hear from her. in fact, the congresswoman has arrived at -- arrived, but is not speaking it. we will have live coverage when she talks. arizonae coverage from from john mccain. it will be has six consecutive term. live coverage of speeches and your reactions on the phone and by twitter, when it all gets underway shortly on c-span. in the meantime, we will show you a news conference from the house judiciary policing working group in detroit. they held a news conference there. this was cochaired by bob goodlatte and john conyers of michigan.

>> we will go ahead and get started. i want to thank all of you for being here, and to those watching this on facebook, welcome. my name is bob goodlatte, and i'm the chairman of the house judiciary committee. it has been a privilege to come to detroit with members of the bipartisan policing strategies working group, and meet with local law enforcement, community leaders, and youths to discuss what is a nationwide problem that needs to be addressed community by community, but also needs to be addressed by our federal government, as well. my colleague and friend john, ranking member of the judiciary committee and cochairman of this working group for inviting the group to detroit.

and i want to thank the people of detroit for making us all .eel very welcome over the last two days, we have discussed how to best strengthen the relationship between law enforcement and the communities they serve and protect. conscience has been rocked by a series of a violent andcks on police officers instances of apparent excessive force by police officers that raises these questions. as a nation, it is imperative that we come together and address this issue. we all want to see an end to senseless violence, and all too that we see all too often. this needs to be addressed at the local level. it has been encouraging to hear from leaders here in detroit on how they are dressing them. i want to thank our roundtable participants from the police officers association of michigan

, the civil liberties union, the wayne county prosecutor, the mason, andndsay chief crag of the detroit police for speaking candidly about how they are meeting challenges that are driving a wedge between law enforcement and the communities they serve and what challenges remain. it has been beneficial to hear their ideas on meeting ms. remaining challenges. betweenes fueling trust law enforcement and communities they serve will not be solved overnight. however, this should not the terrorist from devoting urgent attention to this matter of national importance. of the bipartisan strategies working group, we are holding a series of private roundtables to determine what can be done at the federal level. we still have much work to do,

but all of us are committed to finding solutions. and for that, i want to yield to john conyers, the ranking chairman. thank you for having us. thank you so much, bob goodlatte. for you to come to detroit. i cannot claim that i persuaded you to do this, that you understood that the unique challenges of detroit pulled that we arey issues already examining on the house judiciary committee. this bipartisan policing doesegies working group not only, our committee, but the

city of detroit and its leadership that was here for these two days to examine the relationship of how we improve law enforcement and community leaders joining together for this very critical discussion that has been held. during the august district work period, i spent my time meeting with a half dozen mayors and police chiefs of the cities in startingd detroit, with of the largest city in michigan, detroit. i am happy to bring all of these well-intentioned members of now,ess who are here

dedicated to bettering relationships between the police and communities. as over the last few years we have witnessed since these acts of violence that have taken the lives of both civilians and law enforcement, seemingly deepening the divide between the two. members of congress, we strongly denounced this divisive reports oflowing excessive force and subsequent devastation that goes back to of 1967, whichts made a profound impact upon me. as a former chairman of the house judiciary committee, i

attended hearings on police issues in los angeles, miami, new york city, dallas, and even other countries. and, set the stage for the passage of landmark legislation of the pattern and practice enforcement law that i introduced the past judiciary committee was signed into law that allowed the department of justice to investigate state and forl departments unconstitutional and discriminatory content. this conference here was and i'mly inspiring, sure we will be continuing this excellent work when we returned to the congress. think all of you for coming

and for participating in it. >> next we have congressman doug collins from georgia. rep. collins: thank you, it is good to be here. one of the things that has been , this is not a recent issue. it is not a big city or small city issue, it is a community issue found north, south, east, west. our backgrounds are so different, mine is eight pastor and chaplain in the air force, but as a state trooper. we all bring this together to say, what can we do? one of the things that is broken is the trust in our country. what makes us who we are is the ability to step up as members of the community and law enforcement to say, if you take

a step toward me, i take a step toward you. nothing, these meetings are starting a grand vision of things happening outside of this conversation, national conversations on the reality we have seen in the streets on both sides. there is nothing we cannot move forward with. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee from texas. thank you very much to and the very important working committee meeting that we have had. let me think ranking member conyers and chairman. let me also acknowledge congressman doug collins, brenda lawrence, former mayor, thank you for having us in your district. kelly, andan robin

other members were unable to be here. you, thisckly say to is one of the most powerful discussions on police and community relations i have had the privilege of being in. working grouplice being in every city in hamlet in america, we would engage in these kinds of discussions. because in times of tragedy in 911, youhen you dial are looking for law enforcement to come. them,u're looking for holding up your hand, to be rescued. so it is important to note that we need law enforcement, it is important to note to law enforcement officials out there and the families and communities, they want policing, and they want a safe and secure neighborhood. we need to get away from this

general statement that law enforcement is disliked in our community. that is not true. but i think what is important is to note the fact that police and community relations are important and significant. and join the voices that say it is probably the most significant civil rights issue of our time. it is the most significant civil rights issue of our time. one of the things we base trust judge, i had to issue probable cause warrants to police officers. i had do listen to them tell me that this address in this needed to be entered at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning. i had to trust them, and they had to trust my judgment. and the way you do that is with information. is what we have determined that of 18,000 police departments, through data from the marshall project, only 53

have committed to the white house when the white house asked if they would submit voluntary statistics on what happened in their police work. the arrests, the shootings, their incidents that deal with aggression and police actions where police have aggression actions -- aggressive actions against them. it is the basis of the trust and integrity act, but also, one of the comments we heard about how important it is to have statistics. because statistics are a part of the science of policing. americans really want to have a secure and strong police department. so what are we doing? what i would like to suggest, is that we open our hearts and to police officers that are diverse, but also, this

underlying racism, that casts african-american males in a certain light. we need to understand this and dialogue about it. the many cases that involved tamir rice and michael brown, and walter scott. how do we help? i hope that we will think about a social worker in police departments. we will think about cleaning up neighborhoods making neighborhoods a place where police do not have to come in to an impoverished neighborhood with no resources so the neighborhoods themselves are mad. then, we need to pay our police officers and train them. and finally, we need to be able to have the element of de-escalation, something i have learned from a police officers, to give them the tools they need to address the crisis so that they can go home with their families.

i want to give a challenge to city.iends around this you can be proud of your law enforcement, your sheriffs, police chiefs, your leadership of the social service agencies, and civil rights agencies. we learned a lot from them today. but we do have a legislative initiative for law enforcement trust and integrity act. we can claim it to be a bipartisan bill, the hard work of our members. let me tell you what my dream is. a big pressto have conference in washington on the way to the floor of the house, with all of the law enforcement tobers in america coming support this initiative. transparency and demanding the data of what you do every day. as we have this, truth and

, we passed the legislation to be signed by the president and turn the corner on police and community relations in this nation. congressman reichert from washington state. >> good afternoon everyone. i want to echo the comments made by the previous speakers. this has been a very interesting and healthy, open discussion but i hope we can continue across the country and in other cities. and other counties. with sheila jackson lee, we have much to be proud of here .n detroit over the past few days we have met with community leaders who were engaged, who were energetic, who are passionate

about solving problems within your city about bringing the community together. have great ideas and programs already in place. hope, and a lot about hope is alive in detroit. that is what i have learned in the past two days. a lot of great things happening bring the police and community together. and your leaders are a big part of that effort. i appreciate the opportunity to be here and meet the folks of detroit. i have only been here one other time before, and that was back in the 1980's. i turned 66 yesterday. 33 years as a police officer in the king county sheriff's office in seattle, and i have seen a lot of tragic events, lost a partner, investigated a serial

murder case with over 50 people murdered over a 19 year period, collected of over 100 dead girls' bodies. these are memories you do not forget. they stay with you. is, i am very proud to be a part of this that isional delegation focused on not just bringing policing communities together, this is about our kids and our children, the future of our country, the kids in our communities. and what creates success and brings people together is our children. because we all want the same for our children. we want peace, hope, opportunity. those are the things where i think our money would be much better spent than on drug rehab,

alcohol rehab, mental illness. yes, we need to have that money at the back end, but if we prevent those things from happening in the beginning, if we create loving, caring communities and families and give those children opportunities for education and hope for the future for them and their families, i think we solve a lot of the problems that we place on the police departments. we have said basically to the cops, our social structure is falling apart. and guess what, you are the ones dealing with it every day face-to-face. i had my throat cut in the early 1970's, had 45 stitches. a guy jumped me with a butcher's knife. he was mentally ill. as a one and a half year veteran of the sheriff's office, he went to a mental institution, came back, and then tried to kill his

wife again. i just appreciate the comments from your community leaders today, moving in that direction to create hope here in detroit. thank you. >> david, happy birthday, a day late. we now have congresswoman robin kelly from illinois. i am ally: hello, congresswoman from the second congressional district of illinois. that is chicago area. if you read the paper, you know what i have been dealing with every day. can improveieve we police and community relations. whatnk we can improve happens with the people to people killings. i just came back from a prayer .igil

listen to everybody, and it is an honor to be here, we have to put our money where our mouth is. congresswoman brenda lawrence and i are talking about a bill called urban progress. part of that is police-community relations. it is important to diversify the criminal justice system, not just police, but the prosecutors and on and on. we need a diverse group of people working in these arenas. also, we talked about hope. we have to make sure that people have jobs and job skills. , thate arm our citizens will make it easier for police officers in the neighborhoods. you again, thank you to the dean of the house, i appreciate your hospitality. and i look forward to us coming to chicago. thank you.

>> now we have congressman keith ellison from minnesota. rep. ellison: thank you mr. chairman, it is great to be back in the town i was born in anger up for 22 years. i am a minneapolis congressman, here, wentto school to grad school at wayne state. it is always great to be here with my colleagues, and my family members. family members, my brothers live here. listen, and is to today we did some listening. craig andto chief community leaders and young people. spoken had a tremendous word presentation that was insightful. and, formulate policy with our

local, state, and community to help our country really evil. -- our country really evil. evolve.ountry really there needs to be restraints. we could make every city in america safe, but that would to kick inuld have everybody's door and stop everyone you wanted to. but we do not have a government. we want governments to be accountable. and we are trying to balance safety and freedom, and it is not easy. we will continue to listen and evolve the relationship so

it is symbiotic and enhances safety and freedom of the same time. >> last, but certainly not least, one of our host here in detroit, congressman brenda lawrence. you, it isce: thank an honor to have my colleagues here in our hometown, to show you how the city of detroit has -- has a said this is an issue that is important to all of us. many of you know i was previously a mayor. as we look to these issues of accountability, i look at it as a responsibility that starts at the top. we must invest and fund for our police to get training. we must include community policing in every community, and training includes the training of respective diversity. all, if you do not

invest in training give the tools to the police officers locally, you cannot have accountability. it is like we expect, when we see a doctor, that they will do no harm. of our police department. i can tell you as a mayor setting the stage in the expectation, there is always the human factor. expectu plan, train, and inclusion and equality, respective individuals as human and notnot as animals as everyone is a criminal until and theo different, skill of de-escalation is important. we saw clearly in a case brutality,of police

the officer clearly was not trained in de-escalation. he was clearly just as nervous and unprepared as a person that was walking the streets. we have an opportunity. and what is so powerful about this being bipartisan, i used to say -- when it comes to good policing, it does not have a r or d on it. it is the expectation citizens have when they combine 11 -- call 911. i am so proud to work in the , living andl caucus breathing this every day. we are working hard to make sure that this issue that is so often laid in the lap of urban communities and african-american communities as our problem, that

today, you see this is an issue that we as the united states and is a congress must address. i am so encouraged and i have hope today from the community myple who are here, and amazing colleagues, that we in america will set the town that our police, our police that take an oath to serve and protect, will be that, a reality in america. thank you. >> thank you, brenda. we would be happy to take questions from members of the media. next, and howu go many cities do you plan? all, we do not think this is a problem that can be solved overnight. have,mber one message we is that this type of dialogue and discussion needs to take place all across america. unfortunately, there are just 12

of us. a message can send out that local community leaders, local elected officials, and police chiefs and rank-and-file members of police forces need to sit down and have a dialogue like the one we have here today. we are working in washington in the judiciary committee on a series of bills related to criminal justice reform, including a policing strategy bill led by ranking member conyers. we would like that to move through congress because we think it would promote this kind of better relationship between the niced communities to be happening everywhere in america. that is one of our main projects. cities.visit some other we have had invitations, but have not yet decided where our next stop will be.

>> this being a bipartisan effort, what would prevent legislation coming forward to help solve the issues that you identify here? >> i'm glad you gave me an opportunity to come again because of want to make sure i think the congress people of this community and again thank the dean of the house, he has been on the issue for a very long time. and the mayor knows these issues , particularly de-escalation. to answer your question about pertains ton as it police and engagement, to answer your question, the one thing we want to dispel the myths that we districtsa, meet with and officers and form legislation. that is the genesis of the law

enforcement trust and integrity act that conyers began envisioning for a long time. i mentioned earlier that i started dealing with police brutality is a member of congress way back in the 1990's. -- winning theio senate primary with 72% of that vote. just about to speak to folks here on c-span. >> thank you, thank you very much. thank you very much, it is great to be here with all of you. i really appreciate it. i look forward to working with you. todd wilcox is up with us here today, this man has an incredible future. he has already served our country and incredible ways, i am grateful to be here with him. we are grateful to have known

each other for two decades. thank you for being a part of this. [applause] >> and it want to begin, to thank my lord and savior, jesus , who, and i take great solace in knowing that he will come to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. that gives purpose to my life. i would be remain if i did not mention the people that have been here throughout the good days and the bad ones. that is my wife and four kids. we willell you upfront, probably have to leave quickly can i come i want to see as many people as i can. but they have school tomorrow, a test tomorrow. she will be there, if you are watching.

this has been unusual road back here to you tonight. i was prepared to become a private citizen, i was excited about what that meant. time with the family, other opportunities. but i could not be at peace with the idea that we could potentially lose the senate seat or lose the balance of power in the senate at this critical moment. with a vacancy on the supreme court and the potential that chuck schumer to be the majority leader, with all the issues facing america. i am grateful for the support. thatands of people supported us and helped us along the way, i am really grateful to you for this opportunity. state,republicans in the over 70% of nominated me for the united states senate. [applause] mr. rubio: in about 70 days, the people of florida will choose. and they will have a clear

choice to make. politics are at its best when there are clear choices. it is a very clear choice for the future of our country. i am proud of my service and the things we have achieved in my time as speaker of the florida house and the united states senate. i am proud that i passed the v.a. accountability act, so those were not working to help our veterans will be fired on the v.a.. [applause] mr. rubio: i am proud that i sponsored, wrote, and pass the toughest sanctions yet on the terrorist group hezbollah. i am proud that we passed a bipartisan law to go after human trafficking. i am proud that i wrote and recently passed the foreign aid transparency asked we have more and transparency over how your taxpayer money is being spent. i am proud that i led the effort and we got rid of the obamacare

bailout fund so your taxpayer money cannot be used to bailout private insurance companies. i am proud to have led the effort after far too long a wait segregatedon for a unit of our armed forces who bravely served our country and waited far too long for the recognition they deserve by receiving the congressional medal of honor. i am proud of the work we have done on behalf of the people of our great state. of the way wed supported our constituents and help so many people come to our offices. over 40,000 people have come to our offices and we have helped with their cases, including 5000 veterans. that is why i am asking the people of florida to return me to the united states senate, so i can continue this work on your behalf, and we can have a senate that returned with proper role.

it begins with day one. vacancy, supreme court and that justice must be someone who will apply the constitution as originally intended, not anyway they wanted to mean. because of the constitution means whatever you want to mean, it means nothing at all. [laughter] -- [applause] the democrats and their hand-picked candidates will be our opponents. like any candidates for the senate, patrick murphy from west palm beach will have to justify to people why his candidacy is the right one for you to vote for. in thetried to do that past by talking about how successful he has been in the private sector. the problem is, it is not true. he likes to say he has dual degrees from the university of miami, but the university says

it is not true. workeds found he is not a single day in his life as a cpa in florida. he also likes to say he started a small business. he started no business, and never got a single contract to clean up the gulf. so he will not be able to run on as aromise of his success private individual. he will have to account for his four years in congress, where he was ranked as one of the most ineffective members of congress. that is a hard thing to achieve in a congress that has been as ineffective as ours over the last few years. [applause] mr. rubio: he will have to answer for his liberal record. he likes to call himself a iserate, but patrick murphy an enthusiastic supporter of the nuclear deal with iran. supporter still a after they got $400 million in

ransom, and three more american hostages, even after iran captured sailors and try to humiliate them, he still supported the deal. he said it would bring us peace. said that was a prime minister in the 1930's, and he regretted his whole life. patrick murphy wants to close guantanamo and release terrorists and bring them to america. theick murphy supports import-export bank, sponsored by your taxpayer money, where the loans go to politically connected companies, and when given an opportunity to vote for last alone, to -- he voted with obama 94% of the time. he is an old-fashioned liberal, and his ideas are wrong for florida, dangerous, and they will leave as wonderful as a people and a nation.

you may ask yourself, how can patrick murphy, who has done nothing in his private life to be successful and nothing in his four years as congress, how can someone with that record the elected to u.s. senate? the answer is, he has a sense of entitlement. because when everything you have ever had in your life has been given to you, you think you deserve it all. ofnderstand in many parts the world, people come from families that are politically connected and influential and dominate government. but not here in america. nothing otherd to than the liberties our god is given us. if patrick murphy wants to be a u.s. senator, it does not matter connected, if he wants to be senator, he has to earn it, and beat the son of a maid.der and a made -- [applause] so i look forward to

this campaign because the best ones are the ones that give you a clear choice, and this will be a clear choice between someone who has achieved things on behalf of our state, and plans to achieve things in the future. and someone who thinks he is entitled to the job because everything he has ever wanted is been given to him. that is not how it will work for the u.s. senate, not this important stake him not at this important time in our history. this is no ordinary time. america finds itself at the proverbial crossroads. we have been here before. for over two sentries, each generation has stood where we stood now fit -- stood now. choice is, what type of country do we want america to be? willtype of country america be when our children are our age?

freewill either be the ascent most prosperous americans that have ever lived, or they will be the first americans that --erit a country worst off worse off then their parents. that is the road we are on right now, and that is the road patrick murphy will lead us on. but i believe in a different path if we do what needs to be done. military,ild our which he supports cutting and i support rebuilding. and free enterprise, which he does not believe in, but i believe is essential to our prosperity. the things that made america special an open doors of opportunity for all americans, no matter what your parents did for a living, if we did all those things that i believe our children and will be the most

prosperous americans. that is the road i ask you to choose. [applause] that is what i have always been about. that is why i won't continue to do. you asnored to serve your senator. i look forward to the opportunity. this is a time of great challenges and extraordinary opportunities. it is an exciting time to be in public discourse in america. i believe our opportunities are even greater than the problems that we face. to do that, we have to have the right people in those positions, who have done these things, on the right side of the issues, and can show how they get those things done. i have, and patrick murphy has not. opportunity,citing and i hope we embrace it. so we can have a senate that embraces its role in the constitution.

the only person in this race who will not be a rubber stamp, the executive branch and this election, is me. and that is what we need in the senate, more than ever before. [applause] i am privileged and honored to stand before you today. as i was walking into this gathering, i walked through the kitchen of the hotel in the back room and ran into some of the folks breaking down a pretty good party that happened earlier in another room. it reminded me of where i came from. and i will always say it, because i thinks it speaks to not just me, but our country. it was rims like this were my father worked for decades, a bartender behind a little rollaway bar. we did not have one because we were trying to save money. that is what he did for a

living. he stood behind a bar like that all those years so i would have the chance to be anything i wanted. life wasents wanted in for their kids to have all the opportunities they never did. and i know, that have they got anywhere else in the world, they could not have achieved that. they came here with nothing, barely spoke english, had no money, connections, education. yet somehow they were able to own a home and retire with dignity and leave all four of their children better off than themselves. this is who we are as a nation and the people. remain.how i want us to but we did not become that by accident. we became that because the men and women who stood before us did what needed to be done, and a time has come for us to do what needs to be done. for ourbe able to leave children what our parents left us, the single greatest nation in the history of mankind.

indulgence for a moment, i will try to be brief, but in spanish. i speak a lot faster in spanish. i know a lot of people get their news in spanish, especially here in florida. [speaking [speaking spanish]

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>> marco rubio continuing his speech in spanish. we will not take you to south florida. tim canova who lost do debbie wasserman schultz live on c-span. >> whether he pulled out some kind of upset year -- here or election begins

for the democratic and republican district, i will get to sleep tomorrow. [applause] obviously if we don't pull it out, i will get some sleep tomorrow. it's been a long road. january 7 is when i jumped in. i had $15,000 of my own money i put into this false we kept praying and we had a lot of faith in ourselves and the grassroots. i kept saying the grassroots will be there for us, help will be there along the way and there were a light of tough times during this past eight months. i remember waking up to find out the president had endorsed my opponent. [booing] os for theking for bo president, i'm just saying it's not everyday you wake up and realize the president is against you. [laughter] i remember saying this would be

a good day and it was, our best fundraising day of the campaign at that point. [applause] our best fundraising day because the grassroots all over this country was upset about it because they saw what was at stake, a contest between a career politician who swims in corporate money and the grassroots. this campaign has always been of the people, by the people, for the people. [applause] somebody said to me today that barack obama lost his first house a seat and won the senate seat two years later. [applause] i am an educator. i have been teaching for over 20 years now. in my office, i got several posters framed. one of the posters his of sir michael.

sir michael jordan, the basketball player. i started shaving my head when i realized i wanted to be like mike. says in this poster, michael jordan says he has missed 20,000 shots, lost 10,000 games. i don't remember the exact statistics. in a secondall left. each time i failed, i failed. that is why i succeed. our as a lots on of times. everyone gets knocked on their but. the test of character is getting back up on your feet and this movement has been knocked on its feet -- off its feet time and time again. i still maintain we are fighting for them -- american democracy.

>> it is rigged. we had a primary day in august. i heard they chose august 30 because it's the day most likely to have a hurricane. they don't want to have debates, discussions. if we had the election to our , let's see what happens the rest of this evening . my guess is it will get a lose,r race and we do look how far we came out of nowhere. [applause]

i have got a lot of folks to think for this. i first and foremost think my family. when i told them in december i was thinking of running against the head of the dn -- dnc, i thought they told me i needed to relax in sitdown. every single one said you should do it. you have repaired your whole life. [applause] i think my mother and father, where are you? please raise your hand. [applause] brothers. i see ted here. where is tom? i think tom is still counting votes. [laughter] ted.e tom and my cousins are here. my childhood friend richie. where is richie?

he stepped up and opened four field offices. consultants like laura and elizabeth. [applause] lived here for ages and wanted to challenge the establishment and believed in me and us. i've got to get a huge shutout to all these folks. the greatest field operation for any house race in the united states america. the greatest field operation. a college graduate and went overseas and backpacked around for a few months. i came back still not sure what i was going to do with my life. and i october of 1982

went to see who was running for local race.my i volunteered for this guy and we walked door-to-door. it was a heavily republican district. i remember that election night, there were a lot fewer people in we have now. a lot more drunk people there. [laughter] i might have been one of them. that night, i decided i would move to washington, d.c. and get a job on capitol hill and it took a few months and i landed a job. there are so many people who stepped up over the last few months on this campaign and at some point, scattering to the wind, i suppose. but you don't know where to take it, how this campaign has affected everyone in this room. i just want to say i love you

all. [applause] the fight goes on and the fight replay -- reclaim democracy in this country, to reclaim it from a corporate oligarchy that has fought our politicians who are no longer accountable to the people in that is why you see a growing inequality in the distribution of wealth and income. this is why you see such high you see ahidden said lot of hopelessness, a lot of stunted dreams, college graduates graduating deeply in that cannot find jobs and living with their parents until their 30's. these are some of the issues we

talked about time and time again. it goes beyond inequality of income, beyond persistent poverty. as we have talked about, it goes to the quality of our drinking water, the kind of threat to our very existence here. this campaign was about progress for all comic progression of tradition. it has been dormant for too many and god bless you all, we are all going to go on fighting after tonight. thank you. thank you all for being here. election what the results bring. no matter what it brings, fight on. [applause] ♪

>> a professor at southern law school in the fort lauderdale area and lose debbie wasserman schultz. and ourme our listeners phone lines are open. , our tonight in arizona line for republicans. set aside forine florida voters as well. andill get to your calls comments in just a moment.

debbie wasserman schultz winning over tim canova. >> how has his politics, how did that fit or not fit into this congressional district? >> hillary clinton one very easily over bernie sanders in florida's presidential primary in march. it was kind of in the wrong place for some of his progressive ideas. it's a liberal leaning district but it is not the kind of bernie .anders groundswell there are a lot of retirees. his seems like it would be a long shot for him their false