reassuring for the broader team to see you out front. easyer, it's very especially on political issues for the team to lineup against the good guys and the bad guys and you have to take that off the table. agree -- if they don't with you politically, it does not make them a bad guy and you have to meet with those people and listen to them and say im not going to go down this path and let me tell you why. i want to keep the dialogue and if we go down this path, maybe we can modify it. i can't get to a lot of the issues. there has to be an openness and a willingness to realize that you are serving in your capacity the whole country. you are serving all of these interests and to some degree, there are ways you can work with almost everybody. what i found a some of the people when you walk into those situations who are the most charged up and are coming at you

or the agency, end up being diffused a little bit and filling dignified. there is not enough of that right now in this city. >> it's an important point which as you are trying to balance various interests, you need to treat people with respect. and understand they are coming at you with their passion and their issue and their concern and that's legitimate. but then also help them understand the context with -- within which you are trying to make a decision. if the decisions are easy, they don't end up on our desk. they get made someplace else. in many instances, there is judgment calls that have to get made. those are hard. >> thank you very much, both of

you. [applause] >> thank you for being great champions and thank you for your facilitation. in our audience, we have paul wagner,nd dennis winners of the service to america medals. [applause] we need more sammies nominations. lastly, next and week on the 13th, we are releasing a report on the review of the office of management and budget in part of our transition series and how we might envision the center of government operating. thank you again. [applause] host[captions copyright national

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>> one of several discussions we have covered on the presidential transition and you can find all of them at www.c-span.org. on the road to the white house news -- the house financial services committee chair will

accompany mike pence to a campaign rally in harrisonburg, virginia. that rally is getting underway in harrisonburg momentarily. we will take you there live. expect to hear from mike pence and we will have it here on c-span when it gets underway. we're also hearing today from tim kaine who was in last night's vice presidential debate. he is in philadelphia this evening and we will have that live on c-span at 6:00 p.m. eastern. while we wait for governor mike dance, part of this money's washington journal and reaction to the ice presidential debate. host: tell is your name and what you thought of the debate. guest: i'm a junior at longwood and i thought the debate was pretty good. it was a lot different from the presidential debate obviously. they were actually talking about their policies. there was not as much back-and-forth bickering. when it did happen, it was more in good humor, so that was really great to see. just to be inside the debate hall, the atmosphere was nice

and quiet. it was really respectful of everything that was going on. i thought that was a great opportunity for me as a student. host: longwood university, this is the first debate. it's a small school at 5000 students. a thousand students according to this article are taking classes looking at the campaign. tell us what it's like for you and other students there to be hosting last night's debate. guest: definitely we have 30 debate related courses. i am personally in one. i'm a digital media major and in an advanced media reporting class. for us, we were able to go to the first debate at hofstra. and all expense paid trip. it was provided by the university. we were able to go to hofstra university and that is pretty much another once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. it also helped prepare us to cover this vice presidential debate. host: what are you learning

about the digital media and covering campaigns that you saw play out last night? guest: well, i had access to the media center, so that was a huge aspect of it. i did not realize how chaotic it could be and at the same time relaxed. people are focused on their work, so it's a lot of hands-on experience to see how media professionals today are doing their coverage and how they are working to get the timely news out. host: thank you so much for joining us here on c-span this morning and sharing your thoughts about what happened at your university last night. guest: thank you so much. host: we will turn to the calls now, asking all of you your top issue in campaign 2016. we are going to hear from dell in bethlehem, pennsylvania. what is your top issue? you are supporting hillary clinton? caller: the supreme court. i don't think it was mentioned last night. i watched it twice.

i am 76 years old and the court has been controlled by conservative since i was in my 20's. i really want to mention trumps corruption. not the tax issue itself, but how does a man with four casinos go broke four times in atlantic city? they were the only ones to go bankrupt and the casinos were booming and i was there several times. how does he go broke to set up that $900 million loss? you have to be blind not to see that. host: let us go to george who is supporting donald trump. what is your issue in this campaign? caller: my issue is foreign policies. basically i would like to pose a question to the general viewing public and the media. why did we bomb libya? libya has paid a penalty for what they have done and we claimed qadhafi was going to be shaking hands with our leaders.

and then, all of a sudden, from nowhere we start bombing them. , when we bombed them, we made libya a good source for islamists because we shipped arms from there to syria. the whole idea is that there is a group called the neocons. these neocons are supporting hillary. they are supporting the right wing of the republican party. trump comes in and says we want to focus on our economy rather than on bombing people. therefore, it seems to me like when we look at all of the neocons like bill kristol and all these people who put us into the war in iraq, they want to vote against trump.

it's an illustration of the public should realize are we just going to wage war against everybody or are we going to focus on our economy? host: george, what do you make of governor pence's response last night about the question about syria? he seemed to differ from the candidate on syria, talking about creating a safe zone and possibly having some military action and steps taken their. caller: absolutely, you are correct. governor pence, when he talked about syria, he sounded like a foreign policy warmonger just like most of the republicans are. i am a republican, but i'm against war. it is not affecting the united states. if nobody invades the united

states, we should not go and bomb people. it creates hostility from the outside against us. we should absolutely control the people who hate us. it is so silly to bomb everybody whether the hate us or not. host: let a show viewers the headline in "the washington post." pence goes far beyond trump on syria. it appears pence has gone far beyond anything donald trump has said about what trump has called his secret plan for syria. asked how his administration would stop the civil war carnage and aleppo, pence says that what america on to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and children can work out of those areas and work with our partners to make that happen. provocations by russia you to be -- need to be met with american

strength. let me show you the papers this morning on the situation in syria. the united nation says recent aleppo attacks may be a war crime. the united nations says that the bombardment of aleppo by russia and syria, which has killed more than 400 people and injured four, may constitute a war crime -- hundreds more may constitute , a war crime and should be referred to the international criminal court. the statement came after russia deployed and anti-aircraft missile system to syria and one the u.s. against attacking its ally. there is also this. john mccain the chairman of the senate armed services committee says stop assad now or expect years of war. ground zones on the opposition is what the senator and chairman is calling for. "the new york times" headline -- they report that russia is

trying to help syrian forces take the rebel held area of eastern aleppo and hope that it will set back the opposition in large areas that mr. assad controls. it should put them for an opportunity to talk should they ever resume. that's in the papers this morning. we are asking all of you -- what is your top issue? is it foreign policy or foreign affairs? is that driving you to vote for donald trump hillary clinton or a third-party candidate? let us hear from anna in troy, michigan. she is supporting a third-party candidate you are on the air. . you are on the air. caller: i just want to say that you do a wonderful job. anybody that criticizes you and your partiality or impartiality has not watch this program as long as i have. i'm kind of a third-party,

undecided person. i think in all fairness that everyone should know that governor pence ran a radio program for a number of years similar to what rush limbaugh has. i used to live in indiana many years ago. he has a radio presence. my dilemma is donald trump makes all these are erratic decisions. in the morning i'm going to do this, and in the afternoon i'm going to change my mind. one thing i find really scary is that he said the united states should get the oil in iraq. iraq is a country that we invaded. they had nothing to do with the problem that we were experiencing at that time.

you cannot say that you will invade a country and get their oil. we invaded them as an error. host: obviously this is an important issue to you. what about hillary clinton's vote for the iraq war? caller: well, i will tell you what. as a person who have someone diet 9/11, i think the country was traumatized. , i think they were more for the united nations and the united nations -- i think everybody in this country thought "let's get them." thatthe president him to iraq had something to do with it , that is one of the reasons why

most everybody voted for the war but in retrospect, i think they would definitely have a different opinion. i have lots of friends and relatives that live in iraq at the time. saddam was a monster but what happened to their country was -- worse and many say where does issues related to women? where do those rank for you in this campaign? anyone who has the opinion that mr. trump has, which he has , -- ased for many years woman has to be a 10 before she is any ring -- she has to have large breasts, all of these different things that are very offensive to people because the butage woman is not a 10

they may be tens in their heart and that is more important. are a goodbut if you person and if you have a good heart and good intentions, those are the things that will sustain you. host: i want to show our viewers what donald trump put out in a new ad hoping to -- this is what the washington examiner says -- to make up lost ground with women, called "motherhood." important job and a woman can have is being a mother. donald trump understands the needs of a modern workforce. my father will change outdated labor laws. he will provide tax credits for tile care, paid maternity leave dependent counts. this will allow women to support their families and further their

careers. host: the new ad featuring his what the featuring candidate will do. we are asking you what your top issue is in this campaign. let's hear from james in missouri, who is supporting hillary clinton. caller: good morning. jobssue would have to be and the racial divide. get those two issues up. ourselves more. there is so much we could do with the infrastructure. it needs to be done. people can have a steady income and enhance the united states and make it a better situation.

said she would support this idea that president obama has talked about which is putting money in infrastructure. caller: definitely. i know this is something obama would have liked to have done, but congress -- like mitch mcconnell -- said that he would be a one term president. you haven't done anything doing this. host: all right. i will leave it there. i will get more phone calls intimate -- in a minute. >> you have mentioned that president obama is postponing a campaign event for hillary clinton today that he is heading to fema to talk about the approach of hurricane matthew. the visit expected a little after 11:00 this morning in d.c.. officials are very concerned

about the approach of hurricane matthew the tampa bay times notes on its website. tracking of hurricane matthew has it tracking closer to florida's east coast. earlier this week, governor rick scott declared a state of emergency in every county due to the magnitude. here are tweets from the florida delegation. "considero saying giving your employees time to get ready." also retreating this from the navy times. haiti has requested u.s. assistance from the u.s.. other tweets from members of congress from the florida delegation. patrick murphy, who is running against marco rubio for that tweetedseat in florida out "please stay alert.

weather advisory and story about the approach of the storm." stay safe through hurricane matthew. "stockross tweeting out up on emergency supplies, plan and evacuation and stay safe." he also tweets out new websites. a tweet yesterday from bill clinton, "praying for everyone impacted. here is how you can help in haiti." a link to the clinton foundation on how to help there. we will watch the news this morning as it makes its way towards the united states. governor inom the florida and nikki haley in south carolina declaring a state of

emergency. tom in kentucky, you are supporting mr. trump. why is that? the thing that gets me is, last night when i was watching, pence asked the question that if either one of their sons had done what hillary clinton had done with the e-mails or anything, they would be court-martialed. this orid anything like else, would we get droned? come on. we would be hung out to dry. and komi is so scared of -- of what, i have no idea. it is so one-sided for her and her family. in sterling,d

virginia supporting hillary clinton. it is your turn. >> good morning. caller: my issue is about economics. that starts with education. trump has not said anything about education. he says he cannot reveal his taxes, he is disrespectful to the american voters. -- his toxic. -- it is toxic. so disrespectful. how come he cannot be respectful to me? host: john in san diego, who are you supporting? caller: i am supporting jill stein. host: why is that? caller: she is the only one

talking about issues that are important like green energy fracking,mate change, maybe. dakota, andh north giving away the native american land, the trade deal, tpp, nafta, they didn't even talk about nafta. and tpp will be 10 times worse. and i sts, if we stand up -- host: hillary clinton and donald trump are opposed to tpp. caller: i don't believe either of them. i believe trump. he ran on that for a while.

but hillary, i don't trust on that. she seems to change her mind a lot. change a few words and maybe change the name of it and then write it back. host: trade is one of the big issues. another issue for you out there watching and calling in is health care. wall street journal with the headline "republicans pounced on the former president for statements about president obama's health care law." toy jumped on the reference some aspects of the act as the ."raziest thing in the world mr. clinton speaking in flint, michigan on monday when he noticed 25 million people were getting coverage while others were seeing premiums double and coverage get cut in half. but the people getting killed our small business people.

why? they are not organized. bargaining power and they are getting whacked. he says it is the craziest thing in the world. clinton's wife has pushed for changes that she has said would improve the law and help coverage such as allowing americans that 55 and 64 in medicare. she has said also she would focus on the affordability of health care. about 2.5 million are missing out on obamacare's tax credits. jean o'donnell reports that the people missing out to lower the cost of their insurance because they are buying health insurance plans of federal and state exchanges. this is according to federal regulators. those earning up to 100,000 for a family of four are eligible for tax credits that lower the

cost of insurance premiums. people who make less than 100% of the poverty level would be eligible for obamacare but 20 states have opted against expanding. the new data highlighted a key group the administration needs to attract. the marketplace for those not covered by an employer or government insurance plan. insurers like at my, sigma and united health care cited high cost of covering people who haven't rolled so far. health care is your issue or any other public policy or political one, let us know why. robert in oregon is supporting mr. trump. good morning. i've reviewed what you do. first thing, i support mr. trump. our tired of both of parties and our president

administration being a banana republic. clinton's big problem is credibility. i understand the department of justice dropped a suit against an arms dealer that had .nformation regarding libya but that is beside the point. getting back to the economy, mr. trump and his bankruptcies, i think it is hypocritical of people to make an issue out of that when we, the people ailed out gm and we will never see the total amount of that money back to us. -- you large corporation can take general election that takes those. george soros, who took -- i don't know the exact amount -- it was the same amount. it was crip -- hypocritical of the press to make that. i want someone who hold people responsible. thank you for your time.

talisha will go on to in greensboro, north carolina who is supporting hillary clinton. we will show you some of the reactions to last night's vice presidential debate. go ahead? supporteram a hillary and my biggest thing with donald trump -- he doesn't know how to explain things like basic things. he doesn't know how to explain what he is going to do. a great example is in the first .ebate his second or third question was "how are you going to go about bringing jobs back? " , we're not going to let the jobs leave. that is not enough.

you have to be able to explain what you are going to do and how you are going to go about doing it. that is my problem. the economy and jobs are important, have you gone to see hillary clinton at a rally or an event? she spent some time in north carolina. i haven't, but like i said, she does know how to explain things, to make people understand what she is going to do. and donald trump just doesn't know how to explain what he is going to do. he can't explain it. he would just go around it and he doesn't explain and tell what he is going to do. host: let's go to brownsville, texas, undecided.

good morning to you. what is your issue and tell me, what is your first name? caller: my name is guillermo. religion.s education, concerned, im think we are being forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. i am undecided. i want to vote for gary johnson that i don't understand why any of the other candidates are not allowed into the debates. the american people have the right to hear it but because of the pollsters, they are not allowed. i don't want to vote for donald trump but i don't want to vote for clinton. but i will vote for her because she claimsnk she --

that she uses -- he uses the system to his own benefit but that is unethical. that is not correct. it is ripping off people. at least she is trying to make up for it. and weto have a choice are not getting the choice right now. host: first, john mccarty, what do we have -- john mcardle, what do you have? >> we're talking about the president's and where they are standing up across the country. donald trump will be in henderson, nevada and reno, nevada and mike pence is heading to harrisonburg, virginia and to grantville, pennsylvania. tim kaine will be in

pennsylvania, chelsea clinton will be in south dakota. bill clinton starts with a breakfast in youngstown ohio and is headed to canton, ohio. tim kaine will be in las vegas, nevada and then head back to pennsylvania. chelsea clinton will be in minnesota. bernie sanders will be in dearborn, ann arbor, and grand rapids tomorrow. bernie sanders also with an event scheduled on friday, all of that leading up to the second presidential debate in some -- on sunday. host: the wall street journal has this headline. "republican rally, tally well ahead." coverage,ocal tv which is gold -- what the wall street journal says -- for their campaign.

but mrs. clinton has collected less than donald trump. at the start of september, she has outlined 17 public campaign events versus 35 by the republican nominee. the discrepancy appears to mostly be due to the time she has spent repairing for the debate. an opponent appeared thrown off his game in the days following the debate. mr. trump doesn't campaign on sundays. he took one day off to prepare for their first debate. clinton has had help from her high profile, her husband had time 12 events during that along with president obama adding another 11. they are adding another 200 additional events. >> another campaign event in harrisonburg, virginia. mike pence is going to speak to

the group here at the rockingham county fair association exhibit hall. they heard already from ed gillespie, the former rnc chair. they are expecting to hear from jeb hensarling of texas. we will have live coverage on c-span once it gets underway and more from tim kaine, democratic candidate this evening in philadelphia. at 6:00have that eastern. while we wait for the event, we bring more reaction from this morning's washington journal. host: the first time for this university to be holding a debate, the liberal arts school founded in 1839 located in farmville virginia, about 65 miles southwest of richmond. there were 5000 students that attended and one is joining us. good morning to you. tell us your name and your >> -- impressions.

my name is morgan rawlings and my impression was that it was very intense to sit in and watch that live. it is one thing to watch it behind a tv screen but to see it live -- it is very hard to do. towere excited but we had keep it contained so we were excited to be there but it was very intense to watch them debate and interrupt one another. -- were there it any technical difficulties in the debate hall? we heard donald trump saying in the debate hall you could hear his microphone was not working and that didn't come across on the airwaves. any problems you heard or saw? >> no. i did a meet and greet with senator tim kaine, who said that they checked the mics.

was a reallyit neat experience to watch all of that with the news behind us. was everybody respectful to the rules of not making a noise while the debate is happening? >> that was tough. some things were just inevitable, people would get a laugh or get a better reaction but for the most part it was respectful host:. what is your top issue in this campaign? was it talked about last night? tohonestly, we are trying hear the issues. we want to avoid the mudslinging. we just want to hear what is going on and what they feel on every issue. there is not one in particular, i think it is important to focus on something other than the insults and mudslinging. host: did you think there was

enough substance? >> i did. i think each of them got to say how they felt and how they were going to do should they be elected. i think it was a good mix of suspect -- substance and mudslinging. host: c-span and our campaign 2016 bus has been in farmville, virginia since sunday. look out for our campaign bus traveling across the country and it will be at the next debate as well. undecided.., you are is this because of an issue in particular? caller: good morning. thank you for your service. i think it is a mixture of two. -- understanding where the people's needs are seems like politicians are totally out of touch with

everything. intrepidrly with my trepidation with voting. butow the electoral vote, the one thing that i really would like to see is prison reform. it touched a little bit on it in both debates. planed more of a robust for prison reform. i know a lot of this is relegated to the states but a more robust plan about how to train and prepare our journeys. manyave tons of people, who have college credit and they have -- everyone is not a person in the pipeline person. the school to prison pipeline

demographic, they do however need to work on that. to sentencing guidelines things that have been on the books since the 70's. you really need to work on trying to get the community aspect ofith the getting them trained properly. and having them returned, it is so much human capital right now that could be advantageous for comedians at home -- it would alleviate fatherlessness, it would help men and women be applet -- acclimated to the family. let's go on to emanuel in durham, north carolina, supporting hillary clinton. good morning. thank you for your service. is the moste, what

important policy issued to you? caller: the most important issue to me is the appointment of supreme court justices. mind, it isthat in hard to have a conversation with many different people, from cabdrivers to corporate ceos. i've come to the conclusion that that is very important and that convinced me that i need to support a candidate who would at appoint moderate and not so much a liberal supreme court justice. the appointment of justices to expect the nation and the people as a whole, anywhere from 20 to 30 to 40 years. keep that in mind when holding a debate about voting rights. i think i and the american people really need to think

about who they vote for on november 8. host: let's get a news update from john mcardle. noted, ad spending and tracking ads is a major way to look at where the campaigns are concentrating their efforts. reporting on ad spending out today, donald trump and his allies are spending more and more on the airwaves but that is not enough to overcome hillary clinton's advantage. the clinton campaign has spent $113 million on adverts. when outside groups are factored in, team clinton exceeded 189 million. that put an advantage over the .irwaves in the battleground states, clinton is out to be trump -- .eat trump

mark murray, the reporter on that story also tweeting out a chart of that spending from just this week alone. $4 million being spent by pro-clinton groups in the state of florida. almost $3 million spent by pro-trump groups. the only battleground states are in virginia. here is one of those ads from the pro-clinton groups, priority usa out with their ad about donald trump's taxes. showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> when i saw donald trump say that he thought it was smart to get out of paying taxes, i felt like i was being called stupid. we have schools that need money and roads that need to be fixed and veterans that need help. proud a president who is

of our country, not proud of getting out of paying taxes. one other ad to show our viewers. you had mentioned an ad that featured donald trump's daughter, he banca. .- ivanka another ad features her talking about donald trump and his childcare plan. >> i love being a mom but no matter how hard we work we can't get ahead. childcare costs have us stuck. allows for every family to deduct their childcare expenses from their income taxes. >> his plan makes a difference for working families. more money, more freedom, he is helping americans just like us. so is childcare and

important issue to you? we are getting your take on the top policy issues for you and explain how that is impacting your vote in november. we are 33 days away from election day. we have 35 minutes left in this conversation. let's hear from tina in greensboro, north carolina. supporting donald trump. is health care. i have a small business with about 25 employees and my daughter is a student at unc medical school. the reason i said no -- health care was i started under the reagan administration so i got a e.od start ther three or four years under obamacare has just skyrocketed for my employees. i have also seen my daughter in

medical school, her tuition just skyrockets under democrats and to hear women call in, it saddens me because i feel like i am a strong woman, to hear them say that because he uses the word pagan or whatever that that ig ore reason -- p whatever that that is the reason. with that has done to hurt women in business and to see my daughters struggle, i don't understand why they don't vote the issues instead of the emotions. that is why i am voting for trump because i want to vote in north carolina. clinton is -- i am an independent voter. i voted for obama twice and she promises things that we never got. such as lower health care, lower tuition that was promised eight

years ago. and trump has got a plan. that is why i am voting issues, not emotions. i wish i could see more women, since we have this right, to vote the issues instead of the emotions. this is what hillary wants these women to do. on's get our big girl hands and focus on what will make us stronger businessmen, stronger women in business and issues instead of emotions. host: ernie in colorado is undecided. i am undecided but my original choice would have been ben carson. he seemed to be one of the most smartest persons on either side. since dr. ben carson does

support trump, i am leaning towards trump. because we all know hillary's past all the way from watergate , andtoday with her e-mails what dangers she put her country and with those e-mails. host: is it hillary clinton's past that is the issue for you and that is why you are voting for trump? caller: she lies. host: ok. santos,ing, illinois, supporting clinton. what do you make of that donald trump supporter who just said hillary clinton's history -- he believes he can't trust her. caller: i believe -- that is a good point. that he is making, but we have all had our challenges in the

past and maybe we are all guilty of this. towe take you now harrisonburg, virginia and mike pence at a campaign rally the day after the vice presidential debate. introducing him, ed gillespie. please join me in welcoming , the nextarrisonburg vice of the united states of america, governor mike pence. [applause]

gov. pence: hello, virginia. it is wonderful to be here. thank you for that wonderful warm welcome. i am mike pence. [applause] just a few short months ago i accepted my party's nomination to run and serve as the next vice president of the united states of america. you. have to tell i appreciated that introduction more than i can tell you. he knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is

shorter. christian, a conservative, and a republican in that order. got to tell you, i joined this campaign in a heart rate because you have nominated a man for president quits, who never backs down, he is a fighter, he is a winner, and until very recently it looked like he was fighting all on his own but now this movement is coming together . this state is coming together. we are going to elect donald trump is the next president of the united states of america. but it is great to be in virginia. we had a little debate last night. [applause] it was at longwood university and i was humbled and honored to be there. donald trump called me from nevada to congratulate me.

that really meant the world to me. some people think i won. [applause] but i will leave that to others. what i can tell you is from where i sat, donald trump won the debate. [applause] gov. pence: donald trump's vision to make america great again won the debate. [applause] gov. pence: and when we take that vision to every corner of virginia and every corner of this great nation, this movement , that man, and that vision are going to win all the way to the white house. [applause] gov. pence: i truly do believe donald trump embodies the american spirit. strong, freedom loving, independent, optimistic, and willing to fight every day for

what he believes in and he is going to make america great again. i promise you that. people ask me sometimes, what is it about donald trump? i am from south of highway 40 in indiana, we speak plainly down that way. we've got a hoosier in the crowd. but donald trump just gets it. are you with me? he is the genuine article. he is a doer in a game usually reserved for talkers. when donald trump does his talking, he doesn't go tiptoeing around all those thousands of rules of political correctness that the media puts in the way of men and women who want to make a difference. he speaks from his heart.

the american people hear him loud and clear and they are going to send that man and that message to the oval office. is the party in power seems helpless to figure out our nominee. i am talking about the media. have you ever noticed that? seriously, they keep telling each other the usual message -- methods are going to work. now we have found this thing and he said they think they have finally done him in. morning,the next donald trump is still standing stronger than ever before and fighting for the american people. it is fun to watch. forgottenmp has never . he has never forgotten the men and women who built this nation. people that work with their hands, who grow our food, build

our roads and bridges and 10 to our sick and teach our kids. and i promise you, we will never forget the men and women who serve on the thin blue line of law enforcement all across this state and nation. they know it. it is why the largest police officers union in america, 330,000 strong, the fraternal order of police, endorsed donald trump to be the next president. there is a lot of law enforcement with us today and i am honored to be with each and every one of them. has been a challenging time for law enforcement in this country. would you mind showing these men and women just how much we appreciate the job they do? [applause]

as. pence: i promise you, chief law enforcement officer of the united states, a president donald trump will stand with the men and women who serve in law enforcement. we will provide them with the resources and the tools that they need to restore law and order to every city and every , protect ournation families, and go home safe to there's. .- theirs is crying out for something new and different, the other party has answered with a stale agenda and the most critical of names. it is pretty amazing. at a time when people in both parties are restless for change, we know we can have governments as good as our people again. the other party has nominated someone who personifies the failed establishment in washington dc.

can i just asked you to decide here and now, the first stop on my bus tour, that we will resolve over the next 33 days to not rest, to not relent until we ensure hillary clinton will never be elected president of the united states of america. [applause] >> lock her up. >> lock her up. gov. pence: the truth of the matter is that this campaign has been amazing to be a part of. thes like two on one with media doing half of hillary clinton's work for her. sometimes i get up and i have to turn on the television with a stick. you never know what is going to be there? is doinggh the media

half her work for us, donald trump is still winning hearts and minds every day and he is going to win all the way to the white house. the media is so busy parsing every word he said or tweeted that it seems like they haven't had time to talk about what the clintons have been up to for the last 30 years. let me see if i can help. this campaign is about very serious things. you heard that last night. it was incredible. senator tim kaine sat across that table from me and after an avalanche of insults, he said that he referred to us as running and insulted and campaign. half ofclinton called the people that believe we can make america great again a basket of deplorables. but despite their avalanche of insults, this election really is

about issues that matter to the people of virginia and this country. it is about security and it is about posterity and about the supreme court of the united states and preserving the highest standards of integrity in the highest office in the land and on every single one of isse issues, donald trump the right choice for the united states of america in 2016. on security, we talked a lot about it last night. of thend a half years leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton has weakened america's place in the world and embolden our enemies. despite traveling millions of as our secretary of state, the world is more dangerous today than the day that hillary clinton took over the foreign policy of this country. our enemies are more emboldened. that itportant to know

was hillary clinton who failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement in iraq that resulted in all u.s. military forces pulling out of those hard-fought games -- gains. in whichd a vacuum isis was able to be conjured up out of the desert to overrun been one ofhat have great sacrifice by the american soldier. caps a few people wearing that acknowledge their service to this country. would you mind either standing or sliding your hand in the air? would you let us say thanks one more time? [applause] thank you for your service. it was hillary clinton who initiated that disastrous agreement with the radicals in iran.

$150 billion. yearsaid last night, for we imposed punishing sanctions on iran and said they would never go away until you run completely abandoned its nuclear ambitions. what we did was deliver $150 billion and all we got was a delay of gains. of thee period agreement runs out of there is no restriction at all on iran's development. the worst of it was that on the day that iran released four american hostages this administration, with the full support of hillary clinton and tim kaine delivered $400 million in cash on a wooden pallet in a ransom payment to a terror sponsoring state. it really is extraordinary. the white house said it wasn't a

ransom but the iranians said it was. when donald trump becomes president, we are not paying ransom to terrorists or terrorist sponsors. they are going to pay a price. if they threaten or detain the people of this country. lastly, it was hillary clinton and her state department who left americans in harm's way in benghazi, at a state department facility. she told the parents of the fallen, when there remains arrived at dover air force base, she told them it was because of a filmmaker in florida when she knew full well she had sent an e-mail to her own daughter on the very night of the attack that it was an al qaeda style terrorist attack. "whattually said difference at this point does it make? " a proudell you, as

father of a marine, let me say this. anyone who said that, anyone who did that should be disqualified from ever serving as commander in chief of the armed forces of the united states of america. yearsnot have four more of apologizing to our enemies and abandoning our friends. for the world to be safe, america needs to be strong and donald trump will lead on the world stage with american strength. will rebuild our military, restore the arsenal of democracy, provide our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines with the resources they need to a couple of the mission, and they will hunt down and destroy isis and any terrorist organization that threatens our people. [applause] gov. pence: that is probably why

160 retired admirals and generals, including 17 medal of honor winners have endorsed donald trump to be the next commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the united states. this election is about security and real choices. it is also about prosperity. we heard again tonight, last night, we heard about how things have gotten better in the economy in this country. it is incredible. we are in the midst of the slowest recovery since the great depression. millions more people are living in poverty today than the day that barack obama became president. hillary clinton's plan is more of the same. more taxes, more regulation, more obamacare, more of the war on coal that is stifling the american economy. it is astonishing. a lot of talk about taxes.

my counterpart sounded like a broken record over there. he said it was simple. hillary clinton is going to raise your taxes and donald trump and i are going to cut -- taxes for working families, small businesses, and family farms. we are going to lower business taxes in america so businesses in virginia can grow and keep jobs here in the united states and not see them going overseas. trump has a plan. to get this economy moving again. it is a time-honored principle that has always worked. it worked in the 80's when reagan did it and in the 1960's when kennedy did it. let people keep more of what they are. the trump of ministration, we are going to

sign a moratorium on any regulation and repeal every single executive order that is stifling growth and jobs in this economy. [applause] donald trump and i are going to work with members of congress like my great friend jeb hensarling from texas, who is with me today and did such a great job last night. can you give it up for congressman jeb hensarling? he is an outstanding conservative. donald trump and i know that congress convenes before the new president is inaugurated, so if you don't mind getting to work with paul ryan for the bill on this new president's desk to repeal obamacare on day one. [applause] >> donald trump and i also know the strength of this nation can be found in the vast natural resources of this nation. to get this economy moving again.

we will end the war on coal once and for all. develop ang to energy strategy, call forth the power of this nation and lower the cost of energy. and when donald trump he comes , -- you with chief me on that? -- we're talking trade now. negotiator in chief isn't in the constitution yet. comesen donald trump he negotiator in chief, i promise we are going to have a president who renegotiate snapped us it works for the american worker. we are going to get out of tpp and hold our partners accountable for the promises that they make to the american people. we are going to put the american worker first. [applause] they tell us this economy is the best that we can do. but donald trump and i know

different. it is not the best that we can do. it is just the best they can do. and when donald trump becomes president, we are going to put those commonsense conservative principles into practice and we are going to get the economy of virginia and the united states of america on the move. [applause] lastly, before i get to a close and i have to say thank you for coming out today. this is such a blessing. i know i am not the main event. i am the other picture on the bus. so give yourselves a round of applause for coming out today. [applause] gov. pence: it is very humbling to me. folks, this is really about our country.

we need usually of year not just having heard a speech on platforms of hay bales and a great virginia setting. i hope you find neighbors and friends and say "i saw mike, he looked a little tired, but he -- despite this is all of the distractions in this campaign -- it is about big issues and security. a stronger america standing tall in the world stage." it is about a more prosperous america that gets this economy moving again. for all of our people. you to tell them that while we are electing a president for the next four that president is going to set the course of the supreme court for the next 40 years. we had better think long and hard about that. we really do.

i don't think any to tell the people of virginia about the constitution. i don't think we need to talk about james madison. i don't think we need to tell you about the miracle of that document and the god-given liberties that are enshrined there. i've got to tell you that whether it is our freedom of speech, our freedom of expression, our freedom of the itss, of religion, whether be the right to keep and bear ,rms of law-abiding citizens whether it be all the god-given liberties enshrined in our constitution, let me just say this. we have to decide here, in the home of james madison in the great commonwealth of virginia, we have to decide here and now, for the sake of our constitution, for the sake of the rule of law and our

god-given liberties that the next president of the united states to make appointments to the supreme court will be president donald trump. donald trump will appoint justices of the supreme court and will uphold our constitution in the tradition of the late and great justice antonin scalia. they will interpret the constitution and uphold our laws. the will not legislate from bench. they will be strict constructionists and the american people will be proud. [applause] is aboute: so it security, it is about prosperity, it is about our supreme court. but is also about having the highest standards of integrity in the land. truthfully, you look at the avalanche of controversies coming out of the clinton years and it is almost hard to keep up.

we talked about it last night, the fact that when hillary clinton was serving as third ranking constitutional officer in our government, she had a private foundation that accepted contributions from foreign donors. and foreign governments. then she had a private server presumably so communications about what she was doing there would not be susceptible to public accountability. we will never know because we are still waiting on those 33,000 e-mails that she hasn't revealed. when you are talking about that server, she had a private server where she had classified information including e-mails about drone strikes, military operations, e-mails from the president. classified information that was on an unsecured server that can be susceptible and vulnerable to

hacking and exposure to the enemies of this country. as i told senator kaine last night, if either of our sons in the military handled classified information the way secretary clinton did, they would be court-martialed. that is the hard truth. the american people are tired of it. they havepoint is said they won't accept contributions from foreign governments and foreign donors if she becomes president because it would be a conflict of interest. it was the a conflict of asormation -- interest secretary of state of the united states of america. you are looking at pay for play politics and it is exactly the kind of pay to play politics that is going to end the day donald trump becomes president of the united states. intoay donald trump walks

available office, the days of the rate system for the favored few are going to come to a crashing end. when he becomes president, his only special interest will be you. the american people. he is going to fight for you and the people of this nation each and every day as our great president. security and prosperity and the supreme court and high standards of integrity. it is what this election is about. will beknow what issue fluttering on the news tonight. i don't have any idea. it will be something. but i hope you go tell somebody "mike said this is what this is about." this is why the enormous throngs of everyday americans coming out across the country for donald trump are coming out.

he is only the first one to say when we campaign together we will look out of the car window and say this isn't about me and us. movement. of the american people. and we will make america great again. i want you to do two things. i want you to tell people about the choice. we did that last night. point counterpoint. i hope you tell people if donald trump and yours truly, you have got a couple of people that will always believe, there will always be more in this country that unites the people of the united states than will ever divide us. it has a lot to do with faith. is faith in the thing

we call the american dream. i believe in it. donald trump believes in it. if we think about it, his .randfather immigrated my grandfather immigrated from ireland. his dad is a self-made man who built a business in queens. my dad followed worked down to a small town in southern indiana, built a small town gas business with my mom, a self-made man. to whom much is given, much will for donald here it trump, that meant the kid from queens went to manhattan island and started to build big buildings, right? intoe, it was a calling public service. i tell people, if you think wholeit, other than a bunch of zeros, donald trump and i have a lot in common. [laughter] a lot of zeros. [laughter]

that is a believe in the american dream. it is a simple believe in america. it is new every time we consider it. different from much of the history of most of the world. in america, regardless of race or creed or color or anybody.nybody can be if you work hard, you study hard, treat others the way you wanted to be treated and you never give up. i want to promise you donald trump and i will work every day to revive the american jam for every family in every american. [applause] mr. pence: faith in the american dream and lastly, it is about that has always underpinned america.

brought our first settlers to our shores and sustain them through those harsh days. and it will always be the foundation of american crisis -- america, we will always be one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice fraud. the failed establishment in virginia, or we can do different. that is, we can elect a leader, a truth teller.

a broad shouldered man. to lay it out one more time and then i will let you get to lunch. this is another time for choosing. a president who will protect the nation, rebuild our military, restore the arsenal of support our troops and those who serve, in uniform, and who will give our were fighters the resources, ability, and the clarity to hunt down and destroy isis, and any terrorist organization that threatens our people, if you want a president who will do -- restore law and order to every city in every bymunity in the nation supporting law enforcement with the tools and the resources that they need and deserve, if you want a president who will cut

taxes, grow the economy, squeeze every in a call out bloated federal bureaucracy and repeal obama care, lock stock and barrel -- [applause] if you want a president who will build a wall, and forced the laws of the nation for the people of the nation -- [chanting "trump!"] mr. pence: and and illegal immigration once and for all, and if you want a president who change the status quo in washington, d.c., i mean really. he will up end of the status quo in washington dc. a president who will uphold the constitution of the united states of america, then i want to tell you, virginia, we have but one choice.

of those things. and i'm here to tell you, that man is ready. his team is ready. ready.vement is if you will go make sure that a electia is ready, we will donald trump as the 45th president of the united states of america, and we will make america great again. thank you very much. let's get it done. [applause] ♪ [no audio]

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>> mike pence in his first post debate campaign stop here. more live coverage coming up c-span this evening. metal union, that group there at 6:00 p or it we will have live coverage here on c-span and the full primetime evening with rate -- with debates tonight. at 9:30, arizona first district, kirkpatrickby ann running against john mccain, california senate debate between the candidates to be california's next senator, retiring. the contestants, both democrats and loretta sanchez and harris at 10:00 eastern. a three way indiana governors debate.

tonight at 8:00 eastern. >> first ladies is the name of the book. presidential historians, the lives of iconic american women. mark farkas, executive producer here at c-span, what is this? what we have done is we have taken every single program where we had some of the greatest historians on the presidency and biographers of the first ladies and taken them and put them into narrative form each chapter. has a chapterdy on their biography, including their time as first lady, obviously. some of them had great influence and some had less influence. >> was a far -- hard to find records? some were easy. between her letters and john adams where she is

lobbying him to remember the ladies and then lobbying him on issues of slavery. there is only two that exists. you go from one extreme to the other and farther along you make you see thehere is adaptation of technology and the role of first lady begins to merge as well. .ow, a very public role in the past, they could get away if they want to be behind the scenes. i do not think you do that anymore. >> former first ladies running for president? mark: the chapter on hillary clinton for anyone who wants to know how she approaches campaigning in her approach to politics, read that chapter. one you know right away she is the most famous, well-known woman in the world. she is on the campaign trail in 1992 when things are getting sort of rough for the clintons. it shows how hillary reacted.

things she would rather not had happened but she goes on the attack with republicans. a savvy first lady and politician even back in 1992. >> what did you learn during the series and working on the book? mark: mime favorites were when i knew nothing about them. lucy, lemonade lucy, riveting alcohol in the white house. a lot deeper than that. she was in some ways ahead of her time. pushing costs. grace coolidge, you have calvin coolidge and then grace is almost a rock star. of calvin.opposite you learn about the modern first ladies. you learn this in the book. offers ladies go back to her as a role model because she takes on causes. breakis a little bit of a taking on the cause and the ladybird takes on the cause, it is really environmentally.

i learned they really do play a role and the public right now, they get a lot done. >> what is the involvement of historian richard smith? mark: he makes a really good point i think, which comes out when you read the book. probably haddies how we if not more on live the life. she is ahead of the curve on the first lady. not saying things gerald ford wants to hear. ,hen you think about the causes and in a way, an effect on a lot of people's lives, maybe more than some of the presidents have. >> and here is the book. presidential historians on the american menconic

and women, now available at your favorite bookstore online. >> live coverage this afternoon on c-span. we will be at howard university at the nation's capital. loretta lynch holding a town hall meeting live at 3:15 eastern. after last night's vice presidential debate, we asked on facebook who won the debate. we welcome your comments. garrett said that mike pence easily one -- won. to attack.othing another set if you can win by lying, then mike pence one. we welcome your comments at facebook.com/c-span. we take you to longwood university at farm with -- farmville university to last night's debate. it is about one hour and 50 minutes.

>> good evening and welcome to the first and only vice presidential debate of 2016 sponsored by the presidential debates. i am an anchor at cbs and an correspondent for cbs news. honor to moderate this debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence. servants andtime proud fathers of sons serving in the u.s. marines. the campaigns have agreed to the rules of the 90 minute debate. nine different segments covering domestic and foreign policy issues. each segment will begin with a question to both candidates who will each have two minutes to answer. then i'll ask follow-up questions to facilitate a discussion between the answer. then i'll ask follow-up questions to facilitate a

discussion between the candidates. by coin toss, it's been determined that senator kaine will be first to answer the opening question. we have an enthusiastic audience tonight. they've agreed to only express that enthusiasm once at the end of the debate and right now as we welcome governor mike pence and senator tim kaine. [applause] [applause] >> thank you. it is an honor. [applause] [cheering] elaine: gentlemen. welcome. it truly is a privilege to be with both of you tonight. i would like to start with the topic of presidential leadership. 28 years ago tomorrow night, lloyd bentsen said the vice presidential debate was not about the qualifications for vice presidency, but how, if tragedy should occur, the vice president has to step in without margin for ever, without time

for preparation to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world. what are your qualities, your skills, and your temperament that equip you to step into that role at a moments notice? so great to beis back at longwood in farmville, virginia. this is a very special place. 65 years ago, a young, courageous woman, barbara johns, led a walkout over high school. she made history by protesting school go duration -- segregation should she believes our nation is stronger together and walkout led to the brown versus board of education decision that moved us toward equality. i am so proud to be running with another strong history making woman, hillary clinton, to be president of the united states. her vision of stronger together, building an economy that works for all, not just those at the top, being safe in the world,

not only with a strong military, but also strong alliances, to battle terrorism and climate change, and also to build a community of respect, like barbara johns tried to do 65 years ago. that is why i am so proud to be a running mate. hillary told me why she asked me to be a running mate. it will be whether we can make somebody's life better, whether we can make a classroom better learning environment for school kids were teachers, whether we can make it safer. it is going to be about results. she said to me, you have been a missionary and civil rights lawyer. you have been a lieutenant governor and governor, and now a u.s. senator. i think you will help me figure out how to govern this nation so we always keep in mind that the success of the administration is the difference we make in people's lives. that is what i bring to the ticket. i have served at all levels of government. my primary role is to be hillary

clinton's right-hand person and strong support i she put together the most historic administration possible. i relish that role. i am so proud of her. we trust hillary clinton, my wife and i, with the most important thing in our life here it we have a son deployed in the marines. we trust hillary clinton as president and commander in treat . the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. gov. pence: thank you to longwood university for the wonderful hospitality, the commission on presidential debates. it is deeply humbling for me to be here, to be surrounded by my what if a family. senator kaine, it is a honor to be your with you as well. i want to say thank you to everyone looking in the night, who understands what an enormously important time this is in the life of our nation. for the last 7.5 years, we have seen america's place in the eakened, the

economy stifled by taxation, a war on coal, and the american people know that we need to make a change. i want to thank all of you for being with us tonight. i want to thank donald trump for making that call and inviting us to be a part of this ticket. i am a small town boy from a place not too different from farmville. i grew up with a cornfield in my backyard. my grandfather immigrated to this country when she would -- when he was about my sunday's age. son's age. they raised a family. i dream someday of representing my hometown and washington, d.c., but honestly, elaine, i never imagined i would have the opportunity to be governor of the state i love, let alone be sitting at a table like this in this kind of position. to answer your question, i would hope that if the responsibility

ever fell to me in this role, that i would meet the responsibility should i be elected vice president of the united states, to bring up a lifetime of experience, a lifetime of grinding up in a small town, where i served in the congress of the united states, in the great state of indiana. i would hope, and pray, to be able to meet that moment with matt lifetime of experience. elaine: -- with that lifetime of experience. elaine: you talked about hillary clinton's character, yet 60% of voters do not think she has trustworthy. why do so many people distrust her? is it because they have questions about her e-mails and the clinton foundation? sen. kaine: let me tell you why i trust hillary clinton. here's what people should look for in a servant. do they have a passion in their

life before they were in public life? hillary clinton has that passion from a time as a kid in a methodist youth group in the suburbs of chicago, she has been focused on serving others with a special focus on empowering families and kids. as a civil rights lawyer in the south with the children's defense fund, first lady of arkansas and this country's secretary of state, it has always been about putting others first. that is a sharp contrast with donald trump. donald trump always puts himself first. he built a business career, in the words of his own campaign staffers, "off the backs of the little guy." he started his campaign was a speech where he called mexicans rapists and criminals, and he has pursued the discredited and outrageous lie that president obama was not born in the united states. it is painful to suggest we go back to think about these days

where an african-american could not be a citizen of the united states. i cannot imagine how governor pence can defend donald trump. elaine: you said donald trump's "thoughtful, compassionate, and steady." voters think he is a risky choice, and 65% think he does not have the right temperament to be president. why do so many americans think trump is simply to erratic? gov. pence: first and foremost, senator, u.n. hillary clinton would know a lot about an insult driven campaign. u.n. hillaryd -- clinton would know a lot about an insult driven campaign. of theentire portions world, particularly the middle east, spinning out of control in a situation we are watching hour-by-hour in syria today, a result of the failed for policy that hillary clinton helped lead

in this administration and create. the newly emboldened progression of russia, in ukraine or -- we will get you rush and just a moment. i want to get back -- gov. pence: elaine, thank you. sen. kaine: he praised vladimir putin as a great leader. elaine: the question we are at -- gov. pence: at a time of great challenge, in the life of this nation, where we have weakened place in the world, the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. to get your question about trustworthiness, donald trump has built a business through hard times and good times. he has brought an extraordinary business acumen, employed tens of thousands of people in this country, -- sen. kaine: and cost $1 billion

per year. gov. pence: there is a reason why people question the trustworthiness of hillary clinton, and that is because they are paying attention. she wasity is, secretary of state. she had the clinton foundation accepting contributions from foreign governments. sen. kaine: let me talk about this -- gov. pence: senator -- this is my time. sen. kaine: isn't this a discussion? clintonce: the foundation accepted foreign contributions from foreign governments and foreign governors while she was secretary of state. she had a private server -- sen. kaine: i get to weigh in. think itpence does not has gone so well, he's going to say it is everybody's -- gov. pence: do you? sen. kaine: when she was

secretary of state, osama bin laden was on life. -- was alive. itsia was expanding stockpile. under secretary clinton's leadership, she was partnered with the safety team that went after and revived the -- against bin laden. she worked a deal with the russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to nucleare the iranian weapons program without firing a shot. without firing a shot, and instead of 175,000 american troops deployed overseas, we now have 15,000. gov. pence: iraq has been overrun by isis. they failed to negotiate. hillary clinton has failed to renegotiate the status of forces agreement. sen. kaine: that is incorrect. elaine: i would like to move on.

sen. kaine: i would like to correct -- president bush said we would leave iraq at the end of 2011. iraq did not want our troops to stay. they would not give us the protective of our troops. if a nation where our troops are serving does not want us to stay, we are not going to stay -- gov. pence: it was a failure of the secretary of state -- elaine: there are a lot of people wondering about the economy. according to the nonpartisan committee, neither of your economic plans would reduce the growing $19 trillion gross national debt. in fact, your plans would add even more to it. both of you were governors who balanced the state budget. are you concerned that adding more to the debt could be disastrous for the country? governor pence. gov. pence: the fact that under this past administration of which hillary clinton was a

part, we have almost doubled the national debt. it is atrocious. i have very proud of the fact that i come from a state that works. the state of indiana has balanced budget. we cut taxes. i finished my turn with $2 billion in the bank. that is a little bit different from when senator kaine was governor here in virginia. he actually tried to raise taxes by about $4 billion. he left his estate about $2 billion in the hole. we cutte of indiana, unemployment in half. unemployment doubled when he was governor. he is a very fitting running mate for hillary clinton because in the wake of the season when american families are struggling in this economy, under the weight of higher taxes and coalcare and the war on and the settling avalanche of regulations coming out of this administration, hillary clinton and tim kaine want more of the same. it really is remarkable. they actually are advocating $1

trillion in tax increases. you tried to raise taxes in virginia and were unsuccessful. when trillion dollars in tax increases, more regulation, more -- $1 trillion in tax increases, more regulation, more of the same war on coal. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obamacare and make it a single-payer program. hillary clinton things obamacare is a good start. -- thinks obamacare is a good start. get healthlan to care working again by lowering taxes across the board for working families, small businesses, and family farms, ending the war on coal that is hurting jobs, repealing obamacare, lock stock, and repealing all of the executive orders obama has signed that are economic -- stifling economic growth in this country. on top of that, the trade deals

that have put the american worker first, you have got a prescription for real growth. when you get the economy growing, that is when you can deal with the national debt. when we get back to 3.5% to 4% growth, then we are going to have the resources to meet our nation's needs at home, abroad, and the ability to bring down the national that. sen. kaine: on the economy, there is a choice for the american electorate. do you want a "you are hired" president in hillary clinton or a "you are fired" president and donald trump? we have five components. first, we invest in manufacturing, infrastructure, and research into clean energy jobs for tomorrow. second, we invest in our workforce from pre-k education to great teachers, to debt free college, and tuition free college for families that make less than $125,000 per year. we from oak by raising the minimum wage so you cannot

work full-time and make under the poverty level. we promote small business growth to make it easier to start and grossmont businesses. we each grew up in small business families. my dad ran a welding shop. we have a tax plan that targets tax relief to middle-class individuals and small businesses and asked those at the top who benefits as we come out of recession to pay more. the trump plan is a different plan. it is a "you are fired" plan. both donald trump and mike pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage. mike pence, when he was in congress, voted against raising the minimum wage above five dollars -- $5.15. he has been a one-man bulwark. second, massive tax breaks for the very top, trillions of

dollars of tax breaks for people like donald trump. that is exactly what we did 10 years ago and it put our economy in the deepest recession since the 1930's. the trump plan would cost $3.5 million jobs. his tax plan helped him. if he ever met his promise and gave his tax returns to the american public like he said he would, we would see just how much his economic plan is really a trump-first plan. elaine: the new york times released part of mr. thompson 1995 tax returns and reported he could have avoided paying taxes forcome years. mr. trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little ties as legally possible. does that seem fair to you? i appreciate the fired"e hired," "you are

thing. what you all just heard out , $2 trillion taxes in more spending, more deficits, more debt, more government, and if you think that is all worth it, look at the other side of the table. the policies of this administration, which hillary clinton and senator kaine want to continue, have run this economy into a ditch. 50 million new jobs. gov. pence: there are people living in poverty today than the day that barack obama was hillary clinton at his side -- sen. kaine: it would improve dramatically between -- gov. pence: you can rollout the numbers and the sunnyside. people in scranton, no different. people in indiana, no different. in this economy, and people are struggling. the answer is not more taxes, --

sen. kaine: it is not to give away tax relief to folks at the top. i want to hear whether he will defend his running mate not releasing taxes. elaine: the question was about whether it seems fair to you that mr. trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little tax and legally possible. gov. pence: this is the difference between donald trump and hillary clinton and senator kaine. they are career public servant. donald trump is a businessman, not a career politician. he built a business. those tax returns that came out publicly this week showed that he faced pretty tough times 20 years ago. like virtually every other business, including the new york times, he used operating laws, a tax code that actually is designed to encourage opportune ownership -- encourage entrepreneurship. sen. kaine: but why won't he

released his tax returns? gov. pence: he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code just the way it was supposed to be used. sen. kaine: how do you know that? gov. pence: he has created a business with billions of dollars. sen. kaine: how do you know that? gov. pence: this whole riff about not paying taxes, donald has created tens of thousands of jobs, and has paid payroll -- sen. kaine: let me talk about that. elaine: senator, i am going to give you 30 seconds to respond. governor. sen. kaine: donald trump started this campaign in 2016. he said, "if i am running for president, i will absolutely release my tax returns." gov. pence: he said he will do it. sen. kaine: he said "that makes me smart." it is smart not to be for our military, for veterans, for teachers.

i guess all of us who do pay for those things, i guess were stupid. gov. pence: senator, do you -- sen. kaine: governor pence, governor pence had to give donald trump his tax returns to show he was qualified to be vice president. donald trump must if the american public his tax return to show he is qualified to be president. he is breaking his promise. gov. pence: i have to respond to this. donald trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure, which is what the law requires. that -- you you've can review that. elaine: gentlemen, i need to ask about social security. richard nixon release test returns under audit. elaine: people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. i will please ask you to wait until the other is finished. of social security.

in 18 years, when the social security trust funds run out of money, you will be 76. the community for responsible federal budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as $3500 per year. what would your -- $7,500 per year. sen. kaine: we are going to protect social security, one of the greatest programs the american government has ever done. it happened at a time when you worked your whole life raising your kids, working, being a ch, andleague coa retire into poverty. we have to keep it solvent and will keep it solvent. we will look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that. here is what hillary and i will not do, and i want to make this plane. a will never ever engage in risky scheme to privatize social security. donald trump wrote a book and

said social security is a ponzi scheme and privatization would begin for all of us. when congressman pence was an congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of social security, even after president bush stopped pushing for it, congressman pence kept pushing for it. we are going to stand up against that push to privatize social security and look for ways to keep it solvent going forward, focusing on the payroll tax. gov. pence: thank you, you lane there they go again. [laughter] we are going to meet obligations to our seniors. theaid we are going to meet obligations to medicare. this is what this campaign is really about, senator. this is the scare tactic that they roll out -- sen. kaine: you have a voting record, governor. gov. pence: look, there is a question that you asked -- sen. kaine: you want defender on voting record. gov. pence: