if trump's plan passes, he will lose 2 million jobs. what do you have to lose? 14 million jobs. we don't want to lose them. what do you have to lose? 2/3 of all the new jobs come from small businesses. i support this bill the president signed, the dodd frank main streeteeps from wrecking wall street, but there has been too much restraint on small business lending. every year that i have had the honor to serve and we were growing together in unemployment was going down. incomes from people increased more percentagewise the further you went down the income train. every year, we were the top five country in the world with new and small businesses. we are not in the top 10. i will over semper fi, but if you were running a bank, and

it cost you as much to open a n organic bakery down the street as it does to process a $51 million loan, you would not make as many lines. hillary has explained this. here's how i will signify the rules. here is how i will cut taxes. if young people who owe college debt and can't qualify for loans can get the loan, we will suspend other debt repayment for the first three years they are running their business. [applause] you get the idea. i mean, she's the only person that has told you what she's going to do. everybody else -- and there are lots of independent actors, not just the candidates in this campaign -- nobody else seems to want this election to be about you. you hear the debates? why are they talking about that? this is about you. can we get more jobs and businesses? can we raise income and do it together? do you believe we should do it

by being strong or together or by building walls? >> stronger together. mr. clinton: can we make america safer and stronger? >> yes! mr. clinton: there was an interesting article in one of the newspapers analyzing the military leaders who had endorsed her and the ones who had endorsed her opponent. they said she has more senior military leaders. on average, they are younger and more closely in touch with the security challenges we face. one of them, a greek-american, a former commander of nato, said he appreciated the fact that mr. trump wanted to spend more money on the military but said we don't need that much more. we just have one or two things be better at. he said the military is not a disaster. it is a treasure. we should honor it. we should honor the parents of

fallen soldiers, no matter what their religion is. he said -- [applause] he said i wore the uniform in this country for 35 years, and i can tell you we will not kill our way out of it. we have to work our way, argue our way, and win our way out of this because of our belief that we are stronger together. which means that it is absolutely crazy to go around terrifying and alienating american muslims who love freedom, hate terror, work themselves to the bone, raise their kids with good values, and are trying to build better lives here. we need everybody to work together to help us beat these problems. [cheers] that is it. this is a really simple choice. when you read the paper, it is just about who can say the worst thing about whoever. isn't it? it is not just the candidates. like i said. surely there is something i can

think bad to say about you today. we are celebrating the life of a man who died at 43. his funeral is going on. this was brought to me by somebody who went there first and came here. i have now lived 27 years longer than this man. but he gave 43 good years. here's what i want you to think about tomorrow, don't you want to live in this neighborhood, where no young african-american male is afraid to walk the streets and walk out? [cheers] let me finish. and don't you want to live in a neighborhood where when you see

a police man or woman in uniform, you are glad to see them because they are helping your kids. [cheers] you want book. both. tonight, when you watch the news, think about this man's life. playing football at pitt. he probably thought he would live to be 90. he not know the day or the hour, but he made a huge difference. and he didn't make it by ignoring the real-life flesh and blood challenges of the people in his church and the people in his community. we have to get real about this election. this is about you and your children and future. the only two things that can keep us from having the best 30 years to 40 years this country

has had maybe ever in terms of economic and social progress, massive discovery, everyone in this audience under 30 years old has a legitimate chance to live to be 100 without the threat of alzheimer's or dementia. i think we are on the verge of this. we have to pick a good leader. derailed byot be political gridlock in washington or economic and social turmoil around the world. she ought to be president. if you watched that commander-in-chief program on cnn, she should be president because she's the only one standing with understanding to keep us safe and get us out of the mess we are in. i ask you, go out and talk to your friends and neighbors about this. people say, "everything i read is bad. i think i will stay home. it does not make any

difference." oh, yes, it does. it makes a difference. it makes 40 million jobs worth of difference. it makes minimum wage, equal pay , and family leave difference. it makes being able to pay off that college loan without bankrupting yourself and being able to move out of your parents ' house. it makes all the difference. don't substitute anger for answers. don't substitute resentment for responsibility. remember -- empowerment comes from being stronger together. we can do it. you can do it. but hillary to do it has to win pennsylvania, and that is you. thank you and god bless you. [cheers] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> four campaign 2016, season continues on the road to the white house.

clinton: we are point to get things done, big things, that is who we are as america. have one: we will great american future. our potential is unlimited. >> ahead, live coverage of the andidential and life -- vice presidential debates on the c-span radio app and c-span.org. monday, september 26, is the first presidential debate. but on tuesday, october 4, vice president candidate governor mike pence and senator tim kaine inate at longwood university farmville, virginia on sunday, october nine, washington university in st. louis host the second presidential debate, leading up to the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump, taking place at the inverse he of the that las vegas october 19. live coverage of the presidential and vice presidential debates on c-span. listen live on the free c-span radio app or watch live or anytime on demand at c-span.org.

>> tomorrow marks the 15th anniversary of the september 11, 2011 -- 2000 and one terror attacks p are we take you to the ceremony at the national memorial. this is that the panic button -- the pentagon where president remarks, andve inching spill, pennsylvania for the 9/11 observance at the flight 93 national memorial. join a sunday morning, live coverage of the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks here on c-span, also on the c-span radio app and c-span.org. migration policy institute hosts its annual immigration and policy conference, legal analysis on some of the key integration issues that will face the incoming administration and congress are watch that a 9:30 our. eastern on companion network, c-span2. hillaryooking into the

clinton's use of the prime it e-mail server. you can see that live at 5:00 p.m. eastern, that will be on span three. there is news from "the atlantic. " the standing rock sioux pride and hundreds of protesters who a hugeined them won provisional victory in the quest to stop the dakota access pipeline, as the u.s. government announced late on friday that it was voluntarily halting work on the project. the triumph was even sweeter because it follows so closely after a seemingly immense defeat , mere minutes after a federal judge declined the tribe's touest for an injunction stop construction on the pipeline. the obama administration made a surprise announcement that they would not permit the project to continue for now. construction of the pipeline on army corps land ordering or under the lake will not go

forward at this time, said a joint statement from the department of justice, the department of the interior, and the u.s. army. again, that is from "the atlantic." author and national security chollet on his book, "the long game." he focused on president obama during his two terms in august and argued that the president will be remembered as one of the most to death on foreign policy to this is just over one hour.

i will start by kicking off the comer station for the first half hour, and then we will open up the conversation from you. mic over here this time. so when it comes time for q&a, if you can line up at the mic to ask your question, that would be great. and it's always great for the first -- the first student has to be the bravest student to get up at the mic. so just steel yourself and be brave. because otherwise we won't have anybody standing at the mic. and it's a great pleasure to welcome derek here. derek is currently at the german marshall fund in the united states and served in a number of capacities in the obama administration, most recently as assistant secretary of defense

for international security affairs. prior to that, he was special assistant to the president and senior director for strategic planning at the white house. and before that was deputy director of the policy planning staff at the state department. so a lot to talk about. welcome. derek: thanks. it's great to be here. jim: we're thrilled to have you. so i wanted to start by breaking down the title here. so we'll start with the title. and then we'll work our way to the subtitle. and that is the "long game," what you mean by the "long game," and how to think about the long game as something other than just, you know, wait for 10 or 20 years, and you'll see how brilliant this was. and, you know, how it is not an effort to deflect from any challenges from the present. derek: well, great opening question. and thanks, all of you, for being here.

and i really want to thank my friend jim goldgeier, who has been my friend for over a quarter century. we've written many books together and had many adventures together. so it's really a thrill to have this conversation with you. i'm glad we're starting with the title "the long game" because the title has a double meaning. first, i contend in this book that president obama, in the execution of his foreign policy, has tried to play a long game. and what i mean by that, not just that he's thinking, "well, you know, just wait and everything will work out fine and just ignore the issues of the moment." but to try, what academics call, to have a grand strategy and set the united states on a course that over time can succeed. what try to do is tell the story of how president obama became president and the situation the united states was in eight years ago when by almost every measure we were losing the long game in terms of our role in the world and our ability to project power

and influence in the world, as well as the situation here at home. and one of the central struggles of obama's presidency, which we'll get to when you ask about the subtitle, is the resistance, the debate here in washington has to playing a long game. and so often, as you've seen in the last few days as president obama has been in asia where he is trying to implement part of what he sees as a major strategic move to the asia-pacific, that is going to play out over time. but yet in the course of doing that, has been buffeted by news of the day, whether it's syria or whether or not the chinese have given him the right welcome when he arrived. this gets to the second part of the book, which is the title, "the long game," which is, i contend, in history's long game, president obama's foreign policy will be remembered as one that is quite consequential for the better. and it is often hard to see that now where there is so much

turmoil in the world, there is so much uncertainty. but i do believe, and i contend in this book, that president obama has put the united states in a position to preserve its power, project its power into the future. so in that sense, the book is not just a defense of the obama foreign policy. of course, i served in this administration for six-plus years. so it's not just my effort to justify what has happened, but it's also an attempt to explain his foreign policy. and in many ways i try to go to the pain in this book. i talk about the toughest issues that this president has faced in office, whether it be libya or syria or egypt or iran or israel or ukraine and russia, and to tell the story of how he tried to approach those problems while also still trying to play a long game in terms of what he was doing with american strategy in the world and the difficult trade-offs that he had to make as president.

those of us who were responsible for helping formulate and implement that policy had to deal with as well in trying to struggle through these very challenging issues in which the united states has a lot of influence and the ability to shape outcomes, but many of the issues that we have struggled with for the past seven and a half years and we're going to struggle with moving forward are the outcomes we can't control on our own. and that's something else we've had to grapple with. okay. let's move to the subtitle then. jim: so when we say how obama defied washington and redefined america's role in the world, talk to us a little bit about what you mean by washington. are we talking about members of congress on capitol hill? are we talking about the think tank elites? are we talking about journalists?

and in terms of "redefining america's role in the world," as you know, there has been a lot of criticism of the president for not talking enough about american exceptionalism. and when we got bogged down in that debate at various points, and now that debate has reemerged as hillary clinton has been trying to emphasize american exceptionalism. and there are people who are saying, "ah, look, she is emphasizing it because president obama didn't." so break this down for us. derek: sure. so first on the defying washington. one of the central themes of obama's presidency, and in fact if you go back to when he started to run for president in 2007, one of the central themes of his candidacy was to try to buck the conventional wisdom of washington. one of the most important moments in his political rise was his speech in 2002 against the war in iraq. and that was something that, of course, in 2004 when he ran for senate, but then as a candidate for president in 2007 and 2008 was a distinguishing feature of hica