them credit for every year they have served on the appropriate and committee to any committee the transfer. >> i wanted to share it before the public because i think transparency is important and i in order to make the best product if we do end up making some major changes. >> very thoughtful and provocative ideas and worth looking into. thank you. really appreciate you being here. i would like to recognize mr. mcgovern. i believe he has something to submit the record. is, we have a proposal that the committee chairs should consult with ranking members before issuing a subpoena. if the ranking members reject the issuance, there should be a committee, and there should be justification provided to the committee on the website.

i would like to submit her testimony. >> without objection. >> i would also like to insert dated record a letter february 12, 2016, another letter. i would like to have that put in the record. >> without objection. >> and a letter from congressman chairman that-- expresses the ranking member's concern over how the chairs of use of her unilateral subpoena power has led to the disclosure of private medical information. to askould like unanimous consent to insert into the record a letter from ranking member johnson of these science, space committee that highlights the chairs of use of his

unilateral subpoena power and explains how this decision to issue subpoenas to states is aneys generals illegitimate and unconstitutional encroachment on state sovereignty. and finally, consent to insert a letter from member cummings. september 9, 2016. detailing the chairman's use of the --hority for candidates for president. >> those will be submitted into the record. any other material submitted to the subcommittee for purposes of this hearing shall be printed in the record. without objection, the committee is adjourned.

>> today, the heads of the u.s. armed forces testify about the long-term budget needs of the military. the senate armed services committee consider readiness. watch live on c-span3. >> hillary clinton is back on the campaign trail today after taking time off to recover from

pneumonia. she speaks at a rally at greensboro, north carolina. live at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. now, libertarian party gear a nominee is interviewed at the detroit economic club. he spoke about his time as new mexico governor and his plan to revitalize the economy. this is about the minutes. -- this is about 50 minutes. >> and now folks, it is my distinct pleasure to introduce our guest speaker and our moderator. washonorable gary johnson elected governor of new mexico republican in an overwhelming democratic state. and reelected to a second term by a wide margin four years later. despite his two terms of governor, you hear a johnson still prefers to call himself an

entrepreneur. to pay for college, he started a door to door handyman business. 20 years later, the one-man shop had grown into one of the largest construction companies in new mexico with more than 1000 employees. i would call that entrepreneurship. as a businessman, he ran for governor with no prior political resume under and his political science degree from the university of new mexico and his passion for helping people. and although gary considers himself to be libertarian minded, he has always believed that good public policy should be based on practical, cost-benefit analysis rather than just direct ideology. johnson is best known for resisting the temptation to solve every problem with government spending and regulation having vetoed more than 750 ills during his time in

office. he also cut taxes, 14 times without ever raising them. he balanced the state budget and left new mexico with a billion dollars surplus. despiteis two terms, cutting taxes, and the size of government, he improved new mexico's schools and executed a major infrastructure overhaul. 2012 presidential election, johnson participated in the republican party primaries. as an avid skier, adventurer, ironman, and bicyclist, he has scaled the highest peak on each of the seven continents including mount everest. folks, please join me in welcoming the honorable gary johnson. [applause] >> ok, abdul-hakim shabazz, he

lives in indianapolis. you know this man from television, radio, and print media. -- he is an award-winning political writer and commentator. he has been writing about local government in 20 years. steve: and in illinois -- hosts the and writes opinions for the indianapolis star. indianapolis recorder. he is a frequent panelist and six thisor to channel week and inside indiana business. he is also editor and publisher of indie politics. work which has recognized by the washington post two years in a row as one of the best political blogs in

the nation. you are a busy man he is an attorney and holds adjunct teaching positions at the aiversity of indianapolis and community tech college. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming abdul-hakim shabazz. [applause] >> and with that, take it away. mr. shabazz: first of all, i want to extend a hearty thank you to you at the detroit economic club for having me here to play moderator for this forum discussion today. i was in west lafayette last night when the governor had a mitchith indiana governor daniels. this morning, i got up at 5:00 a.m. getting home at 5:00 was much more fun than getting up at 5:00. it is our pleasure to be here. and as governor johnson will tell you, you can ask him

anything and everything because he is that kind of person. here is the first question, governor. this came up in the car this morning. the last two times we had a president whose last name was johnson, one was impeached and the other got us in vietnam. what is different about gary johnson? us start withet the impeachment side. i have done a couple of things in my life or believe in several things but one of them is if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. and another is i think the unforgivable in life is saying one thing and doing another. i am not a hypocrite. then with regard to lyndon johnson, and getting involved in be at non-, -- and getting etnam. i in the avi

do blame him. my first vote was for mcgovern against nixon because of the vietnam war. i don't think we should be involved in supporting regime change. i cannot think of one single example in my lifetime that that has worked out positively. outshabazz: let us start with a big issue which is jobs and the economy. i did some research last night. in michigan, the latest unemployment figures shows michigan is 4.5%, nationally it is 4.9%. is 5.1%.tself what should the role of the president be in job creation? mr. johnson: when i ran in the 2012 cycle, rick kerry was beating his chest over the fact that he had created more jobs in texas than anyone else running for president.

they did an analysis and it was actually made. and my response to that was the same as when i was governor of new mexico and that was that i did not create one single job as governor of new mexico. the private sector creates the jobs. the government does not. that what i did do and would do as president is create certainty , certainty that taxes were only going to go down. certainly that certainty that rules and regulations were only going to get better from a common sense standpoint and i did run state government. i will run federal government. i will appoint everyone to head these agencies. and the roles and regulations will not get any worse, they will get better. i will sign on to any proposal that simplifies taxes. i will sign onto any proposal that reduces taxes.

and as governor of new mexico, over an eight year period, not one penny of tax went up anywhere. of certainty,d and yes, it would be wonderful to sign on to reduction in taxes, but in an environment of certainty, i suggest that business does have confidence and jobs do grow. mr. shabazz: how do we restore data shows the economy has turned around but there are a lot of americans that do not really. they do not feel like they are making more money. how do you make that emotional connection with the american voter which is also crucial in leadership? mr. johnson: having been governor of new mexico running for president, i do think rony capitalism is alive and well. i do believe that pay to play exists and that is when government takes winners and

losers. i will tell you, having been governor of new mexico, you can bring an end to that. i had a supporter after i left office talking about pay to play. and i said to my supporter, jerry, i did not do any of that. zero of that. and he said, gary, we know that. it has never happened before and it will never happen again. i will just tell you that good government is easy. it is easy to bring all of that to an end. what i think people are really looking for in this country is equal opportunity. it is a system right now that is game. and i also believe that. and i also believe that overnight with whom you elect, you can bring that to an end. mr. shabazz: and the issue of trade and trade deals. nafta, or the

transpacific trade partnership. what is your opinion on trade? are you a free trader? are you for terrorists? -- tariffs? mr. johnson: i am free trade. donald trump is talking about a on imported goods. currently that is 1.4%. who will pay for the 35%? i make the pledge that as president, i will sign onto anything that makes things better. nothing is perfect. . would sign tpp i believe that it benefits the united states. that we are all about high-tech, high wage jobs and in fact it would do that. mr. shabazz: what about the criticism that these trade deals will undermine american businesses, particularly american manufacturing. when donald trump talks about american jobs going overseas and

he intends to bring them back. have we negotiated bad trade deals? i pledge to you as president, and i love this aspect of having been governor of new mexico. i immersed myself in these issues. i am or is myself from the standpoint of making things better. always, an analysis of anything that came on my desk in the context of -- will this make things better? saying that, i may have vetoed otheregislation than the 49 governors in the country combined. i vetoed 750 bills. only two were overturned. i took line item veto to a new art form. i saw a lot of legislation that benefited those that had money morenfluence giving them money and influence. i saw a lot of legislation that politically was spending money

that was not going to have any impact whatsoever on the issue itself. but, i was also completely transparent. veto messages, going before the new mexico people and explaining my side on all of this. i just think it is significant that in a state that was two to one democrat, me being fiscally conservative over the top, i was voted in by a larger margin the second time that the first time. people appreciate good stewardship of tax dollars. mr. shabazz: we are in detroit. the automobile bailout. in the last decade. would you have supported it? mr. johnson: free trade. that is about letting the market rule. i would not have bailed out the auto industry. i would not have bailed out wall street. and i am not doing this in a vacuum. my economics

advisor. believed that staff that there would have been a catastrophic, financial failure would we do not have bailed out wall street. they made horrible choices. they should have been rewarded by making those horrible choices by going bankrupt. we do have a mechanism for reef -- restructuring and it is bankruptcy. i do not think that michigan, the auto industry would have died at all but the government interjecting itself in business does in fact pick winners and losers. mr. shabazz: let us change topics. to the issue of immigration. what is your position? do you support passive citizenship? do you round up 11 million people? do you build a wall? and as governor of a border state, you have a unique perspective. mr. johnson: we should embrace

immigration. we are a country of immigrants. thing.nts is a good a wharton school of business -- three weeks ago, that is donald trump's alma mater, it came out with an analysis restricting immigration and it would have a negative impact on our economy allowing for more high skilled workers, immigrants, to come into our country would having minimal positive impact on this country. increasing immigration, there a positive impact on the economy. 11 million undocumented workers. the deportation of 11 million undocumented workers is grounded in untruth, and in this information. these are hard-working people who have come across the border and they have done so undocumented because the u.s.

has made it impossible for them to get a work visa. we should make it as easy as possible for anyone that wants to come into this country and work to get a work visa. that should entail a background check and a social security card so applicable taxes get paid. building a fence across the border is just crazy. they are taking jobs that u.s. citizens do not want. they are the cream of the crop when it comes to workers. if you talk about the deportation of 11 million undocumented workers in new mexico where 50% of the population is hispanic. i tell you what, that will be going door to door, kicking people out of homes they have owned for decades. 20 years ago, the undocumented worker was not the issue it is today. 20 years ago, it was that you could not get a work visa, you came over, got a job, and had children.

we would be deporting leading citizens in new mexico, deporting them back to mexico. it is just wrong. mr. shabazz: do we do citizenship, or permanent residency? mr. johnson: for the 11 million that are here, we should make it as easy as possible to get a work visa. comprehensive immigration reform needs to lay out a pathway to citizenship. no undocumented worker in this country currently should be able to jump the line when it comes to citizenship but we need to establish citizenship. we are a country of immigrants. medicare, ift our you look at social security, if you look at our economy, if you look at housing, i think we are -- we greatly benefit by increasing immigration in this

country. issue,bazz: another since we are in michigan, i was listening to this program coming in today. donald trump is scheduled to make a visit to flint, michigan. the mayor of michigan -- the pressof detroit held a conference to draw attention to the environmental crisis. is that a situation that the government should be involved in? mr. johnson: it is a situation the government should be involved in. government has a fundamental responsibility to protect those -- i support the epa. when the whole flint thing broke, as governor of new mexico, i had a program that no one else had in the country and i did it for a years. after called open door four where anyone in new mexico could come and see me on the

third thursday of the month starting at 4:00 in the afternoon until 10:00 on five minute increments. come, michigan, would have to me at open door after 4:00 if other avenues had failed. id i guarantee you that had not done something at the first meeting, the second meeting, everyone from flint would have been in that meeting and i would have been in the middle of that. i do not want to point fingers, i do not know what has happened in michigan other than this really is a catastrophic failure of government and the inability to communicate and the communication was not open. as president, i am going to actually have an open door after four policy as president. obviously, there are some logistics to go along with that but i think it is a way to stay

connected and it was one of the most valuable things that i did. mr. shabazz: where do you find that medium between overregulation versus legitimate health and safety concerns? mr. johnson: and that is what i love about the job. --what is overregulation? -- overt regulation? and where is common sense in this? i come back to open door after 4:00. underpassclosed and in northern new mexico saying big trucks but not fit under the underpass. a sixg trucks to have hour detour every time they took that route. a trucker comes in and says -- hey, they closed this. and i said, they closed it because your truck will not fit under this. under that bridge.

there is nothing wrong with that bridge. and i said -- i will get that bridge opened up tomorrow. thatled the secretary of department and he laughed at me. and i said -- they do fit under that bridge. and we opened it up. my point is that government does go awry and there should be mechanisms to differentiate between what is good and what is not so good. and what is capricious behavior on the part is oftentimes singular bureaucrats within the system. but it should be that vigilant. good government was easy. let us talk national security and foreign policy. on sunday, we marked the 15th anniversary of 9/11. since then, we have been involved in conflicts in afghanistan and iraq. i. johnson: after 9/11,

supported going into afghanistan. we were attacked. we attacked back. al qaeda. but after being in afghanistan for seven months, we wiped out al qaeda. we did not get osama bin laden but we should have gotten out of afghanistan after seven months and left our options open for coming back in to get osama bin laden. i believe we should get out of afghanistan tomorrow and for all of the horrible consequences, which i believe can be completely mitigated. but for all of the harmful consequences that will exist tomorrow for getting out tomorrow, is anyone here kidding themselves that the same circumstances will not exist 20 years from now if that is when we finally decide to get out or for some, forever? when it came to iraq, that was regime change. that was supporting regime change.

at that time, i said, look, let us not do this. we have the military surveillance capability to see what someone is having for lunch if that is what we want to train our satellites on. see them rolle to out any weapons of mass destruction, and if they do that, we can have all sorts of options at that time. i do believe going into iraq has resulted in the syrian civil war , isis, and it was saddam's henchmen that fled to area.qa there are, we are supporting the kurds against isis but the kurds are sideways with turkey who is our ally but not such a good allied inns we invaded iraq. it just goes on and on. this up.t make

when we invaded syria, iraq -- looking as syria, we supported the free syrian army against president assad. and this happened in aleppo for those of you that followed my story. [laughter] mr. shabazz: which i was just about to ask you about. [laughter] mr. johnson: we supported the free syrian army against the president assad administration but they are allied with the islamist's. and we are not in support of the islamists. and they are fighting against president assad. fightaid the islamists to aside. sad. islamistsp in the hands. mr. johnson: -- mr. shabazz: aleppo.

flakot a little bit of about aleppo doing an interview. probablye public has got no idea where aleppo is on the map but 90% of the public are not running for president. did that hurt your campaign? mr. johnson: was i expecting and aleppo day on this campaign? i was expecting it with 100% certainty. i am expecting at least one more aleppo day. and however many more of those days there are, it is what it is. 90% of americans are not running for president. i am. i should have known that. and there is no excuse for aleppo somehown thinking it was an acronym. but such is life. indicative ofs all of our lives. all of our lives encompass

mistakes and it is really how we deal with mistakes that ultimately determine success. every single day, each and every one of us, are confronted with adversity. we can crawl up into a ball. declare ourselves a victim and give up or put a smile on your face, and keep on. face, keepe on your on going. mr. shabazz: the culture. we have always had a bit of a brash society, when it comes to american discourse, somehow it seems even more rockets. thought a school of that attributes this to social media. there are so many news choices that individuals go immediately to the news choice that justifies their worldview. candidate,ential what can you do or should you do anything to break down those

civil,o we can have more intelligent discourse? mr. johnson: this is a sales pitch. let me offer three scenarios for the upcoming election. myself third scenario, and bill weld, we are the only third-party candidates in all 50 states. that is it. we are it. if you elect donald trump or clinton, is the only are they in congress going to get any better? does anybody believe they are going to get along when all they want to do right now is kill each other? no way. no one believes that. third scenario, bill weld, gary , right, former governors down the middle. fiscally conservative. socially inclusive. skeptical when it comes to military intervention. free traders. right down the middle.

hiring democrats, republicans, libertarians. everyone would be libertarian leaning. standing back and calling both sides to come to the table and deal with the issues of the day. oldg able to decide with sides on individual issues. really able to come together in a big way. the third scenario is the only one that has possibilities. both hillary clinton and donald trump have high disapproval ratings. this is clinton is in the mid-50's. on trump, mid-60's unfavorably. with that said, why is gary johnson having trouble cracking 15%? my name has never appealed on the top -- appeared on the top line of any poll. the topy mouse were on

line of a national poll right doesmickey would be at 30 mickey is a known commodity. but mickey is not on the ballot in all 50 states. does not even know that i exist. unique today, 50% of americans that are going to register to vote, are registering as independents. where is that representation? currently, it is bill weld and myself. it is the libertarian party. right and the middle on all of this. mr. shabazz: what you say to this individual in the audience right now who is listening to this conversation, that says, i really like this year he johnson guy. he makes a lot of sense. -- iou know, third-party don't know.

i feel like the guy cannot win and i am wasting a vote. what you tell that person? mr. johnson: that is key to all of this. the notion that you might be able to win. believeand we still that we will run the table on this but to win, we have to be in the presidential debate. expected to garner more viewership than the super bowl. cannot win unless you are in the presidential debate. you cannot be in the presidential debate unless you are at 50% and you cannot be at 15% unless you are on the top line of the polls. 100% of the media start off by the top- i reporting line. 70% of america do not know that we are in the race. what i say to those that would say -- that is a wasted vote. a wasted vote is voting for someone you do not believe in. nothing will change if you keep

voting one of the two major policies into office again. they have become so polarizing -- they have done this to themselves. mr. shabazz: marijuana. what do you think? in 1999, i: well, was the highest elected official in the u.s. to call for the legalization of marijuana. mr. shabazz: highest as in --? [laughter] i just want to make sure -- [laughter] [applause] i have been waiting for three days to use that line. [laughter] saying -- mr. johnson: tens of millions of americans in this country are felons that but for our drug laws would otherwise be

taxpaying, law-abiding citizens. we had the highest incarceration rate in and -- in any country in the world, and i refuse to believe that we are less law-abiding in this country than other countries in the world and that has its roots in the drug war. i do believe we will lag -- legalize marijuana and when we do that, this country will take a quantum leap of understanding when it comes to other drugs and recognize that the drug issue is a health problem as opposed to a criminal justice problem. and let me say, indulging in any , anyof marijuana, alcohol substance whatsoever, becoming impaired, getting behind the wheel of a car, that will always be a legal and government has to play a role in that. when it comes to the legalization of marijuana, that will be a state issue.

not a federal government issue. just like alcohol. there are still counties in this aretry well -- where there right countries and -- dry counties in this country. i would reclassify marijuana as a class one. to allow for the research. for example, impairment needs to be established. it currently does not exist. exist inng issues that half of the states that have legal, medicinal erewhon a, four ,tates have it recreationally would resolve those banking issues. to thebazz: coming down last five minutes of the conversation up her with governor johnson. if you have questions you would like to ask, feel free to start right away.e

we have questions about the health concerns of our elected officials of late. mrs. clinton with her pneumonia. and donald trump was supposed to come onto dr. oz to discuss his health. that has changed. for everyone running president over 60, how are you feeling? [laughter] mr. johnson: if i am not elected president of the u.s., i will be skiing 120 days this upcoming season because i have built my .ream home in taos next june, i am planning to ride the divide with a 3000 mile like raise -- likeld .ace that is my plan and june. i will have a physical tomorrow because of this issue.

be it is not such a high , so and i hate to embellish i do not want this to be an embellishment, but i will be the fittest president of the united states ever. [applause] mr. shabazz: we are almost done with our conversation before questions from the audience. you look around at america today, what would you say is our greatest challenge and also our greatest opportunity? mr. johnson: i don't think life in this country has ever been better. we get along with one another the end -- better than ever. our kids are smarter than ever. outave issues, let me point one of those issues. let me say this -- all lives

matter. but lack lives matter -- but black lives matter and here is why. they are being shot six times more often than whites. if you are arrested for a crime -- you are of color, there it is four times more likely that you will end up behind bars. and if you are white, you're not taken out of your car and -- if iup to where were subject to the same kind of treatment, i would probably have .he costs on me also but i am not subject to that treatment. it discrimination does exist and we have our heads in the sand. i have had my head in the sand on this issue. but we will come to grips with this. faster, more accurately.

we will put things in place. i will be in control of the department of justice, having appointed the best practices in inmunities, worst practices communities. so that we can overcome the problems we are facing. but this is america today. this is a wonderful place. we all know that. we all know that. mr. shabazz: ladies and johnson,, gary libertarian candidate of the united states. [applause] ok, thank you. we have more than a few questions from the audience. i am going to start with -- we had several different questions on taxes. whatd a student asked --

are your views on the simplification of our tax policy? we have several people that want to know how you lower the budget and provide more services? had we keep it a robust -- how do we keep a robust military? mr. johnson: with certainty, taxes will not go up under a johnson presidency. i will say the same thing about bill weld. he cut taxes 21 times. i cut taxes 14 times. stateeld for load employees the first day in office. he was a republican that served democrat. that is 4-1 certainty that government will get smaller. taxes simplified. taxes lowered.

environment, i think that creates confidence. i think the economy grows with that. haveing spending, which we not talked about is so important in this equation. look, bill weld and i are pledging to submit a balanced budget to congress, a template for how you balance the budget in 100 days. what is the significance of a balanced legit? -- balanced budget? it is for the kids i spoke with this morning. my generation will get health care and retirement -- and they have to pay for this? no. and you do nothing about the entitlements of social security, medicaid -- reforms are needed or make them actual .arily sound

military. our pledge is invincible national defense. that does not mean that the defense department is not 20% overblown. the pentagon itself in the mid-1990's, requisitioned the black commission. many of you probably remember that. that commission said 25% more u.s. bases could be closed but there was not the political will to ever accomplish that. my pledge to you is that i will bring that political will to make that happen. this job is about doing what is right and what needs to be done in this country and that is why i am seeking it. standpoint,nal there was nothing more intellectually stimulating as governor of new mexico then being at the heart of all of these issues and looking at all of them from the standpoint of will it make it better?

we are heading to a fiscal cliff. we are heading towards insolvency. bankruptcy. whatever you want to call it. what will the effect of printing money to cover it have? it will have whiplash inflation on all of us. >> thank you. one of the questions that was most popular is all about the .ffordable care act, obamacare if elected to office, what would be your approach? that is another one of those affordable care act's. i do agree with chief justice roberts that the affordable .ealth care act is a tax my health insurance premiums have quadrupled. i have not been to see a doctor for a three years. that will change tomorrow. [laughter] count -- with certainty, we

will sign legislation that makes health care more affordable. we will sign onto legislation that makes it better. what are the components that would make it more affordable and better? it would be opening up health care to the free market. by the way, health care is as far removed from the free market as it possibly can be currently. if you add a free market economy when it came to health care, none of us would have health insurance to cover ourselves for ongoing medical needs. we would have insurance to cover ourselves for catastrophic injury and illness and we would pay as you go in a system that i would guess would cost 1/5 what it currently costs. we would have gallbladders are us. we would have x-rays are as. we would have advertised pricing with advertised outcomes.

we go to the doctor today and we have no idea how much it will cost. the person at the desk has no idea how much it would cost. when you get the bill, you know no one is actually paying that. that is what we have today. if we could have a genuine free-market approaches to health care, we would also address health from the start as opposed to the result of poor health care. lifestylexercise, would be such a huge component on the front end. it should be market driven. it should be free market driven. [applause] >> ok, this is another one that a lot of people have on their minds. goldman sachs recently announced its top employees are banned from contributing to certain campaigns.

what would you do as president to stop corporations from influencing elections and furthercan -- and contributing to the erosion of our civil liberty? mr. johnson: the reform that is needed when it comes to campaign finance. or should be unlimited campaign contribution but there should be 100% transparency. something that does not exist today. contrary to popular belief, limiting campaign contribution an incumbency protection act. the number one factor is name familiarity. and if you have held an office, you have an upper hand over anyone that is trying to gain the same office. the super pac's today, zero transparency with the zero packs. make it unlimited campaign contribution but make it 100% transparent. i would sign legislation where

candidates would have to wear nascar jackets and have logos on the nascar jackets commensurate with the size of the contribution from general motors, intel, coca-cola, microsoft, google, whatever. [laughter] >> ok. that was serious also but in light of -- this is a student question. in light of the recent shootings in orlando and san bernardino, what would you do to stop domestic mass shooting? mr. johnson: first of all, what do you do to stop the mystic shootings? whatould absolutely -- should you do to stop domestic shootings? we should be open to discussion on how to give -- how to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill or would-be terrorists?

as president, i would love to know what transpired between the fbi and the shooter in orlando. the system fell through the cracks. i bet the fbi has some really good ideas about moving forward. bill weld has said we should to takee a task force, these calls in and start to -- i don't want to call it a program, but a strategy for how to deal with the would-be terrorists which i think makes a lot of sense. >> absolutely. now, we will switch to education. i will combine two questions. in your opinion, what are some keys to restoring educational excellence in the u.s. and on top of that, and this is a student question, your can --

your campaign wants to reform education, would school vouchers be a part of that? mr. johnson: as governor of new mexico, i was the most outspoken governor regarding school choice. pledge aslot -- a governor that i would increase educational funding as a percentage of the budget for each year i was in office and i did that. what i did every year was to put more money in education which gave me the freedom to say what i said in new mexico which is that we need to bring competition to public education. for six straight years in new mexico, i proposed a full-blown voucher system that would in fact have brought competition to public education. i do believe that education eriod. be a state issue p [applause] i do believe that if we had 50 laboratory of innovation,

we would have fabulous success that would be emulated by other states. as what should the federal role be in education -- i propose abolishing the federal department of education. it is strictly dollars and cents. michigan gives washington $.13. michigan gets back $.11. how do you like that transaction? and then, washington says, to get your $.11, you have to do d -- it costs, michigan $.14 to get the $.11. why not leave the money in michigan's hands and allow michigan to compete with other states. i will predict that best

practice will be bringing competition to public education. why are we still doing works and mortar? the model for the future is the khan academy. the and many of you are familiar with that. many people think the department of education was established under george washington. it was established under jimmy carter. has theretell you -- been anything added since it has been in existence? i don't think so. [applause] >> ok, thank you very much. we have two quick questions left. what impact will millennials have on this presidential election and what is your plan to attract millennials? polling theyin the have done, i have leading in millennials, 18-24.

and there are probably some cringing in terms of defining millennial. the things i am saying not only attract millennials that the things i and saying encompass what 60% of americans believe. opinion.y and i think that if i were allowed on the debate stage, i think my name familiarity would go from 30% to 100% and i think that would bode well for actually becoming the next president of the united states. but with regard to millennials, we are leading in that 18-24 age group. i would also like to point out and if i mentioned it earlier, it is a result of doing this earlier and i do enjoy being here. but there have been two polls

done on active military personnel. and who they favor to be president. in both of those polls, i and the overwhelming choice to be the next commander in chief. [applause] >> ok, so, last question. areand governor weld frequently photographed playing chess while on the campaign trail. who would you say is the superior player? mr. johnson: so -- >> i left you speechless. mr. johnson: when we got together, i reread his wikipedia page. and bill plays three guys blindfolded simultaneously. and when we got together, i said that i am looking forward to playing chess. and he was excited.

i don't want to say i am good but i really enjoy playing the game. bill weld is the smartest guy in the room. he is. anyway, we played game number one finely. and i beat him. and then we played game number two, and he said -- you know, i underestimated you. and i will not let that happen on game two. and bill weld is a classy guy. he is saying this in front of national media. game two, i beat him again. so game three is looking grim. >> i thought you were going to say one and done. thank you so much for traveling to our fair city and being with us. shabazz you did such a great job moderating. thank you governor johnson.

we really appreciate it. [applause] and ladies and gentlemen, thank you do you all. and with that, as meeting is adjourned. thank you.

>> hillary clinton is back on the campaign trail today after taking time off to recover from pneumonia. she will speak at a rally in greensboro, north carolina at 2:00 on c-span3.