a military base and it was changed through brac with the military realignment commission and handed it over to the park service. it is the fort where the very first slave ship bringing slaves to the english colonies,ening learn at the time, colonies came through and then in the civil war slaves fled to fort monroe and sought refuge and was given shelter by the northern side. so it did play a big role in the history of slavery. . and the park service hasn't gotten all its signage up and it isn't clear when you go to visit but it's actually national park property there. you still work on getting signs up and the word out that this is somewhere to go and visit, so it takes a lot of effort to -- effort to get

the word out there that the parks are out there this you can visit. host: we'll be joined in 15 minutes on the mall here in washington, d.c. which is operated by the national park service, and we're looking at the centennial on this date as in woodrow wilson signed into law the creation of the national park service and we're taking your tweets. we're asking for photographs. this is from one of our viewers, steve, who says rats, no available photos but i like yosemite, glacier, acadia, grand canyon. do you have a favorite? guest: mine i think would be a little bit different. when i first got out of college i worked for a national park, worked for homestead national monument of america which is in beatrice, nebraska, 45 minutes south of lincoln, and it's one of the very first homesteading sites in the country. so they had the cabin there where the homesteader lives and they have a hundred acres of tall grass prairie and was there summer into fall so the

tall grass really by the end is six or seven feet tall and was taller than i was and can you go out and stand in the middle of the prairie and be completely surrounded by this amazing natural beauty. so i have to say i am partial to that park. host: keep the tweets coming in. we love them. this from steve harrison with a photograph in independence, missouri. harry truman's iconic home, the national park service also manages places like harry truman's house which is a must-see place if you're in independence, missouri. and deedee fredericks who tweets quite often said money to rebuild the world, no money to rebuild our parks. from johnson, south carolina, good morning. your thoughts on this centennial of the national park service? caller: i think it's an amazing thing that we have, the park service, and the natural forest service because it gives us a chance both to see our heritage and our history in the smaller

parks and just to connect with nature. i spent many years happily riding my horse in the smokey mountains. they were kind enough to provide us with access and trails even though, of course the horses do have a larger impact on the trails than human footprints but it's a wonderful thing. passport golden age that gives me camping anywhere i want to go that honors that. i can remember 30 years ago in the smokey mountains, there was the effect of acid rain in the higher elevations. and it just pointed out to me that we need to have conservation in place and not just pretend like this will always be with us. travis smiley interviewed betty reed hoskins who works for, i'm sorry if it's the national

forest service or the park service, and she is a national treasure. i urge people to engage with the officials of the parks and the volunteers to learn more about the area and just find out what motivates them to become either a volunteer or an employee. i worked with the forest service many times to help put in new trails in different areas. it's a great experience for anyone and i urge everyone to get out and enjoy it. host: thank you very much for the call, connie. jan has this, my sister and her husband visiting all of them as a bucket list item. tell us your thoughts of the national park service and share your tweet with us at c-spanwj. let me go back to two photographs from 1903. this is president teddy roosevelt and conservationist john pure at 234r5eusher -- flasher point in yosemite.

and many would have thought it was teddy roosevelt who created the national park service but came during the woodrow wilson things. -- wilson administration. you know why? guest: it took a while to push the bill through and there were 35 parks in existence by the time the agency was created so it wasn't that they weren't creating parks, they definitely were creating parks and teddy roosevelt was very in favor of that. they just didn't create the agency to oversee them until the woodrow wilson administration. host: we want to share with you some exclusive photographs, exclusive because shawn duty of our staff just returned from yosemite national park and you'll see these only on c-span because our c-span employee took them. let me share those with you. john, good job. we go to neva joining us from oregon. good morning. caller: thank you. thank you for carrying my call. my question to you is who owns

the mineral rights under the ground? because right now in burns, regon, we have hillary clinton and sold 18 million pounds to yellow cake to russia and iran and there was a newspaper in oregon and reported on january 8, 2012, would you please tell me who and why they can do something like that? host: thanks. i don't have the answer to that. let me turn back to noelle and see if you can answer that issue of the mineral rights. you know the answer? guest: sometimes there's a situation called split estate where one person owns the mineral rights below the ground and somebody else owns the surface rights above the ground and is actually a fairly common practice especially in the western united states where they split the two ownerships and can lead to conflict, naturally, as somebody above the beyond and someone else owning below the ground might have different intentions on with a they want to do with the

lan. host: when you think of the national parks, there's seashores and parkways to reserves that make up the national park system, 413 in all. talk about some of the lesser known national park service designations. guest: we did one story looking at parks that are less visited than other parks. we sent a reporter to thomas stone historic site in rural, maryland. he was a signer of the declaration of independence. but even in his own park they admit that he wasn't too charismatic and didn't speak up much in congress. so nobody really knows too much about him. so this is a park that was created in 1978 when congress passed what was known as the park barrel bill where it's the biggest park bill that ever passed congress and affected a hundred parks and conservation projects across the country and created 11 new parks including this one in maryland. so sometimes the parks that

were created were pet projects of local politicians, and the park service didn't always want those sites to join the park service. this one in particular, the park service didn't want. but once congress tells them, you know, this is going to be a park, they take it on and do the best they can with it and include it in the system. host: victor has this tweet, the grand canyon is worth several visits. it's almost spiritual if if not least a out of body experience. we're joined by a listener in maine. maine is the most recent designation as a national park service site. good morning. caller: good morning. yeah, it's very hot weather up here today, as it is everywhere but i would like to say that my favorite national park is j.f.k.'s birthplace. john f. kennedy's birthplace in brookline, massachusetts. you can go in and look at the

room where he was born, where his kitchen, everything where the family lived. and it's a very moving experience. and i do commend the new national park in maine. i wish all of maine was a national park. and i need to stress to everyone that the national park service must begin to curtail and stop the massive amount of hunting of our wildlife animals and birds. times have changed, it's year 2016 and with the almost constant forest fires going on, we must protect and preserve the birds, bears, deer and fish. just don't gaga at the beautiful scene you encounter, look in and see weas happening. we're losing so much wildlife to hunting and to the wildfires.

and money and effort has to be put in by the national park service, volunteers, everyone, to take this new problem and stop it and make national parks with a they're supposed to be, and e for our wildlife nature to be preserved so we can enjoy it. host: thank you for the call. jody has this point, there's a national forest a few miles from my home so i feel like i live in one. let's go to debbie joining us from naples, florida. good morning. caller: good morning, sir, how are you? host: fine, thank you. caller: we went this vacation with the kids, we live in naples, florida, and we traveled to jackson hole, wyoming, and then we went to yellowstone and it was just beautiful. from there we had, you know, a whole day in yellowstone and it

was just the most wonderful thing you can see. ou know, the kids go to play in the mountain because my daughter never seen the snow so we had a very nice time. so from there we went to another park, the rocky mountains. and it was just beautiful, too. so we had a very nice time in vacationing in those parks. i think it should be preserved and, you know, we all should give a little bit of our money get that place maintained and for the future generations. host: debbie, thank you for the call. marie is joining us next from reston, virginia. good morning. welcome to the conversation. caller: yes. good morning. it's a wonderful show. and years ago i saw a program

about the national parks and so forth, and they interviewed a native american that his tribe lived out there in the yellowstone auerbach in the 19th century, and they -- the natives that lived out there got pushed off of their land and this happens in many, many areas in this country where they have national parks, this native man said it's wonderful the white man loves the trees and nature and animals but what about the humans, the indians that live there, the indigenous people? didn't they have a right to live there in the beauty there? they loved it there and why they lived there throughout the centuries. my point being that i think it uld be nice if the land in the park possibly a 1/3 of it might be made available to people from tribal descent,

native american tribal descent in the various states they're from, which we live in all states. and it would be a wonderful thing. and also, i don't think any of the parks should be spoiled by mining and so forth. let them stay in their beautiful natural state. what does your guest have to say with regards to that? host: if you want more information on the park service, it's nps.gov. the iconic hat worn by the park ranger with confetti celebrating 100 years. let me go back to virginia and really take it one step further, whether or not there's anything future presidents can do that would rescind an order that would create a national park put in place? guest: i don't believe the president can unmake a park. they can make parks but don't

think they can unmake them. congress would have more control over that and often passes bills that change the boundary of parks and may add or subtract certain amount of land from parks. the congress can do that. but i don't think any parks are going to be -- once they are a park, they're pretty much always a park. host: let me go back to the issue of drilling rights and issues in some of these national parks and maybe not necessarily yosemite or grand canyon but areas that are designated wilderness area that might have potential for energy resources down the road. hat are the guidelines if any? guest: certain parks had is ing going on and cypress where there has been controversy in the park for oil and gas deposits. there's a limited number of parks that do have development going on inside their borders.

host: a few more calls. i have one final question for you before we wrap it up. michael has been waiting from hyattesville, maryland. good morning. caller: thank you, c-span. good morning. i love the parks and i love wildlife and i love animals and everything. but let me ask, i want to know one thing. where are you getting $2.9 billion to take care of the park or take care of these parks when you have people out here starving? i'm sitting in my car right now looking at these homeless people sleeping in the park, in the park they're sleeping, these homeless people but yet you say you have -- congress is going to give them $2. billion to run these parks and all that. well, i'm going to say why don't you take the state prisoners over there and let them take care of the park and congress give the $2.9 billion to these people that are sleeping in the homeless park

right here? why, what's wrong? the human race don't have a right no more? host: michael from maryland. we'll go next to dottie joining us from port angeles, washington. good morning, dottie. caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call and i live on the northern border of the national park and was raised in this area. it's really beautiful. i invite everyone to come and visit us. but my question is, the mineral rights question, that wasn't eally answered like who does own them? there is maybe a difference between the surface and underneath, but does the united states own those or does a previous owner where the national park was established, does the family, person still own them? what is the split?

host: dottie, thanks for the call. let me go back one more time to noelle straub who has been with us 45 minutes. a lot of interest in mineral rights and ownership. can you illuminate further on that? guest: in the parks it's on a case by case basis. i can't say the federal government owns all surface rights and other people own -- you have to look at it at each park. there's a different owner for where they are split, there's different owners for the mineral rights but you have to look at it on a case by case basis to see who owns which areas where. and i just wanted to make one point to the previous caller who talked about the park service budget. congressional funding for the park service is .07% of the overall federal budget. so i just wanted to put in perspective, $2.9 billion seems like a ton of money but in relation to the overall federal government spending, it's .07%.

so just to put that in perspective, there are other programs that deal with poverty and other issues that are also very important. host: and your centennial series available online at eenews.net. what one thing surprised you the most? guest: i guess it would be some of the parks that are the least visited. you always think of -- when you think of parks, you think of yellowstone or yosemite and some of the very well known parks and you know, when we looked into the least visited parks there are some that only get a couple hundred visitors per year. and some of those, granted, are in alaska where it's difficult to get to and that sort of makes sense but there are historic sites that don't have a lot of visitors and that kind of surprised me. e straub.oell the full series is available online.

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join the discussion. >> let me go to the headline at the hill.org. how significant is this with the negative adds? >> it's very significant, steve, there are a number of elements in it. one is the sheer disparity in the number that you have just mentioned. that is highly unusual at the presidential level to not have campaigned at least on some equal terms. the other important fact is this is relatively early in the campaign, the height of summer and in the past, the capacity or one nominee to really paint

the opponent into the corner during this phase of the campaign. it happened when outside groups attacked senator john kerry in 2004. when you put those two factors together, it is significant. >> and we're talking about money just from the campaigns themselves, not the superp.a.c. is supporting donald trump or hillary clinton, those numbers get each higher especially for the pro clinton campaign. >> yes, that's right, the clinton super pacs have outspent the trump super pac is as well. last week, the most recent data we have has reached over $100 million, about 104. that outspends all of the pro trump advertising by a margin of around 9-1. >> the clinton campaign is focusing on key battleground states. the trump campaign, at least so far with a focus on florida, ohio, pennsylvania, and north

that the our states trump campaign insist are must win if he has a chance to get to 270 electoral votes. let's look at some of the ads now on the air. >> i'm hillary clinton and a proved this message. thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals. >> calm judgment. you can tell them go [beep] themselves. >> all it takes is one wrong move. >> i would bomb the [beep] out of them. >> just one. >> hillary clinton's america, the system stays rigged against americans. syrian refugees flood in, collecting social security benefits, skipping the line. our border open, it's more of the same but worse. donald trump's america is secure, terrorists and

dangerous criminals kept out, the borders secure, our families safe, change that makes america safe again. donald trump for president. >> i'm donald trump and a proved this message. >> some of the ads from the clinton and the trump campaign and we're joined by the associate editor of the hill newspaper. have we seen these ads become more or less useful in terms of the impact they have on voters. >> it's a great question. i think a lot depends on timing, steve. some would argue it's more effective to run them at this time than later in the campaign when the market is almost saturated with ads. nonetheless, i think there has been an gradual increase in egative campaigning. and whether that leads to a law of diminishing returns is a question and they differ in terms of that one. >> a circle that comes to the

ads and the impact they have on polls and news coverage, can you explain? >> this was a point made by one rategist who i spoke with on this story. if adds were to work, the state he was referring to was north arolina, has been a republican . that leads to increased for democrats and makes it easier to recruit for volunteers, may even boost fundraising, it adds to the sense of momentum which creates the virtuous circle to which the article refers. >> donald trump did not spend a lot, worked for him in the primary. is it different or do they know something we don't know. they would argue that donald trump is such an unusual

candidate that he can rely on his own personal appearances, his speeches and the interviews or ives to reduce ameliorate the effect of the gap in ad spending. i think there is a division between the primary and general election. i think that a primary bias nature, you're appealing to an audience or an electorate that is broadly speaking in agreement with your views and whether they want to choose your views or interparty rivals. a general election to expand the voter base appeal to people that aren't that persuaded, the effectness of your views is another dynamic. >> based on your research from the 1996 campaign, the 2004 campaign and president obama in 2012, when the books are written on the 2016 campaign and the focus on this month, august, what will they say about the clinton campaign, its ad strategy and the trump

campaign? >> i think the clinton campaign really tried to press home its advantages. why the trump campaign has been somewhat reeling from a series of missteps, i think there could well be an argument, particularly if hillary clinton wins this election that this month was pivotal because it did enable her to go up on the air almost unopposed while the trump campaign was only beginning its national ad campaign that may well be seen as a serious mistake just as some of the other examples we have cited are referred to in that fashion. >> the negative campaign ads between the clinton and the trump campaign add the story available on line at thehill.com, niall, thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. announcer: c-span's road to the white house coverage continues friday with democratic vice presidential nominee tim kaine. he'll speak with supporters at

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journalism. kimberly atkins is the chief washington reporter for the washington herald and is a guest hosts of washington journal. she is also a staff writer for the journal news in new york. she is a graduate of weight state university and the columbia university school of journalism. washington-based liberal 1.ince 2000 his articles on politics, the labor, economy, have all appeared in the new york, the commentaryhe op-ed of the new york times and los

angeles times. he is a member of the editorial board, and his print journalism won numerous awards. he currently resides in washington. we have a live audience at the national press club in washington and the debate is being distribution live on c-span on the internet. in addition to questions from our panel audience members may submit questions in writing on the cards provided. those watching online will be able to submit questions by e-mail. m@ibt.org or you

can text for consideration. discusses major issues confronting the union. members will test -- cast their ballots in the ballot count will begin on november 14. two candidate will have minutes for opening statements. i will direct the flow of our questions. the candidate to whom the question is addressed will have 90 seconds to respond.

45n the other one will have seconds for rebuttal. after questions the candidates will have an opportunity to delivery to minute closing -- to deliver two minute closing statements. , any result that make takeaway speaking time, or further sanctions from the supervisor. let's begin with the candidate opening statements. zuckerman: thank you for this debate.

again the president is a no-show. he is never debated in front of the membership during an election. you may not know this, but this is the third debate that he has ducked this year. it is time for him to stop being a coward and stands in front of the membership and answer the members questions. , who i feeln hall corrupt member of the teamsters. he took shots at me in the last debate. we can debate this issue. he also claimed i turn ups full-time jobs into part-time jobs, and is also untrue and i .pen to debate those issues

you cannot start a conversation to fix a problem with the conversation starts with a lie. i want to talk about the ups.ation of the u.s. and we need to talk about the corruption at the ibt that he continues to ignore. we have real problems in this union. corruption, deteriorating contracts and loss of pensions for over one half-million teamsters. >> thank you for giving me the

opportunity to address a number of issues facing teamster members. i proud of what we have done. 200,000organized over workers in the past 10 years with nearly half of those coming in just the past five years. we have fedex freight at the table, which nobody thought would happen. we have contracts that provide the best health care for our members and anyone in this country. but we have to work on a major problem and that is our pension problems in we have to make sure that we are working to gather, that we continue to work together because we need to hold those members of congress, whether they be republicans or democrats accountable, and to ensure that our members get the same kind of relief that those greedy people an on wall street got.

opponent is a self-described angry man. but he is not angry or older reasons that he tells you. he is angry because in january of 2010 he practically begged us slate as aget on the candidate, and we rejected that. it was not personal at the time, i like fred. it was just the cause of his absolute horrible record as director. you are going to hear you talk others,alk a lot about because he does not want to hear about his record on a national level. i do not know why you are having to complain about debating me, i know the number two person on our sleigh, and you're the second choice on your slate. thank you. >> thank you.

the owner of the first question by the rules goes to me. the question goes to mr. hall. let's go right into it. the election rules state that the presidential candidate may appear or send his running mate. why is he not with us? hall: it seems like a fair fight we are both number two. he is our presenting our members. the fact is that he has been in office for 17 years. our members have seen him walk to get lines, making speeches at rallies to support people they've seen on the picket lines and they now -- know that he stands for them, and that there is no good reason that he would standing here and letting it angry local union officer just run down this union.

he has more important things to do than that. >> thank you. you still have time left, but we can move on. your response, mr. zuckerman? mr. zuckerman: he should be here. union. problems in this this is the third debate he is .ucked this year local 344 in milwaukee, the ups logo, invited the candidate to the -- to debate in the local union front of their membership as a request of their membership. he has docked that debate. he is not here today, either. that tells you the leadership he will provide. >> mr. hall, you have 30 seconds

to respond. mr. hall: i will remind the audience that up until 2010, fred supported every issue and every policy that jim hoffa had. he didn't have these issues in previous debates, only when he to run as vice president with our campaign. that is when he became angry in 2010. you haven't heard him deny it, because it is fact. let's get on with the debate. we have more important things to do. let's talk about the issues. >> turning to the panel, the first question is going to mr. zuckerman. teamstersg gears, the are a union known for the independent streak. over 10 years ago, the teamsters left the afl-cio. discuss the significance of that and whether it was a good move. rejoining theider

afl-cio, and if so, under what circumstances? do you feel teamsters should work with other unions more than they do? mr. zuckerman: one of our failures is because we divided the house of labor by pulling out the afl-cio and getting a change to win. change to win has been a failure. it turned with nine international unions in 2005, and now extends to three. they do nothing. it was supposed to be a vehicle to continue organizing, and we are not organizing. right now, all we do is steel members or merge with other international unions. the international union claims they have 1.4 million members. that is incorrect. the last numbers were 1.25. from bleke the mergers teak, the maintenance away folks, the gic you, that was 130,000 we brought in.

the one point 25 and now you are at 1.1. take the recent organizing victories that they claim, can claimed it in his opening statement, they were not organizing guys. they were mergers with other local unions, or they were rating other local unions, like in 2011, the local down there, which they took from the flp. we are not organizing anybody. what we are doing is taking them areas, and union density in the united states is down to 8% now. that is because we are not organizing new people. >> you have 45 seconds to respond. mr. hall: we have organized over 220,000 people in 10 years. in terms of whether we should have gotten out of the afl, we work together with the afl on different programs. we are working with them on political programs. we work with unions all over the

country. for instance, red is not aware of that. 10 years ago, when we did this, fred was a supporter of it. he was on board. he supported the policies. but then, don't call you for nothing.ddie in local 89, you haven't done any organizing. you'll have organized four countries in the last five years, and out of eight attempts, for companies, 108 members. >> 30 seconds to respond. mr. zuckerman: let's talk about mr. hall's record. been years that hoffa has in office, can hall has lost 25% of his membership. that is a fact. his pension fund is in the toilet. that is a fact. now, he can't hide from that. theor me not objecting to policies for the last 10 years, that is inaccurate. i went to hoffa in 2000 eight,

and we broke ranks when he would not organize. >> thank you. next question, directed to mr. hall. mr. hall, last week, ups ceo urged other business leaders to push congress to support the transpacific partnership deal, saying it was important to support small and ms. -- midsize businesses. congressour message to about the tpp as it affects your membership, and if it passes, what we do to do protect your membership from the perils of mr.tpp as you see them hall: we have been working day and night to make sure it doesn't pass. it, andof ups supports that doesn't mean anything to us. it doesn't mean we should support it. -- ups and you see supports another group we

despise. we have disagreements. but i can tell you, we are not looking for what we will do to protect our members once it passes. we are looking to keep the thature on to make sure tpp doesn't pass. we are in a position where both presidential candidates seem to be against it. lots of members of congress, as well. we think we will be successful in being able to do that. now, and that is really my answer on this issue. but i do want, for the rest of , its fact check time, fred. in said you broke with hoffa 2008. here is a letter from you on january 8, 2010, not only talking about how you supported him forever, but this is the letter you sent asking to be put on the board, and pledging your undying support from your local and your joint council. this is january 2010 on your letterhead. you.d by so it is time to tell the truth. something that hasn't happened a lot in your campaign.

>> mr. zuckerman, you have 45 seconds. mr. zuckerman: we are against tpp and that is obvious. let's talk about the letter. the letter, and it doesn't say all the things you say in it, but this letter was requested at a joint council meeting in charleston, west virginia, in 2009. december 2009. to me at randy's bar and you requested i write the general president a letter to make that request. and i specifically said, you know what? i'm not going to beg anybody for a job. i refused to do that. rich was the one that wrote that. i signed it, but rich wrote it. don't come in here and telling lies like that. >> mr. hall, redirect. mr. hall: the only thing i can tell you, the bobbin of it says fred zuckerman and it has your signature. supported your 1998,stration since 90 --

and i support your policies and programs. it goes on to say, as you know, local 89 is one of the largest locals in the ibt and is the home of the ups air hub. i would be honored to serve as the -- on the general executive board and president of joint council 94 and local 89. we promise you the support of our office. it wasn't my fault you wrote this letter. >> aren't next question is for mr. zuckerman. mr. zuckerman, the travails of the central state pension fund are fairly well-known. is there anything the previous generation of the teamster leadership should have done about that pension fund, to have kept it in better shape? and now, going forward, now that mr. feinberg struck down the arrangement, is there anything different that a zuckerman administration would do that is different from what they hoffa administration would do to get

congress to resolve these problems? mr. zuckerman: even into doesn't it, when i went to the general president and told him it was important to organize, and he rejected that, i feel that we have to organizing core industries and put participants into the funds. when can hall took ups out of central state, that collapsed the fund. , when time, there were ups was in the fund, there were 100 4000 participants. it was like a two to one ratio. on the fact that they didn't organize since 2000, when jim hoffa took office, had they not taken ups out of fund and had they organized and put participants into the fund, the fund would be healthy today. it is not healthy because of a lot of bad decisions, and they are still trying to take people out of the fund. 2007, the central states fund ink in $1.44 billion

participant contributions. , 568, they take in 568 thousand dollars in participant contributions. it is -$880 million. almost $1 billion they are not taking in. the fund cannot survive without participants. right now, central states is 59,000 participants to 235,000 retirees. it is going this way. they are trying to take programs now, to make it 52,000. they are purposely collapsing this fund. >> mr. hall? >> can i ask you to follow up with this allegation of taking ups out of the central state pension fund? mr. hall: fred is rewriting history. he says he broke with jim in 2008, which i proved was a lie. in 2008, part -- mr. zuckerman national negotiating committee at ups.

i didn't show up any much -- very much, but he was appointed as a member. he voted for it. his members voted for it. they voted for that contract. so now, he tells you this. the fact is, this the fact. this is not the angry rhetoric. the facts are, in january 2015, central state submitted to the treasury department that if the economy hadn't have collapsed in 2008 and 2009, with the $6 million the government and ups would have made the fund fully funded by -- 2028. that is their words. >> mr. zuckerman? mr. zuckerman: they were advised by central states not to do it. they did it anyway. that is a part of bargaining. you keep people in the pension funds or take them out. everybody knew that it was a mistake to do that. we were told in that negotiation that you had done, you had done some due diligence, and the

officials that were advising you said that it was a good thing for central state. we didn't know that central states had recommended that they didn't do it, and that it would be a very bad thing. and that, ultimately, that is what happened. >> thank you. let's start from the panel. mr. rose? is about this organizing. this union recently has touted its inroads in organizing new andstries like health care municipal government workers. are you concerned that the union is putting too much emphasis on new industries at the expense of its traditional basis of support -- inustries like industries, and have you strike a balance between organizing in industries where teamsters have historically represented many workers, and branching out into new areas? >> as far as the people we have organized in the past 10 years, i would point out that 12,000 of them was at a company to use to be called overnight, and is now ups freight.

the first maker -- major organizing campaign in 50 years at freight. --e of the naysayers said we said this wouldn't happen. we are sitting across the table from fedex freight, which a lot of people said would never happen. we are in negotiations with them. we have organized a lot of , iple, but you continue don't think there is anything wrong with organizing health care workers and others. in fact, i think everybody deserves an opportunity to be represented by our union and you have better working conditions and better pay and benefits. now, if my opponent can tell you which of the companies that we have organized that we shouldn't be organizing and shouldn't be in the union, that is fine. but i have heard this core industry argument for the past two elections. i listened to this from one of his running mate's five years ago. we believe everyone has a chance. we have organized, just in the

past 7-8 years, more in core industries than the last 50 years in this organization. >> mr. zuckerman? mr. zuckerman: that's not true. organizing for industries keeps the standards up in those industries. they talk fedex, or about ups freight, ups freight was given to them when they agreed to get out of the ups pension plan. ups freight has been a disaster. the worst freight contract out there. didn't help anybody in the freight industry. what happens in the core industries, such as warehousing, , andry, freight, car hold others, if you don't keep those standards up, every time you get to the bargaining table, the first ring they say is, we need concessions because we have to negotiate down here. if we were to bring these people up, it raises our standard of living, it raises our contracts, and we can put people into the

pension funds, which we need to do. >> mr. hall? by hall: i can only respond saying ups freight is the highest-paid freight workers come a whether they are union or nonunion, in the united states of america, so how fred could say it didn't raise them up, i don't know. but i can tell you, it is strange to me you would bring that up, since your drivers at kroger, the largest grocery warehouse in the country, have gotten a six contract that they get a total of $.64 per hour increase over six years. >> next question, to mr. zuckerman. ms. adkins: mr. zuckerman, you accuse the hoffa administration of negotiating, quote, weak concessionary contract. can you point out specific entrances -- instances where you blocked the kind of concessions you accuse your opponent of supporting? mr. zuckerman: we will talk

about that trend service contract he was talking about. in 2006, kroger wanted to subcontract a lot of our work and they wanted concessions to do that. we negotiated with those companies, and we negotiated far superior contracts than the ibt has negotiated in the kroger master contract. we don't pay for health care. we got better health care. we are in the central state pension fund. we have far superior conditions and benefits that they negotiate. we continue to do that. follow-up, mr. hall, can you point to specific instances where you pushed back against proposed management concessions? mr. hall: we do that at every negotiation. if you sit down with him -- with employers, they want concessions. we have to look at not just issues of subcontracting and other things, for example, i didn't hear mr. zuckerman saying anything about this, $.66 over

six years. he is failing to tell you that in that kroger contracts, they have unlimited use of casual employees, which is worse than subcontracting. we face that, we face concessionary attempts by employers in almost every come almost every time we sit down at the table. he calls the ups contract concessionary? i call it people who make between 88,000 dollars as a package, and $105,000 as a driver in total benefits of up to 150 thousand dollars, that is hardly concessionary and it is better than the contracts. >> your response? mr. zuckerman: yes. he ups contract that identifies is a small segment of the ups people that work there. they have a lot of part-timers that start at $10 per hour.

they do not get health care for the verse 12 months. they only have a three hour guarantee. you know, i was campaigning in new york city not too long ago, foster avenue in brooklyn, you have people showing up on city buses for $10 per hour for these part time jobs and then they leave, and they go to a homeless shelter. we have to do better than that. that is a huge majority of the workers at ups, part-time employees. sir.ur time is up, thank you. the next question goes to mr. hall. >> mr. hall, by my count, the teamsters are one of only about three national unions that haven't made an endorsement in that other presidential election that seems to be going on. most of the other unions have sort of concluded that whatever our flaws may be, hillary clinton made be a more

pro-worker president than donald trump. do you think that is an accurate assessment? do the teamsters not, to date, make an endorsement in the american presidential contest? mr. hall: first of all, it is obviously important to members, and it is something that we are, we are in the process right now, we don't, from the top down, just eclair that we are going to support one person over another. we do surveys with our local union leaders, our joint council leaders, we sent a survey to ofd, and we get the pulse what our people across the country are saying. we are in that process right now, and i would expect that there will be an announcement from us coming very, very shortly. are we talking about the presidential election, we are also very, very focused on what is going to happen in congress. because we want to make sure, we

want to make sure that the people that we are supporting are going to be working with us, -- votegoing to void for us and support pension reform, which is the biggest issue facing our union. we have to make sure our members can retire with dignity. bywill not get done name-calling. we have to make sure that whoever we endorse will support our cause. the same thing that is going on because they have moved alec and others, they have moved from state to state with right to work. i have been fighting right to work in west virginia. we got a preliminary and junction against it. but we are looking at the big picture. not just a presidential race. i think you will see an announcement from us. we will not support anybody who supports right to work. >> mr. zuckerman? mr. zuckerman: we got surveys and are filling them out. we will support the person that supports the union. that is what local you -- local

89 will support. i want to talk about the right to work. in kentucky, we worked hard with the afl-cio to make sure that we always defeat right to work. we did defeat right to work. we worked and we worked and we worked, they had a special election, we won three feet and any politician in kentucky will tell you, it wasn't for the have right tod work. in west virginia, they didn't do the job to keep it out of there. >> mr. hall? mr. hall: i can only respond that the record is clear. not only did we work with the afl-cio unions, i went to the person designated for labor to testify for three hours at the judiciary committee, and just two weeks ago, i was the person the afl asked to represent the entire labor movement in west virginia in a court hearing, where we sought a preliminary

injunction to stop right to work for now. we were successful at that. for fred to suggest that that means we are not working with afl-cio is yet another thing that is not exactly true. >> it is my discretion to ask the following question. issue.to get at this obviously, you are in a hard spot, given this is a presidential election cycle. is there any truth to the idea that the teamsters would like to endorse hillary clinton, but are worried that would rankle the rank and file that may be supporting donald trump? mr. hall. mr. hall: let's be clear. if you look at working people across the country, there, our members have questions about both of the candidates. i think it is clear that one of them is, i am reminded of other people, one of them seems to be an angry man who spews out lots of falsehood.

he has already demonstrated he is for right to work. i think once we have given our members the message and they understand, and the republican platform, we have been educating our members about the republican platform. to do exactly what you are talking about, make sure we are not just saying, we tell you support this. they have to be on board with that. that is what we are doing. the answer is, we will not wait. in theguess you will see annexed 7-14 days, an endorsement from the teamsters. mr. burr: mr. zuckerman, 45 seconds. mr. zuckerman: i think the idt has squandered an opportunity, typically in these types of elections, you go and you talk to the candidates, you identify the ones that you want to endorse, and then, you work with them to make sure that they are help you going forward. you negotiate with them. the idt has squandered that. we are 75 days away from the election. it is too late to do that now. mr. burr: we'll get one more let -- one more round from the

panel, then we will go to questions submitted by the campaigns and members. the next question is for mr. zuckerman. union hasknow, the touted the end of the 1980 nine consent to create that dictated federal supervision of the union. i have restricted -- it restricted unit duties. it has been replaced by documents which permanently replace the independent review board with a different enforcement mechanism. it also requires that elections be independently supervised. i am wondering your view of how significant are these changes, and how you expect union governance to change under the new final agreement. mr. zuckerman: i think of was a mistake to petition the court and try to get out of the consent order at the time that they did last january. they are fully aware that there is still corruption in the union. and told themourt that we were corruption-free, and we are not. every day, you hear something

new about corruption, and the idt is not doing anything to correct it. we have an international vice president out west who has been brought out -- brought up on charges that the idt has delayed twice now, and his hearing won't be until october 11. there is no question he will get thrown out of the union for what he did. i read his deposition and the charges, and he admitted to a lot of the things they accused him of. there is no getting out of that. we have another incident with the ohio conference, ken hall was directly involved in that. his job to monitor what the ohio conference was doing year after year. in our business, we are required to send in monthly trustee reports, and the idt has the ability to go in there and audit the conference. he didn't do that. a 2006, we were given recommendation by the idt to

shut all the conference is down. i was the president of the kentucky-west virginia conference. on that conference. we shut it down for exactly the reasons they took the ohio conference down and put it into trusteeship. mr. burr: your response? mr. hall: you were the head of that conference at the time, fred. all, he is talking about people that have been charged. there are people that have been charged, and there will always be people who have been charged. i don't know, i don't believe fred will be the judge and jury on this, but we believe in the same concept that we believe for our members. if they get terminated by the company, they are not guilty until proven innocent. they are innocent until proven guilty. at the courts decide, then we will address it in the same, in the manner we should. i want to point out, fred's $220,000ate embezzled

from the union, and this is what fred said. whatever i can do to help, i am in. brothers forever. he supported him breaking the union for $220,000 because he was his running mate. this is your e-mail. mr. burr: your response? mr. zuckerman: brad was jim hoffa's take for vice president. help,e needed some probably with that e-mail says, i hope -- i told him i would help him with legal fees or whatever. that was before the irb reports got out, and those kinds of things. ken knew in two dozen six, i was president of the conference. we closed it down because we were told to close it down for all of the reasons why the ohio conference should of been closed down. question for mr. hall, it comes from kimberly atkins. like with all elections, turnout is important.

in the last election in 2011, about 250,000 members voted, that is less than 1/5 of the total membership. why is the membership so turned out? mr. hall: turnout is and always sinceen a problem for us, we started the direct elections. i absolutely support, always, having our members have the opportunity to vote for the top offices. one of the things, we tried lots of different things. the election offices, last time, had celebrities doing robo calls to members to try to get them to come out and vote. are,nk a lot of the issues if a member is satisfied with their contract and satisfied with things are going, they don't bother to get involved in the process. and that is unfortunate. we would like, it would benefit me in this campaign, or the hoffa-hall teen, if we had 90% turnout. but that is something we have been working towards to get more people to turn out.

mr. burr: your response? mr. zuckerman: members are angry, just like i am. members are angry. they have lost hope, and quite frankly, they want something different. turn out the vote. i think it will in the selection. have ame, we didn't campaign going. a lot of people work shielded from the election. this time, it is different. we are getting the word out, making sure that people have an opportunity to know that there is an election, and that there is going to be, they will have to get out there and vote. mr. hall: i would point out that the is on the slate on opposite side last time, and it was the lowest voter turnout we have had in all the elections. i don't believe that is white accurate. mr. burr: next question is for mr. zuckerman. in seattle, at the prompting of seattle teamsters and

teamster lawyers, the seattle city council voted to give collective-bargaining rights to independent contractors driving cab driverst, and as well. the issue of whether your members are mislabeled as independent contractors, that has been an issue with the port truckers. this leads to the question of, the next time labor people and progressives push for labor law reform, you are looking at a different kind of job market. all kinds of people may not be in traditional employment relations. what do you think that used or should be talking about in terms of the next generation? how should that work? mr. zuckerman: first of all, i think the teamsters need to pick their own house first. people start getting into discussions about going outside of our core industries. we have a lot of problems with standards, a lot of problems with pensions, problems with all those things. fundamentally, i believe that everybody in america has a right

to get together and join a union. i would not be an opponent to that. i think that the teamsters union should fix their own problems before we start going outside and fixing somebody else's problems. mr. burr: mr. hall? mr. hall: i don't consider organizing new workers outside. i considers that something that is our duty to do. sayoesn't square to me to that we should fix the problems before we organize, when i have heard us criticized because we do not organize enough. in terms of trying to answer directly the question of uber, uber and others like them, with the technology, we know this is the new frontier. we have to be very careful. we want to give them representation. theave also been leading fight against misclassification of workers, so we are not going thatter into a contract

waves our right to challenge the misclassification. that is really the struggle right now. we are looking into getting into those industries, and we should. we have to move with the times. but we also have to protect the integrity of those contracts. mr. burr: mr. zuckerman? you have 30 seconds. mr. zuckerman: i'm sorry. like i said before, they have a right. americans have a right to have a voice in what they want if they collectively assert that voice, i think that is a good thing. i think, like i said before, we need to fix our problems for us. we have a lot of problems. we are not organizing. we have lost 400,000 members in the 17 years that hoffa has been there. on the to focus industries that we already have. mr. burr: thank you. we will now go to a portion well i -- where i will ask questions

submitted by your campaigns to each other, as well as question submitted by members of the teamsters. the question goes to mr. hall. this question is from frank of local 630 in los angeles. i will read some words here, you are from mr. villa. celebrated the government getting out of the union, and your former anticorruption czar respond?do leaders circle the wagons or repudiate? him innocent. today, he is in jail. he refused to hold hearings on corruption charges against your running mate. for taking employer get in exchange for contract concessions. -- gifts in exchange for contract concessions. first of all, i think they must be talking about, i am not certain, they didn't name

names but i believe they are talking about somebody in the first instance who we did not try and find innocent. they went through the court system and were found guilty. once they were found guilty, they were removed. in court.y get 30 and we complied with that. the one thing that is there, let me be clear, the teamsters union does not condone violence, nor do they condone corruption. case of my running mate, i answered this once, he is going for the system. we are not delaying anything. we followed our constitution, and his hearing is scheduled, and that is what is supposed to happen. we will talk about, we will deal with that once his case is heard, just like we have for the last 25 years. mr. burr: your response, mr. zuckerman? mr. zuckerman: corruption in the unions is unacceptable. the first gentleman he was talking about, and the lady in

boston, the idt knew for years about what was going on up there and wouldn't act on it. he was the director of a division, i forget which division, but tonight, he is sitting in jail because the idt never did do anything about it, and they allowed him to continue in his capacity in leadership when they knew that things were wrong. the pain -- the same things as -- are happening with the director of the dairy division, the director of the warehouse division. they should've at least suspended him instead of , toinuing to allow him to represent the membership in any of those divisions. mr. burr: your response? mr. hall: have you send him any money for your -- for legal expenses? we have covered this. fred, there is something you have a chance to fix. you have got, one of your

delegates was disqualified by the election office, and was not only disqualified, but and from being at the convention, banned from even being in a hotel. what action did you take? you appealed that decision. in the appeal, after first denying it happened, your lawyers agreed it happened, but you didn't like the penalty. have you done anything, did you remove him as steward? mr. zuckerman: to answer the question -- mr. burr: we asked you several questions. mr. zuckerman: this is getting ridiculous. guy, hene guy push a got disqualified for being a delegate, and that was the end. as for me sending brad any money, i know percent him any money. have you make this stuff up? you are making it up. as you puke going, you make stuff up, and that is the problem.

you will always get caught in a lie. mr. burr: i will give you 45 seconds. mr. hall: i think you said in the e-mail, maybe i sent him that to do something about legal expenses before the irb report. i took it from what you just said. that i would point out in your e-mail, it was clear that he has been put in trusteeship, and your words are your words. it is not just a small incident that happened in local 89. this was battery on another of inlet your local union, who was a steward. i will ask you again, did you remove him as a steward, or are you you allowing someone to represent your local union who was convicted, not charged, as you talked about some of the other people, convicted of committing battery against another member? mr. burr: we could go on and off for a little while, it seems, so i will move on. you can use your time any point later on to respond if you would

like. this is for mr. zuckerman, 639.tted by tommy of local mr. zuckerman, you have said the solution to the pension problem is to organize workers into pension plans. you have organized in the last five years, how many companies have you put into the central state pension fund? -- zuckerman: three out of 5 three out of four. let me just say about that, i am a proponent of supporting the central state pension fund, the international union. they are doing everything they can do to kill it. i organize three companies recently. we put in, it was precision auto corrugated, and the voice people we got act after -- we got back after the international union wouldn't

help us after the battle. we need to continue to do that. i can tell you one thing, i have got more central states pension hasicipants then can hall in his local. he has lost 25% of his local, and i have more participating in central states. mr. burr: would you like to respond? mr. hall: at one point, fred, i thought you were confused. now, i think you might just be lining. 400,000 members that we lost, do million members i don't know about? 25%? you are making it up as you go. let's do this. let's talk about, you told everybody around the country about voigt. i have an e-mail where you thanked the general counsel for giving him assistance on benefits. let's talk about this.

his lawyer represented and won the case for you, then you met with the company, cut a deal for $15 million, the regional take it, andsed to had to sit you back to get $20 million. you settled short again, fred. 30 seconds isn't going to be able to respond to this. there was no agreement for $15 million, it was always 21.6 million dollars. the regional director never said us back to get any money. that is a lie. what else was there? there are plenty more lies. i just can't keep up with them all. he keeps spewing them out there. we are goinghink back to mr. hall next. mr. hall, a question for you from paul, local 377 in youngstown, ohio. i hauled gm cars out of the plant in ohio.

auto companies are making record aofits, but hoffa negotiated contract rejected by 87% of our members. when the ups contract was negotiated, to words of members voted down supplements after health care was cut. doesn't the show the national leadership is out of touch with the members? well, my opponent has been trying to get people to turn down the current contract. here's what i would point out in terms of how we negotiate. fred became the director in 2005. .e was the car hall director i was the director of ups. here is how it turned out. hour in$6.65 per raises, car haulers got $1.75 per hour in raises. we are not talking about concessions, we are talking about, somebody who is, just

like you did with ups, fred is playing politics with the car haulers contract. that is better than the one he negotiated. his in 2008 words rejected by the members -- was rejected by the members. he forgot to get the work reservation agreement signed, and tried to claim he did. he went to the nlrb, who rejected that. , you have worked preservation. it wasn't signed. i don't need any lectures from someone who has, who has been such a failure, and by the way, fred, i was wrong and i'm going to admit it, when i said you lost half of our members. 9202nt from a little over 4200. that is more than half. mr. burr: mr. zuckerman, 45 seconds. mr. zuckerman: there is a lot of truth in that. indoesn't understand that

2008 when we negotiated the contract, there were three manufacturers that were in bankruptcy were close. border -- ford motor company mortgaged everything they had and borrowed money so they could avoid bankruptcy. general motors and chrysler had gone into bankruptcy, and the government had to bail them out. those are pretty tough times back then. no question. you have to understand, these car haul companies have a handful of customers. gm, ford, chrysler. all of them were in the toilet. you have toyota, honda, nissan, those kinds of things, those were very tough times. i will tell you one thing, tom, and ken has the utmost respect for tom -- mr. burr: your time is up. mr. zuckerman: he said i did in outstanding job -- an outstanding job. mr. burr: mr. hall? facts matterhink

sometimes, in most cases. the numbers i gave you are the numbers that are reflected as the number of active members we have working. the contract, you may have had tough times in 2008. you did negotiate another contract in 2011. in 2011, you had the same kinds of wage increases. in fact, when you started as car haul director, and looked at what car hollers were making, ups folks, over the same timeframe, when you took over as members were haul within five dollars of ups workers. that is now over $10. that is the kind of leadership that you provided. you don't know how to settle anything. mr. burr: thank you. next question is for mr. zuckerman. this was submitted by the other campaign.

you have campaigned against pdu in your local for years. at one point, the question says, you call them tear down unions. you had vanity plates on your motorcycle that said, td you -- why do you take their support? mr. zuckerman: i don't support anybody other than the membership. the membership is who pays my salary. is right for the membership, that's what i support. so if you say i flip lopped because i do not support hoffa anymore, or i flip lopped on the td you issue, i don't consider it flip-flopping. have formed a coalition to run against a corrupt organization, a corrupt executive board, and they are on board with that. i wantnever been tdu.

everybody to hear that, because all of you are going around saying, these are -- he is a tdu guy and will tear down the union. tdu.tdu says i am not never happened. so we formed a coalition, they agree on the same principles in this campaign that we agree on, we have to eliminate corruption, we have to eliminate the week contracts, we have to eliminate the ibt lying to the membership, didicularly what mr. hall on the last ups contract, we have to stop that. they agree with me on those issues, they support my campaign, and frankly, i appreciate the support of that group, including at least thousands and thousands of hoffa , ex-hoffa supporters. guys,s they are all tdu too. mr. hall: you are angry.

i would say, let's put it this way. 10 out of 11 people who are around today in the teamsters who ran on your slate last time are now supporting the hoffa-hall slate, because they figured out who you are. i would say this, at one time, they had your picture on a milk carton that said you were missing. 230 $9,000 offke their dues, and you are missing is the director. this came from tdu. i can't orwer whether you are tdu not, and frankly don't care. mr. burr: mr. zuckerman, do you want to redirect? mr. zuckerman: no. there is no sense in it. all right, we are saving time. mr. hall, this came from a text. i do not have the members name. how could the last contract with

united parcel service imposed on the membership, despite repeatedly being voted down by the central region? this contract's concession-filled and ups bargaining unit employees are >> i don't even know what they are talking about. right to strike. there nothing changing in the contract about that. information that said about four in one of our members think the health care is good. i would challenge him to tell me tonight specifically what about it is bad. reason this contract was decided is because fred that he's going to play politics with it. let's talk about what happened with his negotiation. the company had $1000 per member of racial issue on the table. that is $8 million that fred

took off the table and traded it for a problem he failed to fix in 2002. fred has six hour, full-time jobs. i know this, instead of worrying about full-time jobs, he has 600 and some jobs that have a six hour guarantee, part-time benefits, hard time wages. except the part-timers don't get overtime and they work over five like they do everywhere else in the united states of america. if you look at how much money that come he says, it is over $8 million a year on that. that is $16 million that fred get back to them and concessions. it is no secret why ups has the largest air hub in their operation in louisville kentucky -- louisville, kentucky. he got a sweetheart deal with fred zuckerman. >> that airhead has been there before me. you did give up the right to strike because you failed to

file the f7 notice which is a federal requirement to have the legal ability to strike. i did eight request during that time and you never sent it in on time. the health care is concessionary. stood up there and said we are not going to make $90 or nine dollars or nine cents for health care. i just left new jersey and instead of a 40's that raised we were supposed to get, they got a $.10 raise because $.30 of that risk have to get health care. on the west coast, they have to use a pension money. and the benefits are far inferior to the company plan. and we have deposition from a guy at ups who said you are the one that proposed this. it was not a company that proposed team care. >> i don't know where to start with all about. what i would tell you is, first of all, i have sent you letters and copies of them. i know you are sensitive to the

issue of not opening the contract. you had a issue with your local. i'm also told you did not open the contract and car hall -- in carhall. i'm going to tell you, tell me specifically some of the rhetoric, tell this audience what the problem is with the health insurance? if there is a legitimate problem, i would be happy to address it. >> i will stick to answer the questions -- asking the questions. we had a lot of questions about pensions. i would like to pin you down specifically, what would you differently -- you do differently about the pension plan? >> what would i do now? a couple things. we have to work but the plans, not against the plan. number two, we're going to need some kind of government health to stabilize the fund. -- help to stabilize the fun.

they only have enough money to last 8-10 years. we need to make sure that happens. nobody is going to give us money to continue to pay our bills. you will not get it from the government or the tooth fairy. we have to implement some kind of help. that takes organizing in the core industries and putting people back to the pension. >> i don't disagree. the more members we have, but better. that is part of the solution. is, to say that it is not me that has been bashing central state. i will tell you, we do have to work together. i said that earlier. we have to continue. we are working on plans now. part of it is going to have to be getting help from the government. they bailed out and gave loans to all these people who destroyed the economy and we have to put the kind of pressure

on the to do it. there are other things we can do that we are trying to do that are going to be able to prevent -- we have to make this work. we have to stop finger-pointing, stop the blame game. everybody should be working together because this is the most important issue facing our members and our retirees. >> that is precious. for them to come up. and they have destroyed the fund over 17 years and tell you a couple days before an election that we are out there trying to get something done. you have got to be kidding me. they are the ones that destroyed this pension fund. now you are out there -- why were you not doing that 17 years ago? you're the one that took them out. you collapsed the fund. you said on the executive board thedid not do a -- sat on executive board and did not do a with the core

industries. now your turn to say it is a bad situation. it is too late. you need to leave and put people in their that will get the job done. -- there that will get the job done. >> first of all, we are not too late. to say it is too late to do something to fix our members pension is irresponsible. we have to continue to fight this. i don't know what part of this you don't understand. since 2003, we have not done this or that come off we have brought more people into the freight industry since 2003. you know that. you continue to talk about letting ups out and the fact is you sat on the national negotiating committee and voted for it. you recommended to the members and they voted it. audience you tell the ups out ofu take

their plan and put them into the central state if you are elected? >> you will not be able to do that. you are you convinced the upsers that they will not be able to get the job done. you destroyed the fun. you cannot come back to them and say, let's put them back in the fund. another thing you did is you destroyed a penchant for every to person that retired prior 2008. under the last submission to treasury, those folks are going to get cut 70%. it is a good thing that i got rejected. the people that you are supposed to represent would have lost everything that they had. that is because of your decision. >> mr. hall, the next question. back tedl unions have strickland for ohio senator. international limited of teamsters has endorsed rob portman. can you explain the endorsement?

>> it is simply because of the issue that we have been talking to much about. much about. it is a difficult decision because we are opposed to free trade. we are leading the fight on tpp and others. we refer to tpp as nafta on steroids. the sole reason is because we have a commitment that he would vote for our members on the issue of pension reform. message and ihis told you earlier, you have heard me say couple of times, it does not matter if you're a democrat or a republican, we have got people to we have supported in the past who was not willing to step up to the plate when it came to be pension issue. that is our litmus test. if they will not stand up for our member pension -- members pensions, they will not get our support.

if it is a republican that comes forward and demonstrate by his boat, which he did, -- vote, which he did, then we must fall hard on some other issues and make sure we are supporting somebody who's going to address the most important issue we have facing our members today. you what they are thinking up there. the don't communicate with me at all ever since i started opposing their leadership. they took me off all the national committees. it took me off the grievance committees. they don't return my letters. they don't return my phone calls. whatever they are thinking with regards to some kind of support for anybody, i have no idea. awould like to jump back just minute and talk about the six-hour jobs that he is talking about. he brought that up last time. he said i converted full-time jobs to part-time jobs. which is an absolute lie. office,before i took

the incumbent signed an agreement would ups to have six-hour jobs. that comes from the part-time rents. not the full-time rents. the three-hour guys get to bid on six-hour jobs. they are making 70-80,000 dollars a year. initially we had gone to the ibt for help to get them to invalidate the agreement because it was signed the day before we had taken office. he knows about the. -- it. >> your time is up. us for helping i drove from a local to louisville, kentucky the prep with the lawyers to go to arbitration to overturn that because someone from his local had signed it on the last day in office. the person that did that is tom kahneman -- treneman. he turned around two years ago and had him and paid him him a lot of money as a consultant to

represent ups workers. >> next question to mr. zuckerman. raul gonzalez. he is a second-generation freight teamster. he wants to ask what you would have done in 2014 if you are the general president wendy -- when the yrc after the extension. and what would you do to rebuild teamster power in front -- freight? >> they negotiated that without knowing what was going to happen to the teamsters. i was a part of it to make committee. he said that we are going to agree to a 25% contribution rate. i was the man who asked the question, how is that going to affect everybody in these plans? he said he had not talked to

anyone in the plans. because of that, i went back to my membership and told them to reject the agreement which they did unanimously. nobody knew when the teamsters were voting on that agreement that they were going to kick them out of the western conference pension fund. they kick them out and put them in the 401(k). there was one guy who wanted to retire early he was working 300 paid hours to retire early and they told him he cannot do it now have to work until his 65 years old. failed to dohe ibt their job. with regard to the 2014 negotiations, i don't know because i'm not privy to any communication with the ibt because i am in the doghouse. i don't know exactly what the negotiations were. one of the things i certainly would have done is involved in membership in these discussions, which they did not do. >> time is up.

anything going on right with teamsters? it is tough. in 2008 when we found out we were on the brink of bankruptcy, it was because the ceo dollars had run the company totally in the ground. what we are left with is what we are dealing with today. we don't agree with a lot of things they do. we don't agree with management, getting paid bonuses. we have a company that provides about $2 billion per year in wages and benefits for our members and we can make the decision because we are angry. we have to give our members an opportunity and that is what we did. we negotiated an agreement and said to be members, do you want to? we are not recommending --what it? -- want it?

we are not recommended. it is a tough question. >> contrary to what he says with ups freight, we have not been ht.anizing freig they blame the pension problems on the regulation. that was 36 years ago. you have to give it a break. it was a long time ago. there are just as many freight companies, drivers on the road today that there was back then. the problem is that we have not been anything about it. we have not been out there to organize anybody. ysd we done that, the yrc gu would not be in the problem they are in today. they would not be competing with the nonunion's down here. >> time is up. one more round for the panel as we close this up. the next question is for mr. hall. >> another pension question.

a teamster vice president told theof my colleagues that union is working on a proposal that would create other sources of funding for multiplayer plans that would require legislative action but would not revolve -- involve government funding. can you tell me about this? >> we continue to work on a plan that is similar to the structure you talked about. i have to say, it is one thing to be given all of corporate america and opportunity to watch us and have somebody downgrade everything going on with us. i will not reveal specifically what we're talking about because it is confidential. if that were to lead, it damages -- leak, it damages our ability to move forward. reason we are sparring appeared is because

there is because there's a tremendous a lot of people out here that believe that the administration is corrupt and not doing their job, they are not organizing and so on. i have seen the copy of the plan. the plan is a disaster. it is confidential, i will not reveal what is in the plan. it is not going to work. it is a plan that they say they have that they're putting around that has zero chance of success. it is not going anywhere. >> a rebuttal? certain, iually don't know how he would receive the plan, we don't talk to him. this is too important of an issue to play games with. that is what has been going on. it has to stop. tonight, there's going to be an election. when the election is over, there are still going to be a teamster union to run. we don't need to run it into the ground tonight just for the sake

of elections. we need to be looking at the future and that is what we are going to do on this pension issue. >> next question. >> as a political reporter, i hear a lot about the dwindling power of organized labor across the country. what will you do if elected to boost the power of labor unions to benefit your members? >> organized. you have to get out on the street. we are wasting a lot of money not putting it where it deserves. we have to organize and get out there and reach out to folks. we got to -- that should be the number one priority. i have three purchase. -- priorities. fix the pension problem. rid the teamster union of corruption. and organize. those are the top three things that need to be done. if we do that, we stand a chance of success. , notay we are doing it now

many people want to join the teamster union because all of the things i just said. everybody knows it is out there. everybody knows it has a reputation. it is difficult to organize. we have to change that. we have to change that mindset to make people want to be in the teamster union. i tell the story a lot because i think it is important. 37 years ago i joined the team to union. i used to look at those guys in the trucks and i admired them. they had everything. they had good wages, benefits, job security, vacation time, a boat and their driveway -- in their driveway. they had it all. i wanted that. today, it is not like that. we have to get that back. >> i can tell you one thing for certain, i still admire teamsters. i still admire disorganization. whenrms of your question,

i said earlier, we are not just talk about a presidential race, we're talking about members of congress and the state level. one of the things we're doing is trying to go and operate more at the state level. nothing will happen in congress. on what dategree is. is.ay it a lot of the action and politics is that the state level. we are having meetings with our activists around the country. we will invite you also fred. we return to work on the legislation at the state level so we are building power amongst our members. we are not going to get there through conditional means of dealing with congress. >> mr. zuckerman. >> i appreciate the invite. for years i have not been invited to anything. inky. -- thank you. cannot even return my phone calls or letters. that is all i got. myers we will move to mr.

with the last question for mr. hall. inthere has been an upsurge worker mobilization on the streets in the last couple of years in the fight for $15 and low-wage workers mobilizing. the unions involved in that have been able to translate that into membership gains. it is really hard. i hardly need to tell you that. organizing in the private sector is difficult now. is there any way the teamsters theseay a greater role i mobilizations -- in these mobilizations? >> i do. we partner with lots of other unions on a daily basis. i think that is one of the ways. to go back to the previous

question, one of the ways of us building power is getting more people in this country who have the respect and desire to join unions. it is not go to happen overnight. we knew when the fight for 15 started, it will not result in a lot of the membership now. but it builds on the progress. a lot of people don't know this, we have upsers and their average part-time rate is 1499 an hour. but when you plug in the benefits, it is about $31 per hour. we try to use these examples to inspire people to work and go to the ball. that is what we have been trying to do. we have been trying to give them and empower them to go to the boss and demand it and be able to stand up. it is difficult. it will not happen the next year or two. we are making progress on the issue. union -- teamster union is to change their focus

on the mergers and grading of other unions. we not going out to the public sector tried to organize those books. under my administration, that is exactly what we will do. the public sector folks need representation. we will get all we can get. but we can't neglect our core industries, which we have done. i have said it probably a dozen times tonight because it is absolutely critical that we do that or we are going to lose our core industries. >> 52nd rebuttal, mr. hall. 50 second rebuttal, mr. hall. >> we have organized more in the past of years in the previous 30. it has is not caught on yet. not in fred's local. get organized without a your curse -- 108 workers in the past

eight years. you had for companies that decertified that said they want out of the union because i assume, the representation. >> thank you. we will now move to the closing statements. mr. hall will go first and mr. zuckerman will go last. >> i'm proud of the union. i predicted that fred might be angry and you have seen it. we have a great union. we are responsible for keeping people in the class and moving them up. we do have issues. we have issues like pension that we have to continue to work together on regardless of who wins this election. we don't need to have scorched earth and destroy this union in debate and campaigns. we need to let the members vote. i would urge all of the members to vote. we need to talk about the real issues. pension is the real issue. runningo say, fred is

-- the guy with that was running for fred spot lost his own election. the people think of him best voted against him by 70%. he is running for general secretary of treasury. fred has played games with these contract for political purposes. it a shame. they signed off on the supplement and it was the grace of whatever, we bounced e-mails where the e-mail become a saying, we are out there try to sell it. they just played politics. they lied to the members. they talk about corruption that he is not answered the question you. in my local, that would be an incredibly easy decision if we had a steward who committed battery and was found guilty, i would move the steward. he has taken money from somebody in rhode island, one of the delegates who retaliated against

another member and got them disappoint. -- disappoint. disciplined. that is not what this union is about. it is about having the best contracts. it is about working together to solve the problems that face us. i thank you for the opportunities to be here. i ask you regardless of he will vote for, cast your ballot. -- who you will vote for, cast about. >> he cannot run on his record. it is a record of the year. -- failure. -- nothing can be further from the truth. contracts in every industry have been gutted because of his failed leadership. health care been gutted by this administration. remembers ken hall same we will not pay $90, nine dollars or nine cents per health care.

we ended up a much more threat reduction of benefits, using wage increases and pension contributions to pay for our health care in addition to a 600% cost increase in retirement benefits. teamsters in,000 others state, local and are at risk it was in their 'snsion because of hoffa neglect to organize and his failure with pension funds and allowing employees to leave the funds. we face your challenges -- serious challenges that will not be fixed with a corrupt administration. our members are willing to fight for a better future. they want leadership to fight with them. it is time we had leadership that will stand with the members instead of taking the size of the employers. my promise to you is i will get rid of the corruption.

anyone who commits a crime against membership has to being -- business being in a leadership position. we will organize an increase membership because that is what will strengthen the job security thosensions in industries. we will find solutions to the multiplayer pension crisis in order to save the pensions of the hundreds and thousands of teamsters who would otherwise lose their pensions. let's fix the problem standing between us and get a brighter future. thank you. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. this concludes the 2016 teamster officer candidate forum. [applause] i would like to thank our audience for abiding by the rules. i would like you think the panelists as well. thank you very much for being here. [applause]

i would also like to thank the vice chair and chair of the news committee. this'll be available at ibtvote.org. we will at the candidates continued their campaign. teamster members, please look for your ballot in october. ballot -- becret sure to cast your ballot. thank you. and good evening. [applause]

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