and i don't think you did. on the at is brian republican line. last call on incivility in this cs and last call for program, as well. another edition comes you're way 7:00 tomorrow. for watching. see you then. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] ♪ >> live today at 12:30 p.m. eastern, a conversation about brexit and the impact they can have on your. we will be hearing from the ambassadors from germany, france, and the european union at the georgetown university law center in washington, d.c.

and then an update on where he peace talks stands between the government and the largest rebel group live at 2:00 p.m. eastern. and then road from the white house live from green bay wisconsin where donald trump will be holding a rally. one of the most closely watched congressional races in the country is the ohio u.s. senate race between republican and incumbent rob portman and his democratic challenger former governor rod strickland. this is one hour. >> with only 24 days left until the election, the u.s. senate race in ohio comes to the forefront with the first of three debates between rob portman and ted strickland. recent polls put portman out front. a baldwin wallace poll on

wednesday shows portman has 48%. strickland with 36% and 17% still undecided. a real clear politics average shows a larger gap with portman up by 14 points. the panelists for today include wfmj anchord 21 derek stier, david skolnik, leslie barrett, glenn stevens, and bob black. this first debate will include questions from voters with topics ranging from national politics to the heroin epidemic, social security, and affordable health care. steier. moderator derek derek: good afternoon. we come to you live from the wf mj studios in downtown

youngstown. the format is as follows. the panelists will ask the question of the candidate. the opposing candidate has 90 seconds to respond. giving the initial candidate 30 seconds for rebuttal. gentlemen, would you like to shake hands? >> sure. opening and closing statements were decided by a coin toss. senator portman, you have your opening statement. sen. portman: one was to watch the penguins beat south dakota and the other was to visit a steel plant to talk about the legislation that is helping that steel plant bring back jobs. i've been an independent voice for ohio. we are going to hear two very distinct records today with two distinct policy proposals for the future. i'm proud of the work that we have done. 45 of my bills have been signed into law. this is legislation where i worked with democrats and republicans alike and reached

across the aisle and found common ground. that's what i said i would do when i ran for election in my term and that's exactly what first i've done. i have taken the lead on this scourge of the heroin, the epidemic that has gripped the state and the valley. see has lost her daughter. she has taken her grief and channeled it into things that are constructive, including writeg people like me the comprehensive addiction and recovery act. i'm running for people like teresa flores, a victim of human trafficking from columbus, ohio, who has worked with me and others to pass for different bills that i wrote to help the victims cracked down on traffickers. mike told me the other day how important it is that our legislation helps them to keep his job and other jobs at the steel plant to level the playing field. this is what i'm proud of, but i also realize that there's a lot

more to do. the middle-class squeeze is real. this is the weakest economic recovery since the second world war. people are working harder but their wages are flat, even declining on average. on the other hand, expenses are up. the highest expense of all is health care. we have seen a doubling, practically, of health care costs in ohio under obamacare. i'm working as an independent voice for ohio to fight for these people and will continue to do that if i'm given the honor to be reelected for the next six years. derek: thank you, senator. mr. strickland, your opening statement. gov. strickland: thank you for hosting this debate. family that new a lot of struggles, but we survived because we loved and cared for each other. my family lost their first home, destroyed by a flood. the second was lost to hard times. the third home, when i was five years of age, burned to the ground. my dad was a hard-working

steelworker. my mom raised nine kids. i was the first in my family to be able to go to college. i learned at a very early age what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck and how just one bad break can lead to real hardship. that is why i have spent my life as a minister, a teacher, a psychologist, a congressman, and as your governor, fighting for working people. that is who i will fight for in the senate. the rob portman story is a different kind of story. it's a story of wealth, power, and privilege. mr. portman joined with multinational corporations to pass nafta, costing hundreds of jobs in ohio, many of them out of this valley. he was the proud sponsor of cafta, calling himself the quarterback of cafta.

he voted 14 times to give china most-favored-nation trade status. and then he came to this valley a few weeks ago. he put on his hard hat and got a photo op at a steel plant. what he should have done is gotten down on his knees and apologize to the people of the valley for sending their jobs to places like china and mexico. in this debate you will see differences between the two of us. i have always fought for working people. is doing whatn he's always done, looking out for the wealthy, the powerful, the washington insiders, and wall street powerbrokers. derek: our first question from the panel is from glenn. it is directed at senator portman. glenn: you have been characterized as a washington insider with millions of special interest dollars being spent on your behalf at a time when voters in general say that they are tired of outside influences

in politics and public policy. what do you say to the people of ohio to let them know that you are a senator of the people and not with special interest? sen. portman: i've been an independent voice for ohio and i've actually accomplish a lot. the 45 bills i talked about included the work i've talked about in those issues. human trafficking, the drug abuse problems happening here in the valley. what i have done is bring back jobs and protect jobs. i would ask people to look at my record, which is something that i did do at the company in war, ohio. when i went into the plant the united steel workers that were there thanked me profusely for what i've done. i passed legislation that helps make their lives better and i'm proud of that. a couple of years ago they had a steel case where there was some dumping coming in from six other countries around the world. i stood up for them in support of that case. they won the case. now they are trying to enforce that case with my legislation.

yes, we got the tariffs in place, but then some countries were moving to another to circumvent them. i wrote the legislation to stop that. and it's working. they thanked me. they are right now in the process of getting relief thanks to my legislation. senator brown is the other senator from ohio who helped to level the playing field act, changing and in-store quite -- in a historic way the way you deal with trade cases. and plant that makes the hot and cold rolled steel. they're all benefiting from the level the playing field act legislation. it is actually winning cases. we just had three victories the summer. the folks in cleveland told me they are bringing back 70 people thanks to our legislation. what i've done consistently and it is my record is that i've worked across the aisle and i

get stuff done. i am a common sense conservative focuses on results. i am proud of the work we have done to help people. you will hear a lot of rhetoric and partisan attacks. you have heard some from my opponent. he doesn't want to talk about his record. i don't blame him. if i had his record, i wouldn't want to talk about it either. 350,000 jobs lost when he was governor. 47 other governors figured out what couldn't. i help working families in ohio. derek: response? mr. strickland: when i left off ohio, it had the fifth fastest-growing economy in america. i am proud of that. senator portman talks about being bipartisan, but he wasn't bipartisan when president obama nominated a man to fill the supreme court vacancy. he refused to give him a hearing and a vote. he wasn't bipartisan when he was -- present obama was trying to negotiate the iran deal to prevent nuclear proliferation in that country. he wrote a letter, he wrote a letter to the ayatollah, and in the midst of these negotiations, undercutting the efforts of our

country in this incredibly important foreign-policy endeavor, and newspapers across ohio called it things like disgraceful diplomacy, and it was disgraceful in my judgment. now, he was george bush's trade representative for a while. there was a recommendation from the international trade organization that action be taken against china for manipulating their currency. he said that would be counterproductive. when he was in a position to really make a difference for the people of ohio and this valley, he always sided with the rich and the powerful to the detriment of the people of ohio. that is his record. derek: senator portman. 30 seconds for rebuttal. sen. portman: these partisan attacks are a sign of desperation. and we heard what the poll numbers are, but it doesn't give you the right to say things that aren't true.

you know that is not true. here is what is true. not only when he was governor did we have a terrible economy where we were 48th in the country in job creation, where we did lose 350,000 jobs, where we had higher on a plane and the best unemployment than the national average, but when he was in a position to do something as a united states congressman, i mentioned i passed 45 bills that became law. guess how many he wrote that became law? zero. derek: thank you, senator. our next question comes from leslie. this one is to mr. strickland ./ leslie: in cincinnati, there are 174 overdoses in just six days. there is a photo of a couple overdosed in the front seat, the four-year-old child in the backseat. it shines a light on how bad the heroin epidemic is. as governor, you make cuts to addiction services to balance the budget during the recession. why should voters had confidence in you you would support of a diction -- addiction services

if you were elected to u.s. senate? gov. strickland: if you look at my total years in office, that actually increased funding for those services. there was a time during the last two-year period when we face recession, and my opponent talks about ohio losing 350,000 jobs. he refuses to acknowledge america lost over 8 million jobs as a result of the national recession, that he had more to do with than i because he was george bush's budget director in the years leading up to the economic collapse. i am familiar with this drug problem because i lost my great-nephew a few months ago to oxycontin overdose. i was a psychologist before i became a politician. i work with people who suffer from addictions. it is a scourge. when i was governor, i started the prescription drug task force because much of this drug abuse begins with prescription drug s initially, when people get

hooked on legally prescribed medications that prescription is no longer available or is too costly, they tend to gravitate toward a drug like heroin. it is a huge, huge problem. if i were in the senate, i would vote for the resources necessary for local communities like this community to fight it. senator portman boasts about his concern for this issue, but let me tell you the truth. when it came time to vote for the funding, for the very bill that he boasts about, he voted against it, but that is not unusual. in the omnibus bill, he not only boastedosted -- about that, but he boasted about 13 other problems he said he addressed, and he voted against the bill, the funding for his own bill. communities need help. they need resources. they need funding. if i were in the senate, i would be supporting that funding. derek: thank you.

senator portman response. , asen. portman: you are right. when governor strickland was governor, he cut drug addiction treatment services by 33%. that was a time when the prescription drug epidemic was getting going in ohio. it led to the heroin epidemic. i have taken issue on this for over 20 years. i started my own anti-drug coalition back in cincinnati that i chaired for nine years. i'm still very active in that . 174 overdoses in cincinnati. i have been to two firehouses to talk about the first responders that save lives. unbelievably of those people overdosed sadly, tragically, five or six died, the rest were saved by a brave first responder who responded with narcan, a miracle drug to reverse the effects. my legislation, the comprehensive prediction recovery act, we worked on for three years. we brought in experts from all over the country.

it is a story for the first time ever with congress taking a comprehensive approach on this issue to turn the tide on this terrible epidemic that has hit the valley and the number one state. it's the number one cause of death in ohio surpassing car accident. i'm proud of the work we have done. our approach, education, treatment, recovery, providing them the narcan and training they need and changing the attitude about this issue so that people look at addiction as a disease that needs to be treated like other diseases and to take away the stigma. that's the most important thing about our legislation. it is now being implemented. i got $33 million into the short term spending bill in effect now until december. that was extraordinary because there was no normal exceptions to a bill like that. normally it is spending the previous year. i was able to fight to get that and there despite the white house not suggesting it, others pushing back, because it is so important to address this. i believe it's an emergency and it must be addressed. derek: mr. strickland. gov. strickland: i applaud the

senator calling attention to this terrible scourge of drug addiction, but i also think it is fair to point out, and i would ask fact checkers to look into this, he voted against the funding of his bill. he voted against the omnibus bill, and he sent out 14 press releases in the week and a half or so before the bill was voted on, taking credit for funding to clean up lake erie, 14 press releases, and he voted against the funding because he did not have the courage to bite the bullet and actually support the things he felt were important. he let others cast their votes to carry the water for them. derek: can you respond to that? leslie has a follow up. leslie: why did you vote against the omnibus bill with $70 million for funding? sen. portman: i was able to get a lot of great things into legislation and ohio.

i added jobs to nasa glenn, and innkly the democrats congress were trying to cut them and move them to another state. i did support legislation for to ensure that care to be refunded. i want to the appropriators and said we are going to pass this legislation. it is such an emergency, so let's put the funding in in advance. i am proud of that. i fought for ohio as an independent voice for ohio. the legislation was a grab bag of all kinds of appropriation bills thrown together, much of which i couldn't support and busted the budget gaps and had $20,000 in gimmicks. when governor strickland was in the house, he voted against the same kind of bills because it doesn't make any sense. i knew it was going to pass because the votes are there because leadership puts these together in the dark of the night without input. there is no hearings, nobody reads the bills. people in ohio lost their pensions because the bill, the

omnibus bill from the previous year. derek: thank you, senator. the next question is from bob directed to senator portman. bob: the air force reserve base is vital to the future of the mahoning valley. the aircraft at the base is aging and needs to be replaced, but as far -- thus far the pentagon has refused to offer a new aircraft to replace the c130j we are talking about. what can you do to get new aircraft assigned to the air base, and what can you do to ensure the future of the airbase? gov. strickland: that's a great question. it's a treasure to our community . i've been out twice and last couple months and it is amazing . it is an airbase that provides an important airlift capability for the military. it is the only fixed wing operation in the country for the

military. if you think about the zika virus, spraying to eradicate mosquitoes, this is where they play an essential role. i have been very aggressive helping them, working with tim ryan, a congressman here locally. we were able to get $9.4 million into the appropriations bill to create a new firing range. i was there last week looking at the old firing range again and it is dilapidated and needs to be replaced. that will help us in the future when there may be another base closing. by the way, the navy, the marines, and reservists and local law enforcement will use it. it will be important. the new aircraft, i am pushing for them to have it. i got legislation into the defense authorization bill, the bill that directs the pentagon, to say they have to use creative ways to find funding for bases like ours. there are four or five in similar situations, not many senators cared about it. i was able to get that legislation in with a democrat

from montana. and we have given the air force for the first time the authority to upgrade those planes, avionics, safety. those reservists are awesome, but they need to have a better airplane. the c-130s out there now is two or three decades old. we have got to make their own machine parts included the spring because they are not made anymore. i'm proud of it and i continue to look forward to working on a it. derek: your response. gov. strickland: the senator likes to filibuster. he has gone over his time twice. i would just like to point that out. i would like to say the senator likes to make observations about my time as governor. and i'm happy to talk about that, but i take responsibility for what i have done and for what i haven't done. and i think that is what citizens expect out of their senators.

now he really didn't answer your question. i don't think he answered your question about why he didn't support the very bill that he boasts about. he expects others to carry his water, to actually cast their votes, and take the risk and be strong enough, brave enough to actually vote. and then he benefits from the votes they cast, and he travels around ohio taking credit for it. i think it is weak leadership. the base is important. when i was governor, i was out there a lot. when i was governor, i went to the secretary of the air force and advocated for the facility in springfield, ohio. it takes personal engagement and involvement and it takes the ability to work with others. i think i demonstrated that as governor that i would do that and i would put my efforts,

energies, and the prestige of the office into advocating for the people that i care about. derek: thank you, mr. strickland. next from the panel, david. this is a question for mr. strickland. david: you were governor during the great recession. while you shouldn't be blamed for the national economic collapse, only two states lost more jobs than ohio during your administration. why did the state lag so behind under your leadership, and shouldn't you accept some of that responsibility? gov. strickland: of course, i should accept response ability and i haven't denied responsibility for anything i did when i was governor. that is the way i am. but the fact is, david, we did lose a lot of jobs, and we lost more jobs than some states because of the nature of our economy. we are a heavily manufacturing state. as i pointed out earlier, nafta and cafta and the trade deals had a particular detrimental benefit on our state. i think we need to look at the

entire picture while i was governor. the recession hit in 2008-2009. by the time i left office, ohio had the fastest growing economy in the midwest, and the fastest growing, fifth fastest in america. we took a big hit during the recession. everyone knows that. people lost jobs, homes, people lost hope, but it is fair to point out i did not cause that, and i worked hard to keep our state in a stable position, and with the help of senator brown and barack obama and the stimulus that we got, we were able to invest in communities like youngstown and other communities across the state so that i gave john kasich a recovering economy, and i am glad i did that, and i did it because i made tough choices, and we, i left office at a time when ohio was on the road to recovery, and we are experiencing that even today.

derek: thank you, mr. strickland. senator portman, your response. sen. portman: it's a fair question and he left john kasich something else. he left john kasich and $8 billion record deficit. he took rainy day fund down to $.89, and of those jobs that left ohio, nine out of 10 of them went to other states. so he is blaming it somehow on trade agreements? nine out of 10 of them went to other states. we were up in toledo, your colleagues wrote a story in the blade about factories that left in the last couple years just from that area toledo, and he is quoted in the story saying, you are right, we were too slow to respond. we were not efficient enough to respond. the mayors of northwest ohio said we never heard from the governor. we never had any incentive packages on the ohio side. the indiana folks said we offered incentive packages.

that is fair to talk about. i know he doesn't want to talk about his record, and i don't blame him. i would want to either. but 350,000 jobs were lost. 47 other governors figured it out better than we did. this is why you know, when ted strickland talks about helping working families, he is all about working families, i think about those working families. i think about the guys that i was just with, and the people who were left behind in that economy, 350,000 jobs lost aren't just numbers, these are people, families, kids who gave up hope. thanks to kasich and the republican legislature, they did cut taxes rather than raising taxes. they cut a lot of regulations. they are done things to get the economy moving and it has made a difference. gov. strickland: i hope the fact checkers check what you just said about leaving an $8 billion

deficit. that is not true. i'm required to balance the budget and i balanced the budget. now just let me say we can go maybe 3000 yards from where we are this morning, and we can he lost as ajobs were result of these bad trade deals . there has never been a trade deal that this man did not cheerlead. "the columbus dispatch" said he never met a free trade deal he didn't embrace. senator portman, we did have a national recession. it was caused by washington and wall street. you were the budget director for george w. bush in the two or three years leading up to that recession. you need to accept responsibility for that job loss as well. derek: gentlemen, we now have a couple of questions submitted to us by voters. the first is from cassandra peterson from youngstown. she ask "wherdo youtand o

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whe me ayroth foilueengyysmowd neblengy heoto eaup ngss core inowoin evy rtf eisici topelesk mowane t ngssorngga f t people? not big corporations or lobbyists, but for the people. my work,me of you from our work together, pushing for a fracking been in new york state. it is one of the most extraordinary environmental, epic -- economic in recent decades. i know from fighting against cableg or taking on companies or fighting against corruption in albany and washington. i have always been an independent fighter. i never have and never will eitherthe orders from political party bosses or big corporations or big donors.

andok forward to the debate a real opportunity to have an open exchange of ideas. thank you. >> we foot decor and to see who would get the first question and he goes to mr. john fatso. faso.n voters, thendent difference is 1% p or and why should someone who is independent or undecided vote for you instead of your opponent? a. faso: i have laid out plan to finally end the 50-year-old mistake, opposing the burden on property taxpayers of medicaid. new york is one of the only states in the country where your county property tax ill, a

significant portion, is going to pay for mandated medicaid costs where in most other states, you do not have to bear the burden. we have to get control of property taxes and i laid out a ton to do that, also a plan follow-up on chris gibson's efforts to continue to work online deceive -- on lyme disease. essential for us to get a hold of this disease and prevent its spread. most importantly, i have laid out a strategy for protecting america. our national security. we have to rebuild our defenses and make sure our military is second to none. we have to make sure our intelligence and diplomatic presence is respected and well-known throughout the world. it is important we keep america safe. independent,oter, democrat, republican, to

consider my credentials and my platform. ms. teachout: i am pretty independent. i ran against andrew cuomo. i have been critical of my own party leaders. i have built a campaign with an average can't of $19. not with egg donors. i spent my life fighting against corruption. we have the shackles kind and the perfectly legal kind. when i talk to people throughout this district, there is an independent spirit. people are looking for someone who will fight for people in this district and not take orders from elsewhere. my opponent's campaign is funded in a different way. there are two donors who gave $500,000. new york city hedge fund or's who gave half $1 million each to fund the super pac.

you have probably seen the attack ads. there is a problem with money in politics where egg money is drowning out the money of mom-and-pop. big money and big lobbyists are drowning out the voices of the people. there is a lot more common sense the ground that there is among political elites. my opponent is a career politician. he became a lobbyist and continues to take a pension of $40,000 a year while getting paid as a lobbyist. he is part of the system that is not working. i come from an independent background and i will keep that up when i am in congress. moderator: we will start with our panel. joe mahoney will lead it out. you mentioned you have a record of taking a leaders. the top of your ticket is hillary clinton. in the past you have written a couple of critical articles of involvement with the clinton foundation and i believe that was a couple of months before you got into the race. more information has come out

about foreign entities donating money to the clinton foundation, meetings being set up i clinton foundation staff when she was serving as the secretary of state. do you still have reservations about her at this point now that she is at the top of your party's ticket? ms. teachout: i support hillary clinton. i'm going to vote for her. i have been critical. when i am in congress, i'm going to keep being critical on the things i disagree with. i have been concerned about foreign involvement in elections for a long time. i was writing about it in 2009. it is something we have to take

very seriously. i think part of the job of being a representative is not paying attention to who is at the top of the ticket but saying what is the interest of the people? i am actually proud that some of the criticisms that i and others raised about asking the clintons more about overturning citizens united have come more to the four of her own campaign where farm -- campaign platform. there is a difference between myself and my opponent in our relationship to the top of the ticket. i am clear where i stand. this past week you have seen donald trump boast about sexual assault. my opponent has not had the courage to denounce trump, still supports the ticket, and does not seem to trust voters enough to tell them who he is actually going to vote for on election day. i think you have to tell people where you stand. moderator: mr. faso, you have 45 seconds. mr. faso: ms. teachout, who moved into the area in may, never pay property taxes.

which he made that criticism she was a resident of brooklyn. her campaign has been built on deceit and deception. the ad she has in the motorboat is based on deception and not on truth. if you can't trust a candidate to tell the truth about the small things, how can you trust them to tell the truth about things that matter? i have a voting record in the legislature of 97% and ms. teachout and her allies continue to misrepresent. the lack of clarity belies her statement. moderator: the next goes to karen witt. >> you said you do not endorse donald trump but you do support the republican ticket. you also said you are not sure who you're going to vote for. you are aware that the controversy of accusations of sexual harassment seems to be growing by the day. what is your position on trump anti-eu back the gop slate? mr. faso: i said last year when

i started to run when there were 17 gop candidates and i did not choose a candidate to support during that primary process. i would support the nominee of my party. that is still the case. i could not support mrs. clinton because i have significant policy differences. i'm closer to mr. trump on economics and policy. he has put forth a list of supreme court nominees, one of which i actually know. i am troubled by many of the things i have heard. the statements that were made on that 11 year old tape are reprehensible. they are horrible. i as a father and a husband are extremely disconcerted by those statements.

the voters are intelligent enough to decide the race for president. they will decide for the race for congress in the 19 district. do you want someone who has dedicated his life to someone to working for issues in this district or someone who is parachuted in from brooklyn? do they want someone who wants a free market economy, that wants to grow the small business sector, or someone who basically subscribes to socialistic points of view for the economy? my position has been clear from the start. i will support the republican ticket, but i do have qualms about many of the things that have been said. ms. teachout: you know, i actually have a lot of sympathy for principled republicans who are dealing with what donald trump has said. it is not just now. it has been clear for a wild. he called women takes and dogs,

the description he had in the tape that we all heard is really disgusting. and the stories that have come out of women who are basically verifying that this posting of sexual assault was something that he himself did is more than distressing, more than qualm-causing. i believe he is not fit to be president and i do believe it is important stash we all have policy differences. but there is a point where the country has to come first. it has to come before political party. moderator: we are out of time for that. next question. >> the 19th district's sprawling at the northern end. includes the community of hoosier falls which has been dealing with the water contamination crisis. we have been getting questions

about pfoa. what does government, state or federal, need to do for the people? this that include long-term by monitoring? as a related question, would you support congressional hearings to look at new york's response to the crisis? ms. teachout: for those of you who have not been following in who sick falls, please start paying attention. it is a real crisis. i've spent time at the hearings, in petersburg there was recently mothers of people in flint who came and met with mothers in hoosick falls and they talk about parenting and the shame when they cannot take care of their children the way they like to. one of the stories that got to me was a mother from hoosick falls saying i have been breast-feeding my child for the last two years because i thought

that would be the most healthy and the best thing for him and now it turns out that tricking the water was actually poisoning him. the hearings with the state have been extremely frustrating. we have to move toward solution. i support biomonitoring. i think the companies have to pay for the health cost and i think we have to look hard at what epa can do so we can classify new chemicals that may actually be very similar to the ones that are happening, that exist in hoosick falls in petersburg. i have called for hearings, including congressional hearings with subpoena power, so we can finally get to the bottom of what happened, but we also have to immediately bring real solutions to bear because these are communities in pain. mr. faso: i have been up to hoosick falls and to petersburg. i have spoken to many local residents and officials as well. i think that the companies responsible should be held

accountable. the state's response was terrible. that state did not respond appropriately. i think that is a subject of oversight hearings. i think it is also important to note that the toxic substances act at the federal level has been modernized for the first time in 40 years. that would allow us to categorize so-called orphan chemicals that have not been tested satisfactorily. that is something that was done this last year in congress. it is important. i fully support it. we have to keep on monitoring hoosick falls and petersburg. moderator: joe mahoney is next. joe: it concerns the economic problems we are having trouble of state region -- upstate

region. many counties have lost population in the past decade. the two counties that have lost the most population percentagewise are here in the 19th and that would be delaware and scary county. we have also lost clout in washington having lost two members of congress because of the population trend that has big ongoing. what ideas can you offer to ring about economic recovery for this region, attract more people to it, and to keep young people here to give them opportunities that they are apparently not

getting right now? mr. faso: tax reform at the federal level is vitally important. the incentives for small business about immediately expensing new investments, plants, and equipment. that is critical to allow the private sector to grow. we need reference in the capital watershed area. i have been involved in that issue for months. in the years when i was in the legislature. we need to be able to revitalize the bluestone mining industry which is being regulated to death. they are being regulated as if they are giant entities when it is a very small, discrete, homemade kind of industry. vitally important that we more closely -- work closely to get new york city to be more cooperative in the catskill region. delaware county, part of all-star county, they are deeply impacted by the new york city watershed and i am involved. one thing i would not support which my opponent supports which will kill the economy is a carbon tax on energy. she wants to raise taxes on propane, heating oil, diesel, and gasoline. this would be a disaster for our state and our economy, upstate in particular. she just moved here from brooklyn. she does not realize that people use home heating oil to heat their homes. those things they may not have in brooklyn. those are carbon-intensive uses that will really hurt us with higher prices, with smith's teachout -- ms. teachout supports. ms. teachout: john faso has

totally mischaracterized my position. the real difference between john faso and myself on fossil fuels is i don't believe that the big fossil fuel companies should be allowed to pollute our air and water for free. the proposal i support is called fair dividend. you can look it up online but i want to address your question. the heart and soul of our district is independent businesses. what some people call the farmer of the middle, that in between farm that isn't getting the support from the federal

government that the big farms out westar. honestly, on independent businesses, all democrats and republicans have a lot of work to do. karen: ms. teachout anticipated my question because it is about farmers. many farmers are hurting financially. low milk prices have been putting dairy farmers out of business. what specific steps would you take to make family farms profitable? mr. faso: i grew up -- ms. teachout: i grew up in the terry community. my family had sheep and chickens but we had working dairy farms. i was a teenager during the dairy crisis of the 1980's, which had a huge impact on me. i talked to terry farmers every week. the prices are not high enough to stay in the business. it is a real issue.

what kills me is seeing california dairy products in our stores when we have extraordinary farmland right here. there are a few really important things. in the next farm bill, who was the farm bill really serving? the subsidies, they are going out west. there is a lot of research on this. 75% of the subsidies are going to the top 10% of farms. it is not helping the farms that make up our communities. the second thing is dealing with the red tape, dealing with health care costs, which are really high. we have to address self-employment.

also taking on the distributors that are pushing a lot of the prices down and you have more and more concentration, more monopolization in the farming industry, which makes it harder and harder for independent farmers to have real options when they're trying to get their stuff to market. what we have structurally is proximity to a big market. there is incredible opportunities here. we have got to invest in them. mr. faso: agriculture is vitally important to this district. one thing that they don't want with ms. teachout supports is the 15 dollar minimum wage. the new york farms will be priced out of business. they don't need high energy taxes. diesel in your tractor, home

heating oil, propane. the people that devised free and dividend said it is a carbon tax. the fact that ms. teachout does not understand, because she has hardly lived here, what it means to people to winters ago had to pay four dollars a gallon for home heating oil. she does not get it. casey: two john faso, one of the issues that chris gibson, the incumbent in the district, has championed has been lyme disease treatment and research. the question i got on facebook asks what is your plan for helping new york coping with the treatment issue with the lime disease epidemic? mr. faso: there is legislation right now which he is trying to get adopted in the final days of congress after the election which would address the need for treatment and long-term care for people with lyme disease and also open ourselves up to alternative treatments and to make sure there is proper peer-review from a variety of medical experts who are dealing with lyme disease patients to understand the various ways in which drugs can be used in various treatments that can be brought to bear. this is something that is critical in the 21st century, which i hope is going to be enacted before the end of the congress and i will continue that effort. i think it is vitally important we expand medical research and other areas. alzheimer's, als, cancer in a variety of forms. it is finally important that the federal government support medical research and this is a bipartisan consensus to do this. there's a bipartisan desire from constituents all across the country. it does not discriminate between democrats and republicans. we need to fight this and the federal government needs to fund basic research and we need to make sure we have alternative

protocols available so diseases like lyme can be treated properly. ms. teachout: this is a huge crisis. we actually put out a video, which i encourage people to watch, about the real hidden crisis and hidden epidemic of lyme disease. chris gibson has been an extraordinary leader on elevating lyme and pushing for research and funding, which there is way too little of. those who suffer from lyme disease know how little funding there is. i talked to a teacher in ulster county about her crawling from her bed in gastric pain because of the treatment protocol. she was unable to have a child. i talked to parents worried about kids playing in the grass. we have to address this head on. moderator: the next question goes to joe mahoney. joe: how would you grapple with the issue of these millions of people living in the shadows in this country?

they apparently got here -- they can prove they got here illegally, so they could be deported. do you support a pathway to citizenship for these folks? what should we be doing about immigration reform? ms. teachout: i do. i support basically the compromise version of the senate bill that came up a couple years ago. this is a proposal for comprehensive immigration reform, which is really important. richard hanna, the farm bureau, business leaders, immunity leaders, farm leaders all came together and said we can work this out. we can come to a position where

we address what is happening in this country in a comprehensive way. i think that is the way to go. talking to people throughout the -- district there is a general consensus that that is the way to go. what we have to addresses people like donald trump -- address is people like donald trump, who have a rash, irresponsible approach to immigration. people are responding to a sense of desperation in this country and we have to address that economic desperation separately. there is a real crisis in middle-class america of looking for middle-class jobs. when i am in congress, i will be a voice for the people who have lost those middle-class jobs or are looking for middle-class jobs. i have to say that my opponent

had made a choice himself after being in the assembly to be a lobbyist for the other guys, for the big money, for the big money interests, and i have always been a voice for the people who have been shut out. mr. faso: there she goes again with another -- an attack that has no basis. the last client that i represented before the state legislature was the primary client was autism speaks. i had the primary role in writing a state law that helped children get health insurance. ms. teachout does not tell the truth. if you can't trust a candidate to tell you the truth about small things, how can you trust them to tell the truth about large things? i support immigration reform, secure the borders first, make sure we can satisfied the needs of agriculture in our district, but not a pathway to citizenship unless they get in line behind people who are already waiting in line. karen: in the last presidential debate, donald trump disagreed with his running mate after penn said the u.s. should be prepared to use military forced to strike military targets at the assad regime in syria. should the u.s. have ground troops involved in syria? mr. faso: no. i would note that vitally important for us to have credibility in that region and the iran deal, with mitch teachout supports, which is a disaster for peace in that region, is something that has

empowered these primarily state-sponsored terrorists in the region, namely iran. failure to get a forcing agreement in iraq was a failure. it meant men were able to fly material to men. also has block, a terrorist group. policies in the united states in the last years have reopened the door to the entrance of vladimir putin in russia in that region after they had been basically expelled for the last 45 years. the u.s. policy has been a mess. ms. teachout supports the deal with the rainy and, which cannot be trusted. -- the iranian state, which cannot be trusted. they are testing ballistic weapons to which they can mount nuclear warheads on top. they won't allow u.s. and canadian inspectors inspect the nuclear facility in iran. the iranian regime cannot be trusted. the bottom line is we need to rebuild our defenses and make sure we have moderate arab states aligned troops on the ground.

ms. teachout: thanks for the foreign-policy question. the first job of american foreign-policy is keeping our country safe. we face three major threats. one is the threat of nuclear weapons. the second is a terrorist threat. the third is our shifting balance of power in the world. i believe in a tough but realistic approach to foreign-policy. this is an area where my opponent and i have differences in our background. i openly opposed the war in iraq. my opponent openly praised george bush the way that he dealt the war in iraq. casey: at the halfway mark, i would encourage people to keep sending us questions using the hashtag ny19. on twitter, tom says i hope zephyr teachout can clarify her stance on the tax cap because that ad has gotten annoying.

ms. teachout: do you think? i support more local control. i don't think albany politician should be telling local governments what to do. i have fought and will always fight to lower property taxes in new york state. property taxes are totally out of control. i don't go a day without talking to somebody who was hurt and by property taxes.

people playing over 10%, 20% of their income and property taxes. i support a circuit raker approach which has bipartisan support -- circuit breaker approach which has bipartisan support. new york state has the highest property taxes. why? when my opponent was in the assembly, property taxes went up 43%. they went up because in the 1990's, you saw a series of lobbyists from the big new york city corporations and wealthy interests pushing to basically get tax breaks for the wealthy and tax breaks for the big corporations.

the result is new york state said to local government, look, it is on you. local government took on a greater share of paying for health, paying for education, paying for transportation. if we want to really take on this real property tax crisis, and it is a crisis, we have to get to the root issue of what is happening between the state and big companies. mr. faso: i would just say that ms. teachout simply does not know what she is talking about. the property tax cap in massachusetts which went into effect in 1980 has been a real money saver for property tax payers there. that is the model for what new

york state did. the reason property taxes go up so high is often state mandates, out of control local spending, etc. the policy for new york state was also mandated and saved $4.5 billion to tax breaker's. the circuit breaker just shifts the cost of the state level. it does not save tax payers anything. she has never paid property taxes. maybe that is why. joe: this concerns college affordability. the total amount of student debt in this country stands at $1.3 trillion, with a t. the average student borrow of 2016 was in debt to the tune of $37,000. that was a 6% increase from the previous year. what would you do to make college more affordable for families who are struggling to pay for their sons and daughters' education?

mr. faso: the one thing that has happened contemporaneously with this explosion of student debt has been the greater availability of student lending. the federal government basically took over student lending and the problem has only gotten worse. a couple of things we have to do. i think colleges need to be more forthright with students and parents as to what is the prospect of getting a job when you have a degree from this institution. right now i don't think people really understand the economic dynamic that can work. colleges should be more forthcoming in terms of disclosing that information to students. i also think the bottom line is we have allowed too many students to take on debt unwisely. this is why you had the explosion of student loan debt. the failure of colleges to

properly inform students and their parents as to what are their prospects of ever repaying this debt. we have got to be more forthcoming. college affordability is extremely important, but we also need to make sure we emphasize vocational training as well. there are many students who would do better who go to a vocational school rather than getting a four year degree that is not going to give them a job when they get out that they can pay off their loan. ms. teachout: i hear about this every day. i hear about it from students. i hear about it from grandparents who are worried about their grandchildren and are trying to pitch in. it is holding back our entire economy because it is debt like a millstone around people's neck. we have got to support our

public colleges and universities. we also have to make sure that the for-profit colleges don't continue to be as abusive as a have been. they see a pot of money and they are going after it any way they can. this is something that is extremely important. we also have to support the g.i. bill for veterans. we have tens of thousands of veterans throughout our district and it is important to support them getting the chance to go to college. karen: in sticking with the education theme, the national common core learning standards have been controversial. the you think common core should be scrapped the reformed, and what is the government's role in education? it has traditionally been a local and state issue, right? ms. teachout: i think common core should be scrapped. common core has not worked for fundamental reasons. it has come along with high

stakes testing. my first job out of college was a special ed teacher in a rural classroom. one of the kids i was working with was an eight-year-old who had been through five foster homes and he told me he had no imagination and wasn't smart. i worked with him and the classroom teacher worked with him. by him discovering that he could write stories himself, he started doing really well in math because that gave him confidence in another area. this is true for all kids. every child is individual. i believe federal education policy has to start from a different starting point. not from common core. my opponent's, one of the big $500,000 donors, pulsing or, is a big pusher of common core

high-stakes testing. from the premise that every child is different, and honestly, every school district is different. we should have a priority on music and art and sports and social work. understanding that children aren't widgets, but rather unique individuals that can become the best adults they can be. mr. faso: i don't support common core. the problem here is that the federal government unduly involve themselves in education. i never supported no child left behind when george w. bush in teddy kennedy pushed it. education k-12 should be a state and local function. the bottom line is -- i am really amazed and ms. teachout continually goes back to these a full set tax. you see her motoring down the hudson in her little boat. the hudson river is so much cleaner than it was generations ago.

much cleaner than it was 30 to 40 years ago. the main source of pollution in the hudson today is sewer and storm water overflows. i supported the dredging of the hudson river when it was done properly. i did not supported when they were threatening to resuspended pcbs and float down the river. everyone was opposed to that approach in the late 1990's. ms. teachout does not tell the truth. she may motor down the river, but she is trying to sell people down the river with her false arguments. casey: zach lewis on facebook has a question about infrastructure which he terms crumbling. amtrak is an antiquated railroad system and half the district lacks adequate public transit options. the rest of the world has invested in environmentally friendly infrastructure improvements. what will you do to improve infrastructure?

mr. faso: one of the main things we have to do is expedite the planning and approval process for projects. we have a project approval process that is too long, too cumbersome, and too expensive. they need to build a third tunnel to connect new jersey to new york so those amtrak trains on the northeast car can,. the fact is the approval process will probably take eight or nine years to do that. they were built in the great depression, the empire state building, in 11 months. you could not even get through the approval process in quite that time. we need to have deadlines. you see this at belair mountain, where it took 15 years to get through the secret process, state and environmental quality review act. if we want to expedite projects, you have to have a much more delineated approval process for

these things so it does not take endless amounts of time to get the projects done. i think infrastructure is vitally important in our state and in our country. you see crumbling infrastructure. the congress just renewed the highway bill. i think that is critical to our local community. imperative for our businesses that they have a safe and reliable transportation infrastructure. as someone who takes amtrak to new york frequently, i understand the need for improved real service in this state. -- improved rail service in the state. ms. teachout: we need to invest in our infrastructure now. it is an emergency level. that means investing in bridges, water structure. that means the federal government investing in infrastructure bank that would support local projects. infrastructure is important for independent businesses. being able to trust or water in your roadways and bridges is important for an open market economy, which is what i

support. i do want to briefly address, but i'd don't have time, some of the claims that john made earlier. joe: this is on marijuana. bernie sanders, who has endorsed you, said during the primary debates that he believes that marijuana prohibition should end in this country, that it should not be a crime to have marijuana on your person. some states have relaxed marijuana laws already, leaving us a patchwork quilt across the country. do you support marijuana legalization at the federal level? ms. teachout: i think marijuana should be regulated like alcohol. inks for asking a question about drugs. the issue that is really live throughout our district is what to do about the heroin crisis.

joe: we are going to get to that. ms. teachout: but what we are talking about is criminalizing addiction, which is a real issue. we have got to stop treating addiction like a crime. they are different issues. to answer your question directly, that is the direction i think we should go. to address the larger issue of heroin, you know, the overdose deaths are up three times in the last 16 years. i was talking to a father whose son came to him asking, saying i'm ready for treatment. he spent a week on the phone with insurance companies looking for a bed. could not get it. his son relapsed and has since overdosed. i think there was great leadership by kirsten gillibrand on this. she endorsed me early. she has been a great advocate on this. i think it is important to support local efforts, the chatham police chief, friends of

recovery in sullivan, other efforts that recognize we have to approach this with compassion if we are going to address the crisis. mr. faso: on marijuana, i think we should wait and see what the results are of the experiments going on in places like colorado before we rush and at the federal level. on opioid abuse, i have laid out a plan of education, treatment, and enforcement that i think is vital. it raises the question in my mind -- the recent issue of the epipen. we have to reform the fda approval process so that if a drug comes from a country like denmark, germany, were the

standards are the same as ours, we allow those drugs more freely available here. there is a danish version of the epipen that can be purchased for $75. competition will lower cost. karen: it is on gun control. you said that you oppose closing the gun show loophole. maybe you can explain why that is, the reasoning. what about preventing people from the terrorist and no-fly list on buying guns? mr. faso: i am not in favor of people who were on the terror watch list for buying guns. i want to make sure that if someone is improperly placed on the watchlist, as senator teddy kennedy was years ago, and it took all of the force of his senatorial office to get him off that list, imagine the problem of a common citizen trying to

deal with the bureaucracy. the issue becomes yes, terrorists should not be able to purchase firearms. we have to have to process protection so that an innocent citizen who is improperly placed on that list has a due process right to be able to get them self off that list on an expert is -- on a next indicted -- expedited basis. i am a supporter of the second amendment. i think the safe act was a travesty. it has been nothing to improve safety. the major problem with crime and gun violence in our country are handguns. handguns are strictly regulated, as they should be. the bottom line is the new laws on the law-abiding people are not by definition going to improve their ability to combat

violent criminals who use guns in the commission of a crime. i think the bottom line is these efforts are going to fail because they are targeted at the wrong people, the law-abiding people rather than the criminals. ms. teachout: i have been a consistent critic of the safe act. it was passed in the middle of the night without engaging people in the process. i have spent my entire life raising up people's voices, saying people need to be engaged in the process, that we have to have politics that has room for all of us. the other thing that keeps people shut out of the political process is big money. we have a real crisis right now of big companies with well-paid lobbyists coming in, writing legislation that people are not engaged in writing. when i'm in congress, i will always be about everybody's voice, making sure everyone has an equal voice. moderator: casey will have a brief question. casey: i am synthesizing a couple we received on facebook and twitter about what you mentioned, big money in politics.

you are in opponent of it, but you have accepted money from sources of great wealth. someone said that is hypocritical. is it? ms. teachout: my campaign is funded with an average contribution of $19. we have over 60,000 donors. it is grassroots up. it is powered by grassroots door-to-door, people meeting and local communities, by teenagers. we have these wonderful teenagers who are coming into our offices to volunteer. it has always been about the low dollar grassroots. my opponent's campaign has been funded by a handful of super pac's. all those attack ads you see? there have been $2.3 million spent on attack ads against me funded by the new york city

hedge funders who think they found some a to do their bidding in washington. i asked john to join a pledge to keep super pac's out of this race. in massachusetts, scott brown and elizabeth warren came together, had a pledge. they enforced it. they kept super pac spending out of the race. he turned me down because he thinks citizen united is the right decision. i have stood for overturning citizen united. i have stood for reducing the power of lobbyists. i will always be an independent voice against those things. mr. faso: it really does amaze me. ms. teachout started her campaign with false, negative ads against me.

i have a 97% attendance record. when i was missing, i was on business or with my wife who is being operated on. she attacked me for my attendance record. ms. teachout is very hit of -- very hypocritical. she said falsehoods about my record and my business career right from the start. her campaign is funded by people who don't even live in this district. they are all over the country. very few of them are from here. moderator: we are approaching the end of our broadcast. the formal questioning is now over. each candidate will have one minute for a closing statement. ms. teachout: thank you for listening. you have a real choice between two very different candidates on november 8. i want to briefly address some things that did not, in this debate but might be important in making your decision.

john fast so and i are different on protecting social security. i think we have to protect and expand it. he has written an op-ed saying we should privatize it. we are really different on protecting our water. he talked about ge earlier. he wrote letters to the epa saying ge should not have to fund the full cleanup. i will fight to protect our water and make sure the big polluters pay. the fundamental differences i will always tell you where i stand and m independent. he does not trust the voters enough to tell you who he will vote for a november 8. i will answer only to you and continue to be an independent fighter in congress. thank you. mr. faso: good evening, and thank you again, all of the viewers out there and the people in the audience here tonight, for coming. i appreciate the opportunity to present my credentials. our nation is in crisis. we have to fix this economy. we are perilously about to go over the cliff financially

unless we do that. we have to rebuild our defenses because it is vitally important that america remains strong. it is vitally important that we. sure that weke have a future for our children and grandchildren. i am from here and i have lived and worked here for 33 years. opponent only bought a house in the district this year. i stand for free enterprise. i stand for personal responsibility. i stand for the constitution. i stand for the rule of law. i stand for individual responsibility and equal opportunity for all americans. that is my platform and that is how i will serve. moderator: i want to thank you both for participating in this evening's debate. i would like to thank our panel.