we are going to vote. [applause] [applause] obama-clinton have been silent about islamic terrorism for many years. has not listened to recruiting, but has increased it. that is what has happened. in this weakness, it invites ingress and -- aggression. of a brutalhe face enemy, and they have become brittle because we have allowed them to become brittle --

brutal. it allows it to spread and that is what is happening all of the world. heard the snake that i read every once in a while? i can do it if you like. should i do it? [cheers] me, this was written by al wilson in the 1990's. i heard it and i said, that is exactly what is going on here. people are coming across our borders. people are coming in and brought into our country. we're going to make potentially the trojan horse look like something that is very unimportant by comparison. we don't want to be the ones that 200 years from now they are reading about allowing something into our country with a different name than the trojan horse but has the same impact.

this is called the snake. this has to do with people coming to our country. i think you will enjoy it. more important than enjoy, i think it will make a point. morning,y to work one lake, a path along the kind woman saw a poor half frozen snake. his pretty color skin had been frosted with the do. oh well, i will take you in. like we are doing. i will take care of you. take me in for heaven sake. ghed the broken snake. she wrapped him up and laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk. now she heard home from work that night.

as soon as she arrived, she found that pretty snake she had taken in had been revived. take me and, tender woman, take , said the snake. now she clutched him to her bosom. you are so beautiful she cried. but if i had not brought you in by now, you certainly might have died. now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight. instead of saying thank you, that snake gave her a vicious bite. .ake me in side the vicious snake. i saved you cried the woman.

and you have but to me. -- bit me. heavens why? you know your bite is poisonous and now i'm going to die. woman, said the reptile with a grin. you knew i was a snake before .ou took me in [cheers] it is amazing. it is going to happen unless we get very smart. we are going to build a wall. [cheers]

don't worry about it. ande going to build a wall mexico is going to pay for the wall. we are going to make trade deals that are great. lots of good things are going to happen. [cheers] don't worry. isis is torturing, murdering, executing and exterminating people in a campaign of genocide. what is hillary clinton's suggestion? we should censor our vocabulary and never say the certain words, refusing to say the words radical islam has not saved a single life and never will. our president does not say the words and look what is happening here and all over the world. , we refuse to say the words are presiding over something that the world has not seen the

level of evil, it is unbelievable. when we went to high school and went to college, we would study medieval times. that is when they chopped off heads. we are in medieval times. they drown people in steel cages. they bury people in the sand. we have never seen anything like that. iraq.against going into we got out the wrong way. president obama did a terrible thing the way he got out of the work. -- war. somebody was telling me this weekend, a great expert, iraq has essentially been taken over by iran. all of those lives come all of that money, trillions of dollars, what have we got? on top of it, he got us out the wrong way and isis formed.

great job, president obama. [boos] just like we named our enemy in the cold war, so too must we name our enemy today. might not bements the far left think tank, but there is no place for some of the do the job as commander-in-chief. they are naive and reckless. they do not meet the high standards of the office she is seeking. the white house says it is just a war -- emeritus. imagine telling that to the thousands of people murdered by this sadistic, evil enemy. this is the so-called leadership that has turned isis loose on the world and flung our borders

wide open. it is time for tough borders. it is time for common sense. it is time to do things right. we have to put america first. obama and clinton have toppled regimes, displaced millions of people and then open the door to isis into our country. a not smart policy. this will go down, when people look at this in the years ahead, as one of the worst foreign-policy decisions ever made by any country at any time. isisve opened the world to and now we have to close those

doors. [cheers] hillary clinton's decisions overseas have left us with the threat we face today and her immigration policies will invite this threat on to our shores. it is already happening. we must stop the massive inflow of refugees which hillary clinton is trying to dramatically increase. far more than we are taking and now. -- taking in now. you almost say, is this possible? candace even be happening. -- candace even be happening -- can this even be happening? we should temporarily suspend immigration entirely from regions were safe and adequate screening cannot occur. [cheers]

my policy will benefit the millions of wonderful immigrants living here and felt wonderful immigrants coming into our country in the future. all good and decent loving people want to live and eight good and decent loving country a good and decent loving country. the pro-immigrant position is the position that favors tough screening and tight control. we want people to come into our country. but they have to come in legally through a process and we need extreme screening. [cheers] all immigrants benefit when we keep out those who do not truly wish to join our society immigrants benefit economically in terms of less job competition and benefit in terms of safety when we control future

admissions into our nation. we want to take care and protect all of our people, including our great law-abiding american loving immigrants. right tos the immigrate to this country. it is the job of a responsible government to admit only does to our expected to succeed and lourish.re -- f they have to love our country. they have to love us. [cheers] >> usa. usa. usa.

>> what amazing people, he now? -- you know? i think we are going to win by a lot. [cheers] i can say this, when hillary comes in, she has small crowds. that i can tell you. covering theess is size of this arena and the crowd here and the thousands that are outside. which they are not. [cheers] pew polling showed that in many of the countries where we have come numbers of immigrants extreme views about religion such as the death penalty for those who leave the faith are commonplace. according to pew a majority of afghanistan and iraq, the people

say honor killings of women are often justified. around 100,000d from these countries over the last short period of time. and the person today came through afghanistan. what kind of screening procedures were performed? so difficult subjects that must be discussed. we have an obligation to discuss them. this is the kind of thing we need to have an honest devisingion when screening methods, they have to be good screening methods. they have to be methods that work. unless we have those methods, you cannot commit to the country. [cheers] just look at the san bernardino horrible shooting. and the female shooter who came on a fiancee visa from saudi

arabia. defeating this threat will require the best intelligence gathering in the world. by the way, the detainees being released from gitmo are returning to the battlefield. let them go. then they returned to the battlefield. is anybody in this room surprised? that many of those detainees are returning to the battle. . best reductione thatassified information is the worst situation. -- this disqualifies her from the presidency. totally. she covers up her criminal action bike master leaking her e-mails.

how about she gets a subpoena from the united states congress and after she get the subpoena, she deletes 33,000 e-mails and everything is just fine. what is going on? [boos] not only did she delete them, she bleached them. something most people have not even heard about. she destroyed her funds. many, the old-fashioned way with a hammer. this is beneath the dignity of the oval office. our next president is also stand up for america and promote american eyes. do you all remember president obama's apology tour?

he apologized for the american -- united states. we are so sorry. by naive words were followed even more naive actions. the failure to establish a new status of forces agreement in iraq and the election driven timetable for withdrawal my disaster. surrendered our gains in that country and led directly to the rise of isis. i opposed to going into iraq. unlike hillary clinton. wayposed the reckless obama-clinton left iraq. the failures in iraq were compounded by the clintons disaster in libya. president obama has since said he regrets libya as his worst mistake. you would not know to watch them. i believe that if you could go back years and he had the decision whether or not to make her secretary of state, he could

never admit this and i never expect him to come although maybe if he gets a lot of money for a book, he would choose not to make her secretary of state. she was a disaster. [applause] she is the one who pushed for the war. when episode of bad judgment after another, bernie sanders during the debate said on numerous occasions that hillary clinton suffers from that judgment. she does. thatbatch judgment -- judgment was a disaster and we now have the situation that we have with lots of problems all over the world. launched.has been as she threw the middle east into violent turmoil, things turned out very well for her. the clintons made $69 in gross $60 million in gross

income while she was secretary of state. enough is enough. it is time to break with the corruption, the bad judgment and the failures. it is time to have a new and great american future. [cheers] we are going to change our immigration system to reflect american values. we are going to stop the reckless and costly policy of regime change overseas and focus on working in partnership with our allies on a military campaign to utterly destroy isis. we have no choice. this will require latour warfare and also financial warfare, cyber warfare and even ideological warfare.

we have to beat them at their own game. they are playing the game much better than we are. youth are going for their portion. our goal is not to build democracies, our goal is defeat of the enemy. back toto get rebuilding our country. our country is a mess. our infrastructure is a disaster. owe almost $20 trillion. our country is in trouble. enough endless war. it is time to have a real plan for victory. to win the struggle, we need to be strong at home. my economic plan can be summed words: jobs, jobs, jobs. [cheers]

i am going to massively lower your taxes. and middleinesses incomes. that is everybody. i'm going to get rid of the vast amounts of unnecessary regulations on your businesses and in your lives. it is horrible. i'm going to repeal and replace up on the care -- obamacare. it is a disaster. [cheers] i'm going to unleash american energy. [cheers] wait until you see what happens. we will start paying down our debt. so many things can happen. even the electric bill would be a lot less. we do it properly, i know. i'm going to appoint justices to the supreme court who will

follow the constitution. [cheers] i'm going to rebuild our depleted military and take care of our veterans. [cheers] renegotiate our disastrous trade deals. they are a disaster. [cheers] i'm going to put american iggedrs first and fix our r system. roads, rebuild our bridges, tunnels, highways, airports, schools and hospitals. american cars will travel the roads. soar theplanes will skies and american ships will patrol the series. -- seas.

[cheers] american steel will send new skyscrapers into the clouds. hands will rebuild our nation. [cheers] american energy mind from american sources willpower this nation. american workers will be hired to do the job. we will put new american steel into the spine of our country. every neglected part of this nation. i will fight to bring us together as one american people. imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people, under one god saluting one american flag. [cheers]

it is time to break with a bitter failures of the past and to embrace a new, inclusive prosperous american future. success,of togetherness and unity. if future of fixing our inner a future of fixing our inner cities and

african-american areas of the country that have been treated so badly. our inner cities are a core -- horror. no jobs, safety, education is the worst. we're going to fix it. we're going to fix it. you have been hearing that for years and years by the democrats who have run the inter-cities for more than 100 years straight. we're going to fix them. good to get tremendous boats -- i'm going to get tremendous votes from the african-american community. tremendousg to get votes from the his manic -- hispanic community. we're going to bring jobs back to our country. tremendous once more, we're going to have a government of, by, and for the

people. [cheers] we will make america, and some people don't like this because it does not sound right, wealthy again. [cheers] we will make america stronger again. -- strong again. we will make america safe again. [cheers] make america great again. [cheers] thank you. god bless you. thank you. [cheers] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]

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house speaker paul ryan laid out his economic plan today in a speech at the economic club of new york. that is next on c-span. then a report on poverty in the u.s.. later, president obama talks about the attacks in new jersey and minnesota and new york. next, republican house speaker already outlined his party's ideas for the economy at an event hosted by the economic club of new york. following his remarks, and depart in a discussion with glenn hubbard and former white house budget director. this is 50 minutes. >> welcome, everybody. to the 455th meeting of the economic club of new york.

i'm terry lundgren. chairman of the economic club of new york and chairman and ceo of macy inc.. before we get started, i have some good news for all of us. the bombing suspect has been captured and is in custody. [applause] all want tou would hear that before we get started. the economic club of new york is the nation's leading nonpartisan forum for speeches of economic, social and political issues. more than 1000 prominent guest speakers have appeared before this club over the last century. i want to personally recognized the 234 members of the sentinel society. these club members continue to make an extraordinary crop of version -- contribution to ensure the financial stability of the club into its second century. for those of you who would like

to learn more about the society, these contact myself. welcome the like to students here. they are from the columbia law school. at each one of the it abounds, we always try to include students as much as possible to broaden their education beyond the classroom. this afternoon, we are honored to welcome our distinguished guest, the honorable paul ryan. speaker of the u.s. house of representatives. he is a fifth-generation wisconsin native and enraged and wisconsin. term asrving his not member of congress representing wisconsin's first congressional district. in october of 2015, paul was elected speaker of the house after john boehner retired. prior to serving, congressman

ryan served as the chairman of the house ways and means committee where he focused on many issues across the federal government. included tax reform, medicare, social security, trade arrangements and the affordable health care. and one hundred 13 congress's gum he served as the house budget committee where he put forward a multifaceted land to tackle major fiscal issues entitled the path to prosperity. he is proud to say that he is a graduate of justice a craig high a craig higheph school and earned a degree from miami university in ohio. they live in janesville with their children. following his speech, we will club membersnated

who ask questions. for now, speaker ryan, the podium is yours. [applause] speaker ryan: thank you. terry.ou very much, speaking of joseph a craig high got electedaughter vice president of the ninth grade class. [applause] just goes to show that at least can get in our family elected to vice president. she broke the curse. [laughter] that't have to tell you the whole country is thinking about new york these days. in a span of just a few hours, we realized yet again that terror can strike at any moment. in this world we're living in, nothing can be taken for granted. nothing can sober the mind more

than what has just happened in your city. i just want you all to know that we are thinking and praying for you. god bless these men and women who are our first responders work fixing the problem and fighting for us. please note that new jersey, new york, minnesota, we are thinking and praying for you. [applause] know, it makes you think about our security challenges. it makes us think about all of our challenges. everybody is thinking about the election now. what i'm spending a lot of my time thinking about is what are we going to do on senior 20, 2017 when we are standing face to face with all of our country's problems. to be honest, when i start running through all the things we need to get done, all the problems that have gone unsolved, you can easily get discouraged.

andok at this dysfunction think to myself, if we have four more years like these last six, to put it mildly, we're not going -- putting ourselves in a position to tackle our nation's biggest problems. we will do everything we can to make things right the medical is and what office. it is exciting to view your minds eye the picture of getting our country back on track. solving our problems. restoring eight, 10 country. i would like to share with you what that picture site. -- what that picture looks like. i would to share what we are trying to achieve. share what we are trying to achieve. we are trying to refer the american idea for a generation. there are a whole lot of people in this country who do not think this is there. they do not think this idea is true for them anymore.

for good reason. years,e past several power has been slipping out of the hands of the people. and into the hands of a very expansionist said the bureaucracy. it happened gradually. as a result, we have high anxiety and national security. economy.owing in the bush years we were focused on the war in terror. thehe obama years, president has focused on the progressive legacy. at this point, it is obvious we need to change our ways. if the american idea is not true for everybody, that is not true at all. that leads to the question, what is that? what is the american idea? where do we come from? that is what i want to talk you about today. when you get down to it, how you answer the question why america is struggling, it depends on how you answer the question, why did

america succeed in the first lease? -- place? we have a lot of natural resources. but those are not necessary. look at israel and japan. we have a diverse population. so does india. why this country? why did we achieve so much more? it is because this country was based on an idea. freedom. our natural rights. not race, class, not minute petty distinctions. countries try to elevate what they considered the best part of the society. the nobility, military or bureaucratic elite. here in america, we decided we could do all we could do to unlock the best in everyone in

every american citizen. that is the meaning of american exceptionalism. that term is not popular these days. some people think it is arrogant or condescending. not think the american people are inherently superior to all other countries, what we are saying is that for whatever reason, it is a true mystery, we were given the opportunity to prove by our example that people from all walks of life can live together in peace. they can collaborate and vote.r and into thebe a peek world. freedom is possible. the condition of your birth is not determined the outcome of your life. life foruild a great yourself if you work hard. you can build a better life for your kids. in other words, to believe in american exceptionalism is to be

grateful for what god has given us. does freedom require government? absolutely. who could succeed in the country where the temple he could steal your stuff? where the law of the land was no more than a passing wind. if you build it, if you grow it, if you work for it, it is your's. you earned it. that is a core principle. it would not be possible without government. without property rights and contracts and the role of law. you know what, nobody appreciates and understand this more than conservatives. nobody is more proud of our founding government documents, the declaration, the constitution, the bill of rights , there is no argument here. government can be a force for good. when it empowers the person. when he gives us the information we need to make our own decisions. when it was more customers for a

price across the world. when it lays down clear and firm rules for all of us to live by. when government does that, it creates a free market where millions of people can buy and trade and work there ways to better luck. we can all attest to the in power of free people working together. this has built the greatest economy the world has ever known. we skeptical of government, of course we are. our tax code should not look like swiss cheese. no loss of ours should run water than were in peace. -- longer than war and peace. to wrinkle and hubbard -- read glenn hubbard, when you

see it in person, the most unlikely places, that is a whole new ballgame. that is when you realize it is not just good policy, this is a moral imperative. yourself, whatk else is america for? if not for the people who want to start over? who could be more american than the person who has been to hell and back? what is the american dream if it is not the search for redemption? i have to tell you, to hear the stories and meet these people, it is an amazing morale boost. i have been discussing our nation's problems with the best policy minds of the years. they are brilliant. great. take it from me, if you're looking for a few words of encouragement, the last person anu should look to is economist. our palms keep multiplying and no one knows the way forward. that's when i started to think, when you are in a gym, it is

good to have a sense of history. what you really need his creativity. how do we take adversity enter into opportunity -- and turn it into opportunity? i tried for four years to get a budget with this government. was i going to happen. -- was not going to happen. the last four years, i've been going around the country and we visited some of the poorest communities in america. i have been to drug clinics. homeless shelters. you know what, i went into wereing all i would see shuttered homes and shattered lives. that is not at all what i saw. dealersaw was the drug had become a drug counselor. the tough guy became a great family man. thinking leader who had become an entrepreneur. i saw the small businesses they created. the support groups they formed. the loving family they rebuilt. i went and exciting to see the worst of america and i came up

realizing i had just seen the best of america. one example, a school in milwaukee, i've given by this puts one million times. -- driven by this place one million times. they hire about a half a dozen and graduates to mentor the next generation. these arenot your -- asked gang. people who have prison records. people who know the streets and have been redeemed. they have the credibility to talk to these kids. don't make the same mistake i made. look what happened to me. they started this program a few years ago. note happened? --you know what happened? suspensions went down. they had 14 gangs and this one high school. now they have none. they had disappeared. the principal tried all these things. more cops. more cameras. only this program works. how fortunate it is to see the

crime rate declined. how encouraging it is to seek graduation rates increase. is reason i love the story because i thought with my own two eyes the american idea come to life in real flesh and blood. here were people who had lost their way finding their way in life. on a dangerous trajectory now on a good path. he was the power of working together. you will not read about them in a fortune magazine or the wall street journal. they may not grow to be reach -- rich or famous. but they are growing up to be free people. outstanding citizens. goodhearted americans. they are applying our free market principles in a distinct way. they are social entrepreneurs. they are the reason i am optimistic. you walk away from your experience thinking, what talent, what drive.

needalk away thinking, we more of them. we need to get them and others back into this economy. it is only when we start chipping away at that 94 million people out of the workforce statistic that we are really going to make a dent in the debt. we need a federal government to work with them, not against them. they are more than eager to do it. they are ready. they cannot wait to get started. if these people can beat their odds, then who on earth would you campaign --complete about ours? -- complain about urs? our policy platform into more than just an ode to positive thinking. we have to have an agenda. elections presidential

is getting tight. i think we have a real opportunity to win a mandate for a unified republican government. that is why the house republicans and i are offering a better way. this is an agenda for we want to pursue with the next president. this is some of the answers we have to some of our country's biggest problems. our whole thinking is that we have these huge problems that are surmountable. let's take our countries principles and apply them to the problems today and offer people real solutions. earn this mandate. win by acclamation. implement these ideas and 2017. in 2017. we are tackling the big problem. national security, the economy. restoring the constitution. health care. tax reform. gop to read the

whole thing. i think we can expand opportunity for all our people. people payingt the highest marginal tax rate is not warren buffett or rogers who deserves the salary he is earning, maybe not last night, it is the single mom making $20,000 with cyclic is. paysu find a job that more, she will lose $.80 on the dollar. is a huge disincentive to work and advance. we call this the poverty trap. the result of having over 80 different federal anti-poverty programs with zero correlation among them. add up all the benefits she will lose and taxes she will pay, it does not make sense to take the job. we are trapping millions of poverty.

our basic approach to fighting poverty to treat the symptoms which perpetuates it. we have to change this. , givee are saying is states the flex ability to innovate and try new things. let states cornet with people who are already fighting poverty on the ground successfully. groups like the salvation army. america works. we need to get the public sector all of theseector, sectors working together and pulling in the same direction. we need to customize welfare benefits to meet a person's particular needs. and always reward work. .emove this trap fix these benefits to help the people get from welfare to work. measure success based on results. that is what we have been doing for 50 years. spent and the same poverty rates.

success is just how much money spent and how many people on progress. let's put that. let's focus on success being measured on whether we are committed people out of poverty. outdated policies are holding everybody back. our whole economy is suffering as a result. if you want to create more good the wejobs, and with have to do, we have to fix this tax code. overseas, where i come from means lake superior, those canadians tax all of their businesses at 15%. the hours are at 12.5%. england is going to 18%. the average industrialized world tax rate on business is 23%. eight out of 10 businesses file their taxes as individuals. highest tax rate on

successful small businesses is 46%. that is the corporate tax rate highest in the world is 35%. this has to change. if we want to start winning jobs and keeping capital here, this code has got to go. we're showing you exactly what we would do. we have common ground on this. first of all, get those rates down across the board. completely simplify the system so that the american family can file their taxes on a postcard. drop that individual rate down to 25%. take the corporate rate to at least 20%. things.nesses right off that will create growth. if you make some money overseas by sony product overseas, let people take that money come any day they want to without a tax consequence so that they do

that. companyoard of a huge who had to repatriate so that they could bring their money overseas and invest in this country. how crazy is this? we are killing growth in this country as a consequence of this. what we are doing is we're showing in black and white what we can achieve in 2017 if we get this right. the tax foundation says this will create 1.7 million new jobs and add 10% growth to the economy. what we are proposing to build ,s not a competitive america but a collaborative america. what we're trying to do is to trade the old top-down bureaucratic 20% to government we have, the one the progressives are fighting to atend and we want to put in bottom-up, organic society for opportunity is real and plentiful.

know, it is only in the collaborative environment of free enterprise that a person ourish.ly fl these are the commonsense ideas we need to take. these are the ideas that will put power back in the hands of the people. the hands of the people who pay the taxes and make this country work. are the ideas that can solve our seemingly insurmountable problems. this is what we think we need to do to restore the american idea. keepe to tell you, if we kicking the can down the road, people are going to give up hope on this country. more and more people, generations worth are going to disbelief that this american idea is there for them. .hat a shame that would be if we put these reports of place, i know we can turn things around. we are in the middle of a pessimistic, vicious cycle. a cynical and awful. it does not take a whole lot to turn this around into an

optimistic virtuous cycle. to feel anxious at a time like this, that is natural. pessimism is a choice. the happy warrior does not shrink from a fight. we accept this challenge with joy. for all of our problems and all of our doubts, i know we can turn things around. we know we need to do to do this. we need to have a government that is capable of doing it. i have faith in this country. there's no one in this country who said i wish my life for empty and meaningless. that is why we should not write anybody off. defined notnt to be by our segment of society, but by our contribution to it. struggling,people it is the rules -- the role makers that have failed us. of the people. none of this is automatic.

the american way of life is always a work in progress. the challenges we face are start. rk.sta this is our calling for this moment. we need to answer this call. all i have to say is, let's get to work. together, high spirits. optimistically. we can rebuild this country. if we get the fundamentals right, we will do it. thank you very much for hearing me out. [applause] >> thank you, speaker rhein. next part of the program will be questions. we have a couple of our selected members who will ask those questions. , dean of columbus graduate school of business. and peter is the vice-chairman lazard.ng of

>> thank you for speaking to us today. i wanted to take you back to cover questions you asked at the beginning, why did america succeed in the first place? as he spoke, the answer to both of those questions is really opportunities for growth. in the past couple of years, he has spent a lot of time talking to the american people about growth. as you go through a better way in your agenda, how would you prioritize policy that would get growth back? speaker ryan: great question. republicanshouse back in october, as one of the weditions i took this job, had to show who we are and what we believe you have to move from an opposition party to a proposition parts. then we thought, what are the things things -- key things we need to get done. growth is core.

there are a few things. tax reform as i mentioned is critical. it is hurting us the most. second if the regulatory state. six planks deal with regulations. you name the sector, you have the regulatory juggernaut that this administration objecting so much uncertainty, so much hesitance in a private economy. the labor department alone, there religion overtime rules. you all know about that frank. frank.nt -- dodd we have shown you what regulatory reform is like. focus on job creation. that we feel strongly about that we think can help improve this climate is we need

to restore self-government. the separation of powers. we have seen this atrophy not just under obama. it's gotten out of control. all of these things that we like laws and rules and regulations that micromanage the economy, we don't vote on these in congress. it is going to affect. we have this fourth branch of government. unelected bureaucrats writing laws. we don't put on these things. what we say, we think that our laws, rules and regulations that are major, they have to come to her caucus. 32 state legislature to this already. we have to make sure that these -- the legislative branch of government writes the lawsuit the executive branch of government, article two, basically executes the lawsuit that is not happening today.

what we are saying is those things have to come to congress for a final vote before going into affect. 32 state legislatures do this. it is not a brand-new idea. helps restore accountability into the government so it can focus on increasing jobs. a massiveng bureaucracy distant from the people. , regulatory reform and the first point, let's focus on getting people out of poverty. let's focus on getting people into the workforce. insing the skills gap focusing on the miserable labor force participation rate. we have millions of able-bodied people looking -- not looking forward. we don't even measure them anymore. you get to go back and the economy. -- people back into the economy. get the tax system under control. we will take off. that takes the fiscal policy off

the current collision course. speaker, you have laid out a compelling vision for the prior tourist with a republican trifecta. chancere some can't -- that may not happen. speaker ryan: i don't want to talk about that. [laughter] >> how would these parties change? --priorities change? additional infrastructure spending. where would you see the errors a bipartisan work if you end up in a divided government? speaker ryan: i'm try to get note justice reform done this session. i think it is very important. we are looking at how we can get that done. we have gotten six bills out of the judiciary committee. that train is on the track. infrastructure, we passed the biggest highway bill the first

time since the 1990's a few months ago. that is already in place. i would suggest that that is occurring now. i think tax reform, you just can't defend the tax code anymore. i fear i have is that the progressives who control the democratic party don't think anything close to this. we offered up switching to a territorial system dumping tens of billions into the highway trust fund it was rejected. i hope that that changes. now, their stated position is they want a worldwide tech system ending deferral. -- tax system ending deferral. there is a golf between our two views. inversions and takeovers, the case for tax reform is indisputable.

we can overcome those ideological barricades that dominate the other side of the aisle. as a partisan thing to say but you know what i'm talking about. on infrastructure, this is not a panacea. i think there is no substitute for economic growth and free enterprise private sector growth. if we have another progressive administration, the regulatory status could to keep going on. the fiscal policy on the tax side is probably the easiest g et. we have been pushing this up the hill for years. .e have wasted eight years i worry that a progressive presidency, it will be just like the rest. you know these numbers better than just about anybody else. we don't start tackling our problems soon, then it is going to tackle as.

you know what the basement looks like. it is number five in our six point plan on health care reform height you deal with these entitlement problems. progressivehow a government would tackle it. i think tax reform is probably the easiest. then my look at the property space in the have to think there is covered -- common ground there. with pat murray a couple months ago, evidence-based policy commission up and running and we want to use objective tools to measure the outcome of policies based on evidence. that should take the politics and ideology out of this. if we can get that on the tracks which we are on the middle of doing, i think we can go down that better. i think there is some space on .elfare reform and poverty

i would love to think that is the case with tax reform. don't know if that will change. >> i want to take you back to the questions of work and opportunity. you characterized the safety net as sometimes be more like a spider web of trapping people rather than cushioning them. in a better way, you did talk a lot about work and opportunity. if you were to look at the list , education and training, personal reemployment accounts, how would you prior tourist -- prioritize those ones and which was with the congress and president picked up first? first? ryan: -- take up ataker ryan: you take a look

all the various welfare benefits. we did the first accounting of .his have been done in years we have about 72 programs spending $800 billion a year fighting poverty. have theseams cliffs thats -- present a disincentive to work. the single mom, my table. she loses 80-90 cents on the dollar taking a step forward to getting a job or getting a raise. itc help smooth out. it is a lump sum at the end of the year. you don't feel in the paycheck. it should be monthly. the easiest way is embedded in the social security system. that is a smart thing. he took at the labor force participation rate, that is looking to the cracks. you have to do with the program

side of this. this is what we want to collapse these programs and send them back to the states. and break up the wealth and monopoly that is administering benefits. and are down on their luck need to have assistance. they go to the local county welfare agency and it is likely to a window and they give you to benefits and then you go another place and get benefits. there is no coronation. you are seen as a college -- coronation. yours -- coordination. in the seen as a cog machine. there are groups in spite of this government imposed poverty track that do wraparound benefits. they perfected this in fort worth. there are lots of groups, there are some here new york that they learned how to focus being is

like a patient navigator for health care. how do you help this person get her life in order, cricket plan and get her from when she is to where she needs to be and always make work pay and customize these benefits? and do it anyway for all -- in a way where all sectors work in the same direction. what we want to do and what we have proposed is to move this back into the states. monopoly up running -- providing services on the ground. a person down on the block has choices for providers who compete for business based on success. let's charities take over the street let the salvation army. let a for profit like american works. measure them based on results and outcomes. the money should go where the success occurs.

it is our case for school choice. that, take all this closing that skills gap, she might have an addiction problem and she may need to get a ged and he might just need a job and skills cheney. you can't do this once asked this all -- do this one-size-fits-all. we believe this is the best way to get back into the pipeline for the people something to the cracks. if you do that, just not only good for them and their lots, you are restoring upper nobility and a sense of achievement and getting people back into the economy. when 10,000 baby boomers are retiring, we need them. 10,000 baby boomers are retiring every day, we need them.

idea.ing the american it is getting faster economic growth. that is our basic approach. i would like to bring it back to the tax front. and give you the opportunity to respond to critics. the tax policy center came out with an analysis of the house republican tax plan that the it would, including p,edback affect from higher gd that the tax plan would increase the deficit and all of the benefits would go to the top 1% with a 1% increase for the middle 20% and 10% for the top 1%. speaker ryan: increasing for

everyone? >> if you give away money, that is what happens. all, i ryan: first of have not seen it. i'm too late with their model. i would look at the tax foundation model was is quite a different thing. when i was chair, we changed the way we do scorekeeping. we have three models. what we are trying to do in congress is to be as close to accurate to reality as we can. it is clear to us that changes personal behavior. we had to ignore that in congress. we had static modeling. policy,n the right tax we are getting to take into consideration how best to does it achieve faster economic growth and job creation.

model take a look at the we are using, we don't have anywhere of that deficit affect. code, two, and this tax when he cut tax rates across the board, you will have that. that has been a case to keep these rates so high that we basically just give these other countries are companies. it out of 10 businesses in america filed a taxes as individuals. their taxes as individuals. from, carme manufacturers compete head-to-head with canadians at 15%. you can sit in treasury and try to be as punitive as you want with people converting. it will not work. they will get bought by foreign companies. when that keeps happening, whether inversions or foreign takeovers, we lose our capital. charitythe executives

netted way campaign. we lose america's dominance. we really believe that you have to convert to a territorial system. you have to get the rates down to their globally competitive. the way we have done that, most of the people who get the loopholes are people at the high end. take away their loopholes, lower our tax rates and let the economy grow and be competitive. analysis youd of going to have what you describe because of the way the tax code is built which is billed for low growth or no growth. that is a criticism that i disagree with. the specifics -- you will have to accept if you want to have a fast-growing economy. that is why say we simultaneously into work on the least among us in getting people from poverty and work. i will take our agenda of opera

mobility, poverty reduction and welfare or along with tax reform against the bernie sanders, hillary clinton ideology of redistribution and socialism. [applause] >> i want to take you back before ways and means. care of the budget committee. deficits and debt. a subject that surfacing much in the campaign. and the unified government you speak of, if we have a tax cut and we increase military spending at the same time which seems likely, i agree that progress aspects are important, but over time, what sort of spending restraint would you whichof with entitlements is where the spending is, to recommend --you would recommend?

speaker ryan: i see these as simultaneous things. i will not get into the way the budget works. i see the things that simultaneous. if you take a look at the health planplan, is a replacement for republican -- a replacement plan for obamacare. that includes entitlement reform. obamacare was an entitlement bill. it was creating a new entitlement, it rewrote the way medicaid and medicare work. the health-care entitlement are the primary drivers of our debt and deficit. up physicalto free space like we do for national like we-- fiscal space do for national defense come here to go to where the money is which is mandatory spending. is that the baseline by 2026, medicare and medicaid and social

security consume 100% of federal revenues? what we're saying is if you programs plus interest takes all the money the federal government raises. every thing we do was borrowed. -- else we do is part. an aberration. boomers are retiring and health care costs. things we agree on. what we believe is we have to attack the entitlement reform itue early because we can do on our own terms of the country. the kind of reforms we are peopleng to not affect -- do not affect people in or near retirement. she lives in wisconsin and summer time for the.

she has been a long time. she organized her life around it. the last thing we want to do is change that. pulled the rug out under the social contract. lycos the same for the people about to retire. -- that goes the same for the people but to retire. you had change these programs. for those of us in the next generation i done, we have to change these programs. if we go soon, we can do it that way where it affect people that are younger. if you keep kicking the can down the road, with boomers going to be retirement column, it will be really ugly and we will not be we are proposing this. i will not go to specifics. have's a specific plan we to save medicare.

at better.gop. it wipes tens of trillions of dollars of liabilities off the books today gets us to balance in the budget so the next generation inherited debt free inherits a debt-free commission -- nation. but the education. -- let's say education. immediatelydo that when we're doing the next budget process. this is not some slogan. we have hard work behind this. it is our plan for january through september of 2017 to get us on path. fight poverty more effectively. replace the affordable care act with patient centered health care and entitlement reform so

we can do all these things. thisast thing i would say, is going to happen good health care reform will happen because obamacare is imploding. lost $600 billion last year, united health care. one., g i met with all the actuaries at blue cross, blue shield. i enjoyed that. the chief x-ray stood up and said, you have to understand, -- actuary stood up and said, you have to understand, obamacare is ailing -- failing two years ahead of schedule. .t is in a death spiral we're going to have to change this thing. it has to happen. 31% of counties in america only have one choice and other third have two.

we have to address it. the only way to address it is to do a much more comprehensive patient centered health care that includes the kind of reforms we have written. that we aren you here and we are ready. we know to do and we are ready to do it. that, it will help our monetary policy. stabilize investment horizons, stabilize the dollar and keep the promise it to our seniors. right now, government is lying to people. it does not have the means of keeping its promises to current seniors if we stick with the status quo. we have to fix that. that is all we have time for. thank you. speaker ryan: thank you.

i appreciate it. [applause] >> president obama delivers remark that the annual united nations general assembly meeting with world leaders. we have live coverage at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. ceo of wellshe fargo takes questions about his companies actions of selling unauthorized banking accounts and credit cards without permission. most part reference today 180 $185 milliont -- settlement. you can watch it live at c-span.org or listen live on the c-span radio app. the smithsonian national museum

of african american history and culture opens its doors to the public for the first time on saturday. c-span will be live starting at 10 a clock a.m. eastern for the outdoor dedication ceremony. speakers include president obama and found a museum director lonnie bunch. michelle obama and george bush and this is george bush -- mrs. laura bush will also be there. john lewis and the smithsonian secretary and chief john roberts will be there. live, saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span, the c-span, the c-span radio app and c-span.org. esk this morning, we're joined by robert rector of the heritage foundation, and olivia golden of the center for law and social policy. we're having a discussion on the new report on poverty in 2015. olivia, we'll start with you. that report showed the largest

single year decline in the poverty rate since 1968. total poverty number of people in the united states in poverty now at 1999 levels. we'll go into the details of that report. but what do you think are the biggest reasons for that drop? guest: the big headlines, as you say, is improvement as a result of the economy reaching across a large swath of americans, the economic recovery. in addition to overall poverty dropping, child poverty dropped, which is something we follow in particular from about 21% to just under 20%, so still one in five kids. so a big reason the economy, the economic recovery is reaching a much larger share of americans. there's also a lot of good yuse in that report about public programs, the accompanying report on health insurance shows big improvements in the share of americans who have health insurance, the number without is down by four million from last year, so that's a big

positive, the contributions of public programs like snap, food assistance, and the earned income tax credit keep people out of poverty. i think the one other topic, which i'm sure we'll get back to, is that while there's been a very important positive impact, there are still big disparities in poverty. so child poverty remains at unacceptablely high levels, young adults, kind of america's next generation, so getting the economic benefits fully to parents and to young children i think is an agenda for maintaining the momentum. it's very good news, though. host: certainly issues we'll discuss during this hour roundtable this morning. but robert rector, you played a key role in crafting the 199 federal welfare reform bill. what do you see as the big drivers of that poverty rate coming down now to 13.5%? guest: well, it's clearly the economy, there's not much change in policy here. but i think we need to put these numbers in context, and

they are very good. i mean, very sharp, one-year drop. but it's a one-year drop following seven years of extremely bad news. and so, overall, for the last eight years, the numbers here have been very bad. and we have -- we actually have a higher poverty rate now than we did before the beginning of the great recession in 2007. that's rather remarkable. to t's a one-year drop, but have a significant change, you have to have drops that occur year after year after year. that rarely has occurred in our system. it only occurred in the 1950's and 1960's, and then it occurred during the period of welfare reform in the boom economy in the 1990's, where, for example, in that period, poverty among single mothers with children dropped eight percentage points over four, five, six years and went down substantially on a structural basis. here we have a one-year drop, but we're actually worse off than we were when barack obama

came into office. host: can you talk about that one-year drop and whether some groups did better than others, urban versus rural or along racial lines? guest: i think it was all really good news, all across the board. i mean, it was great. i'm very happy with that report. but again, one year doesn't make much difference if it's been going up, and actually poverty was rising during much of the obama administration, again, g a lot, but we're worse off now than in 2007 when bush was in office, and that is really due to a very, very mediocre economic performance over the long term. maybe we have a change here, but one year does not a party make. host: well, i want to discuss how we keep this from becoming a one-year blip, but also want to invite our viewers to call in. different phones line,, if you make under $25,000 a year,

phone number is 202-748-8000. if you make $25,000 to $50,000 a year, it's 202-748-8001. $51,000 to $100,000 a year, 202-748-8002. if you make over $100,000 a year, 202-847-8003. if you didn't catch those, we'll keep the numbers up on the screen so you can start calling in. olivia, how do we keep this from becoming a one-year blip? guest: that's a freight question, and i would highlight that it is very -- it's very important that the president broad his policies, but also the broad economy have brought us back from the great depression. i totally agree with robert that going further is now crucial. to keep the momentum going, i would say there are several things we need to do. they're both building on success and going in some additional directions. first, what we've seen over these last years is that a big public program, like food assistance, like the earned

income tax credit, have really done their job, but the private economy has taken a long time to improve the circumstances of low wage workers. and when you look at what's going on for children and their parents right now, it's still about low wage work, both low wages, but also two few hours. you see a lot of people still working part-time who want to be working full-time. o we need both policies that affect things like their scheduling and minimum wage, as is happening in a lot of states and localities. we also need strong investment and good jobs. you'll hear a lot of conversation about infrastructure, for example, which is about that. we need a big investment in child care. that's a big issue right now that affects parents' ability to work and children's ability to succeed. and then we need to focus on some other things, filling in some gaps in the safety net, the earned income tax credit, helps low-income mothers and parents a lot t. doesn't help

adults without kids as much. that's an example. we also focus a lot on affordability of higher education, because right now to get a good job, you need at least some kind of post-secondary credentials. so that's the kind of things we need to do to build on success and keep it going. host: robert rector, agree? guest: not exactly. i think it's important to, fist of all, understand what these numbers say and what they don't say. they're very misleading. these are pre-welfare numbers. the welfare state is not counted here so. if a family receives $12,000 or $14,000 a year in the earned income tax credit, food stamps and so forth, that's not counted as income. last year for families with children, we spent $221 billion on cash, food, and housing for those families. that's twice what is needed to eliminate all poverty in the united states. the census bureau counted only 1/10 of that as income for purposes of poverty. if you accurately count all the benefits that they're getting,

then the poverty rate is cut really by by 2/3. but you rarely ever see those numbers, and we get these confusing pitches like look at how much poverty we've got. we need to spend more on welfare, but then it's not counted, so it can't possibly have any effect. host: i'll give our viewers the numbers. the poverty threshold from the census bureau in 2015, it's $12,000 a year. for two people, $15,000. three people, $19,000 a year. for a family of four, $24,000 a year. and for a family of five, $29,000 a year is the official poverty threshold from the 2015 report. you say those numbers not including a whole lot of things that these individuals are getting. guest: patriot much the whole welfare state is cut out of these numbers. when you add the welfare state in, what we need to do is basically have a system that combines the individuals' efforts to support themselves with a welfare state that complements and reinforces

that. it's the welfare state doesn't do. but if, for example, you take a single mother with two kids who's earning the federal minimum wage, and most mothers earn more than that, but she only gets doesn't do. but if, then from her earnings around $14,000 a year. she's way below the poverlt level, but she also is going to get $7,500 in cash from the tax credit system. she's going to get food stamps. she's going to get medicaid. and when you add all those things together, her income is actually well up over $30,000 a year, even putting the medical assistance aside. she's more than 25% above the poverty level. but that's not reflected in these numbers. host: the argument that poverty is overstated in the united states? guest: this is a very accurate measure, or patriot accurate measure for measuring poverty without welfare, ok? when you count welfare, the actual poverty rate is cut by about 2/3. and the question really for policy is how do we put together a welfare system that

doesn't displace people's efforts to support themselves, but complements those and brings those efforts together with a welfare state to make people better off. host: olivia, and then we'll get to calls. guest: the the census bureau dos calculate with and without, i called the supplemental poverty measure. that shows the same pattern this goes the rate for children from over 19% to about 16% when you count those programs. from one in five to one and six great the children are still the poorest. the overall rate goes up a little bit when you count those programs. if you are going to count benefits people get through the tax system, you also have to count what they pay. even low income workers pay payroll taxes and other things the senses has to do to make it accurate. it isn't true that they hide the information. it is out there. two things i would headline, the first is that i totally agree

with what robert is saying, which is it is a huge success of public policy of the earned income tax credit and nutrition assistance enable a low income mother to both have an incentive to work and to stabilize her family better than she would alone. when i think is not in his example of a mother with a couple of kids working full time is that it is a dream for most single moms to be able to work full-time. be able to pay for childcare care to do that, which is an enormous expense. typically about the same as housing. public programs to support childcare, but they only get to about one in six eligible kids. increasingly low-wage work has problems with being able to work full-time. people get far too few hours. the system helps a lot, but there remain gaps to fix it entirely. host: poverty in the united states is our discussion. olivia golden is with the sector for law and poverty.

robert rector. jesse is in muskegon michigan for those to make under $25,000 a year. thing about poverty has gone down, i don't believe it. just because they have this campaign going on now, i retired in 1979. an hour.ing $9.99 -- nine dollars any five cents an hour. back in 1979. -- $9.95 an hour. back in 1979. this thing about poverty is going down is not true at all. you ask the senior citizens out $600 or $700o live a month. you asked them if poverty has gone down. we had these same comments

last week when these numbers came out. robert rector, this concern that people don't believe the numbers. they are not seeing poverty going down. guest: there clearly are people that are still in hardship. i also would sympathize with what he said among lower skilled workers, wages have really been flat for about four years. that's a real problem. the reality is, when you look at this broad population, where we're seeing around 40 million people are poor, we also have data on what those people alike. the typical household among the senses is identifying is poor as cable tv, has air-conditioning, has a computer, has internet, has an automobile, has a cell phone. if you ask them, were you hungry at any point during the year, 96% of these poor parents will say our children were not hungry

during the year. that's all government data. it doesn't mean that these families are walking on easy street, they are struggling. but they are struggling to pay the cable tv bill and the air-conditioning in the computer bill and the internet bill. and keep their car running and things. it's very different than the normal image we project about poverty. that's very important. if we were to back up to the larger issue, we really have singing since the beginning of the war on poverty is a decline in the americans ability of low-income americans to support themselves above the poverty pressure threshold without reliance on welfare. that's particularly true for families with children. that was lyndon johnson's original goal of the war on poverty was to make families self-sufficient, so they didn't need welfare. we had a complete disaster for 50 years in that regard. host: i will let you respond. income in the united states also

part of this report that was released last week. they put the numbers out there. median household income in 2015 was $56,516 in the year, an increase of 5.2% from the 2014 income. it's the first increase since 2007. maryland's and the district of columbia, have the highest median household incomes. the city with a median household income of about $40,593 a year. guest: i just want to say to jesse that i think two things are true wants. one is that someone more people have been reached by the economy than last year. that's the good news. the second thing, which you are highlighting and is absolutely true is that there's a long way to go. i think your point about wages staying low is particularly important. some local communities and states have been passing a moment wage increases. that needs to happen at the federal level. in addition to wages, as i mentioned earlier, a big problem for struggling families and

individuals is scheduling. example, people getting eight hours this week, 15 hours next week, wanting to work full-time and wanted to put together low-wage jobs, but not getting enough security about their hours to do it. those are big issues we have to address. i think there's lots more to say about the kinds of damage that poverty and low income do. i expect to see that in your daily life. we know a lot from the research now about the consequences, particularly for children, of growing up in families where food is constantly scarce, and people are stressed out about it all the time. warehousing is just overwhelmingly expensive and low income people are moving, they are doubled up, they are evicted, they are sometimes homeless. and where the adults in the family are constantly under stress, try to juggle work and parent their kids. both things are true. there has been improvement, there's a lot further to go. host: let's go to the line for

those making over $100,000 a year. minor in salt lake city, utah. caller: it's only taken me 20 years to speak on c-span. host: thanks for calling. go ahead. you have your time now. caller: it's truly amazing. perhaps to comment that the reason that the poverty -- i has dropped below can't remember what the amount was. because it could have taken eight years of the obama administration to accomplish it. i think i would basically agree with that, that we've had eight years of extremely lackluster performance, and poverty was going up during much of that time. when we were supposed to be in an economic recovery.

if you look over that eight year , it's a very dismal perio d. we had higher poverty today than we did when george bush was president. not much of a recovery when you have that. his is one year of good news. it's counteracted by seven years of particularly bad news. guest: i think i would say the president came into office with the deepest recession since the --at depression, branded it prevented it from turning into a great depression and then worked with and often hostile congress, not only to easily affect of that immediate recession, but also, to accomplish some other things. with the report shows is not only the success in terms of poverty, and other improvements that you can very directly linked to public policy. highlight health insurance. the affordable care act and the

fact that only 9% of americans are now without health insurance. that's the lowest uninsured share ever. intriguingly, the report also looks at how that relates to policy by looking at states that have taken advantage of the full array of opportunities in the aca, the medicaid expansion. advantage have taken of the policy have done better for their citizens in terms of health insurance. you can really see the policy affect in this report. host: it might be a good time to when viewers, what is the center for law and social policy? guest: a nonpartisan anti-policy -- anti-poverty organization. we work at the federal and state level to improve the lives of low-income people. i spent much of my career both leading public programs and working in research on those issues. host: and robert rector at heritage?

guest: heritage foundation is a think tank that promotesguest: free markets and strong values in society. i try and promote a welfare state that promotes work and marriage as the keys to self-sufficiency and well-being. while supporting those things for those that need it. we don't believe in simply endlessly handing out more and we don't think the conventional welfare system is actually helping anyone. those thehe line for make under $25,000 a year, mark is waiting in california. caller: good morning. my hope you bear with me. there isn't one of these problems you are talking about that doesn't exist and couldn't be done without if we just have people in charge are supposedly the ship who showed a national sense of integrity. i've lived under that line you're talking about for most of my life. i'm a veteran that's been betrayed. i've been betrayed by my nation, whether or not the rest of you want to recognize it very you are being betrayed by the two

parties and it doesn't matter how good the person in charge or involved is. as long as they belong to either one of these two parties, they sold us out. and let me say this. for all of you smart intellectual college degree individuals out there. why can you see what i see -- why can't you see what i see? there isn't one of our problems that can be made better by just voting a third party individual and office. because the other two parties sold us out. please, take this message to heart. 40% of your home was out there are veterans. 25 years ago, it was 30%. these two parties couldn't rectify, the people we claim to honor all the time. some of us can't even get paid for our time in service, yet alone -- let alone what happened to us. host: robert, do you want to talk about the policy proposals

of the various presidential candidates and what might be most effective here? guest: i do think one area that's very important, we talked about stagnant wages for those workers. one of the major reasons that we've had stagnant wages for low skilled workers now for decades is the massive influx of low skilled immigrant labor this driven those wages down. in many cases, is driven people out of the labor market altogether. that's a very important issue. if you bring more and more people in who, for example, are immigrants without a high school degree, they compete with the least advantaged, least skilled american workers. wages go down substantially for that group. some of them just leave the labor force entirely. that's a disaster. from's really no gain this. we shouldn't be using the immigration system to push the wages of our least advantaged american workers down. many to turn that around. a policy thatt:

may be the most effective? guest: we are nonpartisan, but i will identify policies from president obama and the state. i would highlight that president obama made a very strong proposal on childcare in 2017 budget, which the congress did not take up, which would've made sure that low income parents could get help paying for child care, which interviewed spoke to children doing better and to parents economic stability. guest: if i could back this up, if you look at child poverty all the way back to 1950, all the way back to the korean war, to the present time, child poverty dropped only during the 1950's and 1960's, they remained constant. it dropped in the 1990's due to a strong economy and welfare reform. for example, the poverty rate among civil parents at that time dropped from around 40% down to 30%. a very dramatic drop. i believe largely because of that welfare reform.

otherwise, all we do is to spend money and basically have welfare replace wages to a considerable degree. what we need to do is -- i think it's a problem that both parties have unlearned the lessons of welfare reform under the clinton presidency. but we had there was a requirement that at least apportion of the single mothers should work in exchange for benefits they got. we had dramatic long-term drops in top -- and poverty. much larger than what we're talking about today. ,hat went on year after year surges in employment. not because we were taking welfare away, but what we were saying in order to get welfare, you have to also take steps to help yourself. well for theally beneficiaries, it works well for the taxpayer, and society in general. both parties have walked away from them. tereus,t's bring in

who's been waiting in fayetteville, new york on that line for those whom it between $51,000 and $100,000 a year. go ahead with your comment. you have to stick by your phone. go to connecticut for the line making under $25,000 a year. good morning. caller: thank you. i make way under $25,000 because i had to go out on social security -- on disability, rather, it is of a back problem that was not diagnosed. struggle, honestly, but in doing better because they know what's wrong with me and i'm getting some therapy for it. but i agree that we need to continue on this progress. stamp, get a single food

and what has helped me is, they program -- qmb program, quality medicare beneficiary program. it doesn't have anything to do with president obama. it was started around the time us, they offered it to since he's been in office. but the medicare program. and very quickly, i don't have to pay my premium every month. and now, they've come out, the state of connecticut has come out with a dental program, it's the first offered under medicare , in fact, dental is very important to me because i need a lot of dental work.

like 61 credits towards a bachelor's degree now that i'm getting help for my back. i will be able to have the care. chair -- dental i can do something to supplement my income and finish my degree. honestly, you need to do something in this country. i follow politics every day, and then i agree with the lady that -- she says she's nonpartisan. something --o these other republicans, they keep using redistribution of wealth, and they are not for any programs that will help people. host: i wanted olivia golden, you're shaking your head during

the qnb program. -- qmb. guest: thank you for your comment and your commitment to going back to school and returning to work. i wanted to comment that the importance of health care and access to health care in order to be able to work is a really central lesson from the research. of the reasonse that the affordable care act and the medicaid program matters so much. i want to underline that. i wanted to take a moment to link them back to the point that the conversation of moment ago about one specific welfare program, called tanis, temporary assistance for needy families. when people talk about welfare reform, that's what they mean. i implement to that program in the clinton administration and then studied it. i would say is that unfortunately, when you look today, it is barely exists. it has not been successful in the way to the supplemental nutrition assistance program, medicaid, and the earned income tax credit have been.

and that's for a bunch of reasons. one big one is that it was a cap dollar amount at the beginning. i the beginning, it did what was saying, it provided more money for child care assistance, spendoney for states to on work support. now, states aren't spending it on any of those things, they're balancing other parts of their budget to a large degree. it has other challenges in it too. theuld just highlight that evidence we have from researchers fits very much what you just said, that for families to succeed, they need health, nutrition support, they need to stabilize their lives. and then he jobs that offer them decent wages and hours. olivia golden was the assistant secretary for children and families of the u.s. department of health and human services from 1993 to 2001. guest: two different roles during that time. guest: if i can of his eyes at heritage foundation is also a nonpartisan organization, but it very interesting. if you go back all the way to

1970, the only time in which child poverty actually fell in a substantial way, particularly poverty for parents with during welfare reform. but that's rated a failure. that's a failure. it's the only time when poverty substantially goes down in a drops from around 40% for single moms down to 30%. and that's because the welfare recipients were required to work in exchange for the benefits, work increased, and poverty went down as a result of that. 90% of the american public believes that able-bodied , food,uals who get cash housing from the government ought to be required to work with prepare for work as a condition for getting that aid. int of the welfare state which we spend $1 trillion in year does not have that type of work requirements. in fact, it discourages work. and that's what we can spend and spend and spend on these systems and things don't get better. host: 25 minutes left, a lot of

folks going to chat. olivia golden, i will give you john in greenbelt, maryland on the line for those who make over $100,000 a year. i'm calling in response to the veteran living in poverty. i like to thank him for his service. from the opposite end, and highly educated with a phd in physics, and i just over $100,000 a year. i completely agree that both parties can't solve the problems or choose not to. and a sold out the working class, which is why you have obama and ryan in the establishment vote that's trying to push the transpacific partnership. and all these things that are going to help the working class. third-party is the way to go. guest: thank you, john. i'm not credit, and, we are a nonpartisan organization. but i just want to pull out one other comment, one element of your comment which was your phd in the higher education that you said is contributing to security. one of the interesting things there is ak at is

very broad research agreement at a bipartisan agreement that to get a good job today, you need at least a credential beyond high school. you need at least a community college credential recognized by employers. but there are enormous -- another way that poverty holds people back is that low income young people and adults going back to school face enormous barriers and being able to afford school. not just tuition, but also more than half of people in school, in secondary education today our independence, trying to pay for themselves, often raise kids. we think that part of the solution is also making it more affordable for people to get that education and improve their own circumstances. host: the caller brings up paul onn, programming note c-span, speaker paul ryan will be at the economic club of new york speaking today at 12:30, talking about how to create

opportunities for the next generation in that speech. will be carrying that live here on c-span if you want to watch. robert rector, i give you michael in maryland for the line that makes between $25,000 to $50,000 a year. caller: thank you for c-span. i agree with the and lady. the thing about it is elections have consequences. when obama took over, he's been he triedn everything to do to make this better. republicans denied and every thing they did, they attached crazy stuff to it, it's been one big waste of time. but then to turn around and talk about how bad things are, they did nothing. absolutely nothing to further the cause. ,his man was the winner, he won and i understand how politics go. theirs, but when you see a party that's done

nothing, absolutely nothing to help the conditions, and then have the nerve to turn around and talk about how things are? we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month. host: we got your point. robert rector, which was great? -- would you agree? guest: i don't want to be for the republican party, which is done badly by abandoning the principles of reform it, but if you go back to 1970 when richard nixon was president, the only time when poverty actually dropped was right after the welfare reform passed by a republican congress and signed by bill clinton, and now as a bad by ms. golden policy. all these other policies simply spent more money and created more dependence by essentially displacing work and marriage and replacing it with welfare. and that's why poverty didn't go down, it's weisel's efficiency

and the ability of families to support themselves without reliance on welfare has asked a gotten a lot worse since we started the war on poverty. a generoushave system. and let me emphasize if someone is making even the minimum wage in the united states, we come in to a parent like that and offer at least $10,000 in additional benefits through the earned income tax credit, through food stamps, to supplement their wages, so they will not be in hardship. i'm willing to say that's a good choice. but we shouldn't beginning people simply handouts without requiring if it's an able-bodied recipient, without requiring them to engage in constructive behavior to make themselves more self-sufficient. when we do that, when we require work or preparation for work, in fact, poverty goes down and the well-being of the families and children go up three

unfortunately, the left in the united states oppose welfare reform under bill clinton, and they continue to wish to essentially run a work free welfare system that simply costs more and more money without actually benefiting the poor. because a family sitting alone, living on welfare check is going to be poor, and has multiple factors that push it towards the social margins. not a good policy. something that i think is not accurate, what robert said, back to the caller. low income families today are working at very high levels. about 70% of children in ---income families live with 70% of children in for families -- in poor families, live with someone who is working. extraordinary levels of work for mothers and their children in early years of life. wages areely, because too low and because of the

insecurity of hours, many of those parents can't make ends meet. programs likelic snap and food assistance and medicaid in health insurance, you heard how important health was, like the earned income tax credit support work. all of the research suggests that what they do is help people stabilize their lives, so that they are able to work and to move up. unfortunately, there are some exceptions to that. in the program the roberts talking about has unfortunately shrunk so much in its value that it isn't really helping people in the same way it needs to. overall, the issue isn't that people aren't working. they are working. isn't that they don't want to work. it's that full-time work at decent wages that can support a family is hard to come by. guest: we have a paradox. if all of these families are working, then they have enough from work and welfare to be above the poverty line.

and even if you are making just the minimum wage. there's a contradiction there. guest: typically, it is hours of work. host: we can go back and forth, but a few tweets on highlight. viewers are having this conversation on twitter, @cspanwj. marie says every taxpayer is overburdened with having to support the increased number of non-workers, and they said i thought welfare was supposed to be for a set amount of time, now generational. if you want to join the conversation, it happens every day, @cspanwj. cat is waiting to join the conversation on our program. in los angeles, california for those you make between $51,000 and $100,000 a year. go ahead. caller: this is an interesting conversation. homelessness was 9300 and los angeles, in 2013. now in 2016, it's over 14,000

homelessness. in los angeles, the area where i live, you see increased homelessness and the houses go just a few blocks away, for $800,000. can you imagine having homelessness in an area where the houses go for over $800,000? you see women, black women, panhandling out. this was never before seen. citys angeles, it's one that's the mac up for illegal immigration. and we never discuss the interrelatedness, the interconnectedness between illegal immigration and its impact on the economics and the labor force. particularly black america. these policies coming out of d.c. for the last 30, 40, 50 years are not working. because our citizens should not be homeless.

i sort of want to piggyback on what the veteran said. i don't agree with the two callers that said obama is doing a good thing and the policies should be better -- no. the system is not working. for american citizens. host: you are not in your head for part of that. -- nodding your head for part of that. guest: one out of 10 of these children are the child's -- children of illegal immigrants. they all get welfare benefits. and importantly, the surge of a limo -- illegal immigrants. we have 7 million illegal immigrants employed in this country. roughly half of them do not have a high school degree. i absolutely agree that the coming intoigrants compete with the least skilled, lisa vanished american workers has driven down wages