plenty more to do in that realm. chair long: what will you do on after you leave this office? director clapper: sleep. chair long: i think mrs. clapper might have some other ideas. clapper: a few days at the gym, plan to lose about 15 pounds, and sleep. that's all i have in mind right now. director clapper: thank you very much for your service. i will tell you almost every question here actually had that at the bottom, after the question, "thank you for your service." we are so fortunate to have you leading our community, for you to have agreed to stay on through this entire administration, and we look forward to your advice, to your

successor, and we look forward to inviting you back in any capacity, said thank you very much. -- so thank you very much. and if you could get up for a picture. [applause] chair long: good job. intentional" live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up sunday morning, opening the phone lines and s, and your calls, text tweets reflecting on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

c-span's "edgington journal -- ,"span's "washington journal joined the discussion. >> c-span, created by america's television companies and brought to you as a service by your cable or >> next, homeland security jeh johnson and the parents of an army captain killed in iraq speak at the islamic society convention. then, the latest on the 2016 presidential campaign. after that, supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg on the impact of the death of justice antonin scalia. the pakistani american parents of a army captain who spoke at the democratic national convention this summer were among the speakers at the islamic society of north america convention. --o speaking, homeland sec homeland security secretary jeh johnson, the first sitting

secretary to address the convention. this is about 45 minutes. >> gratings of peace, brothers and sisters, friends, ladies and gentlemen, it is my distinct honor to introduce secretary jeh johnson. he is the secretary of the department of homeland security. as such, he leads the third-largest department of the u.s. government with a workforce of 229,000 employees and two companies, including tsa, border protection, immigration, and customs enforcement. guard, and the secret service. undersecretary johnson's leadership, dhs is responsible for counterterrorism, cyber

security, aviation security, border security, security, maritime security, administration and enforcement of our immigration laws, protection of our national leaders, protection of physical --rastructure, section of protection from biological, chemical and nuclear attacks on homeland. appointedjohnson was by president obama on december 23, 2000 and, following --firmation by the u.s. and 2000 13, following confirmation by the u.s. senate. but as and sisters, this is the a -- aime a secretary sitting secretary is here to

address our convention. join me in welcoming secretary jeh johnson with a loud round of applause. [applause] sec. johnson: ladies and gentlemen, good evening. you just heard a message from the president of the united states, president barack obama. for invitingnk you me to be here today. as barack obama's presidency and our administration draw to a close, i am proud to have been part of it. i have been on an incredible journey with barack obama, not just since he became president in 2009, but over the last 10

years -- as part of his campaign, his transition team, his administration, and, now, his cabinet. history will record not only the transformational changes president obama brought about, but also that in 2008, he was elected president with 69 million votes -- the largest popular vote for any one person in the history of this country, based on a campaign of hope and inspiration. with that came a new generation of voters, and an unprecedented period of inclusiveness and diversity in our political process. as part of that, it's a great privilege for me to be present in person here today, to speak to this full convention of the islamic society of north america.

i'm told i am the highest ranking u.s. government official and the first sitting cabinet officer to ever speak in person before this convention. [applause] sec. johnson: i welcome that, as you have welcomed me. i am proud to have broken that glass ceiling, and to have created the expectation, in the future, that government officials of my rank will attend your annual convention. president obama has made it a priority for his administration to build bridges to american muslim communities. in 33 months as your secretary of homeland security, i have personally visited american muslim communities in boston, new york, philadelphia, rural pennsylvania, maryland,

virginia, detroit, dearborn, chicago, columbus, houston, minneapolis, and los angeles. i have come to know many of you, and i hope you know me. you have heard president obama and me call out the discrimination and vilification you face in this current climate. you have heard us say that the self-proclaimed islamic state is neither islam nor a state. [applause] you have heard us say that it is a group of terrorists attempting to highjack your religion. you have heard us, before multiple audiences of different political stripes, refuse to bend to the political pressure to call terrorism "islamic"

extremism. we know that isil, though it claims the banner of islam, occupies no part of your religion a religion founded on peace. after i am gone as secretary, i hope you will always regard us as your department of homeland security, aligned in interest with you for peace, the safety of your family, and the protection of your homeland. i hope you will always regard our new office for community partnerships as your partner. tonight, in this last and biggest opportunity i will have as your secretary of homeland security to address an audience this large, all at once, i want

to take our conversation to a security to address an audience. a leader of this organization reminded me that we spend a lot of time telling young muslims in this country what you should not become. a more effective message is to tell you what, in this great country, you can become. [applause] sec. johnson: we must not simply curse the darkness, but offer a candle. tonight i will not look at the large group of muslims before me through a homeland security lens. tonight i will not talk to you about counterterrorism. tonight i will simply address you as who you are, "my fellow americans." [applause] tonight i speak especially to the young people in this audience, and to your

parents worried about your future. many of the young people in this room worry that, because of the current climate, your religion, your skin color, and your attire, because of that, you will never win full acceptance in this country. i come before you tonight to assure you this is not true. your struggle for full acceptance in this country is one you will win. how do i know this? because my african american ancestors and i have traveled a similar road. i hear your stories of discrimination, vilification, and of the efforts to tar you with the broad brush of suspicion. i hear about the bullying and physical attacks that muslims -- are experiencing nationwide.

they are familiar to me. i recognize them. i look out on this room of american muslims and i see myself. i see a similar struggle that my african american ancestors have fought to win acceptance in this country. [applause] realize it or not, your story is the quintessential american story. your story is an american story, told over and over again, generation after generation, of waves of people who struggle for, seek, and will eventually win your share of the american dream. know the history of this country and you will know that -- whether it's catholic-americans, jewish-americans, mormon-americans, irish-americans,

italian-americans, japanese-americans, african-americans, hispanic-americans, or muslim-americans -- this will be true. [applause] sec. johnson: the arc of the american story is long, it is bumpy and uncertain, but it always bends toward a more perfect union. some of you are frustrated that you have been publicly denouncing violent extremism for years, sometimes at your own peril, and have not been recognized for it. some of you are discouraged that you must continually point to the patriotism of american muslims, by pointing to your military service, and to those american muslims who have died in combat for our country. i have another story for you. it is about a black man named

charles s. johnson, who lived in the segregated south years ago. dr. johnson was born in virginia in 1893, the son of an emancipated slave. dr. johnson fought in combat in world war i, became a prominent sociologist and president of fisk university in nashville, tennessee, and a public champion for civil rights for the african american. despite his academic degrees, his honorary degrees, his reputation, and his many achievements, in 1949 dr. johnson was called to testify in congress before the house un-american activities committee. historians in the room know about the un-american activities committee. part of its mission was to ferret out communists in this country in the late 1940s and 1950s, during the red scare,

mccarthyism, and a great fear that communists were hiding among us. some of that suspicion was focused on african americans who dared publicly challenge the government to deliver equal protection of the laws for all people. dr. johnson appeared before this committee and had to deny he was a member of the communist party, and to defend the patriotism of all african americans. of this, he testified -- "it's like asking if tennesseans, or presbyterians, or foreign-born citizens, or american women, or persons with freckles, are loyal." as the prime example of the african american's patriotism, he noted that "in time of war they have pleaded for combat service, for the supreme hazards of military service.

they have offered and risked their lives freely for their country even while bitterly resenting, at times, the conditions under which they were permitted to die in honor." charles johnson died 60 years ago, in 1956, just as the civil rights movement he championed was about to take flight. at the time, jim crow still existed in the south. charles johnson knew nothing else in the south. but, one month before he died, dr. johnson wrote this about the segregated south, in which, at the time, we were not allowed to vote, or live with, travel with, eat with or marry anyone of the white race: "it is expected that negro southerners, as a result of our limited status in the racial system, would be bitter or hostile. bitterness grows out of hopelessness, and there is no hopelessness in the situation.

faith in the ultimate strength of the democratic philosophy and code of the nation has always been stronger than the impulse to despair." i believe this too, because charles s. johnson was my grandfather. [applause] sec. johnson: he died a second class citizen, in fact and in law. but he had faith in this country. perhaps he imagined the unimaginable in 1956 -- that his own grandson would one day become the person in charge of the homeland security for this entire nation, or, even more incredible, that i would serve in the cabinet of a black president. [applause]

sec. johnson: this is something, as recently as 10 years ago, that i never thought i would see in my lifetime. the house un-american activities committee was abolished many years ago. i'm told it used to hold its hearings in room 311 of the cannon house office building on capitol hill in washington. this is the same room in which the house homeland security committee holds its hearings today. therefore, sixty-seven years ago, my grandfather likely testified in that hearing room to defend his patriotism. now his grandson testifies in that same room to explain what the u.s. government is doing to defend our nation. this is the promise and the wonder of this country. follow the example of many people in this room, the leaders

of this organization, and become full participants in our great democratic society. continue to prod us toward a more perfect union. aspire, excel, contribute, engage, and vote. channel your energy in a way such that muslim-americans too become recognized as a full part of the fabric of this diverse society, like others have done before you. this is your moment of opportunity. for role models and inspiration, you can look to muslims who are already shining examples of great americans. [applause] sec. johnson: muhammed ali was not just a hero, he is a great american. dalilah muhammad, who last month brought home from the olympics

the gold medal for the 400-meter hurdles, is a great american. [applause] sec. johnson: captain humayun khan, who put on the uniform and gave his life for our country in iraq, is an american hero. [applause] sec. johnson: gold star father, -- his gold star mother and his gold star father, who carries a copy of the u.s. constitution in his pocket, are american heroes. [applause] sec. johnson: like those who came before you, do not lose hope. do not despair. have faith in the code of this nation. we will continue on the path toward that more perfect union. if you know american history, take comfort in learning from it. yes, it is frustrating to listen to those who foment fear,

suspicion and intolerance, who don't know the mistakes of history, and are in the midst of repeating them. have faith that the character of the american people as a whole is such that, in the end, we will choose not to drink this brand of soiled milk. ladies and gentlemen, fellow americans, public officials in this country are often reluctant to ask the public we serve for your help. on behalf of myself and the president, i ask for your help. hear this message and share it with others in your communities. light a candle. show others the promise and wonder of this country. thank you for listening. [applause]

>> we have our brothers and sisters in the military and department of defense to help me introduce our next speakers. we live in interesting times. this presidential election has redefined social norms in america. things that were only said behind closed doors one year ago are now said out in the open on , without any source of embarrassment or any sense of remorse. the islamophobia has taken an uptick dramatically in the last 12 months. like empower and others have been fighting back

against this islamic other -- islamophobia. would have known that the ongoing -- undoing of the islam of folk, the undoing of all this hateful rhetoric, would come from a beautiful, humble, speakingmodest couple at the democratic national convention. ladies and gentlemen, my next are the khans. she graduated from university in pakistan and has a degree in literature. they are the parents of three children, including captain who khan.on -- humayun please join me in welcoming our next speakers. [applause]

>> thank you very much. i feel very close to you, because you have shown me lots of love and respect. may allah bless us all. may allah give you a power to against yourself, bring all of the goodness of your heart out and give to others. look at me, i'm a big example for that. thank you very much love you all.

thank you. [applause] >> today, i want to ask the favors.- three through you, i want to reach one 16 --billion muslims -- 1.6 billion muslims. you allah is witness, i ask is it because the majority of muslims have been silenced against the threat of terrorism on islam? i ask you today to stand up in the name of your creator to

claim that smear of violence from the name islam, and through -- i ask 16 billion muslims lion muslims to say no more. it ended today. aunt -- by a law as witness, it is ended today. name ofr from the islam, this smear from violence is ended today. billion reject the violence. we will be standing tall in front of our allah, and say wheat the lead, we were silenced, but no more. [applause] my second request is we live in the democracy of the united , and the first visible of

living in a democracy is participation -- symbol of living in a democracy is participation. you get back, be part of the process of democracy so that your voice will be heard. this generation, all of us, our banner bearers of this message , this universal message of islam which is peace. please do justice to your status, to your position in this generation, and participate regardless of issues, but vote, lete, register, your voice be heard so that tomorrow, our future generations, our children do not have to hear this ugly political

rhetoric that we have heard. it is ended today. [applause] we are brothers, protectors, and all faith, and especially to our immigrants, newly arriving brothers and sisters. why the government has to take care of them, why we cannot make this our mission that each family that comes into this country, each muslim family, each refugee family, will be accepted by the community, by i cite the, and example of the little town that we live. any immigrant muslim family that comes, we adopt them as our families. we go to school with their children to register them.

we are their caretakers. we go to grocery stores with services.o to medical i of appeal to all people in attendance, all muslims in attendance and through you to all community in the united newes, that adopt a immigrant family. theirre mentor, be caretaker, and be their brother and sister in time of need. may allah bless you. [applause] >> brothers and sisters, as you theknow, we are celebrating 53 years of islamic work in north america through nsa and through isna.

these last five decades, every single day we strived to get the message across to tell our fellow americans what we are doing. in seven minutes, what we work ,- were able to do in 50 years they were able to get that message across in seven minutes. these amazing individuals have been a blessing to the american muslim community. for sevenstood minutes in silence, she became the voice of millions of americans, and she gave a voice to millions of americans. she showed the entire world what for.nified woman stands

this evening, i want to say that this beautiful couple has americans,llions of and this extraordinary couple inspired ordinary individuals like myself to carry the constitution of this great country. [applause] recognizing this community of muslims and peaceful of other paint -- other faith under this roof, together we are recognizing the khans. islamic society of north america, in recognition of their strategic and most kindly contributions towards the improvement of the image of islam and muslims in america, this award is presented to the khans, outstanding investors of

islam. september 3, 2016, chicago, award toi present this this amazing couple. loud join me with a very pause. [applause] -- often laws. -- please join me with a loud round of applause. [applause] >> i am joined over here from the members of the u.s. armed forces and people from the department of defense. these honorable men and women defend our democracy, our nation

, so please join me in giving a round of applause to these wonderful brothers and sisters from the muslim community. [applause] thank you so much. may god bless you, and may god bless your families. thank you for serving our great nation. thank you. [applause]

[applause] >> amazing. a strong woman can say more with her silence than others can say with their words. our next speaker is the isna then. he has been with us for well over a decade. he served as vice president, he served on executive council before that. he is currently based in dallas. he is the senior national director of the largest muslim charity in the united states. he is also active locally in dallas, where he serves in various capacities in islamic organizations. ladies and gentlemen, the president of isna.

[applause] [speaking in foreign language] >> my brothers and sisters, my dear friends, my dear children, on behalf of islamic society of , i want to express my deepest thanks and gratitude to each one of you. i am immensely grateful to our creator for giving me this opportunity to serve this very important and very amazing islamic organization, the

islamic society of north america. i am grateful to all my , i am indebted to the staff of the islamic society of north america for their dedication, for their hard work for their commitment to islamic work in north america. it is providing a common platform for presenting islam, for presenting muslim communities, for educational and social at which, and fostering good relations with other religious communities and civic and service organizations. days, weis last two were blessed to have so many guests came and shared their thoughts and shared their wisdom with all of us. we were very blessed to have

senator dick durbin, one of the senior most senators representing this great state of illinois. he was our keynote speaker at the inaugural session. we were blessed to have the eveningop to speak last with the leadership of islamic society of north america. we were very honored to welcome our very own from the white , rishaad hussein from the .epartment of justice we are very honored to have today reverend jesse jackson among us. [applause] we are very honored to have the khans. so many members representing the

different branches of administration of law enforcement and people serving our nation. we were very honored to have the secretary of the department of homeland security, mr. jeh johnson, and other members of their administration. my brothers and sisters, this year's election campaign has been one of the more arising campaigns we have seen in recent times. it is very sad, and it is very unfortunate, that in this great nation of ours, people who are aspiring to the highest office , reckless insensitive comments, not only against muslims, but against minorities, against hard-working individuals , people who strive to do good every single day.

comments can be very disheartening, very disappointing, and they might be very painful. i appeal to each one of you that you counter this irresponsible, it insensitive, reckless statements by dedicate yourself to democracy. i urge each one of you to register to vote, and on that election day, we should do our best to make sure that american contribute and participate in the election. insa is a nonprofit not vertical organization. we do not endorse any candidate, but i sincerely urge you, i trust your wisdom, i trust that you will be right person to serve our nation the next four years.

the most important message that we have been giving since the beginning of this year is for each one of you to vote. people before us, especially our african-american brothers and sisters, made immense amounts of sacrifices so that people who would come later on, people like you and me, would be able to enjoy the blessings of democracy , and we will be able to participate in elections and vote. must notking said "we be a segregated nation, but an integrated one. ofmust not be a nation racial dissemination, but a nation where all people are free." my brothers and sisters, while we talk about the challenges backyard,e in our own

i just want to draw your attention for a minute or two to urge you to do your part for brothers and sisters in syria. time,ear, exactly at this we saw images of refugees on the shores of turkey. changed the heart of thousands and thousands of people. as a result, many european nations opened up their doors to welcome the syrian refugees. exactly after one year, we saw the picture of a boy who was pulled out of rubble. his life is reminding us that there are millions of syrian children who are suffering every single day. he became the symbol of those

millions of people -- of children who are urging us to do something to help our brothers and sisters in syria. , ibrothers and sisters today, that each one of us should do our part to ensure that in our lifetime, we will see an independent, free, sovereign syrian nation that has been suffering. this oppression should come to an end. by just chanting slogans, or by just protesting, the change is not going to come. each one of us should do our part. contact, if we have relationships, if we know people who can make a difference, this

is the time for all of us to rise and go above and beyond, and do our part. this is the need of the hour. i have seen with my own eyes the suffering of our brothers and + --rs and all steam -- palestine. to every notego and corner of this holy land, and it is imperative on all of us to see this injustice comes to an end. we also lend our support to our brothers and sisters in kashmir, who hard -- are suffering for the past two months. i know more than 200 young boys and girls are blinded because shells are shocked -- shot in their eyes. this should come to an end.

, inrothers and sisters faith and inhumanity. i know we don't -- and in humanity. i know we don't have many numbers here but, but we should do a thing we can to represent their cause. chicagothe shooting of -- here in the city of chicago, we have seen racial discrimination that people are getting discriminated, and are becoming victims of hate and bigotry. we need to do our part. each one of us should offer their hands and support to ensure that this great nation of all forms offrom discrimination, from all forms of bigotry and hate.

once a wise man said only those to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly. in conclusion, i want to remind that rich areyou the blessings of your lord. in this great nation of ours, we enjoy some and he blessings, so many bounties. we need to express our gratitude toward our creator for the mercies and for the bounties that he has bestowed upon all of us. my brothers and sisters, islamic society of north america is your organization. for the past 53 years, this organization is working tirelessly to serve on american muslim community. year, this

organization has been to more than 100 cities across america, taking our programs, taking our events, taking our conferences, taking our education forms, taking our interfaith and government forms, taking our youth cap's, taking our youth camps to serve american muslim communities. tonight, i urge you, and i appeal to you, and i urge each and every individual young and sister, tor and strengthen the hands of islam, become a member of isna and ensure this organization continues to serve american another 500 years. my brothers and sisters, i will in thee, since we are land of lincoln, i will finish

with a quote -- "i like to see a man out of the place he lives. i like to see a man lives so his place will be proud of him. " but as sisters, no matter what you do, isna is working for you. please continue to support the important work of islamic society of north america. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] earlier this afternoon, vice presidential candidate mike pence made of surprise visits to the pentagon to commemorate the 9/11 attacks. the republican nominee spent half an hour during an unannounced visit to the 9/11 his wifeaccompanied by karen. they laid a bouquet of white roses in honor of an army

lieutenant and indiana native who died in the attack. >> sunday marks the 15th anniversary of september 11. c-span's live coverage of the event begins during washington journal, where you can join the conversation. september live at the 11 memorial. at 9:30 a.m. eastern, we go to the ceremony at the pentagon with remarks from president obama. at 10:00, we will be in shanksville, pennsylvania, at the flight 93 national memorial. we will then return to new york for the remainder of that's their money. the 15th anniversary of september 11 on c-span, the c-span radio app, and c-span.org. this weekend, book tv brings you 20 -- 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors. eastern, new00

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thank you guys so much for being here. good morning. start with you, and this washington post poll that recently came out. it shows that hillary clinton has a pretty commanding lead when you look at the number of electoral votes and you look at the math. what is donald trump's path forward at this point? guest: i am not sure he really has one. he has been working in some battleground states. some polls recently haven't been that great for clinton. she is up in pennsylvania, or florida, and tied in ohio and pennsylvania is close. florida is a little close. so, if trump can keep making inroads, he may have a chance. it is going to be very difficult for him. host: zoe, do you agree? is this race over?

>> he has a very tough road. the traditional battleground has shifted slightly in the sense that certain states in the midwest like pennsylvania or michigan are perhaps more competitive than we might expect , whereas states like even arizona and nevada might be worse fortune then we might expect. it is definitely different, it is a new race. for clinton, it comes down to doubt and enthusiasm. she is up among latinos more than obama was at this point. there is still on enthusiasm gap there. host: hillary clinton has tried to address this in the past we can make yourself more available to the media, launching a new campaign to make herself more personable. how's that going? guest: it depends on which voters are receiving them. her message are being caught between competing demands on her as a female candidate in particular is an argument that will resonate with many female

voters. women who are in public life feel that strain between needing to be warm and personable and to smile more, but also to prove they are serious and perhaps more domineering than men to make up for their femininity, so to speak. other people that do not have that personal experience, i think will continue to see her as cold, because we have decades of her appearing that way. host: here is a little bit from her latest ad that was released on friday that attempts to make that more personable pitch to voters. [video clip] >> over the months people wanted to know how i was doing. x if i can help in any way, i will. >> she doesn't have to do that. >> my husband and i have asked the question why has she been so nice a lot.

.he cares she listened, and she cared. host: what do you think when you see that ad? guest: i think it does make her look more personable. this also occurred at the dnc were person after person came forward and said she visited me in the hospital and was the first person to call me after i had my child or surgery. she does need to keep doing things like that and it might actually work. as zoe said we have decades of her looking cold. it is a high hurdle for her to overcome. host: our viewers can call in and join the conversation with ashe and zoe, here are the numbers, democrats at (202) 748-8000, republicans at (202) 748-8001 and independents at (202) 748-8002.

we are also reading your tweets. facebook.o on one of the areas where donald trump has been struggling to build up support is among college-educated white women. what's do you see his campaign doing in order to reach out to those voters? guest: i haven't seen a whole lot. i have seen him try to reach out to black voters, but not a whole lot of outreach to the college-educated white women. so, i believe it might be coming. there might be more coming. kellyanne conway has so far been able to be great job of kind of reining him in and not letting the whole trump the trump situation go on. so, i can imagine she has a plan. we don't have much time left.

we need to see it now. guest: it is hard for him to recover from all the things he said about women, and the things he has done. for example, lately, what he said about women in the military. blaming the incidents of sexual assault on the fact that women and men were serving together , even though they have done that for decades. he continues to bring these all thingsback up -- old back up. i think he just doesn't get it. that is going to damage any attempt to recover. host: let's bring in some of our collars -- callers now. caller: yes, it is a shame, the same commentary. we don't have two good choices. i wanted to talk about how the media is giving clinton a free pass.

when there was that recent town hall with matt lauer who was the moderator, during that time, she was talking about libya. she said there were no americans who died in libya. ok. well, a few months ago on the chris matthews show, he was talking about her position going into these countries. he mentioned libya. she said no one died in libya. i thought this woman is so callous, she forgot that the ambassador chris stevens was sending the state department e-mails, 600 of them during the benghazi hearing. i paid attention to that. for once, i realize the republicans were right. she was not answering her questions. she kept saying there we know

saying during those 11 hours she was on the stand that chris knew the danger he was in and the risks he was taking. it was her idea to send him there. host: you are calling in on the democratic line, you don't, get -- you don't sound like a supporter of hillary clinton. what does that mean for you and how you will vote this november? caller: well, myself and many people, total frustration. for many ethical reasons, i cannot vote for her. i drank the clinton kool-aid in the 90's. i was not that much against bill clinton. afterwards, i realized how much damage his policies did to the average american. how bad their policies were. host: all right, that is marge from florida. guest: i would be interested i don't know if she is still on the line, by want to know whether she thinks that trump answers questions directly when he is asked of them. if you compare the two especially at that nbc roundtable what you heard from trump was zero policy details.

even a about everything. also, just direct lying on his record on the iraq war. so, i disagree that clinton is the one given a free pass. both of them are, quite honestly. i think it is pretty equal at this point. that is what people historically don't like either of these candidates. hear: but you do here -- hillary's policies. she has extremely detailed policy ideas. she responds to journalists questions perhaps not on the record, but her team does. when someone asks a fact checking? team does get back to them. trump has this disregard for the will of the media in pressing for details. -- role of the media in pressing for details. you can find details about hillary clinton's policies you can't about trump mostly speaking.

host: you wrote a column recently criticizing hillary clinton's lack of accessibility to the media. do you think she's made efforts to turn that around? guest: she made an effort but it was a very poor effort. her first attempt when she popped in on a plane. that wasn't really a press conference. you didn't know about it ahead of time. they took a couple of questions and left. i think her team said she was coming back and then didn't. members of the media said can we really reset the clock on her? she gave another chance on thursday. she came out and did the podium and she had it, it was kind of official. she took like six questions. look at trump's last press conference, he sat around for about an hour and it was 80 questions asked. most of them were easy, simple questions allowing her to just attacked trump. i don't think she's that much more accessible. again, part of this is on the media. they finally had a chance to ask her questions and didn't ask

them. host: let's turn now to minnesota, brad is calling on the republican line. caller: good morning, ladies. i just got to say this -- it is pretty well done, so was hillary. i have to tell you this. don't ever, ever let anyone tell you obama hasn't been the greatest gift. the house, the senate, the governorships, the 900 states -- the democratic party is dying on the vine and they don't see it. all they are worried about is the big prize. guess what, it is done and over with. accept it. host: that is brad from minnesota. let's hear from one more call it -- caller, and then we hear from our guests. matt is on the independent line, go ahead.

caller: thank you, let's leave aside the fact that hillary has committed perjury by lying to congress and obstructing he bleached her e-mails and destroyed her blackberries with hammers. that is put aside because we all know she is above the law. two points that are pertinent here that she will have trouble with the voters on, number one she is against school choice for poor, inner-city kids. and the disaster of common core. number two, she supports this failed president's sanctuary city policy which lets convicted felons, by the way, thousands of which obama has -- allows them to roam free. host: all right, matthew. i think we hear your point. zoe, would you like to respond? guest: first about the e-mails,