one of the women at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. cathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached, lost his license to practice law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who is also here tonight, and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago, i think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. [applause]

martha: please hold the applause. secretary clinton, you have two minutes. secretary clinton: secretary clinton, you have two minutes. first let me start by saying that so much of what he's said is not right but he gets to run his campaign any way he choosed. he gets to talk about our agenda, laying out the plans we have that we think can make a better life and a better country. that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama, advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [applause] [cheering] but if thisinton: were just about one video, maybe what he's saying tonight would be understandable. but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about

whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. but he never apologizes for anything to anyone. he never apologized to mr. and mrs. kahn, the gold star family whose son died in the line of duty in iraq, and donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. he never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, but donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were, quote, mexican. he never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching, and he never apologized for the racist lie that president obama was not born in the united states.

he owes the president an apology, he owes our country an apology, and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. mr. trump: well, you owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign, sidney blumenthal, he's another real winner that you have, he's the one that got this started along with your campaign manager. they were on television just two weeks ago, she was, saying exactly that. so you really owe him an apology. you're the one that sent the pictures around, your campaign sent the pictures around with president obama in a certain garb. that was long before i was ever involved. so you actually oh and apology. number two, michelle obama. i've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you and i got to see some of the most vicious commercials i've ever seen of michelle obama talking about you, hillary.

so you talk about friend? go back and take a look at those commercials. a race where you lost, fair and square, unlike the bernie sanders race where you won but not fair and square in my opinion. and all you have to do is take a look at wikileaks and see what they said about bernie sanders and see what deborah wasserman schultz had in mind because between her and super delegates, bernie sanders never had a chance. i was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. when you talk about apology, i think the thing you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 emails that you deleted and that you acid-washed and then the two boxes of emails and other things last week that were taken from an office and are now missing and i tell you what. i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it and i hate to say it, but if i win, i am

going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so many -- much deception, there has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the f.b.i. are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails -- and you get a subpoena, you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you would say, a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because you know what? people have been, their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you have done and it's a disgrace. honestly you ought to be ashamed of yourself. martha: secretary clinton -- secretary clinton: everything he

just said is absolutely false but i'm not surprised. in the first debate -- martha: and the audience needs to calm down here. secretary clinton: i told people it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time because i'd never get to talk about what we're going to do and how we're going to make lives better for people. once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. you can fact check him in real time. last time at the first debate, we had millions of people fact checking. i expect we'll have millions more fact checking because, you know, it's, it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. mr. trump: because you would be in jail. anderson: we want to remind the audience to please not talk out loud, please do not applaud. you are just wasting time. martha: secretary clinton, i do

want to follow up on the emails. directive -- with director komi saying that you're handling was extremely careless. they said there were 110 emails exchanged eight top secret and that it was possible hostile actors did gain access to those emails. you don't call that extremely careless? secretary clinton: i've said it before but i'll repeat because i want everyone to hear it. that was a mistake and i'll take responsibility for using a personal email account. obviously if i were to do it over again i would not the i'm not making excuses. it was a mistake and i'm very sorry about that. but i think it's also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. after a year-long investigation there is no evidence that anyone

hacked the server i was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. i take classified material very seriously and always have. when i was on the senate armed services committee i was privy to a lot of classified material. obviously as secretary of state, i had some of the most important secrets that we possess such as going after bin laden. so i am very committed to taking classified information seriously and as i said, there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands. martha: we're going to move on. mr. trump: and yet she didn't know the letter c on a document, right? she didn't even know what that letter meant? you know, it's amazing. i'm watching hillary go over

facts and she's going fact after fact and she's lying again because she said what she did with the emails was fine. you think it was fine to delete 33,000 emails? i don't think so. she said the 33,000 had to do with her daughter's wedding, number one and a yoga class. maybe we'll give three or four or five. 33,000 e-mails deleted and now she's saying there wasn't anything wrong. more importantly, that was after getting a subpoena. not before. she got it from the united states congress and i'll be honest, i am so disappointed in congressmen, including republicans, for allowing this to happen. our justice department where her husband goes onto the back of an airplane 39 minutes, talks to the attorney general, days before a ruling is going to be made on her case. but for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you --eting 39,000 e-mails

again, you should be ashamed of yourself. anderson: we have to move on. martha: we want to give the audience a chance here. mr. trump: let alone after getting a subpoena from the congress. secretary clinton: it's just not true -- mr. trump: you didn't delete them? 33,000? secretary clinton: well, we turned over 35,000. anderson: please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. secretary clinton: that's true. i didn't. i didn't in the first debate and thisgoing to try not to in debate. i want to get to the questions the people brought here to talk to tonight mr. trump: and get off this question. secretary clinton: ok, donald, i know you are into big diversion tonight, the way your campaign is exploding and people are leaving you. but let's get to the issues

people care about tonight. anderson: a question from ken. mr. trump: i'd like to know, anderson, why aren't you bring up the emails? anderson: they brought up the emails. mr. trump: no, it hasn't. it has not been finished at all. nice, one on three. >> accordable care act, known as obamacare, is not affordable. premiums have gone up, deductibles have gone up, co-pays have gone up, prescriptions have gone up and the coverage has gone down. what are will you do to bring the cost down and make coverage better? anderson: that goes to secretary clinton. you started out with the last one to the audience. secretary clinton: go ahead, donald. mr. trump: no, i'm a gentleman. go ahead, hillary. secretary clinton: i think

donald was about to say he's going to solve it by repealing and getting rid of the affordable care act. i agree, premiums have gotten too high, deductibles and prescription drug costs. i've laid out a series of ways to get costs down. but here is what i don't want people to forget, when we're talking about reining in the costs, which has to be the highest priority of the next president, when the affordable care act passed, it wasn't just that 20 million people got insurance that did not have it before and that was a good thing. i meet these people all the time and they tell me what having that insurance meant to them. the 70 million of us who get health care through our employers, got big benefits. number one, companies can't deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition. number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have

serious health problems. number three, women can't be charged more than men for our health insurance, which is the way it used to be before the affordable care act. number four, if you are under 26 and your parents have a policy, you can be on that policy until age 26, something that didn't happen before. so i want very much to save what works and is good about the affordable care act but we've got to get costs down, provide additional help to small businesses so they can afford to provide health insurance. but if we repeal it as donald has proposed and start over again, all of those benefits i just mentioned are lost to everybody, not just people who get their health insurance on the exchange. then we would have to start all over again. right now we're at 90% health insurance coverage. that's the highest we've ever been in our country. anderson: secretary clinton, the time is up. secretary clinton: i want to get

to 100% but keep costs down and quality up. anderson: mr. trump. two minutes. mr. trump: it is such a great question and the question i get almost more than anything else outside of defense. obamacare is a disaster. you know it. we know it. it's going up at numbers nobody has even worldwide. nobody has ever seen numbers like this or health care. it's only getting worse. it implodes by itself. their method of fixing it is to go back and ask congress for more and more money. right now we're almost $20 trillion dollars in debt. obamacare will never work. it's very, very bad health insurance, far too expensive and not only for the person who has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. it's going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly. we have to repeal it and replace it with something absolutely much less expensive and something that works where your

plan can actually be tailored. we have to get rid of the lines around the states, artificial lines, where we stop insurance companies from coming in and competing because president obama and whoever was working on it wants to leave those because that gives the insurance companies essentially monopolies. we want competition. you will have the finest health care plan there is. she wants to go to single payer, which would be a disaster. something similar to canada. if you ever noticed canadians, when they need a big operation or something happens, they come into the united states in many cases because their system is so slow, it's catastrophic in many ways. she wants to go to single payer , which means the government basically rules everything. hillary clinton has been after this for years. obamacare was the first step. it's a total disaster and not only are your rates going up by numbers that nobody's ever

believed, but your deductibles are going up so that unless you get hit by a truck, you are never going to be able to use it. it's a disastrous plan and has to be repealed and replaced. anderson: secretary clinton, let me follow up with you. obamacarend called the craziest thing in the world, with premiums getting double and they need to be cut in half, was he mistaken or telling the truth? secretary clinton: no, he clarified what he meant. we're in a situation in our country where if we were to start all over again we might come up with a different system. but we have an employer-based system. that's where the vast majority of people get their health care and the affordable care act was meant to try to fill the gap between people who were too poor and couldn't put together any resources to afford health care, namely people on medicaid.

obviously medicare, which is a single payer system and takes care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way, and all the people who were employed but were working and didn't have the money to afford insurance and didn't have an employer or anybody else to help them. that was the slot that the obamacare approach was to take. like i say, 20 million people now have health insurance. if we just rip it up and throw it away, what donald is not telling you is we just turn it back to the insurance companies and the way it used to be. that means the insurance companies get to do pretty much whatever they want, including saying look, i'm sorry, you have diabetes, cancer, your child has asthma, you may not be able to have insurance because you can't afford it. so let's fix what's broken about it but let's not throw at that way and give it all back to the insurance companies. anderson: mr. trump, let me -- mr. trump: one thing. first of all, everything is broken about it.

bernie sanders said hillary clinton has very bad judgment. this is a perfect example of it, trying to save obamacare. anderson: you have said you want to obamacare but also to make care accessible and fordable for -- affordable for people with preexisting conditions. what does that mean? mr. trump: i'll tell you what it means. you're going to have plans that are so good, because once we have competition in the insurance industry. once we break out the lines and allow the insurance industry to come. excuse me. president obama by keeping those boundary lines around each state, and it was almost gone until just right toward the end of obamacare. which, by the way, was a fraud. jonathan gruber, the architect of obamacare, he said it was a great lie, a big lie.

president obama said you keep your doctor, keep your plan. the whole thing was a fraud and doesn't work but when you get rid of those lines you keep competition, we will be able to keep preexisting and we will be able to help people that can't get, don't have money. we will have people protected. republicans feel this way and believe it or not, strongly this way. we're going to block grant into the states, into medicaid into the states so we will be able to take care of people without the necessary funds to take care of themselves. anderson: thank you, mr. trump. martha: now a question for both candidates. >> hi. there are 3.3 million muslims in the united states and i am one of them. you have mentioned working with muslim nations, but with islamophobia on the rise, how will you help people like me being labeled a

threat to the country after the election is over. martha: mr. trump, you are first. mr. trump: well, you are right about islamophobia, that's a problem. but we have to make sure, there is a problem. who we like it or not, there is a problem and we have to be sure that muslims come in and report when they see something going on. when they see hatred going on, they have to report it. as an example, in san bernadino, many people saw the bombs all over the apartment of the two people who killed and wounded so many people. muslims have to report the problems when they see them. there is always a reason for everything. if they don't do that, it's a very difficult situation for our country. because you look at orlando, and you look at san bernardino and at the world trade center, go outside, look at paris, that horrible -- these are radical islamic terrorists and she won't even mention the word nor will president obama. he won't use the term radical

islamic terrorism. now, to solve a problem, you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. she won't say the name and president obama won't say the name. but the name is there. it's radical islamic terror. and before you solve it you have to say the name. martha: secretary clinton? secretary clinton: well, thank you for asking your question and i've heard this question from a lot of muslim americans across our country. because unfortunately, there's been a lot of very divisive, dark things said about muslims , and even someone like captain khan, the young man who sacrificed himself defending our country in the united states army has been subject to attack by donald. i want to say just a couple of things. first, we've had muslims in america since george washington and we've had many successful muslims.

we just lost a particularly well known one with muhammad ali. my vision of america is an america where everyone has a place if you are willing to work hard, you do your part, you contribute to the community. that's what america is. that's what we want america to be for our children and our grandchildren. it's also very short-sighted and even dangerous to be engaging in the kind of demagogic rhetoric donald has about muslims. we need american muslims to be our eyes and ears on the front lines. i've worked and met with a lot of a different muslim groups and i've heard how important it is for them to feel they are wanted, included and part of our country, part of our homeland security and that's what i want to see. it's also important, i intend to defeat isis, to do so in a

coalition with majority muslim nations. right now a lot of those nations are hearing what donald says and wondering, why should we cooperate with the americans? this is a gift to isis and the terrorists. violent jihadists terrorist. we are not at war with islam and it is a mistake and plays into the hands of the terrorist to act as though we are. i want a country where citizens like you and your family are just as welcome as anyone else. martha: thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump, in december you said this -- donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have no choice. we have no choice. your running mate said this week that the muslim ban is no longer your position. is that correct? and if it is, was it a mistake to have a religious test?

mr. trump: first of all, captain khan is an american hero and if i were president at that time he would be alive today because unlike her, who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. so he would have been alive today. the muslim ban is something that in some form has morphed into extreme vetting from certain areas of the world. hillary clinton wants to allow -- ph into why did it mor that? no, answer the question. do you still -- mr. trump: you you interrupt me all the time. why don't you interrupt her? martha: will you please explain whether or not the muslim ban still stands? mr. trump: it's called extreme vetting. we are going to areas like syria where they're coming in by the tens of thousands because of

barack obama and hillary clinton wants to allow a 550% increase over obama. people are coming into our country, like we have no idea who they are, where they're from, what their feelings about our country is and she wants 550% more. this is going to be the great trojan horse of all time. we have enough problems in this country. i believe in building safe zones. i believe in having other people pay for them. as an example, the gulf states who are not carrying their weight but they have nothing but money, and take care of people. but i don't want to have with all the problems this country has and all of the problems you see going on, hundreds of thousands of people coming in from syria when we know nothing about them, we know nothing about their values and nothing about their love for our country. martha: secretary clinton, let me ask you about that because you have asked for an increase from 10,000 to 65,000 syrian

refugees. we know you want tougher vetting. that's not a perfect system so why take the risk of having those refugees come into the try -- country? secretary clinton: first of all i will not let anyone into our country that i think poses a risk to us, but there are a lot of refugees. women and children, think of that picture we all saw, that 4-year-old boy with the blood on his forehead because he's been bombed by russian and syrian air forces. there are children suffering in this catastrophic war largely i believe because of russian aggression. and we need to do our part. we by no means are carrying anywhere near the load that europe and others are. but we will have vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our professionals, our intelligence experts and others. but it is important for us as a

policy not to say as donald has said, we're going to ban people based on a religion. how do you do that? we are a country founded on religious freedom and liberty. how do we do what he has advocated without causing great distress within our own country? are we going to have religious tests when people fly into our country? and how do we expect to be able to implement those? so i thought that what he said was extremely unwise and even dangerous. and indeed you can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorists sites and what donald trump said about muslims is used to recruit fighters. because they want to create a war between us. and the final things i would say, this is the 10th or 12th time that he's denied being for the war in iraq.

we have it on tape. the entire press corps has looked at it. it's been debunked and that never stops him. mr. trump: has not been debunked. it has not then debunked. and you voted for it and you shouldn't have. martha: there's been lots of fact checking on that. i'd like to move to an on line question. mr. trump: she just went about 25 seconds over her time. martha: she did not. mr. trump: could you shall i just respond to this please? hillary clinton -- we have many criminals come into the country. when we want to send them back to their country and many cases they say, we don't want them. hillary clinton as secretary of state said we can't force them right back into their countries. let me tell you, i'm going to force them right back. and when bernie sanders says she

has bad judgment, she has really bad judgment. we are letting people into this country that are going to cause problems and crime like you have never seen. we are also letting drugs pour through our southern border at a record clip and it shouldn't be allowed to happen. --ice just endorsed me, the border patrol agents. 16,000 of them recently endorsed me and they did it because i understand the border. she doesn't. she wants amnesty for everybody. come right in, come on over. it's a horrible thing and she's got bad judgment and so bad that she should never be president of the united states. martha: mr. trump, i want to move on. this next question comes from the public. americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. this question involves wikileaks

release of purported excerpts of hillary clinton's paid speeches which she has not released. one line in particular in which you say, you need a public and private position on certain issues. a person asks is it ok for politicians to be two-faced, acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues? secretary clinton, your two minutes. secretary clinton: right. as i recall, that was something i said about abraham lincoln after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called "lincoln," it was a master class watching president lincoln get the congress to approve the 13th amendment. it was principled and strategic. and i was making the point that it is hard sometimes to get the

congress to do what you want to do and you have to keep working at it and yes, president lincoln was trying to convince some people, he used some arguments, convincing other people he used other arguments. that was a great, i thought, a great display of presidential leadership. but, you know, let's talk about what's really going on here martha, because our intelligence community just came out and said in the last few days that the kremlin, meaning putin and the russian government, are directing the attacks, the hacking on american accounts to influence our election. and wikileaks is part of that as are other sites where the russians hack information. we don't even know if it's accurate information. and then they put it out. we have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign

power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election, and believe me, they're not doing it to get me elected. they're doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump. now, maybe because he has praised putin. maybe because he says he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business and moscow, i don't know the reasons but we deserve answers, and we should demand donald release all of his tax returns so that people can say what are the entanglements and the financial relationship -- martha: we're going to get to that later. secretary clinton, you are out of time. mr. trump: so ridiculous. i think i should respond because it's so ridiculous. look, now she's blaming -- she got caught in a total lie. her papers went out to all her friends at the banks, goldman sachs and everybody else and said things, wikileaks just came out.

and she lied. now she's blaming the lie on the late, great abraham link on. -- abraham lincoln. [laughter] that's one i have -- ok. honest abe never lied. that's the big difference big, big difference. we're talking about some difference. but as far as other elements of what she's saying, i don't know putin. i think it would be great if we got along with russia because we could fight isis together as an example but i don't know putin. but i notice any time anything wrong happens they like to say it is the russians. they don't know, but they always blame russia because they think they're trying to tarnish me with russia. i know nothing about russia -- i know about russia but i don't know about the inner workings of russia. i have no business there, no loans from russia. i have a very, very great balance sheet, so great that when i did the old post office building on pennsylvania avenue,

the united states government chose me to do the old post office between the white house and congress. one of the primary things, in fact, the primary thing was balance sheet. but i have no loans with russia. you could go to the united states government and they would probably tell you that because they know my sheet very well in order to get that development i had to have. the taxes are a very simple thing. first of all, i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. many of her friends took bigger deductions. warren buffett took a massive deduction. many of the people that are giving her all this money so she can do many more commercials than me, gave her -- they took massive deductions. soon as my routine audit is finished, i'll be proud to release my returns. anderson: we have a question

from spencer. spencer? >> good evening. my question is what specific tax provisions would you change to ensure the wealthiest americans pay their fair share of taxes? mr. trump: one thing is for people like me, give up the carried interest provisions. i give up a lot when i run because i knock out the tax cut. she could have done this years ago. she was a united states senator. she complains that donald trump took advantage of the the tax code. well, why didn't you change it when you were a senator? the reason you didn't all your friends take the same deductions i do. you wouldn't change it because all these people given money to take negative ads on donald trump. i have heard hillary complaining about so many things over the

years, but she's been there 30 years. she's been doing this stuff. she never changes and she never will change. we're getting rid of carried interest provisions. i'm lowering taxes actually because i think it's so important for corporations because we have corporations leaving, massive and little ones. little ones can't form. we're getting rid of regulations, which goes hand in hand with lowering the taxes but we're bring the tax rate down from 35% to 15%. we are cutting taxes for the middle class and i'll tell you , we are cutting them bigly for -- big league for the middle class. hillary clinton is raising your taxes really high and what's that's going to do is a disaster for the country but she is raising your taxes, i'm lowering your taxes. that in itself is a big difference. we are going to be thriving again. if china has g.d.p. of 7% it's like a national catastrophe. we're down at 1% and that's like

no growth and we're going lower, in my opinion and a lot of it has to do with the fact our taxes are so high, just about the highest in the world and i'm bringing them down to one of the lower in the world and i think it's so important. one of the most important things we can do, but she is raising everybody's taxes massively. anderson: secretary clinton, you have two minutes. secretary clinton: well, everything you have heard just now from donald is not true. i'm sorry i have to keep saying this, but he lives in an alternative reality and it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he's going to do but i'll tell you what he's going to do. his plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they've ever had. more than the bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. donald always takes care of donald and people like donald

, and this would be a massive gift. and indeed the way that he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle class families. millions of middle class families. here's what i want to do. i have said nobody who makes less than $250,000 a year, and that's the vast majority of americans, as you know, will have their taxes raised because i think we have got to go where the money is. the money is with people who have taken advantage of every single break in the tax code. yes, when i was a senator i did vote to close corporate loopholes. i voted to close i think one of the loopholes he took advantage of when he claimed a billion dollar loss that enabled him to avoid paying taxes. i want to have a tax on people who are making $1 million. it's called the buffett rule. yes, warren buffett is the one who has gone out and said somebody like him should not be paying a lower tax rate than his secretary.

i want to have a surcharge on incomes over $5 million. we have to make up for lost time because i want to invest in you, invest in hard-working families and i think it's been unfortunate but it's happened that since the great recession the gains have all gone to the top. and we need to reverse that. people like donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, for our military, for health and education, that is wrong. and we're going to make sure that nobody, no corporation and no individual can get away without paying his fair share. anderson: thank you. mr. trump, i want to give you a chance to respond. last month on facebook the taxes were the biggest issue in this campaign. times" published three pages of your 1995 return

which showed a $990 million loss and it meant you could have use that'd to avoid paying -- did you use that to avoid paying federal income taxes? mr. trump: of course i do. so do most of her donors. i know most of her donors. her donors take massive write-offs. a lot of my right off was depreciations that hillary as a senator allowed and will always allow because the people that give her all this money want it. i know the tax code better than anyone who has run for president. and it is extremely complex. hillary clinton has friends that want all these provisions, including the carried interest provision, very important to wall street people but they really want the carried interest provision, which i believe hillary is leaving, very interesting why she's leaving it. but i will tell you number one i pay tremendous numbers of taxes.

i absolutely used it and so did warren buffett and george soros. many other people, i won't mention their names because they're rich but not famous so we won't make them famous. anderson: how many years you have avoid paying federal income taxes? mr. trump: i pay taxes. the writeoff is a wonderful thing. she's given it to us. if she hay problem, for 30 years she's been doing this. i say that all the time. she's been talking about health care, why didn't she do anything about it? she doesn't do anything about it, all talk and no action. and again, bernie sanders, it's really bad judgment. she has made bad judgment not only on taxes, bad judgments on libya, syria, on iraq. her and obama, whether you like it or not.

the way they got out of iraq, the vacuum they left, that's why isis formed in the first place. they started from that little area and now they're in 32 different nations. hillary. congratulations. great job. anderson: want you to be able to respond, secretary clinton. secretary clinton: well, here we go again. i've been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years, starting when i was a senator from new york but that's not the point here. mr. trump: why didn't you do it? anderson: allow her to respond. secretary clinton: because i was a senator with a republican president. [applause] mr. trump: oh, really? if you are an effective senator could have done it but you were not an effective senator. anderson: please allow her to respond. she didn't interrupt you. secretary clinton: you know, under our constitution, presidents have something called veto power. he has now said repeatedly 30 years this and 30 years that. so let me talk about my 30 years in public service. i'm very glad to do so. eight million kids every year

have health insurance because when i was first lady i worked with democrats and republicans to create the children's health program. hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be adopted because i worked to change our adoption and foster care system. after 9/11, i went to work with republican mayor, governor and president to rebuild new york and to get health care for our first responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger and gotten sickened by it. hundreds of thousands of national guard and reserve members have health care because of work that i did and children have safer medicines because i was able to pass a law that required the dosing to be more carefully done. when i was secretary of state i went around the world advocating for our country but also advocating for women's rights. to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a better life and negotiated a treaty

with russia to lower nuclear weapons. 400 pieces of legislation have my name on it as a sponsor or cosponsor when i was a senator for eight years. i worked very hard and was very proud to be reelected in new york by an even bigger margin than i was the first time. to find the common ground, because you have to be able to get along with people to get things done in washington and i've proven that i can and i'm proud of the 30 years. martha: were going to move on to syria -- mr. trump: she said a lot of things -- martha: no. mr. trump, we're going to move on. the heartbreaking video of a 4-year-old boy sitting in an ambulance after being pulled from the rubble after an air

strike in aleppo focused the world's attention on the horrors of war in syria with 130 million views on facebook alone. but there are much worse views coming out of aleppo, just days ago the state department called for a war crimes investigation of the syrian regime of bashar al-assad and russia for their bombardment of aleppo. this next question comes from social media through faith look. diane from pennsylvania asks if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? isn't it a lock like -- a lot like the holocaust when the united states waited too long? secretary clinton, we'll begin with you, two minutes. secretary clinton: the situation in syria is catastrophic and every day that goes by we see the results of the regime by assad in partnership with the

iranians on the ground and russians in the air bombarding places, in particular aleppo, where there are hundreds of 250,000s of, probably left. there is a determined effort by the russian air force to destroy aleppo in order to eliminate the last of the syrian rebels who are really holding out against the assad regime. russia hasn't paid any attention to isis. they're interested in keeping assad in power. so i when i was secretary of state advocated and i advocate today a no-fly zone and safe zones. we need some leverage with the russians because they're not going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution unless there is some leverage over them. and we have to work more closely with our partners and allies on the ground.

but i want to emphasize that what is at stake here is the ambitions and the aggressiveness of russia. russia has decided that it's all in in syria and they also have decided who they want to be president of the united states and it's not me. i've stood up to putin and others and i would do that as president. i think that wherever we can cooperate with russia, that's fine and i did. that's how we got a treaty reducing nuclear weapons. that's how we got the sanctions on iran that put a lid on the iranian nuclear program without firing a single shot. so i would go to the negotiating table with more leverage than we have now but i do support the effort to investigate for war crimes committed by the syrians and the russians and try to hold them accountable. martha: thank you secretary

clinton. mr. trump? mr. trump: she was there with the so-called line in the sand -- secretary clinton: no, i wasn't. hate to interrupt but i was gone. mr. trump: sadly, president obama probably listened to you. i don't think he would be any more. obama draws the line in the sand. it was laughed at all over the world what happened. that being said, she talks tough against russia but our nuclear program has fallen way behind and they've gone wild with their nuclear program. not good. our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen. russia is new in terms of nuclear. we're old, tired, exhausted in terms of nuclear. a very bad thing. now, she talks tough. she talks really tough against putin. and against assad. she talks in favor of the rebels. she doesn't even know who the rebels are. you know, every time we take

rebels, whether it is in iraq or anywhere else, we're arming people and you know what happens? they end up being worse on the -- than the people. look what happened in libya. it's a mess. and isis has a good chunk of their oil. you have probably heard that. it was a disaster because almost everything she has done in foreign policy has been a mistake and i disaster. -- a disaster. but if you look at russia and look at what they did this weekend, she wasn't there but possibly she's consulted. we sign a peace treaty. everyone is all excited but what russia did, with assad and by the way with iran, who you made very powerful with the dumbest deal i have ever seen in the history of deal making, the iran deal with the $1.7 million in cash, enough to fill up this room, but look at that deal. the iran now and russia are now against us. so she wants to fight.

she wants to fight for rebels. there is only one problem. you don't even know who the rebels are. martha: mr. trump, your two minutes is up. mr. trump: i don't like assad at all but russia is killing isis, assad is killing isis and iran and those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy. martha: mr. trump, let me repeat the question. [laughter] if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? i want to remind you what your running mate said. he said provocations by russia need to be met with american strength and if russia continues to be involved in air strikes along with the syrian government forces of assad, the united states should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the regime. mr. trump: ok. he and i haven't spoken and i disagree. you have to knock out isis.

right now, syria fighting isis. we have people who want to fight both at the same time. she and the deal made into a very powerful nation very quickly. i believe we have to get isis. we have to before we get too much more involved. she had a chance to do something with syria. martha: what do you think will happen if aleppo falls? mr. trump: i think it basically has fallen, ok? let me tell you something. take a look at mosul. the biggest problem i have with the stupidity of our foreign policy, we have mosul, they think a lot of the isis leaders are there. so we have announcements coming out of washington and iraq, we will be attacking mosul in three or four weeks and all these bad leaders from isis are leaving mosul.

why can't they do it quietly, do the attack, make it a sneak attack and after the attack is made, inform the american public that we've knocked out leaders, had a tremendous success? why do they have to say we're going to be attacking mosul in the next four to six weeks? how stupid is our country? martha: there are sometimes reasons the military does that. psychological warfare. mr. trump: i can't think of any. look, i have 200 generals and admirals who endorsed me. 21 congressional medal of honor recipients endorse me. we talk about it all the time. they understand, why can't they do something secretively where they go in and they knock out the leadership? why would these people stay there? i have been reading -- martha: tell me what your strategy is -- mr. trump: i've been reading about mosul that it's the harbor where, this is where they think

the isis leaders are. why would they be -- they are not staying there anymore. they're gone. everybody is talking about how iraq, which is us with our leadership, goes in to fight mosul. now, these 200 admirals and generals, they can't believe it. all i say is this, general patton and general douglas macarthur are spinning in their graves at the stupidity of what were doing in the middle east. secretary clinton, you talked before about arming rebels, and looks like that may be too late for aleppo. cease fires have failed. would you introduce the threat of u.s. military force beyond a no-fly zone against the assad regime to back up diplomacy? secretary clinton: i would not use american ground forces in syria. i think that would be a very serious mistake.

i don't think american troops should be holding territory , which is what they would have to do as an occupying force. i don't think that is a smart strategy. the i do think the use of special forces, which we're using, the use of enablers and trainers in iraq, which has had some positive effects, are very much in our interest, so i do support what is happening -- martha: what would you do differently than president obama is doing? secretary clinton: martha, i hope by the time i am president that we will have pushed isis out of iraq. i do think that there is a good chance we can take mosul and, you know, donald says he knows more about isis than the generals. no, he doesn't. there are a lot of very important planning going on and some of it is to signal to the sunnis in the area as well as

kurdish fighters that we all need to be in this and that takes preparation. i would go after baghdadi. i think the targeting of al qaeda leaders, i was involved in that, made a difference and that would help. i would also consider arming the kurds. they have been our best partners in syria as well as iraq. there is a lot of concern about that in some circles but i think they should have the equipment they need so that kurdish and arab fighters on the ground, who are the principal fighters on the ground are the way we take them out. mr. trump: she goes one minute over and you don't stop her. i go one second over and you stop me. martha: you had many -- anderson: question from mr. james carter.

>> my question is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the united states? mr. trump: absolutely. she calls our people deplorable. a large group. and irredeemable. i will be a president for all of our people and i'll be a president that will turn our inner cities around and will give strength to people and will give economics to people and will bring jobs back because nafta, signed by her husband, is perhaps the greatest disaster trade deal in the history of the world. not of this country. it stripped us of manufacturing jobs. we lost our jobs. we lost our money. we lost our plants. it is a disaster and now she wants to sign t.p.p. even though now she says, she's for it,

called it the gold standard. at the last debate she lied, it turned out she did say the gold standard. she lied, that she has lied about a lot of things. i would be a president for all of the people. african-americans, the inner cities. devastating what's happening to our inner cities. she's been talking about it for years. as usual, she talks about it, nothing happens. she doesn't get it done. same with the latino americans, the hispanic americans, the same exact thing. they talk. they don't get it done. you go into the inner cities and you see it's 45% poverty. african-americans now 45% poverty in the inner cities. the education is a disaster. jobs are essentially nonexistent. i mean it's, you know, and i've been saying at big speeches where i have 20,000 and 30,000 people, what do you have to

lose? it can't get any worse. she's been talking about the inner cities for 25 years. nothing is going to ever happen. let me tell you, if she's president of the united states, nothing is going to happen. just talk and all her friends, the taxes we were talking about, i would get it by osmosis. she's not doing me favors but by doing all the others favors, she's doing me favors. anderson: mr. trump -- mr. trump: malachi you, she is all talk and it doesn't get done. take a look at her senate run and upstate new york. it turned out to be a disaster. anderson: you have two minutes, secretary clinton. secretary clinton: well, 67% of the people voted to re-elect me when i ran for my second term and i was very proud and very humbled by that. mr. carter, i have tried my entire life to do what i can to support children and families. you know, right out of law school i went to work for the children's defense fund and donald talks a lot about, you know, the 30 years i've been in

public service. i'm proud of that. you know, i started off as a young lawyer working against discrimination against african-american children in schools and in the criminal justice system. i worked to make sure that kids with disabilities could get a public education, something that i care very much about. i have worked with latinos. one of my first jobs in politics was down in south texas registering latino citizens to be able to vote. so i have a deep devotion, to use your absolutely correct word, to making sure that every american feels like he or she has a place in this country. i think when you look at the letters i get, a lot of people are worried that maybe they wouldn't have a place in donald trump's america. they write me. one woman wrote me about her son , felix. she adopted him from ethiopia when he was a toddler.

he's 10 years old now. this is the only country he has ever known anti-listens to he listens to donald trump on tv and he said to his mother one day, will he send me back to ethiopia if he gets elected? you know, children listen to what is being said. to go back to the very first question, there is a lot of fear. in fact, teachers and parents are calling it the trump effect. bullying is up. a lot of people are feeling uneasy, a lot of kids are expressing their concerns. so first and foremost i will do everything i can to reach out to democrats, republicans, independents, people cross our country. if you don't vote for me i still want to be your president. i want to be the best president i can be for every american. mr. cooper: secretary clinton, your two minutes are up. i want to follow up on something

donald trump said. last month you said half his soup -- supporters are racist, sexist, and deploreables. how can you be the president if you have written off tens of millions of americans? sec. clinton: well, within hours i said i was sorry i said that because my argument is not with his supporters, it's with him and the hateful, divisive campaign he has run and the inciting of violence at his rallies and his very brutal kind of comments about not just women but all americans. all kinds of americans. and what he has said about african-americans and latinos, about muslims, about p.o.w.'s, about immigrants, about people with disabilities, he's never apologized for. and so i do think that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has said -- i'm proud of the campaign back to bernie sanders and i ran. we ran a campaign based on issues, not insults and he is

supporting me 100% because we talked about what we wanted to do. we might have had some -- mr. cooper: thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump: we have a divided nation. we have a very divided nation. you look at charlotte, you lookat baltimore, you at the violence taking place in the inner cities. chicago. you take a look at washington, d.c., we have an increase in murder within our cities much the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because people like earth. and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart. and when she said deplorables, she meant it and when she said irredeemable, they're irredeemable -- you didn't mention that but when she said irredeemable, that might have been even worse. hemerson: she said some of the

irredeemable. trump: she has got tremendous hatred. and this country cannot take another four years of barack obama. and that is what you are getting with her. mr. cooper: mr. trump, in 2008 you wrote in one of your books that the most important characteristic of a leader is displain. you sent out a series of tweets that said to check out a sex tape. mr. trump: no. it wasn't check out a sex tape. it was so see take a look -- by the way, when she said 3:00 in the morning, take a look at benghazi. she said who is going to take the call at 3:00 in the morning? guess what? she didn't answer it. because when ambassador stevens -- 600 times -- she said she was awake at 3:00 in the morning and i -- she sent a tweet out at 3:00. i won't even mention that. but she said she would be awake. but the famous thing, who is going to answer at 3:00 in the morning? guess what happened? ambassador stevens sent 600

requests for help and the only one she talked to was sidney blumenthal, who is her friend and not a good guy, by the way. so you know, she shouldn't be talking about that. now, tweeting happens to be a modern-day form of communication. you can like it or not like it. between facebook and twitter i have almost 25 million people. it's a very effective way of communication. you can put it down but it's a very effective form of communication. i'm not unproud of it to be honest with you. anderson: secretary clinton, does mr. trump have the discipline to be a good leader? secretary clinton: no. mr. trump: i'm shocked to hear that. [laughter] secretary clinton: it's not only my opinion, it's the again -- opinion of many others. national security experts, republican, former republican members of congress. but it's in part because those

of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job up close and know how difficult it is, and it is not just because i watched my husband take a $300 billion deficit around turn into billion surplus and incomes went up for everybody, everybody. african-american incomes went up 33%, and it is not just because i worked with george w. bush after 9/11 and i was very proud that when i told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, he said you've got it and he never wavered. he stuck with me and i have worked with and i admire president obama. he inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression. that was a terrible time for our country. mr. cooper: we have to move along. secretary clinton: millions of homes were lost and $13 trillion in family wealth wiped out. we are back on the right track. he would send us back into recession with his tax plan --

martha: secretary clinton, we are moving to an audience question. we're almost out of time. mr. trump: the lowest growth since 1929. martha: mr. trump, secretary clinton, we want to get to the audience. thank you very much, both of you. [laughter] martha: we have another audience question. beth miller has a question for both candidates. question: good evening. perhaps the most important aspect of this election is the supreme court justice. what would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a supreme court justice? martha: we begin with your two minutes, secretary clinton. sec. clinton: thank you. you are right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. i want to appoint supreme court justices who understand the way the world really works, who have real-life experience, who would -- who have not just been in a big law firm and maybe clerked for a judge and then gotten on the bench but maybe they tried more cases, they actually

understand what people are up against because i think the current court has gone in the wrong direction. so i would want to see the supreme court reverse citizens united and get dark, unaccountable money out of our politics. donald doesn't agree with that. i would like the supreme court to understand that voting rights are still a big problem in many parts of our country, that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. i want a supreme court that will stick with roe v. wade and a woman's right to choose and a supreme court that will stick with marriage equality. now, donald has put forth names of people he would consider and among those are people who would reverse roe v. wade and marriage equality. i think that would be a terrible mistake and would take us backwards. i want a supreme court that doesn't always side with corporate interests.

a supreme court that understands that because you are wealthy and can give more money to something doesn't mean you should have any more rights than anybody else so i have very clear views about what i want to see to change the balance on the supreme court and i regret deeply that the senate has not done its job and they have not permitted a vote on the person that president obama, a highly qualified person, they've not given him a vote to be able to have the full complement of nine supreme court justices. i think that was a dereliction of duty. i hope that they will see their way to doing it. but if i'm so fortunate enough is to be resident, i will immediately move to make sure that we feel that can't have nine justices to work on behalf of our people. martha: thank you, you are out of time. mr. trump? mr. trump: justice scalia, great judge, died recently and we've a vacancy.

i am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of justice scalia. i'm looking for judges and i have actually picked 20 of them so that people would see. highly respected. highly thought of and actually very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody. but people that will respect the constitution of the united states. and i think that this is so important, also the second amendment which is totally under siege by people like hillary clinton. they'll respect the second amendment and what is stands for, what it represents. so important to me. now, hillary mentioned something about contributions. just so you understand, so i will have in my race, more they -- more than $100 million of my money, meaning i'm not taking all this big money from all these different corporations like she's doing. i'm putting in more by the time it's finished, more than $100

million invested. pretty much self funded. we're raising money for the republican party and doing tremendously on the small donations, $61 average or so. i asked hillary why doesn't she -- she made $250 million by being in office. she used the power of her office to make a lot of money. why don't you put $10 million or $25 million or $30 million of your own money into your campaign? $30 million less for special interests that will tell you exactly what to do and it would be a nice sign for the american public. aren't you putting money in?

you have a lot of it because of the fact that you've been in office. you made a lot of it while you were secretary of state, actually. so why aren't you putting money into your own campaign? just curious? martha: thank you very much. we're going ton one more question -- secretary clinton: the question about the supreme court, i want to combickly say i respect the second amendment but i believe there should be comprehensive background checks and we should close the gun show loophole and -- close the online loophole. martha: we have one more question. mr. cooper: we have one more question from can about energy policy. ken? >> what steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs while at the same time remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil fuel power plant workers? mr. trump: such a great question. energy is under siege by the obama administration. under absolute siege. the epa, environmental protection agency, is killing these energy companies and foreign companies are now coming in, buying so many of our different plants and then rejiggering the plants so that they can take care of their oil. we are killing, absolutely killing our energy business in this country.

now, i'm all for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar, etc., but we need much more than wind and solar and you look at our miners. hillary clinton wants to put all the miners out of business. there is a thing called clean coal. it will last for 1,000 years in this country. now we have natural gas and so many other things because of technology. we have unbelievable. we have tremendous wealth right under our feet. i will bring our energy companies back. they will be able to come back. they will make money. they will pay off our tremendous budget deficits which are tremendous. but we are putting our energy companies out of business. we have to bring back our workers. you take a look at what is happening to steel and china dumping steel, which is killing

oursteel workers and steel companies. we have to guard our energy companies. we have to make it possible. the epa is so restrictive, they are putting our energy companies out of business. all you have to do is go to a great place like west virginia or ohio, which is phenomenal, or places like pennsylvania, and you see what they are doing to the people -- miners and others, in the energy business and it's a disgrace. it's an absolute disgrace. mr. cooper: secretary clinton, two minutes. sec. clinton: well, that was very interesting. first of all, china is illegally dumping steel in the united states and donald is buying it to build his buildings. anding american plants

business.ers out of that is something i fought against as a senator and i would have a trade prosecutor to make sure we don't get taken advantage of by china, on steel or anything else. you know, because it sounds like you are in the business or are aware of people in the business, you know that we are now for the first time ever energy - independent. we are not dependent on the middle east. but the middle east still controls a lot of the prices. so, the price of oil has been way down and that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies, right? we are, however, producing a lot of natural gas, which serves as a bridge to more renewable fuels. and, i think that is an important transition. we have got to remain energy-independent. it gives us much more power and freedom than to be worried about what goes on in the middle east. we have enough worries about what goes on over there than having to worry about that. so i have a comprehensive energy policy, but it really does include fighting climate change, because i think that is a serious problem. and i support moving toward more clean, renewable energy as

quickly as we can, because i think we can be the 21st century clean energy superpower and create millions of new jobs and businesses. but i also want to make sure we do not leave people behind. that is why i am the only candidate, from the very beginning of this campaign, who had a plan to help us revitalize coal country. because those coal miners and their fathers, and their grandfathers, they dug that coal out. their livesm lost and they were injured. lights on.rned the they powered our factories. i don't want to walk away from them. the price of coal is down worldwide. i hope you will go to

hillaryclinton.com and see the entire policy. martha: we have one more question and it comes from carl becker. question: good evening. i have one more question. regardless of the current rhetoric, would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another? [applause] martha: mr. trump, would you like to go first? sec. clinton: well, i certainly will. because i think that's a very fair and important question. look, i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted, and i think that says a lot about donald. i don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does, but i do respect that, and i think that is something that as a mother and a grandmother, is very

important to me. so, i believe that this election has become in part so conflict oriented, so intense because there's a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time. this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for -- not just four or eight years, but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home and around the world, from the supreme court to energy and so much else -- so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequential elections we have had. and that is why i have tried to put forth specific policies and plans, trying to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is i want to do as president. and that is why i hope people will check on that for themselves so they can see, yes, i have spent 30 years -- actually maybe a little more, working to help kids and

families in and i want to take all that to experience to the white house and to do that every single day. martha: mr. trump. mr. trump: well, i consider her statement about my children a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment. i'm very proud of my children. they have been wonderful, wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say this about hillary. she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she is a fighter. i disagree with much of what she is fighting for. i do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up and i consider that to be a very good trait. martha: thanks to both of you. [applause] mr. cooper: i want to thank both of the candidates. we want to thank the university here. this concludes the townhall commission.

thank you to everyone who watched. martha: please tune in on october 19 for the final presidential debate that will take place at the university of nevada, las vegas. good night everyone. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> we love you hillary!

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donald trump sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's debate is a town hall format which gives people a chance to directly ask candidates questions. we will ask follow-up questions but tonight really belongs to the people in this room and across the country who have submitted questions. martha: the people here were chosen by the gallup organization. they are all from the st. louis area and told gallup they have not committed to a candidate. they submitted questions and we saw them this morning for the first time. anderson and i and our team from abc and cnn are the only ones who have seen them. both candidates will have a chance, two minutes to answer online and audience questions. we hope to get as many questions as we can so we have asked the audience not to slow things down with any applause. except for now. ladies and gentlemen, the republican nominee for president, donald j. trump, and

the democratic nominee, hillary clinton. [applause] sec. clinton: hello. hello. hello. hello. anderson: thank you very much for being here. we're going to begin with a question from one of the members in our town hall. each of you will have two minutes to respond to this. secretary clinton, you won the coin toss and will go first. the first question from patrice. >> thank you and good evening. the last presidential debate could have been rated "ma" for mature audiences. per television parental guidelines.

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us.or the number one terrorist state, we've made them a strong country from a weak country three years ago. at all of the things i see and all the potential our country has. tremendous potential whether in business and trade badly.e're doing so we're going to bring back law order. just today a policeman was shot. two killed and that is happening on a weekly basis. we have to bring back respect to enforcement.

we need justice. but i want to do things that haven't been done including fix our inner cities and making things better for the african-american citizen who are so great and the latino americans, the hispanics. it's called make america great again. uconn thank you, mr. trump. the question was are you both modeling positive and appropriate behaviors for today's youth. we've received a lot of questions online about the tapes released friday. you described it it as locker room banter. you bragged about grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault the mr. trump: no, i don't think you understand what was sasmede this was locker room talk. i apologize to my family and to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. this is locker room talk and when you have a world where isis is chopping off heads, drowning people in steel caurgess where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world. and they look and see -- can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and see what's going on? yes, i'm very embarrassed by it, i hate it but it's locker room talk and one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgment and i will tell you i will take care of isis -- anderson: mr. trump -- mr. trump: and get on to much

more important and bigger things. anderson: just for the record are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss or grope women without consent? mr. trump: i have great respect for women. nobody has more -- anderson: so for the record you are saying you never about -- did that? mr. trump: frankly, you hear these things -- anderson: have you ever done -- mr. trump: i have tremendous respect for women and no, i have not. i will tell you i'm going to make the country safe, we will have borders which we don't have now. people are pouring into our country, and coming from the middle east and other places. we're going to make america safe again and great again and make america wealthy again because if you don't do that, it just -- it sounds harsh to say but we have to build up the wealth of our nation. right now other nations are take our jobs and wealth -- anderson: thank you, mr. trump. are secretary clinton, do you want to respond? secretary clinton: well, like everyone else i've spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours about what we heard and saw. with prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them, politics, policies,

principles, but i never questioned their fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women, what, and he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is. but i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is because we've seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women, we've seen him rate women on their appearance, rank them from

1 to 10, we've seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter, we saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe be in the harshest, most personal terms. so yes, this is who donald trump is. but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted imgrant, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.'s, muslims, and so many others. so this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer, is if this is not who we are. that's why, to go back to your question, i want to send a

message, we all should, to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. p and we will respect one another and we will work with one another and we will celebrate our diversity. these are very important values to me because this is the america that i know and love. and i can pledge to you tonight that this is the america that i will serve if i'm so fortunate enough to become your president. martha: and we want to get to some questions online -- mr. trump: am i allowed to respond to that? i assume i am. martha: yes. mr. trump: it's just words, folks. just words. those words i've been hearing them for many years. i heard them when they were running for senate in new york when hillary was going to bring back jobs to upstate new york

and she fafmentde i've heard them when hillary is constantly talking about the inner cities of our country, which are a disaster education-wise, job-wise, safety-wise, every way possible. i'm going to help the african-americans, i'm going to help the latinos, hispanics, i am going to help the inner cities. she's done a terrible job for the african-americans. she wants their vote and she does nothing. then she comes back four years later. we saw that first hand when she was the united states senator. she campaigned -- martha: mr. trump, mr. trunks i want to get to audience questions and online questions. mr. trump: so she's allowed to do that and i'm not allowed to respond? sounds fair. martha: this tape is generating intensin. in just 48 hours it's buccaneers the most did, single most talked-about story of the entire election on facebook, with millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network.

as we said a moment ago we do want to bring in questions from voters around the quite via social media and our first on this topic from ohio asked on facebook, trump says the campaign has changed him. when did that happen? mr. trump, let me add to that, when you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a different man or did that continue until just recently. mr. trump: as i told you, that was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was something that happened, if you look at bill clinton, mine are words and his were action. his was what he's done to women. there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. so you can say it any way you want to say it, bill clinton was

abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women who is a wonderful woman at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. cathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say.

but what president clinton did, he was impeached, lost his license to practice law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who is also here tonight, and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago, i think it's disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. \[applause] martha: please hold the applause. secretary clinton, you have two minutes. secretary clinton: secretary clinton, you have two minutes. first let me start by saying that so much of what he's said is not right but he gets to run his campaign any way he choosed. he gets to talk about our agenda, laying out the plans we have that we think can make a better life and a better country. that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama, advised us all. when they go low, you go high. \[applause]

but if this were just about one video, maybe what he's saying tonight would be understandable. but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. but he never apologizes for anything to anyone. he never apologized to mr. and mrs. kahn, the gold star family whose son died in the line of dutyney iraq, and donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. he never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, but donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were, quote, mexican. he never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching, and he never apologized for the racist lie that president obama was not born in the united states. he owes the president an

apology, he owes our country an apology, and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. mr. trump: well, you owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign, sidney blumenthal, he's another real winner that you have, he's the one that got this started along with your campaign manager. they were on television just two weeks ago, she was, saying exactly that. so you really owe him an apology. you're the one that sent the pictures around, your campaign sent the pictures around with president obama in a certain garb.

that was long before i was ever involved. so you actually owe an jifment number two, michelle obama. i've gotten to see the commercials that they did on you and i got to see some of the most vicious commercials i've ever seen of michelle obama talking but, hillary. so you talk about friend? go back and take a look at those commercials. a race where you lost, fair and square, unlike the bernie sanders race where you won but not fair and square in my opinion. and all you have to do is take a look at wikileaks and see what they said about bernie sanders and see what deborah wasserman schultz -- schultz had in mind because between her and super delegates, berner sanders never had a chance. i was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. when you talk about apologizing the thing you should be jigse for are the 33,000 emails that you deleted and that you acid-washed and then the two boxes of emails and other things last week that were taken from an office and are now missing and i'll tell you what, i think -- i didn't think i'd say this but i'm going to say it and i hate to say it but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney

general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so many deception, there has never been anything like it and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the f.b.i. are furious. there has never been anything like this where emails and you get eau subpoena, you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you would say, a very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it because you know what?

people have been, their lives have been destroyed for doing one fifth of what you have done and it's a disgrace. honestly you ought to be ashamed of yourself. martha: secretary clinton -- secretary clinton: everything he just said is absolutely false but i'm not surprised. in the first debate -- martha: and the audience needs -- secretary clinton: i told people it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time because i'd never get to talk about what we're going to do and how we're going to make lives better for people. once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. you can fact check him in real time. last time at the first teebt we had millions of people fact checking. i expect we'll have millions more fact checking because, you know, it's, it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the daw -- law in owe country. mr. trump: because you would be in jail. anderson: we want to remind the wannstedt -- audience to please

not talk out loud, please do not applaud. you are just wasting time. martha: secretary clinton, i do want to follow up on the emails. director comey said your handling was a mistake. he called your handling of classified information "extremely careless," they said there were 110 emails exchanged eight top secret and that it was possible hostile actors did gain access to those emails. you don't call that extremely careless? secretary clinton: i've said it before but i'll repeat because i want everyone to hear it. that was a mistake and i'll take responsibility for using a personal email account. obviously if i were to do it over again i would not the i'm not making excuses. it was a mistake and i'm very sorry about that. but i think it's also important to point out where there are

some misleading accusations from critics and others. after a year-long investigation there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server i was using and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. i take classified material very seriously and always have. when i was on the senate armed services committee i was privy to a lot of classified material. obviously as secretary of state, i had some of the most important secrets that we possess such as going after bin laden. so i am very committed to taking classified information seriously and as i said, there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands. martha: we're going to move on. mr. trump: and yet she didn't know the letter c on a document,

right? she didn't even know what that letter meant? you know, it's amazing. i'm watching hillary go over facts and she's going fact after fact and she's lying again because she said what she did with the emails was fine. you think it was fine to delete 33,000 emails? i don't think so. she said the 33,000 had to do with your daughter's wedding, number one and a yoga class. maybe we'll give three or four or five. 33,000 deleted and now she's saying there wasn't anything wrong. more importantly, that was after getting a subpoena. not about. she got it from the united states congress and i'll be honest, i am so disappointed in congressmen, including republicans, for allowing this to happen. our justice department where her husband goes onto the back of an airplane 39 minutes, talks to the attorney general, days before a ruling is going to be made on her case. but for you to say that there

was nothing wrong with you deleting 39,000 i mails are, again you should be ashamed of yourself. what eduardo: and this is after getting a subpoena from the united states congress -- anderson: we have to move on. martha: we want to give the audience a chance here. mr. trump: let alone after getting a subpoena from the congress. anderson: be you can move on but we want to move on -- secretary clinton: it's just not true -- mr. trump: you didn't delete them? 33,000? secretary clinton: well, we turned over -- anderson: please allow her to respond. she didn't talk while you talked. secretary clinton: that's true. i didn't. i didn't in the first debate and i'm going to try not to in 24 debate. i want to get to the questions the people brought here to talk to tonight. mr. trump: and get off this question. secretary clinton: ok, donald, i know you are into big diversion tonight, the way your campaign

is exploding and people are leaving you. but let's get to the issues people care about tonight. anderson: a question from ken. mr. trump: i'd like to know, anderson, why aren't you bring up the emails? anderson: they brought up the emails. mr. trump: no, it hasn't. not at all. nice, one on three. >> accordable care act, known as obamacare, is not affordable. premiums have gone up, co-pays have gown, prescriptions have gone up and the coverage has gone down. what are will you do to bring the cost down and make coverage better? anderson: that goes to secretary clinton. you started out with the last one to the audience. go ahead, donald. mr. trump: no, i'm a gentleman. go ahead, hillary. secretary clinton: i think

donnell -- donald was about to say he's going to solve it by repealing it gunned -- and getting rid of the affordable care act. i agree, premiums have gotten too high, deductibles and prescription drug costs. i've laid out a series of ways to get costs down. but what i don't want people to forget, when we're talking about reining in the costs, which has to be the highest priority of the next president, when the affordable care act passed it wasn't just that 20 million people got insurance that didn't have it b. and that was a good thing. i meet these people all the time and they tell me what having that insurance meant to think. agent doctor and their families but every one of he is -- us, the 70 million of us who get health care through our employers, got big benefits. number one, companies can't deny you coverage because of a

preexisting condition. number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have serious health problems 78 number three, women can't be charged more than men for our health insurance, which is the way it used to be before the affordable care act. number four, if you are under 26 and your parents have a loils -- policy, you can be on that policy until age 26, something that didn't happen about. so i want very much to save what works and it ssh is good about the affordable care act but we've got to get costs down, provide additional help to small businesses so they can afford to provide health insurance. but if we repeal it as donald has proposed and start over again all of those benefits i just mentioned are lost to everybody, not just people who get their health insurance on the exchange. then we would have to start all over again. right fow -- now we're at 90% health insurance coverage. that's the highest we've ever

been in our country. anderson: secretary clinton, the time is up. secretary clinton: want to get to 100% but keep costs down and quality up. anderson: mr. trump. two minutes. mr. trump: it's just -- such a great question and the question i get almost more than anything else outside of defense. obamacare is a disaster. you all know it. we know it. it's going up at numbers nobody has even worldwide. it's only getting worse. in 17 it implodes by itself. their method of fixing it is to go back and ask congress for more and more money. right now we're almost $20 trillion dollars in debt. obamacare will never work. it's very, very bad health insurance, far too expensive and not only for the person who has it, unbelievably expensive for our country.

it's going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly. we have to repeal it and replace it with something absolutely much less expensive and something that works where your plan can actually be tailored. we have to get rid of the lines around the states, artificial lines where we stop insurance companies from coming in and competing because president obama and whoever was working on it wants to leave those because that gives the insurance companies essentially monopolies. we want competition. you will have the finest health care plan there is. she wants to go to single payer, which would be a disaster. something similar to canada. if you ever noticed canadians, when they need a big operation or something happens, they come into the united states in many cases because their system is so slow, it's catastrophic in many ways. she wants to go to single payer which means the government basically rules everything. hillary clinton has been after this for years. obamacare was the first step. it's a total disaster and not only are your rates going up by numbers that nobody's ever believed, but your deductibles are going up so that unless you get hit by a truck, you are

never going to be able to use it. it's a disastrous plan and has to be repealed and replaced. anderson: secretary clinton, your husband called observe ack -- obamacare the craziest thing in the world, with premiums getting doubled and -- was he mistaken or telling the truth? secretary clinton: no, he clarified what he meant. we're in a situation in our country where if we were to start all over again we might come up with a different system -- but we have an employer-based system. that's where the vast majority of people get their health care and the affordable care act was meant to try to fill the gap between people who were too poor

and couldn't put together any resources to afford health care, namely people on medicaid, obviously medicare, which is a single payer system and takes care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way, and all the people who were employed but were work and didn't have the money to afford insurance and didn't have an employer or anybody else to help them. that was the slot that the obamacare approach was to take. like i say, 20 million people now have health insurance. if we just rip it up and throw it away, what donald is not telling you is we just turn it back to the insurance companies the way it used to be and that means the insurance companies get to do pretty much whatever they want, including saying look, i'm sorry, you have diabetes, cancer, your child has asthma, you may not be able to have insurance because you can't afford it. so let's fix what's broken about it but let's not throw at that way and give it all back to the insurance companies.

anderson: mr. trump, let me -- mr. trump: one thing. first of alling severing broken about it. bernie sanders said hillary clinton has very bad judgment. this is a perfect example of it, trying to save obamacare. anderson: you have aid you want to end obamacare but also to make care accessible and fordable for people with preexisting conditions. what does that mean? mr. trump: i'll tell you what it means. you're going to have plans that are so good, because once we have competition in the insurance industry -- >> going to have a mandate that americans have health insurance? mr. trump: excuse me. president obama by keeping those boundary lines around each state, and it was almost gone until just right toward the end of 69 passage of obamacare which by the way was a fraud, you know that.

jonathan gruber, the architect of obamacare, he said it was a great like, a big lie. president obama said you keep your doctor, keep your plan. the whole thing was a fraud and doesn't work but when you get rid of those lines you keep competition, we will be able to keep preexisting and we will be able to help people that can't get, don't have money. republicans feel this way and believe it or not, strongly this way we're going to block grant into the states, into medicaid into the states so we will be able to take care of people without the necessary funds to take care of themselves 78 anderson: thank you, mr. trump. martha: now a question for both candidates. >> hi. there are 3.3 million muslims in the united states and i am one of them. you have mentioned working with muslim nations but with islam phobia on the rise how will you help people like me deal with the skenss -- sequences -- skenses of being labeled a threat to the country after the

election is over. martha: mr. trump, you are first. mr. trump: well, you are right about islamo phobe yea and that's a shape. but we have to make sure, there is a problem. who we like it or not, there is a problem and we have to be sure that muslims come in and report when they see something going on. when they see hatred going on, they have to report it. as an example, in san bernardinoo, many people saw the bombs all over the aport -- apartment of the two people who killed and wounded so many people. muslims have to report the problems when they see them. there is always a reason for everything the if they don't do that, it's a very difficult situation for our country because you look at orlando, and you look at san bernardino and at the world trade center, go outside, look at paris, that horrible --

these are radical islamic terrorists and she won't even mention the word nor will president obama. he won't use the term radical islamic terrorism. now, to solve a problem, you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. she won't say the name and president obama won't say the name. but the name is there. it's radical islamic terror. and before you solve it you have to say the name. martha: secretary clinton? secretary clinton: well, thank you for asking your question and i've heard this question from a lot of muslim americans across our country. because unfortunately there's been a lot of very divisive, dark things said about muslims and even someone like captain khan, the young man who sacrificed himself defending our country in the united states army has been subject to attack by donald.

i want to say just a couple of things. first, we've had muslims in america since george washington and we've had many successful muslims. we just lost a particularly well known one with muhammad ali. my vision of america is an america where everyone has a place if you are willing to work hard, you do your part, you contribute to the community. that's what america is. that's what we want america to be for our children and our grandchildren. it's also very short-sighted and even dangerous to be engaging in the kind of dema goingic rhetoric donald has about muss minimums -- muslims. we need american muslims to be our eyes and ears on the front lines. i've worked and met with a lot of different groups and i've heard how important it is for them to feel they are wanted, included and part of our country, part of our homeland

security and that's what i want to see. it's also important, i intend to defeat isis, to do so in a coalition with majority muslim nations. right now a lot of those nations are hearing what donald says and wondering, why should we cooperate with the americans? this is a gift to isis and the terrorists. jile -- violent jihadists terrorist. western as war with islam and it is a mistake and plays into the hands of the terrorist to act as though we are. i want a country where citizens like you and your family are just as welcome as anyone else. martha: thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump, in december you said this -- donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have no choice. we have no choice.

your running mate said this week that the muslim ban is no longer your position. is that correct? and if it is, was it a mistake to have a religious test? is mr. trump: first of all, captain khan is an american hero and if i were president at that time he would be alive today because unlike her, who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. so he would have been alive today. the muslim ban is something that in some form has morphed into extreme vetting from certain areas of the wompltd hillary clinton wants to aslow -- martha: and why did it morech into that? no, answer the question. do you still -- mr. trump: you you interrupt me all the time. why don't you interrupt her? martha: will you please explain whether or not the muslim ban still stands? mr. trump: it's called extreme

vetting. we are going to areas like syria where they're coming in by the tens of thousands because of barack obama and hillary clinton wants to allow a 550% increase over obama, people are coming into our country, like we have no idea who they are, where they're from, what their feelings about our country is and she wants 550% more. this is going to be the great trojan horse of all time. we have enough problems in this country. i believe in building safe zones. i believe in having other people pay for them. as an example, the gulf states who are not carrying their weight but they have nothing but money and take care of people. but i don't want to have with all the problems this country has and all of the problems you see going on, hundreds of thousands of people coming in from syria when we know nothing about them, we know nothing about their values and nothing about their love for our country. martha: secretary clinton, let

me ask you about that because you have asked for an inkress from 10 to 65,000 syrian refugees. we know you want tougher vetting. that's not a perfect system so why take the risk of having those refugees come into the try -- country? secretary clinton: first of all i will not let anyone into our country that i think poses a risk to us but there are a lot of refugees, women and children, think of that picture we all saw, that 4-year-old boy with the blood on his forehead because he's been bombed bit russian and syrian air forces. there are children suffering in this catastrophic war largely i believe because of russian aggression. and we need to do our part. we by no means are carrying anywhere near the load that europe and others are. but we will have vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our intelligence experts and

others. but it is important for us as a policy not to say as donald has said we're going to ban people based on a religion. how do you do that? we are a country founded on religious freedom and little bit. how -- liberty. how do we do what he has advocated without causing great distress within our own country? are we going to have religious tested when people fly into our country? and how do we expect to be able to implement those? so i thought that what he said was extremely unwise and even dangerous. and indeed you can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorists sites and what donald trump said about muslims is used to recruit fighters. because they want to create a war between us. and the final things i would

say, this is the 10th or 12th time that he's denied being for the war in iraq. we have it on tape, the interspsh entire press corps has looked at it. it's been debunked and that never stops him. mr. trump: has not been debunked. and you voted for it and you shouldn't have. martha: there's been lots of fact checking on that. i'd like to move to an on line question. mr. trump: she just went about 235 seconds over her time. martha: she did not. mr. trump: could you shall i just respond to this please? hillary clinton -- we have many criminals come into the country. we want to accepted them back to their country and many cases they say we don't want them. hillary clinton as secretary of

state said we cant -- can't force them right back into their countries. let me tell you, i'm going to force them right back. and when bernie sanders says she has bad judgment, she has really bad judgment. she's letting people in, letting drugs pour through our southern border at a record clip and it shouldn't be allowed to happen. i c. -- i.c.e. just endorsed meche the border patrol agents. 16,000 of them recently endorsed me and they did it because i understand the border. she doesn't. she wants amnesty for everybody. come right in, come on over. it's a horrible thing and she's got bad judgment and so bad that she should never be president of the united states. martha: mr. trump, i want to move on. this comes from the public. to the online forum where

americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. this involves the wikileaks release of purported exi-n-t -- excerpts of hillary clinton's paid speeches which she has not released. one line in particular is you need a public and private position on certain issues. a person asks is it ok for politicians to be two-faced, acceptable for a politician to have a private stance on issues? secretary clinton, your two minutes. secretary clinton: right. well, as i recall that was something i said about abraham lincoln after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called "lincoln," it was a master class watching president lincoln get the congress to

approve the 13th amendment. it was principled and strategic. and i was make the point that it is hard sometimes to get the congress to do what you want to do and you have to keep work at it and yes, president lincoln was trying to convince some people, he used some arguments, convincing other people he used other arguments. that was a great, i thought, a great display of presidential leadership but you know, let's talk about what's really going on here martha because our intelligence community just came out and said in the last few days that the kremlin, meaning putin and the russian government, are directing the hacks shall the attacks on american accounts to influence our election and wiki leakeds is part of that as are other sites where the russians hack information. we don't even know if it's

accurate information. and then they put it out. we have never in the history of our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election and believe me, they're not doing it to get me elected. they're doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump. now, maybe because he has praised putin. maybe because he says he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business in moss coufment i don't know the reasons but we deserve answers and we should demand donald release all of his tax returns so that people can say what are the entanglements and the relationships -- martha: we're going to get to that later. secretary clinton, you are out of time. mr. trump: i think i should respond because it's so ridiculous. look, now she's blaming -- she got caught in a total lie. her papers went out to all her friends at the banks, goldman sachs and everybody else and

said things, wikileaks just came out and she lied and now she's blaming the lie on the late, great abraham link on. \[laughter] that's one i have -- ok. honest abe never lied. that's the big difference between lincoln and up. big, big difference. we're talking about some difference. but as far as other elements of what she's saying, i don't know putin. i think it would be great if we got along with russia because we could fight icy together as an example but i don't know putin. but i notice any time anything wrong happens they like to say it's the russianed. they don't know but they always blame russia because they think they're trying to tarnish me with russia. i know nothing about russia -- i know about russia but i don't know about the inner workings of russia. i have no business there, no loans from russia.

i have a very, very grease balance sheet, so great that when i did the old post office building on pennsylvania avenue, the united states golf chose me to do the old post office between the white house and congress. one of the primary things, in fact the primary thing was balance sheet. but i have no loans with russia. you could go to the united states government and they would probably tell you that because they know my sheet very well in order to get that development i had to have. the taxes are a very simple thing. first of all, i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxed. many of her friends took bigger deductions. warren buff -- buffett took a massive deduction. or os. many of the people give her all this money so she can do many more commercials than me, gave her -- they took massive deductions. soon as my routine audit is done, i'll be proud to release

my returns. anderson: we have a question from spencer moss. spencer? >> good evening. my question is what specific tax provisions would you change to make sure the wealthiest americans pay their fair shave taxes? dan: -- mr. trump: one thing is for people like me, give up the carried interest provisions. she could have done this years ago. she was a united states senator. she complains that donald trump took slang -- advantage nch the tax code. well, why didn't you change it when you were a senator? the reason you didn't all your friends take the same deductions i do. you wouldn't change it because

all these people given money to take negative ada on donald trump. i have heard hillary complaining about so many things over the years, but she's been there 30 years. she never changes it and she never will change. we're getting rid of carried interest provisions. i'm lowering taxes actually because i think it's so important for corporations because we have corporations leaving, massive and little ones. little ones can't form. we're getting rid of regulations, which goes hand in hand with lowering the taxes but we're bring the tax rate down from 35% to 15%. we are cutting taxes for the middle class and i'll tell you we are cutting them bigly for the middle class. hillary clinton is raising your taxed really high and what's that's going to do is a disaster for the country but she is raising your taxes, i'm lowering your taxes. that is in isself a big difference. we are going to be thriving

again. if china has g.d.p. of 7% it's like a national catastrophe. we're down at 1% and that's like no growth and we're going lower, in my opinion and a lot of it has to do with the fact our taxes are so high, just about the highest in the world and i'm bringing them down to one of the lower in the world and i think it's so important. one of the most important things we can do but sheps raising everybody's taxes massively the anderson: secretary clinton, you have two minutes. secretary clinton: well, everything you have heard just now from donald is not true. i'm sorry i have to keep saying this but he lives in an alternative reality and it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he's going to do but i'll tell you what he's going to do. his plan will give the wealthy

and corporations the biggest tax cuts they've ever had. more than the bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. donald -- donald always takes care of donald and people like donald and this would be a massive gifment and indeed the way that he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle class families. millions of middle class families. here's what i want to do. i have said nobody who makes less than $250,000 a year, and that's the vast majority of americans, as you know, will have their taxes raised because i think we've the good to go where the money is. the money is with people who have taken advantage of every single break in the tax code. yes, when i was a senator i did vote to close corporate loopholes. i voted to close i think one of the loopholes he took advantage of when he claimed a

billion-dollar loss that a -- enabled him to avoid paying taxes. i want to have a tax on people who are making $1 million. it's called the buffett rule. warren buffest is the one who has gone out and said somebody like him should not be paying a lower tax rate than his secretary. we have to make up for lost time because i want to invest in you, invest in hard-working families and i think it's been unfortunate but it's happened that since the great recession the gains have all gone to the to. and we need to reverse that. people like donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, for our military, for health and education, that is wrong. and we're going to make sure that nobody, no corporation and no individual can get away without paying his fair share. anderson: thank you. mr. trump i want to ginch a chance to respond. i want to tell our viewers what she's investor -- referring to. last month on facebook the taxes were the biggest issue. the "new york times" published

three pavenlgs your return which showed a $990 million loss and it meant you could have use that'd to avoid paying -- did you use that to avoid paying federal income taxes? darryl: -- mr. trump: of course i do. so do many of her doanors. a lot of my writeoff was depreciations that hillary as a senator allowed and will always allow because the people that give her all this money want it. hillary clinton, the tax code is extremely complex. hillary clinton has friends that want all these provisions, including the carried interest provision, very important to wall street people but they really want the carried interest provision which i believe hillary is leaving, very interesting why she's leaving it. but i will tell you number one i pay tremendous numbers of taxes.

i absolutely use to do so did warren buffest george soros and many of the other people that shirl getting money from. i won't mention their names because they're rich but not famous so we won't make them famous. anderson: can you say monmouth -- how many years you have avoid paying federal income taxes? mr. trump: no. p but i pay taxes. the writeoff is a wonderful thing. she's given it to us. if she hay problem, for 30 years she's been doing this. i say that all the time. she's been talk about health care, why didn't she do anything about it? she doesn't do anything about anything 0 other than taufpblgt with her ats all talk, no action. and again, bernie sanders, it's really bad judgment. she has made bad judgment not only on taxes, bad judgments on

libya, syria, on iraq. her and observe ama, whether you like it or not. the way they got out of iraq, the vacuum they left that's why isis formed in the first place. they started from that little area and now they're in 32 different nations. hillary. congratulations. great job. anderson: want you to be able to respond, secretary clinton. secretary clinton: well, here we go again. i've been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years, starting when i was a senator from new york but that's not the point here. mr. trump: why didn't you do it? secretary clinton: because i was a senator with a republican president. secretary clinton: -- mr. trump: oh, really? if you were an effective eisenhower could have done it but you were not an effective senator. anderson: please allow her to respond. she didn't interrupt you. secretary clinton: you know, under our constitution, presidents have something called veto power. he has now said repeatedly 30 years this and 30 years that.

so let me talk about my 30 years in public service. i'm very glad to do so. eight million kids every year have health insurance because when i was first lady i ask worked with democrats and republicans to create the children's health program. hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be adopted because i worked to change our adoption and foster care system. after 9/11 i went to work with republican mayor, governor and president to rebuild new york and to get health care for our first responders who were suffering because they had run toward danger and gotten sickened by it. hundreds of thousands of national guard and reserve members have health care because of work that i did and children have safer medicines because i was able to pass a law that required the dosing to be more carefully done. when i was secretary of state i went around the world advocating for our country but also vobalingting for women's rights.

to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a better life and negotiated a treaty with rurving -- russia to lower nuclear weapons. 400 pieces of legislation have my name on it as a sponsor or co-responseor when i was a senator for eight years. i worked very hard and wats very proud to be re-elected by an even bigger margin in narc -- new york than i was the first time. i tyke -- you have to be able to get along with people to get things done in waushtd and i've proven that i can and i'm proud of the 30 years. martha: we're going to move ton syria -- mr. trump: she said a lot of things -- martha: no. tr -- mr. trump, we're going to move on. the heartbreaking view of a

4-year-old boy sitting in an ambulance after being pulled from an air strike in aleppo focused the world's attention on the horrors of war in syria with 130 million views on facebook alone but there are much worse views coming out of aleppo, just days ago the state department called for a war crimes vesks the syrian regime of bashar al-assad and russia for their bombardment of aleppo. this next comes from associate media through foofpblgt diane from pennsylvania asks if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo?

isn't it a lot like the when the united states waited too long? beginary clinton, we'll with you. two minutes. secretary clinton: the situation in syria is catastrophic and every day that goes by we see the results of the regime by assad in partnership with the iranians on the ground and russians in the air bomb barding places, in particular aleppo where there thousands of people, probably 250,000 left and there is a determined effort by the russian air force to destroy aleppo in order to eliminate the last of the syrian rebels who are really holding out against the assad

regime. russia hasn't paid any attention to isis. they're interested in keeping assad in power. so i when i was secretary of a no-fly zoneated and safe zones. we need some leverage with the russians because they're not going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution unless there is some leverage over them. and we have to work more closely with our partners and allies on the ground. but i want to emphasize that what is at stake sheer the ambitions and the aggressiveness of russia. russia has stided that it's all in in syria and they also have decide who they want to be president of the united states and it's not me. i've stood up to putin and others and i would do that as president. wherever we can cooperate with russia, that's fine and i did. that's how we got the sanctions on iran that put a lid on the iranian nuclear program without firing a single shot so i would go to the negotiating table with more leverage than we have now but i do support the effort to investigate for war crimes

committed by the syrians and the russians and try to hold them accountable. martha: thank you secretary clinton the mr. trump? mr. trump: she was there with the so-called line in the sand -- secretary clinton: no, i wasn't. hate to interrupt but i was gone. at some point we need to do fact -checking. mr. trump: sadly, president obama probably listened to you. i don't think he would be any more. the line in the sand was laughed at all over the world with what happened. that being said, she talks tough against russia but our nuclear program has fallen way behind and they've gone wild with their nuclear program. not good. our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen. russia is new in terms of nuclear. we're old, tired, exhausted in terms of nuclear. a very bad thing. now, she talks tough. she talks really tough against putin. and against assad. she talks in favor of the rebels. she doesn't even know who the

rebels are. you know, every time we take rep -- rebels, whether it's in a ,ing and, iraq or anywhere else we are army people and you know what happens? they end up being worse than the people. look what happened in libya. it's a mess. and isis has a good chunk of their oil. you have probably heard that. it was a disaster because almost everything she's demun foreign policy has bain mistake and i disaster. but if you look at russia and look at what they did this week. where i agree, she wasn't there but possibly she's consulted. we sign a peace treaty. everyone is all excited but what russia did, with assad and by the way with iran, who you made very powerful with the dumbest deal i have ever seen in the history of deal making, the iran deal with the $1.7 million in cash, enough to fill up this room, but look at that deal.

iran now and russia are now against us. so she wants to fight. she wants to fight for rebels. one problem. you do not even know who the rebels are. martha: mr. trump, your two minutes is up. mr. trump: i don't like assad at all but russia is killing isis, assad is killing isis and iran and those three have now lined up because of our weak foreign policy. martha: mr. trump, let me repeat the question. if you were president, what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? i want to remind you what your running mate said. he said, provocations by russia need to be met with american strength and if russia continues to be involved in air strikes along with the syrian government forces of the side, american forces should be prepared to use

military force to strike the military targets of the regime. mr. trump: ok. he and i haven't spoken and i disagree. i disagree. you have to knock out isis. we have people who want to fight both at the same time by -- but syria is not any longer sir -- syria is no longer syria. it's iran, which she and the deal made into a very powerful nation very quickly we have to get isis. we have to worry about isis before we get too much more involved. she had a chance to do something with syria. that because the line. martha: what do you think will happen if aleppo falls? mr. trump: i think it basically has fallen, ok? let me tell you something. take a look at mosul. the biggest problem i have with the stupidity of our foreign policy, we have mosul, they think a lot of the isis leaders are there. so we have announcements coming

out of washington and coming out of a rack. -- coming out of iraq. we will be attacking mosul in three or four weeks and all these bad leaders from isis are leaving mosul. why can't they do it quietly, make it a sneak attack and after the attack is made inform the american public that we've knocked out leaders, had a tremendous success? people leave. why do they have to say we are going to be attacking mosul in the next four to six weeks? how stupid our country? martha: there are sometimes reasons the military does that. psychological warfare. it might be to help the civilians out. look, i have 200 generals and admirals who endorsed me. 21 congressional medal of honor recipients endorse me. we talk about it all the time. they understand, why can't they do something secretively where they go in and they knock out the leadership? why would these people stay there?

i have been reading now four weeks -- martha: tell me what your strategy is -- mr. trump: i've been reading about mosul that it's the harbor where, this is where they think the isis leaders are. why would be -- they be staying -- they are not staying there anymore. everybody is talking about how iraq, which is us with our leadership, goes in to fight mosul. now, with these 200 admirals and generals, they can't believe it. all i say is this, general patton and general douglas macarthur are spinning in their graves with the stupidity of what we are doing in the middle east. martha: secretary clinton, you talk about arming ebb rebels but it looks like that may be too late for aleppo. cease fires have failed. would you introduce the threat of u.s. military force beyond a no-fly zone against the assad regime to back up diplomacy? secretary clinton: i would not use american ground forces in

syria. i think that would be a very serious mistake. i don't think american troops should be holding territory which is what they would have to do as an occupying force. i don't think that is a smart strategy. the i do think the use of special forces, which we're using, the use of enablers and trainers in iraq, which has had some positive effects, are very much in our interests so i do support what is happening. martha: what would you do differently than president obama is doing? secretary clinton: martha, i hope by the time i am president that we will have pushed isis out of iraq. i do think that there is a good chance we can take mosul and, you know, donald says he knows more about isis than the generals. no, he doesn't. there are a lot of very important planning going on and some of it is to signal to the

sunnis in the area as well as kurdish fighters that we all need to be in this and that takes a lot of planning and preparation. i would go after baghdadi. i think the targeting made a difference and that would help. i would also consider arming the kurds. partners been our best in syria as well as iraq. and i know there is a lot of concern about that in some circles but i think they should have the equipment they need so the kurdish fighters on the ground are the principal way that's we take rock after pushing isis out of iraq will -- writers on the ground are the principal way that we

aqqa after. mr. trump: she goes one minute over and you don't stop her. i go one second over and you stop me. martha: you had many -- anderson: question from mr. james carter. >> my question is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the united states? mr. cooper: that question goes to mr. trump. mr. trump: absolutely. she calls our people deplorable. a large group. and irredeemable. i will be a president for all of our people and i'll be a president that will turn our inner cities around and will give strength to people and will give economics to people and will bring jobs back because nafta, signed by her husband, is perhaps the greatest disaster trade deal in the history of the world. not of this country. it stripped us of manufacturing jobs. we lost our jobs. we lost our money.

we lost our plants. it is a disaster and now she wants to sign tpp, even though now she says, she's for it, called it the gold standard. at the last debate she lied, said she didn't say it's the gold standard. they actually said she lied. and she lied. ok? she lied about a lot of things. i would be a president for all of the people. african-americans, the inner cities. devastating what's happening to our inner cities. she's been talking about it for years. as usual, she talks about it, nothing happens. she doesn't get it done. same with the latino americans, the hispanic americans, the same exact thing. they talk. they don't get it done. you go into the inner cities and you see it's 45% poverty. african-americans now 45% poverty in the inner cities. the education is a disaster. jobs are essentially nonexistent. i mean it's, you know, and i've

been saying it, big speeches where i have 20,000 and 30,000 people, what do you have to lose? it can't get any worse. and she's been talking about the inner cities for 25 years. nothing is going to ever happen. let me tell you, if she's president of the united states, nothing is going to happen. it is just going to be talk. and all of her friends, the taxes we were just talking about , i would get it by osmosis. she's not doing me favors but by doing all the others favors, she's doing me favors. but i will tell you she's all she has, it doesn't get done. take a look at her senate run and upstate new york. it turned out to be a disaster. mr. cooper: you have two minutes, secretary clinton. secretary clinton: well, 67% of the people voted to re-elect me when i ran for my second term and i was very proud and very humbled by that. mr. carter, i have tried my

entire life to do what i can to support children and families. you know, right out of law school i went to work for the children's defense fund and donald talks a lot about, you know, the 30 years i've been in public service. i'm proud of that. you know, i started off as a young lawyer working against discrimination against african-american children in schools and in the criminal justice system. i worked to make sure that kids with disabilities could get a public education, something that i care very much about. i have worked with latinos. one of my first jobs in politics was down in south texas registering latino citizens to be able to vote. so i have a deep devotion, to use your absolutely correct word, to making sure that every american feels like he or she has a place in our country. when you look at the letters i get, a lot of people are worried that maybe they wouldn't have a place in donald trump's america. they write me.

one woman wrote me about her son felix. she adopted him from ethiopia when he was a toddler. he's 10-years-old now. this is the only country he has ever known anti-listens to donald trump on tv and he said to his mother one day, will he send me back to ethiopia if he gets elected? you know, children listen to what is being said. to go back to the very first question, there is a lot of fear. in fact, teachers and parents are calling it the trump effect. bullying is up. a lot of people are feeling uneasy, a lot of kids are expressing their concerns. so first and foremost i will do everything i can to reach out to democrats, republicans, independents, people cross our country. if you don't vote for me i still want to be your president. i want to be the best president i can be for every american. mr. cooper: secretary clinton, your two minutes are up.

i want to follow up on something donald trump said. last month you said half his soup -- supporters are racist, sexist, and deploreables. how can you be the president if you have written off tens of millions of americans? clinton: well, within hours i said i was sorry i said that because my argument is not with his supporters, it's with him and the hateful, divisive campaign he has run and the inciting of violence at his rallies and his very brutal kind of comments about not just women but all americans. all kinds of americans. and what he has said about african-americans and latinos, about muslims, about p.o.w.'s, about immigrants, about people with disabilities, he's never apologized for. and so i do think that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has said -- i'm proud of the

campaign back to bernie sanders in diagram. bernie sanders and i ran. we ran a campaign based on issues, not insults and he is supporting me 100% because we talked about what we wanted to do. we might have had some -- mr. cooper: thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump: we have a divided nation. we have a very divided nation. you look at charlotte, boorges the violence taking place in the inner cities. chicago. you take a look at washington, d.c., we have an increase in murder within our cities much the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because people like earth. and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart. and when she said deplorables, she meant it and when she said irredeemable, they're irredeemable -- you didn't mention that but when she said irredeemable, that might have been even worse.

she has got tremendous hatred. and this country cannot take another four years of barack obama. and that is what you are getting with her. cooper: mr. trump, in 2008 you wrote in one of your books that the most important characteristic of a leader is displain. you sent out a series of tweets that said to check out a sex tape. mr. trump: no. it wasn't check out a sex tape. it was so see take a look -- by the way, when she said 3:00 in the morning, take a look at benghazi. she said who is going to take the call at 3:00 in the morning? guess what? she didn't answer it. because when ambassador stevens -- 600 times -- she said she was awake at 3:00 in the morning and i -- she sent a tweet out at 3:00. i won't even mention that.

but she said she would be awake. but the famous thing, who is going to answer at 3:00 in the morning? guess what happened? ambassador stevens sent 600 requests for help and the only one she talked to was sidney blumenthal, who is her friend and not a good guy, writing way. way. the so you know, she shouldn't be talking about that. now, tweeting happens to be a modern-day form of communication. you can like it or not like it. between facebook and twitter i have almost 25 million people. it's a very effective way of communication. you can put it down but it's a very effective form be communication. i'm not unproud of it to be honest with you. anderson: secretary clinton, does mr. trump have the discipline to be a good leader? secretary clinton: no. mr. trump: i'm shocked to hear that. [laughter] secretary clinton: it's not only my opinion, it's the again -- opinion of many others. national security experts, republican, former republican members of congress. but it's in part because those of us who have had the great

privilege of seeing this job up close and know how difficult it is, and it is not just because i watched my husband take a $300 billion deficit around turn into a 200 million dollars surplus and incomes went up for everybody, everybody. african-american incomes went up 33%, and it is not just because i worked with george w. bush after 9/11 and i was very proud that when i told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, he said you've got it and he never wavered. he stuck with me and i have worked with and i admire president obama. he inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression. that was a terrible time for our country. mr. cooper: we have to move along. secretary clinton: millions of homes were lost and $13 trillion in family wealth wiped out. we are back on the right track. he would send us back into recession with his tax plan --

martha: secretary clinton, we are moving to an audience question. we're almost out of time. mr. trump: the lowest growth since 1929. martha: mr. trump, secretary clinton, we want to get to the audience. thank you very much, both of you. [laughter] martha: we have another audience question. beth miller has a question for both candidates. question: good evening. perhaps the most important aspect of this election is the supreme court justice. what would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a supreme court justice? martha: we begin with your two minutes, secretary clinton. sec. clinton: thank you. you are right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. i want to appoint supreme court justices who understand the way the world really works, who have real-life experience, who would

-- who have not just been in a big law firm and maybe clerked for a judge and then gotten on the bench but maybe they tried more cases, they actually understand what people are up against because i think the current court has gone in the wrong direction. so i would want to see the supreme court reverse citizens united and get dark, unaccountable money out of our politics. donald doesn't agree with that. i would like the supreme court to understand that voting rights are still a big problem in many parts of our country, that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. i want a supreme court that will stick with roe v. wade and a woman's right to choose and a supreme court that will stick with marriage equality. now, donald has put forth names of people he would consider and among those are people who would reverse roe v. wade and marriage equality. i think that would be a terrible

mistake and would take us backwards. i want a supreme court that doesn't always side with corporate interests. a supreme court that understands that because you are wealthy and can give more money to something doesn't mean you should have any more rights than anybody else so i have very clear views about what i want to see to change the balance on the supreme court and i regret deeply that the senate has not done its job and they have not permitted a vote on the person that president obama, a highly qualified person, they've not given him a vote to be able to have the full complement of nine supreme court justices. i think that was a dereliction of duty. i hope that they will see their way to doing it. but if i'm so fortunate enough is to be resident, i will sureiately moved to make that we feel that can't have nine justices to work on behalf of our people.

martha: thank you, you are out of time. mr. trump? mr. trump: justice scalia, great judge, died recently and we've a vacancy. i am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of justice scalia. i'm looking for judges and i have actually picked 20 of them so that people would see. highly respected. highly thought of and actually very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody. but people that will respect the constitution of the united states. and i think that this is so important, also the second amendment which is totally under siege by people like hillary clinton. they'll respect the second amendment and what is stands for, what it represents. so important to me. now hillary mentioned something , about contributions. just so you understand, so i have in my race, more they

than $100 million of my money, meaning i'm not taking all this big money from all these different corporations like she's doing. i'm putting in more by the time it's finished, more than $100 million invested. pretty much self funded. we're raising money for the republican party and doing tremendously on the small donations, $61 average or so. i asked hillary why doesn't she -- she made $250 million by being in office. she used the power of her office to make a lot of money. $10 million orut $25 million or $30 million of your own money into your campaign? $30 million less for special interests that will tell you exactly what to do and it would be a nice sign for the american public. you have a lot of it because of the fact that you've been in office. you made a lot of it while you were secretary of state , actually. so why aren't you putting money into your own campaign? just curious? martha: thank you very much. we're going ton one more question --

secretary clinton: the question about the supreme court, i want to combickly say i respect the second amendment but i believe there should be comprehensive background checks and we should close the gun show loophole and -- close the online loophole. martha: we have one more question, mr. clinton. mr. cooper: we have one more question from can about energy policy. ken? >> what steps will your energy policy take to meet our energy needs while at the same time remaining environmentally friendly and minimizing job loss for fossil fuel power plant workers? mr. trump: such a great question. energy is under siege by the obama administration. under absolute siege. epa, environmental protection agency, is killing these energy companies and foreign companies are now coming in, buying so many of our different plants and then rejiggering the plants so that they can take care of their oil. we are killing, absolutely killing our energy business in

this country. now, i'm all for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar, etc., but we need much more than wind and solar and you look at our miners. hillary clinton wants to put all the miners out of business. there is a thing called clean coal. it will last for 1,000 years in this country. now we have natural gas and so many other things because of technology. unbelievable. we have tremendous wealth right under our feet. i will bring our energy companies back. they will be able to come back. they will make money. they will pay off our tremendous budget deficits which are tremendous. but we are putting our energy companies out of business. we have to bring back our workers. you take a look at what is happening to steel and china

dumping steel, which is killing our workers. and our steel companies. we have to guard our energy companies. we have to make it possible. the epa is so restrictive, they are putting our energy companies out of business. all you have to do is go to a great place like west virginia or ohio, which is phenomenal, or places like pennsylvania, and you see what they are doing to the people -- miners and others, in the energy business and it's a disgrace. it's an absolute disgrace. mr. cooper: secretary clinton, two minutes. sec. clinton: well, that was very interesting. first of all, china is illegally dumping steel in the united states and donald is buying it to build his buildings.

that is something i fought against as a senator and i would have a trade prosecutor to make sure we don't get taken advantage of by china, on steel or anything else. you know, because it sounds like you are in the business or are aware of people in the business, you know that we are now for the first time ever energy independent. - we are not dependent on the middle east. but the middle east still controls a lot of the prices. so the price of oil has been way , down and that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies, right? we are, however, producing a lot of natural gas, which serves as a bridge to more renewable fuels. and, i think that is an important transition. we have got to remain in energy independent. - it gives us much more power and freedom than to be worried about what goes on in the middle east. we have enough worries about what goes on over there than having to worry about that. so i have a comprehensive energy policy, but it really does include fighting climate change, because i think that is a

serious problem. and i support moving toward more clean, renewable energy as quickly as we can, because i think we can be the 21st century clean energy superpower and create millions of new jobs and businesses. but i also want to make sure we do not leave people behind. that is why i am the only candidate, from the very beginning of this campaign, who had a plan to help us revitalize coal country. because those coal miners and their fathers, and their grandfathers, they dug that callout. a lot of them died, were injured. but they kept the lights on. they powered our factories. i don't want to walk away from them. the price of coal is down worldwide.

i hope you will go to hillaryclinton.com and see the entire policy. martha: we have one more question and it comes from carl becker. question: good evening. i have one more question. regardless of the current rhetoric, would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another? [applause] martha: mr. trump, would you like to go first? sec. clinton: well, i certainly will. because i think that's a very fair and important question. look, i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted, and i think that says a lot about donald. i don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does, but i do respect that, and i think that is something that as a mother and her grandmother, is very

important to me. so, i believe that this election has become in part so conflict oriented, so intense because there's a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time. this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for -- not just four or eight years, but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home and around the world, from the supreme court to energy and so much else -- so there is a lot at stake. it's one of the most consequential elections we have had. and that is why i have tried to put forth specific policies and plans, trying to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is i want to do as president. and that is why i hope people will check on that for themselves so they can see, yes, i have spent 30 years --

actually maybe a little more, working to help kids and families in and i want to take all that to experience to the white house and to do that every single day. trump: mr. trump: well, i consider her statement about my children a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment. i'm very proud of my children. they have been wonderful, wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say this about hillary. she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she is a fighter. i disagree with much of what she is fighting for. i do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up and i consider that to be a very good trait. martha: thanks to both of you. [applause]

mr. cooper: i want to thank both of the candidates. we want to thank the university here. this concludes the townhall commission. thank you to everyone who watched. martha: please tune in on october 19 for the final presidential debate that will take place at the university of nevada, las vegas. good night everyone. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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-- as a rear and think you for being with us. >> now, the second presidential debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. is was held on the campus in washington university.

>> tonight's debate is a town ll format to ask the candidates questions. >> the people you see on this stage were chosen by the gallup organization. they're all from the st. louis area and told gallup they haven't committed to a candidate. each came with questions they want to ask and we saw those questions for the first time this morning. anderson and i and our team are the only one whose have seen them. both candidates will have two minutes to answer each audience and online question. we hope to get to as many questions as we can. so we've asked the audience

here not to slow things down with any applause except for now. ladies and gentlemen, the republican nominee for president, donald j. trump and the democratic nominee for president, hillary clinton. [applause] >> good evening. the last presidential debate

ma, have been graded as mature audiences. do you feel you're modeling appropriate and positive behavior for today's youth? >> thank you. are you a teacher? verys, i think that's a good question because i've heard of from lots of teachers and parents about their concerns about some of the things that are being said and done in this campaign. is very important for us to make clear to our that our country really is great because we're good and we are going to respect one another, lift each other up, we are going to be looking for ways diversity.e our and we're going to try and reach

girl asvery boy and well as every adult to bring them in to working on behalf of country. i'm positive about what we can do together. that's why the slogan of my is stronger together. devicivercome the thanks sets americans against big goals. and makes i've set forth big goals. sure if we set those goals and go together to try achieve them, there is nothing america can't do. wills why i hope that we i'm hoping to--

be elected in november and i american.with every i want to be the president for of youricans regardless political beliefs. regardless of where you come from and your religion. that's i think the best way for us to get the future that our our grandchildren deserve. >> i began this campaign because so tired of seeing foolish country.ppen to our i guess i have been a politician. my whole concept was to make america great again. when i watch the deals being made and watch horrible things

like obama care where healths and when i look at the bad a deal ithow us.or the number one terrorist state, we've made them a strong country from a weak country three years ago. at all of the things i see and all the potential our country has. tremendous potential whether in business and trade badly.e're doing so we're going to bring back law order. just today a policeman was shot.

two killed and that is happening on a weekly basis. we have to bring back respect to enforcement.

we need justice. but i want to do things that haven't been done including fix our inner cities and making things better for the african-american citizen who are so great and the latino americans, the hispanics. it's called make america great again. uconn thank you, mr. trump. the question was are you both modeling positive and appropriate behaviors for today's youth. we've received a lot of questions online about the tapes released friday. you described it it as locker room banter. you bragged about grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault the mr. trump: no, i don't think you understand what was sasmede this was locker room talk. i apologize to my family and to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. this is locker room talk and when you have a world where isis is chopping off heads, drowning people in steel caurgess where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world. and they look and see -- can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and see what's going on?

yes, i'm very embarrassed by it, i hate it but it's locker room talk and one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we're going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgment and i will tell you i will take care of isis -- anderson: mr. trump -- mr. trump: and get on to much more important and bigger things. anderson: just for the record are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss or grope women without consent? mr. trump: i have great respect for women. nobody has more -- anderson: so for the record you are saying you never about -- did that? mr. trump: frankly, you hear these things -- anderson: have you ever done -- mr. trump: i have tremendous respect for women and no, i have not. i will tell you i'm going to make the country safe, we will have borders which we don't have now. people are pouring into our country, and coming from the middle east and other places. we're going to make america safe again and great again and make america wealthy again because if you don't do that, it just -- it sounds harsh to say but we have to build up the wealth of our nation. right now other nations are take our jobs and wealth -- anderson: thank you, mr. trump. are secretary clinton, do you want to respond? secretary clinton: well, like everyone else i've spent a lot of time thinking over the last

48 hours about what we heard and saw. with prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them, politics, policies, principles, but i never questioned their fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander in chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women, what, and he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is. but i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is because we've

seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women, we've seen him rate women on their appearance, rank them from 1 to 10, we've seen him embarrass women on tv and on twitter, we saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe be in the harshest, most personal terms. so yes, this is who donald trump is. but it's not only women and it's not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted imgrant, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.'s, muslims, and so many others.

so this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer, is if this is not who we are. that's why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message, we all should, to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. p and we will respect one another and we will work with one another and we will celebrate our diversity. these are very important values to me because this is the america that i know and love. and i can pledge to you tonight that this is the america that i will serve if i'm so fortunate enough to become your president. martha: and we want to get to some questions online -- mr. trump: am i allowed to respond to that? i assume i am. martha: yes. mr. trump: it's just words, folks. just words. those words i've been hearing them for many years. i heard them when they were

running for senate in new york when hillary was going to bring back jobs to upstate new york and she fafmentde i've heard them when hillary is constantly talking about the inner cities of our country, which are a disaster education-wise, job-wise, safety-wise, every way possible. i'm going to help the african-americans, i'm going to help the latinos, hispanics, i am going to help the inner cities. she's done a terrible job for the african-americans. she wants their vote and she does nothing. then she comes back four years later. we saw that first hand when she was the united states senator. she campaigned -- martha: mr. trump, mr. trunks i want to get to audience questions and online questions. mr. trump: so she's allowed to do that and i'm not allowed to respond? sounds fair. martha: this tape is generating intensin. in just 48 hours it's buccaneers the most did, single most talked-about story of the entire

election on facebook, with millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network. as we said a moment ago we do want to bring in questions from voters around the quite via social media and our first on this topic from ohio asked on facebook, trump says the campaign has changed him. when did that happen? mr. trump, let me add to that, when you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a different man or did that continue until just recently. mr. trump: as i told you, that was locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was something that happened, if you look at bill clinton, mine are words and his were action. his was what he's done to women. there's never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that's been so abusive to women. so you can say it any way you

want to say it, bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women who is a wonderful woman at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. cathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say.