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hoi's aying in ts pridti election and also inomof the other racesoing on arod e country and now we are going to tn r teion toigher educion. ' g areat panelf eakerso okt this issue whh has en ptthot topic duri the pmaries rtainland is still playi a ro now awe get onl69ay omleioday. soeading our panel we are ve luy he an e member michaevauejoinus ke is -- hles e proeducaoneaat politico and came to licoectly te14 years athmii her ra. e st sixe ved educatn d yearong investigation of fri f prit colleges calledigr

hustleon multiple awards and thatncdethe second annual eddy prize, izat ewaemar d cognize its stork on challenges thaloinme sten fe gettg and rough ollege. soike, iill turn it over t you. >> thank you very much ishis working? t me sure i have e crhone csenough. so i ha tsaafter covering high educationorixea ansotimes seeing t vy poanpressing issues fall roh e acks in terms of what policnsarabout, it is vindicaono tcthis pridential cpan. 's a alvictor evytnglsgoing in the campaign sorofakes mwant crawl under rocksut small viorsengow stunt debt has be evad to ala where i initrobl seesn terms ofubc atteio carells a reporter i the atoflorida that you had so my arwh states

ro the cnt when theyit ressn the kneeerk reaction was to ke tuionnd in theta oflidthey and e les where u d totic 15tuition increas ye or arnd had coertis th colleagues, 2009 a 20 sicallsaying this c'contin. e way the public i t way ters a, you can only steon op f slong and then re we are today and you have this trendous human cry over the cost of tuition over the, you know, growing student debt issue and the growing debt number and so i'm glad that we are here to kind of dive into sort of separate fact from fiction and maybe hopefully get folks some ideas of how to cover this race smart and aggressively. let's get to the panel. we have an all-star cast. we will start with courtney hagen, senior lobbyist at progressive change committee, she works with the legislative -- tongue tied. legislative affairs team to engage members of congress and their staff, before that she pent a decade working in politics in washington including

as several top lobbying firms and moving right along is jason, a resident fellow at the american enterprise institute where he works on higher education financing with an emphasis on student loan programs and previously he was at new america as the former director of the federal education budget project and resume goes on. senior analyst on the republican staff of the us senate budget commit you where he put a key role in developing education. last but not least matt owens, administration at the association of american universities which for those who don't know a collection the nation's elite public and private universities and he's responsible for oversight of the association, federal relation activities, office operations, finance,e was previously at stanford uversity. so happy to have you guys. let's kick it off. since i mentioned the push for debt-free college, i kind wanted to tap courtney first. how we got here, got to a place where tuition-free college

begin unifying moment within the democratic party? >>ure, thanks. i'm courtney, and i've been working on debt-free colge i think at debt-free college has been a central theme in the presidential election and in down ballot races. we are excited to see where it is at this pnt. it's been incorporated into the democratic party platform. we have ndidates running on it up and down the board and hillary clinton ruled out her new college impact calling for debt-free college and that is one of if not the biggest proposal to date. i want to take a step back and talk about how we got here. in 2014 democrats had losses at the polls as we know and our team sat and talked amongst each other and saying how did this happen, why didn't people turn out to vote, why did democrats lose and that was the launch of what we called a big idea's

project where we asked the public to submit ideas that they would like to see candidates campaigning on and then we asked the public to vote on those ideas. over 2600 ideas were submitted and over one million votes were cast on those ideas, we took the top to 50 ideas and did two polls across the country. the first was for 2016 likely voters across democrats, republicans and independents. the second was for 2014 democratic dropoff voters. voters who were expected to vote in 2014 didn't turn out asking them if candidate had campaigned on these issues how much more likely would you have been to turn out to vo. de-free lle s pur in 20 vers decrs and so inpenden. 56of replinsnd1% of

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