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50% for the entire course of this campaign. because we have seen the strongly unfavorable growth of both of these, those numbers are so they do now that it almost as they go back and forth this weekend. when we saw trump's negative still stayed. it didn't affect her's at all. what's interesting about this race is that if you look at what drives the negatives, hers are driven by the politics of the past. everything from benghazi to the e-mails to local positions over the years. it's a very strong negative component against hillary clinton. trump tossed negatives are driven by his persona. go to these can rallies to get pumped up and get a great reaction from the rally. probably the biggest myth of about trump is

that he is teflon. he's teflon only because of the negatives for hillary. part of the problem the campaign has struggled with is that when he is the one leading the charge against hillary, as opposed to putting together a campaign structure, others but the charge against hillary. it's like a boxer with a glass jaw leading with his chin. he may be able to go out there and stir up a negatives for hillary, at the same time it's driving his negatives higher. that's been one of the questionable things about this campaign. they never quite figured it out. this entire time he's in great there, from crowds out the intensity of his negatives are higher and higher. a republican pollster who has worked in campaigns for 22

years, polling for governors, senators, members of congress, possibility of seats being lost in the house. what does the current polling tell us? guest: the house looks to be very strong. somewhere in the double digits. the senate is very close in these places. considered tossup states, presidentially. georgia is now on that list. arizona, ohio. utah has not yet been put in their. it was driven by the one poll. in all four of those cases, incumbent republicans running for reelection, winning by double digits. that's the only state in which trump is holding a lead or a marginal lead in the state. usually what you have in a

presidential race is that it drives the lower ballot race. there was a concern last week when we saw over the weekend the generic ballot drop very high but didn't come back. i don't think it was the intent, but part of what happened last week is the more that he attacked the republicans for not supporting him, which was getting a lot of press attention, the more we saw the separation between the image of the party in the image of trump. i think the same is happening in the races. pop in the generic begins sewing down what was driven out there. he allows that separation to be there. we see that frankly on the .ssues republicans versus democrats are up ong 10 points on taxes

foreign affairs. looking at trump, down three points on the economy. 12 points on taxes. eight points on health care. four points on jobs. 27 points on foreign affairs. linkageshows you the between the republican party and in theublican candidates persona of what they are seeing out there. one of the unfortunate things in this campaign is that we have not had a presidential campaign on both sides that have been talking about these issues that are worth talking about. has then hitting the lower talking about what they are doing on these issues. the oxygen is being sucked out of the room.

host: let's hear from loretta. caller: good morning. i believe that what ed is saying is true. i have recently noticed that the republican party, they don't want any equal anything for anybody else. tv, when then interview the trump voters, they are voting for trump specifically because of the supreme court, who seem to have made racist decisions, such as the voting rights act. -- how does he the polling on the supreme and how does he control

the ratio of republicans versus democrats and what i call personal polling? do you come across more republicans than democrats? how is that handled how is that handled in your survey? guest: where to start? beginninf where the campaign was and what was missed. before any of these candidates got into the race, we have seen it for over a decade, the country is off, wrong track. when you get the kind of numbers we have been seeing between 66% and 70%, that is not driven by just republicans are just independents or democrats. it is across the board. on the most part, it is across the board. what i have seen, and one thing

i like to do is track middle-class voters. an economicby a definition, but we consistently get about 72% of the american electorate be middle-class -- electorate being middle-class. and --frustration frustration more than anyone else. what i was hearing from the middle classes they were frustrated with the system, but angry and both ends of the equation. they were mad at the rich. they were met at the port to some extent. not that they were willing to help with the poor. they were mad at the poor because they get the programs. and they were getting an increasingly larger bill.

that was the core going into this campaign that has been distorted by both presidential campaigns. that basically they felt they were afraid the economy was going to decline before recovering from the last recession. they felt nervous would not come to our shores, but to their doorstep. they had seen examples continue with that. they felt that the american dream was getting further and further from their reach. that theirn dream children would be doing better. that was the core going into this campaign that i think has been twisted by the two campaigns as opposed to getting away from the core message. one of the problems i have seen in washington is that sometimes we don't look at core basic problem solving. that you talk about the solutions and implement

solutions and that creates a new set of problems. very often, what we are dealing with in campaigns is we have gone through that cycle so many times. that is what we are dealing with with obamacare. we are dealing with problems created by solutions, and not by the root problems. that is where the frustration comes with the american public. host: you shape that up in a question you ask if the country is on a right track or wrong track. it's her value in asking those questions? up in allis coming the surveys that the most important problem to deal with. trump wants to run a change election.

what is interesting is with those voters who mentioned dysfunction and government, he is losing 10 points to hillary clinton. there are a lot of voters were not voting and either category -- voting in either category. the first candidate that would truly say here are the policies i will drive that will make america great again perhaps. more importantly, bring the economy to a progrowth economy and bring terrorism to a safer point in terms of our doorstep. and how do i bring the american dream back within reach for the middle class? neither candidate is making a good argument on that right now. a supporter of donald trump from houston, texas. this is gene.

go ahead. caller: good morning, gentlemen. good morning from texas. my question was about all of these polls. really level out to the point, hillary is 47% ahead. if you going to win the presidency? my biggest problem and i was going to ask ed, would you like to run for president? you got some good ideas. [laughter] comment.going to be my all politicians before they enter office should take a drug test and a lie detector. if they fail either of them, we don't want them. i will continue to listen to the reply. thank you, sir. guest: i always laugh when i

hear them saying about taking a drug test and a lie detector test. again, this is an argument that has been argued to a draw on who is honest and trustworthy. we ask that question not in terms of who got the highest percentage of that, but trump versus hillary, who do you think is honest and trustworthy? again, trump comes up short on that. polling in the week of the access hollywood tape. but he is five point down versus hillary in terms of who is more honest and trustworthy. someone who works on campaigns, one of the things i have been concerned with with trump, labeling his opponent different things. somemesouave to wonder is he trying labelisppen beree tsabedhaway?

hillary ass labeling one thing anoth, h signalg to theirampaig this is what i think they beev if he snango e mpgn th hhaa akssn? i wi label you first bore yolabel me. hopelly that w' hapn. as my interest in running in politics, i have never had that. i always felt my strength was helping candidates to bring the strengths the surface. -- to the surface. a campaign built on strength, but weakness. that is unfortunate for the american public. hearingr thing i keep is how do we end up with these two nominees? that the american public is going to end up in this campaign feeling very

unsatisfied with the debate that happened and being that more frustrated about the system. that is unfortunate for the system and unfortunate for democracy, and i hope it is something we will recover from in the future. host: joe is in south carolina, a supporter of third-party. thanks for calling. caller: think you, pedro. -- hq, pedro. i want to think you for having c-span on every day and it is beautiful for everyone to comment. veryuest seems like a decent person. first of all, i think it all tooked when republicans the house. that is when it all started and it did not stop from their. they did not do nothing from this country as far as i'm

concerned. -- my sister is a republican and i heard a caller earlier, a teacher, and she votes republican all the time and she voted for trump this year, you know? know, that is who she is, you know? i got one other comment. when bush left office and president obama took office, the credit card did not stop. it kept on going and going and going for another $4 trillion, you know? doubling of the deficit on president obama. thank you. i appreciate you guys taking my comments. host: ok. guest: the national debt has increased by $8 trillion. it is the debt that is doubled

during this period of time. that is unfortunate because this is where you get very antsy over how do we fix things? we are on a path that are dead is deeper and deeper. what people don't understand if the choices that we have on the other end of the equation, education, military, all of those are being squeezed because of the debt. you can get into arguments over that. campaign,f where the where the country is in terms of republicans and what happened and what did not happen, i have tried this before in reality, my feeling was if you watched what was happening out there, when we elected the republican congress, the slowed the obama agenda. when we elected a republican senate in 2014, we basically

stopped the obama agenda. to the point of that is why he started doing executive orders. i think we do need a discussion in the future. one of the most -- the majority leaders would disagree with me as with a variety of other senators, but one of the things hurting our system is the 60 vote rule in terms of the senate. it basically becomes the place to stop everything as opposed to making real changes. i would much rather see a white open debate a 50 votes -- i would rather see a wide open debate a 50 votes and get into a real discussion about where we are going. if you look at the ideas of the republicans' values, it is in line with the middle class. we could be in a very good position with the american

public and the frustration level would come down a little bit in terms of not doing anything. at the end of the day, i feel and i grew up in a very ethnic, catholic democratic party changed parties in college. i was one of those southern, reagan democrats. i love the talk of trump's the campaign being like reagan cost the campaign and it is nothing like reagan's the campaign. they talk about trump's slogan, make america great again. in-your-face, we are going to do this. reagan's the slogan was let's make america great again that was very inspirational and inclusive. very polarized trump support. david, a next call,

supporter of donald trump in chicago. caller: hi, gentleman. thank you for taking my call. it is going to shock a lot of people, but i think trump is even better than reagan is reagan granted amnesty and gave us lousy trade deals. o. started w h t about what that trump to this point in terms of winning the nomination. immigration and trade. you have no idea how angry people are about immigration and just out of control and complete nonsense. we see hillary talking quietly behind doors about open borders. not wondering why there is much honest polling in this area. when you explain what the real problem is allowing almost 2

million foreign legal workers every year into the country regardless of the economy and the lowest participation in the labor market, we get a lot more honest polling in terms of why people are so angry about the economy. hearing enough about it in trump is the only person that has come out forcefully about this from the get-go. that has captured a lot of people to get on the trump train, if you will, the immigration issue both legal and illegal. then the trade deals. know, thet to let you legal -- the recent polls on immigration attracting as high as the other categories. immigration is certainly an been that both sides have complacent in. we have come up with a solution,

or moving towards a solution, and then all of a sudden, everyone starts calling names and things fall apart. -- reality are two things our immigration system is broken up because people are coming across the border, but broken on the premise behind the system. and our borders are not secure. point, and trump finally addressed it later in the 40% of thes that people who come to this country and overstay come in with a visa and overstay their visas. it is about enforcing the laws we have. place ended up at that that it is about securing our border. i think the unfortunate thing is this is a time where we can drive that need because of security, not because of illegals coming into the country. areways look at it as there

four plots on immigration -- the border and security, the broken immigration system, the illegals that are here today, and then there is what i call the collateral issues. forone i feel the worse for all the politicians on the governors having to deal with the fact that the federal government has not secured the borders and not fixed the system. they deal with collateral issues. unfortunately, those issues are the ones that end up being talked about in the campaign. the only way to make them go away is to fix the system. why i say the system is broken is if you look at immigration, and there are several candidates find it this out on the issue is if you look at today passed a immigration system, 83% of all the legal immigrants come in because the family connections.

half of those, direct family. the other half, distant family. we need to change our immigration system built on a system that brings in people that meets this country posterior economic needs -- meets this country." 's economic needs. until we address that basic problem on the immigration system, the priorities are put into the wrong place that causes priorities to be squeezed out. we are not going to fix the system and we cannot deal with the 12 million until we know that the system is fixed. and we can figure out what we are going to do with the 11 and 12 million. will seenable people this is the way we have to do step fix the, by system and it will take a real commitment. if we don't do it soon, you will

see the anger. that theseto point are the people responsible for it when in fact it is our economic policies that have driven that. host: lecture from james and mississippi, undecided voter. james, go ahead. caller: good morning. how are you guys doing? host: good. caller: good. i want to ask him, do he trumply believe that mr. created himself? as i watch the news media, as i listened to experts that come on your show, the democratic party and the republican party created donald trump. at history look the democrats and republicans, they created. him another thing is whoever we

get, donald trump may be on quicksand, but republicans -- republicans may be on quicksand, but republicans are on sand. you may think that the democratic party is building their foundation on sand. the media is biased when it comes to these candidates. host: gotcha, james. guest: we do with this media bias all the time. the fact of the matter whether there is a bias or not, it is the responsibility of the campaign to deal with it in a way that place to that. clinton -- iry think the hillary clinton campaign has sent a much better job to take advantage of the biases to drive that. , again, the numbers for both of these candidates in terms of their favorable or

unfavorable, she is at the top of her window, or they are both at the top and he is in the middle, you get very numbers, but they are within the window. the numbers that are not changing and have not changed are the unfavorable rating and that serves as an anchor. the best thing going for hillary clinton right now is donald trump. the best thing going for donald trump is hillary clinton. because when they do hit a bad spot, they always have the other candidate they can play to and play to that group that dislikes both of them. republican washington journal live every day with policy that impact you. and discussing the work

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>> good evening. welcome you to this u.s. senate debate between two leading candidates, senator ron johnson and former senator russ feingold. tonight's arrays -- debate originates from green bay, wisconsin. behind me is the home of the green bay packers, the legendary lambeau field created another example of the team's commitment to excellence. tonight's debate continues the commitment to excellence and public service. the debate is underwritten by the wba foundation and supported by a grant by the wisconsin association of independent colleges and universities. it is being broadcast on radio and television stations across the country -- wisconsin and on c-span. moderator.our

-- join our moderator. >> here is our goal, a debate that truly helps a voters make choices, in which the palace just questions that are relevant, fact-based and fair and the candidates answer with specifics, no ducking, dodging, or changing the subject. the panelists who are -- you have done their part. in addition we are incorporating the social media desk and we can join. used #media question is ebate. used the #wbad you and themind viewers of the format and the rules of the road to which we have all agreed in advance.

you will each have one minute and 30 seconds to respond to a panelist or social media desk question. we will alternate the order of the questions series of you has the opportunity for the first and last word. if your responses do not answer the question that was asked or need context or clarification i will invoke the moderators option and i will give you 30 seconds to give me a specific reply. your opponent will get 30 seconds as well. we keep to time limits. there is a countdown clock in the studio. it is big and we can all see it. if you go over your time or entered on each other's time i will give you one -- one warning. if you ignore it your michael ceased to function. so finally we will conclude with two-minute statements from each candidate. we flipped a coin and the answer, the first answer will go to rest feingold. the first question.

>> our first topic for the evening has to do with as it relates to a recent marquette university law school polls showing 52% of likely wisconsin voters said they were uncomfortable with hill -- a hillary clinton par presidency. you have called trumps comments about women and defensible but you have not said you do not endorse him. did notgold, you endorse feingold until it was clear she would be the nominee and have not said whether you voted in the wisconsin primary. starting with senator johnson, do you stand behind your party's nominee, 100%, yes or no and why? >> ron johnson has the first answer. i have been consistent in how i have been dealing with our republican nominee.

big things, growing our economy, healing our economy, making sure it will isis full defeating isis, securing our border, we have to commit ourselves to doing that. certainly appointing judges to and supportingrt someone who will change washington, that is right and fair to do. i have been supporting those areas of agreement but it has been, i have not been shying about -- shy about disagreeing with our candidate. i am not going to defend the indefensible. which is a difference between myself and senator feingold who must the about the last american who thinks hillary clinton is trustworthy. he has completely supported her even though she has decades of corruption, lying boldface to the american public, or dereliction of duty in benghazi

and her extremely careless, i would call it grossly negligent and unbelievably reckless behaviors regarding some of the top national security secrets. it does show that she is disqualified from being president. iwill as i have always done, was for those areas of agreement but i will hold whoever is president accountable but i want to work with whoever is president in terms of trying to solve these alarmist challenges facing america. about deciding who will be the leader of the united states and the most significant person in the world. my view that supporting donald trump is completely irresponsible. and that no one should really do it after they have seen the fact that he simply does not qualify to be president. he does not have the temperament to be president. he has used divisive miss, saying horrible things about various ethnic groups and others in this country to get himself the nomination.

and it appears he has done a lot of other inappropriate things. this is no person to be a role model for the people of our country and frankly, it will be very frightening for the rest of the world if we elected donald trump. center johnson has a chance to follow the lead of the other centers, republican senators, his colleagues who are in tough reelection fight to have said no , enough is enough. i'm not going to support donald trump. i challenge him to do the same. it is just wrong. this is one of these times we have to be an american first, not a politician running for office. not a republican or democrat but is worried about the future of our great country. and i have supported hillary clinton and bernie sanders both happily and i would support either one and i confident having worked with secretary clinton a number of -- in a number of context that she will be an excellent president. moderator: let's go to the next

question. >> this question is about guns. 49 people gunned down in orlando is pulse nightclub, the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. in june, five dallas police officers killed in an ambush style shooting. people keep saying we need to do something to reverse the problem. a recent marquette law school poll found 85% of registered voters in wisconsin say they support closing the private gun sale loophole. mr. feingold, you have been outspoken about expanding background checks and the use of an executive order. senator johnson, you voted against a bill that would have allowed the attorney general to bar people on the federal terrorism watchlist from buying guns and voted against another bill requiring back ground checks at -- for guns purchased online and gun shows. what is the one thing you place to wisconsin you will do if elected to better protect our communities, yet still protect

our constitutional rights? mr. feingold: having grown up in wisconsin i have always understood the importance of gun rights in the second amendment. i believe people have the right to have guns for purposes of self-defense in hunting and a legitimate activities, i have never had any question. sense of thecommon people of wisconsin and the one thing i would make sure of his we follow the common sense of the people of wisconsin who are demanding even, even republicans are demanding overwhelmingly that we have background checks at gun shows in the internet. i would work extremely hard to make sure that actually occurred, that the boots were lined up. our republican senators who have been bipartisan on this issue. .ho have cosponsored senator johnson does not. he does not follow the common sense of the people of wisconsin on this issue, he follows the rules and the idiots of the nra. he will not block the nra in any of this, even on something like ground checks which are money

has is just a common sense thing that follows on the idea of background checks when you buy a gun at a shop. this is one of those moments when the people of the state have to decide. you want someone who respects gun rights but believes in appropriate regulations or summary who will only do what the nra permits him to do. that is the choice november 8. johnson: there is no doubt about the fact that additional gun control laws do not solve problems or you'd if they did, you see the murder rates in chicago lower. have extremely onerous gun control laws. senator feingold knows the vast majority of guns purchased at gun shows do go through background checks. the problem in orlando was the fact that we had not achieved the stated goal against isis. president obama laid out the goal to more -- more than two years ago and he said defeat it.

we have not defeated isis. we spent more than two years. what we have to do is we have to lead. we have to heal our economy so we can stress our military so we have the resources and we have to drive the leadership to accomplish that goal. as long is i exist they will continue to -- isis exists, they will continue to expand lone wolf activity we saw. as i travel around wisconsin, very few people have, we have the potential of an orlando size terrorist attack in milwaukee. to buy a weapon on the black market. criminals will be able to get guns. additional gun control is not the answer. defeating isis is. is --tor: we do have it an additional question. i believe the question is what would you do specifically about guns beyond isis, you will have

30 seconds. supported senator grassley's bill that would increase enforcement of straw purchases. night was my leadership to bridge the difference to keep people on the no-fly list from getting guns but the problem is the bills were being offered had no chance, they were opposed to the nra and aclu. if we had more time i think i would have been successful in bridging that gap. >> he noted it was his action and proposing an nra proposed idea on this. th that was going to try to solve this problem. because senator johnson has no independence from the nra, this bipartisan effort failed. that is the actual story of what

happened. jill: next question. figuret: the most recent shows 91% of people across the country have health insurance. at the same time, premiums continue to rise. in wisconsin, premiums will go up by an average of 16% next year. tot solutions do you have reduce insurance costs? russ feingold: your way understating -- ron johnson: you are way understating the problem with obama care. we really got hit the first year. groups, thehic lowest price increase of those is 1.8 times, the highest is three times. or $300.re paying $180 obamacare has been an unmitigated disaster. yesterday, they

asked, would you turn back the clock and go back to where we were? , because ofgo back obama, absolutely i would go back. allow states to continue to regulate. eliminate the individual mandate. allow individuals to purchase across state lines. those things actually worked. feingold knew what was in the law and said if there's nothing that would prevent you from keeping the health care plan, you eliminate the higher -- if you like your health care plan and dr., you can keep them. premiums will decline. those were the three promises. those were lies. it never occurred. we have to go to free market patient centered reforms that put patients in control. freedom of choice will work. russ feingold: fraud is

pretending these problems didn't exist before the affordable care act and pretending it didn't make real progress. senator johnson was very straightforward and said he would turn back the clock and take away all the things that have been accomplished. that means 20 million people that have been covered under the affordable care act would lose their coverage. 20 million people. that's not just import and for those people, it's important for hospitals and others that no longer have to see these people as charity cases. they couldn't get insurance. the affordable care act takes care of that. he would remove that.

there are people with mental health issues, opiate addiction issues that are very serious and they are now covered because of the affordable care act. it is not perfect and i agree that the deductibles and others have got to come down. to beave the opportunity the senator, i would act on this instead of defending deductibles as senator johnson did on an interview. panelist: we have been hearing from citizens on this topic. cracks some say it was put -- >> some say it was put in place to quickly. if you had to keep one part and dump one part, there would be one on each side that you would have to do? i would get rid of the tax. it was something i opposed at the time and effects perfectly

legitimate policies and is one of those things i think would be a beginning step to improving it. we need bipartisan efforts to try to change this bill. there are other problems as well like the so-called family glitch. that means somebody that gets evaluated as an individual for the affordable care act, but not in a situation where they have a family. the premiums and to dr. bowles are under control. up -- andigning deductibles are under control. insurance companies have indicated that they have dropped out or are thinking of dropping out because the mix of people -- a lot of people tend to be sicker as opposed to healthier. the better possibility that those will remain will be a

better mix and will allow them to make the appropriate profit they need to make for this to make sense. they will work in a bipartisan basis. , a frivolouswsuit lawsuit. it was thrown out in the seventh circuit court because he has litigated instead of working with other members of the senate to try to say, how can we make this better? ron johnson: one thing i would keep is to allow kids under 26 to stay on their parents plan. the thing i would definitely -- eliminate would be the federal definition of health care. it has driven premiums through the roof. all of those things have not come true. premiums have skyrocketed.

is not as bad as people are pretending it was. went from $276 a month to $787 a month. to quit a part-time job, she is a mother -- she had to work full-time because the premium went from $500 to $1200 a month. millions of americans lost their health care. 20,000 in the high risk pool. you had to know what was going to happen because you said you knew what was in there. access toosing doctors that they now and that they trusted. 95% was obamacare, covered by insurance. , it hasn't had an impact other than people who lost health care they can afford. premiums have doubled and tripled.

we are out of time. we will go to our next question. we would like to stay on this topic a long time but we also have other important topics. panelist: u.s. troops are advising iraqi forces as they plan to capture more from isis fighters. news broke just a couple hours ago about the milwaukee mended been charged with trying to help isis. a recent research poll shows 87% of people questioned say terrorism is their top concern. but let's focus on isis overseas. you both served and have similar backgrounds. there are different solutions that deal with this threat. starting with you, tell

us about your specific plans for shutting isis down in the middle east. >> the first is the hollowing out of the military. the democrats insist on more domestics and bending -- domestic spending before we fight isis the way we should. york, theren new were ambassadors. they are begging for american leadership. we need to lead. america is begging for leadership and we have not been doing so. after two years, the cia director said despite our efforts, isis remains a formidable and resilient enemy.

and the global reach, that's pretty sad. against the elements. he voted against authorizing the finest. now it is part of his plan. he's the only senator to do so preventing law enforcement from having those tools. he also wanted to close down guantanamo bay. senators, a strategic blunder. russ feingold: it's not a time for listing things people have done wrong that have nothing to do with it. it's beyond politics.

do to destroy this organization? what you just heard was no plan at all. first of all, we have to knock off their leaders. we have to kill them. there is a special force and they got the number two guy, they think. it needs to be intensified. increase human intelligence. the chairman of the homeland security hasn't lifted a finger. recently, there was a tragedy but we didn't have the right information and killed syrian troops. we need to cut off their oil supplies. it is producing oil and transported. i have served on the intelligence committee for five years and worked on that. tough. to be

in some cases, they are exporting a radical idea of islam, hobby is him that is that a colliding them around the world. these are the elements of an actual plan. jill: we will move on. panelist: let's move domestically. we have seen the videos of body cams, dash cams, showing us shootings of african-american men. some of the demonstrations have been violent. research by gallup and others indicates distrust of the justice system. police leaders like green bay's chief acknowledgment the deterioration of community relations across the country. the u.s. justice department pledging to undertake its most ambitious project to date. the tracting the use of force by police officers. rebuild theou do to trust in our communities?

be specific. >> we have to recognize that nobody wants to be in this position. the african-americans i met with feel very uncomfortable. many friends of mine are police officers that feel uncomfortable and worried. it can be a scary time when they leave work -- leave home for work in the morning. had you do that? specifically, community policing. reinvigorate the funding for community policing started in 1994 and was very beneficial for communities. people in the neighborhood know the police officers. there is a problem with institutional bias. they don't have the normal elements you would expect from a community. you have to properly fund public schools. we have to stop discrimination in lending for housing. we have to make sure that there

are actually businesses in the neighborhood, a real neighborhood where people get to know each other and protect each other. does not enough contact. there shouldn't just be a presence in milwaukee at the time of the tragedy. the should be a presence there all the time. the u.s. senator should go out and listen to people. and throughout one's term so that you can constantly be part make sure thato the tension is reduced. ron johnson: you need to be involved. i have been involved with the community and i have shown up. i have done far more than show up and talk and call for more government spending and taxes. what i have done is i have acted. i am very proud of is my involvement with the joseph project.

there's not one manufacturer that can hire enough people. and you have all this high level of unemployment. how can we make those connections? the greater church of christ that identifies people in that situation, formerly incarcerated, we go in with just one week. we provide soft skills, training, interview skills, training. 20 companies. it is transforming people's lives. my nine-year-old daughter is finally proud of me.

you finally engage, you act, and you turn people's a lot -- people's lives around one at a time. the united states is the only industrialized nation without national paid family leave according to political fact. of 41 countries examined, the smallest amount of paid leave required with the exception of the united states is about two months. on the state level, a handful have paid family leave for birth or adoption. paid family leave, and for what length of time. >> whether it is strengthening the military or providing opportunities for economic

growth. my three things are the massive overregulation of government that cost $2 trillion a year. i realize we're getting immune to these massive numbers but that is $14,000 per household. it would be another federal regulation to increase employers. it is costing this $12,000 a year. not allowing them -- would you rather have the 14,000 of the cost of complying with federal regulation? it inld you rather have your paycheck for your family.

tax credits, it's leaving money in taxpayers money in their pocket. that is something i can support. leave more money in your pocket. senator feingold wants to grow government. it is absolutely going to require increased taxes. ron johnson: this -- russ feingold: this is where we see having your own views and telling people what they are. what people tell me is that they are having a heck of a time. because of this problem, the failure of the economy to keep up with wages. so people want the minimum wage race. they also want a family leave.

because the business is saying that we value you. we want you to have a good family life and it will make that person more likely to stay with that business. it really is a shame that instead of siding with the families of this state. senator johnson will only go with a position that is oriented to the corporate view. support family and medical leave. it is done in so many other laces and it has not brought the economies down. what it means to be able to bond with a child. he just responds to the big corporations. panelist: it shows that if

nothing is done, the trust fund will be exhausted between 2029 and 2034. it is rising to 67. what changes would you make to ensure the social security fund remains solvent? >> social security as a foundation for so many people's lives and existence. for other people, it might be that and a small tension. i have never tried to suggest that there would be privatization are some other technique to threaten those accounts. senator johnson has called it a ponzi scheme. advocates george bush's idea of private accounts. the idea of these private accounts, it makes it very concerned.

that is the scare tactic. make sure people pay their fair share on fica. it cuts off at 118,000. lebron james is having a great year after letter he and financially. he could pay more. make onef congress hundred $75,000. we could raise it to that level. wealthy people get social security. i'm not proposing we change that. but it is only reasonable that people pay their fair share. help -- it avoids the terrible idea. the asset of the trust fund,

that is because people like senator feingold when given the chance to actually invest those surplus funds, he voted no. he voted not to protect it. benefits, those actions don't save social security. let's talk about how you do that. solving social security and medicare. we have been growing at such a low level. the difference is a norm us. is $14 trillion of additional

economic activity over 10 years. trillion.s $29 even with the meager economic growth we've had, federal revenue has increased by $1.1 trillion a year. regulatory burden, have a better tax system, and energize the god-given energy resources. jill: let's go to the social media desk. panelist: one subject we haven't talked about yet is energy. what would you do as a senator to move us towards energy and combating climate change? focus on the energy part. what do you see is the most important energy source in the future and what is one thing that can be done to help us get there? hydraulicn: fracturing and horizontal drilling, we are finally energy independent. soviets -- let's utilizes resources.

president obama said because of his policies that senator willold supports, rates necessarily skyrocket. the best thing to do is to affordresources those controls. not opposed to some government funding for wind and solar, those types of things to fund basic science and research. in the end, it's got to be market based. based, u.s.market rates would skyrocket. that's not good for an economy. we've got to focus on economic growth. i am a person that believes in an all of the above approach to energy. you also have to put in something about climate change.

i grew up in this state. the climate has changed in my lifetime. it is a frightening prospect. senator johnson doesn't see it that way. man-made climate change. that climate hasn't warmed up in the last few years. it was indicated that it was the warmest month ever. we have focus on the alternatives. solar andwe look at wind. to use coal.ue we will use other renewable resources because it creates jobs and because it will reduce carbon emissions. this has a positive element as well. industry, weck

want to do something different. they agreed to lower their omissions which will have a significant impact. about trying to do something about energy. it's also about the economy. time is up. panelist: we will talk about defense spending. created 19,000g jobs. due to something called sequestration. it is something defined as mandatory budget cuts passed by the budget control act in 2011. it is still going through 2021.

they called on ending , and it is simply too important. how did each of you stand on this? do you support more funding for the military? >> we can't afford to cut out the fundamental way. we have to spend the money. spendingto tailor the to the kinds of threats like isis and al qaeda and other threats that may emerge around the world. find places where money isn't being spent wisely. it is a plan with about 35 provisions and says there are things we can do to save some money. it can be used for other purposes in the military.

some 1000 abrams tanks. only about 300 of them need to be retrofitted according to the military. we need to do is be smart, take a close look at what is wasteful. i don't support some kind of cut to the military across the board. i support making sure the money is spent wisely and it is related to the problems that exist around the world. they look at these is combined. that. seen i had the ability to work for the president in africa. these people work hand-in-hand. jill: your time is up. -- ront: defense hawks

johnson: defense hawks don't -- i have always supported the military. i believe defense of this nation is the top priority of government. course, we have to resource. i thought it was the craziest policy and i know it will put our homeland at risk. the problem we have is senator feingold party consistently blocks republicans will try to increase defense spending because they ask for domestic spending that doesn't work and sometimes exacerbates the problem. we have to bring things like defense appropriation bills to the floor of the senate. we should audit the fed.

government is not efficient. it's not effective. but we have to fund to keep this nation safe. right now, we don't have those resources. on the subject of the military, let's go to tom. panelist: regarding the medical care veterans receive. more than 30% of veterans receiving care say they don't believe the v.a. hospitals or medical centers are giving them high-quality care. more than half say they are not prepared to handle their own care after discharge. these the veterans that need the care the most. 95% of veterans seeking care served in a combat zone. mr. feingold, you said more federal money may be a solution. senator johnson first with specific examples. how do you propose improving the care? have supported

the choice to access private care when it is too far away or the wait time is too long. i have also acted. when i found out about the health care center, i had become chairman of government affairs. i had my staff begin our own investigation. we made public more information than they did in three years of their investigation. because of my investigation, my hearings, and my reports, we upheld those people accountable. the executive director that turned a blind side -- a blind eye. senator feingold, his office was repeatedly advised.

110 years of total service, we take these things very seriously. i'm not quite sure why senator feingold did not raise the alarm mail layinghey got out the problems. calling it candy land. is that because the staff didn't care or senator feingold didn't? he knows for sure it wasn't true. it was testimony that made it very clear that my office had never received anything of that kind. this tragedy occurred five years later under senator johnson's watch. so this is a sad moment when someone who knows for sure that something is untrue repeats it because he's a politician trying to get reelected. it's awful. but what this is about is making sure the veterans get the care

they need. if they have to travel, it's not too onerous. that is what it's about. i've been all over the state. whenever i meet a veteran, i ask them. how do you feel about your veterans carry? i really liked my doctor. i got these glasses at the the a. there are problems in the need to be improved, but i guarantee you that most of the veterans in this state want to make sure as athis program continues federally guaranteed program. i do not wait until my fifth year to start acting on veterans issues. i was responsible for new health care kenexa in sawyer county, news centers, green bay, and i got that done. senator, can you do something about it? , not just when my

office dropped the ball. jill: i will invoke my privilege, what will you do moving forward? ron johnson: make sure it has adequate funding. supportive ofly choice for veterans, allow them access to the private sector health care that's closest to them. the daughter of thomas barrett who died of neglect, had she known about these things, i never would've taken my dad there. she comes from marshall and they have excellent care. -- v.a. is not particularly it has a lot of problems and we have to improve the choice program. russ feingold: talking about choice programs in general programs but there are specific things you can do. i had a nice conversation with accounting board member of north etc. want to about the problem. you go to your doctor and he says, you need to see a specialist.

apparently, you got to go through some bureaucracy to get that specialist. i don't think it should be that way. if the doctor says you need to see a specialist, cut that red tape out and make sure it happens. do it in the context of the v.a. as a public row graham. -- public program. panelist: 73.5% of students borrow money. the average debt are those students reaching over $30,000. institute, the reports from 2004 to 2014, the average debt of graduation rosette more than twice the rate of inflation. -- rose at more than twice the rate of inflation. it hinders students ability to achieve life goals such as purchasing homes, starting families, investing in small businesses, or retiring from the workforce. what is the role of federal government and what will you do

if elected to ensure that higher education is more affordable and more accessible. i've gone to theeingold: counties and people tell me that it is affecting their middle-class lives. the most commonly mentioned thing is the cost of student loans. the problem it creates for the family and also for the community. so we do need to continue the federal role. we need the student loan program. it is a very simple piece of legislation that would help. you would be able to renegotiate. senator johnson voted against it. concern about the terrible position these and people are being placed in? i think it's a denial of the

american dream. they can use the money for whatever else. they can use it for that. i think it should be prohibited. these are specific things we can do. senator johnson says young people think it is free money. they don't. they know what interest is. the cost of college has increased and everybody has to ask themselves, what in the world is a different about what colleges and universities been their money on -- spend their money on? lecture at$8,000 per

stanford university. when colleges have that much causes the is what an affordability of college. we've got to address the affordability issue. we already have 38 different programs. the study of the 70% of people defaulting on student loans had no idea these programs exist. it is already existing as opposed to creating a whole new government program. it is adding to the deficit and it is something we haven't even talked about. by deficit will increase $103 trillion. senator feingold had for opportunities to vote for a balanced budget amendment in the 90's. twice he could've been the yes vote.

the debt has increased by $14 trillion. it does not help students. jill: we have 30 seconds that each of you could have one more kick at this. you madegold: i think a good choice because the world that senator johnson describes is one where he says, it's too bad about the student loans. it's too bad you have all this debt. he didn't suggest a single specific thing to relieve the burden on the students right now. if you want to represent the people of wisconsin, you need to get serious. that needs to happen now. not when billionaires and multimillionaires are redoing -- jill: times up. working and i was

supporting the student loan's certainty act that lowered interest rates. i want to make sure everyone has the opportunity to build a good life for themselves. it is a matter of how you make college more affordable and we need to address that issue. gone far toome has quickly. it is time for your closing statements. russ feingold's first. russ feingold: thank you for wisconsin broadcasters for doing this. it has been a tremendous privilege to have a chance to go around the state the last two years and here people's concerns. and the amazing innovation. this is really doing things with fresh water. and you come up. with green bay. i can't stop eating the mozzarella you get the quiktrip. good chip or falls and you see

.- chippewa falls a fascinating company is taking old machines in manufacturing them, selling them cheaper than some of the new machines. this is the good news. there's a lot of it. there's also the problem of middle income and working families. wall street is at the highest level it's ever been. we have lower unemployment so they say, where's the fairness? medical leavely and they want pharmaceutical medicines to be affordable. they wanted addressed in a real way. they don't want jobs shipped overseas. senator johnson thinks these agreements of the greatest thing since sliced bread but they are not. i think the people of this state deserve a senator that is going to vote with them instead of voting with the corporations.

that is the matchup. it would be different with me. i would stand with the people of the state and if you elect me, that's exactly what i will do. ron johnson: the number one thing people say to me is that i am in their prayers. i can't tell you how much we appreciate that. is toxt most common thing you guys get something done? working with senators frank anen and making sure that the bridge is under construction. by finding areas of agreement that unify us, we have a comp list things. 28 have been signed into law. being an outsider business persons approach to get things done.

what wisconsinites have asked me to do is exactly what i've done. it is a stark contrast to individuals. feingold was a career politician and doesn't have a lot to show for it. it wasn't a very good return on the investment. i helped start, build, and grow a successful wisconsin family business that provided hundreds of wisconsinites good paying jobs. some of these folks are with me still. company.that we export products. i understand what it takes to grow a business and how hard businesses. i understand how much harder the federal government makes it. i want to grow the private areor where long-term jobs created so that wisconsinites can keep more of their hard-earned money. senator feingold will have a plan for everything, but the plan involves growing government. i hope people understand

government is ineffective, inefficient, and when it grows, your freedoms will reseed and they will demand more of your hard-earned dollars. i've got a record of doing so and i'm asking for your support and your vote. jill: gentlemen, panelists, thank you. we hope you've inspired people to get to the polls. election day, november 8. apple's will be open from 7:00 a.m. until 8:00 p.m. you can register to vote on election day and you must show photo identification. here is a website to help you. myvote.wi.gov. you will find information on correct id's and how to get one in advance of election day. you can find info on absentee ballots, the location of your polling place, and a preview of what is on the ballot. wi.gov. the