i want to help all our allies. but we are losing billions and billions of dollars. we cannot be the policemen of the world. ? we cannot protect countries all over the world when they are not paying us what we need. she does not say that because she has no business ability. you have to have some basic ability. and sadly, she does not have that. if she wins this race, we will not have that. crack secretary clinton became the first -- >> the secretary clinton became the first woman nominated. she did not have the presidential look. mr. trump: i said she did not have the stamina.

to be the president, you need tremendous stamina. ait a minute, you asked me question. did you ask me a question? you have to be able to negotiate a trade deal with japan, saudi arabia. defending saudi arabia and with all the money do you have to do is secretary of state? you have 70 different things you have to be able to do and i do not believe hillary has the stamina. >> let's let her respond. ms. clinton: as soon as she andels to country negotiates cease-fire, release of dissidents, open up new opportunities around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a conjure -- congressional committee, he

can talk to me about stamina. [applause] trump: history has experience, but it is bad experience. [applause] it is the whether arena deal, which you are so in love with when we gave them $150 youion back, with anything can name. you can almost not name a good deal. she is gone experience, but it is bad experience. this country cannot afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. >> we are at the final question. ms. clinton: he tried to switch from looks to stamina but this is a man who is called women pigs, slobs, and dogs. who has said pregnancy is in inconvenience to employers. nothas said women do

deserve equal pay. one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. ,e loves beauty contest supporting them and hanging around the stop he called a woman miss piggy. "ms.he called her housekeeping". donald, she has a name. she has become a u.s. citizen. and she is going to vote. trump: hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. veryody who is been vicious to me, rosie o'donnell, i sent to things to her. i think everybody agrees, she deserved it. nobody feels sorry for her. say, i said to

beelf, i cannot do it to extremely tough. it is inappropriate. it is not right. a lot of money on negative ads about me, many of which are untrue and misrepresentations. i will tell you this, lester, it is not nice. deserve it. it is not a nice thing she is saying. hundreds of millions on ads and the only thing gratifying is i saw the numbers come in today, over 200 million dollars to i am either winning or we are tied. lester: one if you will not win the election. are you willing to except the outcome as the will of the voters? it is a democracy. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

i will certainly support the outcome. i know donald is trying very hard to plant doubts about it but i hope people understand, to you.ction is up it is not about us as much as about you and your family. i hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it, because i think it does. to to makei want america great again. we are seriously troubled. losing our jobs. people pouring into our country. the other day we were deporting people. perhaps they pressed the wrong button. worse than that, corruption. these people we were going to deport ended up becoming citizens. it was 800 and now it might eat 1800 and they do not even know.

lester: will you accept the outcome? mr. trump: i will do it, i don't think hillary will. the answers, if hillary wins i will absolutely support her. lester: that covers it. everything as i suspected we would not. the next presidential debate is october 9 at washington university in saint louis and october 19 at the university of nevada in las vegas. longwood university in farmville, virginia. my thanks to hillary clinton and donald trump and hofstra university for hosting us tonight. good night, everyone. [applause] ms. clinton: thanks, lester.

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[cheers and applause] announcer: and that concludes c-span plus coverage of the first presidential debate with lester holt is the moderator. we're live from washington, d e, to hear your reaction. the lines are divided by clinton

supporters, trump supporters, and undivided. you can also tweet. we can also take text. peter: 202 is the area code for all of our numbers. that includes our text number. , if youer four text include your identifications. to get your reaction via text to tonight's first presidential debate of 2016. candidates have been sending out tweets. here are some from hillary clinton. 43 days left, let's re-witness things. -- let's win this thing. out,eine albright tweeted that's what we well sleet girls

do. hillary clinton is the only candidate prepared to be president. poll,eeted out the cnn 62% for her, 27% for trump. donald trump has sent out some tweets. did great in the polls except for cnn. then he goes on to say thank you to governor terry branstad and senator ted cruz. he also tweeted out, nothing on me e-mails, nothing on corrupt clinton foundation and nothing on benghazi. those are just some of donald trump's tweets tonight. let me read you what arthur brooks wrote for the new york times, he is the president of the american enterprise institute.

what we saw was missed opportunities on both sides. it only took 90 minutes but donald clinton -- but donald trump and hillary clinton: two a stereotype. into wonton relaxed wooden linesivered about eagerly awaiting fact checks. mr. trump had a stream of consciousness anti-interrupt did with confusing non sequiturs, often in praise of himself. most would say mrs. clinton got the best of the exchanges and had a good type but both ms. the opportunity to show more repertoire. onlyrump continued to image of strength and shaking up the status well. her empathy kept up and compassion for vulnerable

people. they defied conventional categories and traits normally associated with their opponents. will need to at all ofttempt to shake up this to of any hope of achieving breakout of this campaign. >> so mr. brooks thinks this is not a game changer. was there a breakout moment? was there a time when the candidate might have convinced some of the undecided decided? we would like to hear your thoughts. marietta,is in georgia and supports elizabeth. guest: thank you. i was watching the debate and i am to believe if you were a trump supporter you will stay one, if you are a hillary supporter you are probably going to stay one but the people on saw quitei think they

honestly more logical and answering the questions on hillary's side into more, you know, stressful react of the answers on trump's side. that said, i am a hillary supporter and i was concerned that she did not answer the question on nuclear weapons and the right -- not the right but the choice for first action. that she kind of going over that and kind of backtracked on some things. think thisi do not is going to change a lot of minds that it might influence people who had not decided to go and it might have made them fall were.e fence as it so, i was very pleased as i think at least it will help some people who were undecided decide where to go.

host: so there weren't any discuss.moments as you isn't the fault of the format? the performance of the candidates? get -- think the two candidates were trapped with what they did in the past. but i think the moderator could have insisted that specific question should have been answered by both parties that were not. i think that might have helped. otherwise it was pretty much what you would have expected of the debate. at the end of, the debate when you were watching the people file out of the auditorium, hillary clinton immediately engage people in the auditorium. she spoke to people, people wanted to talk to her. that was impressive to see. but you had to take note that

trump stayed up on the stage in the corner with nothing but his family around him. he did not reach out to anybody and i think that is very telling. host: thank you for participating. colony, texas.e supporter of donald trump was tonight a game changer? caller: i think in some parts it is a game -- game changer. but donald trump makes people i think feel more safe and confident. to me, hillary made it, you know, at times when she went left more of a saturday night. he of herself. they were not answering the questions correctly and they were stuck on a path and would not answer to a point in the woman who spoke before me talked about how, you know, trump got up on the stage and stayed up

there. hillary, i also heard is not going to shake the moderators hand. meaning, you are not supposed to hear that. then she said, oh, here he comes. theknow, trump gives me confidence as in american. sat back.st kind of she was off in another land at times. powerump is giving us the , to me, i know many people are saying that. he is giving us the strength and it isto be americans and going to show other countries to not be afraid that he is going to work with him. he is a businessman and that is what we need. he could've hit them hard with hillary's husband but he did not and he alluded to it. host: thank you for your car.

is milton from new castle, pennsylvania supporting hillary clinton. milton: i just wanted to say that that i am really down with supporting hillary. donald trump is talking more about everything about himself in to not be opportunity for the lower class and middle class. it was not all this, donald that, i am very successful. us and i want to just say that i am down with hillary. host: thank you for your call. >> from the wall street journal, here is a reaction. voters react coolly to donald during the debate. his performance was likely to bolster his supporters but risk turning others. interviews with undecided voters and expert said. quote i feel the way he talks to

other people can be extremely rude and disrespectful and i do not inc. that is the temperament we should be looking for in a president. of them persuaded any of these cited candidate. there is debate on whether or not it will alter the course of the campaigns. host: did you think tonight's campaign was a game changer? jonathan, albuquerque new mexico, who are you supporting? caller: i am supporting neither. calling isreason why bthink there should be a plan

. for me, it would be bernie. but that is another story. what i am is raining is, that idea about how hillary is some kind of puritanical being of some sort, that does not do well by me because even her husband bill's when he was in the white writtenhere was a book whoecret service person served throughout the eight years for bill and found her totally obnoxious, totally unreasonable, yelling and screaming and demanding. peoplet know why the tv always paid people to be something when they do not know anything from behind. that is my point.

host: thank you. another john in kansas city, missouri. go ahead. caller: take you. i appreciate it. i did not think that either errorste made any big nor did i find either one of them particularly outshining the other. i think they both did a fairly thatjob and i also believe mr. holt did a fairly good job as a moderator although i did find it a couple of apparent in equities in his job as a moderator. -- mr. trump to task early on, insisting he be specific in his response to the

question and he never said that to hillary even though she was no less vague than trump about the things she was saying. trumphe scolded the supporters who got noisy at one point in the debate and once again he did not say anything to hillary supporters. i hope he does better in future. host: he won't be moderating. do you have a choice in the election? caller: i'm yet i'm these cited host: what will tip the balance for you?

i do not know. if one or the other of them does something i find disqualifying. host: do you think this might globally to the voting with you? caller: it very well could. the debate did not change my mind. i have been a trump supporter. i am a firm labor than i do not think a politician should hold office of president. as for his advisers, that's cool. the main thing is the race thing. was founded, people call themselves americans. the race thing will never change until people quit saying i am african-american, i'm mexican-american. when you go to another country,

people do not refer to as an african-american, there referred to as an american. it used to be something people could be proud of. sometimes people are afraid to say they are american. intel, sometimes even in america you have to be afraid. hell, sometimes even america you have to be afraid. this is america, everybody should be a hard sell for it. for politicians to throw the race card out and aim for a specific race and that pertains to hillary. it pertains to trump. they both do it. until that stops nothing will change. host: thank you. peter has some more for us. peter: here are a couple of tweets. a comedian tweets, maybe we should try for years without a president.

says, 20 minutes in and the candidates it sound like an old married couple fighting at cracker barrel. and kylo ren salem, oregon. done anything except try to take advantage of an age where people don't check their. he is gotten ahead by screwing people over. no morals. he is saying whatever he wants to win. hillary has worked hard for years to fight for us and will continue to do so without sacrificing others to boost her ego. areaore text from the 360 code. i wish trump would hit hillary harder on what the dnc did to bernie sanders. i wish jill stein would have been permitted to debate. hillary would be afraid of that.

host: clinton supporter, you were on. how did your candidate do tonight? did it change any minds? caller: i think it did change some minds. myself, i was looking for something out of donald trump toause he seemed to try reach out to the african-american community but when his actions and his track saidd contradict what he and i am very uncomfortable with him because he seems to always be on edge and on the defense. he never really focused on the facts on the questions. he did not into the questions specifically. opinion notin my only can she speak the lyrical language but she has the notrience and she was

president. of course she had political positions but there was only so much you could do in the positions she held. more potentialas to take this country or continue it in the direction we worked it to go. wealthtrump has made his on the sweat of others and for him to even choose all my as if that ising something to be proud of, some of what they criminal history and such unfairness in the boxing industry, that says a lot about his character we need fairne that is going to be not only to us but to other

thetries and that has experience, the political experience. someone that has never been in politics should never be voted for do just step right in and be president of the united states. host: thank you. next up, trusts though, alabama. for trump. what are your thoughts? caller: i thought it was in interesting debate. i was hoping trump would come out stronger than what he did but the moderator seemed to have him in a corner to make him be precise with his answers and hillary, not so much. i would have liked to have seen thatoncentrate on the fact he does have several women at work for the top of his

corporation as well as low positions, medium as well as high management because he is a supporter of women and i do not think that point was brought out as strongly as it could have been. i would have liked to have heard clinton's hillary brush with the justice system. not just trump's brush with the justice system considering that he is not held to the same standard as an average citizen is in the united a and the fact that she does have the experience that i think they should do some more fact-checking on the benghazi .nd really have publicized that one of the people said that she was meeting with the crowds tonight and that is something we have not seen since she came out to be elected.

no news media, no one has been allowed to speak with her where trump has been on the trail since the very beginning. it did not release we might decision, i think i am going to -- it did not release way my decision i am going to stay with trump. host: what did tonight do for you and your opinion of hillary clinton? caller: i am still very impressed with what she knows as far as what goes on in all it takes what israel, what is not real. lives in a bubble. first of all, he does not know anything about black people. he does not know anything about us, our struggle, what it is about. visiting a black church does not make him understand what the struggle is for us. for him to say we need to go back to stop and frisk? how dare you? there is no mere in any city in

this country who has gone back and said we need to adopt that. he is out of touch with reality and he is not someone that is fit to be president. presidentou think clinton has a better understanding of black people's reality in the country? caller: yes because she has lived in communities with more black people and associated with, work with. she has been in line with wanting to make sure that things are better for those communities and not just talk about how much money she is making on the backs of other people. richmond,ext, rob in california, supporting donald trump. caller: i am a lifelong democrat but for 15 months i've been a trump republican. it feels weird but i'm ecstatic because he is going to bring the change that 70 percent of americans want.

rudy giuliani was on fox setting the record straight. it was ruled unconstitutional as applied. trump during the debate said, stop and frisk is being used across the country now. and, it is. , too muches to racial racial discrimination, etc. it can be applied broadly. the judge was hearing that case was taken off the case because she was prejudiced against the police so these are things, these are details that folks, you know, gloss over, you know, hillary also flubbed it when she said there was no changes to the business tax proposed rates by trump. wrong. he is going to drop it from 35% to 16%. she flubbed and fitted on the birth risen because sydney blumenthal absolutely have the reporter at the washington post go over to kenya and check on the birtherism.

mark 10 was involved in that, too. glossed over it. did not address it. she looked good, she is a good policy wonk and good for her but i was a big fan of the clintons in the 1990's and it is time to move on. i am proud to be a trump supported. she had the gall to bring up benghazi. 11 hours of obscure gating and lying about her was on stability for top and what does it matter? never leave anyone behind? they left for pager attic that die back there. this is typical for bad judgment. trump is not perfect but i am for him all the way. host: thank you. now back to peter. facebook,ording to the top social moment of the debate was donald trump saying "my strongest asset is my emperament."

and the top issues, taxes. isis, racial issues, economy, crime and criminal justice. a couple text we have received. jill and tragic, ohio. he moderator was completely left-leaving. completely unfair. into her last caller said that trump cowered in the corner. well, he went straight into these in room and engaged the media. here's timothy in jackson, mississippi. hillary is best for our country. trump seems to be a rich spoiled brat. this country is not a reality show. we need revival. go hillary. host: getting your reaction. in republic, missouri. jason is on our line. who are use supporting? caller: you know, i am at the edge of my seat.

it is entertaining. i had popcorn because i needed to be entertained. you have got these crazy people on there. you know, i was thinking about it for a second one donald trump came out. know, hillary you has such a consistent, you know, flavor during the debate. i might have to say that, you -- towardary did not the end, just smiling, you know, and grabbing a glass of water, it you know. they said it, hillary would, you know, just smirk, you know, at donald, drive him crazy. i think donald was getting a little crazy towards the end.

host: thank you jason. next up, helen in san antonio supporting hillary clinton. think?what did you was it a game changing event? for hillary.still donald trump is a person of money. if you notice, all he is doing is talking about money. need toand donald also understand one important thing when they talk about these killings in each town, it is a police officer that is killing. they are being shot by police officers. now, i would like to know what they are going to do about the mexican-americans. those people coming from mexico. themry clinton gave amnesty. an opportunity to be legal here in the united states.

they pay taxes just like we do. know, i amo like to a caregiver, and there are many caregivers in the united states. we are being underpaid. what are you going to do for? i would and will always support hillary clinton. she knows what she is doing. donald trump is all money. just money. we are not making this, we are not making that. that is not important. money does not by our country. so we are going for hillary. matt in auburn, washington, supporting trump. caller: i want to say i am part of the young organization of suits for trump. i am in central washington. trump madeay that some very good points.

especially when he was talking about leaving the country and going places like mexico. for hard-working americans. he said we need a tax of when they try to get their products rack in here they get taxed. to keep jobs in america. you know, i am a college student and one of my worries is when i come out of college, i mean, what if i can't find it a job? that is one of my worries. trump.donald i really do. he is a big influence my life and i think he is great. host: thank you for artistic painting. nice to hear from a young voter. call, arom roll "hrc,"er of the book

said it was hard to pick the worst moment during a night in which he flailed trying to find balance. his early gaffe lost them in the crossfire. he was easily baited and thirsty for blood more so than ready for a presidential debate. it smacked of the issues that cost gerald ford a return as president. , "you are telling the enemy of thing you want to do," then he deviated. no wonder you have been fighting isis your entire adult life. it does not really mean that he thought isis formed when clinton was 18 or that she has only been in the donald a few years, but he blurted out what first came to mind. trump minnesota text, hey

watch the episode of want line. isis was begat during the bush to europe. duh! and one more text. honestly, i am not sure who was the best person for our new president until i watched the debate. after seeing mrs. clinton constantly getting that cocky smile like she was avoiding so many questions, i have no choice but to go with donald trump. he made some mistakes but he will get some things done and not ride the coattails of others. go trump. host: thanks, peter. left.e a few minutes it will continue tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. eastern washington journal. close from the debate and calls. analysts and others who have watched it all. getting a better sense of how the debate played out.

next up, devon in breckenridge, pennsylvania. on our other line. do you have a candidate or are you i decided? -- i have aven't candidate but he is not debating, gary johnson. he really pulled me into his little circle and i mean i did want to get behind donald trump and also i wanted to get behind hillary clinton, but with donald trump i cannot get behind him too much because he is just too much of a in egomaniac for me and i do not think someone like him deserves more power the what he already has. then hillary clinton, i ruth a lot of stuff she says but i can't really get behind her for the simple fact she needs to be in prison. i cannot be behind a criminal.

post: thank you for your call. next up, jacqueline from escondido, california, supporting secretary clinton. caller: hello. after watching the debates, i whateally concerned with presidential candidate donald trump does with getting into a conflict with iran. [indiscernible] the problem we have is every wheree goes through that the iranians, you know, they try to intimidate us, i find it really unnecessary for him -- if he became president to want to , it would, you know, what a lot of our military

personnel at risk, we are, you know, out there doing our thing and you know it is amazing to me how little he knows of what is going on over there every time we go through those waters. host: teresa from scobee, oklahoma, supports donald trump. what did you think of the debate? the moderator directly asked donald trump about his tax returns but did not ask hillary about her e-mails. i would like to say i support donald trump but i think we have had too many politicians and their for too long and that is why the united states is going to hell in a handbasket. hillary wants to keep the orders open. people better stop and realize the united states is in a bad

state will stop the middle class people, they cannot afford to do things they want to do for their emily's or support their families and if anyone is going to reach out and get a job so people can go to work in to help get these jobs back to the united states and quit doing stuff overseas. host: we are out of time. thank you for your comments and and over thets phone. next vice the presidential debate from farmville, virginia, on october 4. october 9 and 19 the next presidential debates. we will have live coverage of the preview, the debate itself, and commentary afterwards. our website is available to you now with the debate in its entirety.

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morning. >> c-span's road to the white house coverage continues with the vice presidential debate between republican governor mike pence and democratic senator tim kaine tuesday, october 4, live from longwood university and farmville, or junior. preview program begins at 7:00 a.m. eastern and then need predebate briefing with the debate getting underway live followed by fewer reaction. and hillaryump clinton debated at half strike university. topics included the economy, race, and national security. this was the first of three debates. the moderator was mr. holt of nbc . lester holt: good evening from hofstra university in

hempstead, new york. lester holt, anchor of nbc nightly news. the participants tonight are and hillary clinton. this debate is sponsored by the presidential debates, a nonpartial nonpartisan organization. commissioner has drafted the format and the rules have been agreed to. dividedminute debate is into six segments, each 15 minutes long. topic areasre three tonight: achieving prosperity, america's direction, and securing america. start of each segment, i will ask the same lead-off question to both candidates, have up to ll each two minutes to respond. from that point until the end have an egment, we'll open discussion. the questions are mine, and have not been shared with the campaign's.or the the audience here in the room has agreed to remain silent so that we can focus on what the are saying. i will invite you to applaud, however, at this moment as we candidates,

democratic nominee for president of the united states, hillary clinton, and republican nominee for president of the donald j. trump. [cheering and applause] to ald trump: good luck you. lester holt: well, i don't us to cover all the issues of this campaign tonight there areind everyone two more presidential debates scheduled. we will focus on the issues voters tell us are most important. i am honored to have this role but this evening belongs to the and just as important to the american people, candidates, we look forward to hearing you policies and ur your positions as well as your

visions and your values. let's begin. we're calling this opening segment "achieving prosperity" central to that is jobs. there are two economic realities in america today. been a record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers show incomes have increased at a record rate after years of stagnation. inequality come remains significant and nearly half of americans are living paycheck. to beginning with you, secretary clinton, why are you a better to ice than your opponent create the kinds of jobs that will put more money into the pockets of american workers? hillary clinton: thank you, lester, and thanks to hofstra hosting us. the central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together. granddaughter's second birthday, so i think about this a lot. first, we have to build an that works for everyone, not just those at the

top. jobs, eans we need new good jobs, with rising incomes. i want us to invest in you. invest in your future. that means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean renewable and small business, because most of the new jobs will come from small business. make the ave to economy fairer. that starts with raising the wage and also um guarantee finally equal pay for womens' work. i also want to see more companies do profit sharing. the profits,create you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top. do more to us to support people who are to balance family and work. i've heard from so many of you youut the difficult choices face and the stresses that you're under. have paid family leave, earned sick days. let's be sure we have

affordable child care and debt-free college. how are we going to do it? we're going to do it by having their fair pay share and close the corporate loopholes. tonight are on the stage together, donald trump and i. to be with s good you. we're going to have a debate we are talking about the important issues facing our country. you have to judge us. who can shoulder the immense awesome responsibilities of the presidency? can put into action the plans that will make your life better? will be able to earn your vote on november 8th. lester holt: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, the same question to you. about putting more money into american workers. you have two minutes. donald trump: thank you, lester. our jobs are fleeing the country. they're going to mexico. they're going to many other countries. at what china is doing to our country in terms of

making our product. devaluing their currency and there's nobody in our government to fight them and we have a very good fight winning fight, because they're using our country as a piggybank to and many other countries are doing the same thing. good jobs, sing our so many of them. when you look at what's happening in mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants said it's the eighth wonder of the world. building some of the biggest plants anywhere in the world, some of the most sophisticated and best plants. with the united states, as you said, not so much. so ford is leaving. see that there's division, leaving. thousands of jobs, leaving michigan, leaving ohio. they're all leaving and we can't allow it to happen anymore. childcare is concerned and so many other things, i think hillary and i agree on that. disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do, but be talking about that later. but we have to stop our jobs

from us.ng stolen we have to stop our companies leaving the united states and with it, firing all of their people. you have to do is take a look at carrier air indianapolis.in they fired 1400 people. they're going to mexico. so many hundreds and hundreds doing this.s are we cannot let it happen. under my plan, i will be reducing taxes tremendously 15% for companies, small and big businesses. that's going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since ronald reagan. it's going to be a beautiful watch.to companies will come. they will build. they will expand. will start, and i look very, very much forward to doing it. we have to renegotiate our and we have to stop these countries from stealing our jobs.nies and lester holt: secretary

clinton, would you like to respond? hillary clinton: i think that is an important issue. of course, we are 5% of the world's population. we have to trade with the other and we need to have smart, fair trade deals. need to have ah, tax system that rewards work and not just financial transactions. and the kind of plan that donald has put forth would be economics all over again. in fact, it would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this country than we've ever had. i call it trumped-up trickle down, because that's exactly what it would be. that is not how we grow the economy. we just have a different view what's best for growing the economy, how we make investments that will actually and rising s incomes. i think we come at it from somewhat different perspectives. i understand that. you know, donald was very and unate in his life, that's all to his benefit.

with arted his business $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be, and that everything will work out from there. buy that. i have a different experience. my father was a small businessman. worked really hard. he printed drapery fabrics on out tables where you pull those fabrics and he went down with the silk screen and dumped the paint in and took squeegee and kept going. so what i believe is the more we can do for the middle class, we can invest in you, your education, your skills, the better we will be off and the better we'll grow. that's the kind of economy i again. to see lester holt: let me follow up with mr. trump, if i can. you talked about creating 25 promised obs and you to bring back millions of jobs for americans. how are we going to bring back the industries that have left this country for cheaper labor overseas? how specifically are you going american manufacturers that you have to come back? donald trump: well, for one

thing, and before we start on that, my father gave me a very small loan in 1975 and i built worth o a company that's many, many billions of dollars with some of the greatest say ts in the world, and i that only because that's the kind of thinking our country needs. our country is in deep trouble. know what we're doing when it comes to devaluations and all of these countries all over the world, especially they're the best, the best ever at it. what they're doing to us is a very, very sad thing. so we have to do that. we have to renegotiate our trade deals. lester, they are taking our jobs. they're giving incentives. they're doing things that frankly we don't do. let me give you the example of mexico. they have a vat tax. we're on a different system. where we sell into mexico is a tax. where they sell an automatic 16% approximately. when they sell into us, there's tax. it's a defective agreement. a long en defective time, many years, but the politicians haven't done anything about it.

now, in all fairness to secretary clinton, yes -- is that okay? good. very happy.to be [laughter] it's very important to me. to secretary ss clinton, when she started talking about this, it was really very recently, she's years, oing this for 30 and why hasn't she made the agreements better? the nafta agreement is of the ve just because tax and many other reasons, but just because of the tax interrupt t: let me just a moment. donald trump: secretary clinton and others, as politicians, should have been doing this for now, because ight of the fact that we've created a movement. they should have been doing this for years. to our jobs and our country and our economy look, we owe $20 trillion. it any longer, lester. lester holt: back to the question, though. how do you specifically bring jobs, american manufacturers, how do you make them bring the jobs back? donald trump: the first thing let the jobs 't leave. the companies are leaving. i could name -- there are

thousands of them. leaving. and they're leaving in bigger numbers than ever. and what you do is you say, you want to go to mexico or some other country, good luck. we wish you a lot of luck. going you think you're to make your air conditioners or your cars or your cookies or you make and bring them into our country without a tax, you're wrong and once you tax you're going to have to them coming in -- and our politicians never do this, special they have interests and the special interests want those companies to leave because in many cases companies.the so what i'm saying is we can stop them from leaving. we have to stop them from that's a big, big factor. lester holt: let me let in. etary clinton hillary clinton: well, let's stop for a second and remember ago.re we were eight years we had the worst financial crisis, the great recession, the worst since the 1930s. that was, in large part, because of tax policies that wealthy, axes on the failed to invest in the middle

took their eyes off of wall street and created a perfect storm. fact, donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. back in 2006: gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money. well, it did collapse. donald trump: that's called way. ness, by the hillary clinton: 9 million people lost their jobs. 5 million people lost their trillion dollars in family wealth was wiped out. come back from that abyss, and it has not been on the o we're now precipice of having a potentially much better but the last thing we need to do is to go back to the policies that failed us in the first place. independent experts have looked at what i've proposed and what donald's proposed, and basically they've that if his tax plan -- which would blow up the

over $5 trillion, and instances some disadvantage middle class families compared to the into hy, were to go effect, we would lose 3.5 million jobs and maybe have recession. they've looked at my plan and said, okay, if we can do to get it d i intend done -- we will have 10 million more new jobs, because we will investments where we can grow the economy. take clean energy. thee country is going to be clean energy super power of the 21st century. donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. real. nk it's donald trump: i did not, i do not say that. hillary clinton: and i think it's important that we grip and deal with it, both at home and abroad. and here's what we can do. a billion loy a half more solar panels. we can have enough clean energy to power every home. a new modern electric grid.

that's a lot of jobs. that's a lot of new economic activity. so i've tried to be very specific about what we can and do, and i am determined that we're going to get the economy really moving again, building on the progress we've made over the last eight years, back to what ng got us in trouble in the first place. lester holt: mr. trump? she talks about solar panels. solar ested in the company, our country, that was a disaster on that one. now, look, i'm a great big believer in all forms of energy but we're putting a lot of people out of work. our energy policies are a disaster. our country is losing so much in terms of energy, in terms of paying off our debt. what you're trillion o do with 20 in debt. the obama administration, from the time they've come in, is 230 years' worth of debt and he's topped it. he's doubled it in the course eight years, 7.5 years to be semiexact.

you this. tell we have to do a much better job jobs, and we ur have to do a much better job at giving companies incentive to companies or to expand, because they're not doing it. and all you have to do is look and look at ohio and look at all of these places of their jobs and their companies are just the ng leaving, they're gone. and hillary, i ask you this, you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? 30 years you've been doing it and now you're just starting to think about solutions. me, i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. hillary clinton: well, actually, i have thought about bit. quite a donald trump: yeah, for 30 years? [laughter] hillary clinton: well, not quite that long. i think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s. i think a lot about what worked make it work n again. donald trump: well, he approved

nafta. trade deal worst ever approved. hillary clinton: incomes went up for everybody. manufacturing jobs also went up 1990s, if we're actually going to look at the facts. when i was in the senate, i had of trade deals that came before me. and i held them all to the same test. will they create jobs in america? will they raise incomes in america? for our they good national security? some of them i voted for. a e biggest one, multinational one known as against.i voted and because i hold the same standards as i look at all of these trade deals. but let's not assume that trade is the only challenge we have economy. i think it is a part of it, and i've said what i'm going to do. special g to have a prosecutor. we're going to enforce the trade deals we have, and we're going to hold people accountable. when i was secretary of state, we actually increased american globally 30%.

them to china 50%. so i know how to really work to get new jobs and to get exports help to create more new jo jobs. donald trump: but you haven't done it in 30 years or 26 years. hillary clinton: i've been a senator. donald trump: you haven't done it. hillary clinton: and i have secretary of state and i have done it. donald trump: your husband signed nafta which was one of ever orst things that happened to the manufacturing industry. hillary clinton: that is your opinion. donald trump: you go to new england, ohio, pennsylvania, go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation, where manufacturing is down 30, 40, sometimes 50%. worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve transpacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard what i was is, and you bad it said i can't win that debate. but you know that if did you approve that, and that would be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will ever top nafta.

hillary clinton: well, that is just not accurate. it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- theald trump: you called it gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. it's the finest deal you've ever seen. hillary clinton: no. donald trump: and then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were it. inst hillary clinton: well, donald, i know you live in your own reality [laughter] that is not the fact. the facts are, i did say i hoped it would be a good deal it was negotiated which i was not responsible for, i included it wasn't. i wrote about that is it trump: so president obama's fault? is it president obama's fault. hillary clinton: i wrote that you even announced. donald trump: is it president obama's fault? because he's pushing it. hillary clinton: there are views about what's good for our country, our in nomy, and our leadership the world. and i think it's important to look at what we need to do to going again.omy that's why i've said new jobs with rising incomes, in more tax not cuts that would add 5 trillion

debt. rs to the donald trump: but you have no plan. hillary clinton: oh, i do. donald trump: secretary, you have no plan. hillary clinton: i have written about it. it's called "stronger together." you can pick it up tomorrow at or an airport near you. but it's because i see this. growth, to have strong fair growth, sustained growth. we also have to look at how we families balance their responsibilities at home and the responsibilities of business. so we have a very robust set of plans, and people have looked plans, have our concluded that mine would create 10 million jobs and lose us 3.5 million us -- nd expose you are going to approve one of the biggest tax cuts in history. you are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history. you are going to drive business out. your regulations are a disaster, and you're going to increase regulations all over the place. by the way, my tax cut is the biggest since ronald

reagan. it.m very proud of it will create tremendous numbers of new jobs. but regulations, you are going businesses these out of existence. when i go around -- lester, i tell you this. i've been all over. and when i go around, despite things that the business that people like the most is the fact that i'm cutting regulation. have regulations on top of regulations, and new companies and old companies are going out of business, and you want to increase the regulations and make them even worse. i'm going to cut regulations. i'm going to cut taxes, big-league, and you are going to raise taxes big-league, end of story. lester holt: let me get you to pause right there because we're going to move into the next segment. hillary clinton: that can't -- i kind of assumed that there would be a lot of these claims, and so -- donald trump: facts. page have taken the home of my web site, hillaryclinton.com and turned

checker. a fact so if you want to see in real time what the facts are, please go and take a look. take a look : and at mine also. hillary clinton: it will not and a penny to the debt your plans would add $5 trillion to the debt. proposed would cut regulations and streamlined them for small businesses. would be ve proposed paid for by raising taxes on wealthy because they have made all the gains in the it's time d i think that the wealthy incorporations paid their fair share to support this. opened holt: you just the next segment. donald trump: could i just finish? our web site. take a look at our web site. she's going to raise taxes 1.3 trillion dollars. and look at her web site. you know what, it's no different than this. telling us how to fight isis. go to her web site. telling us how to fight

isis. i don't think general douglas macarthur would like that too much. hillary clinton: at least i have a plan to fight isis. donald trump: no, no. telling the economy everything you're wanting to do. hillary clinton: no we're not. donald trump: you're telling the economy everything you want to do. no wonder you've been fighting isis your entire adult life. that's a -- gon: to the fact checkers. go to work. are unpacking we a lot here and we're still on the issue of achieving prosperity and i want to talk taxes, the fundamental difference between the two of you concerns the wealthy. secretary clinton, you're tax increase on the wealthiest americans. i'd like you to further defend that and mr. trump, you're tax cuts for the wealthy. i'd like you to defend that in this next two minute answer to you, mr. trump. donald trump: well, i'm really calling for major jobs because wealthy are going to create tremendous jobs. they're going to expand their companys and do a tremendous job. getting rid of the carried interest provision and if you really look, it's really not a thing for the wealthy. it's a great thing for middle

class and it's a great thing and companies to expand when these companies are going to put billions and billions of dollars into companies and when they're going to bring 2.5 trillion dollars back from overseas, they can't bring the money back because politicians like secretary clinton won't allow them to bring the money taxes are so the and the bureaucrat red tape is so bad, so what they're doing is leaving our company, and they're believe it or not because taxes are too high and because some of them have lots of money outside of our country and instead of bringing it back and putting the money to work because they can't work out a deal it -- and agrees it should be brought back, instead of that, they're leaving our country to get their money because they can't bring their money back into our country because of bureaucrat red tape because they can't get together. because we have a president that can't sit them around a table and get them to approve something and here's the thing, democrats agree that this should be done.

2.5 trillion. it's double think that. it's probably $5 trillion that we can't bring into our country, lester and with a little leadership, you'd get it in here very quickly and it put to use on the inner cities and lots of other things and it would be beautiful, but we have no leadership. and honestly, that starts with secretary clinton. lester holt: you have two same question to defend tax increases on the wealthiest americans, secretary clinton. hillary clinton: i have a by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. not? ld trump: why [laughter] hillary clinton: yeah, why not? debate w, just join the by saying more crazy things. donald trump: there's nothing crazy about not letting our companies bring their money into this country. lester holt: this is secretary clinton's two minutes, please. hillary clinton: let's start again, lester. we've looked at your tax proposals. changes in the corporate tax rates or the

kinds of proposals you're to that would cause a repatriation, bringing back of stranded overseas. i happen to support that. a happen to support that in way that will actually work to our benefit. but when i look at what you proposed, you have what is called now the trump loophole, because it would so advantage you and the business you do. proposed an approach -- donald trump: who give gave it that. hillary clinton: -- you've presented a $4 billion tax benefit for your family. donald trump: how much for my family? hillary clinton: as i said, lester, it is trumped up trickle down. trickle down did not work. into the mess we were in in 2008 and 2009. slashing taxes on the wealthy hasn't worked and a lot of really smart, wealthy people they are saying, hey, we need to do more to make

the contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle class. i don't think top-down works in america. the middle lding class, investing in the middle debt-freeaking college so more young people can get their education, helping people tax, their debt from college at a lower rate. those are the kinds of things boost the really economy. broad-based, inclusive growth america, notneed in more advantages for people at the very top. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: typical politician, all talk, no sounds good, doesn't work, never going to happen. is suffering because people like secretary bad ton have made such decisions in terms of our jobs and in terms of what's going on. now, look, we have the worst revival of an economy since the depression, and believe me, we're in a bubble right

now, and the only thing that looks good is the stock market. but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that's going to come crashing down. big, fat ugly bubble, and we'd better be awfully careful, and we have a fed that's doing political things. janet yellen of the fed, this fed is doing political by interest rates at this level and believe me, the day obama goes off and he leaves coursees off to the golf the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you're going to see some bad things happen because the fed is not doing their job. the fed is being more political clinton.retary lester holt: mr. trump, we're talking about the burden that you icans have to pay, yet have not released your tax returns. and the reason nominees have released their returns for decades is so that voters will know if their potential owes money, who he owes it to, and any business conflicts. don't americans have a right to know if there are any conflicts

of interest? i don't mind releasing. i'm under a routine audit, and as soon as the audits are released.it will be you will learn more about donald trump by going down to the federal elections where i 104-page, essentially, financial statement of sorts, have.forms that they it shows income -- in fact, the income, i just looked today, is filed at $694 year.on for this past $694 million. you would have told me i was going to make that 15 or 20 i would have been very surprised. but that's the kind of thinking that our country needs. when we have a country that's badly, that's being ripped off by every single world, it's the kind of thinking that our country needs, because -- lester, we have a trade deficit with all of the countries that we do business with of almost $800 billion a year. know what that is? that means who's negotiating these trade deals?

that are eople political hacks negotiating our trade deals. has an holt: the i.r.s. audit of your taxes. you're perfectly free to taxes during an audit. does the public's right to know outweigh your personal -- release rump: i will them as soon as the audit -- i've been under audit almost 15 years. know a lot of wealthy people that have never been audited. i said, do you get audited? i get audited almost every year. in a way, i should be complaining. complain, in a way -- a lot of people don't get audited. i will say this. we have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. release my tax returns against my lawyers' wishes. releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted, releases them, i will release -- i will release returns. and that's against my lawyers -- they say, don't do

it. no, in tell you this -- fact, watching shows and reading the papers, almost says, you don't release your returns until the audit is complete. when the audit is complete, i'll do it. but i would go against them if she releases her e-mails. lester holt: so it's negotiable? donald trump: it's not negotiable, no. let her release the e-mails. 13,000. she delete lester holt: i'll let her answer that but i want to audience, we agreed on silence. secretary clinton. hillary clinton: i think you've seen another example of bait and switch here. for 40 years, everyone running released dent has their tax returns. you can go and see nearly i of our tax 0 years returns. but everyone has done it. we know the i.r.s. has made no prohibition on releasing it when you're under audit. ask yourself to why won't he release his tax returns? and i think there may be a reasons.of as rich aybe he's not

as he says he is. secretary, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about street andon to wall foreign banks. or maybe he doesn't want the people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal only years use the that anybody's ever seen were a to ple of years when he had turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and didn't pay any federal income tax. donald trump: that makes me smart. paid ry clinton: so he zero, that means zero for forops, zero for vets, zero schools or health, and i think probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see what are, because sons it must be something really

that tant, even terrible, he's trying to hide, and the financial disclosure statement, the tax 't give you rate. they don't give you all the details that tax returns would. seems to me that this is something that the american people deserve to see i have no reason to believe that he's ever going to release returns, because there's something he's hiding. and we'll guess. guessing at what it might be that he's hiding, but i think the question is, were ever to get near the white house, what would be those conflicts? owe money to? well, he owes you the answers and he should provide them. lester holt: he also raised the issue of your e-mails. do you want to respond to that? hillary clinton: i do. you know, i made a mistake e-mail. private donald trump: that's for sure. hillary clinton: and if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently. but i'm not going to make any excuses. it was a mistake.

for i take responsibility that. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: that was more than a mistake. that was done purposely. okay, that was not a mistake. that was done purposely. you have your staff taking the fifth amendment -- taking the fifth so they're not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal taking the fifth, i think it's disgraceful. and believe me, this country disgrace -- really thinks it's disgraceful also. returns, you tax don't learn that much from tax returns. that i can tell you. financial a lot from disclosure, and you should go down and take a look at that. extremely thing, i'm under-leveraged. the report that said 650 -- which by the way, a lot mine that know my business said boy, that's money.y not a lot of that's really not a lot of money relative to what i have. the buildings in question, they said in the same -- actually, it wasn't even a bad story to be honest with you but the buildings are

$3.9 billion and the 650 isn't even of that. but it's not 650. that.much less than but i could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, you a list of banks, very fine institutions and fine banks i could do that quickly. i am under leveraged, i have a have a ompany and tremendous income. i'm not saying that in a bragodocious way. it's about time somebody running this country has an idea about money. when we have $20 trillion in debt and our country is in debt -- it's one thing to have $20 trillion in debt and our roads and bridges are good, and everything is in great shape, are like from a third-world country. landland at laguardia, you at kennedy, lax, new a, and you dubai , china, you see these incredible airports land, we've become a third-world country.

so the worst of all things has happened. owe $20 trillion and we're a mass. started.'t even we've spent $6 trillion in the middle east according to a saw, whether i just it's 6 or 5, but it looks like it's 6. $6 trillion. in the middle east we could country twice,ur and it's really a shame. it's politicians like secretary clinton that have caused this problem. our country has tremendous problems. we're a debtor nation, serious debtor nation, and we have a country that needs new tunnels, new bridges, new airports, new schools, new hospitals, and we don't have the money because squandered on so many of your ideas. hillary clinton: and you haven't paid any federal income tax for a lot of years. [cheering] and the other n: thing that's important -- donald trump: it would be squandered too, believe me. hillary clinton: if your main to be president of the united states is your business, then i think we should talk

about that. you know, your campaign manager a lot of you built businesses on the backs of little guys. and, indeed, i have met a lot people who were stiffed by you and your businesses, donald. dishwashers, painters, installers, glass marble installers, drapery dad was, s, like my who you refused to pay when they finished the work that you to do.them in the an architect audience who designed one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. facility.autiful it immediately was put to use. what the ouldn't pay man needed to be paid, what he was charging you to do. donald trump: maybe he didn't good job and i was unsatisfied with his work, do ch our country should too. hillary clinton: to the thousands of people that you

have stiffed over the course of do they not s, deserve some kind of apology from someone who has taken their labor, taken the goods that they've produced and then them? ed to pay i can only say that i'm certainly relieved that my late father never did business with you. he provided a good middle class life for us, but the people he for, he expected the bargain to be kept on both sides. and when we talk about your business, you've taken bankruptcy six times. there are a lot of great have nevereople that taken bankruptcy once. you call yourself the king of debt. you talk about leverage. you even at one time suggested to negotiateld try down the -- donald trump: wrong. hillary clinton: -- national of the united states. well, sometimes there's not a direct transfer of skills from to government. but sometimes what happened in

business would be really bad for government. and we need to be very clear about that. donald trump: look. words.all it's all sound bytes. i've built an unbelievable company. some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the states,beyond the united europe, lots of different places. it's an unbelievable company. occasion, four times, we that are ain laws there. and when secretary clinton didn't bout people that get paid, first of all, they taking paid a lot, but advantage of the laws of the nation. if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long time, change the laws. but i take advantage of the laws of the nation, because i'm running the company. my obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies and that's what i do. is what she doesn't say that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably

happy and that love me. i'll give you an example. we're just opening up on next ylvania avenue right to the white house, so if i don't get there one way, i'm pennsylvania to avenue another. but we're opening the old post office. under budget, ahead of schedule, save tremendous money. i'm a year ahead of schedule. and that's what this country should be doing. we build roads and because two or three or four times what they're supposed to cost, we products for our military and they come at costs that are so far above what they were supposed to be because we don't that know what they're doing. when we look at the budget, the bad to a large extent because we have people that have no idea as to what to do to buy. the trump international is way budget and way ahead of schedule, and we should be able to do that for our country. well r holt: well, we're behind schedule so i want to move to our next segment.

segment into our next talking about america's direction and let's start talking about race. the share of americans who say relations are bad in this country is the highest it's been in decades. much of it amplified by shootings of african-americans by police, as we've seen in charlotte and tulsa. race has been a big issue in this campaign and one of you is very to have to bridge a wide and bitter gap. so how do you heal the divide? secretary clinton, you get two on this. hillary clinton: well, you're right. remains a significant our country. unfortunately, race still determines too much, often live, ines where people determines what kind of education in their public they can get and, yes, it determines how they're treated in the criminal justice system. those two seen tragic examples in both tulsa and charlotte. to do several things at the same time.

we have to restore trust and the communities police. we have to work to make sure are using the e best training, the best techniques, that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary. everyone should be respected by law, and everyone should respect the law. right now, that's not the case neighborhoods.r so i have -- ever since the first day of my called for criminal justice reform. that iaid out a platform think would begin to remedy some of the problems that have criminal justice system. but we also have to recognize in addition to the challenges we face with policing, there are so many good, brave equally fficers who want reform. so we have to bring communities

together in order to begin working on that as a mutual goal, and we've got to get guns hands of people who should not have them. the gun epidemic is the leading cause of death of young african-american men, more than nine causes put together. so we have to do two things, as we have to restore trust, we have to work with the police, we have to make sure communities the and the communities respect them, and we have to tackle the plague of gun violence, which to a lot contributor of the problems that we're seeing today. lester holt: mr. trump, you have two minutes. divide? ou heal the donald trump: first of all, want tary clinton doesn't to use a couple of words, and "order." aw" and we need law and order. if we don't have it, we're not going to have a country, and going on ok at what's in charlotte, a city i love, a city where i have investments, when i look at what's going on throughout various parts of our

keep naming can them all day long. we need law and order in our country. got today the -- as you know, the endorsement of police.aternal order of which just came in. endorsements from i think almost every police group, very -- a large percentage of them in the united states. we have a situation where we inner cities, african-americans, hispanics, because it'sn hell so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. had hicago, they've thousands of shootings, 1st.sands, since january thousands of shootings. i say, where is this? war-torn country? what are we doing? and we have to stop the violence. we have to bring back law and order. a place like chicago where thousands of people have been killed. thousands over the last number

years. in fact, almost 4,000 have been killed since barack obama president. over four -- almost 4,000 people in chicago have been killed. back law and ing order. now, whether or not in a place like chicago you do stop and worked very well. mayor giuliani is here. it worked very well in new york. brought the crime rate way down. but you take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be it.ving we have to gangs roaming the streets. and in many cases, they're illegally here. illegal immigrants. and they have guns and they shoot people. and we have to be very strong. we have to be very vigilant. we have to be -- we have to know what we're doing. our police, in many cases, are afraid to do anything. inner e to protect our cities, because african-american communities decimated by crime. your two minutes have expired to follow up. stop and frisk was ruled

unconstitutional in new york singled out argely black and hispanic young men. wrong.d trump: no, you're it went before a judge, who was against police job. it was taken away from her, and mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. they would have won on appeal. at it throughout the country there are many places. is ter holt: the argument it's a form of racial profile. donald trump: no, the argument is we have to take the guns away from people that are bad people that shouldn't have them. these are felons and these are people -- when you have 3,000 shootings in chicago from you have st, when 4,000 people killed in chicago from the beginning of the presidency of barack obama, you have to have stop and frisk. you need more police. better community, you know, relation.

you don't have good community relations in chicago. it's terrible. i have property there. it's terrible what's going on in chicago. look -- and chicago is not the only one. you go to ferguson. you go to so many different places. you need better relationships. i agree with secretary clinton on this. need better relationships between the communities and the police, because in some cases it's not good. where u look at dallas the relationships were really studied. really ationships were beautiful thing. and then five police officers killed. one night very violently. so there's some bad things some really bad things. but we need -- lester, we need law and order and we need and order in the inner cities because the people that are what's fected by happening are african-american and hispanic people, and it's unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to happen. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, i've donald say this at his

rallies, and it's really unfortunate that he'd paint such a dire negative picture of black communities in our country. you know, the vibrancy of the black church, the businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that families are working to there's for their kids, a lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting lifting up. but we do always have to make sure that we keep people safe. right ways of and then there are ways that are ineffective. stop and frisk was found to be unconstitutional. and, in part, because it was ineffective. and then there ar ways it did not do what it needed to do. now, i believe in community policing. and, in fact, violent crime is it was in f what 1991. property crime is down 40%.

we just don't want to see it creep back up. years of very good cooperation, but there were problems, some unintended consequences. too many young latino -americans and men ended up in jail for and it's nt offenses, just a fact that if you're a young african-american man and as a o the same thing young white man, you are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated. the e've got to address systemic racism in our criminal justice system. "law and just say order." we have to say -- we have to a plan that with is going to divert people from criminal justice system, deal with mandatory minimum sentences which have put too away for too long for doing too little.

we need to have more second-chance programs. i'm glad that we're ending private prisons in the federal system. i want to see them ended in the state system. you shouldn't have a profit motivation to fill prison cells with young americans. so there are some positive ways this, and i on common strongly that sense gun safety measures would assist us. right now -- and this is donald has supported, along with the gun we've got ight now, too many military style weapons on the streets. a lot of places, our police are out-gunned. we need comprehensive and we need hecks, to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm, and finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who's on the terrorist watch list from to buy a gun in our country. if you're too dangerous to fly, a u are too dangerous to buy gun. so there are things we can do, and we ought to do it in a

bipartisan way. lester holt: secretary clinton, last week, you said we've got to do everything possible to improve policing to at implicit bias. do you believe that police are implicitly biased against black people? hillary clinton: lester, i think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police. i think unfortunately, too many jumps in our great country to conclusions about each other. therefore, i think we need all of us to be asking hard questions about, you know, why am i feeling this way? but when it comes to policing, literally, n have, fatal consequences, i have said in my first budget, we would money into that budget to implicit biaswith by retraining a lot of our police officers. i've met with a group of very distinguished, experienced police chiefs a few weeks ago. they admit it's an issue. a lot of concerns. mental health is one of the biggest concerns, because now

to handle a aving lot of really difficult mental health problems on the street. they want support. they want more training. they want more assistance. and i think the federal government could be in a position where we would offer and provide that. donald trump: i'd like to respond. first of all, i agree, and a within my ple even own party want to give certain rights to people on watch lists lists.o-fly i agree with you. when a person is on a watch and i r a no-fly list have the endorsement of the n.r.a., which i'm very proud of. people and ery good they are protecting the second amendment, but i think we have to look very strongly at no-fly and watch lists and when people are on there, even if they shouldn't be on there, help help them, we'll them legally get off, but i tend to agree with that, quite strongly. bring up the fact that you were the one that brought up the word "super predator" about young, black youth and that's a term that i

think was a term that's been horribly met, as you know, and i think you've apologized for it, but i think it was a to say.e thing and when it comes to stop and frisk, you're talking about guns away. i'm talking about taking guns away from gangs and people that use them and i don't think -- i really don't think you disagree with me on this, if you want to know the truth. there's a ybe political reason why you can't say it, but i really don't believe. in new york city, stop and frisk -- we had 2200 murders and stop and frisk there's a brought it eason why down to 500 murders. 500 murders is a lot of murders. 500 is like eve supposed to be good. 500 we went from 2200 to and it was continued on by mayor bloomberg and it was current mayor the but stop and frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of new york city, tremendous beyond belief. so when you say it has no impact, it really did. really big impact. hillary clinton: well, it's also fair to say if we're going

that underout mayors the current mayor, crime has continued to drop, including murders. donald trump: you're wrong. no, i'm not. on: donald trump: murders are up. all right, you check it. hillary clinton: new york has job, and i cellent give credit. i give credit across the board mayors, two two chiefs and it has worked because other communities need to come together to do what will work as well. one murder is too many. but it is important that we about what has been effective and not go to things didt sound good that really not have the kind of impact that we would want. disagrees with keeping neighborhoods safe? one let's also add, no should disagree about respecting the rights of young who live in those neighborhoods. and so we need to do a better

job again of working with the communities, face communities, business communities, as well this lice to deal with problem. lester holt: this issue is about race. so mr. trump. may i respond? lester holt: please respond follow-up. have a donald trump: the african-american community has been let down by our politicians. they talk good around election like right now and after the election, they said, see you later. years.see you in four the african-american community -- look, the community within the inner cities has been so badly treated, they've been abused in order to get votes by democrat politicians because that's what it is. they've controlled these communities for up to 100 years. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: it's broken. and i will tell you, you look at the inner cities, and i just and i just left philadelphia. you've seen me. i've been all over the place. home, and ed to stay that's okay. [laughter] donald trump: but i will tell

you, i've been all over and some of the greatest people i'll ever meet within these communities and they are what very upset with their politicians have told them and what their politicians done. hillary clinton: i think that -- i think donald just criticized me for preparing for debate. and, yes, i did. and you know what else i for? red i've prepared to be president, and i think that's a good thing. [applause]. lester holt: mr. trump for five years, you've perpetuated false claim that the president's first black president was not a natural born citizen. questioned his legitimacy. the last couple of weeks you most wledged what americans have accepted for years, that the president was born in the united states. well, it's very simple to say. sydney bloomenthal works for campaign and a very close friend of secretary clinton, campaign manager, patty

went to the campaign, her campaign against president and a, fought very hard, you can go look it up and you can check it out, and if you week, at cnn this past patty doyle was on wolf blitzer that this happened, sent mcclathchy, a highly respected president, to question the president very hard about it, she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. give the birth certificate so i'm satisfied with it and i'll tell you why i'm satisfied with it, because on to defeating isis, because i want to get on creating jobs, because i want having a strong border, because i want to get on to things that are very and that are me very important to the country. lester holt: i'll let you respond, but i just want to get here.nswer the birth certificate was produced in 2011.

you've continued to tell the questioned the president's legitimacy in 2012, recently as 5, as january. so the question is, what changed your mind? donald trump: well, nobody was pressing it. nobody was caring much about it. i figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course, but nobody was caring much about t but i was the one that the birth produce certificate and i think i did a good job. secretary clinton also fought it. mean, you know, now, everybody will say oh, it's not true. it's true. sydney bloomenthal sent the reporter. you just have to take a look at cnn, last week, the interview with your former campaign involved.and she was but just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. sorry.r holt: i'm i'm going to follow up but i will let you respond to that. there's a lot there. we're talking about racial healing in this segment. what do you say to americans of color. i say nothing because i was able to get him to produce it.

he should have been produced it a long time before. i say nothing. but let me just tell you, when you talk about healing, i think very, very good relationships over the last little while with the community.erican i think you can see that. and i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion, and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country, but even for the president in his ing him to produce birth certificate. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, just listen to what you heard. [laughter] hillary clinton: and clearly, as donald just admitted, he stand e was going to be ing ing on this debate stage and lester just asked the question, and he would put this whole it ist thing to bed but can't be dismissed that easily. he has really started his based on activity this racist lie that our first

was not an dent american citizen. there was absolutely no evidence for it. persisted. he persisted year after year some of his supporters, trying to t he was bring into his fold apparently believed it or wanted to believe it. but remember, donald started 1973 being back in sued by the justice department discrimination, because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans and he made sure that the people who worked that was therstood policy. he actually was sued twice by justice department. of he has a long record engaging in racist behavior. birther lie was a very

hurtful one. of great ama is a man dignity, and i could tell how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this was being used against him, but i'd like to remember what michelle obama said in her speech at our democratic national convention. go low, we go high, and barack obama went high donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. lester holt: mr. trump, you on. respond and we'll move donald trump: i'd love to respond. first of all, i got to watch in preparing for some of your debates against obama. treated him with terrible disrespect. and i watched how you talk about how lovely everything is wonderful you are. doesn't work that way. you were after him. send out, oring to your campaign sent out pictures of him in a certain garb, very pictures. i don't think you can deny that. but last week, your campaign

manager said it was true. try to act holier than thou, it really doesn't work. it really doesn't. now, as far as the lawsuit, yes, when i was very young, i went into my father's company, he had a real estate company in brooklyn, in queens, and we, many other countries, by federal lawsuit, were sued, and we settled without guilt.ion of it was easy to do. i notice you bring that up a lot and i notice the nasty commercials doing on me in so many different ways, which i don't do on you, maybe i'm trying to the money. but frankly, i look at that and i say, isn't that amazing? settled that lawsuit of guilt.dmission but that was a lawsuit brought against many real estate firms. one of those things. i'll go one step further. florida, a ach, brilliant community, probably the wealthiest community there

opened the orld, i club, and really got great for it. no discrimination against african-americans, against muslims, against anybodi, and a tremendously successful club and i'm so glad i did it, i have been given great credit for what i did, and i'm very, very proud of it. and that's the way i feel. that's the true way i feel. segment olt: our next is called securing america. we want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in this country. our institutions are under cyber attack, and our secrets are being stolen. is, who's behind it, and how do we fight it? secretary clinton, this answer to you. hillary clinton: well, i think cyber security, cyber warfare of the biggest challenges facing the next president because clearly, two e facing at this point different kinds of adversaries.

there are the independent hacking groups that do it reasons or commercial to try to steal information that they then can use to make money. increasingly, we are seeing cyber attacks coming from states, organs of states. the most recent troubling of these has been russia. there's no doubt now that attacks as used cyber against all kinds of organizations in our country and i am deeply concerned about this and i know donald is very praiseworthy of vladimir putin tough tin is playing a long game here and one of the things he's done is to let cyber attackers to hack into government files, to hack into personal files, hack the democratic national committee. and we recently have learned that this is one of their

methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect information. we need to make it very clear, whether it's russia, china, iran, or anybody else, the united states has much greater capacity, and we are not going sit idly by and permit state to go after our information, our private sector information or our public information. makewe're going to have to it clear that we don't want to use the kind of tools that we have, we don't want to engage kind of warfare, but we will defend the citizens of this country, and the russians need to understand that. i think they've been treating it as almost a probing, how far would we go? how much would we do? and that's why i was so shocked invited ald publicly putin to hack into americans.

that is just unacceptable. of the reasons why 50 national security officials who serve in public information has said that donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. like that that really worry people who understand the threats that we face. lester holt: mr. trump, you minutes on the same question. donald trump: and i do want to say that i was just endorsed more are coming next week. it will be over 200 admirals. here. of them are admirals and generals endorsed country.ad this that just happened and many are coming. i'm very proud of it. in addition, i was just endorsed by ice. never endorsed anybody before, on immigration. i was just endorsed by ice. endorsed t recently 16,500 border patrol agents. secretary clinton talks about this, i'll take the admirals and i'll take the generals any day over the hacks that i see that have led our country so

brilliantly over the last 10 knowledge, their okay, because look at the mess that we're in. look at the mess we're in. as far as the cyber, i agree, to parts of what secretary clinton said. should be better than anybody else and perhaps we're not. i don't think anybody knows that it was russia that broke dnc.o the she's saying russia, russia, russia. maybe it was. but it couldrussia be china. it could be lots of other people. somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay. you don't know who broke into dnc. but what did we learn with dnc? we learned that bernie sanders of by your dvantage people, by debbie wasserman schultz. look what happened to her. taken sanders was advantage of. now, whether that was russia, whether it was china, whether it was another country, we know, because the truth is another president obama we've lost control of things that we used to have control

over. we came in with the internet, we came up with the internet and i think secretary clinton agree very would much when you look at what isis is doing with the internet, at our own ting us game, isis. so we have to get very tough on warfare.nd cyber problem. huge i have a son. he's 10 years old. he has computers. he is so good with these computers. it's unbelievable. the security aspect of cyber is it's tough and maybe hardly doable. but i will say, we are not we should be doing but that's true throughout our whole governmental society. we have so many things we have to do better lester and cyber is one of them. secretary t: clinton. hillary clinton: i think there are a number of issues that we should be addressing. a plan to forth defeat isis. it does involve going after online. i think we need to do much more

companies to prevent isis and their able to es from being radicalize ernet to people radicalize people directly in our country and europe and elsewhere, but we have to intensify our air strikes against isis and arab andly support our kurdish partners to be able to take out isis in rocca icaica icaica icaical ng aical caliphate. we're making progress with iraq hoping to within a year make progress out of iraq and really squeeze them in syria but we have to be cognizant of the fact that we've had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for the foreign money, foreign weapons, make this the top priority and i would also do

take outng possible to their leadership. i was involved in a number of take out al-qaida leadership when i was secretary of state, including of course out bin laden and we baghdady as fter well, make it one of our principles because we have to have to do and everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online. when you mention isis, we think of isis over there. but there have been american who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on of course, the and st attacks in new york knife attacks, and san bernardino and orlando. how would ou both, you prevent home-grown attacks by american citizens? donald trump: first, you have thing, very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. out isis.ake

president obama and secretary a vacuum the ed way they got out of iraq, they got out what they shouldn't have been in. way once they got in, the they got out was a disaster and isis was formed. she talks about taking them out. she's been doing it a long time. she's been trying to take them out a long time. wouldn't even have been formed if they left some troops behind, like 10,000 or that,e something more than and then you wouldn't have had them. or as i've been saying for a time and i think you'll agree because i said it to you once. i believe taking the oil -- and we should have taken the oil -- isis would not have been able to form either because the ofl was their primary source income. and now they have the oil all a lot he place including of the oil in libya, which was another one of her disasters. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard.

invasion pported the of iraq. donald trump: wrong. hillary clinton: that is proved over and over again. donald trump: wrong. actually linton: he advocated for the actions we libya and urged out after taken doing business with them. he says this constantly, is george w. bush made the agreement about when american iraq, not ld leave obama. and the only way that american troops could have stayed in iraq is to get an agreement from the then iraqi government that would have protected our troops, and the iraqi government would not give that. but let's talk about the lester.on you asked, the question you asked is what do we do here in the united states? that's the most important part of this. do we prevent attacks? how do we protect our people? we've got to have an intelligence surge where we

scrap of ng for every information. i was so proud of law enforcement in new york, in minnesota, in new jersey. you know, they responded so quickly, so professionally to that occurred by rahami , and they brought him find out more ay information because he is still to be anhich may prove intelligence benefit. so we've got to do everything to vacuum up intelligence from europe, from the middle east, that means closely t to work more with our allies. that hat's something donald has been very dismissive of. we are working with nato, the longest military alliance in the history of the world, to really turn our attention to terrorism. working with our friends in the middle east, many of muslim s you know are majority nations. consistently

insulted muslims abroad and at we need to be cooperating with muslim nations and the muslim american community. they're on the front lines. they can provide information to us that we may not get anywhere else. to have close working operation with law enforcement in these communities, not be pushed away as some of donald's rhetoric has led to.ly respond. olt: please donald trump: the secretary said very strongly about been ng with -- we've working with them for many years, and we have the greatest mess anyone's ever seen. east.look at the middle it's a total mess. under your direction, to a large extent. but you look at the middle east. you started the iran deal. that's anothereaountry ready t badly.ere doing so they were choking on the sanctions and they're going to be a major power at some point the way they're going. but when you look at nato -- i

show, sking on a major what do you think of nato. i'm a businessman. but i have common sense. tell you, i , i'll haven't given lots of thought to nato but two things. number 1, the 28 countries of nato, many of them aren't paying their fair share. me, er 2, that bothers because we're defending them and they should be at least paying us what they're supposed and e paying by treaty contract, and, number 2, i said and very strongly, nato could obsolete because -- and i was very strong on this, and it was actually covered very in the new york times which is unusual for the new york times, to be honest. said they do not focus on terror, and i was very strong. times.said it numerous and about four months ago i read on the front page of the nato street journal that is opening up a major terror division and i think that's great. and i think we should get -- because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of nato, it's a lot of money to

people, but i'm all for nato, but i said they have to focus on terror also. that.hey're going to do and that was, believe me, not going to get credit for it, but of t was largely because what i was saying and my criticism of nato. i think we have to get nato to go into the middle east with us, in addition to surrounding we have to knock the hell out of isis and we have to do it fast. vacuumsis formed in this created by barack obama and secretary clinton, believe me, you were the ones that took out the troops -- not only that, you couldn't day -- they believe it. they sat back and said probably -- wait a minute. when they formed -- this is something that never should have happened. happened. have never you're talking about taking out isis, but you were there and you were secretary of state it was a little infant. now it's in over 30 countries. them? ou're going to stop i don't think so. lester holt: mr. trump, a lot

of these are judgment questions. war in e supported the iraq before the invasion. what makes your judgment. donald trump: i did not support war in iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because frankly, i think the best person in her campaign is main media. wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. lester holt: the record shows otherwise. not show ump: it does that. the record shows that i'm right. interview with howard stern, very lightly, first time anyone's asked me very lightly, i don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially. an interview with neil cavuto. we talked about the economy is more important. hanity.spoke to sean i had numerous conversations hanity at fox spshgs

he called me the other day and i spoke to him about it, he said you were totally against it, excuse me, it was before started. sean hanity said strongly, to me and other people and he's to say but nobody wants to call him. he said i was against the war. fights with me because sean was in favor of the war. and i understand that side also, not very much because we shouldn't have been there. nobody calls sean hanity and an article in the major magazine shortly after the war started i think in '04, an article which had me totally against the war your aq, and one of compatriates said you know, whether it was before or right was r, trump definitely -- if you read this article, there was no doubt. would call up sean hanity -- this was before the war started, he and i used to war. arguments about the i said it's a terrible and a stupid thing. destabilize the middle east, and that's exactly what it's done.

lester holt: my reference is what you had said in 2002, is my question was, why your judgment any different than mrs. clinton. donald trump: i have much she does.dgment than there's no question about that. i also have much better temperament than she has, you know. i have much better -- let me tell you. she spent hundreds of millions dollars on advertising uber kn know, they get madison avenue into a room. i think my strongest asset far is by temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. does not. the other day, behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out o

but it was not enough. so i spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included russia and china to impose the toughest sanctions on iran. drive them to the negotiating table. and my successor, john kerry and president obama got a deal that put a lid on iran's nuclear program. without firing a single shot. that is diplomacy. that is coalition building. that is working with other nations. donalder day, i saw saying there were some iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of iran and they were taunting american sailors on a nearby share. they taunted our sailors and i would blow them out of the water and start another war. that is not good judgment. that is not the right temperament to be commander in chief.

he has said repeatedly that he nations --e if other it has been the policy of the he even said -- if there were it -- if there was a nuclear war in ace -- east asia, have a good time. fact, his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling. that is the number one threat we face in the world and it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material. so a man that is provoked i a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear code.

mr. trump: it is not an accurate one at all. the single greatest problem the world has is nuclear armament and nuclear weapons. not global warming like you think and your president thinks. nuclear is the single greatest threat. to go down the list, we defend japan. we defend germany and south korea and saudi arabia. they do not pay as but they should be paying us because we are providing a tremendous service and we are losing a fortune. we cannot defend japan, a

behemoth selling cars by the millions. : we need to move on. mr. trump: they have to help us out. as far as nuclear is concerned, i agree. it is the single greatest threat that this country has. mr. lester holt: which leads me to our last question in the last segment. support the current policy. mr. trump? trump: what secretary clinton was talking about nuclear and russia. she is a cavalier but russia has has a muching -- it newer capability than we do. we have not been updating.

old enough that your father or grandfather could be flying them. we are not keeping up with other countries. i would like everyone to get rid of it but i would certainly not due for strike. once the nuclear alternative happens, it is over. at the same time, we have to be prepared. i cannot take anything off the table. look at north korea, we are doing nothing there. china should solve that problem for us. china should go into north korea. china is totally powerful as related to north korea. iran is one of the biggest trading partners. when they made that horrible deal with iran, they should have included the fact that they do something with respect to north korea. and they should have done something with respect to yemen.

why they didn't add more into the deal, one of the great giveaways including $400 million in cash, no one has ever seen that before. obviously for the hostages, it looks that way. you say to yourself, why did they not big the right deal. this is one of the worst deals made by any country in history. lead to with iran will nuclear problems. i met with prime minister netanyahu. let me start by saying that words of matter. when you run for president.

are president. i want to reassure our allies in japan, south korea, and elsewhere that we have mutual defense treaty and we will honor them. americansntial that be trusted. word onbehalf of myself and behalf of the majority of the american people i want to say that our word is good. weis also important that look at the entire global situation. there is no doubt that we have other problems with iran but personally, i would rather deal with the program. donald never tells you what he would do. would he have started a war.

would he have bombed iran? to criticizeg ideal that has been very successful in giving us access to iranian facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be. but it is like his plan to defeat isis, he says it is a secret. but the only secret is that he has no plan. we need to be more precise about how we discussed these issues. trying to get hints about what we would do. can they rely on us? will we lead the world with to make decisions that will further peace and prosperity but also stand up to bullies whether they are abroad

or at home. we cannot let those who would try to destabilize the world, to interfere with american interests and security. mr. trump: right now, it is getting tougher and tougher to to defeat them. we are losing billions and billions of dollars. we cannot be the policeman of the world. you have to have some basic

ability. sadly, she does not. all of the things it she is talking about could have been taken care of in the last 10 years while she had great power but they were not taking care of. if she ever wins this race, they will not be taken care of. holt: earlier this month, it you said that mrs. clinton does not have a presidential look. what did you mean by that? mr. trump: i said she does not have the stamina. and i do not believe that she does. to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. mr. holt: the quote was -- trump: you have to be able to negotiate trade deals with japan, saudi arabia.

all you have to do is speak to them. you have so many different things you have to be able to do and i do not believe that hillary has the stamina. mrs. clinton: as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiate a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of newidents and opening up opportunities in nations around the world or even spent 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. [applause] mr. trump: hillary has experience but it is bad experience. we have made so many bad deals -- she does have experience, but it is bad experience. whether it is the iran deal that you are so in love with.

she does have experience but it is bad experience. mrs. clinton: he tried to switch from looks to stamina that this is a man that has called women pigs, slobs, and dogs. someone who has said that pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. who has said that women do not deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. and one of the worst things that a woman in about beauty contest. he loves spewed he contests supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was

latina. she has a name. a u.s. citizen and you can bet that she is going to vote this november. holt: you have 10 seconds. mr. trump: hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. you want to know the truth? i was going to say something extremely rough to hillary and her family and i said to myself -- i cannot do that. it is inappropriate. it is not nice. but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me. many of which are absolutely untrue. they are untrue and misrepresentations.

it is not nice and i do not deserve that. but it is not a nice thing that she has done. it is hundreds of millions of ads -- and really gratifying thing is that i sell the polls come in today and with all of that money, i am either winning or ties. holt: one of you will not win the election so i found a question -- so my final question is will you accept the will of the voters? clinton: sometimes you win. sometimes you lose. but i will certainly support the outcome of the election. i know donald is trying hard to plant doubts about that but i hope the people understand that this election is really up to you. it is not about us but about you and your families and the kind of country and future that you want. so i hope you will get out and vote as of your future depends

on it because i think it does. mr. trump: i want to make america great again. we are a nation that is seriously troubled. we are losing our jobs. people are pouring into our country. the other day we were deporting 800 people and perhaps they pressed the wrong button or perhaps worse than that it was corruption but these people that we were going to deport, ended up becoming citizens. and it was 800 and now it turns out it may be 1800 and they do not even know. i want to make america great again. i will be able to do it. i do not believe that hillary will. the answer is that if she wins, i will absolutely support her. mr. holt: that concludes our debate this evening. it was a spirited one. the next presidential debate is andduled for october 8

october 19 at the university of nevada, las vegas. the conversation will continue. is vice presidential debate scheduled for october 4 in farm wood, virginia. clinton, to hillary donald trump, and hofstra university. good night everyone. [applause] [cheering and applause] shouting]

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the head of the homeland security department jeh johnson and fbi director james comey testify about homeland security threats. they will be joined by the director of the national counterterrorism center. hearing regions this morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3. in the afternoon, a look at a recent government report on the bayouor stronger research. that is at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. can watch online at c-span.org or live on the c-span radio app. donald trump and hillary clinton debated at hofstra university in hampstead, new york. topics included the economy, race, and national security. threeas the first of presidential debates. the moderator was lester holt of

nbc news. lester holt: good evening from hofstra university in hempstead, new york. lester holt, anchor of nbc nightly news. the participants tonight are and hillary clinton. this debate is sponsored by the presidential debates, a nonpartial nonpartisan organization. commissioner has drafted the format and the rules have been agreed to. dividedminute debate is into six segments, each 15 minutes long. topic areasre three tonight: achieving prosperity, america's direction, and securing america. start of each segment, i will ask the same lead-off question to both candidates, have up to ll each two minutes to respond. from that point until the end have an egment, we'll open discussion. the questions are mine, and have not been shared with the campaign's.or the the audience here in the room

has agreed to remain silent so that we can focus on what the are saying. i will invite you to applaud, however, at this moment as we candidates, democratic nominee for president of the united states, hillary clinton, and republican nominee for president of the donald j. trump. [cheering and applause] to ald trump: good luck you. lester holt: well, i don't us to cover all the issues of this campaign tonight there areind everyone two more presidential debates scheduled. we will focus on the issues voters tell us are most

important. i am honored to have this role but this evening belongs to the and just as important to the american people, candidates, we look forward to hearing you policies and ur your positions as well as your visions and your values. let's begin. we're calling this opening segment "achieving prosperity" central to that is jobs. there are two economic realities in america today. been a record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers show incomes have increased at a record rate after years of stagnation. inequality come remains significant and nearly half of americans are living paycheck. to beginning with you, secretary clinton, why are you a better to ice than your opponent create the kinds of jobs that will put more money into the pockets of american workers? hillary clinton: thank you, lester, and thanks to hofstra hosting us. the central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what

kind of future we'll build together. granddaughter's second birthday, so i think about this a lot. first, we have to build an that works for everyone, not just those at the top. jobs, eans we need new good jobs, with rising incomes. i want us to invest in you. invest in your future. that means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean renewable and small business, because most of the new jobs will come from small business. make the ave to economy fairer. that starts with raising the wage and also um guarantee finally equal pay for womens' work. i also want to see more companies do profit sharing. the profits,create you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top. do more to us to support people who are to balance family

and work. i've heard from so many of you youut the difficult choices face and the stresses that you're under. have paid family leave, earned sick days. let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college. how are we going to do it? we're going to do it by having their fair pay share and close the corporate loopholes. tonight are on the stage together, donald trump and i. to be with s good you. we're going to have a debate we are talking about the important issues facing our country. you have to judge us. who can shoulder the immense awesome responsibilities of the presidency? can put into action the plans that will make your life better? will be able to earn your vote on november 8th. lester holt: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, the same question to you. about putting more money

into american workers. you have two minutes. donald trump: thank you, lester. our jobs are fleeing the country. they're going to mexico. they're going to many other countries. at what china is doing to our country in terms of making our product. devaluing their currency and there's nobody in our government to fight them and we have a very good fight winning fight, because they're using our country as a piggybank to and many other countries are doing the same thing. good jobs, sing our so many of them. when you look at what's happening in mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants said it's the eighth wonder of the world. building some of the biggest plants anywhere in the world, some of the most sophisticated and best plants. with the united states, as you said, not so much. so ford is leaving. see that there's division, leaving. thousands of jobs, leaving michigan, leaving ohio. they're all leaving and we can't allow it to happen anymore. childcare is

concerned and so many other things, i think hillary and i agree on that. disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do, but be talking about that later. but we have to stop our jobs from us.ng stolen we have to stop our companies leaving the united states and with it, firing all of their people. you have to do is take a look at carrier air indianapolis.in they fired 1400 people. they're going to mexico. so many hundreds and hundreds doing this.s are we cannot let it happen. under my plan, i will be reducing taxes tremendously 15% for companies, small and big businesses. that's going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since ronald reagan. it's going to be a beautiful watch.to companies will come. they will build. they will expand. will start, and i look very, very much forward to

doing it. we have to renegotiate our and we have to stop these countries from stealing our jobs.nies and lester holt: secretary clinton, would you like to respond? hillary clinton: i think that is an important issue. of course, we are 5% of the world's population. we have to trade with the other and we need to have smart, fair trade deals. need to have ah, tax system that rewards work and not just financial transactions. and the kind of plan that donald has put forth would be economics all over again. in fact, it would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this country than we've ever had. i call it trumped-up trickle down, because that's exactly what it would be. that is not how we grow the economy. we just have a different view what's best for growing the economy, how we make investments that will actually and rising s

incomes. i think we come at it from somewhat different perspectives. i understand that. you know, donald was very and unate in his life, that's all to his benefit. with arted his business $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be, and that everything will work out from there. buy that. i have a different experience. my father was a small businessman. worked really hard. he printed drapery fabrics on out tables where you pull those fabrics and he went down with the silk screen and dumped the paint in and took squeegee and kept going. so what i believe is the more we can do for the middle class, we can invest in you, your education, your skills, the better we will be off and the better we'll grow. that's the kind of economy i again. to see lester holt: let me follow up with mr. trump, if i can. you talked about creating 25 promised obs and you to bring back millions of jobs

for americans. how are we going to bring back the industries that have left this country for cheaper labor overseas? how specifically are you going american manufacturers that you have to come back? donald trump: well, for one thing, and before we start on that, my father gave me a very small loan in 1975 and i built worth o a company that's many, many billions of dollars with some of the greatest say ts in the world, and i that only because that's the kind of thinking our country needs. our country is in deep trouble. know what we're doing when it comes to devaluations and all of these countries all over the world, especially they're the best, the best ever at it. what they're doing to us is a very, very sad thing. so we have to do that. we have to renegotiate our trade deals. lester, they are taking our jobs. they're giving incentives. they're doing things that frankly we don't do. let me give you the example of mexico. they have a vat tax. we're on a different system. where we sell into mexico is a tax. where they sell an automatic

16% approximately. when they sell into us, there's tax. it's a defective agreement. a long en defective time, many years, but the politicians haven't done anything about it. now, in all fairness to secretary clinton, yes -- is that okay? good. very happy.to be [laughter] it's very important to me. to secretary ss clinton, when she started talking about this, it was really very recently, she's years, oing this for 30 and why hasn't she made the agreements better? the nafta agreement is of the ve just because tax and many other reasons, but just because of the tax interrupt t: let me just a moment. donald trump: secretary clinton and others, as politicians, should have been doing this for now, because ight of the fact that we've created a movement. they should have been doing this for years. to our jobs and our country and our economy look, we owe $20 trillion. it any longer,

lester. lester holt: back to the question, though. how do you specifically bring jobs, american manufacturers, how do you make them bring the jobs back? donald trump: the first thing let the jobs 't leave. the companies are leaving. i could name -- there are thousands of them. leaving. and they're leaving in bigger numbers than ever. and what you do is you say, you want to go to mexico or some other country, good luck. we wish you a lot of luck. going you think you're to make your air conditioners or your cars or your cookies or you make and bring them into our country without a tax, you're wrong and once you tax you're going to have to them coming in -- and our politicians never do this, special they have interests and the special interests want those companies to leave because in many cases companies.the so what i'm saying is we can stop them from leaving. we have to stop them from that's a big, big factor. lester holt: let me let in. etary clinton hillary clinton: well, let's stop for a second and remember ago.re we were eight years we had the worst financial

crisis, the great recession, the worst since the 1930s. that was, in large part, because of tax policies that wealthy, axes on the failed to invest in the middle took their eyes off of wall street and created a perfect storm. fact, donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. back in 2006: gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money. well, it did collapse. donald trump: that's called way. ness, by the hillary clinton: 9 million people lost their jobs. 5 million people lost their trillion dollars in family wealth was wiped out. come back from that abyss, and it has not been on the o we're now precipice of having a potentially much better but the last thing we need to do is to go back to the policies that failed us in the first place.

independent experts have looked at what i've proposed and what donald's proposed, and basically they've that if his tax plan -- which would blow up the over $5 trillion, and instances some disadvantage middle class families compared to the into hy, were to go effect, we would lose 3.5 million jobs and maybe have recession. they've looked at my plan and said, okay, if we can do to get it d i intend done -- we will have 10 million more new jobs, because we will investments where we can grow the economy. take clean energy. thee country is going to be clean energy super power of the 21st century. donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. real. nk it's donald trump: i did not, i do not say that. hillary clinton: and i think it's important that we grip and deal with it, both at

home and abroad. and here's what we can do. a billion loy a half more solar panels. we can have enough clean energy to power every home. a new modern electric grid. that's a lot of jobs. that's a lot of new economic activity. so i've tried to be very specific about what we can and do, and i am determined that we're going to get the economy really moving again, building on the progress we've made over the last eight years, back to what ng got us in trouble in the first place. lester holt: mr. trump? she talks about solar panels. solar ested in the company, our country, that was a disaster on that one. now, look, i'm a great big believer in all forms of energy but we're putting a lot of people out of work. our energy policies are a disaster. our country is losing so much in terms of energy, in terms of paying off our debt. what you're trillion o do with 20 in debt.

the obama administration, from the time they've come in, is 230 years' worth of debt and he's topped it. he's doubled it in the course eight years, 7.5 years to be semiexact. you this. tell we have to do a much better job jobs, and we ur have to do a much better job at giving companies incentive to companies or to expand, because they're not doing it. and all you have to do is look and look at ohio and look at all of these places of their jobs and their companies are just the ng leaving, they're gone. and hillary, i ask you this, you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? 30 years you've been doing it and now you're just starting to think about solutions. me, i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. hillary clinton: well, actually, i have thought about bit. quite a donald trump: yeah, for 30

years? [laughter] hillary clinton: well, not quite that long. i think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s. i think a lot about what worked make it work n again. donald trump: well, he approved nafta. trade deal worst ever approved. hillary clinton: incomes went up for everybody. manufacturing jobs also went up 1990s, if we're actually going to look at the facts. when i was in the senate, i had of trade deals that came before me. and i held them all to the same test. will they create jobs in america? will they raise incomes in america? for our they good national security? some of them i voted for. a e biggest one, multinational one known as against.i voted and because i hold the same standards as i look at all of these trade deals. but let's not assume that trade is the only challenge we have economy. i think it is a part of it, and i've said what i'm going to do. special g to have a prosecutor.

we're going to enforce the trade deals we have, and we're going to hold people accountable. when i was secretary of state, we actually increased american globally 30%. them to china 50%. so i know how to really work to get new jobs and to get exports help to create more new jo jobs. donald trump: but you haven't done it in 30 years or 26 years. hillary clinton: i've been a senator. donald trump: you haven't done it. hillary clinton: and i have secretary of state and i have done it. donald trump: your husband signed nafta which was one of ever orst things that happened to the manufacturing industry. hillary clinton: that is your opinion. donald trump: you go to new england, ohio, pennsylvania, go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation, where manufacturing is down 30, 40, sometimes 50%. worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve transpacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard what i was is, and you bad it

said i can't win that debate. but you know that if did you approve that, and that would be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will ever top nafta. hillary clinton: well, that is just not accurate. it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- theald trump: you called it gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. it's the finest deal you've ever seen. hillary clinton: no. donald trump: and then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were it. inst hillary clinton: well, donald, i know you live in your own reality [laughter] that is not the fact. the facts are, i did say i hoped it would be a good deal it was negotiated which i was not responsible for, i included it wasn't. i wrote about that is it trump: so president obama's fault? is it president obama's fault. hillary clinton: i wrote that you even announced. donald trump: is it president obama's fault? because he's pushing it. hillary clinton: there are views about what's good for our country, our in nomy, and our leadership the world.

and i think it's important to look at what we need to do to going again.omy that's why i've said new jobs with rising incomes, in more tax not cuts that would add 5 trillion debt. rs to the donald trump: but you have no plan. hillary clinton: oh, i do. donald trump: secretary, you have no plan. hillary clinton: i have written about it. it's called "stronger together." you can pick it up tomorrow at or an airport near you. but it's because i see this. growth, to have strong fair growth, sustained growth. we also have to look at how we families balance their responsibilities at home and the responsibilities of business. so we have a very robust set of plans, and people have looked plans, have our concluded that mine would create 10 million jobs and lose us 3.5 million us -- nd expose you are going to

approve one of the biggest tax cuts in history. you are going to approve one of the biggest tax increases in history. you are going to drive business out. your regulations are a disaster, and you're going to increase regulations all over the place. by the way, my tax cut is the biggest since ronald reagan. it.m very proud of it will create tremendous numbers of new jobs. but regulations, you are going businesses these out of existence. when i go around -- lester, i tell you this. i've been all over. and when i go around, despite things that the business that people like the most is the fact that i'm cutting regulation. have regulations on top of regulations, and new companies and old companies are going out of business, and you want to increase the regulations and make them even worse. i'm going to cut regulations. i'm going to cut taxes, big-league, and you are going to raise taxes big-league, end of story. lester holt: let me get you to pause right there because we're going to move into the next segment. hillary clinton: that can't -- i kind of assumed that

there would be a lot of these claims, and so -- donald trump: facts. page have taken the home of my web site, hillaryclinton.com and turned checker. a fact so if you want to see in real time what the facts are, please go and take a look. take a look : and at mine also. hillary clinton: it will not and a penny to the debt your plans would add $5 trillion to the debt. proposed would cut regulations and streamlined them for small businesses. would be ve proposed paid for by raising taxes on wealthy because they have made all the gains in the it's time d i think that the wealthy incorporations paid their fair share to support this. opened holt: you just the next segment. donald trump: could i just finish? our web site. take a look at our web site. she's going to raise taxes 1.3 trillion dollars. and look at her web site.

you know what, it's no different than this. telling us how to fight isis. go to her web site. telling us how to fight isis. i don't think general douglas macarthur would like that too much. hillary clinton: at least i have a plan to fight isis. donald trump: no, no. telling the economy everything you're wanting to do. hillary clinton: no we're not. donald trump: you're telling the economy everything you want to do. no wonder you've been fighting isis your entire adult life. that's a -- gon: to the fact checkers. go to work. are unpacking we a lot here and we're still on the issue of achieving prosperity and i want to talk taxes, the fundamental difference between the two of you concerns the wealthy. secretary clinton, you're tax increase on the wealthiest americans. i'd like you to further defend that and mr. trump, you're tax cuts for the wealthy. i'd like you to defend that in this next two minute answer to you, mr. trump. donald trump: well, i'm really calling for major jobs because wealthy are going to create

tremendous jobs. they're going to expand their companys and do a tremendous job. getting rid of the carried interest provision and if you really look, it's really not a thing for the wealthy. it's a great thing for middle class and it's a great thing and companies to expand when these companies are going to put billions and billions of dollars into companies and when they're going to bring 2.5 trillion dollars back from overseas, they can't bring the money back because politicians like secretary clinton won't allow them to bring the money taxes are so the and the bureaucrat red tape is so bad, so what they're doing is leaving our company, and they're believe it or not because taxes are too high and because some of them have lots of money outside of our country and instead of bringing it back and putting the money to work because they can't work out a deal it -- and agrees it should be brought back, instead of that, they're leaving our country to get their money because they can't bring their money back into our country because of bureaucrat red tape because

they can't get together. because we have a president that can't sit them around a table and get them to approve something and here's the thing, democrats agree that this should be done. 2.5 trillion. it's double think that. it's probably $5 trillion that we can't bring into our country, lester and with a little leadership, you'd get it in here very quickly and it put to use on the inner cities and lots of other things and it would be beautiful, but we have no leadership. and honestly, that starts with secretary clinton. lester holt: you have two same question to defend tax increases on the wealthiest americans, secretary clinton. hillary clinton: i have a by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. not? ld trump: why [laughter] hillary clinton: yeah, why not? debate w, just join the by saying more crazy things. donald trump: there's nothing crazy about not letting our companies bring their money into this country.

lester holt: this is secretary clinton's two minutes, please. hillary clinton: let's start again, lester. we've looked at your tax proposals. changes in the corporate tax rates or the kinds of proposals you're to that would cause a repatriation, bringing back of stranded overseas. i happen to support that. a happen to support that in way that will actually work to our benefit. but when i look at what you proposed, you have what is called now the trump loophole, because it would so advantage you and the business you do. proposed an approach -- donald trump: who give gave it that. hillary clinton: -- you've presented a $4 billion tax benefit for your family. donald trump: how much for my family? hillary clinton: as i said, lester, it is trumped up trickle down. trickle down did not work. into the mess we were

in in 2008 and 2009. slashing taxes on the wealthy hasn't worked and a lot of really smart, wealthy people they are saying, hey, we need to do more to make the contributions we should be making to rebuild the middle class. i don't think top-down works in america. the middle lding class, investing in the middle debt-freeaking college so more young people can get their education, helping people tax, their debt from college at a lower rate. those are the kinds of things boost the really economy. broad-based, inclusive growth america, notneed in more advantages for people at the very top. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: typical politician, all talk, no sounds good, doesn't work, never going to happen. is suffering because people like secretary bad ton have made such

decisions in terms of our jobs and in terms of what's going on. now, look, we have the worst revival of an economy since the depression, and believe me, we're in a bubble right now, and the only thing that looks good is the stock market. but if you raise interest rates even a little bit, that's going to come crashing down. big, fat ugly bubble, and we'd better be awfully careful, and we have a fed that's doing political things. janet yellen of the fed, this fed is doing political by interest rates at this level and believe me, the day obama goes off and he leaves coursees off to the golf the rest of his life to play golf, when they raise interest rates, you're going to see some bad things happen because the fed is not doing their job. the fed is being more political clinton.retary lester holt: mr. trump, we're talking about the burden that you icans have to pay, yet have not released your tax returns. and the reason nominees have released their returns for decades is so that voters will

know if their potential owes money, who he owes it to, and any business conflicts. don't americans have a right to know if there are any conflicts of interest? i don't mind releasing. i'm under a routine audit, and as soon as the audits are released.it will be you will learn more about donald trump by going down to the federal elections where i 104-page, essentially, financial statement of sorts, have.forms that they it shows income -- in fact, the income, i just looked today, is filed at $694 year.on for this past $694 million. you would have told me i was going to make that 15 or 20 i would have been very surprised. but that's the kind of thinking that our country needs. when we have a country that's badly, that's being ripped off by every single world, it's the kind of thinking that our country needs, because -- lester, we have a

trade deficit with all of the countries that we do business with of almost $800 billion a year. know what that is? that means who's negotiating these trade deals? that are eople political hacks negotiating our trade deals. has an holt: the i.r.s. audit of your taxes. you're perfectly free to taxes during an audit. does the public's right to know outweigh your personal -- release rump: i will them as soon as the audit -- i've been under audit almost 15 years. know a lot of wealthy people that have never been audited. i said, do you get audited? i get audited almost every year. in a way, i should be complaining. complain, in a way -- a lot of people don't get audited. i will say this. we have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of. release my tax returns against my lawyers' wishes. releases her 33,000

e-mails that have been deleted, releases them, i will release -- i will release returns. and that's against my lawyers -- they say, don't do it. no, in tell you this -- fact, watching shows and reading the papers, almost says, you don't release your returns until the audit is complete. when the audit is complete, i'll do it. but i would go against them if she releases her e-mails. lester holt: so it's negotiable? donald trump: it's not negotiable, no. let her release the e-mails. 13,000. she delete lester holt: i'll let her answer that but i want to audience, we agreed on silence. secretary clinton. hillary clinton: i think you've seen another example of bait and switch here. for 40 years, everyone running released dent has their tax returns. you can go and see nearly i of our tax 0 years returns. but everyone has done it. we know the i.r.s. has made no prohibition on releasing it when you're

under audit. ask yourself to why won't he release his tax returns? and i think there may be a reasons.of as rich aybe he's not as he says he is. secretary, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about street andon to wall foreign banks. or maybe he doesn't want the people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal only years use the that anybody's ever seen were a to ple of years when he had turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and didn't pay any federal income tax. donald trump: that makes me smart. paid ry clinton: so he zero, that means zero for forops, zero for vets, zero

schools or health, and i think probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see what are, because sons it must be something really that tant, even terrible, he's trying to hide, and the financial disclosure statement, the tax 't give you rate. they don't give you all the details that tax returns would. seems to me that this is something that the american people deserve to see i have no reason to believe that he's ever going to release returns, because there's something he's hiding. and we'll guess. guessing at what it might be that he's hiding, but i think the question is, were ever to get near the white house, what would be those conflicts? owe money to? well, he owes you the answers and he should provide them. lester holt: he also raised the issue of your e-mails. do you want to respond to that? hillary clinton: i do.

you know, i made a mistake e-mail. private donald trump: that's for sure. hillary clinton: and if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently. but i'm not going to make any excuses. it was a mistake. for i take responsibility that. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: that was more than a mistake. that was done purposely. okay, that was not a mistake. that was done purposely. you have your staff taking the fifth amendment -- taking the fifth so they're not prosecuted, when you have the man that set up the illegal taking the fifth, i think it's disgraceful. and believe me, this country disgrace -- really thinks it's disgraceful also. returns, you tax don't learn that much from tax returns. that i can tell you. financial a lot from disclosure, and you should go down and take a look at that. extremely thing, i'm under-leveraged. the report that said 650 -- which by the way, a lot mine that know my

business said boy, that's money.y not a lot of that's really not a lot of money relative to what i have. the buildings in question, they said in the same -- actually, it wasn't even a bad story to be honest with you but the buildings are $3.9 billion and the 650 isn't even of that. but it's not 650. that.much less than but i could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, you a list of banks, very fine institutions and fine banks i could do that quickly. i am under leveraged, i have a have a ompany and tremendous income. i'm not saying that in a bragodocious way. it's about time somebody running this country has an idea about money. when we have $20 trillion in debt and our country is in debt -- it's one thing to have $20 trillion in debt and our roads and bridges are good, and everything is in great shape, are like from a third-world country. landland at laguardia, you

at kennedy, lax, new a, and you dubai , china, you see these incredible airports land, we've become a third-world country. so the worst of all things has happened. owe $20 trillion and we're a mass. started.'t even we've spent $6 trillion in the middle east according to a saw, whether i just it's 6 or 5, but it looks like it's 6. $6 trillion. in the middle east we could country twice,ur and it's really a shame. it's politicians like secretary clinton that have caused this problem. our country has tremendous problems. we're a debtor nation, serious debtor nation, and we have a country that needs new tunnels, new bridges, new airports, new schools, new hospitals, and we don't have the money because squandered on so many of your ideas. hillary clinton: and you haven't paid any federal income

tax for a lot of years. [cheering] and the other n: thing that's important -- donald trump: it would be squandered too, believe me. hillary clinton: if your main to be president of the united states is your business, then i think we should talk about that. you know, your campaign manager a lot of you built businesses on the backs of little guys. and, indeed, i have met a lot people who were stiffed by you and your businesses, donald. dishwashers, painters, installers, glass marble installers, drapery dad was, s, like my who you refused to pay when they finished the work that you to do.them in the an architect audience who designed one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. facility.autiful it immediately was put to use. what the ouldn't pay

man needed to be paid, what he was charging you to do. donald trump: maybe he didn't good job and i was unsatisfied with his work, do ch our country should too. hillary clinton: to the thousands of people that you have stiffed over the course of do they not s, deserve some kind of apology from someone who has taken their labor, taken the goods that they've produced and then them? ed to pay i can only say that i'm certainly relieved that my late father never did business with you. he provided a good middle class life for us, but the people he for, he expected the bargain to be kept on both sides. and when we talk about your business, you've taken bankruptcy six times. there are a lot of great have nevereople that taken bankruptcy once. you call yourself the king of debt. you talk about leverage. you even at one time suggested to negotiateld try down the --

donald trump: wrong. hillary clinton: -- national of the united states. well, sometimes there's not a direct transfer of skills from to government. but sometimes what happened in business would be really bad for government. and we need to be very clear about that. donald trump: look. words.all it's all sound bytes. i've built an unbelievable company. some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, real estate assets anywhere in the states,beyond the united europe, lots of different places. it's an unbelievable company. occasion, four times, we that are ain laws there. and when secretary clinton didn't bout people that get paid, first of all, they taking paid a lot, but advantage of the laws of the nation. if you want to change the laws, you've been there a long time, change the laws. but i take advantage of the laws of the nation, because i'm

running the company. my obligation right now is to do well for myself, my family, my employees, for my companies and that's what i do. is what she doesn't say that tens of thousands of people that are unbelievably happy and that love me. i'll give you an example. we're just opening up on next ylvania avenue right to the white house, so if i don't get there one way, i'm pennsylvania to avenue another. but we're opening the old post office. under budget, ahead of schedule, save tremendous money. i'm a year ahead of schedule. and that's what this country should be doing. we build roads and because two or three or four times what they're supposed to cost, we products for our military and they come at costs that are so far above what they were supposed to be because we don't that know what they're doing. when we look at the budget, the bad to a large extent because we have people that have no idea as to what to do to buy.

the trump international is way budget and way ahead of schedule, and we should be able to do that for our country. well r holt: well, we're behind schedule so i want to move to our next segment. segment into our next talking about america's direction and let's start talking about race. the share of americans who say relations are bad in this country is the highest it's been in decades. much of it amplified by shootings of african-americans by police, as we've seen in charlotte and tulsa. race has been a big issue in this campaign and one of you is very to have to bridge a wide and bitter gap. so how do you heal the divide? secretary clinton, you get two on this. hillary clinton: well, you're right. remains a significant our country. unfortunately, race still determines too much, often live, ines where people determines what kind of education in their public they can get and, yes,

it determines how they're treated in the criminal justice system. those two seen tragic examples in both tulsa and charlotte. to do several things at the same time. we have to restore trust and the communities police. we have to work to make sure are using the e best training, the best techniques, that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary. everyone should be respected by law, and everyone should respect the law. right now, that's not the case neighborhoods.r so i have -- ever since the first day of my called for criminal justice reform. that iaid out a platform think would begin to remedy some of the problems that have criminal justice system.

but we also have to recognize in addition to the challenges we face with policing, there are so many good, brave equally fficers who want reform. so we have to bring communities together in order to begin working on that as a mutual goal, and we've got to get guns hands of people who should not have them. the gun epidemic is the leading cause of death of young african-american men, more than nine causes put together. so we have to do two things, as we have to restore trust, we have to work with the police, we have to make sure communities the and the communities respect them, and we have to tackle the plague of gun violence, which to a lot contributor of the problems that we're seeing today. lester holt: mr. trump, you have two minutes. divide? ou heal the donald trump: first of all, want tary clinton doesn't to use a couple of words, and "order." aw" and we need law and order.

if we don't have it, we're not going to have a country, and going on ok at what's in charlotte, a city i love, a city where i have investments, when i look at what's going on throughout various parts of our keep naming can them all day long. we need law and order in our country. got today the -- as you know, the endorsement of police.aternal order of which just came in. endorsements from i think almost every police group, very -- a large percentage of them in the united states. we have a situation where we inner cities, african-americans, hispanics, because it'sn hell so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. had hicago, they've thousands of shootings, 1st.sands, since january thousands of shootings.

i say, where is this? war-torn country? what are we doing? and we have to stop the violence. we have to bring back law and order. a place like chicago where thousands of people have been killed. thousands over the last number years. in fact, almost 4,000 have been killed since barack obama president. over four -- almost 4,000 people in chicago have been killed. back law and ing order. now, whether or not in a place like chicago you do stop and worked very well. mayor giuliani is here. it worked very well in new york. brought the crime rate way down. but you take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be it.ving we have to gangs roaming the streets. and in many cases, they're illegally here. illegal immigrants. and they have guns and they shoot people. and we have to be very strong. we have to be very vigilant. we have to be -- we have to know what we're doing. our police, in many cases, are afraid to do anything. inner e to protect our

cities, because african-american communities decimated by crime. your two minutes have expired to follow up. stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional in new york singled out argely black and hispanic young men. wrong.d trump: no, you're it went before a judge, who was against police job. it was taken away from her, and mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with the case. they would have won on appeal. at it throughout the country there are many places. is ter holt: the argument it's a form of racial profile. donald trump: no, the argument is we have to take the guns away from people that are bad people that shouldn't have them. these are felons and these are people -- when you have 3,000 shootings in chicago from you have st, when 4,000 people killed in chicago from the beginning of

the presidency of barack obama, you have to have stop and frisk. you need more police. better community, you know, relation. you don't have good community relations in chicago. it's terrible. i have property there. it's terrible what's going on in chicago. look -- and chicago is not the only one. you go to ferguson. you go to so many different places. you need better relationships. i agree with secretary clinton on this. need better relationships between the communities and the police, because in some cases it's not good. where u look at dallas the relationships were really studied. really ationships were beautiful thing. and then five police officers killed. one night very violently. so there's some bad things some really bad things. but we need -- lester, we need law and order and we need and order in the inner cities because the people that are what's fected by

happening are african-american and hispanic people, and it's unfair to them what our politicians are allowing to happen. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, i've donald say this at his rallies, and it's really unfortunate that he'd paint such a dire negative picture of black communities in our country. you know, the vibrancy of the black church, the businesses that employ so many people, the opportunities that families are working to there's for their kids, a lot that we should be proud of and we should be supporting lifting up. but we do always have to make sure that we keep people safe. right ways of and then there are ways that are ineffective. stop and frisk was found to be unconstitutional. and, in part, because it was

ineffective. and then there ar ways it did not do what it needed to do. now, i believe in community policing. and, in fact, violent crime is it was in f what 1991. property crime is down 40%. we just don't want to see it creep back up. years of very good cooperation, but there were problems, some unintended consequences. too many young latino -americans and men ended up in jail for and it's nt offenses, just a fact that if you're a young african-american man and as a o the same thing young white man, you are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted, and incarcerated. the e've got to address systemic racism in our criminal justice system. "law and just say order." we have to say -- we have to a plan that with

is going to divert people from criminal justice system, deal with mandatory minimum sentences which have put too away for too long for doing too little. we need to have more second-chance programs. i'm glad that we're ending private prisons in the federal system. i want to see them ended in the state system. you shouldn't have a profit motivation to fill prison cells with young americans. so there are some positive ways this, and i on common strongly that sense gun safety measures would assist us. right now -- and this is donald has supported, along with the gun we've got ight now, too many military style weapons on the streets. a lot of places, our police are out-gunned. we need comprehensive and we need hecks, to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm, and finally need to pass a

prohibition on anyone who's on the terrorist watch list from to buy a gun in our country. if you're too dangerous to fly, a u are too dangerous to buy gun. so there are things we can do, and we ought to do it in a bipartisan way. lester holt: secretary clinton, last week, you said we've got to do everything possible to improve policing to at implicit bias. do you believe that police are implicitly biased against black people? hillary clinton: lester, i think implicit bias is a problem for everyone, not just police. i think unfortunately, too many jumps in our great country to conclusions about each other. therefore, i think we need all of us to be asking hard questions about, you know, why am i feeling this way? but when it comes to policing, literally, n have, fatal consequences, i have said in my first budget, we would money into that budget to implicit biaswith

by retraining a lot of our police officers. i've met with a group of very distinguished, experienced police chiefs a few weeks ago. they admit it's an issue. a lot of concerns. mental health is one of the biggest concerns, because now to handle a aving lot of really difficult mental health problems on the street. they want support. they want more training. they want more assistance. and i think the federal government could be in a position where we would offer and provide that. donald trump: i'd like to respond. first of all, i agree, and a within my ple even own party want to give certain rights to people on watch lists lists.o-fly i agree with you. when a person is on a watch and i r a no-fly list have the endorsement of the n.r.a., which i'm very proud of. people and ery good they are protecting the second amendment, but i think we have to look very strongly at no-fly and watch lists and when people are on there, even if they shouldn't be on there, help help them, we'll them legally get off, but i

tend to agree with that, quite strongly. bring up the fact that you were the one that brought up the word "super predator" about young, black youth and that's a term that i think was a term that's been horribly met, as you know, and i think you've apologized for it, but i think it was a to say.e thing and when it comes to stop and frisk, you're talking about guns away. i'm talking about taking guns away from gangs and people that use them and i don't think -- i really don't think you disagree with me on this, if you want to know the truth. there's a ybe political reason why you can't say it, but i really don't believe. in new york city, stop and frisk -- we had 2200 murders and stop and frisk there's a brought it eason why down to 500 murders. 500 murders is a lot of murders. 500 is like eve supposed to be good. 500 we went from 2200 to and it was continued on by mayor bloomberg and it was current mayor the

but stop and frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of new york city, tremendous beyond belief. so when you say it has no impact, it really did. really big impact. hillary clinton: well, it's also fair to say if we're going that underout mayors the current mayor, crime has continued to drop, including murders. donald trump: you're wrong. no, i'm not. on: donald trump: murders are up. all right, you check it. hillary clinton: new york has job, and i cellent give credit. i give credit across the board mayors, two two chiefs and it has worked because other communities need to come together to do what will work as well. one murder is too many. but it is important that we about what has been effective and not go to things didt sound good that really not have the kind of impact that we would want. disagrees with keeping neighborhoods safe? one let's also add, no

should disagree about respecting the rights of young who live in those neighborhoods. and so we need to do a better job again of working with the communities, face communities, business communities, as well this lice to deal with problem. lester holt: this issue is about race. so mr. trump. may i respond? lester holt: please respond follow-up. have a donald trump: the african-american community has been let down by our politicians. they talk good around election like right now and after the election, they said, see you later. years.see you in four the african-american community -- look, the community within the inner cities has been so badly treated, they've been abused in order to get votes by democrat politicians because that's what it is. they've controlled these communities for up to 100 years. lester holt: mr. trump. donald trump: it's broken. and i will tell you, you look

at the inner cities, and i just and i just left philadelphia. you've seen me. i've been all over the place. home, and ed to stay that's okay. [laughter] donald trump: but i will tell you, i've been all over and some of the greatest people i'll ever meet within these communities and they are what very upset with their politicians have told them and what their politicians done. hillary clinton: i think that -- i think donald just criticized me for preparing for debate. and, yes, i did. and you know what else i for? red i've prepared to be president, and i think that's a good thing. [applause]. lester holt: mr. trump for five years, you've perpetuated false claim that the president's first black president was not a natural born citizen. questioned his legitimacy. the last couple of weeks you most wledged what americans have accepted for years, that the president was born in the united states. well, it's very

simple to say. sydney bloomenthal works for campaign and a very close friend of secretary clinton, campaign manager, patty went to the campaign, her campaign against president and a, fought very hard, you can go look it up and you can check it out, and if you week, at cnn this past patty doyle was on wolf blitzer that this happened, sent mcclathchy, a highly respected president, to question the president very hard about it, she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. give the birth certificate so i'm satisfied with it and i'll tell you why i'm satisfied with it, because on to defeating isis, because i want to get on creating jobs, because i want having a strong

border, because i want to get on to things that are very and that are me very important to the country. lester holt: i'll let you respond, but i just want to get here.nswer the birth certificate was produced in 2011. you've continued to tell the questioned the president's legitimacy in 2012, recently as 5, as january. so the question is, what changed your mind? donald trump: well, nobody was pressing it. nobody was caring much about it. i figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course, but nobody was caring much about t but i was the one that the birth produce certificate and i think i did a good job. secretary clinton also fought it. mean, you know, now, everybody will say oh, it's not true. it's true. sydney bloomenthal sent the reporter. you just have to take a look at cnn, last week, the interview with your former campaign involved.and she was but just like she can't bring back jobs, she can't produce. sorry.r holt: i'm

i'm going to follow up but i will let you respond to that. there's a lot there. we're talking about racial healing in this segment. what do you say to americans of color. i say nothing because i was able to get him to produce it. he should have been produced it a long time before. i say nothing. but let me just tell you, when you talk about healing, i think very, very good relationships over the last little while with the community.erican i think you can see that. and i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion, and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country, but even for the president in his ing him to produce birth certificate. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, just listen to what you heard. [laughter] hillary clinton: and clearly, as donald just admitted, he stand e was going to be ing ing on this debate stage and

lester just asked the question, and he would put this whole it ist thing to bed but can't be dismissed that easily. he has really started his based on activity this racist lie that our first was not an dent american citizen. there was absolutely no evidence for it. persisted. he persisted year after year some of his supporters, trying to t he was bring into his fold apparently believed it or wanted to believe it. but remember, donald started 1973 being back in sued by the justice department discrimination, because he would not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans and he made sure that the people who worked that was therstood policy. he actually was sued twice by justice department.

of he has a long record engaging in racist behavior. birther lie was a very hurtful one. of great ama is a man dignity, and i could tell how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this was being used against him, but i'd like to remember what michelle obama said in her speech at our democratic national convention. go low, we go high, and barack obama went high donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. lester holt: mr. trump, you on. respond and we'll move donald trump: i'd love to respond. first of all, i got to watch in preparing for some of your debates against obama. treated him with terrible disrespect. and i watched how you talk about how lovely everything is wonderful you are.

doesn't work that way. you were after him. send out, oring to your campaign sent out pictures of him in a certain garb, very pictures. i don't think you can deny that. but last week, your campaign manager said it was true. try to act holier than thou, it really doesn't work. it really doesn't. now, as far as the lawsuit, yes, when i was very young, i went into my father's company, he had a real estate company in brooklyn, in queens, and we, many other countries, by federal lawsuit, were sued, and we settled without guilt.ion of it was easy to do. i notice you bring that up a lot and i notice the nasty commercials doing on me in so many different ways, which i don't do on you, maybe i'm trying to the money. but frankly, i look at that and i say, isn't that amazing? settled that lawsuit of guilt.dmission

but that was a lawsuit brought against many real estate firms. one of those things. i'll go one step further. florida, a ach, brilliant community, probably the wealthiest community there opened the orld, i club, and really got great for it. no discrimination against african-americans, against muslims, against anybodi, and a tremendously successful club and i'm so glad i did it, i have been given great credit for what i did, and i'm very, very proud of it. and that's the way i feel. that's the true way i feel. segment olt: our next is called securing america. we want to start with a 21st century war happening every day in this country. our institutions are under cyber attack, and our secrets are being stolen. is, who's behind it, and how do we fight it? secretary clinton, this answer to you.

hillary clinton: well, i think cyber security, cyber warfare of the biggest challenges facing the next president because clearly, two e facing at this point different kinds of adversaries. there are the independent hacking groups that do it reasons or commercial to try to steal information that they then can use to make money. increasingly, we are seeing cyber attacks coming from states, organs of states. the most recent troubling of these has been russia. there's no doubt now that attacks as used cyber against all kinds of organizations in our country and i am deeply concerned about this and i know donald is very praiseworthy of vladimir putin tough tin is playing a long game here and one of the things he's done is to let cyber attackers to hack

into government files, to hack into personal files, hack the democratic national committee. and we recently have learned that this is one of their methods of trying to wreak havoc and collect information. we need to make it very clear, whether it's russia, china, iran, or anybody else, the united states has much greater capacity, and we are not going sit idly by and permit state to go after our information, our private sector information or our public information. makewe're going to have to it clear that we don't want to use the kind of tools that we have, we don't want to engage kind of warfare, but we will defend the citizens of this country, and the russians need to understand that. i think they've been treating it as almost a probing, how far would we go?

how much would we do? and that's why i was so shocked invited ald publicly putin to hack into americans. that is just unacceptable. of the reasons why 50 national security officials who serve in public information has said that donald is unfit to be the commander in chief. like that that really worry people who understand the threats that we face. lester holt: mr. trump, you minutes on the same question. donald trump: and i do want to say that i was just endorsed more are coming next week. it will be over 200 admirals. here. of them are admirals and generals endorsed country.ad this that just happened and many are coming. i'm very proud of it. in addition, i was just endorsed by ice. never endorsed anybody before, on immigration. i was just endorsed by ice. endorsed t recently

16,500 border patrol agents. secretary clinton talks about this, i'll take the admirals and i'll take the generals any day over the hacks that i see that have led our country so brilliantly over the last 10 knowledge, their okay, because look at the mess that we're in. look at the mess we're in. as far as the cyber, i agree, to parts of what secretary clinton said. should be better than anybody else and perhaps we're not. i don't think anybody knows that it was russia that broke dnc.o the she's saying russia, russia, russia. maybe it was. but it couldrussia be china. it could be lots of other people. somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay. you don't know who broke into dnc. but what did we learn with dnc? we learned that bernie sanders of by your dvantage people, by debbie wasserman schultz. look what happened to her. taken sanders was

advantage of. now, whether that was russia, whether it was china, whether it was another country, we know, because the truth is another president obama we've lost control of things that we used to have control over. we came in with the internet, we came up with the internet and i think secretary clinton agree very would much when you look at what isis is doing with the internet, at our own ting us game, isis. so we have to get very tough on warfare.nd cyber problem. huge i have a son. he's 10 years old. he has computers. he is so good with these computers. it's unbelievable. the security aspect of cyber is it's tough and maybe hardly doable. but i will say, we are not we should be doing but that's true throughout our whole governmental society. we have so many things we have to do better lester and cyber is one of them. secretary t:

clinton. hillary clinton: i think there are a number of issues that we should be addressing. a plan to forth defeat isis. it does involve going after online. i think we need to do much more companies to prevent isis and their able to es from being radicalize ernet to people radicalize people directly in our country and europe and elsewhere, but we have to intensify our air strikes against isis and arab andly support our kurdish partners to be able to take out isis in rocca icaica icaica icaical ng aical caliphate. we're making progress with iraq hoping to within a year make progress out of iraq and really squeeze them in syria but we have to be

cognizant of the fact that we've had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for the foreign money, foreign weapons, make this the top priority and i would also do take outng possible to their leadership. i was involved in a number of take out al-qaida leadership when i was secretary of state, including of course out bin laden and we baghdady as fter well, make it one of our principles because we have to have to do and everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts online. when you mention isis, we think of isis over there. but there have been american who have been inspired to commit acts of terror on of course, the and st attacks in new york knife attacks, and san bernardino and orlando. how would ou both,

you prevent home-grown attacks by american citizens? donald trump: first, you have thing, very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. out isis.ake president obama and secretary a vacuum the ed way they got out of iraq, they got out what they shouldn't have been in. way once they got in, the they got out was a disaster and isis was formed. she talks about taking them out. she's been doing it a long time. she's been trying to take them out a long time. wouldn't even have been formed if they left some troops behind, like 10,000 or that,e something more than and then you wouldn't have had them. or as i've been saying for a time and i think you'll agree because i said it to you once. i believe taking the oil -- and we should have taken the oil -- isis would not have been able to form either because the ofl was their primary source income. and now they have the oil all a lot he place including

of the oil in libya, which was another one of her disasters. lester holt: secretary clinton. hillary clinton: well, i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. invasion pported the of iraq. donald trump: wrong. hillary clinton: that is proved over and over again. donald trump: wrong. actually linton: he advocated for the actions we libya and urged out after taken doing business with them. he says this constantly, is george w. bush made the agreement about when american iraq, not ld leave obama. and the only way that american troops could have stayed in iraq is to get an agreement from the then iraqi government that would have protected our troops, and the iraqi government would not give that. but let's talk about the lester.on you asked, the question you asked is what

do we do here in the united states? that's the most important part of this. do we prevent attacks? how do we protect our people? we've got to have an intelligence surge where we scrap of ng for every information. i was so proud of law enforcement in new york, in minnesota, in new jersey. you know, they responded so quickly, so professionally to that occurred by rahami , and they brought him find out more ay information because he is still to be anhich may prove intelligence benefit. so we've got to do everything to vacuum up intelligence from europe, from the middle east, that means closely t to work more with our allies. that hat's something donald has been very dismissive of. we are working with nato, the longest military alliance in the history of the world, to really turn our attention to terrorism. working with our friends

in the middle east, many of muslim s you know are majority nations. consistently insulted muslims abroad and at we need to be cooperating with muslim nations and the muslim american community. they're on the front lines. they can provide information to us that we may not get anywhere else. to have close working operation with law enforcement in these communities, not be pushed away as some of donald's rhetoric has led to.ly respond. olt: please donald trump: the secretary said very strongly about been ng with -- we've working with them for many years, and we have the greatest mess anyone's ever seen. east.look at the middle it's a total mess. under your direction, to a large extent. but you look at the middle east. you started the iran deal. yout's another beauty where have a country ready to fall,

badly.ere doing so they were choking on the sanctions and they're going to be a major power at some point the way they're going. but when you look at nato -- i show, sking on a major what do you think of nato. i'm a businessman. but i have common sense. tell you, i , i'll haven't given lots of thought to nato but two things. number 1, the 28 countries of nato, many of them aren't paying their fair share. me, er 2, that bothers because we're defending them and they should be at least paying us what they're supposed and e paying by treaty contract, and, number 2, i said and very strongly, nato could obsolete because -- and i was very strong on this, and it was actually covered very in the new york times which is unusual for the new york times, to be honest. said they do not focus on terror, and i was very strong. times.said it numerous and about four months ago i read on the front page of the nato street journal that

is opening up a major terror division and i think that's great. and i think we should get -- because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of nato, it's a lot of money to people, but i'm all for nato, but i said they have to focus on terror also. that.hey're going to do and that was, believe me, not going to get credit for it, but of t was largely because what i was saying and my criticism of nato. i think we have to get nato to go into the middle east with us, in addition to surrounding we have to knock the hell out of isis and we have to do it fast. vacuumsis formed in this created by barack obama and secretary clinton, believe me, you were the ones that took out the troops -- not only that, you couldn't day -- they believe it. they sat back and said probably -- wait a minute. when they formed -- this is something that never should have happened. happened. have never

you're talking about taking out isis, but you were there and you were secretary of state it was a little infant. now it's in over 30 countries. them? ou're going to stop i don't think so. lester holt: mr. trump, a lot of these are judgment questions. war in e supported the iraq before the invasion. what makes your judgment. donald trump: i did not support war in iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because frankly, i think the best person in her campaign is main media. wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. lester holt: the record shows otherwise. not show ump: it does that. the record shows that i'm right. interview with howard stern, very lightly, first time anyone's asked me very lightly, i don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially. an interview with neil cavuto. we talked about the economy is

more important. hanity.spoke to sean i had numerous conversations hanity at fox spshgs he called me the other day and i spoke to him about it, he said you were totally against it, excuse me, it was before started. sean hanity said strongly, to me and other people and he's to say but nobody wants to call him. he said i was against the war. fights with me because sean was in favor of the war. and i understand that side also, not very much because we shouldn't have been there. nobody calls sean hanity and an article in the major magazine shortly after the war started i think in '04, an article which had me totally against the war your aq, and one of compatriates said you know, whether it was before or right was r, trump definitely -- if you read this article, there was no doubt. would call up sean

hanity -- this was before the war started, he and i used to war. arguments about the i said it's a terrible and a stupid thing. destabilize the middle east, and that's exactly what it's done. lester holt: my reference is what you had said in 2002, is my question was, why your judgment any different than mrs. clinton. donald trump: i have much she does.dgment than there's no question about that. i also have much better temperament than she has, you know. i have much better -- let me tell you. she spent hundreds of millions dollars on advertising uber kn know, they get madison avenue into a room. i think my strongest asset far is by temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. does not. the other day, behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out o

we put a lid on the nuclear program without firing a single shot. that is coalition building. that is working with other nations. i heard donald saying there were some iranian sailors in a ship in the waters off of iran, and they were taunting american sailors on a nearby ship. he said, if they taunted our

sailors, i would blow them out of the water -- and start another war. that is not good judgment. that is not the right temperament to be commander-in-chief, to be taunted. of what irst part heard donald say has been about nuclear weapons. he has said repeatedly that he did not care if other nations got nuclear weapons -- japan, south korea, even saudi arabia. it has been the policy of the united states, democrats and republicans, to do everything we could to reduce the proliferation of nuclear weapons. he even said, if there were nuclear war in east asia, well, you know, that is fine. have a good time, folks. and in fact, his cavalier attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling -- that is the number one threat we face in the world, and it becomes particularly threatening terrorists ever get their hands

on any nuclear material. so a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear codes, as far as i think anyone with any sense about this should be concerned. it is a good one, well described. mr. trump: i agree with her on one thing. is single greatest problem nuclear weapons. not global warming, like you think and your president things. nuclear is the single greatest threat. just to go down the list, we defend japan, we defend germany, we defend south korea, we defend saudi arabia. we defend countries. they do not pay us, but they should be paying us, because we are providing tremendous service and we are losing a fortune. we lose on everything.

we lose on everything. very said -- that is possible, that if they do not pay a fair share -- this is not four years ago. japan, a defend behemoth, selling its cars by the billions -- moderator: we need to move on. was, they all i said may have to defend themselves, or help us out. they have to help us out. as far as the nuclear is concerned, i agree it is the single greatest threat that this country has. question, my next still on the subject of securing america -- on nuclear weapons, president obama reportedly considered changing the long-standing policy on first use. do you support the current policy? mr. trump: i have to say, for what secretary clinton was saying about nuclear aggression -- she is cavalier in the way she talks about various

countries, but russia has been expanding. they have a much newer capability than we do. we have not been updating. the other night, i was seeing b-52s old enough that your father, your grandfather could be flying them. we are not keeping up with other countries. i would like everybody to end it, just get rid of it, but i would certainly not do first strike. i think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it is over. at the same time, we have to be prepared. i cannot take anything off the table. you look at some of these countries -- you look at north korea, we are doing nothing there. china should solve that problem for us. china should go into north korea. china is totally powerful as it relates to north korea. and by the way, the worst deal i have ever seen negotiated that you started is the iran deal. iran is one of their biggest trading partners. iran has power over north korea.

when they made that horrible deal with iran, they should have included the fact that they do something with respect to north korea. and they should have done something with respect to yemen, and all these other places. secretaryk to clinton, why didn't you do that? why didn't you add other things into the deal, one of the great giveaways of all time, including $400 million in cash -- nobody has ever seen that before. that turned out to be wrong. it was actually $1.7 billion in cash. obviously, i guess, for the hostages. it certainly looks that way. you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal? this is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in history. to deal with iran will lead nuclear problems. all i have to do is sit back 10 years. they do not have to do much, and they are going to end up getting nuclear. i met with bibi netanyahu the other day.

the leave me, he is not a happy camper. -- believe me, he is not a happy camper. he is not a happy camper. secretarylt: mrs. clinton: words matter when you run for president, and i want to reassure our allies in japan, south korea, and elsewhere, that we have neutral defense treaties, and we will honor them. honor them. it is essential that america's word be good. that this now campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on of many leaders across the globe. i have talked with a number of them. but i want to, on behalf of myself, and i think on behalf of the across the globe. majority of the amen people say that, you know, our good. is that we o important look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have problems with iran, but

rather deal i'd rather deal s with problems having put that lid on the nuclear program than still to be facing that and donald never tells you what he would do. would he have started a war? would he have bombed iran? if he's going to criticize a deal that has been very giving us access to iranian facilities that we before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be. like his plan to defeat isis. he says it's a secret plan but the only secret is that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise we talk about these issues. people around the world follow campaigns so ial closely trying to get hints do.ut what we will can they rely on us? are we going to lead the world strengths and in accordance with our values? what i entend to do.

i intend to be a leader of our country that people can count here at home and around the world to make decisions that will further prosperity, but also stand up to bullies, whether they're abroad or at home. we cannot let those who would toy to destabilize the world interfere with american interests and security, and opportunities at all. lester holt: your two minutes have expired. donald trump: i'd like to say something really quickly. lester holt: really quickly. donald trump: i will tell you tell you to will go to her web site and read about how to defeat isis, which could have been defeated by not having it get going in the first place. it's getting tougher and they're in more and more places, more and more states and more and more nations and it's a big problem as far as japan is concerned i want to help all of are losing but we billions and billions of dollars. the policemen of

the world. we cannot protect countries all the world when they're not paying us what we need. few final t: just a questions. donald trump: she doesn't say that because she has no business ability. and a lot of things but you have to have some business ability. have that.t a lot of the things she's talking about could have been 10 en care of in the last years when she had great power but they weren't taken care of and if she wins this presidency, they won't be taken care of. clintonholt: secretary is the first woman nominated by party. you said she doesn't have the look. what did you mean by that. donald trump: she doesn't have nachlt sher the stam doesn't have the stamina. to be president of this tremendous u need stam nachlt wait a minute, lester, you asked me a

question. did you ask me a question? you you have to be able to negotiate trade deals. able to to be negotiate test sites with arabia. with saudi can you imagine with this with arabia, with all the money defending them and them you have so many things you have to be able to do and i believe hillary has the stamina. lester holt: let's let her respond. hillary clinton: as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a fire, a release of opening of new opportunities and nations around the world or even spends of hours bit testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can stamina.me about [applause]. donald trump: well, let me tell you. hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. many bad deals

during the last. [cheering and applause] so she's got experience, i bad k, but it's bad, experience. whether it's the iran deal that you're so in love with where $150 billion back. whether it's the iran deal. anything -- you almost can't name a good deal. i agree she's got experience but it's bad experience and this country can't afford to have another four years of that type of experience. [cheering] lester holt: we are at the final question. hillary clinton: one thing quickly. to switch from looks to stamina. this is a man who has called slobs, and dogs. someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. i never said that. hillary clinton: who has said they don't deserve equal pay a job ashey do as good men and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a

beauty contest. contests, beauty supporting them and hanging around them. "miss called this woman piggy." then he called her "miss housekeeping" because she was la tina. she has a name. donald trump: where did she this. hillary clinton: she had become a u.s. citizen and you can bet she's going to vote this november. good.d trump: okay, [cheering] donald trump: let me just tell you. seconds and 10 the final question. donald trump: hillary has hit commercials.endous some of it's entertainment. some of it said somebody who to be near me, rosie o'd o'donnell , i think you would agree she deserved it and her.dy feels sorry for but i was going to say to and i y, to her family, it.id to myself, i can't do i just can't do it.

it's inappropriate. it's not nice. but she spent hundreds of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. and they're ue misrepresentations and i will tell you this lester, it is not and i don't deserve that, but it's certainly not a nice done.g that she's it's hundreds of millions of ads and the only gratifying is i saw the polls come in today, and with all of that million spent 00 and either winning or tied and practically nothing. lester holt: one of you will not win this election so my final question to you tonight you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters? secretary clinton. hillary clinton: i support our dachshu democracy. you win and sometimes you lose but i certainly will support the outcome of this and i know donald is trying very hard to plant doubtit but i hope the people

out there understand, this election is up to you. so much as itt us is about you as the families and the kinds of futures that i certainly hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on does. ause i think it lester holt: mr. trump, very quickly, will you accept the outcome of the voters? to make rump: i want america great again. we are a nation that is seriously troubled. jobs.e losing our people are pouring into our country. the other day, we were 800 people and perhaps they passed the wrong button, pressed the wrong button or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption. but these people that we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens, ended up becoming citizens. and now it turns out it might be 1800 and they don't even know. lester holt: will you accept the outcome of the election? donald trump: i want to make america great again. it. going to be able to do i don't believe hillary will. the answer is, if she wins, i will absolutely support her.

right.r holt: all that is going to do it for us. that concludes our debate for this evening. one.was a spirited we covered a lot of ground. expected thing as we it would be. the income scheduled debate is october 9 at washington st. louis and october 19 at the university of nevada las vegas. will continue.on the vice presidential debate is scheduled for october 4 at longwood university in virginia. my thanks to hillary clinton and to ald trumped hofstra for hosting us tonight. everyone.ht, [cheering and applause] shouting]

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for the campaigns and members of the media gathered in what is called the spin room to talk about the debate. donald trump spoke to members of the press afterwards who attended this event on the campus of hofstra university. [murmuring crowd] reporter: mr. trump! mr. trump! [unintelligible]

reporter: mr. trump, would you say you lost that debate? [unintelligible] reporter: we are live on television right now. donald trump is right there. we are hoping we will be able to -- trump -- mr. [unintelligible] it really felt great. i have to tell you, i really felt great. we need to save this country. this country is going so bad, brian. you know it.

whether it is jobs or illegal immigration -- you saw the 800 people who became citizens that were supposed to be deported. our country is in serious trouble. i think it went really great because i was able to explain it. based on the results afterward, it looks like i did a good job. reporter: first time you matched up, comparable to the republican debate? mr. trump: going up against ted cruz, rubio, and the other guys -- it was good training, frankly. i enjoyed that. and i enjoyed tonight. what brian, you know that. it is about making america great again. i think we are well on our way to doing it. you have seen the polls. the polls came out during the show. reporter: are you going to continue the search? mr. trump: i think so. what came out to me more than anything else is, she talks about all the things she is going to do. where has she been for 26 years?

reporter: congratulations on getting through your first presidential debate. what did you think? [unintelligible] of the objectives going into tonight, which did you achieve? polls,mp: in the online we were doing really well. really well. everyone talks about, you must defeat [unintelligible] she talks about trade, all these things, illegal immigration -- you saw the other day. there was dishonesty involved. our country needs help. reporter: did she say anything which you think was false?

was,rump: my final thought let us focus with respect to him and his -- chelsea, who i have to think is a wonderful young -- despite the fact she has spent -- how much has she spent on commercials, over $200 million? , if i amw this morning not leaving, we are tied, and i have spent a fraction as much. reporter: the media -- the debate ends and people are talking about how you did, how she did. what do you think is the proper role for the media at this point? mr. trump: honestly, i just want them to be fair. [unintelligible] reporter: mr. trump! donald!

reporter: ms. clinton ask you today about the money given to -- what wasfather the number, mr. trump? mr. trump: everything i wanted to say, i got it out. the transgressions -- she takes all these commercials, spending literally hundreds of millions of dollars on commercials. it is a lot. toid not want to do it chelsea, a very wonderful young lady -- i did not want to say what i was going to say. i do not want to bring chelsea that. but it came out well. all of the online polls say that. reporter: she also attacked something you said about women. you think that was fair for the debate, or those cheap shots? mr. trump: i think it was very cheap. first of all, my father gave me a very small amount of money relative to what i still have, but i learned so much from him. i learned tremendously from my

father fred, my best friend. number 2 -- even that was not the big number. but i thought that was fair, except the number was wrong. the women thing, i thought that was disgraceful. but much more disgraceful and tonight are the commercials she is taking, because she is desperate. the polls are coming out. you know it better than anybody. we are really leading now, not just tied. when came out in pennsylvania. in every state, we are doing well. we can make america great again. she cannot make america great again. reporter: did you think your prep was sufficient? mr. trump: i think my prep was very good. reporter: undecided voters tonight -- mr. trump: make america great again. reporter: did hillary make a mistake tonight? to hismp: with respect transgressions -- he had major

transgressions. she spends hundreds of millions of dollars on ads. the with chelsea in the room, a wonderful young lady, i thought it would be inappropriate for me to say anything. i think it was a very fair debate. i love the people in westchester. reporter: do you think you are going to carry westchester? mr. trump: i think we are going to carry westchester. where is your camera? are you ready? i love the people of westchester. we are going to carry westchester. reporter: do you concede that was not your finest hour? mr. trump: no, i think it was great. i think we are winning. i think it was very exciting, overall. you walk on, you do not know exactly what is going to happen. all of the online polls, it has been tremendous. the online polls.

i mean, you get it. you have 80%, 90%. reporter: anything you wish you could have done differently? mr. trump: the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton. of respectave a lot for chelsea clinton, i just did not want to say what i was going to say. reporter: which is? mr. trump: i will tell you maybe next time. but i'm very happy. reporter: what about the involvement she has had [unintelligible]

mr. trump: honestly, i thought he did a great job. reporter: you thought the questions were fair? mr. trump: i think he did really well. everybody thinks it went really well. reporter: what do you think about hillary clinton tonight? how do you think she did? mr. trump: she has been doing this for years. [unintelligible] reporter: thank you. mr. trump: i love long island. this is a fun place. we have about 80% here, don't we? so i think long island is going to be very successful. thank you. reporter: great job, mr. trump. great job. reporter: lester holt tonight? mr. trump: i thought lester did great. reporter: he fact check you several times tonight. mr. trump: i thought lester did

a very good job. [unintelligible] photographer: mr. trump, turn this way, please? reporter: do you think you one tonight? mr. trump: i think we got the point across about making america great again. we are very happy with the way it worked out. we did very well. we are very happy. reporter: how did your opponent do? mr. trump: it is always the same talk. she has been there for years. nothing is happening. that is one of the big points we have made. i seems to be a natural. natural.ed to be a she is moving maybe on trade and immigration. reporter: what about on your tax returns? mr. trump: as soon as they are fully audited, we will get them.

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or satellite provider. donald trump and hillary clinton debated at hofstra university in hempstead, new york. topics included the economy, race, and national security. this was the first of three presidential debates. the moderator was lester holt of nbc news. lester holt: lester holt: good evening. i want to welcome you to the first presidential debate. the participants tonight are donald trump and hillary clinton. hillary clinton. this debate is sponsored by the presidential debates, a nonpartial nonpartisan organization. commissioner has drafted the format and the rules have been agreed to. dividedminute debate is into six segments, each 15 minutes long. topic areasre three tonight: achieving prosperity,

america's direction, and securing america. start of each segment, i will ask the same lead-off question to both candidates, have up to ll each two minutes to respond. from that point until the end have an egment, we'll open discussion. the questions are mine, and have not been shared with the campaign's.or the the audience here in the room has agreed to remain silent so that we can focus on what the are saying. i will invite you to applaud, however, at this moment as we candidates, democratic nominee for president of the united states, hillary clinton, and republican nominee for president of the donald j. trump. [cheering and applause] to ald trump: good luck you.

lester holt: well, i don't us to cover all the issues of this campaign tonight there areind everyone two more presidential debates scheduled. we will focus on the issues voters tell us are most important. i am honored to have this role but this evening belongs to the and just as important to the american people, candidates, we look forward to hearing you policies and ur your positions as well as your visions and your values. let's begin. we're calling this opening segment "achieving prosperity" central to that is jobs. there are two economic realities in america today. been a record six straight years of job growth and new census numbers show incomes have increased at a record rate after years of stagnation. inequality come remains significant and nearly half of americans are living paycheck. to beginning with you, secretary

clinton, why are you a better to ice than your opponent create the kinds of jobs that will put more money into the pockets of american workers? hillary clinton: thank you, lester, and thanks to hofstra hosting us. the central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together. granddaughter's second birthday, so i think about this a lot. first, we have to build an that works for everyone, not just those at the top. jobs, eans we need new good jobs, with rising incomes. i want us to invest in you. invest in your future. that means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean renewable and small business, because most of the new jobs will come from small business. make the ave to economy fairer. that starts with raising the wage and also um

guarantee finally equal pay for womens' work. i also want to see more companies do profit sharing. the profits,create you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top. do more to us to support people who are to balance family and work. i've heard from so many of you youut the difficult choices face and the stresses that you're under. have paid family leave, earned sick days. let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college. how are we going to do it? we're going to do it by having their fair pay share and close the corporate loopholes. tonight are on the stage together, donald trump and i. to be with s good you. we're going to have a debate we are talking about the important issues facing our country. you have to judge us. who can shoulder the immense

awesome responsibilities of the presidency? can put into action the plans that will make your life better? will be able to earn your vote on november 8th. lester holt: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, the same question to you. about putting more money into american workers. you have two minutes. donald trump: thank you, lester. our jobs are fleeing the country. they're going to mexico. they're going to many other countries. at what china is doing to our country in terms of making our product. devaluing their currency and there's nobody in our government to fight them and we have a very good fight winning fight, because they're using our country as a piggybank to and many other countries are doing the same thing. good jobs, sing our so many of them. when you look at what's happening in mexico, a friend of mine who builds plants said it's the eighth wonder of the world. building some of the biggest plants anywhere in the

world, some of the most sophisticated and best plants. with the united states, as you said, not so much. so ford is leaving. see that there's division, leaving. thousands of jobs, leaving michigan, leaving ohio. they're all leaving and we can't allow it to happen anymore. childcare is concerned and so many other things, i think hillary and i agree on that. disagree a little bit as to numbers and amounts and what we're going to do, but be talking about that later. but we have to stop our jobs from us.ng stolen we have to stop our companies leaving the united states and with it, firing all of their people. you have to do is take a look at carrier air indianapolis.in they fired 1400 people. they're going to mexico. so many hundreds and hundreds doing this.s are we cannot let it happen. under my plan, i will be

reducing taxes tremendously 15% for companies, small and big businesses. that's going to be a job creator like we haven't seen since ronald reagan. it's going to be a beautiful watch.to companies will come. they will build. they will expand. will start, and i look very, very much forward to doing it. we have to renegotiate our and we have to stop these countries from stealing our jobs.nies and lester holt: secretary clinton, would you like to respond? hillary clinton: i think that is an important issue. of course, we are 5% of the world's population. we have to trade with the other and we need to have smart, fair trade deals. need to have ah, tax system that rewards work and not just financial transactions. and the kind of plan that donald has put forth would be economics all over again. in fact, it would be the most extreme version, the biggest tax cuts for the top percent of

the people in this country than we've ever had. i call it trumped-up trickle down, because that's exactly what it would be. that is not how we grow the economy. we just have a different view what's best for growing the economy, how we make investments that will actually and rising s incomes. i think we come at it from somewhat different perspectives. i understand that. you know, donald was very and unate in his life, that's all to his benefit. with arted his business $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be, and that everything will work out from there. buy that. i have a different experience. my father was a small businessman. worked really hard. he printed drapery fabrics on out tables where you pull those fabrics and he went down with the silk screen and dumped the paint in and took squeegee and kept going. so what i believe is the more

we can do for the middle class, we can invest in you, your education, your skills, the better we will be off and the better we'll grow. that's the kind of economy i again. to see lester holt: let me follow up with mr. trump, if i can. you talked about creating 25 promised obs and you to bring back millions of jobs for americans. how are we going to bring back the industries that have left this country for cheaper labor overseas? how specifically are you going american manufacturers that you have to come back? donald trump: well, for one thing, and before we start on that, my father gave me a very small loan in 1975 and i built worth o a company that's many, many billions of dollars with some of the greatest say ts in the world, and i that only because that's the kind of thinking our country needs. our country is in deep trouble. know what we're doing when it comes to devaluations and all of these countries all over the world, especially they're the best, the best ever at it. what they're doing to us is a very, very sad thing.

so we have to do that. we have to renegotiate our trade deals. lester, they are taking our jobs. they're giving incentives. they're doing things that frankly we don't do. let me give you the example of mexico. they have a vat tax. we're on a different system. where we sell into mexico is a tax. where they sell an automatic 16% approximately. when they sell into us, there's tax. it's a defective agreement. a long en defective time, many years, but the politicians haven't done anything about it. now, in all fairness to secretary clinton, yes -- is that okay? good. very happy.to be [laughter] it's very important to me. to secretary ss clinton, when she started talking about this, it was really very recently, she's years, oing this for 30 and why hasn't she made the agreements better? the nafta agreement is of the ve just because tax and many other reasons, but just because of the tax interrupt t: let me just a moment. donald trump: