be rolling series of policy speeches in the weeks ahead and more information and we have been very active in the press and you can see many interviews online if you search and hear more about what my views are and we will talk more today. host: don in florida, democrats line. caller: i wonder if the candidate has any idea about changing the federal election law. it is the federal election law of 1871 that says you have to take a lot of bribes and become incorporated to be a candidate. that is why we have two

multimillion dollar bride taking candidates. what are your thoughts about changing the law so that the constitution is involved, not just excluding? guest: i would say that i agree with the general idea that we need to open up a system so that third party candidates, independents and others can be a part of the process. wherenow we have a system we have two major parties that exclude and have control over debates in many states at the state party level. they have succeeded in advancing laws that make it very difficult to get on the ballot. i believe we need to make so that there are more voices in the political system, not less.

i wouldn't say that if 70 to 82% of the american people did not feel like the country was on the wrong track or 42% didn't consider themselves independents or if the two major candidates in this election cycles were not so historically disliked by the american people but all of those factors i think make it clear that the american people want other options and we need to respond to that collectively as a country. host: greg from north carolina, republican line. wondering, none of the presidential candidates so far has mentioned about the where obama has taken it all away, the wages

away. you give them back? will say that i'm in favor of ensuring that our seniors have what was promised to them and what they need in their senior years of life. there is no doubt about that. we need to make sure that we are meeting our obligations and commitments to seniors in that way. i understand also there need to be some reforms so that on a long-term basis, social security and entitlements are solvent. now, they are headed to insolvency. this, weand we can do can ensure that our seniors have the support they need and that has been promised to them that they can pay into during their and still in her in the solvency of these programs through gradually phased in

reforms that put these programs on a sustainable path. that is where i am on entitlements. host: what is chief among them? guest: i think in some cases, as life expectancy extends -- which i think thehing -- retirement age needs to gradually increase. i think we need to ensure that lower income seniors -- that they are protected first in our programs. of medicare,e case i would like to see us go to a premium support model in which seniors get to decide whether they go out on the open market and get private insurance plans or if they can go to medicare. these are some of the reforms. host: floral city, florida, independent line.

jim, good morning. caller: thank you very much for taking my call. i have a couple of things. first, our biggest problem is not terrorism or immigration or any of those. our biggest problem is the growth of government. second, i just heard mr. mcmullin make a statement about donald trump saying to ban all muslims. donald trump never said ban all muslims. that is the line that the media and the washington elite has promoted over and over and over again. ban he said was an them -- them until we get a way of vetting them and that isis stole all of syria's passport information, printing press, codewords, paper, everything.

there is no valid visa from syria today and they should be banned until our leaders figure out what is going on. we don't have leaders that know what is going on. we have leaders that give away everything the united states has ever had. they don't negotiate for america. a negotiate against america. guest: thank you for your call and comments. i certainly agree that one of the major problems, and perhaps the largest problem the country faces, though it is hard to between thee various problems we face, but the size of the federal government is certainly a serious challenge to this country. it is a challenge in terms of what it does to our budget. the tax burden that then results on the american people. the interest payments on our debts are growing so quickly that in 10 years we will be

paying more on our interests then we will be on defense. power andoo much money in washington. ofneed to decrease the size the federal government and transfer that power back to states where it is more accountable to the people. we need to make reforms to entitlement programs, mandatory spending that is on autopilot right now and reviewed on an annual basis by congress. we need to make these reforms actually atrump is candidate who has said nothing actually a candidate who has said nothing about serious reductions in government spending. he is somebody who i don't think is being honest with the american people. we must reform entitlements so that they don't bankrupt this they protecthat the interests of current seniors and people like my parents who are approaching retirement but so we are not drowning ourselves in debt. as far as donald trump's ban on

muslims, he did say that he wanted to ban muslims. he then clarified that it would be until we could figure out "what was going on with them." it away, that is what he intends to do, ban muslims. it is a terrible policy. it file its our core ideals. the ideals that give us great power and opportunity of across this world. we need to push back when leaders or would be leaders like donald trump violate these principles. for: what is the plan improving the economy and job growth? guest: there is so much to that. needf the first things we to do is lower the corporate tax rate. it is inspiring companies to base overseas. we use most of the world's largest companies in the united states and so many have left

because of the super high tax rate. also, you're going to inspire more companies to invest their capital in better equipment that improves worker productivity, which then allows companies to pay their workers more and allows companies to want to be here, to hire more workers and that is a very important thing. from my time in the private sector, over regulation is a huge problem but it is not just over regulation. we need to rethink how it happens. now, the executive branch is violating the article of the constitution that says legislative powers rest solely with congress. regulatorys uncertainty that comes from an administration that isn't friendly to business and therefore friendly to jobs. presidency, the business community and workers also would understand that i am

-- we are going to be open for business. we are going to have policies in this country that make it the best place on earth to start and manage a business and hire people to work. that among many other things, education is another piece of this. we have an education system that was meant to help us transition from an agricultural economy to an industrial economy and we are so far beyond that -- it is 100 years old -- we've got to make reforms so that we can compete. there is a range of things that need to happen. host: some parallel to donald trump? the tax rate? donald trump says there needs to be a moratorium on regulations. we need to go deeper. when you simply declare a moratorium on rulemaking, than once that moratorium is lifted it all comes back.

we've got regulations that are impeding the growth of the economy now. we need structural reforms on how regulation happens. there is a bill in congress called the reins act, which i am a supporter of which basically says that if the federal government is going to make a major rule, a ruled that the omb says would impact the economy or have an impact on the economy of over 100 million dollars, that needs to come to congress for approval. i support at least that and other reforms too. the threshold is a good one but there are rules and regulations that also should have thatessional approval don't necessarily make that threshold. the point is, americans elect their representatives to legislate and they are empowered solely to make the laws of this

country. so over time, that power has transitioned to a variety of laws that congress has passed decades ago and through decisions and court decisions. tot power has transitioned the executive branch in a way that i think is inconsistent with the constitution and harmful to our economy and to the american people whose voices are not being heard by this government. let's hear from donny in kentucky, democrats line. .aller: i would like to comment say he woulddid ban all muslims. my ears don't live for me. -- don't lie for me. he needs to watch the news.

donald trump, everything he has done or said has been bad. host: do you have a question for our guest? -- in't understand know you are running but i don't know much about it. guest: thank you donny. live, madison wisconsin, independent line. caller: my question is on the tpp issue. going back to nafta, one of the things in the agreement was that each country in nafta was able to sue the other countries if they took jobs away. the united states -- our , their jobs had been moved to the united states.

the united states has not sued any other country. , whichorward to the tpp is supposed to be evolving from the nafta, is that agreement in there and are you allowed not only to sue but be able to sue the companies that leave the united states under this free-trade agreement. guest: thanks for the call. that --free-trade is the reality is that i don't think the idea that we are going to sue other companies or countries as jobs transition from one to the next -- it is just not a part of how trade needs to happen. we also have the opportunity to win jobs. we will gain more jobs by being able to reach more customers overseas. consumers areld's overseas, beyond our borders and behind tariff walls

that we can't get to or make it hard for our american companies to sell their products to these people. these trade deals we are advancing break down those tariff laws and allow us greater access, which improves our opportunity to produce jobs in the united states. thated to make sure companies stay here and we need to lower the corporate tax rate. other reforms need to take place in concert with these trade deals. that is the advantage and the opportunity for us. i want to make it very clear that there is a reality that some people, jobs have left and gone overseas. that is a reality. another thing that is happening and something nobody talks about that needs to be talked about more is that due to automation and technology advancements, other people are losing their

jobs and there has been a shifting from one place to another. that is part of the challenge too. in this dynamic economy, we have got to be better about helping people who lose their jobs transition into those new jobs. programs have been very effective in helping people who have lost manufacturing jobs get experience in another type of job. that is what we need to do. we failed miserably in helping these people as the economy grows and develops, helping these people who face challenges as a result transition to better opportunities. presidency we would make that a focus. host: steve from new york, independent line. caller: i would like to ask in

the context of your support, your stated support for reforms that reduce the size and overreach of the federal government, if you are aware of the grassroots movement called the convention of states, which seeks to use article five of the propose and to ratify amendments that would limit the scope and power of the federal government and require a balanced budget? if so, would you be willing to state your support for such a movement. what i will say is this. i believe the states need to have more power. our founders envisioned a country in which states would have far more power than they do. they would carry the bulk of the

power in this country rather than the federal government. right now it is totally lopsided. it is a really important issue, far more important than most people realize. our country was founded with the purpose of allowing its people to presume that -- pursue happiness which means they need a say in their government. their voices need to be heard. you've got a centralized government in a country as diverse as ours, it is hard for individuals voices to be heard and the government is so unaccountable to the american people. im in favor of a variety of things, their ideas out there and i have heard some that you have mentioned. --re are ideas that would one that i am familiar with and that i have done work on that would give states the right to , for example, an executive order from the president if they voted by two

thirds to oppose that executive order. that that would overturn that executive order and the same could apply to a rule. that would give states additional power. i am in theory support of those ideas and its practices. and of many others but i think the states need to be much more empowered so that the people in this country are empowered. host: our conversation with evan mcmullin. thank you for your time. another addition comes your way at 7:00 tomorrow morning. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]