trump? we know -- look, i know a lot of republican voters are just ordinary folks, neighbors and friends. most of them don't think the way that donald trump does. there are legitimate differences between the parties, but there has to be a point that you have to stand for something more than party or more for than just your own career. here is the thing. trump did not come out of nowhere. for years, republican politicians and far right media outlets have just been pumping out all kinds of toxic, crazy stuff. first of all, there was the "birther" thing. then, they started saying climate change was a chinese hoax. according to them, i am powerful enough to cause these hurricanes

, and i am about to steal everybody's guns in the middle of the night and declare martial law. but somehow i need a teleprompter to finish the sentence. [laughter] pres. obama: they have been saying crazy stuff. there are a lot of politicians like marco rubio who know better , but they look the other way. they figure, if we can stir folks up and think that barack or hillary or others are doing these terrible things we are saying they're doing, that will help us get the votes. we will just oppose anything they are trying to do, and maybe we will he end up having more power in washington. so they just stood by and said nothing, even though they knew better. while their base actually

started believing some of this stuff. i say this because donald trump did not start all of this. like he usually does, he just slapped his name on it and took credit for it and promoted the heck out of it. [cheers and applause] pres. obama: over the last couple of weeks after those videos came out on that bus, there were a number of republican politicians who walked away from donald trump. apparently a tape where a presidential candidate brags about actions that, if you hear what he is saying, qualify as sexual assault, apparently that was the deal breaker for them. or at least his poll numbers dropping after the tape came out was the dealbreaker for them. night, did you hear trump try to run away from comments on

the recording, and then started laughing when he said, "i really respect women"? did you see that? here's my question. why would it take this long for republican senators and republican congressmen and republican governors and state -- whyd state senators would it take this long to figure out that donald trump shouldn't be president? if you have made a career of idolizing ronald reagan, then where were you when your party's nominee for president was kissing up to vladimir putin, the former kgb officer? you used to criticize me for even talking to the russians,

now suddenly you are ok with your nominee having a bromance with putin -- [cheers and applause] if you come from a family of immigrants, like almost everybody who does unless you are native american, where were you when your party's nominee for president called immigrants "criminals and rapists"? if you say you love the constitution, you say obama is overreaching with his executive actions, he has been violating the constitution and should be impeached, but then you stand up and nominate and support a guy who says that he would silence reporters, jail his political

opponent in the middle of a debate, deport whoever he wants, i mean, i assume you have some familiarity with the first amendment, the fifth amendment, the 14th amendment? why weren't you offering them your pocket constitution like mr. khan did? [applause] pres. obama: if you are republican official or leader of there, and you have run for office on family values, why wouldn't you walk away from him months ago when you heard your nominee for president called women "pigs" and "dogs" and

"slobs," and grade them not for their character or intellect but on a scale of 1 to 10? you don't have to be a husband or a father to stand up for women. you don't have to have a disability to say it is wrong to mock somebody with a disability. you don't have to be a muslim to stand up for fellow citizens who are just as patriotic as we are. you just have to be a decent person, and you just have to love this country. [cheers and applause] pres. obama: so i don't give a lot of credit to folks who are just now trying to walk away from donald trump. although i will say i will say i am even more confused by republican politicians who still support donald trump. marco rubio is one of those people. how does that work?

how can you call him a "con artist" and "dangerous" and object to all of the controversial things he has said and then say, "but i am still going to vote for him"? come on, man. come on, man. you know what that is? it is the height of cynicism. that's a sign of somebody who will say anything, do anything, pretend to be anybody just to get elected. and you know what? if you are willing to be anybody just to be somebody, then you don't have the leadership that florida needs in the united states senate. that's not the leadership that you need. that's why you have to vote for patrick murphy. that's why you have to vote for

hillary clinton to you have to start voting early on monday. go to iwillvote.com. there is only one way we lose this election. just 1 -- if we don't turn out to vote. the only way. we have to do it big. we have to leave no doubt. donald you notice, the is already whining, saying the game is rigged before it is even over. except today he said, of course, "it's not rigged if i win." you know, and by the way, i will say, all the republicans -- not all, but most, have acknowledged there is no way to rig an election in a country this big.

i do not know if donald trump has actually been to a polling place where you have democrats and republicans who are in charge of taking the votes, he know, he doesn't even worry if what he says is true. this is just him worried that he is losing. which means he really doesn't have what it takes to hold this job because i will tell you, there is a lot of time in this job where things do not go your way. when you suggest -- i made this before, and i want to repeat it here this is more than the usual standard -- when used you suggest rigging or fraud without a shred of evidence, when last night at the debate

, trump becomes the first major party nominee and american history to suggest that he will not concede, despite losing the vote, and then says today that he will accept the results if he wins, that is not a joking matter. no, no, no. i want everybody to pay attention here. that is dangerous. when you try to sow the seeds of doubt in people's minds about the legitimacy of our election, that undermines our democracy. then you are doing the work of our adversaries for them. because our democracy depends on people knowing that their vote matters. the those who occupy the seats of power were chosen by the people.

even when your preferred candidate loses, even when you are the one who is running and you lose, you have to see the bigger picture and say that here in america, we believe in democracy, and we accept the will of the people. i am telling you, florida, your vote does matter and your vote does count. in this whole notion of voter fraud, listen, one study shows out of one billion votes cast, there were 31 proven cases of voter fraud. 31 out of one billion. you are much likelier to get lightning than to have

somebody next to you commit voter fraud. you would win the powerball. so that's why i am glad to see republicans coming out and saying that kind of talk is nonsense. i mean, after all, in florida here, you have a republican governor. [crowd booing] pres. obama: don't boo. booing gets you nowhere. you have a republican governor in ohio, north carolina, georgia, nevada, iowa, and texas and arizona. are they all in on this rigging? they're not going to rig the election for hillary clinton. even marco rubio said there is no rigging up vote, which i would like to give credit for. except he is refuting the

claim of a candidate he says he will still vote for. it gives you one more bit of proof that marco seems to just care about hanging onto his job. patrick murphy cares about you. listen, i have lost an election before. it is no fun. winning is better. but when you lose, you congratulate your opponent. you look inside yourself, and you figure out, "what did i do wrong?", and then you work harder and try to win the next time. that is how democracy works. that is what real leaders do. democracy is a challenge, and it is supposed to be. but you cannot just look out for yourself and your own best interests, you have to look out for america's best interest. not just when it is easy, but when it is hard. that is what patrick murphy understands. that is what hillary clinton has done her entire life. she knows that in this big,

country, democracy cannot work if all we are about is trying to destroy somebody in the other party, if we demonize each other. if we block supreme court appointments, not because that is how it is supposed to work, but because we did not win. she knows that issues are not black or white, that progress requires compromise, even when you are 100% right, you has to still compromise in a country like this. she knows that nobody is perfect, but we should try to conduct ourselves with the same decency and generosity that we try to teach our own children. you know what? that kind of steadiness, that kind of responsibility that is the attitude of just doing the right thing, it doesn't always grab the headlines.

our politics cannot be boiled down to a tweet. i know in this election season, sometimes politics has seemed cheap and trivial and frustrating. you have a chance to reject that kind of politics. you can reject divisive politics. you can reject mean-spirited politics. you don't have to let this country go backwards. you have a chance to move it forward and elect a woman the first female president who has spent her entire life trying to make this country better. [cheers and applause] pres. obama: somebody who has worked hard, even when she's she has fallen short. somebody who has worked hard, even when she is attacked. that takes guts and courage. don't fall for the easy cynicism

that says your vote doesn't matter. don't believe that notion that all politicians are the same. that is what hillary's opponent wants you to think so you lose faith or give up or you stay home. don't do that. i promise you, your vote does matter, and if you have any doubt, ask the 20 million people who have health care today who did not have it before you voted. ask the marine who can serve the country without hiding the husband that he loves. ask him if your vote matters. as the autoworker who saw his factory go dark but now is working a double shift. find out from him if your vote matters. i just came from miami-dade college.

they have students from about 100 different countries. ask those young immigrants, those kids who have earned an opportunity to stay and study and become doctors and lawyers. young people like dominique, just as talented as malia and sasha. ask them if your vote matters. they know it does. donald trump has nothing to offer but anger and grievance and blame. taskasks, "whatment do you have to lose?" i am here to tell you, everything. you know how much progress we have made despite the opposition, despite the forces of discrimination and the

politics of backlash. that progress didn't stop with my presidency. we are just getting started. progress is on the ballot. civility is on the ballot. tolerance is on the ballot. justice is on the ballot. equality is on the ballot. our democracy is on the ballot. hillary clinton will advance those things. donald trump wants to reverse progress, marco rubio wants to help him. you want to give me a good sendoff? you want to give michelle a good sendoff? [cheers and applause] pres. obama: join us. work as hard for hillary and patrick as you did for us. if you care about our democracy, do not stay home. you have to get in the arena. you have to vote. that's what this democracy is about. it is not a spectator sport. you want to give me a good

sendoff go knock on some doors. , sign up as a volunteer. make some phone calls. go talk to your friends. if you do that, we will win this election. we will elect patrick murphy your next senator. we will elect hillary clinton the next president. we will show our kids and the rest of the world why america remains the greatest nation in the world. thank you, miami. god bless you. god bless the united states of america. [cheers and applause] ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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>> hillary and donald trump continue their tour of influential swing states. sector a clinton will medicare a campaign stop in cleveland, ohio, live as oracle and 30 come on our companion network, he sent to -- c-span2. >> c-span's "washington journal" , live every day with news and policy issues that impact you, and coming up this morning, jim , talks senior writer about the campaign during the final weeks of the campaign. then angie, editor for political , on how the truth and accuracy of the candidates'

statements are measured. watch "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern this morning. new hampshire senator kelly ayotte is in a tight race with governor maggie hassan. costs and health care the opiate crisis in a debate last week, hosted by local radio station wgir. about 25 minutes. when i worked to do as governor and what i hope to do in the united states senate i were hard-working people know that if they're working every day, they can get ahead and stay with stay ahead, where we grow our middle class so we are all thriving together and where participants are confident again that their kids are going to have a better future. that's the vision that democrats share, and because we share that, and because it's a vision that hillary clinton shares, i support hillary clinton. i know it's a vision that bernie

sanders supporters share, and that's why so many of them support hillary clinton as well. now, i will never fail to stand up to leaders in my own party as i have. for instance, i differ with secretary clinton and the president on the president's proposal to close guantanamo. i don't support that proposal. i differ with the president on the tpp. i don't support it. i differ with secretary clinton on the internet sales tax, i differ with secretary clinton on taking a temporary pause to make sure that our vetting system is for refugees is as effective as absolutely possible. so those are issues i've stood up to hillary clinton about, but let me just be clear -- to equate hillary clinton and donald trump in the same sentence is unacceptable. and i am very concerned, what you didn't hear my opponent say is why she supported donald trump for over a year as he made one sexist comment after the next, after he made one racist comment after the next and made fun of people with disabilities, he is a man who seems to think

cruelty is a sport, and her support for him has been >> rebuttal, senator ayotte. sen. ayotte: well, first of all, i've renounced donald trump's statements on many occasions on issues that governor hassan has identified, and i've clearly said where i stand on donald trump and hillary clinton. i won't be voting for either of them, and again -- >> are you writing in mike pence? sen. ayotte: i will be. if you look at the issues the governor has and talked about recently, she was interviewed about bringing 65,000 syrian refugees here and she would not answer where she stood on that.

so when you think about issues about protecting the country, the iran agreement and when you hear her talk about differences these are not major differences -- >> we will come back to that. quick comment, governor. hassan: senator ayotte until last saturday was willing to put donald trump in the situation room with access to nuclear codes, and he is the same person on saturday as he was on friday as he was the previous day and that shows a very concerning lack of judgment . and with regard to secretary clinton's refugee proposal, i don't think we should be talking about numbers at all. i think we should be taking a temporary pause and improving the vetting system. >> can i move on? you can come onto any point you want. next question was brought of you by one of you in the beginning. one of the things, i believe, listeners are feeling and wondering when we are going to talk about economy, healthcare costs are going up in new hampshire, they're not coming

down. deductibles are going up, the affordable care act was supposed to make it more affordable. why is health care more expensive and some are saying it's effecting the ability for businesses to grow, do you support it, and why are costs higher? gov. hassan: we have to make improvements and healthcare costs are a continuing concern as they for a long time. one of the reasons i ran because a law passed in new hampshire that raised premiums by 200% to 300% by small businesses, and i was part of coalition to overturn that law and begin to take on insurance companies and work to improve access. but here is the thing about the affordable care act, while there are issues with it, and we do need to make improvements, we don't wanting to back to a time before the affordable care act where people with preexisting conditions couldn't get health insurance.

we certainly don't want to repeal medicaid expansion, we have a bipartisan new hampshire health protection program that is medicaid expansion. over 50,000 hard working have coverage because of it, including substance abuse and behavioral coverage that wasn't available before. and washington keeps voting to repeal that medicaid expansion. i will block any attempt to take away health care from 50,000 hard-working people. repealing the device tax, repealing the cadillac tax, getting devices to market more quickly. >> thank you, governor. affordable care act, senator ayyotte. your thoughts on health care costs. just quickly, donald trump and republicans, a lot of people say we need to repeal it. it is probably not realistic politically speaking. so what do you replace it with? first on the a formal care act,

-- first against it, on the affordable care act, if you are against it, what do you replace it with? sen. ayotte: the affordable care act is not so affordable for people in new hampshire. when it was passed, we were told if you liked your plan, you can keep it. the claim was that families would be paying $2,500 less. they're paying so much more. we are waiting to hear the increase this year. higher deductibles and higher copays. less money in people's pockets. exchange, 11,000 people had to find new insurance as a result of it. even president bill clinton said this is a crazy system where you have hard-working people who are being cross haired and so much. more. i want to have more competition, more choice, not one size fits all from washington. i want to expand health savings

accounts, flexible spending accounts. i do want to make sure we address preexisting conditions and those who need the support who can afford health care, but it shouldn't be done in the way that it's been done. this is an issue where if you want to make significant changes to the affordable care act, there is a big difference in this race, and i will be fight to go make sure that people in new hampshire have affordable health care and are paying higher premiums from the one size fits all from washington , which we have seen from this bill. in fact, secretary clinton wants to expand affordable care act as oppose to really addressing opportunity mentally the problems with it. >> governor, quick rebuttal. we have more insured now. that's very important. so is taking on prescription drug costs and big pharma in order to address healthcare

costs, something we have done at the state level when we realized that pharmacy companies were playing gimmicks in terms of charges for basic products. in the state health insurance plan. we sat down with our employees and found a way to lower those costs. one of my concerns, and a difference between senator ayotte, she talks about changing the affordable health act but she vote today repeal the medicaid. >> a quick rebuttal. to. ayotte: i actually voted give state its flexibility to design the program how they want to design it. what about higher deductibles, less choice, couldn't keep the plan that they liked, and this is a crazy system, and we have to address it. and this is a big difference in the case. i will fight to address for more choice, more opportunity for people to have lower healthcare costs. >> i think both of you have been

a part of my show. sometimes i like to break the format a little bit with quick questions. senator, the next question is for you, but before we leave this, because we may not come back to this, some people may want to know where you're both at, for example, on american corporate tax rate. there's been a lot of debate in that but it never seems -- nothing gets done in washington. is the american corporate tax rate, short answer, please, too high, yes or no, and where do you think it should be ballpark, what percentage, right now 35%. too high or not? gov. hassan: too high for some corporations, other corporations get huge tax breaks, you have to take a comprehensive response. i'm proud of the fact that we cut corporate taxes in new hampshire and i will say i hope we can come back to one of senator ahead,'s because it was doublespeak -- senator ayotte's because it was

washington doublespeak. >> too high? sen. ayotte: absolutely too high. we are in a position both for small businesses and large businesses. we have some of the highest taxes in the world and our jobs are going overseas. talking about doublespeak, she talks about cutting business taxes she vetoed the budget , because of the business tax reduction -- >> i'm going to come back to some state-house stuff or issues in a moment, before i get to the debt, one other quick question, you were talking about healthcare costs and some people may want to know this, medicaid expansion has been brought up a lot. you both can come back to this on your own. governor, i think you said 50,000 people in new hampshire of lower-income people get health care. gov. hassan: hard-working, low-work income people. >> you take things like some of the public programs, the food stamp bet program, medicaid expansion, do you think in -- on the republican side, senator forrester just raised this, should we have any kind of work

testing if someone can do some part time or full-time work to get them off some of the programs if they can, or do you think that's unacceptable? and that's just a quick question for both of you and we have to get on to the format? gov. hassan: yes, i think that we should be able to encourage that, and that's absolutely has capability to design programs that are best going to serve the people that need help and give them the opportunity to have a good paying job and better quality of life. >> governor. >> governor. gov. hassan: let's just go back to one thing.

the concern i had of what senator said when she said she voted to expand medicaid expansion, she vote today repeal it five times and the expansion says she will wait a year or two before she takes away health care from 50,000 hard-working people. but let's talk about getting people off of public assistance. i have a gateway to work program proposal that right now is being blocked by republicans in the state legislature, but i'm hoping that we will make progress on it, and it would help people get into the workforce off of public assistance. i have that story after story. >> can i move on? gov. hassan: no. i want to work together and address the issues of rising health care costs. hassannot hear governor -- sen. ayotte: no. i want to work together and address the rising cost of health care costs. we did not hear governor has san address it. >> i am allowing the back and

forth on substances, you will notice. it debt, the national debt, changes, it is going up, it is closer to $20 trillion. is it a problem and specifically i'm going to start with you, senator, tell me specific ways we could cut it? is it programs, would you cut a program? how can we cut the debt and is it a problem because you don't hear much about it in the national mediate? sen. ayotte: totally unacceptable as the mother for two children, for all of us every committee that i serve on , i am looking for ways to cut wasteful spending whether defense committee eliminating wasteful programs like a missile to no where, money that was flowing in our enemies' hands. i worked across the aisle with joe mansion on a bill duplicational elimination act so all of these reports that come out every year that talk about waste fraud, abuse duplication would actually require not only the president but the congress

to vote on them and address them. on the budget committee, i helped craft the first balance d budget in 15 years, and also i feel strongly that we do have to do things differently. i would like us to undertake tax reform because i think if we do that, we can have more revenue. if we make our businesses competitive that keep jobs here that help us address the debt and make our economy stronger as well, and governor hassan really has a record of proposing significant spending increases as governor and also tax increases on how she wants to pay for spending, including when she was a state senator, the llc tax on our small businesses that would be basically income tax on small businesses, you know, fees, car registration, camp sites, you name it, she wants to tax it. i don't think that we should be

taxing our way to addressing the debt. isthe original question -- it a problem, and if so, how would you lower and you can address any other points in that? gov. hassan: yes, it's a problem and i have a fiscal plan that your listeners can look up on our website that addresses reforming our budget process. i support senator shaheen's effort to reduce and eliminate wasteful spending. i would eliminate tobacco subsidies. we need to make data-driven decisions in federal government, something that the federal government doesn't do very much to see if programs are working and we are getting good return on dollars. we have to strengthen and reform medicare and social security, but we also have to make sure medicare and social security are there for the people who have paid into it and who have earned the benefits, and this is a big difference between senator ayotte and myself. she has voted to turn medicare .nto a voucher system

then we also have to make sure that we have the economic growth that allows us to continue to grow and continue to work on reducing our national debt. now, the last budget i proposed as governor was actually adjusted for inflation about 250 million dollars less than the one that craig benson come our last republican governor and a enacted.n legislator fo , ande cut business taxes we cut business taxes while also investing in the economic property. the number one thing businesses talk to me as a 21st -- talk to 21st century 2 workforce. sen. ayotte: i firmly believe

when he to strengthen medicare and social security. this is really important. hassan and her proposed budget proposed cutting $7 million from nursing homes, and so if we want to talk about protecting seniors, i have done it, and i'm also for reforming them. i also want to address the younger generation. medicare, absolutely, if we do not address it in 2028, i firmly believe protecting seniors, i fought to do that. you hear her talk about the tax situation, she proposed in her on cara 25% increase registration. she proposed numerous tax increases, and she vetoed the budget she now claims credit for that wanted to reduce business taxes. >> governor do you want to , respond? gov. hassan: i'm just going to say this, it's not surprising to hear senator ayotte after her

years in washington fail to appreciate that you can actually stand up for fiscal responsibility, as i did when i vetoed the budget, then work across party lines to broker a compromise and get to a place we got important safeguards in place so that we could both cut taxes and protect critical investments and critical things like substance abuse funding and you know what, there's enough credit to go around, and that's something that is just so different from washington. senator ayotte voted with ted cruz five times to shut down the government, and i think there's a real difference in approach here. >> i was going to move on, but you both keep talking about the budget in new hampshire. so i'm going to come back next question is for the governor. the majority leader was on my show on wednesday said this week , and maybe some of the paid advertising, which i will come back to you and both can respond, i'm not talking

third-party groups. he is taking offense that you are taking credit for the budget that you be told with a reduction of business taxes, and somewhat safe say during that time, it was period of a few months, that as part of that was money that could go to drug war, those were his words on wednesday. are you taking credit for what the senate leader's budget for political gain? gov. hassan: first of all, unlike washington, what we did after because the numbers do not add up, and so we kept government running and funded while we negotiated a compromise, we kept the government running and funded. a compromise that had very important safeguards so that with those business cuts we didn't have to be concerned that in a year or two years we wouldn't have the money to continue to address our

substance misuse challenge, and so i think there's plenty of credit to go around. i think it's getting to be a little bit of a political sly season where everybody is arguing about who should get credit to what. i do wanting to back to a couple of things that senator ayotte said. on medicare, her record is what it is, and people should look it up for themselves but she has vote today turn medicare to voucher program and cosponsored a bill in 2011 that the aarp said would be -- challenging difficult for medicare and social security recipients. on the nursing home point that she made, we were able with careful management to make sure that the nursing homes did get that increase in funding, but what i was instructed to do by the budget that the legislature passed was make $7 million in cuts generally from a health and human services budget, and i decided when i had to name how i would do that to delay

increases, not cut, nursing home budgets. >> senator, you can respond to senator bradley's criticism but a criticism of you from the governor side, and i believe this is from her campaign versus third party. i would like to stay clear in third party spots you don't control those. in addition you can comment on the last comment on the budget and who is taking credit or not but also a criticism of you from the governor, you can respond in your 90 seconds. you're in the pockets of big oil, big insider, that's been a constant attack on you. sen. ayotte: yeah, first of all with the budget, you want to talk about acting like washington, she vetoed a budget, delayed money to address our heroin epidemic, to address mental health beds that we needed at the time. basically, she said, they would blow a $90 million hole and eventually agreed to those reductions was overriden by own

party and the opposite party on the budget and now takes credit for it. so this is just -- you want to talk about taking credit for something and double speak, that's been clear about the budget, and that's why bradley is upset about it and other leaders who worked hard to craft the budget that she vetoed. when it comes to medicare, i first of all, let me just be clear, i have actually received an award by the work done by the aarp, work i've done on care giving, work i've done for seniors, and in terms of medicare, we do need to preserve it. i voted to preserve and strengthen medicare part b, stop advantage cuts, and i wouldn't do anything to hurt my mother or any senior on medicare, i want to strengthen it. but for the younger generations, i have supported giving them choice on whether they want medicare as it is or they want

to have other choices, but not anyone at or near retirement, and so for her to say we shouldn't look at different ways to address lower costs for medicare, i'm making sure have medicare so it doesn't have belly up. that is not solving the problem. >> thank you. governor, you time for rebuttal. so first of all on medicare and big corporation interest, senator ayotte has failed to stand up to big pharma, which is a big funder of her campaign to low medicaid to negotiate. she has voted to allow importation drugs from canada, which would help us lower costs, including in medicare and she has failed to -- i think she's voted against to allow generic drugs to get to markets more quickly. she also stood with wall street in voting against closing tax loopholes for hedge fund managers. she has stood with big oil over and over again at the expense of

our natural resources, so the record is there and i'm happy to talk more about it should your listeners want. >> do you have a rebuttal? sen. ayotte: this is one of the governor's favorite talking points when there's -- you looked at your tv the hundreds of -- could be up to $100 million in this race. i offered her the people's pledge, the same pledge that senator shaheen offered, and she didn't want to keep the money out. she talks about big pharma, first of all, that's not true that i don't want to get generic drugs to market. i've pushed for that, and by the way, when it comes to big pharma, you know, she's actually raising money from lobbyists for big pharma and doesn't want to talk about that and raising money for lawyers that represent wall street and seeking taxpayer bailouts, anything thing to go down the line on each issue. >> ok that was 30. real quick. gov. hassan: $2.5 million from

wall street to senator ayotte's campaign at this point voting brotherswith the koch nearly 90% of her time in office, and failing to go stand up to pharma. one more thing, jack, i support overturning citizens united , which has allowed dark money to politics. strengthen people's pledge, and the senator did not want to negotiate. sen. ayotte: let's talk about her favorite talking point, the so-called koch brothers. they have stood up to me. what are running ads is liberal groups supported by harry reid, mike schumer, mike bloomberg feis >> money in politics a lot of people don't like. and this is the most expensive race in the country. gov. hassan: those are the

special interest supporting her race. >> we could spend the rest of the hour, and i would rather move onto other issues if i may. before i go to that, i don't want miss important topics, this is a quick one to both of you if you could. i will give you 30 seconds each. second amendment, gun-control efforts, gun ownership, and the right to bear guns. a lot of our listeners care about this amendment. i just know that from my show. in general, i think you both said you're prosecond amendment , but if you want to characterize your opponent for a moment, are there any differences whether it's on background checks, any additional gun control laws if you're elected, for example, governor, or reelected, senator, that you would support that you feel are necessary that may come before you as a senator, any difference between you two on gun control? and i will start with you governor, very quickly. gov. hassan: i fully support second amendment rights, right for responsible gun owners to

hunt, recreate and protect homes. the biggest difference and i have supported gun safety laws that former governor melton thompson said worked pretty well. the biggest difference is senator ayotte has the repeatedly had the opportunity to vote to expand background checks so people who have gun can circumvent and it can be a big difference between us.... >> thank you for the answer, senator. sen. ayotte: i spent my career focusing on keeping new hampshire safe, attorney general, working with victims of violent crime. i strongly support the second amendment, and there's a big reason in this race. governor hassan has an f from the nra, she vetoed bills to protect rights of gun owners in new hampshire, when it comes to enforcing law to keep us safe from criminals and terrorists not having guns, i've supported strengthening the prosecutions of violations of our laws, i've

supported making sure that if you're a terrorist you can't have access to a firearm. i want to make sure that i protect the second amendment rights for people of new hampshire. >> can i move on? gov. hassan: that's fine. >> it has to do one of the subjects that's come up in your race, it's part of the story, if you look at the tabloid story on e-mail leaks, but the iranian nuclear agreement. i would have to say a lot of people are confused by this because they hear secretary of state john kerry, the president saying it's a good agreement, we had no choice, good long-term to keep the proliferation of nuclear weapons over time and iran down, but then you hear stories that it's it's a bad agreement, we sold out that it , that we sold out, that it is a form of appeasement, that it could lead to iranian nation, if you will, enriching uranium outside of our control and producing a nuclear weapon. so you criticized governor hassan, good or bad agreement

, and what's your concern with it? sen. ayotte: very bad deal, bad deal because it's going to allow iran to keep basic nuclear infrastructure that will allow it to legitimately seek to have nuclear weapon's capability at what have we seen from the bad behavior of iran testing ballistic missiles, writing on the side of some of the missiles they are testing that they want to wipe israel out of the face of the earth. there's no reason why iran should be focusing on ballistic missiles unless they want to hit united states or allies with a the nuclear weapon. think about the cash that they're supporting, money that they have gotten from the administration supporting terrorism. they are threatening naval vessels and supporting groups in yemen that are taking aggressive steps against us most recently. so this is a bad deal for our

country and it is one that makes us less safe and our allies less safe and one that i've opposed. i think that we should have taken a much stronger position and not allowing them to keep their nuclear infrastructure to address ballistic missile program and support for terrorism which has grown and continues with this deal in place. >> governor, you've been criticized by senator ayotte on the show of the iranian nuclear deal. good or bad deal? gov. hassan: iran must never get a nuclear weapon and never will as long as i have anything to say about it like senator and foreign policy and national security experts in both political parties i think that this is imperfect and important agreement and it is the first step in many that we need to take to continue hold iran

accountable and continue to protect israel among others. one of the things your listeners should know is israeli military chief of staff said that this deal removed the most -- the biggest threat to israel's existence and he and many military leaders in israel support this deal, not because it's perfect but because as a result of the deal, iran has destroyed much of its nuclear infrastructure and is much farther away from getting a nuclear weapon than it was before the deal was made and that's the end of the day what this is about. we need to do more to help israel maintain its military superiority, we need to do more to hold iran accountable. i would support extending the iran sanction's act but at the end of the day when you listen to israeli military leaders this has removed the threat to israel's existence and it's a first step in many. >> you get a rebuttal. sen. ayotte: i would listen to

the leader of israel, president netanyahu, and called a mistake. officials including defense minister continue to oppose this agreement and are concerned when they know that their ballistic missile is being tested that are written in hebrew on the side that say we must wipe israel off the face of the earth and they have a regime that deny it is holocaust, that continues to promote aggression to israel by supporting groups like hamas and hezbollah. well, this agreement enables iran to have the infrastructure to have -- >> i'm going to stand on this quickly because i want to get to other foreign policy and real quickly both of you. the next president may ask for authorization if determined that iran is not living up to this agreement and they do have nuclear weapon ready to go and

israel tell us it's verifiable, how far should we go in stopping them? should it be taken out? sen. ayotte: that is quite a hypothetical. everything is on the table to protect the united states of america, right? everything is on the table to protect israel because israel ad the united states have an unshakennable alliance based not only on interest but values. we need to do everything we can to keep israel secure and to make sure that it preserves democratic and jewish character. that is for sure. before this agreement iran was under the cloak of darkness.

this is an imperfect agreement but it keeps us safer and we have to keep working to do other things as well. >> senator, can we move on? sen. ayotte: i think this issue is far from imperfect. it's just a bad deal. >> next question for the governor, syria is in the news a lot. isn't it refreshing for people that are listening to debate thanks to our friends at eastern bank commercial free but isn't it nice to hear issues, just a comment. governor, syria, very important situation and it is in complete and utter mess. assad killing children, civil war basically and we could go whole hour on this but what should our role be there and debated on the presidential side about this, did we by not getting involved in that civil war a few years created vacuum for isis to form, should we go in? should we go in and punish assad for what he is doing? should we stay out? a lot of people want to know and vef veterans on the line here.