at a time. [laughter] number three, go navy, beat army. [applause] >> thank you, mr. secretary. we are adjourned. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]

>> and our live coverage will continue today at 5:00 eastern when journalist, editor, and author, tina brown, talks about women and global leadership. hosted by the johns hopkins school of advanced international studies. ,t 6:30, back at the press club talking about campaign reporting by media outlets and threats from candidates towards those unfavorable coverage. 8:00 eastern, going out to utah for the u.s. senate debate between mike lee and misty snow.

she's one of the feet -- first to transgender women to win and -- when a major party nomination in a federal election. >> watch c-span's live coverage of the third debate between hillary clinton and donald trump . our live debate preview from las vegas starts at 7:30 p.m. theern and the briefing for studio audience is at 8 p.m. and the 90 minute debate is that 8 p.m. eastern. stay with us following the debate for your reaction. and watch it live or on-demand using your desktop, phone, or tablet at c-span.org. listen to the debate with the free c-span radio app. >> donald trump tweeting this out today -- crooked hillary

clinton likes to talk about the has beene will do, but there for 30 years, why didn't she do them? the clinton campaign responded with a montage of photographs comparing the careers of trump and clinton. today was the start of early voting in ohio. ofe's a look outside cleveland voting precinct this morning. voter registration was extended in florida due to hurricane matthew the federal judge their ordered registration in the state to remain open until october 18. now, a look at a couple of third-party presidential candidates. state: good evening. -- steve: good evening. for the next two hours, a chance to discuss issues with our leading third-party candidates. our criteria is simple. those candidates who have their name on enough ballots to win

270 electoral votes. johnson from santa fe, new mexico. in our second hour, jill stein, the green party nominee. we begin with governor johnson and take you back to may of this year in orlando, florida as he accepted his party's nomination. johnson: i have always said it is every one of your work over the years that has gotten i to this point, and recognize that, and i will work as hard as i can to represent everybody in this room. [applause] mr. johnson: look, for those that were not supported, i just want to reiterate a couple of things. i told the truth. i am not a liar. [applause] mr. johnson: and i make plenty

of mistakes. but what i say here at this convention is what i say everywhere, wherever i go, and i believe it is a really libertarian message wherever i go. [cheering and applause] mr. johnson: and right now, leaving this convention, i think are millions of people going to be trying to understand what it is to be a libertarian, and it is going to be my voice describing that to the best of -- iility, and i realize realize the confidence you have put in me to be the spokesperson, and i am very grateful. steve: former governor gary johnson, the libertarian nominee, joining us from santa fe, new mexico. thank you for being with us. and we are: steve, on the ballot in all 50 states and the district of columbia, so

we are the only third-party that can lay claim to that. steve: is your voice being heard? mr. johnson: i think so, to the extent that it would have been heard if i had been in the first two presidential debates, no, but we knew that this was an uphill battle, and it continues. 50% of americans, when they are going to register to vote, are registering as independent, 28% democrats, 26% republicans. where is that independent representation? i happen to think it is the libertarian voice. right now, i am leading among independents, so i am grateful for that. onve: you describe yourself a website as a social liberal, a fiscal can live, and a -- a fiscal conservative, and a military isolationist. military isolationist, what does that mean? mr. johnson: i never used the term isolationist, never, so i don't know where you are reading

that from, but how about a skeptic when it comes to our foreign policy? the fact that revolve -- when we involve ourselves in regime change -- in my lifetime, i have example or that has worked out better and not worse. involve ourselves in dramatically to the hilt, and we should provide ourselves with an invincible national defense. let's not put our military in a situation where they are caught in a civil war crossfire and we are asking them to accomplish things that are not defined at the very beginning. if i may use it as an example, afghanistan. i think that is a great example of, we were attacked, we attacked back. i supported afghanistan. al qaeda. we got in there to destroy al qaeda. we destroyed them after seven months. they were gone. we should have left afghanistan after seven months. here we are 50 years later area

i think we should get out of afghanistan -- 50 years later. i think we should get out of afghanistan. iraq, on the other hand, when asked about iraq and i left office in 2003, i said we have the militaries surveillance and --lity to see iraq capability to see iraq rollout weapons of mass destruction, but i think that if we go into iraq, we will find ourselves in a civil work to which there will be no end. a regime change, no. isolationist? absolutely not, but noninterventionist. that is a difference between isolationist. free trade. that's how we will help the world out. diplomacy. the only solution to syria is joining hands with russia to deal with that diplomatically. with northy to deal korea is to join hands with china diplomatically, with in north korea.

steve: let's talk about syria. critical ofo been hillary clinton saying she bears responsibility for thousands of civilian deaths. how so? the syrian army, conjecture at the time was that these arms were going to end up in the hands of the islamists, or these hands would end up in the hands of isis. in fact, they have. the fact that we are now backing raqqa,rds against isis in well, the kurds are sideways with her turkish ally. they are not such a good ally after meeting in aided iraq, and arguably because our -- after we invaded iraq, and arguably it is because saddam's henchmen led to that area and may have participated in the organization -- like i say, two years ago we

did not even know the term "isis." have put ourselves in a situation where we are backing a free syrian army, but they are arm-in-are -- they are arm with the islamists. this is a horrible situation. , aoft, a horrible -- assad horrible human being raking tragedy. what we did, the free syrian army, those arms ending up in the hands of the islamists and isis, has that made the situation better? no, it has made the situation worse. want to engage iranians. here are the numbers. if you're a supporter of the johnson-well take it, the number 20202-7 or 8-8920 -- 2-748-8920.

also, you can join us on twitter @cspan. let me ask you about your two moments on msnbc. you were asked about aleppo and you said "what is aleppo." and you were asked about a fourth leader and referred to it as another aleppo moment. has that her view in the eyes of the public, your fall campaign? i am being made to look like somebody who does not understand what these situations are. that hurts or not -- look, if we are going to gauge our next president of the united states on their ability across i'seye's and dot the -- the and dot the t's on foreign relations, then we will have the same policy we have had for most of my lifetime, which is supporting regime change. who makes these decisions?

i have no idea, but as commander-in-chief, we will honor all treaties and obligations, but untangling all these promises that have been made, i think, requires someone like myself. i think we would be able to get ourselves untangled. i think it is important to point out that among active military am their next choice to be commander-in-chief. i would like to think it is based on what i am saying, and that's what i am saying right now. steve: have you given any thoughts as to who you would asked to serve in your candidate, most notably a secretary of state or defense secretary? i was really well served as governor of new mexico. i would like to point out that i was a two-term governor of new mexico, a republican who served in a highly democrat state. never been involved in politics before. , -- weld, ryan running mate my running mate, a former

two-term governor serving in massachusetts, a state that is 4-1 democrat. when i took office, i said there jobs, meaningsed we did not make promises for any jobs. come apply. we will hire the best and the i am going to guess -- i was really surprised by the quality of people that applied for jobs in state government. i am going to guess that the same phenomenon will exist as president of the united states, filling all these cabinet positions. tove: is there a path secretary of state or defense secretary that would be your model, the type of person you would want to serve? mr. johnson: mike leavitt, who as a former secretary of health and human services, i knew him as governor. incredibly capable cry. -- capable guy.

looking at someone like that to possess those skills asked secretary of state -- steve, i have been really disillusioned, having never been involved in politics before, coming into office and then actually getting to meet people i had held up on pedestals, believing that they were all about advancing public policy for the public good. that theyfind out were more concerned with getting reelected. a were more concerned with paul's. -- they were more concerned with polls. that is not to say i did not meet a lot of good people, but i am concerned about prior officeholders, people that have served. i don't think we get the whole story. with the internet, we are more informed. we don't have to go through filters anymore. exciting times to be living in. i don't think we could be living in any more exciting times and today.

steve: i have a couple of questions from the first two presidential debates, which we will get to, but also a chance for our c-span audience to engage with you. jarrett is joining us from cedarville, texas. good evening. caller: good evening. i am a johnson-weld supporter. i have really been one of your most vocal supporters. i comment on a lot of your facebook posts. i really admire your honesty. i quote benjamin franklin, "honesty is the best policy." democrat, auntled recovering republican. i have been a democrat. i really just can't bring myself to support the two major party nominees. it is really a shame, because i wanted to support a major party, but i really looked into you, and i agree with a lot of what

you say. i guess i really hope you can be a big game changer in this election. steve: thanks for the call. we will get a response. mr. johnson: i think that the libertarian party right now is representing 60% of americans, and those 60% of americans i would briefly described as being fiscally conservative, socially inclusive, skeptical of our wars, and also, free trade, that free trade is devoid of crony capitalism. crony capitalism by definition is when government picks winners and losers, and that is political. and the libertarian party is representing the opposite of that. opportunity for all. those four legs of the school, i 40% ofight now represent the american voters, and i do think that republican donald

trump, democrat hillary clinton, i think they are out on the fringes, as reflected by the fact that 60% of americans feared them negatively -- view them negatively. there is a reason they are on the fringes. tove: on twitter, be sure follow us. this is from hank. follows,t reads as "how will gary johnson work with congress effectively being a third-party candidate?" label." "i hate that mr. johnson: you know, does anybody think that if trump are clinton -- trump or clinton were elected that polarization in congress would get better? i don't think any of this believe that. it will get worse. toh party has one agenda, kill the other side. a big scenario. a six lane highway down the middle. gary johnson, bill weld, we are going to hire democrats, republicans, libertarians.

to be a nonpartisan administration. callout both sides to come to the table to deal with issues that the country is facing. i think that third scenario at least has the opportunity of working. the others do. the first two don't have a chance of working whatsoever. let's go to north carolina, john, supporter of donald trump. caller: good evening. yes, i am a supporter of donald trump because of the positions that he has taken on things that are very vital to our future. about theconcerned immigration, the lack of work to make our immigration laws work, and i think he would work to improve that. i am very concerned about the fact that our military has been cut way back under the current

administration, and no indication that there would be any change there, while our adversaries are building up their military forces. like the way he says things sometimes, but i do believe that his policies are better. steve: governor, what would you say to john? we johnson: well, i think should be embracing immigration. as a border state governor, i will tell you that workers from mexico are really the cream of the crop. they are not taking jobs that u.s. citizens want. the main reason for 11 million undocumented workers is the fact that government sets quotas, and you can't get a work visa to get across the border, so they are coming across the border to take jobs that u.s. citizens don't want, something that you and i would do if that is what we had

to do for our families. make it easy as possible for someone who wants to come into this country and work to be able to get a work visa. they work visa should entail a background check and a social security card, that applicable taxes get paid. wall across the border. in new mexico, where the population is 50% hispanic, how is a crackdown of 11 million undocumented workers going to work in new mexico? is a going to be a door-to-door, knock on the door am a let's see your papers, and if you don't have your papers, what's going to happen -- not on the door, let's see your papers, and if you don't have your papers, what's going to happen been? i think he is completely out of touch when it comes to immigration. and on the military, i share your terms. we should have an invincible en wenal defense, but whn thelve ourselves as

world's national policeman, it costs a lot of money with no clear objectives at the end, and the world ends up to be less safe. look, let's concentrate on making our country safe, on defending our country. let's have clear, the find goals for -- defined goals for our military. steve: let me pick up on that. none of the participants in the town hall was from a muslim american -- one of the participants of the town hall was from a muslim american, asking this question, how will you help people like me deal with the consequences of being labeled as a threat to the country after the election is over? well, i am not going to label you a threat. i am going to label you as an asset, just like all immigrants. this starts with a commander-in-chief that is going

to be talking about these issues, in particular, in the way that i am talking about it. immigration is a great thing. this is not a country that should be discriminating against any group whatsoever. when we do that, it has bad should hee, and we working to overcome that discrimination, and as president, i will work to overcome that discrimination. steve: you probably saw the numbers from the latest nbc news/wall street journal all that has hillary clinton with believe. this is a survey among likely voters. .ou are now at 9% according to the commission on presidential debates, you need to be at 15 percent to participate. there is one more debate. you since any movement that will allow you to be on the stage next week? mr. johnson: anything can happen. this showing on c-span, thank you very much,

steve, this might push it over the top. but it is a hard road to push it you are not in the presidential debates. leadingreat pride in among young people right now. by leaving, i guess i am tied with hillary clinton, but coming from nowhere to be tied among young people, i think, election day that could actually swing -- election day that could actually swing young people. we are leading among active military personnel, which, although it is not a big in a graphic, -- big demographic, who but they should know what direction this country should take militarily? steve: this question, what are your top considerations for a supreme court judge?

well, we actually had a list today that we released, but at the top of that turley fromthan george washington university. professor campbell from chapman university. looking ational law the constitution from the perspective of original intent. steve: a new york supporter of hillary clinton. ask for joining us. caller: hello? steve: good evening. caller: good evening. i am basically an independent mind, but i am leaning toward hillary clinton. disgusted withm trump. he is racist, he is lying every five minutes, and all these things. he called it "locker room."

how about going on howard stern? he wanted to date his daughter, make out. is that the america that we stand for? our children are the future. how can we explain this kind of stuff? disgusting things. know?an, does he like mr. johnson just said, he said he wants to the port 11 million people, how are you going to label them? , or is he-to-door just making a full of the american public? have nice should words. very defensive if things don't go his way. look at megyn kelly. he got upset. the judge is mexican.

person, he has a bad comment for those people. so it is so sad how this is not the america we want. this is not the america we stand for. steve: thank you. i will let governor johnson have a chance to respond. thank you for your call. governor johnson? mr. johnson: i would just agree with everything you said about donald trump. i would just add that when it comes to hillary clinton, there is not anything that government won't he able to solve in the future when it comes to hillary clinton. she is going to grow government. neither hillary nor trump want to invest -- want to address the entitlements, medicaid and medicare. reform the entitlements so they are around for young people. i don't think it's an option to

say let's do nothing with those programs. hillary is saying we should expand those programs. i don't think it is an option to say that we should not look at reforming social security, so it will actually be around for young people. i am particularly disturbed with the latest revelations, which is the hypocrisy of hillary clinton saying one thing and doing another, talking to wall street privately, telling them that, look, ordinary people don't understand these issues, but you and i do, and we will make it through. i think the one unforgivable in life is hypocrisy, saying one thing and doing another. from the town hall on sunday, one of the participants saying the affordable care act is not affordable, adding, "what would you do to bring costs down and make coverage better?" let me add to that this tweet. nick wants to know about

pre-existing conditions, what you would do specifically. your thoughts. mr. johnson: there needs to be a reform to the affordable health care act, that we should bring competition. i think government could bring a big role in bringing more competition to health care. more competition would be better health care, advertised pricing, advertise outcomes, something that currently does not exist. look, pre-existing condition is an issue that this country was and i think it can be taken care of. if that ends up to be a -- it'snt subsidy which layered right now, but currently that is government subsidy at present. but that is a very real issue. health care reform, i happen to agree with chief justice roberts, that the affordable health care act is a tax.

my health insurance premiums have quadrupled. i want to see a doctor here about three weeks ago to get a physical because i am running for president, but until then i had not been to see a doctor for years prior to that. we can bring competition to health care. we can blow the lid off the --ply of doctors, so much a off the supply of doctors. so much is being made about not enough doctors to go around. well, that can be a government subsidy when it comes to medical schools and their ability to turn out more doctors. we should be dealing with health care from the front end, not after the consequences of poor , after thexercise consequences of those come down on the health care system and we have to deal with diabetes, heart

.ailure, smoking we have to develop a consequence of smoking. on and on. bring competition, more competition, to health care as president of the united states. i will sign any legislation that i believe makes health care more affordable and increases a way to lower costs. we opened up our ability to buy prescriptions from canada because they are cheaper, which i would support how longsecond, but would prices remain expensive in the united states if we did that? they would not remain expensive at all because that competition from abroad -- competition rings lower prices. darlene, as go to supporter of the johnson-weld ticket in cincinnati. good evening. caller: hello, governor johnson.

i'm honored to speak with you. i was so relieved when i found out about three months ago that we had another option besides clinton and trump. i have been impressed with the information that i have gotten off your website. especially the fact that you have cut taxes when you were governor 14 times, and that you left the state with new highways, bridges, schools, and hospitals. i am a firm supporter and have been telling as many people as i can about you. i think it is a crime that the commission for presidential debates has shut you and the other candidates off from the debates. i think that is worthy of a lawsuit. that when that lawsuit

comes to trial, that they will have to pay a lot of taxes for the fact that has been masquerading as a nonprofit. steve: thank you for the call. mr. johnson: well, one thing that bill weld and i are going to bring when it comes to small government is certainty. taxes are not going to go up. we are pledging to submit a balanced budget to the congress in the first 100 days. why a balanced budget? is all aboutbudget the future of this country. a balanced budget is for young people. the fact that i am going to get my health care, my retirement, but guess what? u.s. young people, who is to say if it is going to be around? the affordable health care act, which relies on healthy people, subsidizing those who are not so healthy. guess what?

that disparagingly falls on young people also, and it is young people that we are putting in harms way with our military our intervention regime change policies that are putting young people in harms way. i think all of this is really , andd toward the future all of this libertarian agenda is equality for all. you touched on the presidential debates commission, made up of republicans and democrats, and they just have no interest whatsoever in seeing anyone other than a democrat or republican on stage. -- this is something i just kind of a couple of weeks ago -- i'm actually polling higher than ross perot was pulling when he was allowed in the presidential debates. initially, he was pulling very high, then he dropped out of the race. after he dropped out, he was polling lower --

lower than i am. he was allowed in the debates because both bush and clinton saw it as an advantage. after those debates, the debate commission set a threshold. without being in the presidential debates, you cannot garner that level of support. midwaywe are in the point of a one-hour conversation with governor gary johnson. in our next hour, a conversation with the green party nominee and her running mate. we want to remind our audience that the speeches by governor johnson are on our website at c-span.org. jennifer tweet from who wants to know specifically about our voting system. she writes, open oh what would you do as -- writes, "what would you do to reform our election process and voting systems?" mr. johnson: i would simply like

to see a majority elect the president of the united states. i understand reasons for the electoral college, but here it here it is.ould -- we could conceivably have this boat go to the electoral college. i think it has outgrown its usefulness. that would be a starter. i also like ranked voting, where you can vote for a couple of candidates as opposed to one. i think that is a way to break the two-party system also. when i say break the two-party system, break the two-party system. democrats, 28%. republicans, 26 percent. independents, 43%. libertarians, greens making up the rest. really, democrats and republicans have outgrown their representation. debate, thehe first first question by lester hold -- in the first debate, the first

question by lester holt asked specifically whether each candidate would do to create more jobs. what would you do? in the 2012 steve, cycle when i ran for president, rick perry was beating his chest over the fact that he had created more jobs than anyone else running in 2012. he did a really good job, but it turns out i actually have the best record when it came to jobs. 2012 stays as it is today. look, government desire create jobs. the private sector does. mightily toributed this notion of equal opportunity. i have vetoed a lot of legislation that would give advantage to those that already had advantage. government is for sale. crony capitalism is when government takes winners and losers. pickvernment does not winners or losers, then you have

this quality by everyone. equality by everyone. what i am offering is certainty. taxes are not going to go up. olson regulations are going to get better. i am not going to be elected dictator or king. i am getting elected president of the united states. but i would advocate that a limitation of income tax and corporate tax, -- the elimination of income tax and corporate tax, replacing those one tax. i have advocated fair tax. it is a proposal that has been around for 10 years. every year, about 80 congressmen and women sign on. and crosses the t's. i did it would be fair. bottom line, it would create

tens of millions of jobs in this country because of a zero corporate tax. let's not kid ourselves. you and i pay for corporate tax. corporations do not pay for corporate tax. aeve: from bedford, virginia, supporter of hillary clinton. caller: hi. ask for taking my call. mr. johnson: high. -- hi. i can't call myself a clinton supporter, but i will certainly be voting for her. i have to say, your humility at honesty a refreshing. i really like it. my question is, do you agree with the vast number of climate , the 97%, that says climate change israel and humans are causing it echoed the you agree -- is real and humans

are causing it? do you agree, first of all? mr. johnson: yes. caller: if we assume they are correct, what are your solutions? does government have a role? if private enterprise is going to take care of it alone, how exactly will that work. that is pretty much my question. thank you. mr. johnson: right now, i think that you and i as consumers are demanding less carbon emission, -- we are getting that area getting out. with regard to the paris accord, i don't see how that is achievable. i really don't. i think it sets unrealistic goals. we are 16% of the world's carbon emission -- carbon does not know any boundaries, so i don't want to get out front on this to the point that the u.s. loses jobs

as a result of being out front on this, but i do think that consumers will drive less carbon emission in a really big way. paul is a big example. is a big example. marginal coal assets have been bankrupted. currently online is supplying 36% of the u.s. electrical load. but why would you build a -fired plant- coal today? even lower is the price of natural gas. if yould a coal plant can build a natural gas plant for less money? that is the market at work. steve: let's turn to drugs. you have been a vocal proponent of drug legalization.

what would you say about your support for drug legalization to parents of children lost to addiction? mr. johnson: first of all, the only drug i have advocated legalizing, since 1990 nine, being the highest elected official in the united states to call for the legalization of marijuana, but that's the only one i am calling for the legalization of, marijuana. i think we are going to do that as a country, and when we do that, we will come to a quantum of understanding when it comes to the drug issue, and that quantum leap will be to understand drugs first as a health issue, rather than a criminal justice issue. when you talk about overdose, when you talk about death due to drugs, what we are concerned with is death, disease, crime, and corruption. 90% of that is related to

, quality, quantity, unknown, dirty needles which lead to hiv, hepatitis c, the fact that it is legal. you have to indulge in prostitution. , because disputes are handled with guns rather than the courts. -- it's a marijuana health issue, not a criminal justice issue. for all those that have died due to overdose, look, that's quality,ut it's quantity, unknown. it is prohibition that kills. steve: do you find any benefits from using marijuana yourself, ali? -- personally? mr. johnson: i have. i have not had a drink of alcohol in 30 years. and wellness.lth

comparing alcohol to marijuana, i think marijuana is way safer than everything else is out there, starting with alcohol, and i would like to point out campaign to legalize marijuana in colorado was based on marijuana is safer than alcohol, which i believe that it is. no onek, i begrudge taking the edge off today by consuming marijuana, nor do i begrudge anyone taking the edge off the day by consuming alcohol. just don't take that impairment and get behind the wheel of a car. that's where government needs to have a role, and will have a role. look, impairment is not an excuse to do harm to someone else. steve: let's go to john from phoenix, supporter of donald trump. welcome. caller: hi. i would like to have any

president, including you, that can answer the question regarding all the construction jobs that have been lost since this housing market dived, why americans are not on our construction sites. i do know why, because the homebuilders are taking advantage of the fact that people are happy to break the law. w-9 forms to hire people to be on builders' sites. 90% of the people that are filling out this form turns into 1099 at the end of the year. the irs collects these forms and they are fake. fakef them are using social security numbers. these are thousands of jobs on our construction sites being lost, and i am wondering why no president has talked about all the jobs that are lost by the middle last -- by the middle class.

new homebuilders are taking advantage of the fact that laws are not being enforced and we are losing our jobs area -- losing our jobs. mr. johnson: first of all, i don't know if you know my history, but i started a one-man handyman business in albuquerque 1974, and -- in actually grew the business to employ more than a thousand people. electrical, mechanical, plumbing. some of my best workers were immigrants. and i maintain that. i also maintain that it is not an issue with lower pay unless it is an issue of language, and they are the first ones that recognize that. they are taking jobs that u.s. citizens don't want. therightfully described hoop jumping that goes on with false documentation that they present to get these jobs. i would like to see work visas issued, make this something that is upfront, that it does not illegal.e

a great untold story also is that these taxes get collected from immigrants that are presenting false documentation, and taxes are never collected. they are contributing to the system in a big way and not actually taking advantage of what they are paying into. governor johnson, another question from the first debate dealt with income inequality, pointing out that many americans are living paycheck to paycheck. what is the role of government to boost the income of american , and the tax code in this country that may help american people, and creating jobs? mr. johnson: i want to give people the following advice. the advice i have to give is take whatever it is you know and

apply entrepreneur really. create your -- entrepreneurally. create your of jobs. there is probably a collective scoff at that because of how difficult it is to do that. government should play a role in making that a lot easier. if what people are looking for is income equality, peter taking from paul, i don't know if ever bent will able to step in and make that equitable. but if people are looking for equal opportunity, where you can compete only with somebody else, and i think a great example of that is the internet. are onviduals, all of us par with every single other individual on the planet because of the internet. i think that the model for the future is uber everything. it is eliminating the middleman.

it is allowing you as the yourpreneur to deliver goods and services to the end user, and the user pays less money because there is not a middleman. you end up making more money because there is not a middleman. i do think that this is the model of the future, and there assaults by governments, by legislation. hillary is not want to see uber, does not want to see airbnb. young lady into a baltimore who got her phd in science. she said she has read this student debt. i figured out a way -- has horrendous student debt. i figured out a way to help, airbnb, but the city of baltimore said it's not allowed. that is government standing in the way of what i think is just the tip of the iceberg of the sharing economy.

government out of the equation. inernment plays a role health, safety, and equality, making sure that no one harms anyone else. in that context, government can also ensure that i am on par with everyone else. i am not at a disadvantage because i have never attempted to do something. steve: we will go to katie, one of your supporters from pennsylvania. caller: hey, gary. mr. johnson: hey. one of the main complaints that i hear about your campaign is that you are open topen -- more combating environmental issues. are you willing to consider opening your mind to this, and specifically, how so, or on what grounds? are saying that i am not open to combating environmental issues? i support the epa.

i think government has a to protect usle against individuals, groups, corporations, foreign governments that would do us harm, and i put pollution in the category of harm. i put the epa as kind of a forefront of protecting us against polluters. as governor of new mexico, there was a major polluter of river in .orthern new mexico mining, enterprise had gone on for decades. they refused to acknowledge that there were even responsible for the metal contamination in the first place. i shut them down because my was thehandle -- anvil environmental protection agency. going toyou are not come to the table in 30 days, i will turn you over to federal

epa's, and that's exactly what happened. i would like to think i would stand up against polluters, and i believe in the health and safety of you and i as citizens of this country. look, pollution flies in the face of health and safety. is a: gary johnson graduate of the university of new mexico. he served as the governor of that state from 1995 to 2003. this has been the most tweeted topic over the last hour. it deals with education and college costs. this is adam. it says, "what is your proposal to deal with the rising costs of universities and student loan debt?" mr. johnson: i think the main reason for high cost is guaranteed government student loans. if guaranteed government student loans never would have existed, college tuition today, i believe, would be half of what is right now.

government has interjected itself, picking winners and losers. the losers in this case, colleges and universities that are and you are having to price toare immune from having price their products in a way that if you did not have a loan, you would question the affordability of college, and ultimately the prices would be much lower. i think students have been sold a bill of goods when it comes to , and that they are graduating from college with a home mortgage without the home. i would be open to legislation that would fix the interest rates in line with the bailout , believing that this is a cap tester the that is looming -- a catastrophe that is looming. doing away with government student loans would not do away with student loans, it would just put it on the private sector, and college loans would

drop dramatically. a question regarding 2020. if you did not make it in this election, would you consider running again? mr. johnson: i think i have been given a good shot here. there is still the possibility of making this happen. like i say, this c-span appearance right now, if this does not do it, i don't know what will, but no, i have been given my shot. 2012, 1 .3 million votes number 1%. votes, 1%.3 million despite the odds, we are contending at the moment. i think there will be a slew of libertarian candidates that will come along that will really be exciting, and i will look forward to that, but i will look forward to that as an observer and not a participant.

focus we have wanted to primarily on political policy, but first, two political questions. your running mate, bill weld, says he will do whatever he can to make sure donald trump is not elected. is he doing everything he can to help you make a dent in 2016? mr. johnson: absolutely. before we got together running as a ticket for the libertarian party, we were pretty good friends. we are best friends now. i hold bill weld up on a pedestal. he wants to keep donald trump from being president as much as i don't want to see hillary clinton as president. we have a pretty balanced ticket. and former congressman ron paul, the 1988 libertarian nominee, says that jill stein is more progressive than you. what would you say to congressman paul? mr. johnson: that is congressman on the-- progressive

social side, economically -- i lotk jill and i agree on a of topics, but when it comes to economics, jill and i come to a t in the road. iswhat ron paul is saying she is more progressive on social issues, that's his opinion. is saying she is better on the issues from an, standpoint, i would be surprised if he were saying that. let's go to david from dell, california, a supporter of hillary clinton. caller: i have actually never been registered for any political party. that's how i have conducted myself as a citizen. -- at little concerned the beginning of this show, the host asked you who you would appoint as a foreign secretary.

that is an important question, i don't know if your answer was sufficient. i support hillary clinton this year because i trust her. i obviously don't support trump area i trust you on social issues, but i'm not sure that is good enough -- i obviously don't support trump. social issues,n but i am not sure that is good enough. i live in a county where the democratic party will win, hands down. is yourtions, what position on the inheritance tax, and why? and as it relates to policy, how would you deal with a president that is antagonizing the united states? two points. mr. johnson: i think the latter question on the philippine president, i think you will see a greatly diminished tourist trade with the united states. that's just my guess. his dialogueusts or people get him out of office, i think the philippines will suffer as a result of tourism

dropping. that's just my prediction. and the things that he is doing from a human rights standpoint, i would stand up to what he is doing from a human rights standpoint and this crackdown on drugs resulting in the death of a lot of people. went -- i would engage in the dialogue against what he is doing if i were elected president of the united states. back to hillary and -- inheritance tax. mr. johnson: thank you. the inheritance tax, i think it is one of those issues where the lower middle class -- i realize for the most part, they are able to pass that money on because of the limits that do exist, but

ideally we would not have that tax. ideally, if we were to eliminate income tax and corporate tax and replace all of it with one federal consumption tax, we would not have a deduction for social security, we would not have a deduction for unemployment, we would not have , anduction for medicaid the inheritance tax would go by otheryside, and all those revenues would come from the proceeds of one federal consumption tax. get one morel call. this is from ricky in desoto, missouri. caller: hi. good evening, mr. johnson. i'm 19 years old, and i am very open-minded, and this is my first presidential election. i must say this election is an insult to human intelligence. the united states government is using the wealth of our land against us to create problems in

our own home. information ined our own schools, and kids have to compete on standardized tests. it seems that the youth havein high political positions for port in subjects -- for important subjects. do you have any idea how the use can be involved in federal government? mr. johnson: i do. i will point out the obvious. young people 18 334 have only grown up with the internet. -- 18 to 34 have only grown up with the internet. my generation and others have grown up seeing everything through a filter. because you have not seen anything through a filter, i think you kind of cut through the clutter more than any other group. i'm leaving that's the case, because i am tied for the lead among your demographic. i'm hoping that is the case.

, right now the attempt is to sell you all a bill of goods area expanding medicaid -- of goods. ,xpanding medicaid and medicare a form policy that puts you in harms way, i think you are bearing the brunt of all of this , and all of this will come to a crashing conclusion because we simply cannot continue to print money to cover things that we can't pay for. the horrible tax at the end of all this will be whiplash inflation. the money that you have saved a much lower amount overnight, because that is how this is going to manifest itself. a lot more money chasing the same goods and services will

result in much higher p rices, and that's the demise of most countries like ourselves. deal withchance to it, but let's deal with it. it is not an option to do nothing, it is not an option to expand these programs. steve: let me conclude for this -- conclude with this question. what, for you, is a bigger challenge -- running for president were scaling mount everest? mr. johnson: they are one in the same. it is one foot in front of the other. going to everest, getting to the summit was a real plus, but getting there, being fit enough, staying safe, working your way -- look, there are a lot of factors beyond your control, but i was there and was actually successful in that endeavor. it was a process.

running for president is a process. it's the same thing. one foot in front of the other, life is all about dealing with failure. how we deal with failure ultimately determines success. andou crawl up in a ball declare yourself a victim, or do you get up the next day with a smile on your face, recognizing that it is a process? imb latter. i wake up every day with a smile. setbacks are what we deal with all the time. let's just deal with them. joining us from santa fe, new mexico, former governor gary johnson, the 2016 >> c-span -- created by america lost television companies and brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. tonight, we continue our

look at the two leading third-party candidates in our first hour. governor gary johnson joining us hour, dr. jill stein and her running mate. we want to take you to august when she accepted her green party in houston, texas. ms. stein: i am honored beyond words to be your candidate and i'm so honored to be running for president of the united states with the green party. the only party of, by, and for the people. that is what we are. we have been ahead of the curve in so many ways. on climate change, on green energy, on the militarization, on marriage equality, on free public higher education and canceling student debt. [applause] on stopping the transpacific partnership.

[applause] drugs andthe war on the incarceration state. [applause] reparations for slavery and to the indigenous people of this nation. [applause] opposing war crimes committed by saudi arabia and yemen and occupationand committed by the israeli government in palestine. [applause] more. much we have been ahead of the curve -- allades and all of us of a sudden, that curve is catching up to us big-time. host: the issues for the green

party and joining us in our studios is dr. jill stein, the green party nominee. , your runningraka mate. why did you select him? ms. stein: because he is a powerful and distinguished voice on behalf of human rights, on behalf of economic rights and workers rights and racial justice. in this country, we are in crisis on all of those accounts and it's very important that this election bring all of us to the table and we really wanted to have a diversified ticket that speaks to so many disenfranchised american voters who are left out in the economy, jobs, education, and locked out of the dialogue in this election. have himly honored to with me so we can truly have a diverse and multiracial and multicultural education to

invite in the many people who are otherwise locked out of our economy and out of our political system. host: let me begin with one of the key points of your platform. you said you want to build a people's movement and end unemployment and poverty. on those issues, how do you do that? ms. stein: they are really one in the same. we incorporate a third crisis along with that. unemployment, poverty, and climate change. jobsll for an emergency program that will address the economic crisis, but which will also address the climate crisis and it puts them together because they can only be fixed together. otherwise, people are pitted against each other given a choice between the climate or jobs. that way, people always choose jobs because that is about survival today.

we call for a jobs program to give everyone a good paying, living wage job as part of this emergency green energy revive theto economy, turn the tide on climate change, and that will also make the wars for oil obsolete. last point about this is we get so much healthier by eliminating fossil fuels, there are 200,000 people who die every year in this country from fossil fuel alone. on that basis alone, we save so much money from eliminating possible fuels that that health savings alone is enough to pay the cost of the green energy transition and we call for zeroing out fossil fuels, creating all the jobs in clean energy to basically create 20 million jobs, zeroing out fossil fuel. by 2030. host: and you think that's

realistic. ms. stein: not doing that is not compatible with survival from what the science tells us and it says that in all kinds of ways whether you look at jen hansen's recent study that says we will be seeing double-digit's of sea soon as 2060. a recent report put out by oil change international last week said that we have a 0 -- have to zero out fossil fuels in the next seven years if we will avoid catastrophic climate change. we have got to declare a national emergency like we did one pro-harbor was bond. you know how long it took for us economy?orm the no one would have said that was realistic but it was a matter of national emergency. theill completely transform economy. the war for our survival against climate change.

if we can transform our economy and the second world war in six months, we can do it in the next 15 years. host: let me ask you about the cycle of poverty. it is very high in america's inner cities and especially high among young african-american men and you have the cycle of poverty and crime. what is the role of the federal government. how do you end that cycle? the government has an important role to play in terms of expanding justice for making sure that people have the ability to live it dignified life of working with the private sector to ensure people have jobs. when you have jobs and jobs at a living wage, you can directly confront poverty. you can create conditions where people will live in dignity. somethingoverty is

that various presidents have tried over the last two decades is still the number one challenge. to do that, you have to have an economy that is providing real justice to people and that means you have to have an economy that we see as assistance from the federal government. the notion that the private totor or the market is going file these problems and create all the jobs we need is kind of naïve. of dr.ou are a supporter jill stein, our phone numbers are open. if you are supportive of hillary clinton -- host: i didn't really have expectations about where this would go. am extremely gratified by the

development so far. there has certainly been a media blackout that held back our campaign. we have received the least amount of primetime media coverage. we have 1000 times more free primetime coverage on network news. the young people are inheriting the climate crisis and it they hear about us, there absolutely overjoyed that we are the campaign that is actually paying attention that offered a bailout for students like democrats and republicans. .hey bailed out wall street they say it's time to bailout the victims of that economy. that would have gotten out the

sanders campaign be informed members of the campaign have been able to get past this media blackout, they too are strongly supporting our campaign at this point. it is very exciting to me how we have been able to reach out through the african-american community to the latino community to learn that the republicans of the party of hate and fear mongering and the republicans of the party of duplication and night raids. we feel it is a moment of discovery about the green party at the same time that people are and the up than ever two democratic and republican candidates are the most disliked and on trusted presidential candidates in our history. we deserve open debate and that's what the american people are clamoring for.

what are the critical issues that really need to be discussed in this election. host: you are on how many state ballots? mr. baraka: 48 at this point. host: isis has been a part of the major problem in syria. let's acknowledge syria is very complicated. there is a civil war and there's a proxy war among many foreign powers in syria. it's also a war of who gets to run their pipeline through syria. part of that mess is isis and isis in turn grew out of the chaos of iraq and isis also grew out of the chaos of libya. and hillary clinton approved

that war in iraq and led them into libya. she has everything to do and her poor judgment has everything to do with the chaos around the middle east now that we are seeing full force in syria and what is really frightening now to me is that hillary has been but allfor a long time is stronger now. she is calling for a no-fly zone in syria and what that really means is not only bombing syria and taking out all of the antiaircraft positions, which means bombing population centers in syria, but it means shooting airplanes out of the sky who are violating the no-fly zone and not means we are going to war with russia. we are both nuclear armed powers and have 2000 nuclear weapons on hair trigger alert. this is extremely dangerous territories that hillary clinton is rushing headlong into.

host: i want to ask you some of the same questions asked in the first two presidential debates and let me ask you specifically about the tax code and tax provisions. one of the participants that one of the questions was whether or not you would change the tax system to ensure wealthy americans pay their fair share. mr. baraka: of course. we are strong advocates in a tax is trulyat progressive. one that is going to be geared towards ensuring that the individuals who have more wealth are paying their fair share, the people who are working class people, poor people, that they have tax relief. we say we will illuminate taxes for anyone in any individual making less than $25,000 and for thanies making less $50,000. we want to see a tax code that reflects the values of the most progressive values of this country, one in which the rich

are required to pay their fair share. it is really outrageous that we have not only individuals but corporations that are able to fully escape to pay taxes here in this country. trump isal of donald only a scandal in that people are not aware of the fact there are many more donald trump's in the system. we want to eliminate that and make sure we have the kind of revenue we need to address the social issues that need to be addressed in this country. host: one of the topics in this hour in the last hour focusing on education. can talkr not you about your plans for college funding and will this include housing, food, books, etc.? host: great question. to our platform on college education, one is that we need to end the debt and ended student debt right now, which is predatory debt and it's very hard to get out of it.

in what sense doesn't make to throw an entire generation into debt so that they can then have a shot at financial security. in the 21st-century, you need to have a college education if you are going to survive in the economy. in the same way we provided free high school education in the 20th century, we need to now provide free college education in the 21st century. going back, that means bailing out the students. we bailed out wall street. .he crash the economy it's time to bail out the students. bailing out wall street cost about $16 trillion. bailing out young people in debt cost about $1.3 trillion. there are a variety of ways we can, with that money. we can tax wall street speaking to the justice system. we call for a small sales tax on wall street.

taxing wall street transactions .2% tiny percentage, like would be enough to generate hundreds of billions of dollars per year, which could be used for that student bailout and finally, paying for public higher education. it pays for itself. we know that from the g.i. bill. for every dollar we put in, we get back seven dollars in returns. consider this an investment. that money -- it would be about 100 billion dollars a year. that could come from a among ourr things scaling back on bloated and dangerous military upget, which is gobbling more than 50% of our discretionary budget right now to lend to these wars for oil that are not making us more safe, they are making us less safe. host: we have a lot of people that want to weigh in. our spent 30 seconds giving audience a sense of your background and what you entered this race. i am a human rights

activist and human rights defender and organizer. my entire life has been devoted to trying to realize social justice in the u.s. and globally. to servereal desire the american people in a different capacity. i was honored that i was asked to join dr. stein in this quest. we believe in shifting power to the people and building democracy. in brief, i'm a medical doctor and now i am practicing political medicine mother of allthe illnesses. we need to heal our sick political system so we can deal with all the other critical problems that are literally threatening our lives and survival and that includes climate change and war. finally, i would say i'm a mother on fire and having seen our younger generation currently

does not have a future between climate change, expanding war, and this threat of nuclear weapons. the former head of the soviet union during the cold war said last week that we are now at a more dangerous point than we had are been in history, but we closer to nuclear war right now between the u.s. and russia. this to me is not acceptable, not something i as a mother can sit back and watch. why history is working with citizen groups with ordinary people so that we ourselves can improve legislation and regulation in order to improve our lives, our health, economy. us inmary joining pennsylvania, a supporter of this ticket. good evening. caller: good evening. first, i would like to say thank you to jill stein for running for office. that wethe choices

have, i feel that you are in the best position to take our country to a higher standard and my question is what steps we take in addressing police brutality and police reform in this country? ms. stein: wonderful. critical question. this is really at a crisis level and there is much of it we can do about it. is crisis of police violence really the tip of the iceberg. the crisis of systemic racism in terms of jobs and higher unemployment among the african-american community, disparities in school and education and in health and indicators of health and longevity and all of that. this is a pervasive crisis but to start with the police violence, every community deserves a police review board and independent investigator so that every case of death at the

hands of police can be investigated so that perpetrators can be held accountable. we need to transform the culture of policing so it is not about confrontation in this broken windows policy of policing but instead is focused on de-escalation and we move towards a form of policing that is not confrontational and based on use of force and swat teams and recycling of excess military equipment. a need to get back to supportive form of community policing and spend less money on policing and more money on actually addressing the drivers discontent, poverty crime, disenfranchised youth and ensure we have good schools, and the school to prison pipeline, and the high-stakes testing. these are some of the many ways

we can begin to address this crisis of racism in our communities. host: another foreign policy dealing with north korea. michael would like to hear what you feel about their plans regarding the increasing threat from north korea. ms. stein: great. number one, we actually need a peace treaty on the korean peninsula. right now, north korea feels very much embattled and like they could be invaded at any moment. we need to begin to move forward through dialogue as opposed to locking horns in this comfort tatian that seems to provoke only more radical behavior on

the part of north korea and we need to bring china in on this as well because china is not happy with the extreme and .rratic behavior of north korea we need to adopt a policy of threatsnt as opposed to and confrontation. when we have made progress of north korea in the past, it has and through sitting down having dialogue, not by having military exercises on their border and mock nuclear weapons on their border. host: what is america's greatest threat? america has think many threats right now. among them, i certainly think climate change cannot be dismissed. i think that is the world's greatest threat right now. in addition, america is very whicht risk right now

also consume almost half of your income taxes now are going to these wars which are creating failsafes, mass refugee migrations, and worse terror threats. what is the role of the u.s. military, what should it be? mr. baraka: it definitely should not be the role of defending the 1%. have a foreign policy that really represents the best values an interest of all of us .n this country the military is in place to provide security. what we are seeing with foreign policy over the last 16 years has been the military playing a role that has resulted in more insecurity.

believe in budget over 600 billion dollars is justifiable. we have to shift our values. , at: let's go to david supporter of hillary clinton. good evening. go ahead please. favor: dr. stein, you state reparations and other reparations. some estimates for reparations for slavery by a self were as high as $1 trillion. are you not worried about giving as much money away to one insist onroup would racial tensions. i'm asking this question as an african-american male. important it is an

question, david. there is currently legislation in congress that would establish look atsion that would the various forms of reparations can take. these are exactly the kinds of questions that need to be debated. slavery evolved into lynchings, jim crow, segregation, the war on drugs, redlining of communities, mass incarceration and police violence. the disparities are unconscionable and not going away. in many ways, they have gotten

worse over the past four to eight years. it's important we have got to sit down and we need a national conversation about this. we are also calling for a true and reconciliation commission to address not only bias and racism based on or directed toward african-americans, but also racism for latinos. we had inside a can come to terms with this. there is an illusion out there

that definitely are not. we need to share who we are and what we are going through and how we are going together as a community to go forward. woulddo you think that create another racial divide between blacks and white and hispanics in this country? ms. stein: i think that is what as a broadert down issue first. that is the role of the reparations. this is not just about bias and hatred against african-americans but against our other

disenfranchised groups as well. we need to put it all on the table and get past it. host: let me bring you in on this issue. mr. baraka: i think it's aborted to recognize that the process of repair is a process in which everyone impacted will have to be part of that process. will have a process employs in which everyone who had been harmed has been disentangled from this history as we disconnect and put our place it

in the place where we can transform society emily put ourselves in a place where we can transform our long-standing historical issues with the u.s. state and u.s. experience. health care.urn to as a physician yourself and two person isctors, this wondering how you would fix the affordable care act. ms. stein: it is a fix that has been discovered by every other industrialized developed nation out there and basically that for us would be an improved medicare for all systems. we already have medicare. this means we drop the age of the durability -- of eligibility during pregnancy so you are covered from cradle to grave, from head to tell whether it is your mental health care, your pharmaceuticals, your reproductive health care, your psychological care.

it is all included and your care is between you and the best -- your physician and your physician is your choice so you're no longer dictated by an insurance company which is looking to shortchange you in order to maximize its process. instead under medicare, it's about 2% rather than 25 percent that goes into overhead. that huge infusion of cash is what allows us to massively expand coverage so that everyone is covered for the same dollars that we are paying right now but instead, every dollar goes into health care, not into health profiteering. host: our conversation with dr. jill stein and ajamu baraka is being streamed on our web and carried on c-span radio. jim from texas, supporter of donald trump.

i have a question for jill's time. do you think the $20 trillion debt is a big problem and if so, how would you decrease it? ms. stein: thank you for asking. over theave learned past decade really but especially in recent years is that if you try to make severe cuts like in government programs and only increases the debt the economies don't recover. the real way to recover, the way we recovered from the great f and then, even the im federal reserve now have come onboard and issued reports saying that in order to get out of bed, the best way to do that is actually by investing in growing our economy. it's like in the second world war, the way we grew out of that

incredible debt was by actually investing in the economy and we outgrew the debt. that is what we need to do now and what we are calling for in the brand-new deal. it is actually liken it to dote, sent our jobsich overseas and closed our factories. instead, we would be investing in american workers and in jobs and creating the green economy, the technology and installations, the energy and food systems, public transit, you name it, all those things that create 20 million jobs that allow us to defeat climate change and grow our way out of this debt. host: a question on edward snowden from kevin. when you encourage government transparency? ms. stein: yes, definitely. whistleblowers are critical. they expose the doings inside of

our government and provide transparency that we should have and in the case of edward snowden, he exposed how we were beingspied on, all of us spied on without justification and without a warrant, without a legal process. this was being done behind our backs. in exposing this, he helped stimulate congress to take action. it hasn't gone far enough but it has begun. i think edward snowden is heroic . we owe him a debt of gratitude and i would certainly pardon him into ourto bring him administration to be able to advise on keeping security at as we respect our constitutional right to privacy. in the words of benjamin franklin, those who would do away with privacy and the name wind up losingl

them both. i know that when people go into service for government, they take a valid loyalty, and a look especially in the security services. toy taken out of loyalty protect and defend the constitution of the united states. yes he broke laws but in order to defend a higher law, the constitution. mr. baraka: what he did should have been covered under the whistleblower act. ae obama administration chose political decision. we believe you have to have individuals that have the courage to expose government

mischief and that is exactly what edward snowden did. host: don't you worry that your view of government mischief may be different from your view and then you have these individuals that have an clear from national security advisers have this information and they make a decision not following along -- the law? the decisionhat is the american people should make. why should chelsea manning be sitting in prison for exposing clear criminal behavior? if the state is allowed to determine who can expose we have a real problem with democracy then. host: let's move on to steve from wisconsin, a supporter of hillary clinton. i'm actually very sympathetic with the green party and jill stein but i believe it would be irresponsible in this

election to turn, to keep your self on the ballot in battleground states where you may have the effect of turning the election over to donald trump just as most political scientists believe that ralph nader turned over the election in florida. host: based on that point -- stay on the line. you said you wanted voters to invest in their vote so explain what that means and we will follow up with you with your question. ms. stein: it's important to look at where we are going. it's not just a moment in time but where has the strategy of voting for the lesser you will taken us? all these times you have been told to but for the lesser people because you didn't want the attack on immigrants or the massive bailout for wall street, that is actually what we have gotten. by the droves. we with public interest allow ourselves to be silent and voted

for the lesser people. the obama administration even with houses of congress actually as bad of these things as george bush in the case of climate blew the roof off all social omissions. all of the above gave us some renewable energy but it completely amplified and intensified our film production, which has been incredibly destructive to the climate. it is important to not just look at the rhetoric but also look at the track record and the reality is the lesser people and greater people is a race to the bottom and even donald trump in the right wing extremism grows out of the policies of the clintons, in particular nafta, which sent our jobs overseas and wall street deregulation, which blew 9 million jobs up into smoke. that is what is creating this

right wing extremism. it is now hillary clinton that wants to start an air war with russia over syria. .e have 2000 nuclear missiles they are saying we are closer to a nuclear war than we have ever been. under hillary clinton, we could slide into nuclear war very quickly from her declared policy in syria. i sure won't sleep well at night and hillary clinton elected. we have another choice other than these two candidates who are both promoting legal policies. on the issue of war and weasel weapons, it is actually hillary's policies which are much scarier than donald trump who does not want to go to war with russia. he wants to seek modes of is the together, which

root that we need to follow not to go into confrontation and nuclear war with russia. host: let's go back to stephen wisconsin. caller: i just want to ask geo if she will take our name off the ballot in battleground -- in jail if she will take her name off the ballot in battleground states show she won't turn it over to donald trump. ms. stein: are you ok with the nuclear war? a six month from now, we could be in a nuclear war with russia thanks to hillary's foreign policies. we have seen what hillary can do in libya. she says what she wants to do in syria. it's important not to drink the kool-aid. don't just be a victim of the propaganda. you really need to look at the track record and make a principled decision. if you decide you don't what to vote for me, then don't vote for me but voters have said they don't like those candidates. these are the most on trusted

candidates in our history. they don't want to be told to be good little boys and girls and keep voting for these two parties that have thrown them under the bus. as steve was mentioning, what we say is the biggest wasted vote is a vote for more of what is throwing under the bus. invest your vote in a true social movement for real change. host: i will cover some of the same material we did in our first hour to talk about the supreme court. the justices you would put on the supreme court? whostein: we need justices recognize money is not speech and corporations are not people who are willing to stand up not only to stop citizens united and stop the rift that began even before citizens united with other supreme court decisions a said if you are rich, you get to buy out the political system.

the supreme court justices on the side of people, not on the side of big money. also justices to defend immigrant rights that will vigorously defend voter rights against voter id laws and other efforts that just enfranchise take away our constitutional rights to vote. also the supreme court justices that support women's rights and women's right to choose as well as workers rights. is there a justice currently on the core that fits that model? ms. stein: not in my opinion. host: let me ask you about the issue of black lives matter. what would you say to those people that say all lives matter? mr. baraka: of course all lives matter. but the black lives matter demand is a reflection of the fact that in reality, black lives do not matter here in the united states and really in most

parts of the world. the slogan and the movement is an attempt to ensure that people understand that there will be a struggle to ensure that black lives do matter in reality. it is not saying black lives matter more than anybody else, but it doesn't say black people have value, black people are not going to allow themselves to be victimized by a powerful state that appears not to have any concern for their lives. programs thatbe reflect the state of black lives matter, that will be reflected in policies. it says that for there to be real social justice in this country, that you have to have a blacky in which indeed lives and the value of black lives is reflected. john joiningo to

us from maryland, a supporter of dr. jill stein. caller: good evening. thank you, dr. stein for everything you are doing. what specific strategies are you implementing to battle the media blackout that is colluding from both sides and the media together to suppress any third party voice, let alone someone as progressive and outspoken to power as you guys are? another follow-up is what other strategies can you recommend for your supporters to help spread your message? much.ein: thank you so on both counts regarding the media blackout and our campaign, please go to our website, jill2016.com. media andur social join the team. in particular, join our campaign for open debate, sign up as a

volunteer, make a donation, whatever you can afford. 29 for stein is like the for bernieonation sanders, 27, is that we have been getting a lot of. we are at a moment in history where the house of cards is falling down and people are looking for options. i take it as a great complement that the media is so afraid of us that they are working out great lengths to try to silence us and we, our campaign above all others, has really been shut out. 76% of americans are clamoring for an open debate. there is one more debate to go and we will push hard. democracy now yesterday featured my responses to the today questions. you can help let people know about that and view that on our website or on democracy now's website and stop join the team. the wind is at our backs and

or nearly 5%hold in many of the polls, which by millennials.t cap they just cap likely voters so we may be running a good deal better than what the polls show. if you get to 5%, you have a whole lot of financial support as a legitimate party, which would be a real game changer and enable us to build. the other thing to her member is there are 43 million young people right now who are trapped in student loan debt. our campaign is the only way out and just by spreading the word among young people holding student debt, that is enough to win the election if that word gets out because 43 million people in debt is a winning plurality of the vote. so get the word out and we say reject the lesser people and fight for the greater good like our lives depend on it.

if elected, would you fly on air force one? ms. stein: yes. host: it obviously uses a lot of fuel. ms. stein: that is right. we certainly would be pushing for innovations in the air and flight industry. towards more sustainable fuel and air flight. we are not quite there yet and it will take a great deal of research to get there. when there are other options, we would do that but if you are president, you need to travel and you need to be there at the table and i would certainly do that. on the other hand, there are many other energy reductions that we would take both in the white house but as a matter of national policy as well. host: on the issue of climate and energy, is there one country that is a role model you think the u.s. needs to emulate? ms. stein: germany, for example. thanks to the german green party

, germany just adopted now the goal of phasing out fossil fuel 2030.automobiles by they have been able to transition much of their energy wind. to solar and i believe the netherlands is doing very well as well. simply by making it a priority and by having a green party that is part of the government has been able to move forward. host: dakota has this question. what individuals would you consider in your cabinet? , onstein: for example secretary of state, we would certainly consider someone like adea benjamin, who is already world traveler and an advocate for just and peaceful relations

with other countries. codeis medea benjamin of pink. there are a variety of distinguished economic advisers from ellen brown, who wrote the web of debt, to richard wolf, who is a renowned economist, to jack rasmus, a labor economist that we would consider for secretary of the treasury as economicorehead of the council of advisors and chair of the federal reserve. a supporter of donald trump. good evening. caller: i want to hear your opinion on the federalization of police. also --

the: we couldn't hear second part. first, the military's issue and of the police force around the country. mr. baraka: i think it is one of the biggest challenges we have that over the course of the last decade or so, we have had something like $4 billion worth of military hardware transferred from the federal government to various police forces on the state of local level. the result has been this tremendous militarization of the police force. along with that hardware has been a shift in the attitude and the training of the military forces, police forces. we believe that has to stop. there is no justification for that kind of hardware to be transferred to local police forces. agenda,here is another

the police are supposed to be in place to protect and serve. theyuestion is who are protecting and serving because it's clear they are not serving and protecting the vast majority of black and poor people in this country. we want to see a reversal of that process. the courageous organizers from black lives matter met with asked forobama and the 1030 three program to stop. he refused. there were some modifications by that program continues. along with the training of various police forces by what we consider to be repressive governments like israel. joining us from anchorage, alaska, good evening. you,r: i want to thank

mrs. stein or your effort to make things better. in twoa question that is parts. one is directed toward c-span and one is directed to this stein team. that is that i would like to see a debate that would have all presidential candidates, but i would like to see dr. jill baraka'somments, dr. comments as well because i don't think the entire country is aware of the value and interest of the information you guys provide. i am a start supporter of the stein campaign. the stein supporters may have known that there is a big movement here in alaska that is going on. i would like to see sometimes of debate between the major and the green party because obviously, we are on the

right track because we are doing everything correct. the question i have for you, dr. stein, is is there a possibility that you can engage corporations to get them to realize that the rights of voters must be protected and they must work together with the community to allow them to place referendums and valid initiatives before the voters on election day? host: thank you for the call. ms. stein: those are terrific questions. i want to give props to c-span time for creating this the public to hear us. they did the same for gary johnson and i think they attempted to bring us together in a debate but weren't able to do that. i know the democratic and republican candidates refuse to debate us because they are

running scared. officest time iran for running for governor in massachusetts, we were able to fight our way into the debate because the massachusetts public was tearing its hair out having to listen to this scam of the debate, the mockery of the debate. we fought our way into a televised debate and i was actually win her of that debate on an instant online viewer call at which point i was yanked out of the debate because it confirmed their fears that if the public hears what we are talking about -- i'm the only candidate for president that is not being funded by corporate money, by lobbyists, and doesn't have a super pac. our campaign is the only one that really has the liberty to stand up for everyday people byause we are not controlled corporate america. that is why we are such a threat and that is why they won't let us into the debate and why they

refuse to debate us. actuallyo stand up and build our power. corporations are not going to give it to us. their legal responsibility is to maximize their office for their shareholders. that is what they do. when this country began, corporations have to get charters. they still have to get charters but they used to be dissolved. they have a limited time stamp in corporations would get a great financial advantages. they had to justify what they were doing in the public interest and if they failed to improve public interest, their charters were canceled and their charters automatically terminated in any event but now they become these monsters of economic power. we have to organize ourselves. they will not hand it to us on a silver plat are. as you pointed out, we are seeing it all over the country. we are getting organized and we

are not going away. i encourage you and others be a part of this. you can have a revolutionary campaign and a counterrevolutionary party like the democratic party so join us at the green party and in this campaign at jill2016.com. ist: yet bernie sanders telling his supporters to vote for hillary clinton. ms. stein: he is but it's interesting the bernie ost as many are supporting our campaign as our hillary clinton. host: rachel from tennessee, good evening. hello, how are you? i have some questions regarding the foreign policy. really participation within our state department and in