then, we talk about the recent police involved shootings in north carolina and oklahoma. and the debate over police tactics. ♪ host: good morning on this friday, september 23. lawmakers are not in session today, they have gone back to their home districts all a deal to continue funding the government passed this month deadline is hammered out. outside the capital, many eyes on the city of charlotte as protesters largely peaceful, unlike the first two nights, came to the streets last night to demonstrate against the fatal shooting by police of keith scott. in. , the police officer -- in. , the police officer who shot a

man was charged with felony manslaughter. we want to get your thoughts on police shootings and race relations come if you live in the eastern central part of the city call 202-748-8000. the mountain pacific area 202-748-8001. a third line this morning for .aw enforcement, 202-748-8002 orto twitter at @cspanwj facebook.com/c-span. start filing in. -- filing -- dialing in. the associated press report demonstrators were chanting release the tape and we want the tape all briefly blocking an intersection and later climbing the steps in front of the city government center. it was mostly peaceful. police have resisted releasing police camera footage of the

death of 43-year-old keith lamont scott earlier this week. his family was shown the footage thursday and demanded police release it to the public. he couldy lawyer said not tell whether scott was holding a gun. the charlotte mecklenburg police chief said earlier that releasing the footage of the killing could undermine the investigation. he told reporters the media will be made public when he believes there is a compelling reason to do so. you should not expect it to be released said the police, i will not jeopardize the investigation. yesterday in washington, the attorney general went before reporters and she spoke personally to the people of north carolina, her home state. this is what she had to say. oflet me say to the people north carolina, a beautiful state, my home state, i know

these are difficult times and the events of recent days are painfully unclear and they call out for answers. but i also know that the answer will not be found in the violence of recent days. let us all seek a peaceful way forward. most of the demonstrators gathered last night were exercising their constitutional and protective rights to peaceful protest in order to raise issues and to create change. we need your voice. we need your passion. we need your commitment. i urge those responsible for bringing violence to these demonstrations to stop because you are drowning out the voices of commitment and change and ushering in more tragedy and grief in our community. the tragic events in charlotte and in oklahoma earlier this week have underscored the divisions that persist between law enforcement officers and the communities we serve, particularly communities of color. one of my top priorities has been to do everything in my

power to help heal those divides and the department of justice will continue working tirelessly to protect the rights of all americans to give law enforcement the resources they need to do their job safely and fairly. to open dialogue, to promote reconciliation, and reduce violence of all kind in this country. host: that was the attorney general yesterday in washington before a third night of protesting in charlotte where it was largely peaceful. there was a curfew put in place, many protesters staying past the curfew and police letting them do so. we are asking you to give us your reaction, what do you think washington can do, if anything, or what is the role of the state and local officials? police shootings and race in the nine states. bob in wisconsin, good morning. believe if they black people in america would stop thinking they do not have

to obey the police it would work out a lot better for everybody. i noticed that when an officer tells you to hold, they should hold. the man kept walking and disregarding the law. like he was above it. i am sad he was killed and she will be punished. i can see the arrogance and a lot of blacks who think they do not have to obey the law. host: you do not see that arrogance and white people? caller: you are dam right but we are talking black right now. if they were white protesters, i would tell you the same, i am against the kk and skinheads. --kkk and skinheads. i am a veteran. i think they are arrogant and they are turning my opinion against them because of their violent. in the 1960's, i came home on leave and they were rioting

against the vietnam war. dude fromstop a breaking a window and i was going to bust his head. i am more of a passive vista now. -- pacifist now. to burn an need innocent store, the man is trying to make a living, why burn a car> ?i am turning my opinion against the black people in this country for their violence and i praise martin luther king. host: do you recognize that not all the african-americans protesting -- caller: of course, we know that in america, there is bad white, brown, and black. we are talking about the writers. -- rioters. that is what i am focusing on, the black rioters.

they are not african-american, they were born here. host: i will get in other voices. salem, oregon, ron. caller: i have been born in los angeles around the blacks and hispanics. and were more blacks hispanics van whites. -- than whites. i did not own any slaves. i grandparents did not own slaves. they are out there to start problems. they have nothing better to do. they are wonderful and furious -- imperialist obama has started half this crap. people need to grow up and read their bibles and respect one another. marker -- it is anarchy and who will protect us?

host: listen to the voice of the congressional black caucus members. they march to the department of justice yesterday and this is what they -- one of their leaders had to say about the recent police shootings. this is congressman butterfield. >> the congressional black caucus is outraged with the dozens of unlawful police shootings that are taking place all across america involving unarmed, innocent african-american citizens. if we were to identify each of these, it would consume this entire press conference. there are dozens of unlawful shootings of unarmed african-americans. enough is enough. one is too many. tensions are high in communities of color, state and federal authorities must intervene to guarantee a solution.

the federal government, including the executive branch and the legislative branch, must a stable weight of the federal government behind the elimination of unlawful police shootings. there must be a national standard regarding the use of lethal force, body cameras and other technology must be required to depict the events surrounding a police encounter. we must have better training for police officers and identify and remove those officers with a propensity to overreact in situations. justicedepartment of must aggressively pursue investigations, indictments, and prosecution against any and all law enforcement officers who harm or kill innocent, unarmed african-american citizens. host: those were the request of the congressional black caucus. do you agree or disagree with that? we are getting responses to

police shootings and race relations. to raleigh, north carolina. do youod morning, what think about what is happening in your state? caller: i believe that the black caucus is right. a lot of people do not know and understand what is going on because there are two federal rules. woman, i get shackled and thrown down on the floor and i was not doing nothing at all. i do believe some of these people, they talk about get over not about that, it is about the color of your skin, we are treated different from a lot of white people. i have been in cars with white people, they do not get approached by black people. i have friends that are quite, they think it is funny because of the fact that i get treated

differently than what they do. they say, i would not tolerate that. obey whatact that we they say, they still treat us harshly. as far as president obama, people blame him, no, there is a lot of racism, especially since donald trump got into this presidential election. he has been -- there has been more racial tones than ever. people just do not understand that. host: let me ask you about the violence in charlotte by some of the protesters on tuesday and wednesday night. what did you think -- what was your reaction to seeing the community burned and windows smashed? caller: i do not condone violence.

but i understand the violence. i do not condone it. i understand peaceful protesting, i understand the way martin luther king would have done it. i understand leaders getting out there and saying and protesting and sitting down. there has been a policy put up before paul ryan and he will not look at the policy. host: what are you talking about, the criminal justice reform? caller: yes. up,: since you brought that let me remind our viewers what you are talking about. websitea piece on nbc's that no criminal justice reform from congress before the election. leanne caldwell reports in a huge disappointment to advocates, legislation to reform components of the criminal justice system will not come before the house this month as

previously planned. the houses lack of action means opportunities are quickly dwindling on an issue that advocates had high hopes of passing this year. all ryan had said earlier this year they plan to bring up criminal justice reform bills in september during the small window that congress is in washington. that timing has proven difficult -- with the election -- risk lawmakers are reluctant to take a difficult vote. james in arizona, good morning. excuse me, arkansas, you are on the air. -- theymy question is have enough officers with mental problems, they are bipolar, shootings begin, they have too many of these people that have

been taken off the street that has been to a mental institution and they do not know how to act. i know of two that ain't supposed to be caring no guns or no weapons. i am a u.s. veteran. i am a white person. i have been chased by law enforcement. host: ok, james. florida, good morning, what are your thoughts this week with the recently shootings? caller: about the violence in north carolina -- they got what they asked for when they release the videos. people talking about the blacks doing this and that, and black lives matter come if you look at the protesters, they were of

mixed race. you had white guys and the black people. all different races of people. you have these old people talking this foolishness about slavery like it never happened. the younger generation go to --ool and understand your the younger generation go to school and understand. they want to get on tv and say donald trump -- look how black folks are acting, none of the white people. all of the protesters were met -- mixed. oklahomaid into also, sa, oklahoma, what you think about the police officer being charged with a felony? caller: i agree with it. progress in tulsa has

to do with religious leaders and law enforcement. the charges seem legitimate based on the tape. we need to learn all the facts about the case. it will go to court at some level. i think as much attention needs to be focused on. , and why it has prayed and then nonviolent as opposed to charlotte being violent. one of the competitors have an article on why charlotte exploded and why tulsa prayed. a lot of the goes to our religious leaders. -- a lot of credit goes to our religious leaders. ls, for viewers who have not seen what is happening in

also -- tulsa, what was happening? caller: people have gone to church to pray and religious leaders have called them to churches to pray. and to speakolent with a voice of reason. i think it has been effective. stillis a segregated city in 2016. it is the home of one of the worst race riots in american history in 1921. there is racial tension but our religious leaders of all races and stepped up to the plate come to the church and we will deal with it in church. the tension has subsided to an extent, it is still there but it has not shown its face in the sense of violence. , i cannotou think

recall when the video was first released of the police officer but do you think if that video had not been released by the police that it would be a different situation? caller: i think it is possible. i think that is very possible because the video was released immediately. it is not a pretty sight. hern is walking away from and his hands are up. we are able to hear what she is ordering him to do. stop and heshe said did not stop and he got to the car. from my perspective as an amateur, that would've been a good time to taste him -- taze him. it took a long time for first responders to arrive with medical assistance.

i think the video being released quickly and people of all races saying, that does not look good. something is not right about this. the fact that they did charge her with first-degree manslaughter and there will be a trial. she will receive a trial by her peers. in a court of law. host: by comparison, the washington post is this about charlotte, that little information about the shooting forthcoming, questions persist in the south's second-biggest city which is more than 827,000 residents, a third of whom are black. police made 44 arrests as of thursday, a protester who was critically injured wednesday during a clash between protesters and police died. tulsa, an unarmed black motors was fatally shot, a white female police officer was charged with first-degree manslaughter.

don in california. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. this is don and i am calling again to tell these blacks, hispanics, and native americans that they are the real jews of the bible and that this whole race riot is not going to get any better because the lord said he would bring the wrath acrimony israelites which are the real jews of the bible and the powers that be know who we are, that we are not africans. they know we are the real jews of the bible and they are trying to keep that information from us. the way they are doing that, all the laws of the bible which say that they are supposed to treat us differently then they do but

they are keeping us down. host: we got your point. matthew in vancouver, washington. caller: thank you for taking my call, i appreciate the call because it is honest and allows the voice of the people. in a democratic society, when the system or the government becomes authoritarian, the people are supposed to enforce that and we are kind of the law. a lot of the media is propaganda owned by very wealthy people and it is funny that this happens all the time in the swing states and comes up after a bunch of stuff is happening about hillary clinton who is one of the democraticple -- society is pushing for -- not all democrats but some democrats are pushing for these rights -- civil rights like a gay marriage and black lives and the border crossing of mexicans. a lot of this is being pushed to

try to win votes. host: what is being pushed? caller: social rights. up andthese agendas come they are agendas we have dealt with many times in the past. they are coming up again right after the income inequality thing once they got focus off of that quick. when events like this happen, i question what are they trying to get the minds of americans off of. i think we need to take a close look at events like this when they happen and keep our eyes open and our cell phone cameras going in that pic every detail to find what is really going on and if there is someone behind this. i am not saying the event did not happen, i am saying the media, not you guys come up because i love your show and it is open to all sides, some of the media is biased for which party they want voted in. bring up whato

they want out of events that had been happening that they did not report for. -- did not report before. host: the new york times notes that the police shooting is magnified in the swing state, as the caller said, north carolina is a battleground state for donald trump and hillary clinton . politico has this headline, donald trump muddles his message to black voters, a racially divisive campaign delivers to few details about a law and order stand come his white bass cheers.

host: here is the republican nominee in pittsburgh yesterday. our country looks bad to the world, especially when we are supposed to be the world's leader. how can we need when we cannot even control our own cities -- how can we lead when we cannot control our own cities? there is no right to engage in violent disruption. or to threaten the public safety and peace of others. every american in our country is entitled to live in a safe community. the violence against our citizens and our law enforcement

must be brought to a very rapid and -- rapid end. the people that will suffer the most of -- about the riots are law-abiding african-american residents who live in these communities where the crime is so rampant. it is their jobs, housing markets, schools, economic conditions that will suffer. the first duty of government is to protect their well-being and safety, we have to do that. there is no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct. host: that was donald trump yesterday in pittsburgh during a campaign stop. hillary clinton reacting to what happened in north carolina and tulsa on wednesday saying whatever the circumstances, too many people are dead who should not be. let's hear from clyde in san

antonio. caller: hello. threed like to address aspects of the problems we see emanating from the police department. number 1 -- our form of government and throughout the world, doesn't matter whether republican, democrat, islamic republic, they are a machiavellian type governments, the rule from the top and the use the people below them to create animosity and they use those people to control other folks. concerned,olice are a lot of the people come out of the military. probably already having experienced ptsd or having determined that i am the good guy and who is the bad guy? the bad guy happens to be in guy happens to be in

this country people of color. these police officers should be psychologically evaluated at seet every year or two to how they have suffered from being exposed to the violence that occursdletting on streets because chances are they are suffering from ptsd. if we want to, as ordinary citizens, gain control of the army, which is the police department, and the government, which is machiavellian, we have to learn that we are being used toways that are detrimental the population in general. and we need to pay close attention to who we elect, especially if we want to talk about the police department. attorney's,rict

office, the sheriff's department, we need to get control because, my white brothers and sisters, if you want to call yourself quite, you will be put upon just like the people of color. host: i got to get in other voices. blake in mississippi. caller: hello. america, i want to say one thing, i am a veteran and african-american. from what i see in this country, from the civil war on, we were 85% of the economy. you have the great scott decision, the supreme court, i think the united states pressing us -- oh pressing us, they , youd give us reparations have the cia putting drugs in our communities to finance the industrythe prison

that is competing with the state and therefore you get less justice. you have a whole system designed to oppress african-americans. has loved for quite privilege. -- white privilege. chris rock said most white americans would not want to be him and he is a multimillionaire. hercaller earlierchris rock sad friends laugh at her because that is the benefit of being quite come you will not get pulled over and beat not. -- beaten up. country, it was not immigrants, it was african-americans. to your point about the

role about african-americans that they played in this country , the story of black america is going to be unveiled at a new museum on the washington mall, the smithsonian its grand opening is this saturday and we will have coverage on c-span, c-span.org and c-span radio app as well. the washington times has a little bit about artifacts that are in the new museum. $540ighly anticipated million museum will open to the general public and officials expect 20,000 visitors for the opening weekend event. president obama will headline the dedication ceremony at 10:00 a.m. first lady michelle obama and bush, president george w. civil rights icon and congressman john lewis, will join other visitors from across

the country for the celebration. museum willthsonian likely be the last to take up residence on the mall. about want to read more what is inside the museum, go to the washington times' website. also, front-page news, the new york times, story about yahoo!, hackers plundered data on 500 million accounts. thatew york times reports yahoo! announced thursday the account information of at least 500 million users was stolen by hackers to years ago and the biggest known intrusion of a computer network. names, e-mails, telephone numbers, birth dates, passwords and in some cases security questions was compromised in 2014 and what was believed was ace -- believed was a

state-sponsored actor. two years after the fact, offered a glimpse at the complicated mysterious world of the underground web. we are going to ask for your thoughts on the last hour of washington journal, especially those of you who had your accounts hacked. told you that congress is working on a continuing resolution that would fund the government and a short-term temporary way past the september 30th deadline, when the fiscal year ends and a new fiscal year starts on october 1. saysstreet journal republicans and democrats in the second agreed on $1.1 billion in funding to combat the zika virus as part of a stopgap spending bill to keep the government running beyond next friday. they were divided to include assistance for flint.

democrats said they were not ready to sign onto the bill that included flint, but does not address the drinking water crisis in flint. spends timehe house on before its recess. these of the final days of the pre-election congress, the last chance to make an impression. busy.s are trying to keep what have they been doing? peddling pamphlets? that is what the new york times said. perhaps you have heard of it, a pamphlet that he puts it has to

jacket and pulls out when he is ready. in -- member said that sit in? democrats have greeted the threat and punishment was all the false forward at the briarpatch. that is what congress was up to before this week before they leave when enough funding bill. there was an effort to impeach the irs commissioner and recovered that here on c-span. you can watch it on our website. on the houset judiciary committee said it is a dangerous rush to impeach him. republicans have yet to produce any evidence of his wrongdoing. jim jordan is our guest on newsmakers this week, he is the chair of the freedom congress --

caucus and he pushed for the impeachment hearings. you can watch that at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern time. we also asked him about the events in charlotte and prospects for -- he is a member of the judiciary committee which will consider the legislation and here's what he had to say. [video clip] whony elected official starts on the premise, the vast majority of cases, law enforcement do an outstanding job protecting and helping the committees they serve and put their lives on the line. we should start from that premise. we should always get to the truth and that the system worth -- that the system worked and find out what has happened and hopefully not have this violence we have seen in charlotte and other places around our country in the last two years.

it is always best for public officials to take that posture and say those kinds of words. that can help. that is certainly what we have done and what most elected officials have been. -- do youjudiciary see that happening? >> probably not. it is something that has real merit. there are positives with it. there is also concerns. if you are going to let people out of prison early, we better make sure they are not violent people. that is something that american people understand. let's do it right. and maybe be difficult to get that number for the election. maybe that will be brought up the next congress. host: that was jim jordan, republican from ohio, chair of the freedom caucus conservative group of members. he is our guest on newsmakers

this sunday at 10:00 a.m./6:00 p.m., c-span, c-span radio and c-span.org. back to our conversation about the police shootings and race relations in this country. after the fatal shooting in charlotte and tulsa, oklahoma as well, the protesters were in charlotte for a third night, mostly peaceful, but many chanting "release the tape." they want to see the dashcam of the fatal shooting. the new york times editorial board are saying police the charlotte police video. elected officials who have paid any attention to the killings of civilians that have broiled recent cities should understand that keeping the people in the dark heightens tension and undermines. trust and law enforcement -- undermines trust in law enforcement. would you think, matthew? caller: good morning, greta.

i have a question. i am a middle-aged white guy, right? i am thinking to myself, why don't we flip the script here. what if we had a huge police presence in a lot of white suburbs, and some white kid getsng down the street accosted by police and killed? how many times do you think that would occur before there would be a huge uproar within the white community? peopleeople, these poor had shown such great restraint. i never believed a lot of the hype i used to read in the papers, here on the news, but then all of a sudden, you got the technology that shows what has been happening is for real. i am amazed at the restraint these people have shown. i mean, a protest?

give me a break. if i was them, i know for a fact, white people would not stand for having their kid shot in the street. there would be all kinds of mayhem. host: matthew, the washington post this morning, the number of fatal police shootings on pace to remain unchanged from 2015. charlotte sparked by the fatal -- it has made the latest epicenter on the ongoing. debate about police use deadly force. the issue from into the national consciousness, the pace of deadly shootings remains unchanged. police in the u.s. are on course to shoot as many people this year as they did last year when officers shot nearly 1000 civilians. officers have shot at least 106 people they share, that includes keith scott, alton sterling and philando castile in minnesota

whose name became a hashtag. the recent death of scott killed by a charlotte police officer and terence crutcher killed in tulsa, created a tense moment in policing since a bloody three-day span in july in louisiana, minnesota, texas. john, in florida. good morning to you. go ahead. caller: ok. in saying, he was disobey orders by walking. he was obeying orders. his hands were up. they want to see what they want to see if her see what they want to. his hands were up. as soon as he put his hands on his vehicle, he was tasered and shot. womaner this 1 -- a white

, policemen were trying to stop her three years ago or so. the police tried to stop her and got angry at her. they pulled her out of the car, she was resisting. white people created enough for -- created an uproar. there was no investigation. he was fired within the same week. if this happens to blacks, with in -- s media, it is put when it happens to whites, it is worded differently. [indiscernible] blacks are not talking about slavery. think about it. oklahoma was bombed.

ok. they were bombed. let's talk about the 1960's. blacks are fighting for the rights. white restrooms, black restrooms. blacks continually go through disparity. [indiscernible] we get treated differently because of the colored of our skin. host: i want to take more about our coverage on c-span is a week. we have been bringing in speeches from world leaders at the united nations general assembly. yesterday, peter baker reporting on the speech by the israeli and palestinian leaders, and how the conflict played out in their speeches. you can go to our website, www.c-span.org if you want to listen to those. also, in washington, the

washington times reports about the house investigative committee yesterday, boating to hold hillary clinton's chief tech staffer in contempt of congress after brian pagliaro failed for a second time to show up and testify about the secret e-mails of his former boss. our cameras were there, so if you want to watch all of that, they recessed, came back, and voted on this contempt of congress. you can find it on our website, www.c-span.org. let's go to make an apostle, texas. in texas. to nick caller: good morning, greta. i was watching all the protests, but then the protests got out of hand and became a right and anarchy, and setting fires. that is not a protest. some of the people they

arrested were from out of state. i don't know why charlotte will not release the video. i heard the police chief last night kind of backtrack on what he said and said, yeah, there was a gun and now he is saying, oh no, i don't know why they cannot release a video. we are playing politics in north carolina because it is a string state. host: ok. reese in utah, your thoughts, good morning. caller: good morning, greta. how are you doing? ok, i just want to talk about in the whole sense of --i'm african-american myself. i just want to kind of silly quick story about driving in my neighborhood. it was a bad day for me. i was late for work. when the police pulled the over,

i got out of the car because i was angry. calmly andtalk to me resolve the situation. not all police are out to get you because you are black. but to act as if some people do that these police shootings are not -- and one thing that bothers me about the shootings is not necessarily the fact that was a person a criminal are not a criminal, white or black? use discretion. some of these police are not theg discretion and because jury is being afraid to prosecute them, only 20% of police are prosecuted for when they commit crimes. 13 since 2005 has been prosecuted. incidencese these when these police used discretion to shoot, there is no ramifications from the criminal justice system, it is a problem.

we can talk about someone who was killed in a raid. they said the grandmother grabbed the gun and the grandmother never grabbed a gun. charges were dropped, each charge dropped. a lot of people are like, we are waiting for a convention. my opinion is that until we really get reform that says of a personshooting that is obviously unarmed or subdued is a problem. we are not going to get that until we have an honest discussion. we have seen police case a white boy until he went into cardiac arrest. we are not looking at this and even sense of discretion of force. host: i will leave it there before we move on to our next guest. front page of the wall street journal has a story of hillary

clinton on the state tax. she wants to let the on the largest estates and make it harder for wealthy people to pass appreciated assets onto irs without paying taxes. this is according to the nonpartisan committee for responsible federal budget which advocates fiscal restraint. jill stein politics, who is a great party nominee for president of the united states is writing and the usa opinion pages on my she should be at the is onlysaying she candidate that does not take corporate donations and to represent the people. that is one argument she makes. two is enough.

with more people on the stage, the answers get shorter and the questions get fewer, or both. we will have coverage of the first presidential debate monday night. we will take your calls at 7:30 p.m. eastern time on c-span, c-span.org, and c-span radio app. we will be taking your phone calls after the debate as well. let us know what you think on monday night, first presidential debate. we are taking a short break. when we come back, we will continue our conversation about what is happening in north carolina with republican congressman mark walker. we will talk about the upcoming deadline to fund the government. later on, michele jawando, criminal justice expert at the center for american progress will talk about race in the criminal justice in the wake of the shootings. of michigan took time on the house for yesterday to talk about bullying and suicide

in this country. [video clip] a week and a half ago, i was in kalamazoo's bronson park for the suicide prevention walk. a beautiful young woman stood before a crowd of more than 100 and read a stirring poem which i will inserted to the record. she had written about being bullied and she harbored thoughts of suicide. hearing her personal story certainly broke everyone's heart. it really did. of two youngr kids, to young adults, my thoughts quickly turned to them in their school experience. bullying is a very serious problem in our schools can lead to depression, psychological issues, and of course, suicide. , i followed uped with her, and told her she is not alone.

anyone considering suicide or having suicidal thoughts should know the same. you are not alone. and there is always help and options available. and our communities, we have to do more to stop bullying the minute it rears its ugly head. we should do more to reach out to those, to suicidal thoughts and tendencies, especially young people, as they grapple with depression as a are growing up. we should do more to treat mental health issues that can lead to suicide. we recentlyhouse, were able to pass a very strong bipartisan piece of legislation sponsored by dr. tim murphy, a member of a committee to do just that. to give an upgrade to the mental health system and deliver real reforms that are going to make a difference for folks suffering from mental health illnesses. 53-0.y,

on the house floor, by a landmark vote, it marks the most significant reform to our nation's mental health program in decades. and i was proud to shepherd this important piece of legislation, and now work with the senate to get it done. suicide prevention is deeply personal to me. about it often, but my uncle, my daughter's college dearate, my son's girlfriend's suicide, -- girlfriend's ultimate suicide. it is not a situation that can linger to -- situation that can linger in the shadows. we have to confront it together. >> washington journal continues. host: at our table, congressman

mark walker, republican of north carolina sits on the homeland security committee and represents the greensboro area close to some of your -- close to the charlotte area. i want to start with your reaction of what is happening in your state. guest: it is a tragic state of evidence. our hard goes out to these families -- it is a tragic state of events. our heart goes out to these families. that is where we have to start, making sure that we understand the heart ache and suffering these families go through. first of all, my heart goes out to the families. some of the things that are going on in the home state makes me sad right now. host: what about it? what makes you sad? what you think it does for the state? what is the impact for your constituents for the state of north carolina? guest: there is a huge impact economically right now.

my wife, who is a medical professional, they canceled a concert, the event they had this weekend. they are in uptown charlotte. the are automatically -- automatically, we are seeing an immediate impact economically. it is another burden on our society when it comes to a place we are not to talk to some of the issues we are facing. upon leaders, pastors, county officials, city officials, to make sure they are coming to the table talking about these issues. host: we heard from a gentleman in tulsa, oklahoma that is the difference between oklahoma and charlotte is that in charlotte they prayed because their religious leaders led in the wake of that killing there and asked their followers to come to the church, talk, and pray, and make the assumption that that did not happen in charlotte, north carolina. guest: it goes a bit deeper than

that. takes a community to be proactive and that of reactive. those relationships, to be able to or through a tragedy, like he did see in tulsa, is because there are relationships developed preemptively in case something happens. those are genuine relationships in a mix of difference when you have a crisis. for ministers, political leaders, business leaders to come together and talk about how do they resolve these divisions? there are some on the outside trying to stoke some of these fires both from the right and left. it is incumbent upon us as leaders whether we are in congress, local pastors, to make sure the conversations do not happen after an incident, but already beginning to develop, specifically in these communities to make sure that if something happens, it is egregious, that people are working together to overcome. a lot of these folks, we are

designed to be a country of protest. those from the outside who wants to change the story with some of the writing and egregious acts. police at oddsd on what the video shows. the family wanted released to the public. do you think it should be released? guest: i don't think it should be. during an investigation, there is a potential trial, some of those aspects yet to be careful. approve the they should show it to the family. but the public has a right to miss racing the video. if host: with tensions as high as they are, to keep the public from not seeing it? guest: i don't know what is in the video and if there are certain things that affect a fair and speedy trial, you want to make sure you are not putting someone in a very precarious situation. of them immediately

showing the family, but i do not know if it will be harmful to evidence. host: i want to invite our viewers to call in and ask your questions and give comments to congressman mark walker, republican of north carolina. .emocrats, 202-748-8000 republicans, 202-748-8001. an independent, 202-748-8002. i want to get your reaction from one of your colleagues in north carolina. charlotte protesters hate white people. that comment coming thursday with an interview on pbc. it said that people are protesting in charlotte because they hate white people and welfare is holding them back from being successful. guest: greta, i saw that last night and was very troubled. i know mr. page or has a very kind heart, but i do not agree with those comments in any way, shape, or form.

i spent my life working in different places, and are cities, places like cleveland, baltimore, maryland, refugee camps overseas, and i try to look past any scope of political persuasion or race, and as a person of faith, i look into the heart. i do not approve of those comments and i hope it was just a gross misspeak. guest: isn't reflective of the race relations in the state of north carolina? guest: not at all. we had many prominent supporters across different communities across different racial lines. not even something we would even categorizes a different. people have a right to protest. the civil rights movement began out a protest. dr. martin luther king jr. and others did it with grace. greensboro is famous for that. old of those guys of the world war change the course of our history and future. absolutely, people have the

right to protest. it is our first amendment right. i strongly encourage people to protest. but obviously, there is a line you can cross. i don't think a lot of it comes from a protesters. , in: let's go to rosie houston, democrat. c-span i want to thank for airing this so people can say how they feel. what i think about north carolina, if they wait a little while, i think the police want to view the tape. an edit whatever they want to on it. you do have to wait for them and not be so quick to want to see what is happening. all these people in north carolina can do nothing about that anyway. we all heard.

-- we all hurt. we all come here from somewhere. host: let's get reaction from the congressman. guest: thanks for the call, rosie. i kind of agree with our quarterback of the carolina newton when he talk about accountability. we have to be careful rushing to judgment, which is the point you were making. we do have to hold people accountable. in tulsa, there is a charge of manslaughter for the officer who was charged with the shooting. we do hold people accountable. what we cannot do is making -- what we cannot do is rushing to judgment. the verdict is still out, but as we see more evidence, we will see what decision we need to make in this case. guest: winston-salem, democrat. caller: yes, i would like to ask

, governor mccoury, i have seen he on the news channel, and said he that obama wanted to be in control of one month cameras were released. law, itwhy he put this has to go through this whatever to be released. they just cut -- they just cannot release them, as that of making them public. he is fighting obama. send theing, you can cameras, but i am a want to release them. he gets on tv and says something about women being raped. it is mostly geared to african-americans. people now think the sheriff is

in charge. that is why he won't release them. caroline, congress and you know what the processes? guest: i don't know the governor has jurisdiction to prevent the evidence being released. it is up to the investigators. host: even loretta lynch said yesterday, should the video be released? she said she was differing to those that are investigating it. is foras tough as it local law enforcement, we have just some kind of trust for them to do the right thing. host: steve in virginia, republican, good morning. hi, i understand or there are incidents where you question the reason for the shooting. but one thing i do not like, and

i have family in law enforcement, no one ever talks about how may police officers are shot. no one talks about when police officers have to going to the projects and deal with the drug dealers and other people in the community will help hide the drug dealers and attacked the police. that was one of the reason why cabrini green shut down in chicago. to go inthe ambulance and try to save people, they would shoot at them. how would the people in these communities feel if cameras or video feeds were released on what they do in their communities? it is very one-sided, and i do understand people being upset. i do understand that unfortunately, i do not think all policeman -- there are a whole lot of people doing a whole lot of wrong. and every day, when my family goes out, they go out to protect people that they don't even know. guest: thank you for that call.

i appreciate the heart behind it. i wanted to, i have a brother-in-law who was a k-9 officer unit. my wife is a flight, nurse who has flown into different communities with the right heart. you are correct. there are hundreds of thousands of men and women who put on that uniform everyday. those of the stories that don't make the headlines. those heroes doing the work, spending their time to try and impact the entreaties and make a difference, we seldom bring enough attention to these wonderful people. in a delay in just this to not be able to talk about some of the great work, where it is the sheriff's department, so many men and women who put their lives on the line each and every day, that we can have that freedom of speech. we certainly thank them for their credible efforts. host: by the way, the caller referred to the risk for police officers, line of duty deaths in

2016, 91. you can see how these police officers died due to gunfire, about 40 of 91. let's hear from charles in dallas, texas, and doing independent. caller: yes. i would like to respond to that last caller. a lot of people want to know why anger is at as a -- the level that it is in the black community? site, have a toxic waste which is the equivalent of slavery in america, in designated areas are toxic waste , if you put that in mainland for a specific amount of time, and then you decide, i want to make them land productive, it is one to take a lot of time, effort, and resources to change that land from being toxic to being productive. wanting black

people to be productive, but they are not willing to take the time, energy, and resources to change us from the toxic waste that we had in slavery to make us productive, because they do not feel we are worth it. guest: charles, i believe you're calling from tallis. -- i don't believe i agree with you completely. i think there are all great people in many communities. i think your sheriff in dallas is an example of that. now hently retired, but handled several of the shootings and was a man of integrity and class a great role model in dealing with some of these race relations. has said in trump reaction to what happened in north carolina, one thing he said was possibly a stop and frisk policy that the country.

he walked that it back saying maybe stop and frisk for chicago. he said he worked in new york him another said it did not work in new york. do you agree that we should have a stop and frisk policy? guest: i cannot agree that a stop and frisk policy is something we should do. we have to be careful that we do not infringe on anyone's writes. you are from, whatever your social economic background. you and i should have the same rights with no favorite to one class of the other. host: peta is next. caller: good morning. i just had a few comments. one thing we need to do a stop referring to each other as black or white, or african-americans. if we are living in this country, we are americans. what embarrassing to see is going on in our state.

like in america, does not matter what race or collar you are, we all have an opportunity to succeed if you want to. one suggestion i thought about was coming off all welfare and food stamps to people, unless you are 65 or older, or disabled. there is something about having to work for what you get that builds character. you would feel much better about yourself to go to the store and thanooting --her rather than looting stores and stealing. some of these things need to be addressed. we have given too much in this country and people need to be accountable for what they are getting. i appreciate the representative here and what he stands for. i appreciate the lady who called earlier giving her thanks to the

military and the police. i too want to do that. the are a special breed. thank you. for thees they are amount of money they make, they are semi-a special class of people. -- they are a special class of people. we have to understand from a sensitivity perspective, it was only a generation ago where that oppression lead that exists in the african-american community, and even some spots, today. we want to come at this from of a compact and it aspect that combination one. with welfare, we are out of control. food stamps and welfare titles make up for -- and will for entitlements make up 80% and we cannot sustain that. we have to find a way to push back on, that. take continuedl

education and will take tough choices. congress, are of going to have to let some point say enough is enough. we have to push back on some of the gross spending we have seen an washington d.c. it is egregious. it is part of the legislation we have introduced is help refine some of that spending and cut it. carolina,sa in north a democrat. yes.: thank you for taking my call. i would first like to say really appreciate the congressman's sincerity. i see it in his eyes. my question is, i have suffered quite a bit of a culture shock. i was raised and educated of north and worked my entire career as a professional nurse. and i have retired to northern north carolina to discover that there is a fierce, very

ofhtknit system here everything that is done, and there is a restriction on things here. like no other place i have ever worked or been in. another way of putting it might be jim crowism. is there anything that the congressman can think of that really might start moving this of thee, horrible curse black community down here in the south? it is not just for carolina. start really talking about what is actually we are just flipping our gums. we have to do something.

these children are not going to tolerate what my generation dead with the bent back in the bowed knee, saying be good children and be the special citizens. and then the black man gets killed anyway because they are look at as being bad dudes, so you just get shot. there is no de-escalation training for officers. and i'll respect to all good officers, but you have to admit there are some that are scared to death in a have a gun. host: let's get the covers meant to react to what you are saying. guest: i appreciate the call and i certainly enjoy hearing from northern north carolina. i admire your past. being married to a nurse and talking about special groups of people, i don't know anyone more special than nurses to take your of the sick in our communities. as far as oppression, we are against all kinds of oppression. we will speak to it. it is been our life, our heart.

at the same time, we want to make sure that our language and tone is not creating additional issues or additional problems. that is part of my work as a political leader in that community. it is to call anything that i see egregious out and we will continue to do that. you are welcome to contact our office and we have 110 miles from you -- we have one about 10 miles from you. i appreciate your call. host: fred is watching. an independent. caller: part of the problem is transparency with the police. when they had video, they should release that stuff asap to deceive skelly -- best of asap to de-escalate any kind of protest. then if there is something wrong, they can prosecute they have to prosecute. forreates the opportunity the perception of the possibility of flaking.

it is a rogue police practice. ,hey stop an innocent person the person gets killed, the next thing, a gun is planted, oh, he had a gun, drugs are planted. people in the communities know the person and they knew they had nothing to do with guns and drugs. it just make a credibility issue -- the talk about drugs in this country and call it a crime. everything that goes on in their life is a reflection of the leadership in this country. you talk about scams and people paying too much money for things in all kinds of nonsense going on. we have got to get back to god because god put us all here to love each other. that is something that the politicians and washington d.c. is no respect for. host: i think our congressman here does. guest: greta, i some appreciate that last comment.

god does call on us to love each other and if he can do a good job of that, it could permeate some of the other concerns we have. specifically to your issue that we should immediately release the videotape, i have concerns because even if you or i were stopped and pulled over, i don't know if we would want immediate video released until we have certain rights making sure that they're taking care of. i also put some incumbents on the community that there should be some patients before there is any kind of specifically hardline protests. there is no call for violence riding in any situation, but sometimes, it is not only on the police department. let's be to that for just a second -- most law enforcement people spent 25, 30 years in , many of counties these guys, there has never been any kind of history of gross

negligence or any kind of targeting a community. the rogueeeing situations, but i would put that person against any of the vocation. make sure that we are bringing attention to those who have distinguished honor in careers that seven law enforcement. host: how did you become a baptist minister? guest: i spent five or six years and finance out of college. in my mid-20's, my father was a minister and i promised i would never do that. never say never. i went back to divinity school concerned about 16 years in the west him, salem north carolina area. guest: how does that impact the work you do? guest: you work with people from all parts of life and layout of vision and learn sometimes there's arbitration involved. whether it is a marital

situation a family situation, there are many different sides to the story. one of the things that helped me the most was to just listen. and set of coming with a preconceived notion, to be able over to-- transitioning not being a career politician, but to go into the different communities and sit down and listen. that means sitting in the back row of the church. just understanding what is important to different communities. unless you are willing to put the relationship before policy, policy is going to be weaker and may not matter. the relationship has to be genuine. host: listen to the transgender community about the north carolina bathroom off? guest: we have, yes. loud and clear. guest: what is your position on that? guest: our district is not as impacted. struggle. even though it is a state issue,

the president double down when he issued his own executive order, six-page mandate. the root to places -- there were two places that i struggled with, allowing the student to override parental and teacher discretion. students and children -- and a six or seven years old overriding parental and teacher discretions. with talked to families kids going over and white identity crisis. that is the scrutiny handled between students, teachers and parents. being able to take that out of their authority, i struggle with. mandater or five, the from the president talked about getting away from the stereotypes a mess than the femininity -- stereotypes with masculinity and femininity. science tells us in this move to push gender neutrality, there is a difference between male and female.

we can overshoot the runway and that is what we have done. host: the ncaa has pulled out the fastball tournament there. wall street journal says the city of charlotte has lost more than 100 million in business from the fallout of the controversial state that the law. are you seeing any economic impact as well? guest: you have people who traveled throughout the state. charlotte is our from the tri-city area. you have economic impacts. if it affects shallot, it affects our entire state. the acc have pulled out as of last week. in a decision -- it is damaging to us and hurts us. little disappointed that he anded championships out return some to his home community of connecticut. i thought that was a little deposit is on his part -- i thought that was a little

duplicitous on his part. at the same time, i do not think it is outlandish. don't have aans problem of making sure that we keep the labels on the bathrooms. -- i think it is crazy to have a conversation because most people say yes. if i have a daughter, i want them to go to the female's restroom. if i have a son, i like them to go to the male's bathroom. host: let's go to our next guest. -- caller. my comment is if they want to see oppression, why don't they take a trip to an indian reservation? you talk about and lost society. and what has been done to the american indian. they live on reservations, pieces of ground. tribes that live up north in our

country, they are living in shacks, they don't have heat, they don't have air conditioning, they don't have storm sewers, they don't have their hand out. they are not out there saying, excusing, that someone owes them something, you know? they cannot get jobs, they can i get an education. of lack ofle concept respect for law enforcement officers. who don't make enough money, in my opinion. host: can i jump in. do you think in every incident, it is because of a lack of respect? caller: yes, i do. host: congressman? guest: even our court findings show that it can't be every incident. listen, i work in the federal government, and sometimes the government is wrong.

part of our job is to be able to have the right of freedom of speech. sometimes there is a gross exaggeration on some of the things, the charges, the accusations to our law enforcement. i will err on the side of trust and verify. but to say that every incident is due to lack of respect, i struggle with it and don't agree with that. host: is go to florida, eric, independent caller. sorry, derek, and pensacola. caller: no problem. republican caller, they complain to fight the last caller, is all about disrespecting the police no matter when you see that she shot him. why is it that the people always think it has to do with welfare handouts and we are talking about a police shooting? that has nothing to do with

welfare. why is it always put together? host:. we will talk about that with a congressman. -- wilton about how the congressman. any thoughts? call. thank you for the i grew up in pensacola. knowur point here, i don't , maybe a caller and a small pocket can skew it. i know many republicans who are working diligently and have a whether all communities the people are on welfare or in school programs, whatever it might be. part of our job is making sure that we are looking from a spectrum as far as seeing these people the way our faith calls us to see different people, no matter what community, role, urban -- no matter whatever community, rural, urban.

our job is to look at each case individually and that is what we are called to do and that is what we try to do as well. host: kt, democrat. jober: you are doing a good coming in and looking the camera and the face. you say you are a man of faith. read wondering if he ever leviticus 20:68? bibleot believe that the was talking about the nation of israel, which is the black people. lord allowed the nation of israel to come into slavery because of our disobedience. you being a man of faith, i was wondering if you ever read

deuteronomy 28: 68? host: i actually have -- guest: i actually have. theological discussion, i am certainly happy to go that route and a brief comment. -- i don't believe that the african-american committee is the same as israel in the bible. there are some parallels when it comes to some throughout history that both groups have suffered over the years. host: tony and clermont, florida, another independent. caller: i am glad to talk to a man of faith. is, um, when god brought the church of israel out of egypt, he said i will put you in a land where i can teach you

my ways. freedomthe reason why for black people will never work in america because the people we had a favorite of the same people that we have to work under. you know? the mentality is black people were just brought here to do free labor. were nevert, they brought here to be productive citizens. because even the meaning of police, they were created just to round up slaves. once we start getting that kind of mentality right, we will understand what god wanted us to be and i appreciate you letting me talk. guest: tony, thanks for the call. chance to do a a little previous the african-american smithsonian. what a powerful, moving presentation. you cannot walk through that place without your heart be moved in a credible ways.

at the same time, we cannot base current situations on things that happened 200, 300 years ago, maybe decades ago. we have to look at each situation differently. i get a chance to meet these wonderful people who served in a capacity of law enforcement for sometimes minimum wages, who served this community, volunteering their time, part of community workforce development, all these different things. i want to make sure that as we look at these situations, we call wrong for wrong is. we do not bypass all the good weather it is our local sheriff's department, police department, we want to make sure that these are people we live with each and every day that are doing their best to make a difference in their own way. host: c-span is covering the opening ceremony for the smithsonian national museum of after american history and culture this saturday at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow.

c-span, seized and outdoor, or you can listen on the c-span radio app appeared pat, a republican. are you there? caller: sorry, i was looking at the tv and did not see. host: listen to your phone. go ahead. caller: i want to talk about the congressman about the -- he has done. i want to talk about the oversight committee, which i rank is absolutely a waste of taxpayer money. meetings, likee a gsa, and all of these people you find that has wasted millions of money. up, youot lock them cannot have them arrested, they get to retire with full benefits. nothing is done for punishment. i would like to suggest that when a department of the federal

government is called -- is caught stealing in cheating, that department's budget needs to be cut that amount of money. at least then you are doing something. guest: thanks for your directness. i would push back a little bit. these are actual factual numbers. the house oversight committee has been able to force 20 out of the resignations we were looking for. one was the director of the dea. when we got up at some of the secret service agents were behaving improperly with a prostitute in south america, we found the penalty was only a slap on the wrist, two weeks paid leave, gross injustice are supposed to be protecting our president another leaders. able to bring her in to say and wednesday and she resigns on a friday. we are having an impact.

even though a cost money to do the investigation, our responsibility are to be hallmarked or, if you will want to make sure we are going after the different agencies that may be overstepping their boundaries. in this case, the dea -- but there are results. maybe we are not doing a good job of messaging some of the things we are doing. but it is a very important committee and the congress. host: you are supporting donald trump the selection. north carolina, battleground state -- what is his support like? guest: recent polling showing him up 5% in the district. he is up 9% if you read or listen to the polls as of the first of this week. host: you have some misgivings about him early on. where are you now? guest: i certainly support. when i say misgivings, my concern was some of the

comments, specifically early on. maybe you are basing your comment on a new york times article if i found some of his articles offensive and i said yes. but the second part of that is that i find some of the things that secretary clinton has done some defensive as well -- certainly opens his as well. secretary clinton has no problem with third trimester abortions. to keep a gun in your home, even for self-defense. i believe we are in a battle front right now coming into play and i would have great concerns with secretary clinton if she was elected president. host: we thank you for staying waiting for you are a deal to fund the government, temporarily passed the september 30 deadline. what have you been told about what i do and sticking points, and will this get resolved? guest: it out of it has been

waiting somewhat impatiently on the senate to figure out what they want to include in the cr as far as the continuing of funding the government, whether it is short-term or longer-term, the six months. we hope to have that resolved sooner. is one ofonstruction the things we are concerned about, making sure it is funded to the ability that men and women have their resources, but we are being proactive. see, hopefullyto we will have this resolved by the middle of next week. host: do you think it will be a stopgap measure the goes until december 9? guest: i believe it will be december 9, the short-term. we don't know for sure, but if i was to guess, i would believe they are looking at december 9. host: we really appreciate your time this morning. congress on mark walker -- congressman mark walker.

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sometimes we separate the , and we and protests forget his or her members, husbands, fathers. family members, husbands, fathers. these communities are individually impacted in ways we can't begin to fathom. in many communities, they look at what is happening in charlotte and what happened in oklahoma. many americans, of all stripes, are saying i think we can do better than this. here is a systemic pattern and i think as americans, we have to start to think about what are the things that we can do either in law or policy, or what are good old-fashioned conversations we can have at the kitchen table to get on the right track for the next generation. host: what is happening with policing in this country that is leading to these police shootings? guest: i think there are a few things. it is important to recognize

that historically, particularly for the african-american community, the role of policing has some origins in a very ugly history. thisnk about the fact that weekend, the opening of the smithsonian museum will happen. there are many exhibits that look at the beginning and origins of policing in this country -- it started with slave patrols, and there were those who are looking for runaway slaves. we have come a long way from there, but i think we have to recognize that there are vestiges of either disparities in treatment for some people, particularly in the context of law enforcement. when we talk about what are things that we can do to change what some may say seems to be the norm, it goes back to training, accountability, and transparency. when we look at the fact that according to the bureau of justice statistics, between 2011 about 178there are

hours of training for local and state law enforcement. only 21 hours of that time was spent on use of force. the use of force training also included de-escalation training. the rest is firearms training, rapid response training. when we think about -- is that really a balanced approach? most people would say it is not, there is something more we can do. host: in response to specifically the charlotte situation, someone who practiced civil right law, what do you make of this argument that the video should be released right now, during this investigation? guest: i also attended law school in north carolina. this hits near and dear to me. i have many friends, colleagues, law professors who are still in the area. when the governor of north carolina signed this bill earlier this year, i knew that this moment would come. the reason i say that is

whenever you are trying to build trust between communities and law enforcement, those who are you are there to serve, you want to create an environment where you can build trust. where there is accountability. where there is transparency. when you are hiding information that is public record, you cast aspersions on whatever investigation that is happening. from thearing reports sheriff and law enforcement about what is on the video. people, as they hear this, they want to see themselves. it is public record. i think if you want communities to take a step back and believe, you also have to show the american people that yes, we believe you. we trust you. we want to show you that we are working on your behalf. host: to remind our viewers what law the governor signed. guest: earlier in the year, the governor signed a bill that hold police --ld

can video from the public. dash-cam video from the public. families can view it but not release it. their counsel can view it but not release it. you juxtapose what is happening in oklahoma -- you don't see rides in the street. in theckly -- riots streets. you quickly saw the violence come down. you juxtapose that with three nights of protests in charlotte. you have to ask yourself what is happening here. you see the transparency as part of the problem. host: what do you think the introduction of body cam's and h-cam's, people using their cell phones -- what is that done to what we are seeing here in the criminal justice process? guest: it has been revolutionary. it is a disruptive technology. i think if we only look at bad

behavior and we don't fix the behavior, and we don't update the training, it is not enough. we have to have a conversation about this country, about race and how implicit bias plays into our work. earlier in the year, a number of my colleagues -- released a bias. about implicit there is research that has come out that says african-american some empiricalto evidence, are seen from law enforcement as hyper masculine. and therefore, may be more prone to violence. , howyou have those biases are you going to react in split-second situations? feel the only way you can overcome that is when you have directed training that speaks to that issue, were you continually are talking about use of force. prepare my how can i local law enforcement leaders for these situations?

how to lie diversify my police force so you make sure -- how do i diversify my police force so you make sure that diversity is a strength in the law enforcement context? host: are these changes included in the criminal justice reform bill pending before congress? guest: sadly, no. not yet. many of these ideas were included in the president's task force on 21st century policing. i'm happy to see some of these recommendations take hold in many jurisdictions across the country, like in dallas. we have seen some of these trainings take hold in california and new york. this is something that local law enforcement can move on without having to wait for congress. i also think that this work should be ongoing. finish --e step and progress is not completion. to the extent that we recognize that these are things that we,

as a society, have to grapple with and be aggressive about willng with -- i think we see the type of success we need to rebuild the trust in our community. host: let's get some calls in. from arlington, texas on the independent line. foremost, it and would like to say there is a 100 year history of police brutality in this country. we know that during the church committee hearings, there has been a situation where law enforcement was in cahoots with the ku klux klan to murder and .ssault members of snc loaded that these phrases like zynga felt threatened or they feared for their life, or person was going to their gun, have been rehearsed. ,nd have been legitimized because there is a culture in this country that has said black people are not human. we have been that way, it has been that way. we are on welfare.

the world, the country is better off without that burden. , let's tos killed flight from that argument of injustice and talk about chicago. or drugs. or talk about maybe he was on drugs. or bring up some hypothetical that he may have been armed. he may have been threatening. i was in fear for my life. these are all loaded phrases to remind people to say this is a black person. they are not human, they are not here to be part of our system of justice. this is not law enforcement. theye do not enforce laws, gain facts. people render judgment, innocent or guilty. or a judge will render innocent or guilty judgment. it is the citizenry who enforce laws. host: we will take your comments. guest: first off, i appreciate your comments. particularly the point about some of the origins of law enforcement.

there has been a lot of conversation about what black lives matter's means. i think the caller basically touched on this fact, that the saying black lives matter in some ways is just a reaffirmation of the humanity of african-americans in this country. hold,ason why it is taken and the movement for black lives matter powerful, positive force in this country is because if you look statistically out the facts, you see there is an ongoing disparity that affects african-americans is reportedly from everybody else. if you look at all of the unarmed individuals killed by police in 2015, 40% were african-american men. but african-american men only make up 6% of the population. this is the unarmed shootings by police in 2015. there is something very real there. when you hear the english and

frankly, the passion of your previous caller, it is being into the fact that you continually see these instances and say something has to happen. this is not right. this is not my country. and sometimes, i do not feel safe in the country that i live in and feel -- and call home. host: let's go to charlotte, north carolina. anthony is calling in, a democrat. caller: i was there wednesday night at marshall park, when it started off as a peaceful march. [indiscernible] they started talking about the don't appreciate black lives matter -- they don't appreciate black lives. black men are not hyper masculine, they are not here to start trouble. my comment is, if the police are ,o scared when they draw guns

they need to get into another job or another profession. if you're intimidated by a big black dude, get another job. you can't be scared doing your police job. host: ok, thanks. guest: anthony speaks to something we highlighted in a number of our reports. there is research that shows --t african-americans african american boys are seen as five to seven years older than their actual age. tamir rice,tion of the 12-year-old who was shot and killed in cleveland, ohio playing with a bb gun -- when he was shot, one of the callers called in and said i see an african-american young man. i believe around 18 years old. when the officer showed up and shot him in less than two seconds, he immediately didn't see a 12-year-old boy with a bb gun, he saw an 18-year-old black

man with a weapon. that ohio is an open carry state. the should have gone complete with different. what that speaks to his sometimes how we play out our implicit bias in split-second decisions. which is why we, at the center for american progress, say repeatedly that ongoing training can't happen only at the academy. it must be ongoing, it must be continual. we need to have a conversation in this country about why we don't have national standards around use of force. what has been seen as reasonable use of force in these instances. if all you can say is i was in fear of my life, but we have seen empirical research about how african americans are viewed differently, there has to be a conversation about how you reconcile those two things. that is why we are saying research is important, training is important, and actually appreciating that these differences occur. host: robert on the line from

republicans in brooklyn. caller: good morning. first, i want to ask about obstruction, they pull a the basketball game. force and children in schools -- they do not bring up that. they bring up north carolina. the second question i would ask is when president clinton closing with the confederate flag and hillary clinton calling black children predators, it's not about the concept. carolina has really been the epicenter of a number of major issues. i was there in the late 90's, early 2000, and north carolina was in the cutting-edge.

we have same-day registration, year-round schooling. you have great wraparound services that you saw in schools. there were restorative justice programs for the criminal justice system. i will tell you, in the last few years, we have seen a huge shift in change away from practices that would create a more open and diverse and welcoming community for all different people, whether you are talking about the lgbtq community, in the context of the transgender bathroom situation or seeing the massive rolling back of voting rights. 2008 was the first time that blacks in the state outvoted whites in the state. -- quickly saw an omnibus what has been called the worst voting rights bill in the country -- asked by the republican legislature. bythe same time -- passed the republican legislature. you've seen draconian bills to dash and police body

cameras. north carolina in some ways seems to be going backwards. that is why you hear such power and people saying there is a movement in north carolina, because the state is better than that. they know they need to be moving forward and not backwards. host: we talked with him on the show. i want to follow up on the camera legislation that the governor passed. one viewer says that you said withhold, but the law says unless directed to release by a judge. guest: one of the things that i will say is that whenever you are putting yourself in a ,ituation where public evidence that belongs to the people, has to be litigated before a member of the bench, we have a problem. there is no reason why we should -- yourom the frame of have to go through a number of different steps before you release information that would lead to greater trust and belief

of the process in your community. i recognize that that is a point. but we see now that there have been over three days of protests in a state, contrasting that with oklahoma, where the video was immediately released. one of the things you can point to is a lack of transparency. that leads to less accountability for all involved. host: what do you think the impact, politically and policy of northf the state carolina or city of charlotte and others would follow through on the stop and first policy, to reinstate that. trump says it works in new york, others say it did not. what would be the impact of that? , and i'mm a new yorker so excited that you asked this question. what we saw in new york after the removal of stop and frisk -- we actually saw crime not only

go down, but you saw greater community involvement in solving crimes and communities. what does that say to us? that says to us that when he forth policies that are not rooted in data, that are not rooted in any type of fact, but you are making massive profiling, you erode the trust that you need. whatever we do in this country, we have to figure out how we do it together. law enforcement is not separate from our communities. community members are not separate from working with law enforcement. you have to figure out what are the things we can do to foster those relationships. and when you have taccone and policies like stop and frisk, that we know don't work -- draconian policies like stop in first, that we note a work -- that we know don't work, we know that's a problem. and that is not a policy that we should bring back. muska connecticut, james, independents. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call.

can you hear me? host: we can. caller: three quick points for you. the federal interest rate is one of the problems that we have here in america that has really caused a lot of the shootings and killings. we don't have money. we don't have money to be able to invest in these communities. that is hard for us to really elaborate on and stop a lot of the poverty in those areas. the second thing is the job monopoly. these businesses have a plethora of monopolized companies that are owned by so many individuals that don't have black interests in mind. statistics, you will see real fast that black men have the highest unemployment rate before. is implement rate in flint

something like 80 -- the unemployment rate in flint is like 80%. and the schools, that is my last point. for flint alone, they've been on probation for 10 years or 20 years. these are things that stop people from being able to get a good education and get a job, so they can be active in society. we are not active in society, so we can never, ever have the ability to follow these rules the cops are asking us to follow. host: let's get a reaction. guest: i think your caller raises an important point. the reality is one in four african americans live in an area of extreme poverty. and what we know is that in areas of impoverished communities -- that live in areas with higher crime rates. we want to talk about how we reduce crime and the communities and we have to look at poverty and generational poverty. we have to look at how we researchers,oint

best resources, jobs, educational opportunities in these communities. this is a wraparound full-scale solution to the area of crime. there is something that the president said in his dallas speech that i thought was important. we often ask law enforcement officials to do too much. we ask them to be social workers and education providers. he raised an excellent point, that we have to figure out how we speak to these communities and provide greater resources. whether it is health care or education. we address the issue of poverty, something we don't hear too many people talking about these days. it is ancillary as we talk around issues related to crime. host: in jackson, tennessee, independents. the morning. caller: good morning. whole problem the -- the war on drugs, mass incarceration. the chief mandate of the criminal justice system is not

to prosecute the guilty, but to safeguard the innocent from wrongful convictions. just read the bill of rights. how can any american with a with americasfied being the number one in incarceration? -- noited states industrialized nation even has the death penalty. iran, china, iraq. we're the only country that has a for-profit bail bondsman's. we take away driver's licenses from people, and what do you expect? thomas jefferson, when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. but the whole thing is the mass incarceration and the blacks are destroyed. you saw last year, "new york times," i think, 1.5 million black men missing from life due

to homicide or incarceration. -- youto ask this lady need to start asking your , why door colleagues you think we have the 21st amendment? it repealed the 18th amendment, which was alcohol prohibition, because all of the white fellows were shooting each other and their kids shooting each other, they were being locked up. all the puritanical women can out and said without stamping out alcohol would be a good thing, and we have to admit we were wrong. some of the banners in 1930, read save our -- children, and prohibition. guest: he raises an incredibly important point about mass incarceration. we are the world's leader, one of the few industrialized countries that still has the death penalty. that is why i have been so hard rtened to see the

actions of the obama administration. even as we sit here on capitol hill, seeing a bipartisan coalition emerge looking at the issue of criminal justice reform, particularly in the areas of sentencing. right now, i will be honest that some of the momentum has stalled because we are in the election season. but i'm hopeful that we will be able to move forth, getting rid of draconian mandatory minimums. of whylooking at issues we still keep young people in solitary confinement in state and local prisons. it was outlawed in the federal system, but there is still some thing we have to look at. the department of justice recently announced they will no .onger use for-profit prisons another step forward. these are conversations that as a country, we haven't had the courage and the bravery to address. i'm glad that now we are starting to see a bipartisan coalition of voices and actors

senatorverywhere from mike lee from utah are out here talking about these issues. alongsideking right people like grover norquist, saying something must be done. that gives me hope. host: host: barbara, a republican. good morning to you, you're on the air. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a comment and i'd like a response from your guest. nobody talks about this much it really bothers me. how about improving relations between communities and law enforcement by complying to what they ask you to do when you get pulled over. take a poll see how many people walk away from a cop. i don't care if your hands or up or down that's a red flag. nobody's above the law. don't matter what color of the skin. it seems to be that some people are. that's a red flag