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>> in ohio for a look at longwood university in virginia, the site of tomorrow night's

vice presidential debate between and mike pence. of tuesday's vice residential debate, we'll look at virginia senator tim kaine and indiana governor mike pence video library.n >> i've seen the bad news of an and i've seen these stories and there will be more stories. there was something in the story yesterday that was different, you.it was your spirit of even in a dark day of optimism and community hope. >> the presidency is the most visible thread that runs through tapestry of the american government. more often than not for good or ill, it sets the tone for the branches, and it spurs the

expectations of the people. ts powers are vast and consequential. its requirements from the outset impossible foron mortals to fulfill without insisting the purposes as and its set forth in the united states. announcer: a look at tim kaine mike pence ahead of the vice presidential debate. and anytime on c-span.org listen at 8:00 p.m. eastern on the c-span radio app. and with indiana governor mike running for vice president, three challengers are vying to become the next governor of that state. just a little bit, about 20 minutes, for a debate among the candidates, democrat greg, lieutenant governor libertarian rex bell. the we'll have live coverage c-span. until then, from "washington

journal," the discussion on the millennials. on host: in boston, we're joined by volpe at the harvard institute of politics. e'll take a deep dive in views and campaign 2016 in this segment. volpe, maybe wea the d take time asking why most recent turnout among millennials has been lowered than most other age groups. question is, are they going to turn out in the same numbers in this election? hat do we know about potential turnout? guest: at this stage, we know that according to the public over the last en couple of weeks is they're less enthusiastic about this campaign in the 2012, 2008 campaign most certainly. time in 2012, only 45% on a millennials s of actually showed up to vote. in the four or five key swing ones , specifically the obama targeted, you saw overall

51%.out 50, so you're right, unfortunately, they don't vote to the same of other t members generations do. having said that, i think as paul mentioned in the previous the largest have generation in the history of america, and what that means is fact that not more than half of them will likely more we still may have people under the age of 30 participate in the campaign by oting than folks over the age of 65. approximately one in five of all votes will come from folks 18-29. of course, millennials extend all the way up to the age of 35 and 36 and that could be at a quarter of the lectorate being part of the millennial generation. john veldella volpe have een studying these issues a long time. roger says the problem with this discussion is that it's polling driven and one thing that's

clear is that polling data is perceived as partisan. say to some of those concerns? john: there's been debate and discussion across america this week about the different kinds of polls and certainly there was a big dispute after the debate n terms of the trump campaign indicating that a half dozen or so polls indicated he won the away.e going we call those polls up in polls onducted by media outlet where folks can vote numerous times. those are very different than traditional public opinion conducted by folks like us, politics at harvard, media where the other folks samples are representative of the american public and we do to make sure can any way.ot biased in in fact, a lot of the questions we've asked, we continue to ask past 16 years since we were in this project and most of the public polls are treated the same way. you have a republican as well as

to work together to collaborate on the question and end. estions on the back host: why don't you tell us what doing on debate night and if the debate changed millennials.any john: as you said, i'm the director of polling at harvard politics. of we were fortunate enough to have about 20 different schools part of the national campaign consortium participate. we sent out an invitation to about 100 students and about 50 of them were online with us across the country during the debate. from the university of florida, simpson college, from ohio state, university of other schools across the country, several of which were in swing states. essentially, over the course of debate, we were in contact asking them, both the heading into the debate, also during the debate and how the debate might have changed their opinions. essentially, what we found is not surprising, like most of the

public polling, hillary clinton into the debate with enough edge among the college students with.e were engaged 52%, i believe, of our sample debate into the preferred her to be the next president. he other half were split between trump, johnson, stein and undecided. coming out of it, she was stronger, although about 2/3 indicated that their mind wasn't changed. their mind hadid 2:1, they a margin of had preferred clinton. their mind changed towards her. said that, as i said, this is somewhere between -- we a virtual town meeting, it's somewhere between several different focus groups and a poll. so certainly not representative of everything but it gave us a touch with ep in college students as the debate was happening. host: and the way you've been millennials is through

the millennial agenda project president.xt what do millennials want to see from their next president? said, we've been polling this generation 16 years now and that includes 5 or 6,000 quantitative interviews every single year. in some cases, a handful. dozens of focus groups in other qualitative therviews with folks across country and essentially over the last six to nine months, we've andmbled all that research, we've asked -- we asked young to le 18-29 across america indicate the five most important issue points that they wanted to in the next president, whoever he or she might be. and essentially, we have found following five things are the key issues that form the illennial agenda for 18-29-year-olds today. the first of which, they seek to see a president clearly focusing on the big two issues in america today. jobs.he economy, creating two, ensuring that we're safe

from terrorism both at home as abroad. what's interesting, however, the issues that were discussed as well as rated very, our work was less tangible. and those include uniting mericans to address the sense of inequality that so many young people feel that's apparent in every single front for et ation, race, gender, cetera. in fact, the sense of inequality so manyhing that drives other issues in american politics today, especially in the minds of young voters. the third most important issue. the fourth was also interesting. millennials -- about half of the millennials really 9/11.touched by they were in high school, perhaps starting college, and they remember where they were on also they remember the aftermath in the immediate days after, where young americans, as ell as all americans were united, and young people really

seek a candidate and a president anymoret be dividing us but really uniting the country. post-9/11 sense where that e all acted as one, was the fourth issue. and the fifth and final issue, and perhaps young people telling four might be er more likely to happen if in the minds of young people we were reduce the role of big money in politics. hose are the five big agenda items i'm paying attention to as i look at this vice presidential two e next week and the presidential debates after that, to the extent of which one of can really idates address each of those five issues, i think they'll have are significant advantage connecting with millennials during the final days of the campaign. iop.harvard.edu if you want to check out some of his work as we're talking about it. open. lines are we split them up by age again. 8 to 29-year-olds, 202-748-8000.

30 to 45, 202-748-8001. 60-year-olds 202-748-8002. 202-748-8003. let's get right to it. in a has been waiting maryland on that line for 18 to 29-year-olds. good morning. caller: good morning. you? e host: doing well. caller: so i have a comment and a question. first, my comment specifically about millennials and, you know, talking very negatively about us living with quote unquote living in basements, which i don't. own place.y but can someone talk to the fact benefitting the home structure, staying with older parents who aren't actually making the money they retire.o be able to so you know, it's more of a nuclear family where it's beneficial to all people and able to save money to pay off debt and bills so going to actually enter

the american society without all kinds of debt. another o have question. tax reform is something very important to me. and i live in the area where the roads are not very well, and more money could be put into school and infrastructure. so can you please speak about the polling data and how about taxes eel reform, specifically about how being usedollars are for things that are beneficial nd that are going to help make america great again. thank you for taking my call. and i illary supporter look forward to hearing your questi question. great. lots of different points there. the first of which is when we taxes.th the issue of i don't think there's a question that young people in general are paying taxes as long as one thing happens, as long as they have a -- as long as they the government that they're paying the taxes to. there's a lot of data, both in surveys, and other that young people do generally

an active role of government. so that's one. ofthey're okay with the idea paying taxes. however, it's incredible mportant to note that like other members of the electorate, single year every show less trust and less faith related to prises government, you know, the congress, federal government, in some e government respect, we've seen less trust on a year to year basis. the concern is that -- and i think as we look at this just abouts it's not persuading young people to vote for one candidate, a second third te versus a candidate or fourth candidate, it's actually about reminding matters, government that whoever is responsible for -- whoever is president can move government in a way the country forward, that we need to establish both

trust in the system as well as those ithin each of campaigns. so that's one thing related to taxes and the role of government. living with your parents, you know, we talk to a lot of young people. that.on't like doing it indicates it's a sense of the a ermath of the recession as lot of people have mentioned. there's a piece of data that came out over the last couple of days in the wall street journal, however, that young people are taking more seriously than my generation, generation x, and millennials college in rough their early 30s than folks of other generations so it's a very folks have, ority especially with relationship to we can admit the fact that they are kind of living at one set of as just different set of priorities they have regarding the way in which hey think about their life financially. host: charles is in deltona florida on the line for 61 and over. charles, thanks for waiting. caller: good morning.

was a staunch bernie supporter, and it was very easy for me to make the transition to decide to vote for clinton, even though i don't fully agree with her policies. that the millennial generation that was backing recognize how important their contribution to country can our be, for them to decide now to do can to ng that they ensure that trump doesn't become our next president, and the way see that is that if somebody bernie a former supporter who's in a state that likely to decide the outcome of the election, that and we need to very t this message, it's important for those that vote

for clinton, and if they live in a state where it's very clear is going to go for clinton, that they come out some kind of ate protest vote that votes for a candidate other than trump. all that being said, i'd also say that -- i would like to get the opinion of the guest n the idea of lowering the voting age. i personally would be in favor age of, get this, 12 years old. proper voting the age for a true democracy. the age e who reaches of adulthood by puberty ought to be able to cast a vote. i think that if the voting ge was lowered to something like more probably realistically a, that we would actually get much greater turnout of voters throughout the lifetime of our ages, because i think if

people learned while they were significance of voting and had the capacity to as young articipate people, that that would stay with them throughout their and we would build a much greater nation of dedicated to re making our country great. host: all right. charles in florida. what do you think? john: i think it's an nteresting idea. however, before young people 16 and 17 are, you know, fighting that vote, i think it's incumbent that 18, 19, 21-year-olds actually vote. we said earlier in the segment, unfortunately, about one in two members of that cohort currently vote. so i think if we saw, you know, numbers much higher than that, hen perhaps that would be a stronger case. but although it's an interesting idea, i don't think it's likely happen anytime soon. host: boston, massachusetts is next. line for 18 to 29-year-olds.

rachel, go ahead. where are wondering the millennials that hillary clinton should focus on and how vote e convince them to for her? john: thanks. question, rachel. i think what's interesting is this race in many ways is going to the following scenario. i think it's the degree to which tolary clinton can reach out millennials versus gary johnson versus folks staying home on the couch. at this stage, she needs to do a couple of things. youngeds to both persuade people that their vote matters, important er, it's that young people are a part of this process, number 1, and then convince them that he is a better alternative and not protest that the other caller was talking about. it's a two-part equation she needs to fill. i'm looking at states like new hampshire, florida and ohio, north rginia and carolina, these are states where

the millennial vote has played a critical role, and will play a critical role not just in this 2008.gn but going back to north carolina, virginia, and indiana were three states in from red to ned blue during the obama campaign of 2008.ent and i think those states, plus new hampshire, plus florida, based upon the degree to which the millennial goes either to hillary clinton or a third party. station, n in fairfax virginia, on the line for those 61 and over. morning. john, you are there? esperanza, miami beach florida also on the line and older. caller: good morning. millennials who live in the

asement of their parents are they would ecause like to be a scandinavian, free.ng everybody i don't think so. i may believe that that's what '50s, in in the late istory, was a very important part of our education. ut now high schools are more teaching.d in state of everybody study. they are mainly interested in indoctrinating the students to like socialists. and how do you say, the young millennials, they don't -- it's mainly lack of information. right.all that's esperanza. john, do you want to talk about that? the question? john: i got the gist of the

question. thank you, esperanza. actually asked a series of questions in the polling that we released in the spring time. it at the end of april. it's available on our web site, iop.harvard.edu, and we asked folks about the reviews around socialism, capitalism, and several other kind of political labels used in american politics today. of theually, one i think most significant results that we found in recent years was the that less than half of young people support capitalism. certainly the way in which capitalism in their mind is today, and a smaller number than the 42% who indicated they supported capitalism called themselves capitalis capitalists. having said that, i think that's on the system today, on the sense of inequality, on wall street is playing, but it's not to say

that young people are we asked theecause exact same question. we had fewer people indicate that they support or consider socialists.o be so the idea that they're socialists. to say they are we take you live now to the indiana governors debate with mike pence running for vice president. three contestants running. is gettingverage underway next, on c-span. >> sponsored by the indiana debate commission.

>> good evening and welcome to the indiana debate commission's second gubernatorial debate of the fall campaign season. being televised at the university of indianapolis. we have three candidates running for governor. succeed governor mike pence, a republican and is the running mate of donald trump. i am your moderator. president of the indiana fiscal policy institute, a nonpartisan non-for-profit that conducts research into the state's tax policies and budget practices. for the next hour, the debates issues.ate

members of the public, that is you, have the opportunity to submit questions to the debate commission about what concerns you. and most of our questions are drawn from those questions. all of the questions were approved by the debate commission and none of the questions have been shared with any of the candidates in advance. so here are our candidates. bell, the libertarian candidate. a small business owner. eric holcomb is the republican candidate. he is the indiana lieutenant governor. john gregg is the democratic candidate. the former indiana house speaker. they candidates positions on the stage and the order in which they will answer questions were determined by the debate commission. -- after asking question, each candidate will have the opportunity to respond

for one minute. each candidate will also have a 32nd rebuttal time depending on the question. if a candidate exceeds the amount of time for the response that i will ask them to stop. before the final question, each candidate will be given an opportunity to address a topic of their choice. this allows them to discuss a topic that they feel is important but has not been touched on in the questions or they could go back at this point and discuss and delve into an issue further. the candidates have agreed to a set of rules that agreed to no props or tools. have andidate will opportunity to intruders themselves in an opening statement, starting with rex bell. rex bell: i would like to thank the university of indianapolis at the indiana debate commission for inviting us here. i especially would like to thank the indiana debate commission for acknowledging that there are three candidates on the ballot.

doesn't happen with all of the media outlets so we certainly do appreciate it when we are acknowledged. voters have placed us on the ballot with their votes and we think they deserve to hear all of the options. hagerstown,l from indiana. i operate my own business, i have for 42 years. i like to say in spite of the government, instead of because of the government. and we plan on doing that further. take myhink we can knowledge of operating a small business and transfer that into the operation of the government. thank you. from eric now we hear holcomb. thank you to the university of indianapolis and the debate commission. and all of you who are joining us, here or live streaming at

home, soon we will celebrate our 200th birthday, our bicentennial and we have blazed trails over the last 200 years. way throughed our new frontiers and achieved amazing things once thought in thinkable. i will submit to you that there are a couple of reasons why we have been able to make such progress and also that over the last 12 years, we have come further and faster than probably any other 12 your time. it is because of leadership and because hoosiers have come to meet high expectations. so over the course of the last 12 years, i have been so proud to have been a part of the leadership that ushered in that progress. and i look forward to talking about the issues of 12 years ago and leading up to this point, where we are today and where we will be 12 years from now. fromator: next, we hear john gregg. thank you.

i would like to serve as our state's 51st governor. tonight you will see there are distinct differences between the candidates. imagine, if you to you would, having a governor that shows respect for all hoosiers. that doesn't promote discrimination. have a governor who focuses like a laser on the economy, on high wage jobs and attracting jobs -- not scaring them away. i'd like you to imagine a governor who takes the politics out of education. who refocuses education on the students. prekindergarten is realizes that teaching part of the solution and not part of the problem. imagine a governor who doesn't accept the status quo. imagine. you don't have to imagine, this can be reality. i have the skills to aim higher.

to provide leadership and i have the experience and we will work best ideas take the of democrats, republicans and independents using my experience as a public, private and academic sector in a written plan to lead us to the 201st year. thank you very much. now to our questions. the first question from samuel watkins, a resident of indianapolis. the only solution to add jobs to our state is to create them ourselves. forhe moment our well cared and educated kids must flee to other states for work. my question is not how you will bring jobs that how you open up the portal for high school and college graduates to innovate and create here rather than move away. because the jobs are not going to move your. moderator: rex bell? rex bell: certainly, that is a

concern for everybody. it was a concern for me when my children were graduating. here.t to keep the jobs we understand the government does not create jobs. what we need to do is create atmosphere where jobs can be created by citizens and by businesses. we are doing that and our plan is to eliminate the property tax and do the same thing the government does now but when it tries to attract businesses. it does away with property taxes for a very select few and we think we can do away with that for all. remove somet we can of the licensing restrictions that stand in the way of small businesses. small business is a main contributor of jobs in the state. think with those combinations, we can create an atmosphere where people can start businesses easily and

where businesses will want to locate to indiana. >> while the jobs are coming here in record numbers. i mentioned 200 years before we celebrated our birthday. we are more people working in the private sector than at any time in our history. triple-a credit rating. we live within our means as a state government. first and foremost, that is the most important thing a state can do. make it an attractive place for people who want to work and innovate and choose to do it here. we have started to think about things regionally. regional city initiatives that we addressed in three parts of our state to try to make our communities vibrant communities. we have been rated on two different rankings with top states for millennials to, and work here, because the jobs are in fact there and because it is

a low cost state. so the dollar goes a lot further. so the state needs to make sure we keep our books in order to make an attractive, predictable, credible place for folks to innovate. and it is happening. we have a 35 point economic development plan and is much as i would like to do all 35 points, i don't think anyone wants to sit and listen to all of them tonight. so i would encourage you to look at our website. see the 30 top points were we spell it out in detail. thealk about unleashing entrepreneurial spirit. we talk about focusing on small business growth. and working with existing businesses as well as attracting new businesses. the truth of the matter in indiana is that right now we have lost again in per capita income. that mean? that means for a family of four sitting down for supper tonight

in irvington that they make $7,000 less than the average american family. that is $150 over week. that affect your quality of life, for many hoosier families. so please check out our program. if we focus on the economy and not on divisive issues, we can work to make our per capita income in indiana a better place. moderator: i'm going to ask a question next, and it relates to this directly. 36 among theis states but that was the measure that was put forth by governor daniels when he first took office as a sign of prosperity. indiana has a clear in its job growth, there is no question. yet the personal income per capita remains stagnant. ranked 36 among the 50 states. so tell me, what does the state need to do to ensure that we keep up with job development?

eric holcomb is first. eric holcomb: we need to continue what we are doing, and on steroids. salesforcereason why has just decided to move 800 more jobs to the state of indiana. further ingoes a lot indiana. our low cost of living goes a lot further in indiana than some of the states you are comparing us to. i were have gone up each and , lonelyar since 2005 were at $17 an hour where we are $21 an hour. and when you factor in those jobs, it is 26% higher than that. so we need to continue to diversify our economy with notciences, high-tech -- just manufacturing -- we are number one in the nation in manufacturing and we will continue to glean in manufacturing.

but the programs in place, the workforce development programs, they are gaining traction. hoosiers are working harder and harder and getting less and less. talk to your neighbors. you will see many of them are working two jobs. twoackground is working for fortune 500 companies and is a small businessman -- that is when we put together a proposal that focuses on high wage jobs. and that is where i will stay focused. and in five areas we have high growth and high wage job potential. is in life sciences and biosciences and it is also in information technology. it is in the 21st century logistic and an advanced manufacturing. if we stay focused on those areas, take politics out of those areas and better align our educational system with the job demands, we can still that skilled job gap that we have and we can move indiana forward.

the status quo isn't getting it and that is not acceptable anymore. we can do better in indiana. rex bell: certainly, when we talk about higher wages, job competition is the best thing we can do. when we attract more businesses, businesses have to compete for workers. that is what drives wages up. as eric holcomb mentioned, we do have a more affordable standard of living in indiana, which is a help and then only raise the wages by drawing more businesses in, it is the best thing we can keeps the government's hands out of it, altogether, that is something we can accomplish without asking the government for help. without having the government for more regulations on us. moderator: the next question -- and we received many questions on the future of the state

forests -- one of them is from questioner, samantha. >> there has been a significant increase in the state logging. as a mother, i am worried that our state forests will not be around for my children and their children to enjoy. do you believe our state forests should be managed for public purchases -- public purposes? or to supply the tender industry? john gregg: thank you. we have an environmental plan that is one of 12 policy initiatives to address this issue. i've been to many areas in the all the way to the southern part of the state and i have seen some of the things we have had done. a lot of devastation in our forest area. timber industry is a huge industry. and it is a vital industry.

that i think we have to review it. we are allowing a lot more timber than we had in the past. it has been just relying on 10% of the acreage and now we are relying on 40% of the acreage. and we are selling below-market costs. that is just wrong. we are competing with private interests and that shouldn't be the way things are done. we need to take note of how much we are logging on these states. and quit competing with private business, it is just wrong, what we're doing right now. we bell: you know, i think can do both. i don't think we had to choose one of the other. totainly, there is a need protect part of that. but we also need to understand that there is a need to harvest or we end up with trees of eventually growing up and fall down, it is something we have to take care of. we thinkw corn, nothing about that but because

we are in a situation, we don't think in long term it is all right to grow one thing and harvested but not another. trees, that is something we grow and something we need to harvest. i would agree that we need to be more careful in the park system but i don't think we need to get in a situation where we are saying absolutely nothing out of the parks. i think rangers and people who study that have a better handle on what trees need to go and what trees need to say. bewell, as a state, we can and we are being stewards on both fronts. we are actively proud of our department of natural resources and our forestry department within. many folks in the urban areas don't realize that indiana is 83% farm and forest. and we have done a good job from the department of the national resources perspective maintaining and sustaining our

private and public land. we also have taken a couple of steps further. over the last nine years, we have had two different independent firms audit our forest reprogram. and we have met the national and international standards. beon this front, i couldn't prouder of our department of natural resources personnel. , werator: our next question had two questioners who brought up issues involving religious freedom restoration act, which was perceived as discriminatory in the states and action on the lgbt writes. so do you think the religious freedom restoration act has hurt the state and competing for jobs? rex bell. rex bell: you know, it was certainly raised, that issue, or there would be a lot of damage done from that. i don't know that we have seen that. i don't agree with passing that.

iveon't agree we should g certain groups of people rights that other people don't have. discriminate for religious objectives and for others you can't. i thought it was an unnecessary law federal a lot of attention to something that has been overruled now anyway. so it is something i hope we can put behind us and move on from that. i would certainly like to see a state where all people are treated equally. where all people have the same rights. i think we need to understand that. well, over the last year i have had the privilege and ability to travel to all 92 counties throughout the state of indiana. and i can tell you that i have received a lot of feedback. there are good people on both ends of this issue, who have differing opinions. contrasting opinions. and what we've witnessed over

this last year, during the oferal assembly, both sides the issue did not come to a consensus or agreement. we made no progress. in fact, both sides said they would not seek a compromise. and then we had a committee hearing a few months ago and again, it came back that there was no compromise or no inching towards any kind of agreement. we had indiana local ordinances that allow folks to address the economic development side of this with local hr initiatives in local communities. if they seek to, they have been and they seek not to, they haven't been. we have had a record tourism year after we got through this. john gregg: the truth is, this issue has hurt us economically. we need to show respect to all hoosiers. than aboutbou

economics, it's about respect. we would sign an executive order that would give civil rights the members of the lgbt community who work for the state of indiana. we would also seek for the legislator to park legislature to grant civil rights protection and from hate crimes of members of the lgbt community. and in the economic plan, we tell how we would create a marketing fund to work and undo the damage. and unlike the current administrator, we would hire indiana firms to do this. and the ordinances that we hear about -- those can't happen. they were banned by the legislature. salesforce came to indiana, because indianapolis had passed a local ordinance that that power has been taken away now by the legislature. >> i would like to have a quick follow up, but 30 seconds.

today, the seventh district federal court in a separate case, regarding rights, upheld the lower states preliminary injunction, allowing for syrians to be located into the state of indiana. in 30 seconds, which each of you tell me what you think of the programs that governor pence's decisions to stop those programs and what you think going forward? rex bell: well, i disagree with governor pence's take on that. we could put one group of people , love them together, one thing libertarians have always looked at is that everyone is an individual. and when you take a state and say, you have a nationality on a block, that is wrong. we need to look at people as individuals. certainly. if we have somebody who is a

known terrorist coming in, we have remedies for that. but to plight an entire nation and group them altogether, it didn't sit well. .t's something we would look to eric holcomb: what is happening syria is heartbreaking, to the least. so i understand where governor pence was when he made the decision. balancing making sure we are keeping americans safe -- and when you hear the fbi director stand up before the country, and say, we don't know if they are infiltrating this network -- i understand where he came from. but we will continue to honor the court's decision as this works through. know, the: yes, you lawsuits that the state of indiana filed cost thousands of tax dollars. i'm a lawyer and i don't you and

like to see them spend money on stuff like this. it's a waste of our precious tax dollars. this could be decided on a case-by-case basis and it should be, to see if these people are thoroughly vetted. i disagree with what the governor has done. because it is wrong to ban someone based on their religion. i was raised a methodist. what do we do if they decide they will ban all methodists? or the next thing, we banned catholics? it is wrong to ban people based on ethnicity, race, religion or nation of origin. it is just wrong. question: our next comes from stephanie, a small business owner. the am a strong believer in second amendment. done also believe that all purchasers should undergo a criminal background check. where do each of the candidates stand on the issue of universal background checks for all gun sales? we havecomb: i believe

it about right where we are now. my wife, who is with me today is and safety handgun shooting instructor. she became one after we were looking into twice. the last time as we were sleeping. i am a staunch defender of the second amendment. and i understand the reason why it is number two. also am a strong defender of the second amendment. live on a farm and i am a gun owner. i first went hunting when i was 8-year-old. i believe in responsible gun ownership -- which is just called common sense. for the life of me, i can't understand why we would let somebody we don't want on an airplane to buy a semiautomatic weapon, or if someone has mental health issues, to get a semiautomatic weapon. that, itone does like

jeopardizes our right to own a gun. and i think we need some common sense. rex bell: i'm a strong supporter, not only is the second limit, but also of our natural right of self-defense. i'm concerned when the government comes out and says, you know, going to start doing background checks on somebody that we might believe shouldn't own a gun. you know, that could very well be a criminal but it could also be somebody who disagrees politically. we could very well say, well, i'm worried about the libertarians, they don't till the line like they should. maybe they shouldn't have guns. so anytime the government treads on the second amendment, you need to be very careful. very wary of what they're doing. the best laid intentions could backfire on us. moderator: thank you. here is a question on regional development. request, theence's

general assembly created a program to spend one at a $26 million in funds for local projects to three different regions of the state. with aogram was paid for one-time tax amnesty payment. do you think this regional development program should continue, and, if so, how should it be funded? if not, what to the state do to ensure that rural, suburban and urban areas enjoy the benefits of economic development? john gregg: i want you to hang on. i think the regional cities program is a good idea. [laughter] and i would be remiss if i didn't congratulate the governor on the plan. but i think we can do a better indiana ise, where lacking -- we put this forward in our proposal for local government. that is about local control. the legislature really started

all local levels of government. city, town, counties, school boards. they need flexibility on how they spend and use their local resources, which are precious and limited. this legislature has got to realize that the government that governs best is the one that is closest to them. that is why there are county commissioners, mayors and councils and school boards. we have to stop micromanaging and allowing a little flexibility and local control for our communities. , as ang communities indiana university study went out, is central to gross in indiana. rex bell: you know, when you talk about the government that governs best, well, it might be the one closest to you but we also believe it is the one that governs the least. and what we have with the regional cities development is government taking tax dollars

and picking winners and losers. sending money to one region and not to another. favor ofry much in allowing people to keep their money invested as they see fit. they should exist but they should be funded by willing investors, connecting to businesses that want to locate or want to start up. so as far as the government taking our tax money and picking different locations and companies -- we think that is better left to the people rather than turning it over to the government. eric holcomb: i think a government function best when we work together from a state and local perspective and that is exactly what the regional cities initiative drives that. also, stellar communities and main street programs, i have way of think, it is a

the future. we need to do more of it. this is calling for communities theire an inventory of assets and liabilities. we understand that we are much stronger together. a study if ball state is close to a neighboring county, the should try tounty take advantage of all the assets that come with that. i will try to do more of this. this is government working with each other, and it's about a the localurn with community, the business community, and the states perspective. moderator: i want to follow up. 30 seconds for each of you.

what can the state due to ensure that rural, suburban, and urban economic benefits? to emphasize broadband. there are 1400 people in indiana that do not have broadband connectivity. essential for our suburban and rural communities. it is all over the state. you can be 10 miles south of bloomington on i-69, and you don't have a signal, and you are outside one of the states are mere educational institutions. broadband, infrastructure, good roads and bridges, and a long time plan. moderator: thank you. mr. bell. mr. bell: when we look at the rural, urban, and suburban areas, those are areas that have different needs and different wants.

start saying when this state is going to step in and micromanage, and that is not what the government should be doing. what the government should be doing is allowing people to make these decisions on their own. certainly, keeping the roads up is something we could do a much better job if we put roads use taxes into the roads. there is so much the government could help by staying out of the way. we believe that communities and cities will make their own decisions. moderator: thank you. mr. holcomb. again, i think this was the regional cities initiative to try to create vibrant communities. it was not just a single community, it was a region, but of course, it is about connecting one to the other. broadband is a fantastic example of not just access, but speed. going toion is who is

pay for it. the federal government has some programs that help on the rural front, but when you get into the southern terrain, the hilly, rocky terrain, it becomes very, very expensive. we need to make sure our communities are ready. people haveome questions about indiana's infrastructure. after a bridge gave out, a section of i-65 had to be closed last fall. the governor stepped up spending on maintenance for roads and bridges. the legislature will be revisiting the issue this year. what do you think it will take to ensure the infrastructure can be kept in good repair, and how would you pay for it? mr. bell: i have mentioned before, i think one of the most important things we can do is insist that all of our road use taxes are spent on the road at the state am a local, and federal level. certainly, indiana does a better

than some states, but not all of the money is always applied to the roads. we see a lot of road use taxes spent on different things, walking trails, museums, that sort of thing, we think the most important thing we can do is apply all the road use taxes to the roads. if we find out it's not enough, we can reconfigure from there, but i think we will be pleasantly surprised. last year, the u.s. department of transportation rated indiana number one in road condition. just this year, that study had us at number one in terms of our infrastructure. we have invested $11 billion to get to where we are. that were projects sitting on the shelves for years and years, i-69, the hoosier

heartland, upgrading u.s. 31. we now find ourselves, coming out of this last legislative session, where we have agreed to take inventory of all of our wants and needs and put everything on the table in order to pay for all those wants and/or needs. i look forward to seeing that report later this year. it was an agreement we had during the session to keep everything on the table. next session, we will address how we are going to pay for it. i want to invite people to drive on the roads i have been driving. best roads in indiana. the truth is indiana is falling further and further behind. my running mate christina hale 3.2 billiongether a

dollar infrastructure plan, 3.2 billion dollars. the money is split into two pots. .oads and bridges the other 60% goes to quality-of-life issues, drinking water, industrial water, storm sewers, industrial water, cultural trails, green spaces, broadband. we need to come up with a plan that addresses our infrastructure for longer than two years or four years. this is a huge economic hendricks in indiana. check out our infrastructure planned. hindrance inc indiana. check out our infrastructure plan. no new taxes and it doesn't come out of a bond at all. mr. gregg will speak first for one minute and be followed by mr. bell on the same

topic for a maximum of two minutes. mr. holcomb will speak on the topic for up to two minutes. then we will close out that topic with a one minute rebuttal by mr. gregg. the other two candidates will then have the same opportunity to speak on a topic of their choice following the normal rotation and format. mr. greg, you have a minute to open. mr. gregg: thank you. discuss the economy without talking about education. as the former president of the university, i know firsthand the value of early childhood development, prekindergarten. 42 states have it. the statistics are irrefutable. a student with pre- kindergarten is more likely to graduate high school and get a secondary education, less likely to be jailed or on drugs, makes on average $160,000 more and lives a healthier lifestyle. the is money invested in

future just like our infrastructure. that is why the indiana chamber ofcommerce list it as one our top five goals. i have met with executives at major companies who say we have to do prekindergarten. the time is now. let's quit studying it. let's do it. we can do it i prioritizing existing jobs, using existing dollars, and not raising taxes. i think we need to look at what indiana offers for education now. they-12, anybody who wants it, certainly, colleges -- k -12, anybody who wants it, community commun colleges, people can attend for a reasonable cost. they can get a two-year or four-year degree. i think we have come up with that. i think we provide that for

people very well now. when we talk about pre-k, this is another issue where government is reaching farther into the family. $160,000 alk about year, that is quite a jump. i don't see it happening. i don't see -- when we talk will see better results from family involvement than you will from turning your children over at the younger age to the government. this is what we are looking for. make things more affordable so that families can stay home if they need to and want to to raise their children. there are communities, churches, businesses, if they want to help , help employees out with a pre-k, but to put it into

the government where it will eventually end up being , because kindergarten started out as optional and there is a push now to make it mandatory, certainly, the same thing would happen with pre-k. we need to re-examine the proper and get iternment out of the home right quick. i am in favor of expanding pre-k. it's important to recognize at the outset that we didn't even have up high program until recently. we have come obvious years with nothing and now we have a program in place where we offered it through the fsa to be available for the most disadvantaged among us. i think that's where we need to continue to expand. i think we need to move the folks in the back of the line, the folks who need extra help of the most -- certainly, not make it mandatory, the folks at a

certain poverty level, we need to make sure we are doing all we can to move them to the front of the line. so, i am all in favor of expanding that program. right now, it is in five different counties. there is a diverse collection of county. we can continue to expand across the state. the question is always who is going to pay for it and how much is it, how much does it cost not to address this? i am all in favor of expanding mix sonically -- methodically, keeping in context cost and mix. do not want us to just throw a 500 million dollar program on them and ask them to comply. we need to start ushering folks in. moderator: mr. gregg, one minute to sum it up. only 1500 there are

students being served by that pilot program. there are 80,004-year-olds in indiana. 80,000 four-year-olds in indiana. we have the money. the first year will cost 150 million dollars. we will never get 100% of students because it's not mandatory. the current administration turned down $80 million of federal money because they were upset with the president. out of the 78,500 students, ask how many of them have lost opportunities? i don't want to look a parent in the eye and say your child cannot go to prekindergarten. we have the money. if we can't invest in our children, what have we become? the status quo is not getting it at all. do away with the line.

i mean, i can't believe it. kentucky has prekindergarten. where i'm from, that's something we laugh over. moderator: thank you. mr. bell, you have one minute to introduce the topic of your choice. mr. bell: the topic of my choice would be why was this country founded. the government we were under it the time was way too big. since it was founded, the one we have now, gets bigger and bigger. you like to say try to name three things that government doesn't tax or regulate. it's hard to do. the government is into every aspect of our lives. and the other two parties now are talking about making government even bigger. one will say we are not going to make it as big as the other guys are going to make it, but it's still a matter of growth.

we believe people are capable of running their on life. we believe they are capable of making their own decisions. that is what we would strive to do. get out of the way of business. get out of the way of parents when they try to educate their children. get out of the way of teachers. we can do a much better job than we are doing now by making government smaller. moderator: thank you very much. mr. holcomb, two minutes. mr. holcomb: attracting talent to the state of indiana speaks right to >>'s point. -- speaks right to his point. that is why i am proud that indiana was ranked the freest state in the country. the government is not on our backs. every dollar we take from the taxpayer takes a little freedom away from the taxpayer, so i think we have to be overly cautious and very deliberate and transparent about what we are spending taxpayer dollars on.

we find ourselves -- found ourselves pre-2005 spending more money than we were bringing in, in a backseats position when it came to competing for talent and jobs around the world. i will continue to because cautious because we are in a very competitive position right now. we need to because it is when government intrudes into our daily lives, and we have been -- government when intrudes into our daily lives, and we have been over the last two decades. speaker 16when i was years ago, we started making changes to the tax structure in indiana that continued on through governor daniels. we are now the fourth or fifth -- for theto do

or fifth best state to do business in but we are 45th in attracting new businesses. laserlike focus on the economy creating high wage jobs. we have to take the politics out of education if we are going to move indiana forward. it is so important to focus our economic activities in these areas that have high growth, high wage jobs. we need to be talking about the economy. we need to be talking about our infrastructure and having a real plan. we have plans on our website. there are 12 of them, 18,000 words that layout in details how we can do this. we talk also about how we need to focus on work, education, infrastructure, and having an

adult conversation on our drug epidemic, something that is destroying the fiber of our community. we need to admit what we are doing is not working. we need to have an adult, or say show in and get law enforcement, mental health people, workforce development people, education people, and sit down and have a discussion on what we can do to stop this that is gripping our whole state. there is a place for government, and this is an area we need to be talking about this very election. that's why we talk about it in our campaign everyday. it's not a drug problem. it's an epidemic. mr. bell: you mentioned that we are the fourth freest state. i would mention that where the federal government is right now, the bar is very low. i think we need to be the first

freest state. i think that's what we should always be striving for. time someone is spending a billion dollars, that takes $600 from every family in indiana. about $3 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion, that is taking away our money, taking away your freedom, taking away your right to make decisions. so important that we get a hold of this government, that we get it pushed back where it belongs instead of running to it every day saying what can you do for me? i need more money. take some money from my neighbor and give it to me. thank you. mr. holcomb, you have one minute to introduce a topic. mr. holcomb: i think the second question was a really insightful one about the future of our

state. i could not agree more with where you were driving. when we assess what we need to improve on in indiana, one of the main barriers is how do we attract more talent, not just how to retain the talent we groom at our world-class universities throughout indiana, we get that talent to reside and go to work at nestle, go to work at gaba should, boston scientific, cook and lily. geernational -- work at aviation, boston scientific, lilly.d eli international companies. we have a plan to invest a billion dollars on a front. these are areas where, if we are going to create separation from

us and the rest of the pack, we need to do more, and we are. moderator: mr. gregg, you have two minutes. our wages in indiana are again growing less than in the state of kentucky. that's nothing for us to brag on in indiana. i worked for two fortune 500 companies. living and working in rural indiana, i know how hoosiers across the state struggle. the first thing we have to do is be a welcoming state, and we are not right now. we have to show respect to all people, and we have to focus on and theomy infrastructure. we talk about increasing the venture capital tax credit, allowing the sale of that, establishing a growth and opportunity fund for entrepreneurs and people of all ages. the things weare

need to be talking about. we need to be focusing on how education and the talent is the key. there is a gentleman in indiana who runs the lumina foundation. he has written a fantastic book that gets me excited. it is called talent. i would encourage you to look at it. hasays the state of indiana the opportunity in the next five years to create 300,000 new living wage jobs. but if we don't have the talent, they are going to leave. and they are not leaving central indiana or indiana. they are not leaving the midwest. they might stop on one of the coasts, but odds are they will cross one of the oceans. we have to focus on the economy going forward. and not just minimum wage jobs. we have to take high wage, high growth jobs and use the best

ideas of both democrats and republicans. using my experience from the business and academic sector, we can move indiana ahead. moderator: mr. bell, two minutes. mr. bell: certainly, the future of the state is very important to all of us, i would hope. how do we make those decisions? talk about attracting large businesses, which is important. but small businesses are the backbone of the state and where most employees are. i think we can attract all businesses, large and small, by creating a more business friendly atmosphere. that's the kind of thing that will create more jobs. 300,000, not bad. every business is

welcome here and you will have the lowest operating cost because you are not paying property taxes, we can attract business. competing,sses start wages go up. it's a win-win situation we should be jumping on. we can do so much and gain by getting government to step back and allow people to work on allowown, all lal p -- people to develop their own businesses, allow businesses to to come to want indiana. we don't have to worry about one business leaving when there are two waiting to come in. i don't think we need to look to the government to fix this. i think this is something we can fix ourselves and ask the government to step back. , oneator: mr. holcomb minute to readdress the topic. a fourcomb: indiana has

point 5% unemployment rate, lower than national average. ceo magazine has rated indiana the number one state in the midwest to do business. that's something kentucky can't claim. we are the number one state for small business. that's something kentucky can't claim. i am proud to have the endorsement of the national federation of independent for indiana. they are the lifeblood of our community, and opportunities are everywhere you look. we need to make sure we are continuing to keep our state way out in front when it comes to where folks around the world and around the country are looking to relocate their businesses. and companies will continue to grow when we keep our fiscal house in order. moderator: thank you.

theto our final question of night. this will be a 32nd response -- 30 second response from each of you. why would you be the best candidate to lead indiana into the future? mr. gregg. mr. gregg: because i want to serve as governor, not be governor. i have a servant's heart. i give the credit of that to my wife. given the topics that seem almost impossible to deal with, but we have to tackle them, that's why i want to be governor. we have talked to people all across the state, hundreds of people, and over 120 people helped us come up with a written plan. i have made her payroll. moderator: your time is up. 30 seconds. mr. bell. bell: what was the question again? [laughter]

why would you be the indianadidate to lead to its economic future? mr. bell: because i have operated a business for 42 years. i know what it takes to run a business. i know what it takes to attract the business. i know what businesses face when they run up against attacks or unnecessary regulation. i believe i have the ability and indianaledge to arrange so that businesses would want to come to indiana, and i hope you will give me a chance to do that. moderator: mr. holcomb. mr. holcomb: well, for the very purpose of this debate, on jobs and economy, i stepped forward with thered the call former governor when the state was in a fiscal mess. we turn things around and got

moving in the right direction. thanve more people working ever before in our state history and have a low unemployment rate. i will continue to focus on the things that got us this far. economic development, community development, and making sure we are delivering good government at great taxpayer value. moderator: thank you. gentlemen, thank you for being here to share your views on these important values. and thanks to all of you for watching and listening. we want to give a special shout out to ball state university for hosting this program. and to the league of women voters for keeping the clock. i want to remind the viewer is that you would put to the remaining in the one gubernatorial debate and the one u.s. senate debate that has been scheduled. do that at indianadebatecommission.com.

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