military readiness and national security, and i'm hoping to be a part of the discussion of rebuilding the military. >> tell us about your background, which includes broadcasting. mr. pence: it does. although i'm trained as an attorney, i have spent the last seven years of my life working in syndicated call-in radio, c-span without the cameras. and enjoyed very much being a daily syndicated talk host, exclusively in indiana and often did a little bit of television work. hopefully that prepared me well and taught me how to be a listener. >> what happened learned from your listeners about what their concerns are as the new congress starts? mr. pence: i have learned that people are genuinely concerned with that which most closely touches their lives. the security of their family, the strength of their jobs and local economy. the education of their children.

when i was a talkshow host i found that when we were talking about issues that came close to home, we strike a responsive chord. as i come into congress, i hope to focus on those kinds of issues. >> you have small children? mr. pence: we have three small children under the age of eight. the hardest working campaigners in indiana. >> with such small children, will you be moving to family or stay home? mr. pence: it's a difficult decision to make. we are going to make some plans in the short term to home-school, so my wife, who is a 15 year public school teacher, will take on those duties and permit us to live in both places. when congress is in session, i want my wife and children with me here. as soon as we are out of session, we want to be home in indiana. >> a lot of talk with new members about the bipartisanship of the freshman class coming in. how will you reach across the political aisle? mr. pence: i always used to say

on my radio program that i'm a conservative but i'm not in a bad mood about it. i really believe that civility is essential to the survival of the republic. we have to develop once again in this congress and in the national government and national debate, a new civility that brings with it a sense of humility, sense of humor, and the ability to argue the issues vigorously but walk out the door and understand we are all americans, we are all working hard to make america a better place. >> on april 5, 2003, the city of richmond and the u.s. historical society unveiled a statue of abraham lincoln. according to "the new york times," members of sons of confederate veterans held a protest that same day at the grave of jefferson davis. the statue commemorates president lincoln's visit to richmond shortly after the city fell to union forces near the end of the civil war. then virginia lieutenant governor tim kaine spoke at the

dedication ceremony. [applause] mr. pence: thank you all very much. the lincoln douglas debates often took four or five hours under a hot sun. [laughter] mr. pence: this is about an hour and 15 minutes. we are getting to the critical part. what a great day it is to be a virginian. [applause] mr. pence: -- mr. kaine: there are some who have asked the question, does abraham lincoln belong in richmond? does abraham lincoln belong in virginia? what a great joy it gives me, as someone elected to statewide office by the voters of the commonwealth of virginia, to answer that question and say yes, we claim abraham lincoln as one of our own. we claim abraham lincoln as a brother. we claim abraham lincoln as a virginian. [applause]

mr. kaine: we claim abraham lincoln as a brother and virginian because of family connection, his mother and father's families were both from virginia. we claim him as a brother and virginian because of affection that he held for the south, for southerners, and virginian's during his entire life, even during the difficult war years, and most especially in the days after the war. but we most specifically claim -- especially claim lincoln as a virginian because the project of his mature adult life was to pick up and rescue from the dustbin the most virginian of values that all men are created equal, and to work to continue that project that was authored by that other virginian, thomas jefferson, 85 years before. that was the work of abraham lincoln's life. [applause] mr. kaine: to be true to virginia values. just click history. it is hard to remember this. abraham lincoln learned those words from the declaration of independence when he was a young

man going to fourth of july ceremonies when the declaration of independence would be read. but you know after the , declaration of independence was prepared by jefferson, when the constitution was written a decade later, there was nothing in the constitution about the equality of all men. that was left out in the constitution. instead the constitution enshrined inequality by protecting slavery. the constitution even said that african-americans in the south would be counted as 3/5 of a person, enshrining inequality, and that was the world that abraham lincoln grew up in. in the 1850's, when he was out of politics probably forever, according to him and others, but still following the events of the day, there were debates on the floor of the senate in which a senator from indiana, a northern state, said this about jefferson's words.

senator john pettit of indiana in 1854 said, "jefferson's promise of equality was a self evident lie. jefferson said, we hold these truths as self evident that all men are created equal. but even northern senators said those virginia values were lies. at that point in lincoln's life, he let go of every other political issue he had debated and talked about for the previous 20 years, and for the rest of his life he argued one proposition, if slavery was true, the declaration of independence was a lie. if the declaration of independence was true, slavery was a lie. no equivocations. you had to make a choice. he argued that again and again, to be elected as president, in the emancipation proclamation, in the gettysburg address, where he quoted jefferson and said that four score and seven years ago, the nation was founded upon these shores conceived in

liberty and dedicated to the , the single proposition that all men are created equal. abraham lincoln restored to the central place in american life the notion that we all of us are created equal, and in the short time after his death, congress finally changed the constitution to outlaw slavery and also include the 14th amendment or -- protecting the equality of every person. and so does abraham lincoln belong in virginia? as long as anyone. as long as anyone picks up that mantle that thomas jefferson wrote about in the declaration of independence, and works in the vineyard for equality, we in virginia are glad to claim him as our own. yes abraham lincoln is one of , us. is one of us. [applause] >> during his time in congress, mike pence spoke regularly at the annual march for life rally in washington, d.c., an event

antiabortion activists used to mark the anniversary of the supreme court's roe versus wade decision. here is his speech from the 30th annual march for life rally in january 2003. mr. pence: thank you so much, it is a beautiful day in america to see so many shining faces. i'm congressman mike pence, i'm from indiana, and i'm pro-life. [cheers] mr. pence: i rise as my colleagues have done, as we heard from the president from missouri today to say yes to life. i rise to say it's time for the president of the united states of america to send in the principal pro-life judges and we will move them as americans, onto the court, and end roe v. wade forever.

it is time for us to end partial-birth abortion in this civilized country that it has no place. it is time for all of the reforms, adoption reform, and the president's vision for faith-based initiative. that will speed resources for crisis pregnancy centers and other ministries around america that are there for women with more than a hollow choice, but with real answers meeting their real needs, but i am mostly here today as a father and american to say thank you to you, from my heart. because of all of you and the millions of americans you represent, abortion is in steep decline in america today. [cheers] mr. pence: abortion is less available, less legal, and most importantly, less morally acceptable than any time since 1973. you alone have exposed the empty

promises of the left who offer a choice, but deliver only heartache and disappointment and a national conscience feared by pain. pain.red by the media will depict some of us as strange for standing in the cold. "usa today" said we should get on with it, the extremist speeches that will be heard on the national wall today were a little bit crazy. to be honest with you, i think of the song by billy joel that says, you may be right. i may be crazy. but it just may be a lunatic america is looking for. [cheers] mr. pence: it just may be time, as it's ever been the case, on the steps of the lincoln memorial in 1963, on this very soil in 1776, where every time

throughout american history where we have achieved moral, social change, it has been crazy americans who believe in an -- inalienable rights like the right to life. i am mike pence. i am pro-life. thank you and god bless you. >> you are watching a special program on the lives of mike pence and tim kaine as seen through the c-span video archive. the two vice presidential candidates debate each other tuesday, october 4. our live coverage starts at 7:30 p.m. eastern. up next, congressman mike pence speaking before the christian coalition. this event took place just before the 2004 presidential election and shortly after congressman pence was elected to lead the republican study committee. mr. pence: it is imperative that in scarcely five weeks

for an important moment for our country and sharpen each other for what we face in this election year. as i heard that introduction, i was humbled by it. i was humbled to be elected this week to lead the conservative caucus in the house next year. it reminded me that when people introduce you, they get carried away. i was at a bean dinner in indiana, where i served last month, and the woman introducing me was more generous than you heard today. she went on and on about the work i had done on behalf of the conservative agenda. my status as a regular on crossfire debating james carville. she said there are so few great men in american politics today, i give you congressman mike pence. i got up and spoke and afterwards i asked my wife what she thought of the speech. she said it was fine.

i said, i was thinking about that woman who introduced me and what she said. and my wife said, uh-huh. [laughter] said, if you take yourself totally out of it, great men iny few american politics today. my wife said, i know there is one fewer than you think there is. [laughter] mr. pence: you know where i live. i prefer the introduction that was described to me, a christian, conservative, republican in that order. i appreciate the christian coalition. [applause] mr. pence: it was just a number of months ago that i found

myself on a bus in a sloping valley between two gentle hills, one to the north and one to the south. it was a valley north of jerusalem, and there was a tiny creek that runs through it. our guide, who traveled with myself, my wife, and the jewish federation of greater indianapolis, said we are passing through the valley. i thought hard for a moment about where i had heard that before. he said that brook is where a ruddy faced young man walked millennia ago and picked up some smooth stones. goliath.d a the words that echoed through the history from the young man who would be king are words that i would like to reflect on today. he stood listening to a giant saying that the army of which he

was a part was finished, and he saw there being no reply, he asked the question, is there not a cause? the truth is that that question that echoes through history should echo in our hearts today. the leadership gathered here today never suffers that question. we know the cause, due justice, love kindness, walk humbly with our god, and to support men and women who are prepared to do likewise in the public square. [applause] mr. pence: and the stakes in this election year as senator mcconnell said could not possibly be higher, the contrasts more stark, and i was -- must speak to you about the stakes and the contrasts before i leave and let you hear of from

my betters in a moment. this week, in washington dc, it was my great privilege to welcome a couple from indiana. there are probably more people in this room than live there, but it is a great place, and you are from there. which is really not surprising if you know what a great town it is. the family was at a press conference in washington with their beautiful twin son and daughter, caroline and spencer. apart from being, according to them the most beautiful children earth, they were otherwise unremarkable infants in a room full of infants. theyistinction was that were snowflakes, frozen embryos,

they are of the cash of what we're told by the medical are discardable. in their eyes and stroked their hair. there was nothing discardable about them. [applause] ronald reagan said it best, the only book he ever wrote before leaving office, 1984, when he said and i believe he would speak of the stem cell research today irrespective of what his namesake says, that you cannot diminish the value of any kind of human life without diminishing the value of all human life. that the sanctity of human life

and this debate over stem cell research is fundamentally at the center of this political debate, make no mistake about it. next week on capitol hill i will be privileged to be part of the team that brings to the floor under another bill that i think is at the center of our national life and the very heartbeat of your work in christian coalition, and that is we will bring the marriage protection act to the floor of the house of representatives, and we will pass it in this congress. [applause] mr. pence: and i must tell you that there are those who would trivialize this debate, and to be perfectly candid, i believe that this issue is of such enormous social and cultural consequence that it is

regrettable that it takes place in the midst of a national election year. the men and women history has selected this time, not conservatives, and let me make this point clear, while i may disagree with the lifestyle choices of americans most offended by the federal marriage amendment, and while i may pray for them, people who would know me, know me to be a live and let live person. i try to love my neighbor whether i agree with him or not, but i do know that even though i am from south of highway 40 in indiana, the difference between attacking and defending, and men and women, marriage, and those of us who stand for traditional marriage, are attacking no one. we are defending an institution

upon which the vitality of our families and society depend. [applause] mr. pence: there is a difference between attacking and defending . and marriage matters. i know i am reaching to the choir here, men and women, but i think the basics matter. as were talking to friends, and the millions of people looking in today, marriage matters for four basic reasons. number one, it was not our idea. marriage was ordained by god. and instituted in the law. it is the glue of the american family, and it is the safest harbor to raise children in. marriage matters for these reasons, and we must take the case to the american people over and above politics that we must stand with those who stand with marriage.

period. [applause] mr. pence: and i emphasize one point in particular, and that is what another hoosier said, a man that to this day i have the privilege of calling a friend, vice president dan quayle, who stood for family and stood for marriage -- [applause] mr. pence: as the country song says, he was profamily before profamily was cool, but we all remember the race in 1992 when dan quayle had the audacity to stand in the midst of a national debate and say that two-parent families mattered for children. and i will never forget the headline of "the atlantic" monthly magazine published after

the team lost that simply read, dan quayle was right, and he still is. two-parent traditional marriage is the safest harbor for raising children. he said it in 1992. it has been proven again and again and again by sociologists and secular sources in the intervening dozen years or more. one such example was provided by maggie gallagher and joshua baker in a recent survey produced by the institute for marriage and public policy. listen to this quote from 12 leading family scholars who summarized all the recent research literature on marriage. they concluded, "marriage is more than a private emotional relationship. it is also a social good. not every person can or should marry. not every child raised outside of marriage is damaged as a result, but communities where

good-enough marriages are common have better outcomes to just a -- statistically for children, women, and men then do community suffering from high rates of divorce, unmarried childbearing, and violent marriages." men and women, we stand for marriage, because more than any issue of our time, marriage matters to the vitality of this, the freest, strongest, and most powerful nation on earth. [applause] mr. pence: those are the stakes. now the choice. issue near tothis the heart of the american family could not be clearer in this election. the choice between president george w. bush, who against a withering assault of criticism was willing to step into the roosevelt room and hold his head high and say he would support a constitutional amendment

defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman with -- was an act of moral courage, as compared to the democratic nominee who says he supports marriages, but offers a litany of excuses that makes his position and the position of the democratic party meaningless. there is one candidate in this race that is prepared to lead with moral courage to defend marriage, and that is george w. bush. [applause] mr. pence: and let me say it plainly, there is only one pro-life party in the united states of america, and this pro-life president not only talk ed the talk, but walked the walk when he signed a band of -- ban of partial-birth

abortion, ending a moral nightmare in the united states of america with the support of a republican congress. [applause] mr. pence: partial-birth abortion is over. the choice could not be clearer. so now it is your turn. we get called leaders out here, but as a friend of mine who was involved in the hungarian revolution against the russians in the middle of last century said, "mike, do know what the definition of a leader is? it is just a coward who gets pushed to the front of the parade." [laughter] mr. pence: some of us have been pushed to the front of the parade, but you are the leaders, the people who will go out from today either encouraged or invigorated or not, and i want to challenge you with three thoughts, and i close. first, i challenge you to pray.

i mean, men and women, i am not talking about the way they do in the end zone it in an nfl football game. far be it from me that i should sin against the lord by failing to pray for you. the bible says it is an ambition to be up and say i am a man of prayer. never forget the day that i first saw the president after september 11. i spent that day on the ground in the capital. i saw the president not long thereafter and walked up to him as a brother and christ and took him by the hand and said i want you to know i am praying for you, and he said to me thanks, i am honored. i took his hand a little tighter because i knew he thought i was just saying it and i said, i want you to know i am praying for you, every day, on my knees, by name. he put his hand on my shoulder and looked at me and said, keep it up, mike. it matters.

men and women, don't leave here today without understanding the consecration proceeds conquest, to get on our knees, to pray through the election, to pray through these challenges, god who himself who with no authority would intervene to make clear this good nation, the clear choice we face on the controlling moral issues of our time. >> on april 16, two thousand seven, virginia tech begin the sight of what the washington post called the "deadly shooting in american history." the shooter was a virginia tech student who later took his own life. then governor tim kane and his wife flew back from asia to attend a memorial one day after the shooting. mr. kaine: what an amazing community this is.

mr. president and mrs. bush and to all of those part of this virginia tech community in this room and on this campus and worldwide today, it is a bitter and sad day, and yet my wife and i are privileged to be here with you, and there is nowhere else in the world we would rather be than with you at this moment. as charlie mentioned, we left on sunday morning from richmond to go on a two-week trade mission to asia. one of the events is an event in india to spotlight a wonderful program of virginia tech. we had been in tokyo in the hotel for about five hours when we were awakened by a call at about 1:00 in the morning to report the horrible tragedy on this campus, and we were stunned, and our first thought was we need to get home. what we need to be with his community that we care so much about.

we had the experience of being up in the middle of the night and not being able to get home for about 10 hours, so we did what people all across the world have been doing in the last couple of days. we sat there and our hotel room, then a coffee shop, then an airport waiting lounge with the television on, watching to get news about what was happening on this campus and how the campus was handling it. it was different being away from home, being halfway across the world and seeing what was happening on this campus and what you, you students, where showing to the world, and even in the midst of the darkest day of the history of this campus, what you showed to the world yesterday, you students, was an amazing thing, again, again, outlets, students were called -- and again, in all these various news outlets, students were called for to recall their thoughts and ask what they thought about the campus and how

they were dealing with this tragedy, and the grief was real and very raw, and the questions were deep and troubling, but again and again what the students came back to wearing the virginia tech sweatshirts, the caps, the incredible community spirit and how before it was about who was to blame or what could have been different. it was about how we take care of each other on this wonderful, wonderful community, how proud we were even in the midst of a sad day to see how well you represented yourself in this university to a worldwide community. there are deep emotions that are called forth by a tragedy as significant as this. breathing and sadness desk grieving -- grieving and sadness by the boatload. we have unashamedly shed tears about this, and i know virtually all of you have as well.

that is the thing you should be doing. you should be grieving. there are resources here on this campus to help you as you find need for consolation. that is so important. a second reaction that is a natural reaction is anger, anger at the gunman, anger at the circumstance, what could have been done different. that is natural as well. one of the most powerful stories in the human history of stories is that great story central to judaism, islam, and christianity, the story of job from the old testament, afflicted with all kinds of tragedies in his family and health, and he was angry, he was angry at his circumstances. he was angry at his creator. he argued with god. he did not lose his faith. it is ok to argue. it is ok to be angry. those emotions are natural as well. and finally, the emotions of the

family members most affected, beyond grief, losing a son, losing a daughter, a brother, a sister, losing a close friend. it can go beyond grief to isolation and feeling despair, those haunting words that were uttered on a hill on calvary, my god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me? despair is a natural emotion at a time like this. they are all natural and appropriate, but let me ask one thing of you, this community, as you wrestle with your sadness, as you wrestle with your own feelings of anger and confusion, as you wrestle with the despair, even your family members who have lost people close to you, do not, do not let all of that spirit of community that makes virginia tech such a special place, do not lose hold of that. you need it as a university because you have always had it.

you need to maintain it. we do not need that spirit of community to be a victim of yesterday. no, you need that. you and the community unified together, there is so much you can do for these family members to help them deal with their grief. if you are unified, there is an incalculable amount you can do to help them deal with the loss. we in virginia need that spirit of community that you have here. we are bold enough to call ourselves not a state, but a commonwealth. a state is a dotted line, a political subdivision, but commonwealth has meaning. the meeting is what we have, the god-given resources we have we hold together for a community, and you can be that community and demonstrate the community in a way that will benefit the

entire virginia. and finally, i would say to you from having that vantage point of hearing about this on the other side of the world, it is not just you that needs to maintain the spirit, the worldly -- needs you to because the world was watching you yesterday, and in the darkest moment in the history of this university the world saw you and saw you respond in a way that built community. i was reminded in the airport as we got ready to board to come back that i had seen this story before. i had turned on the television and seen the bad news of a shooting or a weather emergency or a famine. i have seen these stories, and there will be more stories, but there was something yesterday that was different, and it was you, your spirit of optimism, community, and hope, and wanting to be together, and you taught something good yesterday even in the dark days to the people all around the world, and the world

needs that example. and so i pledge to do all i can to be with you in these coming days, to be alongside of you in difficult times as we sort through and try to work with families and friends. you have a remarkable community here. just look around and see the thousands of students next door. this is a remarkable place. do not let hold of that sense of community which is so powerful in this room. >> more now from tim kaine as we look at events from the past featuring the 2016 vice presidential candidates. in early 2007, then governor kaine became one of the first politicians to endorse barack obama for president. here he is introducing the illinois center -- senator just

before the state's primary. mr. obama went on to win the race was 64% of the vote. mr. kaine: this is unbelievable. are you ready to win in two days? [applause] mr. kaine: this story is as inspiring as remember the titans, coach boone. [applause] mr. kaine: i am so glad to be with so many friends. i thank christina for that great enthusiasm, and enthusiasm we all share. we were just in the overflow room and the overflow of the overflow room, we are gathered here because we are part of a national movement to change this country and put in a president that we can be proud of. [applause] mr. kaine: >> yes, we can. >> yes, we can. mr. kaine: yes, we can. >> yes, we can. can."]ng "yes, we

as christina mentioned, i am one of the national cochairs of the campaign. i endorsed senator obama one year ago today. [applause] mr. kaine: i could see a couple of things and him. i could see having got to known him when i campaign for governor an excellent set of character, judgment, and vision, and i think americans will want ask a -- s -- excellence in 2008 after two administrations in a row of mediocrity. [applause] mr. kaine: i could see that the senator was a unifier at a time when we are so defied it, and we need a unified nation, and the senator is a person of strong values and beliefs who is reaching out to bring others to the table and include others, and we need a unifier, and that is who senator obama is and that is what our nation needs. [applause]

mr. kaine: when christina was speaking, i was thinking back. i spent one year 25 years ago in honduras working with missionaries, and we used to have a couple of phrases that come to mind. it is a word if you know spanish, it means ready, but it means more than that. it means a conscience and intellect that is formed and courage that is ready to put you out there doing what you need to do. [applause] mr. kaine: another phrase we used to use, walking with the people. barack obama -- [speaking in spanish] [applause]

mr. kaine: [speaking in spanish] mr. kaine: translation all of that, he is a great guy. he is a great guy. he is a great guy. [applause] mr. kaine: and so i endorse him for those reasons, but i endorse him for one other reason, and that is why i am here. we are not doing this for our

health. we are doing it to win. we want somebody who can win, and barack obama can win. [applause] obama can win.ck we are barely one month into a primary season and barack obama has won states all over this country. [applause] he has won red states and blue states, northern states, southern states, eastern states, western states, midwestern states. [applause] he has won in states that were urban, suburban, rural, that only democrats could participate in, independence good participate in all over , this nation from alabama to alaska and everywhere in between. we have a candidate who can win, who can win. [applause] mr. kaine: and you saw last

night, aren't we in a great mood today after yesterday? [applause] mr. kaine: a blue state, washington, a red state, nebraska, a purple state, louisiana, all overwhelmingly for barack obama. [applause] mr. kaine: and on tuesday, and on tuesday, we can be part of a big momentum story to propel him forward to next week with wisconsin and hawaii, to propel him forward to rhode island, texas, and vermont. if we deliver a big win tuesday, there will be unstoppable momentum to this campaign. will you do it? will you do it? [applause] mr. kaine: all right. [chanting "yes, we can."]

>> c-span's special look back at the vice presidential candidates continues now with mike pence speaking shortly after the 2008 presidential election. in addition to losing the presidency that year, republicans also lost seats in both houses of congress. then congressman pence joined a panel to discuss the future of the republican party and the proper role of the minority in congress. it was hosted by the republican governors association. >> tell us how you see the role of the minority in congress and addressing the new president when he takes office and the bigger majorities in the house and senate. mr. pence: gladly. thank you for this humbling invitation. i looked at the panel and was thinking that it is kind of like

introducing obi-wan kenobi, han solo, luke skywalker, r2-d2 will also be on the panel. [laughter] mr. pence: and bill, i was talking about me. [laughter] [applause] mr. pence: two governors up here other than mitch daniels that i must respect in america and have a chance to address the governors gathered here, including a person who i think was the finest, most dignified, most courageous candidate for president of the united states in my lifetime. [applause] -- wence: i would say have to state the obvious, that governor moved by

perry's comments and governor palin's. there is a difference between the republican party at the state level and the leadership represented around this table than at the federal level. the lessons that were forgotten at the federal level were put into practice in increasing measure in places like mississippi, in places like indiana, in places like texas, and so i take to heart the difference there, so when i speak about where the republican party is, let me speak about where i think the republican party in washington, d.c. is. at the federal level, the republican party is in the wilderness. the author mark halperin wrote , there is a way out of the wilderness. the way out of the wilderness is the truth, recognizing it, stating it, defending it, and living by it. i believe the truth is that at the federal level in 2006 and

2008, we did not lose our governing majority. we lost our way. the american people did not walk away from the contract with america. they decided we did, and somewhere we, in my judgment and my eight years in congress we lost our willingness to fight for those principles of fiscal discipline, limited government, and reform. and to find our way back, we need to recognize that, be open with the american people about it, and be humble about it. i think we need to return our party as governor palin and governor perry and others have said in remarks before, i think we need to return our party to the principles that i believe minted still the majority of the united states of america. on election day, we are told 22% of americans identify themselves as liberals. i did not do great in math in the fourth grade. i don't think that's a majority.

the truth is that the governing majority in america is still centered around people that are looking for leadership that will defend our nation, defend our treasury, and defend our values with everything they have got, and if the republican party at the national level will do what so many governors around the country have done, i believe that we will see not only our political fortunes spring back, but those ideals at the national level. one other point, i call myself a jack kemp republican. i actually kind of dye my hair to look more like jack cap -- kemp. we will celebrate a special moment in january regardless of our politics. we will see the first african-american become the president of the united states

of america, and at a core level, it should be special for republicans. the founder of our party signed the emancipation proclamation. it was teddy roosevelt who endured scorn by inviting and african-american leader to the white house. jack kemp did so much to build the relationship of our party to the minority community. i think we need to take our message of a strong defense of opportunity for all and sanctity of life and marriage to every community in america and not be shy about that. lastly, i had to pull a little winston churchill, i know you approve, ed, winston churchill described the duty before us. he said, "it is the duty of every english man and english party to accept political defeat cordially and to do their best

endeavors to secure the success or neutralize the evil of the principles to which they have been forced to succumb." [laughter] he had it in his own words that it is good that we do not need to be so faithful to so wholesome decision. republicans need to turn to what states never forgot, return to the principles, strong defense, limited government, sanctity of life, sanctity of marriage, and then we need to be willing after an appropriate time of recognizing a transition in history, we need to be willing to fight at every level for what we believe in. thank you. [applause] >> just two years after the 2008 presidential election, republicans won back the majority in the house of representatives. mike pence spoke shortly after the 2010 midterms at an event hosted by the federal society in washington. he focused on the role of the president. a reminder that c-span will have

live coverage of the vice presidential candidates debate on tuesday, october 4, starting at 7:30 p.m. eastern. mr. pence: the presidency is the most visible thread that runs to the tapestry of the american government. more often than not, for good or ill, it says the tone for the other branches and spurs the expectations of the people. its powers are vast and consequential. its requirements from the outset and by definition impossible for mortals to fulfill without humility and attention to its purposes as set forth in the constitution of the united states. isn't it amazing, given the great and momentous nature of the office that those who seek it seldom pause to consider what they are seeking? rather, unconstrained by reflection or principal there is a mad rush to something that once its powers are seized the

, new president can will do it as it instrument to transform the nation according to his highest aspirations. other than in the crisis of a house divided, the presidency is neither fit nor intended to be such an instrument. it is made that, the country sustains a wound. it cries out justly and indignantly. what the country says, the theme of this address, what it says by its long history, what it says quite naturally and rightly, what it may well have said on november 2, is that we as a people are not to be ruled and not to be commanded. [applause] mr. pence: it says that the president should never forget this, that he has not risen above us, but is merely one of us. chosen by ballot, dismissed

after his term, tasked to bear the weight of decision, to carry out faithfully the design laid down in the constitution and impassioned by the declaration of independence. the presidency must adhere to its definition in the constitution. while the powers of the office have enlarged along with those of the legislature and judiciary, the framework was intended to restrict abuses, to the classical empires and the regal states of the 18th century. without proper adherence to the role contemplated in the constitution for the presidency, checks and balances in the constitutional plan become weakened. this has been most of use in recent years. under either party it seems, presidents have often forgotten that they are intended to

restrain the congress at times, and that the congress is independent of their desires, and thus fused in some kind of unholy unity, the political class has raged forward in an expansion of powers and prerogatives, mistakenly assuming that to exercise power is by default to do good. even the simplest among us know that this is not so. power is an instrument of fatal consequence. it is confined no more readily than quicksilver and escapes good intentions as easily as air flows through mash. therefore those who are trusted with it must educate themselves in self-restraint. a republic, if you can keep it, is about limitation, and for good reason. because we are mortal, and our actions are imperfect. the tragedy of presidential decision is that with even the best of choice, some, perhaps

many, will be left behind, and some, perhaps many, may die. because of this, a true statesman lives in what churchill called a continuous stress of soul. he may give to paul, but only because he robs peter, and that is why you must always be wary of a president who seems to float upon his own greatness. for all greatness is tempered by mortality, and every soul is evil. it is a tragedy indeed that the new generation is seeking more power. in the judiciary, this has been seldom better expressed than by judge thurgood marshall, do what you think is right and let the law catch up. in the congress, it presents itself in massive legislation,

acts and codes thousands of pages long and so complicated that no human being could read through them in a lifetime, much less understand them, much less apply them justly to a people that increasingly feel like they are no longer being asked, but feel like they are being told. our nation finds itself too often of late in the position of a dog whose duty it is not to ask why because the why is too elevated for his nature, just simply obey. but america is not a dog and does not require a, because i said so jurisprudence, to which it is then commanded to catch up, or legislators who need laws of such complexity that they are heavier than chains, or a president who acts like, speaks like, and is received as a king. [applause]

mr. pence: the presidency has run off the rails. it begs a new clarity, a new discipline, a new president. [applause] mr. pence: the president is not our teacher, our tutor, our guide, or our ruler. he does not command us, we command him. we serve neither him nor his vision. it is not his job or his prerogative to redefine custom, law, and beliefs to appropriate industries, to seize the country as it were by the shoulders or by the throat as if to impose by the force of theatrical charisma his justice on 300 million people. it is neither his job nor his prerogative to shift of the power of decision away from the people to him and the acolytes of his choosing. is my characterization of

unprecedented presumption incorrect? i defer to the judgment of the people, which they will make with their own eyes and ears. listen to the exact words of president obama's transition team who said at the point of his election, "it is important that president-elect obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one." or more recently, "president obama understands the importance of leveling the playing field." take power, rule, leveling. though it is now, it should never again be the model of the presidency or the character of

the american president. [applause] no one can say this too strongly, no one can say it enough until it is remedied, we are not subjects, we are citizens. [applause] mr. pence: we fought a war so that we don't have to treat kings like kings, and if i may remind you, we won that one. [laughter] [applause] mr. pence: the powers of the presidency are extraordinary, and great presidents treat them sparingly. no finer more moving or profound understanding of the nature of the presidency than the command of humility placed on it has ever been expressed in my judgment than by president coolidge. he like lincoln lost a child

while he was president, a son of 16. the day i became president, coolidge wrote, he had just started to work in a tobacco field when one of his fellow laborers said to him, you know, if my father was president, i would not be working in a tobacco field. to which young calvin apparently replied, if my father were your father, you would. [laughter] mr. pence: his affection for the boy was obvious, and his admiration. while in the white house, president coolidge's son contracted blood poisoning. coolidge wrote words that contracted blood poisoning. resonate with any parent in the room. he wrote, "what might have happened to him other other circumstances, we don't know, if i had not been president.

then he continued. in his suffering, he asked me to make him well. i could not. when he went, the power and the glory of the presidency went with him." a sensibility like this and not power is the source of presidential dignity, and it must be restored. it depends entirely upon character, self-discipline, and an understanding of the fundamental principles that underlie not only the republic, but life itself. it communicates the president feels the gravity of his office and is willing to sacrifice himself. that his eye is on the storm of history through which it is his responsibility to navigate with the specific powers accorded to

him and the limitations placed upon them, not merely by man, but by god. in the capitol rotunda, there are heroic paintings, the signing of the declaration, the victory at saratoga, the victory at yorktown, and something seldom seen in history, a painting that depicts a general, the leader of an armed rebellion, resigning his commission and surrendering his army to a new democracy. upon hearing that george washington won the war, he would return to his farm, george iii said if he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world. he did and he was.

[applause] to aspire to such virtue in self-restraint would be difficult but in another sense, it should be easy. difficult because it would be demanding and ideal. and easy because just the right thing to do. the rewards are immediate. and self-evident. slights thewho constitution is like a rider who hates his horse -- he will be thrown. [laughter] [applause] and the nation along with him. swears toent solemnly preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. he does not solemnly swear to overlook, supplement or reinterpret it. [laughter] a crisis ofn

morality, decency and existence like the civil war, if he should want to hurry along the constitution to fit his own notions or designs, he should do so by amendment rather than adjustment. if he joins the powers of his office to his own willful interpretation, we step away from a government of laws toward a government of men. the president should regard the constitution and the declaration like an obsessed lover -- they should be on his mind all the through whichm all lights of government pass. though we have sometimes gradually or radically moved away from this, we can move that to it -- back to it. who better than the president to restore this wholesome devotion? at home, the president must be cautious, dutiful, and deferential, abroad, his character must change. where he would ask for a primer on how to ask in relation to

other states which no holder of the office has needed up to this primer to were that be written by the american people in 1776 or in 2010, you can be confident it would contain at least the following instruction -- kings you do not doubt to -- you do not bow to kings [applause] outside our borders, the president of the united states bows to no man. when in foreign lands, you do not criticize your in country [applause] you do not argue the case against the united states but rather the case for it. [applause] not apologize to the

enemies of the united states of america. [applause] should you be confused, let me help. a country, people, or region that harbors, shelters, supports or encourages or cheers attacks upon our country are enemies of the united states of america and you do not apologize for that. [applause] closely related to this and perhaps the least ambiguous of the president's complex responsibilities is his duty as commander-in-chief. in this regard, there is a somee rule -- unknown to residents regardless of party -- biggest if anye president can face, for it will

follow not just him but hundreds of thousands or millions of others not just for the rest of their lives but in cost of blood and souls beyond life itself. and it's and if that requires long and deep thought, tremendously hard labor at determining the truth of things, a lifetime of education, the knowledge of a general, the wisdom of a statesmen, and the heart of an infantry man. deliberation,ul intense stress of soul, and the deepest prayer, if then you go ,o war than having gone to war by god, you go to war to win. [applause]

you do not cast away american lives for those of the innocent a theory andupon if the politics of your own election or your own party intrude upon your decision or even an instant, there are no words for this. more commonplace but hardly less important are other expectations of the president in this regard. he must not stand in the provisioning of our armed forces and if the errs in must air on the side of surplus. he must be the guardian of his troops taking every step to avoid any american life. is precious soldier , because he is your can. the president must say to the congress and the people, i am the commander-in-chief, it is my sacred duty to defend the united states of america and to give

our soldiers what they need to complete their mission and come home safe. [applause] in fulfilling this duty if the president waivers, he will have betrayed his office for this is not policy, it is probity. an expedient artifact of imagination, it is written on the bloodsoaked ground of saratoga, yorktown, antietam, cold harbor, qualcomm out -- what'll canal and -- guadalca nal and in thousands of other places in our history repeated over again. you're watching a special program on the careers of the vice presidential candidates as seen through the c-span video archives. tim kaine service chairman of the democratic national

committee from 2009-2011. our next segment shows chairman came reflecting on the 2010 midterm elections in which democrats lost their majority in the house. this is the first meeting we have had since the midterms as an entire dnc and i want to start there because i think we have to ignore knowledge it was a tough night. it did not go the way we wanted. wave elections usually push houses the other way. late rakingclose, statewide races that came our way but we lost seats. it was more than seats. what congressman cleaver said the other day in the executive committee if you were there. we are not about numbers, we are about people so you can talk about numbers but when i think about the midterms come i think about people and good public servants that i know and i imagine you think about an awful lot who have not returned to

state legislative bodies or to the senate or house. them did not return not because they weren't doing the right thing, they did the right thing. when people do the right thing in a political climate where it's tough, make tough decisions to move the nation forward, we want to see those people rewarded. we see this in politics and elsewhere that sometimes if you do the right thing, there can be a backlash and the empire strikes back as they say and we lost a number of good people who did the right thing. but ire either not that think of the people who are back like the speaker who did a magnificent job in two years, speaker nancy pelosi.

she was still there and still fighting for us as the democratic leader but not in the same position. there were some challenges in the midterms, and also some bright spots. the challenges were independent voters who supported the president in 2008, did not support democratic candidates nationally. there were changes, but independent voters moved pretty significantly and two years. -- in two years. that is something we have to work on. our young voters who don't have a great history of midterm turnout, but who had an amazing surge in 2008. we saw young voters do better in 2010, but we hoped it would be better still, and we did not get to where we wanted to with young voters.

>> um, who was still there, still fighting for us as our democratic leader in the house, but not in the same position, so there are lessons learned. there were some challenges in the midterms, and also some bright spots. the challenges were independent voters who supported the president in 2008, did not support democratic candidates nationally. there were changes, but independent voters moved pretty significantly and two years. that is something we have to work on. our young voters who don't have a great history of midterm turnout, but who had an amazing surge in 2008. we saw young voters do better in 2010, but we hoped it would be better still, and we did not get to where we wanted to with young voters. and with women voters, the democratic party has had a pretty spectacular tradition. we are having discussions at the dnc with the president and our congressional leadership for the next two years. there were a couple of bright spots, and you have to mention them because there are some thanks involved. turnout of some of the democratic core constituencies was really good. there were a couple of bright

spots. and i think you've got to mention them because i think there are some things involved. turnout of some of the democratic core constituencies was actually really, really good. african-american voters nationally turned out very well because they understood what was at stake in terms of partners who would work with or partners who would fight the president. just a piece of data i found kind of remarkable -- and i'm just going to use this as an example, but there are others -- wisconsin voting. we had a horrible election night in wisconsin. we lost to the governor's race, we lost to the spectacular senator, senator feingold, members of congress. in 2010, it was a tough, tough night. 2000 -- 2006 was a great night. the most democratic jurisdiction of wisconsin, the city of milwaukee, the turnout in the city of milwaukee was 15% higher than it was in 2006. democrats voted very well in that city and cities all across the country. we have to acknowledge that. the latino vote was strong and was a critical margin in key races in nevada and colorado and california and api voting in washington, oregon very strong. every latebreaking race, any race that was not decided election night -- i know you've followed this. i sure did. i was looking for a for the wounds on election night areas the washington governor's race, the oregon governor's race, the minnesota governor's race -- all the washington senate race and the connecticut governor's race, all of the late breaker switched our way, which told me in the close races, it is the politics that matter and the risk good field activity because of state parties, organizing for america

volunteers, and a strong upturn. [applause] but you can't sugarcoat it. there were bright spots. it was a tough night. after that night, i remembered a wonderful line will always remember after anything tough because it tells you, ok, it's tough. progress is not a complete straight line. it's two steps forward and one step back. william faulkner. "they may have killed us, but they ain't whooped us." [laughter] if you ever needed proof, bill daley told us, all of the pendants -- nothing was going to get done, the democrats back on their heels. and we end up with a president and a congress at the end of the lame-duck session that got more good work done -- the 9/11 responders bill -- what a spectacular, spectacular thing the other guys tried to block, but we made it happen.

[applause] the start treaty, the compromise that would extend unemployment benefits and adjust payroll taxes for folks. there was a pill in there that a lot of folks did not want to swallow with response to the tax cuts on the wealthiest. but we were going to talk about that in the heart of a presidential election when everyone is paying attention and we have an opportunity to have it affect the relationship one way or another. and you played a big role. at and one i did not mention, the repeal of don't ask don't tell. that 1 -- that when -- [applause] went through so may twist and turns. i know folks were frustrated. it was up, it was down. it was part of the defense authorization. the republicans locked it. even in the middle of december it looked tough. but you all weighed in in

wonderful ways. we put out the talk and you helped us with petitions. basically within 72 hours. we wanted to get key senators on board. of ad nearly three quarter million petitions we could deliver to members of congress and we have to say great activism by so many wonderful activist and the american public saying we want you to do this. and the american military saying we want you to do this. you weighed in in ways that made don't ask don't tell happen. we have seen the president continues cents. a presentation to the grieving nation after the horrific shooting in tucson. things can look dark one day and how quickly they can turn. we are going to go through a lot of cycles and a lot of ups and downs. the challenges of november have not defeated us. we are battling with a great

president to do good work. i will tell you. if there is one thing the election has done, it has enabled us to paint in pretty stark contrast to the choice between the country. -- that is before the country. it heard secretary soli's do better than anybody but the president said, we are going to win. we are optimists. the other guys will be the gym and glamorous. butill be doom and gloomers we are going to win. -- the other guys will be the doom and gloomers. as the president said, we are going to focus on the economy. we are going to make it stronger by building, buy out innovating, by out educating the rest of the world. on the economy, on the economy -- i get into these discussions in richmond, where i live. i'm sure you do, too well.

you talk to people about the economy. i don't just talk to democrats. i have a lot of friends that are democrats and republicans and independents. they will say, what has the president done for the economy? three things. at the end of the bush administration, gdp was shrinking by 6% in year. -- per year. that is what this president inherited. that is unparalleled since the great depression in american history that we would shrink by that degree. now the gross domestic product is growing again. it has for the last year. economists are revising upward. we have gone from a shrinking economy. to a growing economy. under democratic leadership. [applause] in jobs. in jobs -- and we are not where we want to be yet -- in any area -- we are not where we want to be yet. but the president came in at a time when jobs had fallen off a cliff. we lost 750,000 jobs, more than that in january 2009 when he was inaugurated.

the worst monthly statistic we saw in this nation for decades and we have grown the private sector of the economy. we were losing jobs under the other guys. under democratic leadership we , are gaining jobs. [applause] and data for your argument with .3 anybody around the kitchen table or in the family he want to know what democrats have done for the economy -- if you put a dollar in the stock market the day that george bush was inaugurated in what was it worth 2001, when he left office? $.78. eight years, declined by 22%. if you put a dollar in the stock market and the dow jones the year that president obama was inaugurated, it is up. it is worth $1.50. that's what the democrats do, we grow the economy and protect

jobs. on the other side, what we have -- we are climbing out of the ditch they made. we are battling for green energy and inclusion. the other side is the party of the past. they said if they got power, they would focus on jobs. that is what they said they would focus on. let me tell you what they have than focusing on. if you look at republican governors all over this country, what you see is massive education cuts. i am traveling. i was in texas, illinois the week before. i go to all of these democratic, republican states. states where republicans were at the helm, massive cuts to education. how are we going to out innovate and continue to grow if we are cutting the talent expansion that is public education? [applause] you can't do it. that is certainly not a pro-jobs strategy. yet that is one that they are pursuing. other strategies they are pursuing in the house, basically

and effort to take away the rights of women. you saw last week, the house voted to completely defund planned parenthood. cervical cancer screenings. education, health care, protecting women's choices, contraception. what does that have to do with jobs? going after women, what does it have to do with jobs? you are seeing secretary's solis redefining what forcible rape means, another bill republicans pushed before they realized, hey, this is stupid. but they all have their names on the bill and we will not let any of those sponsors forget what they were trying to do to american women. right? [applause]

you heard the secretary talk about wisconsin and the other states. i was in madison a couple weeks back. let me put it first in if it were a company. if it was a company what ceo do we admire who comes into a company and as the ceo wages a public war on their own workforce right out of the gate? there are ceo's that do that, but there are no ceo's we admire that do that because ceo's we admire no, as the secretary said, is about partnership. you work together to find progress. you do not wage war on your own employees. trying to make public employees the bogeyman and go after them -- these are the people who teach our kids. these are the people who care for a parents and grandparents. and the notion we are going to go after them and make them evil and make them the bogeyman even

when they are willing to engage in the shared sacrifice that public employees engage in a most every day shows what that site is about and think that contrast. i will say one final thing on the contrast -- the first thing the republicans did when they came -- it was not about jobs. they wanted to repeal health care. they wanted to take away from 7 million small businesses the tax credit small businesses are getting to help them afford health care. they were going to make it more expensive to be a small business. that was against jobs but they wanted to do it and i cannot resist because i heard somebody say this. does anybody else find it on -- find it odd that the way they really go after this, they call it obamacare? obamacare? care is a bad word? care is a negative? it is wrong to care? we are against care. we are going to fight against

care. i'm glad obamacare is. i'm glad obamacare's. [applause] i'm glad democrats care. i'm glad democrats care. i'm glad democrats care. because look -- look. if -- if it's not democrats caring about somebody getting kicked around because they have a pre-existing illness, who is going to care? if it's not democrats, who is going to care? if it's not democrats caring about the cost of college, who and trying to expand held grants who is going to care? , we do care. that's one of the great things about being a democrat. we should be proud of that proud of our president. >> in march of 2011, tea party activists rallied in washington, demanding a government shutdown. then congressman mike pence

spoke at that rally, voicing support for a the activists. this is part of a special presentation on the careers of the vice presidential candidates. you can watch the entire event on www.c-span.org. >> i'm mike pence. i am from indiana. welcome back to your nations. party and -- to tea patriots and americans, welcome back to your nations. [applause] with a debt this year of $1.56 -- with a deficit this year of $1.56 trillion and the national debt of $14 trillion and a defiant liberal majority in the senate, it's time to figure -- it's time to pick a fight. >> we have got your back, mike! representative pence: the in the american people sent a 2010, deafening message.

they said it's time to and the borrowing in the bailouts and time to and the congress of nancy pelosi once and for all and you did it. and you did it. [applause] and house republicans of god's work being awarded the majority -- have gone to work since being awarded the majority again. we have cut our budgets. we had repealed obamacare. lock, stock, and barrel on the house of the floor of representatives and we voted to cut spending. we defunded obamacare and we ended public funding for planned parenthood. that is what we did. [applause] house republicans have run headlong into harry reid. harry reid took to the floor of the senate and set a modest down

payment on fiscal discipline was reckless, irresponsible, mean-spirited. he even defended federal funding for the cowboy poetry institute in nevada. the truth is, they just don't get it. they don't get the party is over for liberals in washington, d c -- washington, d.c. the american people are demanding we change the direction of our government. but i learned that things do not change here unless they have to. we have to say to harry reid and liberals in the senate, this far and no farther. we have to borrow a line from another hairy and this -- from another harry and say the debt stops here. [applause] and if liberals and the senate would rather play political

games and shut down the government, i say shut it down. -- instead of making a small down payment on fiscal discipline and reform i say shut , it down. [cheers and applause] representative pence: nobody wants the government shutdown, but if we do not change it, we will run the future for our children and grandchildren. not that these cuts are anything to write about. this is a defining moment for the new majority in congress. not that $61 billion in cuts are anything to write home about. it's just an down payment, earnest money on restoring maybe earnest money on restoring fiscal discipline, but it's a start and it is a first step and it will be a win for taxpayers that could set the stage for larger increases, battling for a

-- for larger victories, rattling against the debt ceiling without reform, battling for a budget and a long-term budget for fiscal discipline and setting our nation back on the pathway to constitutional limited government sometimes even -- amid government. sometimes even small steps bullied taken can change -- bold steps taken can change history. just like it did on christmas night 1776. a harsh winter storm have settled in the delaware river valley. public support for the war was waning and the troops were weary and demoralized and a general conceived of a bold and daring plan. he would pick a fight in the dead of night. take it directly to the enemy. so they boarded the boat's and crossed the great river and they won the day.

by historical standards, washington's crossing was a small event. on the night, 2400 americans thought dean hessians. -- 1500 hessians and the battle only lasted a couple of hours. by contrast, antietam, a battle 115,000 men fought a terrible battle more than a day, the battle of the bulge, a million men, more than a month. while the victory into and was -- in trenton was not a great battle, it was a battle of great consequence. history records it was a defining moment in our still young nation. it showed that victory was in our reach and americans were still ready to fight. it set the stage for larger victories to come. it rekindled the spirit of independence. we will not compare military contests with political delay -- debates, but the principle is the same.

picking a fight and winning this small step for fiscal discipline in washington, the american people will see the victory over deficits and debt is within our reach, that we can fight and win and restore limited government at the national government. and so, we must fight. republicans must show we are worthy of this moment. equal to the crisis. and squarely defended those in the status quo. if harry reid wants to fight let's give it to them. ,-- to him. [applause]

democrats in the senate may feel that they have the advantage, but let me assure you. it only seems that way. minority in the senate plus the a minority american people equals a majority. [applause] and -- know this. know this, men and women. whenever you take a stand for freedom, for future generations, for traditional values, you do not fight alone. he have steered the waters, he who cleared the ice flows will make the way for america because he is not done with america yet. let's go pick a fight. [applause] >> tim kaine won his race for u.s. senate in 2012, defeating former virginia senator and governor george allen. from the c-span archive, a

portion of that debate. featuring david gregory as the moderator. it's great >> be back with the fairfax chamber of commerce. it reminds me of a similar event seven years ago. at that event we talked about , transportation and right outside this building, there was not hot lanes being built on the beltway. we talked about education. during my time as governor we , put in place our largest bond package in the history of the commonwealth. and we expanded prekindergarten. and we talked mostly in the chamber about economic development. we landed marquis we won companies helton, volkswagen of north america, saic and northrup, and in northrop

grumman. we won accolades in my first day as governor. i am proud of those achievements. i am proud we do them together. i am especially proud that we did them in the midst of the worst recession since the 1930's. and in the midst of a global fiscal collapse. we are here today because we have a senate issue. we have to fix congress to end gridlock, gridlock that is blocking progress to important goals. we need to fix the economy. we have to grow an economy. to do it, we level the playing field for small business, we invest in infrastructure and we wind the talent race that will allow us to out educate and out innovate and come up with the industry's of tomorrow. we've got to fix the budget. to do so we need a balanced approach in the short and long-term and i hope we will talk about that short-term sequester challenge. the most important thing we have to do is "results over

rhetoric." put partisanship over -- partnership over partisanship and substance over soundbites. if i have the honor to serve as senator, i will govern as i did in the past. thank you. >> thank you, governor. governor alan. governor allen: it is good to be with some many neighbors and friends in the fairfax chamber. i remember all of the accomplishments we had, whether it was locating jobs in fairfax or reforming and investing in our schools and colleges and working with leaders in both parties to secure funding for key projects. i also want to thank my friend tim kaine. we both love virginia and worked really hard to make it better and at a time when so many people in our country feel our country is on the wrong track and politics are so petty, i hope we can have a positive

conversation that will inspire all to the ideals that will build a better future. we have talked to thousands of virginians. they want to restore the promise of the american dream. they want to make sure that their children have access to the american dream. , to quality and affordable education so young people can pursue their dreams. they want to unleash the enormous economic potential of our plentiful american energy resources. they want to reinvigorate the entrepreneurial spirit of our country so job creators have the confidence and the certainty -- to hire again. they want as to work together for real solutions. they do not want to use people -- they don't want politicians and danger hundreds of thousands ,f jobs in northern virginia virginia technology and defense jobs, and using them as pawns to demand higher taxes for a budget

deal. these are tough times, but out of this adversity, we can create a more confident, caring, and prosperous america. that is the agenda i look forward to today. and the test is which approach is best for job creating virginia businesses? >> governors, thank you to both of you. i want to begin by talking about the role of government in virginia and the country. this is a high growth -- high profile race for virginia and the country. it's also occurring in the shadow of the presidential debate. i want to ask you about the 47% we heard about this week. governor romney, some remarks that were taped earlier this year, talked about how there is 47% of the country that does not pay federal income tax. he says that they believe they are victims, who believe they are entitled to health care free. they believe the government has

a responsibility to care for them and are entitled to health care and housing, you name it. governor kane there are over a , million virginians to fall into the category of not paying federal income tax. what would you do about that? should that change? and what you think more generally about whether too many virginians, too many americans by extension, are too dependent on government for basic needs in their life. >> i heard the statements. you can say something of the cup -- off-the-cuff that you regret but a deeply disagree with the sentiments expressed by governor romney. i do not believe virginians are victims. it is condescending and divisive. the last thing we need to do at this moment is to divide people. we ought to be pulling people together. this nation is divided enough. i think as we talk about these long-term issues, we have to

have shared sacrifice. everybody has to be in the game if we are going to fix our issues. we haven't excellent opportunity to start now. we have an issue on the table -- it's immediate. it will call upon congress and the president and that is -- how do we deal with these year-end budget cuts? rather than divide virginians and americans, let's come together. i have a symbol idea of we can -- i have a simple idea of we can come together. we let the bush tax cuts expire as planned for people making boards than $500,000. -- more than $500,000. we will negotiate medicare to get better prices on the script and drugs. we will let subsidies to the big five will companies expire. if we do that, we will have $235 billion in savings over 10 years. we can do that -- in the short term. david: do you believe everyone in virginia should pay something in federal income tax? governor kane: everyone pays taxes -- david: income taxes?

governor kaine: many of the 47% pay a higher percentage of income tax than he does. david: governor allen, this is the standardbearer of the republican party. the leader of the republican party. as the nominee of your party for the presidency he believes that , 47% believes they are victims. do you share that vision for america? what would you do about the 47%? as senator? governor allen: the best indicator of what people will do the future is what they did in the past. i believe the best social program is a job. if somebody has a job, they are taking care themselves and providing for their families. as governor i worked with the , democratic majority in the legislature. we made virginia more business friendly and over 300,000 net new jobs were created in the

private sector. one of the other great successes we had was welfare reform. we wanted to lift people out of poverty towards independence and a job. i remember when in no vote was hiring folks. -- i remember having a press waserence where inova hiring folks and we had a competition between domino's pizza and pizza hut, who could hire the most folks. a woman said something to the effect of -- what kind of job is this? making pizzas? the owner of the franchise said, how do you think i started? i started delivering pizza. now i have several franchises. then the mother stood up and said, i think is good for my daughter to see her mother working. that is the dignity of work. it's a wonderful moment. that is what we should be aspiring to. make sure everybody does have that ability to compete and

succeed. i want to see people keep more of what they earn. we need policies that do not increase taxes, but decreased them. tim has a different point of view. and that is one where he was trying to raise taxes on people look earning as little as -- david: right, we are going to get to that in moment. i want to get back, respectfully, to my question. it was very specific. the standardbearer of the public the party said 47% of americans see themselves as victims. he's as they are too dependent on government and see themselves as victims. i asked you pointedly, do you share that vision of america and what would you do to deal with that 47%? governor allen: as i stated in the beginning to, the best social program is a job. how do you provide more job opportunities for people? david: do you think half the country sees themselves as victims -- governor allen: no -- i look positively at the people in america. david: do you disagree with governor romney on this point? governor allen: i've a different point of view.

people still believe in the american dream. our job is to make sure everyone has the opportunity to pursue their dreams. the way i look at it is and i will expand on it later, the point is i think if you look at the records -- who has created more opportunities? those folks were down and out. i mentioned welfare reforms. we want to help folks who are able minded, able-bodied. even folks disabled want to work. i think that is one of the great attributes for all americans. they want a government that reflects their values, that gives them an opportunity to be that role model -- and reach their aspirations. david: we will take a moment for rebuttal. governor kaine: i don't think the question of whether you agree with governor romney's statements is hard. they were very divisive.

it's very straightforward. we are a state that has seen too much divisive politics. one of the things i am proud about about this commonwealth is i see a tremendous effort to turn our back on the divisive politics of the past. my wife is with me and her dad as governor integrated public schools -- my wife, her dad as a republican governor integrated public schools because he said it was right to have an aristocracy of merit. that was his inauguration speech. it may have been off the cuff or this generation of virginians have rejected that speech. it may have been off the cuff or a gaffe, but the sentiment is one that virginians do not agree with. i am thankful they don't. we can come together. let's prove that we cannot be divisive. let's come together on the most important issue of the day.

let's resolve the fiscal challenges. that creates problem for the economy and offense and virginia jobs. >> tonight, we are looking at key moments in the careers of the vice presidential candidates. mike pence and tim kaine debate each other october 4. our live coverage starts at 7:30 p.m. eastern this next segment features a portion of senator tim kaine's first floor speech. it focuses on the economic impact of across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester, enacted as part of a 2011 budget deal. senator kaine: thank you, madam president. it is an honor to speak here as part of my first speech on the senate floor. i am honored to be a part of this body. and to speak where hundreds have spoken before and thousands will speak after me. a normal first speech for a senator is usually a proactive, forward-looking speech. we're not in normal times.

a normal first speech usually happens much later after the senator has been around for a number of months. we are not in normal times. a normal first speech for a senator is often in connection with the introduction of a piece of legislation. we are not in normal times. and so, i'm speaking earlier than i would have thought likely when i took the oath of office on january, but we are not in normal times. the abnormality of times has a huge effect on the commonwealth i am proud to represent. in summer 2011, congress passed a bill we are now talking about, a bill dealing with the sequestration cuts of the federal government. there is no precedent that i'm aware of and good rational history for what is about to -- in congressional history for

what is about to happen in 48 hours. congress designed a set of punishing, nonstrategic, ugly cuts designed to hurt the economy and individuals, and all -- however they voted on that bill, did not want those cuts to come into place. for those who voted on the package, they did not want the sequester cuts to occur and believed we would find through compromise and alternative and those who voted against the package largely voted against it because they did not want these cuts to occur. so the abnormality of the times is this. never in my knowledge in the history of this body has congress designed a punishment that would hurt the lives of regular individuals that would hurt the economy it was -- designed with that knowledge fully and all hoped it would not

happen and yet we are within 48 hours of allowing that to happen. the effect that this sequester will have on the country and that it will have on the country and the effect it will have on my commonwealth are so significant and severe that i do feel compelled to speak earlier than i might otherwise have. and i feel the effects of the cuts on this institution and the credibility of the institution are equally severe. what i want to do is basically two things. i want to talk about the effect on regular people. i'm good you share some stories. i just returned from a tour around might state and i will share some stories. i want to talk about short-term impact on these cuts on the broader economy. i want to talk about long-term third, impacts, impacts we are not necessarily thinking about now, but should cause significant concern. there is a way to avoid this and fourth, i want to talk about how we can avoid allowing the self-inflicted wound to occur,

and finally, i want to talk about the fact there is an upside in this moment. this is not just about avoiding negatives, avoiding harming people, hurting the economy. it's not just about avoiding negatives. i think there is enough upside for this institution and this nation if we do it right. begin with my tour around virginia. i'm a brand-new member of the armed services committee. i sit in a wonderful seat following jim warner and jim -- john warner and jim webb who was there before me and i'm no replacement for either of those individuals, but i've got eight shoes to fill. -- take shoes to fill so i decided to take a tour around my state last week and visit such points in the commonwealth where we interact with our national security. the map of virginia is a map of our national security.

yorktown where the revolutionary war ended. appomattox where the civil war ended. the pentagon. where we were attacked on 9/11. we are the most connected state in the military. one in eight virginians is a veteran. over 100,000 active duty, dod contractors. by the time you add those up, we're probably talking about one in three virginians. so i went to the place where virginians work every day. as ship repairers in shipyards, active duty unable bases, as civilians working as nurses and army hospitals as young officer , candidates training in rotc programs. at v.a. hospitals i went around , the state. let me tell you what i heard. a few miles from here. fort wellbore community hospital, one of the preeminent institution that treats wounded warriors -- a wounded warrior,

still in active service, being treated there. wife sitting right next to them. we talked. and she ventured, let's talk about the furloughs of these dod civilian employees. my husband's nurses are all dod civilians. while sequester protects active duty, it does not help civilians. what will it mean to my husband's medical treatment as he comes back from being wounded when the nurses and health are festivals at this hospital are furloughed one day per week. in the same round table, another wounded warrior said to me, boy, the economy is really going to suffer if we have the sequester. we will lose jobs. and the economy could shrink. he was a wounded warrior as a reservist, waiting to go back into the civilian workforce. into a job with a federal agency that does national security. what is that going to mean to me? is there a hiring freeze, a furlough?

this wounded warrior worrying about his economic future. we americans, we virginians, we manufacture the largest items on the planet earth. nuclear aircraft carriers in that shipyard and what a wonderful example of american ingenuity. and yet, the workers of that shipyard are asking about the stability of their work and and whether the ships will truly be ready to do the work they need to do. at other private shipyards, the owner said, i have 450 employees. in hampton roads. the way the navy plans to deal with sequestration is dramatically reduce maintenance. i am going to issue one notice to tell through to 50 employees

-- 300 of my 400 employees that they will not have a job. i don't have the business to keep them if the sequestration cuts go through. at a va hospital in richmond, the v.a. core services are protected under the sequester. but they compete with the private sector and they say that this is getting tougher and tougher to do and they do research about dramatic brain injury and that is not protected from sequester -- traumatic brain injury and that is not protected by sequester. that is in jeopardy if the sequester comes to. it's not just military. cuts in head start. i talked to teachers facing significant cuts in programs for at risk children is growing and growing and the number of children total in their classrooms is growing and growing.

and then on monday, a number of us were at dulles airport to talk about the sequester on the experience for americans who travel every day with longer lines and higher prices. this is what virginians were telling me as i went to talk to them, the likely consequences they were going to see in their lives. and again and again, what they said to me was go find a solution. i went to a bluegrass concert on saturday afternoon. i was wearing blue jeans and a corduroy jacket. i was taken an hour off to listen to a set of music. i said next to a guy who appeared to be about 80 years old who was ramrod straight and was a veteran. he was a veteran wearing a cap from his navy service and halfway through the set he leaned over to me and he said, i know you are here for music. he said, all i'm going to say is this -- there is nothing you are

going to do or not do that will affect my quality of life. i'm fine. but you've got to find a way to get people to work together and find some deal. so, that is what my citizens were saying on my trip. on every stop, sign a deal. work together, and not a single person said protect my job, protect my program, protect my priority by making the cuts in other areas worse. not one person said that. they were asking for a balanced approach where there would be a balance of cuts, but also revenues and we would try to tackle this in a targeted way. >> our special look back at the vice presidential candidates continues with mike pence delivering the indiana state of the state address.

in he became indiana governor in 2014. 2013 after 10 years in the u.s. house of representatives where --. you can watch this event in its entirety on our website, www.c-span.org. governor pence: moments like this should be about the future, but is also important we see how far we have come read last year i told you at this podium we would make job creation job one, we would live within our means, we would improve our schools and cut taxes and thanks to the hard-working people of the state and all of you in this room, we did just what we said we would do, we balanced their budgets, we created jobs. we cut red tape. we improved our schools and roads and we pay down state that. -- and we paid down the state debt. heck, i even put the state plane up for sale. do knowing looking for a good deal on a beechcraft king air? give me a call.

and we came together to give hoosiers the largest state tax credit -- tax cut in indiana state history. that's something of which we can all be proud. [applause] the result? indiana has become a national leader in job growth. last year, hoosiers created more than 47,500 new private sector jobs, and we maintained our triple-a credit rating, one of the few states in the union to do that. [applause] and in november, one out of eight jobs created in the united

states of america was created by businesses right here in indiana. that is an extraordinary accomplishment for our people. [applause] unemployment was 8.6% when i stood here last year. while it is still too high today, indiana unemployment is now at a five low. -- it is at a five year low. since 2009, indiana has the fifth fastest private sector job growth in the united states of america. indiana is on the move because of the people of indiana. [applause] and let me say most encouraging to this dad -- indiana's fourth and eighth graders recently showed the second best improvement in america in math and reading scores in fourth grade -- and fourth grade reading proficiency is at an all-time high.

that is an accomplishment. we can all be proud. [applause] so, we have made progress in jobs and schools. but still too many hoosiers are out of work. our state is lacking behind -- lagging behind in per capita income and health and to make kids and under poor -- underperforming schools. we must remain relentless, bold, and ambitious. that is why last month i traveled throughout the state, from fort wayne to our old state capitol, and i outlined my agenda for 2014. in the time we have remaining i want to share a few highlights. first, we all recognize that low taxes are essential to attracting the kind of investment that will create good paying jobs. and even with our recent progress, i believe one significant impediment to investment remains.

it's called the business personal property tax. this is especially damaging because it's harder for hoosier businesses to grow because it directly taxes investments they make in equating -- and equipment. let me stay emphatically -- it does not make sense. technologypment and in a state that leaves the manufacture of it does not make sense. it looks like our neighboring states figured it out. ohio and illinois do not have a business personal property tax. ohio and michigan just voted to phase there's out. i want to urge members of both chambers, let's work together to find a responsible way to phase out the business personal property tax. but one word of caution. as we work through this process, let's do it in a way that protects our local governments and does not shift the burden of this business tax on the backs

of hard-working hoosiers. [applause] i appreciate that both the house and senate leadership are looking at the business personal property tax and other ways to ensure that indiana has the best tax climate possible. but phasing out the business personal property tax, i believe, will spur new investment by businesses large and small. businesses like a manufacturing startup launched by a marine veteran whose products help support our troops or larger businesses like one started in 1964 to manufacture technical training systems and software for college and industry. today, they employee 143 hoosiers and in 2010 was named