man. >> it's an honor to share the dias with a defendant of the great al smith. al, your great-grandfather was my favorite kind of governor. the kind who ran for president and lost. >> al, you are right. a campaign can require a lot of wardrobe changes. blue jeans in the morning, suits for a lunch fundraiser, sport coat for dinner, but it is nice to finally relax and wear what we wear around the house. >> watch the al smith memorial foundation dinner with hillary clinton and donald trump, thursday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span and c-span.org. listen at 9:00 p.m. eastern with the c-span radio app. incumbent senator rob portland is running for

reelection against former governor ted strickland. he also served as budget director in u.s. trade representative in the george w. bush of ministration. both served in the u.s. house of representatives. this debate, courtesy of wbns in columbus, ohio. in columbus, ohio. >> tonight, 2 candidates, one position as a u.s. senator. tedher portland and strickland meet for a debate. a special presentation from wbns tv and the columbus dispatch. ."is is "face the state live from columbus, here is your news anchor. >> thanks for joining us for "face the state" the senatorial debate in columbus. voters go to the. number eight to elect ohio's. this evening you will hear from

the leading candidates in the race. senator rob portman, the in ohio wasncumbent lifted in 2010. senator portman: was born and raised in cincinnati. ted strickland is the democratic candidate for senate, serving as ohio's governor from 20,70 -- f rom 2007 to 2011. let us introduce our panelists. the political anchor for wbns 10 tv. and tanker at wbms 10 tv, public affairs editor at the columbus dispatch. also joining us in the studio with questions from viewers throughout the evening is our anchor kristyn hartman. our anger has agreed upon the rules set up for the debate. we begin with a two-minute opening statement. candidates have 90 seconds to answer questions. the opposing candidates has

opposing 90 seconds for a response. that questioned candidate will have 30 seconds for rebuttal. questions alternate between senator portland and governor strickland. at the end of the hour each candidate will be permitted a two-minute closing statement. a coin toss has determined an important will go first. it is time to begin with opening statements. sen. portman: it's great to be in columbus, particularly after a great ohio state football victory over the weekend. you are going to hear two public approaches to public service. i have been an independent voice for ohio making a difference for ohio families and workers. 45 of my bills written have been signed into law by the president, including issues incredibly important to ohio. one is the epidemic of heroin and prescription drugs. unfortunately it is tearing families apart in our state, devastating communities,

including columbus. might confidence of addiction act -- my comprehensive addiction act can help turn the tide. i am running for andrea, who i met at the treatment center outside of columbus. andrea likes our legislation because she is a recovering addict. she likes what it does for treatment and recovery, but she also wants to save lives in the future. as a child she had to watch her mother died of a heroin overdose. i am here for teresa flores who is a victim of human trafficking and an activist who helped write me --helped me to write 4 bills for human trafficking and increased sentencing for those that traffic them. i have worked on the working system to ensure that we get our infrastructure products without to many federal permits and cracking down on unfair imports from countries like china. the level the playing field act is hoping tire workers and

paperworkers and steelworkers all over the state. i am running for them too. the status quo is not acceptable. there is much more to do. ohio families and workers are working longer hours. particularly in health care because of obamacare. you will hear our positive agenda to deal with those issues. you will hear a lot of partisan false attacks from the opponent. he does not want to talk about his record. he does not want to talk about his vision because he does not have a positive one. thank you. gov. strickland: i grew up in a family that new a lot of struggle. but we survived because we serve -- we loved and cared for each other. my family lost their first home when it was destroyed by a flood. our second we lost to hard times. when i was five years old, our third home burned to the ground. my dad was a hard-working steelworker. my mom raised nine kids, and i

was the first to be able to go to college. i learned at an early age what it's like to live paycheck to one that and how just break can cause real hardship. that is why i spend my life as a minister, a teacher, a psychologist, a congressman, and as your governor, fighting for working people. and that is who i will fight for in the senate. the rob portman story is different. it is a story of wealth, power, and privilege. it is a story about a man that says one thing in ohio and goes to washington and does something else. you know, perhaps the most egregious things you have done in washington are the attacks you have leveled against women. like donald trump, rob portman wants to overturn roe v wade, and has voted to defund planned parenthood.

he has pushed legislation to allow a boss to tell a female employee that she should not have access to birth control. and he has voted five times against pay equity for women. senator, i think people of ohio -- the women of ohio deserve an apology from you, because you disrespected them. even standing with donald trump after he bragged about assaulting women. tonight you will see differences between the two of us. i am for working people. sen. portman: to do what he has always done -- look out for the wealthy, the well-connected, and the wall street bankers. thank you. host: it is time to begin to question portion. governor strickland will answer first. areirst couple questions dealing with the subject of character of our nominees.

government -- hillary clinton has called donald trump supporters deplorables was not server.about her e-mail has reversed herself on issues like immigration and trade. she also said "you need both a public and private position when talking about politics getting done." you and the media have asked senator portman about his support for donald trump. how do you support hillary clinton when the majorities of americans believe she is dishonest, and that she is untrustworthy? gov. strickland: i support hillary clinton. i think she ought to be president. i think she is one of the two that is qualified. subjected to attacks over her 30 years in political life. i have known her for a long time. i know how she cares about children and families. i know the work she has done with the children's defense fund.

i know the work that she did as first lady to get this country to have a company and since health care system. comprehensive health care system. i believe she is an honest person. that does not mean she has made mistakes. she said using a private server was a mistake, and it was. i don't believe there is any evidence that she was actually that she has actually light to the american people, as some -- that she has lied to the american people. compare her to donald trump, a man who has called women pigs and worse, who has encouraged nuclear proliferation around the world, who has mocked someone with a physical disability, who has bragged openly about assaulting women sexually, a man who is totally unfit to be president. this election provides us with a choice. the choice between hillary clinton and donald trump. senatorar and a half,

portman said he disagreed with certain things that donald trump said. it wasn't until he made a political calculus and at nearly the last minute that he withdrew his support. response senator portman. sen. portman: you raised a good point that hillary clinton said and did a lot of things that you think ted strickland would hav stood up to. when donald trump said things, i did stand up and was counted. when she called half of donald trump supporters irredeemable and racist, that is about one million ohio voters. he said nothing. to this day he refuses to condemn those remarks. this race is not between donald trump and hillary clinton. i think ted strickland would like to have it that way. this is between ted strickland and me. it is a comparison of our public policy plans going forward, and

the difference cannot be anymore stark. my record is one of getting stuff done, making a difference in the lives of ohioans. his is as a congressman, ineffective. i talked about the 45 bills signed into law. billsat strickland, 0 signed into law. you talked about words, and words do matter. and ted strickland and this campaign has said things that offend all ohioans. he celebrated the death of antonin scalia for political purposes. at the republican prevention he brought out fortune cookies that offended asian americans. he is the one that recently used the word rape in an offensive way to connect rape and charter schools. words do matter but this is a

race between senator strickland and me. gov. strickland: this is a race between us, and rob portman is a man that takes credit things that he has not done. before the omnibus bill passed he sent out 14 press releases in the week and a half before it was voted on taking credit for money to clean up lake erie, on and on. 14 claims, money for drug addiction -- and he voted against a bill and traveled across ohio taking credit for things that he actually voted against. jerry: thank you. the second comes from our news anchorfor sen. portman:. >> guarding donald trump we have 30 years worth of inflammatory statements from him, and you have waited until a comfortable lead in the polls on to announce your support.

why did you not follow governor john kasich's lead in holding back your support from the beginning? sen. portman: he is the republican nominee, and won it fair and square. i made the decision not to support the nominee because i found his words a week ago to be so offensive. i did support john kasich in the primary. when john kasich lost the primary and donald trump won it, i wanted to respect the piece of the voters. but his words are wrong and demeaning to women. for me that is the final straw. i cannot make that decision lightly. he did when the nomination. -- did win the nomination. i plan to support mike pence. he was also elected. this is not about hillary clinton and donald trump. it is about ted strickland and rob portman.

the voters have given me a comfortable lead in pulling because they have looked at the record. the reason the teamsters and united mine workers and fraternal order of police, all of whom used to support ted strickland, they are supporting me because they have looked at our records to help ohio moving to the future. again, it is a big distinction. we will hear more about this tonight i hope instead of more partisan attacks, but actually talk about these issues and done, or not done in the case of governor strickland. gov. strickland: the truth can hurt, this talk about women. during his tenure in the senate, this senator has attended to overturn roe v wade. he wants to take away a woman's right to control her own health care choices. he's voted to defund planned parenthood. he's stood by as donald trump cold women pigs and worse.

he said, i disagree with that, but i think he ought to be president. when he mocked a disabled person -- when he said that john mccain was not a hero because he had been captured -- he said, i but i still think he ought to be president. for months she did not have the courage to break within. i think he chose party over country. governor kasich did the honorable thing. he said he could not support this man. i have wanted him for that. but not senator portman. it wasn't until the last hour as he was ahead in the polls that he summoned the courage to say, i cannot vote for him, i'm going to write in mike pence. mike pence is the most anti-gay political leader in the united states of america. i don't think mike pence is a good second choice. i think the senator ought to consider hillary clinton.

sen. portman: everything he comes up with a tax and partisanship is to distract from his own record. and again, very ineffective record. and as governor the loss of 350,000 jobs, taking ohio 248 and the country. 47 other governors figured it out better than he did. --taking ohio to 48th in the country. after that he left ohio and went to washington dc to cash in as a lobbyist. jerry: the third question comes from the columbus dispatch for governor strickland. >> i'd like to talk about the issue that separates you to the most in this campaign, trade.

governor strickland has opposed about every trade bill in the last 20 plus years. sen. portman: that you have written some of those trade bills --center do --senator portman, you have written some of those bills. let's just talk about one of these where ohio wins came in on this -- nafta. tell me whether the north american free trade agreement has helped or hurt ohio. sen. portman: thank you for the question. --gov. strickland: about ohio having lost jobs, it was a national recession. it was george bush's trade representative leading up to the national economic collapse. you had a lot more to do with the job loss in ohio than i did. in terms of nafta, we were both are there when it passed. your newspaper the columbus dispatch has written that rob portman has never met a freed

trade deal he did not like. he was george bush'trade representative at a time when our trade imbalance with china exploded 21%. tradee was george bush's representative, he did not take on china for current simulation and said it would be counterproductive. -- for currency manipulation and said it would become productive. there was a recommendation that china beat punished for sending steel into the country below cost and he recommended against it. i am proud of my record for fighting for working men and women. senator portman i think is the best senator that china has ever had. jerry: senator portman, your response? sen. portman: we heard a whole string of first-person attacks -- of false partisan attacks. here is what is important. governor strickland has never stood up to china.

in fact in the house of representatives he voted twice for what he criticizes me for. he voted not to hold china accountable. he certainly did not make it easier for ohio workers. with the help of sherrod brown i passed a level the playing field act, which is successful right now in pushing back against chinese imports that are unfairly dumped on a country. aresteelworkers of ohio happy with the breathing room it allows them to compete. we are having more success because of the enforce act also passed the senate in the last couple of years. the enforce act helps companies those because of the level playing field act. i am the one that has taken the lead on currency manipulation. governor strickland talks a good game, but has done absolutely nothing.

what he did do was lost 350,000 jobs as governor, nine out of 10 went to other states. 47 other governors got it right when he couldn't. and he set up a trade office in china. and here he is saying that he stands up to china. what has he ever done to help ohio workers? i have results. i am proud of those results and look forward to continuing to work hard for ohio workers. jerry: your rebuttal. gov. strickland: i invite the fact checkers to check the things i have said tonight. what i have said tonight is accurate. senator portman seems to have forgotten everything he ever did before i got into this race. you hear him talk now and he sounds like a democrat. the fact is that he has -- excuse me. you were saying something? sen. portman: i said, i hope not. gov. strickland: it's my time,

but i will yield it to you. jerry: next question. >> ohio's minimum wages higher than the federal minimum wage at eight $.10 an hour. is it a livable wage in your opinion? gov. strickland: i think the minimum wage is a better way to go. it is index to the cost of living, so it goes up as inflation goes up. this was legislation that governor strickland backed before and used to support. now he supports a huge increase in the minimum wage right away that will cause the loss of 30,000 jobs in ohio based on a miami university study we are happy to provide. 700,000 jobs would be lost nationally. about half those on minimum wage are under age of 24. you want those to be able to move up on the ladder. you don't want it to go in a

huge stairstep. you will lose those opportunities. we have a huge problem in our state and country where people are not involved in the workforce. for men, the labor participation rate has been the lowest in the country, particularly among young men. it would be a real mistake to do what governor strickland wants to do, but i think it ought to go up. let's take it up immediately to this higher number ohio has, and let's have it indexed to inflation. in order to allow people to get the first rung of the ladder. i and my kids started at minimum wage jobs. we more people to have the opportunity to get to work and learn how to work. that is why the minimum wage used to be reasonable for people to have the opportunity to have a job. gov. strickland: i want to raise the minimum wage. i think of a person works hard they ought not to live in poverty.

much income how that senator portman gets. i looked at his senatorial salary and his investment incomes. makes aboutthat he $343 and $.57 per hour based on a 40 hour workweek. and there was a bill in the senate to raise the minimum wage to $10 and $.10 per hour. and he voted no. versusd $.57 per hour $10 and $.10 per hour. minimum wageke the challenge. i tried to live on the minimum wage for a week. i did that a couple of years ago. i ate a plot of items off of the mcdonald's dollar menu. i ate a glut of bananas. they are pretty cheap. i did not make it. on the fifth day, my nephew told

me he was in town for some special training before he went to afghanistan. i decided to take them out to dinner and i look the minimum wage --drunk the minimum -- broke the minimum wage challenge. many brothers and sisters and uncles may have a loved one who could not even afford to take their loved one out to dinner. that is the way minimum wage folks have to live. jerry: your rebuttal? sen. portman: when ted strickland was governor, he had a chance to speak on this. he supported the ohio minimum wage, which is indexed to inflation, which is helpful. but he also presided over a state that must $350,000. -- a state that lost 350,000 jobs. nine out of 10 jobs went to other states. after that, he left the state and went to washington dc to

become a lobbyist. he made 400 thousand dollars a year. he was not living on minimum wage, but was working against the interest of ohioans. jerry: the fifth question from governor strickland. it comes from a viewer. >> we sent our cameras at the getty special perspective -- yours. this question comes from a columbus fewer. -- viewer. >> hi, i am from columbus, ohio and my question would be, how would you foster an environment in ohio that would create better and more jobs? gov. strickland: the first thing we need to do is make sure that education is of high quality and, affordable for young people. make k-1as governor to 2 education of higher quality. when i begin governor of ohio was ranked 27th in the nation in quality of schools. when i left the governor's

office, ohio was ranked fifth in the nation. as it came to higher education, i froze tuition my first two-year budget. office,he four years in i believe ohio had the slightest increase in tuition of any of the 50 states. i am proud of the record i have in fostering education. i would like to contrast my record with senator portman's. when he was george bush's budget director, he proposed cutting millions out of hell grants. the largest cut in history. -- pell grants. he advocated for the elimination of the loan program. and even now as we have students with high debt, with high interest rates, senator portman is opposing allowing ohio students to refinance their student debt and a lower interest rate. why would he do that?

he is doing what he always does. what is washington powerbrokers asked of him, rather than what is right for the students and people of ohio. jerry: sen. portman: on your response. sen. portman: thanks for calling in tonight. it is apparent that what ted strickland did not do as governor do not work. we lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. unemployment was well above the national average. he actually cut education funding. he took off the freeze in tuitions so increased the cost for students. what we have to do is what some of the republicans and the legislature have started to do, is reform the tax code. we have to do much more in terms of worker training. some of my legislation called the career act money spent much

better for jobs that are actually in the region where the training is taking place. i am in big fan of career and technical education. i started a caucus with tim kaine. both of us have legislation together which helped to encourage more career and technical education. we believe that should start and middle school through high school. we have about 250,000 people out of work in ohio. about 150,000 jobs are open. employers are looking for workers, but there is a skills gap. i could be closed by career and technical education. midcareer,r those in be able to take advantage of better work training programs to get those jobs. some of the critical things that have to be done. i am proud of what john kasich has done. we have to do a better job in preparing our young people for the 20th century workforce. gov. strickland: the senator

said i made $400,000? that is a big whopper. i never made $400,000 in my life. listen, education is important. we've got to make it affordable. yousome reason senator, have turned your back on ohio students when they want to refinance student debt. i don't understand why you say no. jerry: the sixth question comes from the columbus dispatch for senator portman. >> another issue question. senator portman, your campaign governorge deal of strickland draining the rainy day fund. isn't that what it was for? it was the worst economic downturn since the great depression. state revenue was tanking. what would you have done differently? sen. portman: thanks very much.

thanks for reminding us that he -- rainy dayy done fund from $8 billion to $.89. he left the state with an $8 billion deficit, which your third-party investigation has confirmed. it wasn't just that jobs left ohio and we were at the bottom of the heap. he also drained the rainy day fund so that there was nothing there for the next administration, and he left the next administration in january of 2011 with an $8 billion budget shortfall. unprecedented in ohio. i would have done what they did at the time. you remember the republicans said, you have to raise taxes to close that. you have to make it more business friendly and create more economic activity. today we sit with more than a $2 billion surplus in the ohio rainy day fund. it has worked to help bring back

jobs and activity. why you want to send ted strickland to the u.s. senate, because higher taxes, the spending he did as governor that he did with the rainy day fund -- that is the problem with washington dc today. we need a problem with progrowth -- we need a positive progrowth agenda that helps women like sidney to get a job. that is why the broken tax code has to be fixed. we need to reform regulations. we have to work on the skills gap to provide better skills training. jerry: your response? gov. strickland: i don't know how to say this, but you are simply not telling the truth. i did not leave an $8 billion deficit. i balanced the budget each year i was in the governor's office.

you talk about the 350,000 jobs lost. senator, you fail to acknowledge that america lost over 8 million jobs. it was a national recession. and it was a recession that was caused not by ohio, not by me as governor, but it was caused by the bush administration policies and wall street. dan you were george bush's trade representative and budget director leading to the collapse of the economy. you criticize me for having lost jobs? let's say something about the rainy day fund. senator, it was raining. you have a rainy day fund to use when it's raining. and i used it for and intended purpose. it would have been irresponsible not to have used the rainy day fund. i would not cut education. i would not cut money from police and fire. i balanced the budget. i handled this state in a

responsible way. we won the governor's cup 3 out of the four years i was in the governor's office. i left this state in a recovery mode. we were the fifth fastest growing in economy when i left office. that is a pretty good record. sen. portman: when you're as deep a ditch as ted strickland took the state, it's easy to show growth. there was a budget shortfall of a million dollars when he left office. that is what they were left with in january 2011. ever happened in the state before.it's not just that. the question is, what did you do ?bout it it is the weakest economic recovery since world war ii. the middle class squeeze is very we'll. wages are not going up. expenses are dramatically increasing.

we need new approaches. jerry: the seven question is for governor strickland. >> let us talk about guns. overwhelming majorities of americans believe we should expand background checks and then people on the no-fly list from getting -- ban people on the no-fly list from getting a gun. where you stand on these issues? gov. strickland: thank you. i want you to know that i have a history in terms of guns and gun use. i came from southern ohio and leave in a second amendment. --believe in the second amendment. i know that 133,000 americans lose their lives to gun violence every year. unfortunately about 2000 those to suicide. i believe it is possible to honor the second amendment and still support commonsense efforts to curb this carnage. i do support comprehensive background checks.

closing loopholes for gun shows and internet sales. we ought to do everything we can to help guns out of those who would do us harm. it is a no-brainer. if someone is judged to be so dangerous that they cannot get on an airplane and fly. if they on the terror watchlist, they ought not to be able to buy a semiautomatic weapon. those are commonsense solutions. senator portland has opposed everything. maybe that is why the nra has spent almost $2 million in this race attacking me. because they know i will stand up to them, and they know he will do whatever they ask of him. he a republican bill -- he voted against a bill to keep guns out of the hands of suspected terroristss and he voted no. that is a big difference when it comes to gun violence. jerry: your response? sen. portman: as you know ted

strickland famously said early that i have "a mixed and spotty record" on gun-control issues. and it is true. during this campaign he frightened about his a plus record with the nra -- he bra gged about his a plus record with the nra. i support tightening up background checks. we need a mental health checks. we have people related to these mental health issues. i am one of the cosponsors of the legislation to change our mental health system. i also support dealing with this heroin and prescription drug issue. what i am told by law enforcement is that is the number one driver of gun violence and crime. columbus a ride with a police officer and asked him why

we had a gun violence. his answer, drugs and gangs. that is why it is so related to this issue where i have taken the lead. i also believe commonsense efforts like saying you're on the no-fly list, you should not be able to get it done, are appropriate. i voted for the legislation to do that. and simplicity that if you are on the no-fly list, you are permitted from getting a gun. there needs to be due process to make sure you are on the no-fly list. jerry: your rebuttal? gov. strickland: every time we talk about guns, senator portman wants to talk about mental health. i am concerned about mental health. i know there are mental health problems that need to be addressed, but guns need to be addressed as well. you always. to mental health -- you always. -- pivot to mental health. with you close all the loopholes? would you do that?

i will yield my time. jerry: we don't have time. next question. >> this next question is for senator portman. in giving you a voice, it comes from a columbus viewer. >> hi, i'm scott from columbus, ohio and would ask the candidates what they think about the wells for the situation with 2 million phony accounts opened. sen. portman: i am appalled with what i have heard. theres a situation where were fake bank accounts set up. the senate committee investigated this end uncovered information that might end up being part of a criminal probe. . think that is appropriate

but it's important that we have proper regulation over banks, not just wells fargo's of the world, but our entire system. one of the things in ohio is regard to community banks. they are feeling unbelievable pressure from increased regulations. some of them are going out of business altogether. i want to be sure that every community in ohio can have a community bank. they support the county fair. if they hadll me, one person doing compliance or ago, now it's three people doing it. and they sadly cannot afford the overhead. you have these bigger banks coming in and taking over where the smaller banks once were. i come from a small business family. it is tough to get a loan. small banks are where they go to get those loans.

that is one thing they are concerned about in ohio, is that our community banks are under more pressure from regulations. gov. strickland: what happened with wells fargo is an example of the latest -- lesson, the ceo of wells fargo has resigned and my understanding is that he left with a golden parachute $41 million. millions of dollars. i think he ought to be tried. this was an egregious mistreatment of people without their knowing it.

they were charged for accounts they did not know they had. frank and senator portman has opposed. frank, and that is because i think he is beholden to wall street is in the big banks. important,anks are but the big banks have mistreated us. he objected to the bailout or the rescue of the auto industry but never the banks -- that is one of the major differences. >> you rebuttal? >> i don't think. frank has worked very well -- they are getting bigger and bigger. so much for too big to fail. he has talked a lot about the rich and the powerful in the partisan attacks that are totally false.

foundch and the powerful that 350,000 jobs were lost, 48 in the country and job creation. the rich and powerful were fine. >> the guy that punches the time clock every day was hurt. >> the ninth question is for governor strickland. >> we will talk about immigration. when we all got together and with these questions, we wanted to ask you at this way. put aside border security, because most americans want to secure border. and let's talk about the more controversial part of the issue. do you support a pathway to citizenship, or process of legalization, or neither, for the 12 million people who were already here, and why or why not? >> thank you for the question. i support comprehensive

immigration reform similar to what was passed in the senate, a bipartisan bill put together by senator john mccain, a republican, senator marco rubio, a republican. it was trying to deal with this issue in a comprehensive way. i believe there should be a pathway to citizenship. i don't want a two-tier society. but as senator portman was a senator he voted no, and when this problem dragged on it on, he supported a man who has taken outrageous positions when it comes to immigration, a man who andalled mexicans rapists murderers, who wanted to ban an entire religious group from entering the country. group from coming into this country. i believe we need comprehensive reform. that reform should include a

definite pathway to citizenship. i believe that it would be good for our economy. i believe that is consistent with our national values. -- andrted very strongly this is another difference between us. border security has to be part of it. i'm not getting into border security. we do need to do something with people that are here. people are living in the shadows. it is wrong. we are a country of laws. we need to be sure that is respected. we are also a country of our grants. for those that are here that are and if to come forward, they have a record, they should be deported, but the others

should have a path to legalization. this was tried before. the last major immigration form happened in 19 83, but there was no enforcement either at the border war the workplace. i do support much stronger enforcement along with that, including equipment at the workplace. i have bipartisan support for that. i offered legislation that was just talked about. we have to tighten up enforcement. at the same time as a country of immigration we ought to have borders be much more secure. bringuld continue to refugees that enrich our country. gov. strickland: well i am happy . it sounds like senator portman and i have found something and i

thousand and we can have a measure of agreement on. i think a pathway to legalization is the beginning, but i like to see a pathway to citizenship. campaigns have focused on the heroine in opioid epidemic. how do you explain the attention to what is considered a suburban, white, or middle-class issue, while this was occurring and african-american communities? i spent a lot of time on this issue. i appreciate the fact that you guys covered this so thoroughly. you have an hour special on it. i think that you saved lives by raising the middle of is the of this issue. it affects every zip code.

i got involved with this over years when it was more of an inner-city problem. i was involved in the crack cocaine issue, other drugs like methamphetamines. it has now switched and it is everywhere. and it is in the suburbs and rural areas. at mary haven, a drug treatment center outside of columbus. i have been to the house of hope . seed the opportunity to these people get back together with their kids. andrea once it back together with her son because of her addiction. i think it is an issue that everybody ought to pull together on. it should not be one that divides neighborhoods as you say. if we don't address this issue

we are going to see high crime rates. i talked to several hundred alex in the last few years. addicts in the last few years. jerry: thank you. your response? gov. strickland: when i was a candidate for governor, i stood before the metropolitan club calling attention that there were disparities in sentencing. sentencing that versus crack cocaine was over racial issues. it is true that sometimes we have different levels of concern depending on which community members are involved. but in terms of what we are dealing with right now, it did not just start yesterday. it started a long time ago. when i was governor i started a prescription drug task force because it was becoming obvious to me that oxycontin and other

addictive drugs were being prescribed. people were becoming addicted and when their perception was no longer there or became too costly, there were going to the streets and finding cheaper alternatives. i don't with this personally. -- i dealt with this personally. my nephew overdosed on oxycontin a two months ago. the problem i have with senator portman i that he iss focusing on this issue, and i congratulate him for that, but he voted against the funding for his own bill. he let someone else carried water because he cannot have the courage to cast the vote. he travels around ohio boasting about this bill. communities need resources, and resources require funding. jerry: your rebuttal? gov. strickland: nothing could be further from the truth.

-sen. portman: i want to find my own bill and have done that. i got $37 million between two weeks ago and december 8. that allows my legislation to get the convergence of addiction and recovery act to go. there was an epidemic that started when governor strickland was governor. at that time he cut funding for drug prevention and drug treatment by 30%. jerry: thank you. the final question comes from the columbus dispatch for governor strickland. >> this will be your favorite i am short. this is your chance to tell us what is the most egregious or misleading thing your opponent has said. this is your chance to correct that record. gov. strickland: i think the most egregious is that i am responsible for the recession. he blamed me for losing jobs during a great national

recession. he's have his out-of-state billionaire friends, the koch brother and others. i have to convince people they have done this -- they have seen the ads. an unprecedented amount of ads distorting my record as governor. i don't think it is correct and not fair. he said some things this evening that are just blatantly untrue. i did not leave an $8 billion deficit. i did not make $400,000. i have never even approach to making that kind of money in my life. ofhink there is a matter howc fairness in terms of people see this senate race. i have not had the kind of resources, he said. been the same kind of fair fight where we spent our own money into not have

billionaires trying to buy the seat, i think i would be ahead of the sky 10 points. the fact is i still intend to be him. the people of ohio, you know watching this tonight that you agree with me when it comes to education, women's issues, when it comes to trade. when it comes to taxes. i want to cut taxes for working people, he wants to cut taxes for rich people. sen. portman: i don't know where to begin. i could go through the list of what he just said, all of which is false. he said a number of things which are just not true. it would not be a good use of time. instead let's talk about what he talked about, why we're running the race. he said because there are more outside groups coming and. there are no outside groups now i suppose. for a while he was more dependent on what he calls dark

money than any other candidate in the country. harry reid's super pac is putting more money in ohio attacking me every day on these false activations. he has been more dependent on what he complains about than any candidate in the country. it is true that he did leave ohio. he was not good at exporting as governor. he was very good at exporting jobs, including his own it turned out. he washington immediately after he was turned out of office by the voters and went as a lobbyist. the financial disclosure form, it is about 400,000 bucks a year. he said it was his dream job, he never made so much money in his life. my dream job is serving the people of ohio. it is not serving as a lobbyist, what he did when he left ohio. jerry: your rebuttal? gov. strickland: when i left

ohio, i went to harvard and spent a semester there. i worked at the u.n. for several months. i spent one year in washington i invite these journalist to look at my tax returns and see what i made. it was a lot less than $400,000. just one of the latest things he has said that is blatantly untrue. i urge the fact checkers-- jerry: we are out of time. that concludes our question portion. it is time for closing statements. sen. portman: you have two minutes. sen. portman: i hope this has been an important opportunity to hear two different approaches. i have reached across the aisle and got stuff done.

we have talked about some of these bills tonight that are helping ohio workers and families in very direct ways. that contrast to my opponent's record. as living governor at the bottom of the heap, 40 in job creation. every day when i go to washington from our home in ohio, i take with me the values of ohio. these are values that i learned growing up. i grew up in a small business family. kid, my dad risk it all to start his dream starting a new business. he started with five guys. my mama was the bookkeeper. he could not get any money from the bank. we finally got a loan from my mom's uncle. he lost money the first few years, but through hard work and sacrifice eventually found his niche.

i worked at that small business and so did my small brother and sister. i members weeping the shop floor a lot. i remember grinding the rest and paint off of forklift trucks. that is where i learned the value of hard work and sacrifice. i learned the importance of giving back to others. that experience is one that i take with me to washington d.c.. i ran into a guy, a mechanic. he has never tired with a healthy 401k. he is able to provide health to his grandchildren who are going to college. he never got to go to college but is living his american dream. i want to make sure that every ohio and can reach for their american dream. i ask for your vote tonight. gov. strickland: let me say i have never been a lobbyist. check it out. you talk about being an independent voice.

you are not independent of when president obama nominated to stick garland to the supreme court. you cannot do your job. i want to talk to my fellow ohioans. i wanted to listen to me because there is a choice in this senate race. you can send a message to the billionaire class that ohio is not for sale. i want to tell you why i am running for this senate seat. i was the first of my family to go to college. i was elected to the congress. my dad in his 80's had never flown on an airplane and wanted to fly to the sea to see me take the of. -- fly to d.c. to see me take the oath. a reporter put a microphone in front of him and said, i bet you are proud of him. he gave the perfect parental answer -- i am proud of all of my kids. he's proud of my oldest brother

who fought in world war ii, my three sisters who worked as nurses aides, please proud of my three brothers who finished concrete for a living. i share that with you because i have been fortunate. my state and country has made it possible to live a life that my brothers could not live. i was able to get an education. i know how important an education is. i know how struggling moms and dads worry about their kids. i want to spend the rest of my life fighting for working people, people who are being mistreated by a system that enables the rich and powerful to make the rules and call the shots. ii want to go to washington and be a senator that will be a fighter for you. thank you. jerry: thank you gentlemen. >> watch c-span's live coverage

in the third debate between hillary clinton and donald trump on wednesday night. it starts at 7:30 p.m. eastern. it debate is at 8:30 p.m. eastern. for a viewer reaction including your calls, tweets and facebook reactions. c-span.org. listen to live coverage of the debate on your phone with the freeseas -- the free c-span radio app. ♪ >> c-span's washington journal live every day with news that impact you. coming up tuesday morning, senior election analysts will analyze the latest polls from campaign 2016, as well as the electoral college mass as trump and clinton look ahead to the electoral math.

he will discuss the approach to polling and what voters should look for. from thecdonald university of florida will talk about the latest reports on early voting and concerns about the integrity of state voting. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal live that seven cut -- 7:00 eastern. join the discussion. >> donald trump held a rally in green bay, wisconsin. he spoke about the election, hillary clinton's e-mails, and allegations that the election is -- sexual misconduct against him. >> ♪ and i'm proud to be an

american and now proudly stand up next to you and defend her still today because there ain't no doubt i love this land god bless the usa and i am proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free ♪ mr. trump: thank you very much, everyone. wow. beautiful. what a crowd. [cheering] mr. trump: well, we want to start by thanking the fire marshal. do you agree with that? fire marshall, thank you. this room is packed. in 22 days we are going to win the state of wisconsin. we're going to win back the white house. starting the look that way.

you saw the polls. we are up in ohio. early voting is underway, so make sure you send in those absentee ballots, right? send them in. together, we are going to deliver real change that puts america first. america first. we are going to renegotiate our terrible trade deals and illegal immigration, stop the massive inflow of refugees, reduce surging crime, cut tax and common core,nd create millions of jobs -- get

him out. get him out. all right, 'em out. all right. you can take him out. there is always one in a group, isn't there? but you always have to be very nice because the media will say you weren't nice. we weren't kind. we weren't kind. ok. go ahead. get him out. thank you. you get him out? [crowd noise] trump: there is always one. always one. thank you, police.

thank you very much. is there any more fun place to be than a trump rally? seriously. [cheering] mr. trump: and there is no safer place and no more energetic place. we have a lot of energy. you know what i mean by energy. we fought some people that did not have a lot of energy, and you know what happened to them. a lot of energy. ok? let's get going. get him out as fast as you can. we are going to create millions of jobs by unleashing american energy and repealing and replacing job killing obamacare. [cheering] mr. trump: your jobs will come

back under a trump administration, come back like you have never seen before. your incomes will go up under a trump administration. your taxes will go way down under a trump administration. and you know that crooked hillary wants to raise your taxes big league, just so you understand. your companies will not be leaving wisconsin under a trump administration. believe me. there will be consequences for those companies. we are also going to end government corruption. [cheering] hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to run for the presidency of the united states. [crowd noise] mr. trump: newly released fbi documents -- always the same. everybody understands exactly what went on. newly released fbi documents, made public just today reveal just how deep this corruption goes.

you saw it. the undersecretary of state, patrick kennedy, illegally pressured the fbi to classifyfied -- un e-mails from hillary's illegal server. that's a lot of you a gala he and that one statement, isn't it? that's just one after another. in other words, the state department was trying to cover up hillary's crimes of sending classified information on a server our enemies could easily access, which is what we are talking about. this is a criminal act, a conspiracy that included hillary's deleting and bleaching of 33,000 e-mails, the disappearance of 13 phones -- [booing]

mr. trump: all right, get him out. take him out. [crowd chanting usa! usa!] mr. trump: i will say, you are a voice, barely, and then our

people take on theirs and you've got 2000 people pointing a finger. and by the way, that's only a small percentage of this group. this is amazing. this is amazing for it. but you know what, keep doing it. it is more fun that way, right? frankly if you didn't do that you would not even hear this guy. that's ok. thank you. thank you very much. so, you have the disappearance of 13 iphones, many of them whacked with a hammer. who here has gotten rid of your phone and hit it with a hammer. -- it with a hammer? how many? anybody? oh, i want to find out the business that guy is an. but she whacked a lot of them with her hammer. just whacked to them. two boxes -- i don't know if you even know this -- two boxes of

e-mail evidence has gone missing, and the destruction of laptops in a secret deal with the fbi. remember also that crooked hillary lied under oath to congress, saying that she had never sent or received information that was classified on her insecure server. [booing] [crowd chanting "lock her up"] mr. trump: and she pretended not to know that the letter c meant confidential information that was classified, right? hillary told the fbi she could not remember 35 times, bad memory. then under oath she said she could not remember approximately 21 times.

can anyone believe this stuff? seriously. i will tell you -- look, i will tell you. this is one of the great miscarriages of justice in the history of this country. what has happened to the department of justice, what has happened to the fbi is so sad. you have so many incredible people in justice and an fbi, fbi, and they must be absolutely reeling. they probably do not believe themselves what is going on. we are witnessing a criminal enterprise that has turned our government into a vehicle for the clintons personal profit at your expense. but it gets worse. it gets worse. the fbi document that shows undersecretary of state patrick kennedy made the request for altering classification as part

of a quid pro quo. in other words, a deal. this is felony corruption by any standard. undersecretary kennedy needs to resign. [crowd chanting "trump"] [crowd chanting "usa! usa!"]

mr. trump: i wonder if mommy and daddy are going to be angry at her tonight. all right. that's ok. hey, i have to tell you. we haven't had any of this practically. the bernie supporters had much more energy. they really did. they had a lot more energy. so, clinton and her cronies have sacrificed your security, your family's safety and your country's safety as though it meant nothing to her at all, which it didn't. this magnitudes worse, in my opinion and the opinion of many people and law enforcement, this is worse than watergate, what is going on. and what does she get out of it? she gets to run for the presidency of the united states. explain that. [booing] mr. trump: but we are going to put an end to that on november 8.

yeah, we are going to win. those polls were great today, but you know, they are also showing an undercurrent. you remember when i was in the primaries? how is he doing on such and such ? well, it looks like he won't win that state. in the next day, you win a landslide. they say, what happened? this is, i guess, people do not want to say they are voting for trump? which is ok. we will take it anyway we get it. do you agree? we will take it anyway we get it. [cheering] mr. trump: but there is a big, big undercurrent out there. another series of e-mails shows top officials in the clinton campaign scheming to take massive sums of money from foreign lobbyists. one of the e-mails said "take the money."

and you know they had -- just take the money. this is money bundled by people registered as lobbyists on behalf of foreign governments. remember -- we are competing in a rigged election. this is a rigged election, folks, ok? i said it -- remember, i won louisiana? how many delegates did i get? i said, what is going on. i won the state. i went there friday with these massive crowds, great state. i won the state. so, i'm going over there and they are saying, how many ? minute,saying, wait a this guy has 18, i have nine. he said, that is the way the system works. then it is a rigged system. but you have to say -- we figured it out, right? we figured it out. but it is, and bernie sanders with his superdelegates everything else, bernie sanders,

, i bet he wished he didn't endorse her. he would have been something very special in history, but we are not going to let that happen to us, ok? not to the movement. the media is trying to rig the election by giving credence and this is so true -- by giving credence to fall stories that have no validity -- they take a story with absolutely nothing that didn't exist and they put it front-page news because they want to poison the minds of the voters. [chanting] mr. trump: so -- they really do. the one to poison the minds. they take things as statements and put it in, from 30 years ago, 20 years ago. by the way, just so you understand, events that never

happened. you do understand that? it's amazing. it's amazing. i think most people do believe me. that is why we are having -- and it's in our favor -- a backlash like nobody has ever seen before. people are tired of it. front-page news, the phone call. it is all false stuff. there is a backlash. a very, very prominent person from wisconsin just left the back room. i said hello to him. he said, mr. trump, i want to thank you. you are taking abuse the likes no one who has ever run for public office has taken. i really appreciate it. and most important you have your former miss wisconsin, right?

who got out of the hospital to be with us. this is one of the greatest people you will ever -- who got out of the hospital. stay out of that hospital, will you? an amazing, amazing person, an amazing woman, thank you, thank you darling -- thank you, darling, for being here. [cheering] and we have our generals, and we have our share -- we have our share of. sheriff.e our nobody is going to mess with us. nobody going to mess with our sheriffs. and he was there early when he endorsed trump. he was there very early. thank you, sheriff. i appreciate it. and his family, more importantly. more importantly. thank you for being here. appreciate it. the media is an extension of the clinton campaign, as wikileaks has proven.

they don't talk about wikileaks. they just keep talking about trump, trump, trump. they want to put nice, sexy headlines up even though nothing happened, nothing took place, it's a total fabrication. they have got to start talking about wikileaks, the things that are going on. hillary even got the question unanswered -- [crowd chanting "tell the truth"] mr. trump: we need some truth. we need truth. you know, to make america great again, we do need some truth from these people. i will say. [cheering] mr. trump: because they poison the minds of voters. not everybody understands what is happening and by the time they figure it out, it is too late. they are poisoning the minds of voters. remember this.

hillary even got -- [crowd noise] mr. trump: all right, get him out. that's ok. you notice, it is always one at a time. one at a time. [chanting "usa!"] mr. trump: by the way, where is diane hendrix. where is she? she's so amazing. one of your great, great successful people. she is an amazing woman. diane, i know you are here someplace. wherever you are. amazing woman. hillary even got the questions and answers in advance of a major debate. how do you do that? [booing] and nobody made a big

deal. nobody even knows about it. she got the questions in advance to essentially a debate. can you imagine -- no, no. no, no. can you imagine if donald trump got the questions in advance? do you know what they would do? they would reinvent the electric chair. that's what they would do. you don't even hear about that? sheriff, did you hear about this? she got -- and by the way, behind you is one of your great football players, folks. look at this guy. and he is a man of god, i will tell you. thank you, one of the greats. those championships. i don't know about green bay. what do you think. are they going to be ok? he says yes. a new report from the center of public integrity shows that 96% of so-called journalists or

reporters who made presidential donations this circle gave the money, gave themselves, gave everything to forget clinton. -- everything to a cricket hillary clinton -- crooked hillary clinton. can you believe it? they even want to try to rig the election at the polling booths, and believe me, there is a lot going on. you ever hear these people, they say there is nothing going on. people died 10 years ago are still voting. illegal immigrants are voting. where are the streetsmarts of some of these politicians? they don't have any is right. so many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is very, very common. the following information comes straight from pew research. "approximately 24 million people" one of every eight voter registrations in the united states are no longer valid or significantly inaccurate. one in eight.

more than 1.8 million deceased individuals right now are listed as voters. oh, that's wonderful. [booing] mr. trump: well, if they are going to vote for me, we will think about it? all right. but i have a feeling that not going to vote for me. of the 1.8 million, they are voting for someone else. approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state. [chanting] mr. trump: do we love our police? do we love our police? law enforcement. law enforcement. thank you. thank you.

you can see they are getting angrier and angrier with everyone. because they are such a disturbance to you people. and then there is the issue of illegal immigrant voting. the following comes from a 2014 report from "the washington post." could non-citizens describe -- decide the november election. or than 14% of noncitizens in 2008 and 2000 samples indicated they were registered to vote. isn't that wonderful? because noncitizens tend to favor democrats -- to put it mildly. obama won more than 80% of the vote of noncitizens in the 2008 sampled. you don't read about this, right? your politicians don't tell you about this when they tell you how legitimate all of these elections are. they don't want to tell you about this. we find this participation was large enough to plausibly account for democratic victories in various close elections, ok? all right?

noncitizens votes could have given senate democrats the pivotal vote needed to overcome filibusters to overcome other obama administration priorities. now it continues. it's possible that noncitizen votes were responsible for obama's 2008 victory in north carolina. obama won the state. a turnout by 5.1% of north carolina's adult citizens. and by the way, we are doing great in north carolina. we're going to win, folks. but we don't want noncitizen voters, if that's ok. is that all right to ask for? it could have provided his margin of victory. our system is also rigged by the donors giving hundreds of millions of dollars to hillary

clinton's campaign. i will have spent over $100 million on my campaign. i'm working for you, folks. i'm working for you. believe me. [cheering] and they are all telling me what a great job and what a big movement -- there is never been anything like this in this country and even the enemies back there admit it. if i don't win, it will be the greatest waste of time, energy, and money -- oh, what a waste. they all say -- it won't be a waste. you will be in history books. let me tell you, folks. i don't want to be -- if we win, we will do something. we will make america great again. that is what we are going to do. [cheering] that is what we are going to do. the reason hillary clinton pushes for job killing nafta or

transpacific partnership which you cannot let happen -- don't worry, we are building the wall. build the wall. [cheering] [crowd chanting "build the wall"] mr. trump: who is going to pay for the wall? crowd: mexico! mr. trump: 100%. by the way -- i'm not kidding. 100%. all of these partnerships and for completely open borders, she wants open borders. she wants people to pour across our borders. we will not have a country. it is because her international donors control every single move to makes.

if we let the clinton cartel run this government, history will record that 2017 was the year america lost its independence. so important. we will not let that happen. it is time. it is time to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. this is why i am proposing a package of ethics reforms to make our government honest again. when bill clinton -- it was right about obamacare two weeks ago, by the way -- is that it was crazy, crazy. he came into office and signed an executive order saying if you work for the white house or federal agency you can't lobby for the government for five years after you leave, but then president clinton did what the clintons always do. he rigged the system on his way out. he lifted the executive order so

clinton cronies like john podesta could start raking in cash. [booing] mr. trump: here is what we as a group are announcing. first, i'm going to reinstitute a five-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for five years after they leave government service. [cheering] mr. trump: i am going to ask congress to pass this into law so it cannot be lifted by executive order, right? i will ban the lobbying by former members of congress and their staffs. it's enough. i am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all of the loopholes that former government officials used by labeling themselves

consultants, advisers, and all of these things in the get away with murder. it's not going to happen. i'm going to issue a lifetime ban against senior branch officials lobbying on the half of a foreign government. [cheering] the and fifth, i am going to ask congress to pass campaign-finance reform laws. this will go a long way to ending our government corruption. we will end economic stagnation. my plan for the economy can be summed up and three beautiful

words. jobs, jobs, jobs. jobs. they are taking our jobs away. they are going to mexico. they are going all over the place. if they want to leave, there will be consequences. our politicians have worked for years to keep our companies. you want to leave? you want to build whatever you want to build. cars, so many companies. we lost 70,000 factories. 70,000 factories since the signing of nafta. i thought it was a typographical error. i thought 700, 7000. 70,000. at the center of my jobs plan will be fixing our terrible trade deals. they are horrible. 47 million americans are in poverty and 45 million americans are on food stamps.

we have nearly an $800 billion annual trade deficit in goods with the rest of the world and the worst so-called recovery -- by far -- since the great depression. did you see the jobs numbers the other day? horrible. you saw gdp is going to be -- in my opinion -- less than 1%. you know, if china goes to 7%, a -- 7%, 8%, 9%, it's a national catastrophe. if we are less than 1%, which is what it will be, it is like, what else? we will not put up with it. if the clintons who gave us nafta -- he signed it. remember that. bill clinton signed to the worst trade deal in the history of the world. and the clintons who gave us china's entry into the world trade organization -- here in wisconsin -- do we love wisconsin? [cheering] mr. trump: you know why i'm here. first of all i have a lot of friends here. you know why i'm here? i'm here because everyone's

calling me, everyone's calling, saying we're going to win wisconsin. a tough state. it is difficult for a republican to be in this position. we are going to win wisconsin. like briggs & stratton have cut manufacturing jobs and move them where? to china. ge closed its milwaukee location and shipped its jobs to mexico. did you know that sheriff? , that's a lot of jobs. jobs and controls shutters plants in milwaukee. and they move the jobs to mexico and china and moves the jobs all over the place except to hear.

the list goes on and on. many, many companies. leaving wisconsin, leaving everywhere. they are leaving our country. we are living through the single greatest job step in the history of the world. it's true. our companies are being rated. our jobs are being let go. we are being left with unemployment and empty buildings. they end up with cash. they end up with cash, tremendous factories like you've never seen, magnificent plants, jobs all over the place. we end up with -- you know, we end up with two things. unemployment and drugs. they end up with the catch, we end up with the drugs, not so good. a trump administration is going to renegotiate nafta, stand up to china and get along with china. we don't get along with china now. they rip us off. and stop the jobs from leaving our country. i do a lot of business with china. china is wonderful. i wish our people ran our country like -- they are smart people. they are smart people. we don't have smart people

running our country. we have people that are incompetent. we have a president -- we have a president -- all he wants to do is campaign for hillary clinton so she can double your health care costs. [booing] mr. trump: all he does is campaign. this guy -- every time you see him, he is campaigning for clinton, and frankly, he ought to be working on jobs, he ought to be working on the second amendment and the border and all of these things. he ought to be working on taking care of our veterans and our military. but here is the guy, we go into mosul, we go into mosul, and why don't we just going quietly, right? they used to call it a sneak attack? i've been reading about it for four months. no, a primary reason for going in was we wanted to get the leaders of isis, right?

they are gone, folks. they're gone. they are smart people. they read the same newspapers and articles we read. they said, hey, they are going to attack mosul. let's get out of here. they are all over the place. how stupid are our people? can you imagine the great general george patton and george macarthur -- you know what they are doing, right? they are spinning in their graves, and we won't be -- we will be attacking sometime next week. i've been reading about this for months. and honestly, i have always heard -- i always used to wonder what they don't go -- and i met -- i meant like quietly. you remember, they used to call it the element of surprise. now our element of surprise is in four months we will be attacking mosul. i wonder what our generals think about that. not too good. not too good.

as part of our plan to create at at least 25 million jobs in 10 years, we are going to lower our business tax from 35% to 15%. [cheering] we are going to make our nation rich again. we are going to have great companies, we are going to have great jobs are going to come back to america. but to be a rich country, we must be a safe country. national security begins at the border. speaking in a secret meeting to a foreign bank, hillary clinton said her dream is for totally open trade. there goes the rest of your jobs . and open borders. there goes your country. between open trade, your jobs, open borders, your country. other than that she is doing a great job. by open trade, she means for the

-- she means foreign countries can cheat us out of millions of dollars, and really, its trillions and trillions of dollars. by open borders she means totally unlimited immigration. in a secret speech to goldman sachs, she said citizens who want to control immigration are un-american. i don't think so. [booing] mr. trump: deplorable, right? irredeemable. he is a deplorable guy. he looks good to me. hillary thinks most of the country is either deplorable or irredeemable, un-american, racist, or basement dwellers. that is what she called bernie sanders people, basement dwellers. oh, bernie, why did you do it, bernie? you know, his people are saying, why did you do it, bernie? why did you do it? poor bernie. now he has a rally and 100 people show up.

he could have left a great mark on history. now he won't. i think we will get a lot of bernie people, because one of the things that bernie knew was we were getting a bad deal on trade. right now it's a one-way highway out. hillary's plan includes open borders with the middle east meeting generations of radical terrorism within our shores. let me state this as clearly as i can. if i'm elected president, i am going to keep radical islamic terrorists the hell out of our country. [cheering]

[crowd chanting "usa! usa!"] mr. trump: he won't even use the term and neither will she. we will stop the crisis of illegal immigration. have to do it. a trump administration will secure and defend our borders . and yes, we will build the wall we just talked about and you will be -- you know, when we got the endorsement of all the border patrol agents and ice last week -- ice endorsed those. ice. i said to them, tell me about the wall. who knows better than these people? they said, we need the wall, mr. trump. we need the wall. we are going to stop drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth. they are poisoning our youth. poisoning our youth. before our youth get a chance to go and make it, they are being

poisoned by this garbage pouring in from the southern order. -- southern border. the secretary of state hillary clinton allowed thousands of criminal aliens to be released heir home countries would not take them back. we would bring them, we would have a murderer, we would have gangs and gang members. we would bring them back to our country. they intelligently said we don't want them. take them out. and our guys said, ok. hillary clinton never forced these criminals back into their home countries. [booing] mr. trump: i guarantee you not one time as president will you see that happen. there will be no times when we don't take these people and put them into their country where the country is telling us, take them back. we don't want that murderer. that country is taking their people back. there is a reason they are here. if you remember a long time ago, i said, they are forcing some of the people in. let me tell you. we have people in this country that are bad dudes. we are getting them out.

and the country is going to take them. the ice officers in their endorsement of me described hillary's proposal as "the most radical immigration proposal in united states history. here is a summary of hillary's plan. support totally for sanctuary cities. [booing] some bad people are getting security in sanctuary cities. security, medicare. making them all citizens. in many cases they are being treated better than our great veterans. remember that. we are not going to allow it. obamacare for illegal immigrants. no deportation of these over states. expanding catch and release on

the border and you catch them, hey, go ahead, do whatever you want. catch -- it's called catch and release. expanding president obama's executive amnesty including work permits for illegal immigrants. and she wants a 550% increase in syrian refugees. [booing] mr. trump: that is over obama's number. either we win this election or we lose our country. i really believe that. this is it. this is the last shot we have. i sort of felt it last time. i don't just feel it i know it. under a trump administration is going to be america first.

[cheering] mr. trump: and by the way, that is the most beautiful little girl -- hi, honey. look how beautiful. do you want to see me. do you want to come up? come on. the most beautiful little girl. she got all decked out. wow. so beautiful. [crowd noise] mr. trump: oh, come on. no more of those. no more. >> hi.

mr. trump: what's your name? >> [indiscernible] mr. trump: what? say it. >> my name is -- mr. trump: where are your parents? congratulations. what a job. what a beautiful person you are. thank you, honey. boy, they did a good job. come on up here. so beautiful. do you want to say hello? >> hello. mr. trump: what is your name? >> [indiscernible] mr. trump: and do you love wisconsin?

>> yes. mr. trump: beautiful job. beautiful job, mom and dad. we just made two big stars. we made two big stars. two great people. here are some of the amazing things we're going to do for our country starting in 2017. we are going to have one of the biggest job producing tax cuts in american history. it's going to be amazing. we are going to eliminate every unnecessary job killing regulation. we are going to defend religious liberty.

we will provide school choice to every low income child in america. rebuild our depleted military and take care of our great, great, great veterans. we are going to support the men in women of law enforcement. we will again repeal and replace obamacare. here is one that is very important to wisconsin. we will save our second amendment which is under siege. and we will appoint justices to the united states bring court -- united states supreme court who will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. [cheering] mr. trump: you have 22 days to

make every dream you have ever dreamed for yourself and your family come true. on november 8, the arrogance of washington, d.c. well him face-to-face with the righteous verdict of the american voter. i am going to fight for every citizen of every background. i'm going to fight for every child living in poverty. we have so much poverty in this country which is so hard to believe. i'm going to fight for every mom who lost their child to illegal immigration and drugs and gun violence. i'm going to fight for every community whose jobs and dreams have been ripped out and shipped to other countries. so many. i am going to fight for every person in this country who believes government should serve the people, not the donors and

special interests. [cheering] i am going to fight to bring us all together. we live in a very divided country. there is going to be spirit. we are going to get along. imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people under one god saluting one american flag. [crowd chanting "usa! usa!"] mr. trump: boy, i'll tell you, wisconsin loves this country. you really do. you people are amazing.

in 10, 20, 30, 40 years you will look back at this rally -- for the rest of your lives, you are going to remember this day. this is a movement like nobody in this country has ever seen before. you are going to look back at this election and say this is by far the most important vote i have ever cast for anyone at any time. because once again we are going to have a government of, by and for the people. [cheering] mr. trump: you will see things start to happen. we are going to make america wealthy again. we are going to make america strong again. we are make america safe again.

and we are going to make america great again. thank you. thank you. thank you very much. >> watch c-span's live coverage between donald trump and hillary clinton on wednesday night. our preview from the university of nevada las vegas -- the debriefing for the studio audience is at 8:30 p.m. eastern. the debate is at 9:30 p.m. eastern. stay with us for viewer reaction. watch the debate live or on-demand using your desktop, phone or tablet. listen to live coverage on your phone with the c-span radio app. downloaded from the app store or google plus. >> c-span brings you more debates from key senate u.s. races. today, live coverage on c-span2 of the debate in indiana.

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-- our live coverage begins at 6:30 eastern starting on c-span. here is a preview of the dinner. >> describe michelle obama's style. >> her state dinner style? >> yes, apply it to state dinners. >> i think mrs. obama dresses for these occasions, the thing that really distinguishes her sensibility from that of first ladies who have come before her, i feel like it is much more rooted in contemporary hollywood idea of what is glamorous. she's not wearing anything particularly revealing, high slits, anything like that, that there is a certain kind of modern edge to it that really taps into what we're used to seeing coming down the red carpet.

less regal and more glamorous. >> has it changed over the past eight years? her approach to the state dinners? >> i think her look has gotten to be in some ways a little more relaxed, if that makes sense. within that framework of glamour. i think -- when i think back to her first state dinner which was for india, the dress was gorgeous. her hair was up. she had bracelets, the whole shebang. she looked wonderful, but then i think some of the later dinners where she wore a dress by carolyn herrera. even though it was still quite a grand dress, there was i think an informality to it. it felt more like glamour sports wear as opposed to a full sort of head to toe look. >> what do you think the impact has been of her choices for these state dinners on the role

of first lady but also on some have called them diplomatic art, on diplomacy? >> well, you know, i think the first thing is we all want to be proud of the people who are in the white house, and we want to be proud of their hospitality. we want to -- you know, we want them to put their best foot forward. now i think very simply she's presented herself in a way that i think makes most people feel like, yeah, you know, we can stand up on the world stage alongside of, you know, folks from france and italy where the notion of fashion is really something that's embedded into their culture. the other part of it is that, you know, these are really momentous moments that, you know, the photographs are going to go into the history books and for any design house that is enormous.

not only puts them into the public vernacular in a way that red carpets don't but it also puts them in the history books. so it brings a certain gravity for what they do. it's the idea that the american fashion industry is just as important of an industry as the food, the auto industry, all the other things that go into creating that state dinner. >> how does she go about choosing her dress and choosing the designer? >> well, when we paint each other's fingernails and brush each other's hair she tells me. my sense is that the first thing is that she wears what she loves, and she wears what she feels comfortable in. that said, i do think there is some attention paid to the country that's being honored, a

desire to acknowledge that either directly by working with the designer who perhaps has, you know, that sort of ethnicity in their background and sometimes it's just a matter of paying tribute to a particular color or flower or something that is important to that country. >> last fall you wrote when you were covering the state dinner for the chinese premiere that wanghose a mirror -- dress. you said by choosing that it wasn't an apology, it wasn't a mea culpa but it was a diplomatic clarification. can you explain? >> now i'm trying to remember what the dress looked like. >> the black dress that she wore, the vera wang dress, black

mermaid style dress as opposed to the one she chose for the first chinese state dinner. >> right. well, the first chinese state dinner, it was a beautiful dress, it was red. it was designed by sarah burton from alexandra mcqueen, which was a british fashion house. and vera wang is a very well-known chinese-american designer, and the first go round mrs. obama had gotten criticism from particularly the american fashion industry, particularly oscar de larenta who felt that this is one of those occasions when she had the opportunity to elevate american design and to wear a dress by an american designer and he felt -- many in the fashion industry felt that she had missed an opportunity. and i think in many ways he felt hurt that she looked outside of 7th avenue for a dress for the occasion. so this is a bit of a do over and i think there was a little bit of a -- you know, an acknowledgment that perhaps the first time was a misstep. >> do you have a favorite dress from these past eight years, state dinners?

>> you know, i thought the carolyn herrera dress was particularly elegant. it in many ways was rather traditional, but i'm also really fond of the last one she wore by brandon maxwell and in part because it was simply such a surprise. i think one of the things that she does quite well, one of the reasons why people are sort of eager to see what she's going to wear is because she doesn't just go with design house that is have been around for decades. she doesn't go with the tried and true, the vetted designers. brandon markwell hadn't been in business for more than a year. her inaugural gown designer had not been in business very long when she first reached out to him. that's really nice to see because she really is supporting small businesses in the true sense of the word.

>> robin govan, thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. >> the ambassador, how did the state visit come about? >> the important event came as a sign of a special relationship between president barack obama and the prime minister renzi. cooks how did italy get selected for what could be the president's last state dinner? >> a long-standing tradition. we are partners and allies. we have very strong community. our two leaders share the same view. they do consider democracies have to come together and both united states and italy have a

special relation and responsibility. >> why now? >> >> italy they will chair the g7 and they are in -- a member of the security council. the g7 and be a member of the united nations security council. next year in march, we will be celebrating 60 years in the eu. it is important that italy as a prominent member of the eu confirms the importance of european integration. this broaderin european framework, we rank among the priorities of the president. >> describe our relationship, italy, -- italy-u.s., how are we working together? in the military, standing side in many theaters. we share