politics co-public per gary pearce talks about the clinton campaign and what he's doing to win in the tar heel state. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. isit ncicap.org] host: it is the "washington journal" for october 24, 15 days before election day. today on the c-span network, hillary clinton in manchester, new hampshire. she will appear alongside senator elizabeth warren. you can see that event live on c-span. donald trump received his first major newspaper endorsement. other stories highlighting the fact that the paper was purchased by sheldon adelson, a longtime supporter of republicans. we want to hear from you in our first 45 minutes on your thoughts on why you think your candidate should be president.

so first of all, pick the line that best represents you and then second, be ready to tell us why you think that person should get the job of the white house and leader of the free world. 202-748-8000 -- 202-748-8001 if you support donald trump. 202-748-8000 if you support hillary clinton. you are a third party person, 202-748-8002. and then if you want to also call our undecided line, 202-748-8003. our social media page is c-span e to use well at . -- c-span.org this is the courtesy of real clear politics which keeps a collection of individual polls and collects those polls in average number. i want to take a look at the general election. it quotes the investor's business daily tip tracking

poll. this is a daily poll with clinton 42 and trump 43. and the "l.a. times" poll has the two candidates tied. looking at the battleground state in florida, when they match the four-way race between mr. trump, mrs. clinton, gary johnson and joe stein, it shows clint -- clinton with a three-point advantage. marco rubio art, up by two. and that's courtesy of real clear politics. "politico" has a story taking a look at the strategy of the clinton campaign and the days after the end of the debate and the days after the election. the story entitled clinton cast trump aside saying that -- mrs. clinton dismissed donald trump

saying i don't think about responding to him anymore turning her attention to the down ballot races that she hopes will go democratic and deliver a congressional margin that might allow her to see some of her riorities becoming lost. clinton officers have expressed anxiety over what might go wrong. and it has less about clinton blowing it than trump shutting p. -- host: just so much the stories. we will read more as the story goes on. why should your can do it become president of the united states f america?

and again, twitter and facebook available you to too. we'll start in annapolis, maryland, this morning. a supporter of hillary clinton. willy, good morning. why do you think she should get the white house? >> she should deserve the white house because she's the best qualified. i also have to go back to her husband when he gave us the best economy. and i also think she will restore something that is very dear to my heart, the health care issue. host: when you say the health care issues, do you want to see her make changes to the affordable care act or are there other avenue necessary area of health? caller: well, i will -- i think president obama did a great job considering what he had to work with. but i think with her going in there, she will extend it because i'm almost sure that we will have a democratically

controlled congress who will probably do what's right in reference to health care issues. host: willy starting us off this morning. let's go to bob closer, wisconsin, a supporter of donald trump. bob, go ahead. you're on. caller: good morning. host: hi. caller: i totally disagree with that gentleman. obama is the worst president we ever had. and that's why i want donald trump. the clintons are millionaires too. i wish people would understand that. they have taken money to something terrible. however, the point is obama has taken america downhill so bad he's dividing us by color, by religion and i want donald trump because take away all the garbage about bigotry and racist -- racist, how many people throughout are bigots or racists and whatever? he can change.

hillary can't. she's proved that. she's made too many mistakes. it's just a time for change. i'm a veteran. i'm ashamed of how our country has gone downhill because of obama. and real quick. obama's white. as white as he is black. and i'm tired of being called a racist because i sat there and i said i disagree with obama. host: ok. why should your candidate be president? that's what we're asking folks this morning. pella, iowa, bob. who in the third party are you supporting? caller: gail castle. host: why him? caller: because i think our nation needs to get back to the founding principle of it, the constitution. and i believe that only one candidate is truly dedicated to

hat end rather than to specific, either self-interest or special interest. ost: will mr. castle be on the ballot there in iowa? caller: yes, he is. yes, he is. host: now when you talk to other people about who you will vote for, what's the reaction since it's a candidate that may not be well-known by most people? caller: very simple. they take a look and they decide for themselves. now i get the unusual argument that comes with any third party candidate, why waste your vote? and my thought is why waste a vote on somebody who isn't going to represent your interest and isn't going to obey their oath

of office as taken? remember, when you -- when you're inaugurated as president, you say i, your name, do solemnly swear that i will faithfully support and defend -- or pardon me, that i will -- i do solemnly swear that i will faithfully execute the laws of the united states and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. and then so help me god is optional. host: gotcha. that's bob in iowa. by the way, if you watched the "washington journal" this week, we are going to devote the shows monday through friday taking a look at battleground states. iowa is one of them. we will focus on that state tomorrow. today, our focus on the state of north carolina. wednesday we'll look at pennsylvania. thursday we'll look at florida. and friday we'll look at the

state of ohio. pennsylvania also coming in the news not obviously because of the presidential race but the senate race as well. today, you can see live at 7:00 tonight the debate, a story taking a look at that on the "wall street journal" this morning. on several senate races taking a look at who's going to control the senate. the trump question is of particular factor in nevada where the republican withdrew his support after a 2005 video showed him bragging about groping women. he ended up enraged -- host: and mr. blunt, senator blunt in missouri both have challengers, deborah ross and eff can der argued --

host: the republican debating mcginti.y -- whey should your candidate become president of the united states of america? baltimore city, maryland, a supporter of donald trump. hi. caller: good morning. host: morning. caller: there are a number of why i support donald trump. the first is illegal immigration. baltimore city is a sanctuary city. i can get into lot of details that i had in my neighborhood

because of that particular issue. but i move on to other issues too. and i agree i used to consider myself a liberal, a progressive, independent. i voted for barack obama. he is the most corrupt inept president we've ever had and a racial -- the racial dogma that he puts out there, i am so sick and tired of it. donald trump this not a racist. i'm going to vote for him and law enforcement. so the people out there know about the riots that are happening in baltimore. i support the rank placed upon. i support law enforcement. i also support the military even though i've never been in the military. and the -- that our military of our has web down. host: jesse is an undecided voter the michigan. jesse, even though you're undecided, have you maybe put a thought on who should be on the

white house yet? caller: yes, i have put a thought into it. problem is clinton but i don't know who i'm going to vote for because i'm afraid i would vote both parties because they all say the same things. me being an african-american, all they want is -- i've been a law of democrats before i started to vote and i just took our votes for granted. as far as donald trump goes, he has ideas about the manufacturing leaving this country and going to other places. i agree with him about that. and i agree about the politics being there forever and have done anything. and ain't nowhere i can vote for him and that's racist. and that gentleman talking about shooting the police. how would he like shooting white

men instead of black men? and i'm sick and tired of all these wars. we got people and soldiers from 35 different countries and -- i'm not voting for wars anymore. i'm sick and tired of these wars and these rain showers we're wasting over there -- resource that we're using over there is a waste. we have people living on the streets and all these powerful sub we got really around seas, one sub restored the whole war. who wants to start a nuclear war if we got people -- if i want to start a war, it would be us. i'm kicking and tire of all these wars. host: gotcha. mary, a third-party supporter. mary, tell us who your candidate is and why that person should be in the white house.

caller: are you talking to me? host: yep. you're on. caller: ok. i'm actually calling you in georgia. -- he will ng for bring back jobs. 7,000 manufacturing companies and the -- he allows on legal immigrates to come over instead of the illegal imgrants. i think that just because he didn't say things polished and professionally should not discredit for him combringing america back. host: that was from georgia. this is mary from michigan. a third-party supporter. hi, mary. go ahead. you're on. caller: thank you. two main reasons i am voting for

trump. he is an outsider. he is our only chance to change congress. he's calling for term limits which is a big issue with us. the second reason is appointments to the supreme court. the supreme court has started legislating instead of following the constitution. and we need constitution back in the supreme court. thank you pedro and thank you, c-span. host: for the next half-hour, we will get your thoughts on why your candidate should become president of the united states. the lines will be on the screen and pick the best one that represents you and we will take those calls and especially hear from you of why you think the candidates should be in the white house. this is from the "washington times" this morning. according to the donald trump campaign, him repeating claims about a totally rigged system that he sees it but it also highlights trump campaign officials have struggled to fend

off a growing narrative who says that the race is all but over. -- host: here's what kelly o'donnell had to say. >> we are behind. she had some advantages like $67 million in ad buy thereby doubling her ad buys. most of temperature are negative . and she has tremendous advantages. she has former president, who happens to be her husband campaigning for her and the current first lady. all more popular than she hopes to be. sour management coming, in we

were behind in some of these swing states and mitt romney lost. and our advantage is donald trump will continue to take the case directly to the people. he doesn't expect to cut through the noise and the silent and the way we're treated by some. so he's going to visit all these swing states and his running mate governor pence. a shot of we have getting thee undecided voter who is say i know who hillary clinton is. i don't want to vote for her. we need to bring them aboard over the next couple of weeks. host: we'll hear next from a donald trump support for the indianapolis, indiana. brent is his name. hi, brent. how are you? caller: good morning, pedro. doing fine, i hope. i got two points i would like to make if i could, please. howt point, i'd like to say much did crooked mafia hillary

pay bernie sanders, greedy bernie sanders to betray all his followers to back her? i'm guessing in the neighborhood of $200 million. secondly, i'd like to say when i get in that voting booth, i'm going to be all alone and i'm going to vote for donald trump because i'm not voting for a choir boy or a sunday school teacher. i'm voting because i want my taxes lowered. i want to rebuild the inner cities. i want to take care of regulations. i want to take care of foreign trade. i want trow build our military and it is in shambles. i want a board. this is not just a pieces of land. this is a country. it needs to be a country. we can't support the world. i wish -- i feel for the plight of all these people that are trying to get in, but the united

states cannot support the world. host: ok. let's hear from demarcus. a supporter of hillary clinton. hi, there. caller: good morning. how are you? >> fine, thank you. you're on. caller: first of all, i want to thank you for c-span radio. i found you guys all of six months ago. it's been a pleasure. host: we appreciate you listening. caller: that's awesome. i am supporting hillary clinton and it is more so in opposition to donald trump, greatly so. what i feel like is most important is people have failed to realize is how the rest of the country actually looks at us the way we have our nominees speaking, saying some of the things that they would say and trying to make -- put certain things into motion or make certain laws or even certain suggestions that will have them look at us cross-eyedly because wonder what our problem is.

one of the biggest things i thought about is in the first debate when donald trump had actually mentioned about south korea and japan should be considering them to be a behemoth and they would have to start compensating us in order to take care of them. hillary clinton and not to say i'm much of a proponent of hers, but we have to take the consideration of the country into fact. but when she came back and said that we will continue to honor our treaty, it was a very significant perspective. it's like did he not think that we have treaties? did he not take into conversation that -- consideration that if we did not abide by the treaties, that we could be punished for that? i know he's not a politician. people use that as an excuse for him. but if he's supposed to be a smart -- he should do a little

bit of homework and he should take into consideration some of the things that he says as some of the is -- the rest of the orld looks at. host: steve in illinois and is undecided. caller: one of the candidate commented on peace. the guy from michigan kind of stole my thunder. you know, hillary clinton and president obama were in libya that started the flow of refugees in europe and almost four million people went in in flux of ope, the people there and we need to find a way to not get into so many battles. we spent.

iraq,or $3-$4 trillion in afghanistan, libya. we're going into cain -- ukraine. all those trillions of dollars could have been used to help our nner cities, raise the job levels for everybody. -- losing our rights and our phones. host: ok. steve? illinois. a supporter of hillary clinton. tell us why she should become president. caller: she's a lot smarter than trump. she's had eight years behind her husband in the white house. she's had how many years as secretary of the state?

in the white house? also after that, she's had all this experience and what does donald trump have in experience in government? he's only had a business that was handed down to him by daddy -- so has no experience. i thought you had to be -- i thought you had to take up law .o be -- to run for president you there? host: yep. that's keith in north dakota. "the washington post" takes a look at fundraising by hillary clinton and her use of what are known as super pac's. you can find this on the front page of the "post" this morning. but it says together with the party in pro-clinton super pac's, the democratic nominee

amassed $1.1 billion on par to what obama, the president had and his allies brought in with his 2012 re-election bid -- host: more of that in the

"washington post" this morning. here is a third-party supporter from fredericksburg, virginia. lawrence, you are next. hi. caller: good morning. thanks for having me on here. host: go ahead. you're on. caller: thank you. i'm voting for joe stein. i was previously undecided until i found that there was another option to be honest. and even though it sounds kind of cliche, one thing that's important to me is taking down isis. what's logical to me is going about it monetary speaking. so if they are funded, how do they get their money? well we can fund them because we need all this oil. not that i'm against oil and all that for the environment necessarily just because i'm voting green doesn't mean that i'm -- but to me, it is just simply logical that we do finally embrace this new wave that the technology is going and along with that, also stop funding these people who are now

giving this money to isis and stop them from being able to fund their own enterprise and then finally, i mean, i agree with the republican side on like being strong and stern, but i do not trust him to do the job. and i agree hillary's viewpoint on how to treat people as people, but i cannot trust her at all. at all. host: do you get pushback from people when they find out you're going to vote for jill stein? caller: to be honest, what i've done is talk about -- i guess both of the main candidates. so trump and hillary with people. it's been recently that i decided with jill stein. i haven't found anybody anyone that is negative about it. another previous caller mentioned the same argument which is why are you going to throw your vote away? is mostly what i'm hearing is everybody is dissatisfied with both of the parties and both of their options. so in my mind, that is throwing

away my vote for me versus looking for another option. and to be honest, what's really going to be important for me is voting down the ballot. so i've now done my research. everybody's hotel into hillary and trump but i'm going to focus on is the down ballot. that's where i think is going to be important. host: gotcha. that's a caller from redericksburg, virginia. you can phone the phone lines or go on twitter like this viewer on twitter who posts simply about why he thinks donald trump should be president. simple he says. to reverse the disaster called the obama administration and replace it with market competition reform is the reason that he gives. the viewer talked about the idea of down ballot races, a concern for those on the campaign trail. robert samuelsson this morning

giving his opinion as far as say you should split the ticket. he gives three reasons. he says the first is to make a statement about the outcome. either party deserves victory. and in the latest polls that he cite, only 40% responded to clinton positively. -- host: the final reason he gives is the most subsequently and the -- consequencial, driven by ticket splitting may produce better government. the opinion of robert samuelsson in "the washington post." the trump campaign manager, robby mook on the sunday show. this was on fox knew sunday

talking about the state of secretary clinton's campaign. here he is from yesterday. >> there was a new revelation this week that hillary clinton was involved in trying to get a $12 million donation to the foundation from the king of morocco. why wasn't that classic pay to play? >> well first of all, it's not news that clinton global initiative had their meeting in morocco. everybody knew that. and it's not news that she didn't go to it. there's nothing new here. and donald trump is trying to secretary secretary clinton on this and as you say, he's down on the polls and he's struggling. >> but there is some news. because we have gotten e-mails that indicates what was going on. this was happening in 2015 just as she was about to announce her campaign for president and the e-mail shows and i'm going to go through some of them you were not happy at all with the idea of this meeting and her going

there at that particular point. january 18 e-mail from uma aberdeen to you. it would break a lot of china to back out now when we had so many opportunities to do it. she, clinton, created this mess and she knows it same day you write h.r.s. is still considering. uma said it was still happeninging and said she was going to cancel at the last minute but sounded a little tentative. you didn't want this huge contribution from the king of morocco just as clinton was announcing for president. >> i didn't want anything on her schedule that was going to distract from her campaign. >> it was a big money from a foreign person to the foundation at the time she was running for president. >> this was as you can see in those e-mails, this was a scheduling matter and we didn't want her going overseas before the campaign was kicking off. but again, this is -- these are

stolen documents, stolen by the russians. it's now confirmed from john podesta put out for this purpose. host: james this kentucky. a supporter of donald trump. why do you think he should be president of the united states of america? caller: ok. thank you for taking my calls, sir. i've been listening from all these people and the one from michigan nailed it. here's the saying. donald trump is going to be -- everybody seems to forget that he's going to have a badge of honor when he takes over and starts learning this country because it's going to be like he's always been successful and he's going to feel like if he doesn't do what's necessary, he's not going to wind up sitting there -- he's going to be unsuccessful. so he's going to have a drive to do what's right for this country. sexazz for these young people wanting to go hillary and hillary fans, all they care

about is having a female. and then for stein and the rest of them, yeah, ok. i understand where they're coming from but we need jobs. wait till these people that are voting for these people when they get out of college, wait till they get the real world and they see how hard it is to make a living and i guarantee you it's going to be too late because she's going to be in there. she's not going to work as hard and he's not going to do what's right for this nation. host: and this russ from washington. caller: good morning. i support hillary. i'm an independent but i came the realization that hillary is the best of the two. in fact that based on her resume and her experience and things like that. and secondly, i looked at some

of the statistics and when created 32 bama million jobs. thought it was reagan, the two bushes and during their administration, they only created according to this statistic i have in front of me, they only created about 16 million jobs. so if you're looking for a job, which party seem to be the best, give you the best chance for jobs? as far as donald trump, as hillary goes, there's a drawback. i think he's a little hawkish. i served in vietnam and i served in korea. i'm very experienced about war but she's doing the best of the two. definitely donald trump, i was

really upset with him when he brought those two ladies from arkansas out and put them in front of mrs. clinton during the speech -- during that -- host: during the second debate? caller: the debate. i was really upset about that because i thought that was totally a crude thing to do. host: ok. that's russ in washington, d.c. this is vern off of twitter who says this morning because secretary clinton knows how to get things done across party line, adding that donald trump has no real backing in congress. let's hear next from mary jane from deersfield, ohio, a support of donald trump. mary jane, hello. caller: hi. i wanted to let you know that i really truly support donald trump and i really think that he's going to put race relations back on track.

he's reaching out to black americans and i really hope that they can make a mandate on him. vote for him. and then hold his feet to the fire. he said a lot of stuff. and he wants to get the tinner cities back in order. there's a lot of things that you can pressure him to do. you've had 30, 50 years of hillary clinton types. hold a new party responsible. i think it's time. when you get in that voting booth, it doesn't make any difference whether you're a democrat or republican or independent. you can vote for donald trump. and there was a man that called in not too long ago and he said something about, you know, he was undecided about this election. and he said well, you know that blacks have been -- when white people experience, you know, the amount of deaths by policemen,

maybe they'll know, understand. well, i googled that, right if white rite when he did that and it turned out if he just googled it yourself. there's more whites killed by policemen than they are blacks. but just on november 8 when you to go in there and vote, you strike zone to be a democrat or republican. you can just vote your conscience. hold this guy's feet to the fire. we're with you on this, you know. i really want to see donald trump in office and see -- prove it to us. host: gotcha. let's hear from rodney from california, a third-party supporter. rodney, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i'm well thanks. go ahead. caller: thank god for c-span. i watch it almost every morning and i'm retired. i'm not only a democrat. just give me one quick second. i'm not going to take long. sometimes get it lost and confused when i'm in a gym, i get lost. i say real fast.

i don't think that donald trump qualifies for president because it just sounds like to me he just thinks on people's anger. we're all angry about something. we have to live wit and accept which candidate wins. they did the b.s. they can and they're going to try to deal with people's anger the best they can but you can't run on talking points and anger and know details. but i've already filled out my ballot. i wrote in bernie sanders' name because i'm normally a democrat but, you know, bernie was beating donald trump by nine points more than hillary clinton as beating donald trump. and i don't think why the democratic party didn't go with bernie sanders because seem like they wouldn't be so close in

florida and ohio and ennsylvania right now. host: gotcha. nathan is an undecided. go ahead. caller: good morning. i'm not voting for trump. with a i'm undecided about is whether to vote democrat and i have voted republican all my life. i'm 57 years old. and i'm listening to the debates. i'm in the scrap metal market. the past two years, the scrap metal has went into the dump because china's dumping all of their raw materials on this country and it's put a lot of people in my industry out of business. and i'm a lifelong republican and who's addressing this problem? it's hillary in the debate, she

brings up the chinese steel. and then i'm thinking well, ok. i'm not going to vote for trump. i'm not going to vote for president but i will vote down ticket, ok? but i'm listening to the debate between my senator, todd young addresses the the democrat.bye, it's one that cannot win. we've guilty a lady running against this. and who do we pick? someone that had a lady problem. got an opponent that is not like -- if we keep picking losers, ilgauskas hillary is going to be in there for eight years. host: ok. let's hear from joe. joe this colorado, lewis, colorado, supporter of hillary clinton. go ahead, joe. caller: yeah, i'm 65 years old of the i was born a mormon and

if you're born a mormon, you're born a republican. and most important about our religion is family value. as a father of five daughters, there is no way that i could vote for donald trump as a sex with. predator in the white house to be a role model for all the sexual predators we have in the world? that would go against god's law. most of the mormon people are looking at the religious upbring on family values and do you really want to put that example in the white house? and you hear everything about these people but really, what i keep hearing from everybody is they want, want, want. we really should be looking at what our needs truly are. and we don't need a swal -- sexual as a role model. and i'm sorry to the rest of the republican party who could put their party before family.

that is the worst thing we could do because if you're doing that, you're putting party before country. host: tom haden is famous for his anti-war activism died yesterday at 76 years old. is is the sacramento bee reporting. he want -- he was denounced as a traitor by his detractors. he won election to the alifornia senate and --

host: one more call on the topic of who should your candidate be or why should your candidate be president? this is raymond, hemp stode, new york, a supporter of hillary clinton. go ahead. caller: my comment is donald trump is really a vulgar man. we're not a vulgar country. and his policies, i don't think would help the people. i'm an african-american. native african-american. i come from a mixed background. my father was a native-american. my mother was black. so, you know, i just don't get him at all. and i don't get his supporters. i don't understand why they don't see what this guy truly is

and stuff. e -- he idlizes putin. e idolizes their policy and if i get into office, hillary's going to jail. that's what we fight against. that's why we have our system that we have. and i just don't think he has the temperament or the intelligence to be our president. and i wouldn't serve under him, actually. host: that's raymond in new york, a supporter of hillary clinton talking about why your candidates should be president. for all of this week, monday through friday, this show is going to take look at battleground states across the united states, highlighting what makes the battleground states and what it means for both donald trump and hillary clinton. our first guest of the morning is going to set things up for us to give us the lay of the land, john dinan from wake forest university. he's a professor out there who

studies politics. he there join us next. later on, we will be joined by dallas woodhouse, the executive director of the north carolina republican party. get you set up for the discussion that's going to take place, we wanted to show you some of the ads that north carolina yans are experiencing in the days before the election. not only do we want to you the ads from the presidential ampaign but the incumbents,. >> they are often the kinds of kids that are called super predatory. no conscience no, everyone thifment some are new to politics completely and they are living in their parents' basement. that is a mindset that is really affecting their policy. >> you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables.

>> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. i want to send a message to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. we are going to lift each other up. i want us to heal our country and bring it together. we have to start getting the economy to work for everyone, not just so the top making the best education system from preschool through college, making it affordable because that's, i think, the best way for us to get the future that our children and our randchildren deserves. my vision of america is an america where everyone has a police station. this is the america that i know and love. if we set those goals and we go together, there's nothing that america can't do. i'm hillary clinton and i

pprove this message. >> brissett is a top advisor -- burr is a top advisor of donald trump. and even after trump bragged about sexually assaulting women -- i can go either way. >> burr said. >> i'm going to support donald trump. >> because he puts politics and himself ahead of us. >> i'm deborah ross and i approve this message. >> my husband was killed in afghanistan defending our country. deborah ross's position upsets me. deborah ross supports burning our american flag and he called her intelligence dangerous. ross supports obama's weak policy against islamic terrorists. i understand sacrifice. we cannot trust deborah ross's dangerous agenda.

>> i'm richard burr and i approve this message. >> "washington journal" continues. host: all this week, our show is going to take a look at battleground states across the united states to talk with experts and people who are watching. the race is not own anthony presidential side and other sides as well. north carolina, our focus today and joining us from winston-salem, north carolina, to set things up for us and start our conversation is john dinan, a professor at wake forest university. professor, thanks for giving us your time and welcome to c-span. guest: good to be here. thank you. host: could you tell us in simple terms why north carolina is a baghdad ground state? guest: well, there's several metrics. one is you could make the state that north carolina this most

competitive state in 2012. barack obama won it in 2008. mitt romney ron it by two percentage points in 2012. you could make a case that no other state was that competitive in both of those elections in the last two times. not surprising in 2016 would be a continuation of that. second thing is you look at where the candidates are devoting-to-air scarcest resource and they've been devoting as much time for visiting north carolina as any other state. the traditional battlegrounds, ohio, florida, it's been right p there. host: secretary clinton was there on sunday. she will be back with michelle obama this week as well in wake forest university. guest: right here. i say, in some ways other states, ohio, florida, pennsylvania, and virginia, they've been getting these

regular visits by the candidates. north carolina got a little bit of that in 2008. a little bit of that in 2012. but 2016, it's become a regular event that you might have a chance to go see one of the candidates, or one of the candidate's family members, one of the vice president, one of the other surrogates for north carolina, that's very continuance. host: data shows us when it comes to the breakdown of the state itself, about 10 million residents and political party, 2.7 registered as democrats and -- talk about that unaffiliated. is that where the focus is? guest: well it is un aaffiliated, no surprise. but it's also on turning out the vote on republicans and democrats who are voter turnout average somewhere in the high

50's, maybe get up to 60%. so you've got a lot of work to be done to motivate your base oters. one of the advantages is you can vote in either republican or democratic parties. sometimes you'll find a lot of people are very strongly democratic or republican. that being said, there's a lot f true host: john dinan joins took us about battleground states. we start with north carolina today. if you want to ask him question about what his state and what it's looking like, we have divided the lines this way. if you're a north carolina resident, give us a call at 202-748-8000. all others, 202-748-8001. and you could post thoughts on twitter as well. we start the show with the map taking a look at the state of

north carolina and highlighting some of the key cities in that map. tell us what areas of the state favors hillary clinton and what areas of the state favor donald trump? guest: sure. we've got some key population of senators in north carolina. that is how you go down to scommoorlt over of the triangle region, chapel hill, raleigh and the triadic region where i am, greensboro and high point, we only can -- asheville, the major population is in the cities the urban centers will be the strongest area for the hillary clinton campaign in north carolina as in other states. donald trump's key support and republican support traditionally is going to be in the rural areas. and the real battleground oftentimes becomes within a suburbanound are the ex-

areas. and that's oftentimes where there's votes to be won and you take the urban areas going to democrats and the rural areas going to republicans. host: are the campaign spending a lot of time in those areas and especially where areas are up for grabs? guest: what's interesting is the clinton campaign is going to charlotte, going to winston-salem, greensboro. and donald trump is going to some of the same areas which you've also seen donald trump go to some rural areas. he went to one town which has a population of under 1,000 people. it's unusual in eastern north carolina. that's a recognition of that's where a lot of the votes are that he's going to have to win to run up the vote totals. republicans always do well in the urban areas. that's been a promise of the trump campaign. host: we here tribe as red or

blue. how would you describe your state right now? guest: i would say it's neither one. it's become increasingly competitive and the most competitive state in non-presidential years when we talk about years in which there might be a senate race up or congressional races, the turnout still gives an advantage to republicans over democrats. but when we're talking about a presidential election year 2008, 2012, 2016, the turnout boost makes north carolina increasingly very competitive. . >> john dinan from wake forest university is joining us and taking your call. we start with lucia from raleigh, north carolina. our line for north carolina residents. good morning. go ahead. caller: hello. my question is the republican party has sent a clear message in north carolina to african-americans and that message is we don't want you to vote. we hope you don't vote.

we're going to make it very difficult for you to vote. we've been through think three lawsuits. they spent like $9 million trying to suppress the vote. and i want to know why does the republican party seem to put the party over the people. thank you. host: professor? guest: it's worth rehearsing that north carolina, the legal challenge in 2013 passed a voter reform law and had a number of components to it. it imposed a voter i.d. requirement for the first time. it reduced the number of days from early voting from 17 days to 10 days and eliminated the same-day registration, the ability during the early voting feared register your vote and vote on the same day. this is an ominous deal. it was challenged in federal court. initially, the judge upheld the law in all respects. and then it went up to the

appellate court and they struck it down. went occupy the u.s. supreme court for an emergency appeal and the supreme court deadlocked 4-4. therefore allowing the appellate court decision to stand the sum total means that there is no voter i.d. requirement in this election. there's the full complement of 17 voting days and there is the opportunity to reblingstrer and vote during the early voting period. those all have various implications. scholars have looked at and what deference did this make? not clear whether voter i.d. requirement had much effect on voter turnout and not clear that the voting period had much of an effect. the one environment that has a lot of effect the scholars have shown is the ability to rej store vote and vote on the same day. that does seem to boost turnout and the key point is that is stored in a way that it would not have been present. host: our next call is our line

for others. peter is up next worry guest. you're on. go ahead. caller: good morning. thanks for having a me on. new jersey is known as the crossroad states in revolution wars. but all of america is a battleground now and that we're fighting fur our survival in intonation. i want to make the comment about a news blackout about hillary and her transferring america's anium stockpile to russia in exchange for $130 million being put in the clinton foufpks the on one i've heard mention that was rudy giuliani in his speech in introducing donald trump in the new hampshire really a rally the same nonsense happened when bill clinton was president and the information started to come out about beijing date where is he transferred the technology for the chinese to target their mitches to the in american

cities and then oh thing was the monica lewinsky on curing his real crime, the bigger crime of treason. host: gotcha, peter. any thoughts, professor? guest: it's not surprising that in the final months, many of the candidates have begin focusing not what they can going to the table positively. there are some of that -- we're in a polarized era in which a lot of people make their decision on what to vote and about with a they perceive to be the negatives of the other candidate. you'll see a number of charges, claims made, criticism brought up about the other candidate. that could be expected to dominate the final few weeks of the campaign because that's what will motivate a number of peep to vote not so much for here's my plan for fixing the school system. that's in keeping with the tradition that we've seen.

host: we've heard a lot a.p. the clinton foundation. do most north carolinans follow that storyline? do they care? guest: well they'll care when it's salient, when it's brought up. donald trump has been bringing up those matters at his rallies. he gets applause at his rallies. it's a matter of whether or not things get salient and prominent treatment outside of trump rallys and outside of trump appeals to the extent that it gets network news broadcast or others. that leads voters to get a signal oh, this is something that i care about. but here, if it's unclear what it has about the trump appeals. host: jessies up next, north carolina. our line for residents. jesse, hello. go ahead. caller: i like to make some comments, please. i've always been a democrat. but now i am not a democrat

because of the fact that this woman has stood up there. she has lied. she wants to have free trade. she wants to open the borders up. how does the people in america, especially the women, how do they realize or what did they say about having jobs? if we give them all to the other people, we're not going to have anything and there's too many people, not just in north carolina that need the help. wish that they would be more educated in the next 15 days and realize what is going on. this woman's doing nothing but using women and the blacks and it's a crime and shame. and it's especially going to be a crime in shame when we got her in office. because you got four years of her.

host: prefer professor, your thoughts. guest: the caller mentioned two issues in particular that really resonated the trump campaign rallys and trump campaign advertisements and that would be the free trade issue and the immigration issue. if you go to a donald trumpump , you would hear about it within the first five to 10 minutes of the campaign. it has had prominence in the trump campaign speeches and attends to resonate at his rallies. the issues another one that trumbull bring up, not quite as prominently as a free trade issue, but so pretty prominently. the criticism there is that we don't have border security, how do we get more control of the border. those issues you here at other trump rallies and other trump speeches, he will he -- see them at as an other states, but particularly in north carolina.

collar wouldt the mention those in note those have been prominent features of the trump campaign here. according to the department of labor, how does in employment in the state of north carolina play out in the economy and jobs? see an interesting dynamic in a north carolina economy. we have a republican governor, pat mccrory, who took office four years ago and he is running for reelection against democratic challenger roy cooper. one of his main arguments for reelection is that he has brought the north hill back where it should be. the carolina comeback. he said the unemployment was among the highest in the nation when he took office four years ago. now it's more towards the national average and more healthy. you can see a different dynamic,

and that's what you would expect an incoming governor searching reelection, how did the economy is. this challenges to the economy. so there you are a little bit more inclined to emphasize some negatives about the economy, some challenges in the economy. so there are some different messages that the north abutters would be getting, depending whether they were hearing a -- whether there would be getting -- host: larry lives in morgantown. you are next. hello. caller: good morning. i have two questions for the professor. i want to know why the closed

college campus voting and no more sunday voting days. the caller is referring to the voter reform act we were discussing if you meant to -- a few minutes ago. one of the changes they've made was a -- that they've tried to make was in the early morning period. it had 17 days in early voting. and it would include sunday in some counties and in others, there would not have it. was where there should have voting precincts and what should be open on election day. that law was put in place. it had affected in 2014 for those elections. but for the current elections, ased on an appellate court, three half and judge panel, the fourth circuit, those changes are not in effect anymore.

the full 17 days of early voting, it is the case that counties have decisions to make. do you have early voting precincts at ted prefix of the county or at 16? those debates have continued. those continue to be a local decision. they've may see sunday early voting. some counties, there may not. it is one of the testaments -- people come from another country in the expect a uniform election run in the united states. in first comment is how its discretion there is at the state level and the other surprise is how much discretion at the local lowell, within counties in the state. how many voting precincts, where there should be a place, though still rest at the local level. you see decisions made in different ways. tot: some issues due flooding, did that affect voting could vote?e who

guest: as a result of hurricane matthew, there were highways closed and parks. it dominated attention for people in the state. we had several debates in the prior week, lastly, -- last week. the first in the candidate said as i start off is all prayers for the people who have been displaced and affected by an lost their lives as an effective hurricane matthew. it did dominated attention. it does have some political effects. everything has plentiful -- has political effects these days. governor macquarie focused on reaction and relief to the hurricane. mccrory focused on

reaction and relief to the hurricane. that's probably the political effect we saw in the past few weeks. host: janet lives in west virginia. thanks for calling. go ahead. caller: ok. that hillary is qualified and trump isn't. the only thing i see she is qualified for his filling her pocketbook. in benghazi, i just can't believe that anybody could vote for her. and she lied that lady, the mother, telling her there was a movie. and so did obama. it was on tv. and open our borders, i just can't understand that. says, a house divided cannot stand. and when you have people in here who have such a radical thing

about -- i don't know if you would color religion or whatever they'd do, the have cut people's heads off over here and i don't policehat of an issue every day. we never heard of that until obama got in and hillary. and she is as phony and you can be. and it started way back in arkansas. i just think people's blinded. host: that's janet in west virginia. professor, go ahead. there's no doubt -- people have said it before and it is worth repeating. we have not had to candidates of the two major parties with such historically high and favorability ratings. that's true of hillary clinton. that is true of donald trump. littlendidates have a higher. we can can clear clinton and trump. othermpared to candidates, that is the situation we are in. the question is what effect does that have on people's turn up to vote?

there's probably the case it's of people who do not turn out so vote. they're just turned off saying i can't really vote for either of those candidates and third party candidates always have a tough time of it. there is one third-party candidate in north carolina. libertarian gary johnson is on there. joel stein is not on the ballot. you can write her in, but she is not all about. does that push people towards third-party candidates? does it push them toward the libertarian? we will see. that is what we will be watching for. historically, third-party candidates might gain a few points a couple weeks out, but generally that fades. host: can you tell us abou the

religious makeup of the state and how that plays out? host: historically, it has been predominantly protestant. other religions have been moving into the state as the has been a significant info migration of people into the state. that being said, if you look at the evangelical population, it is still quite high, as you would expect in other southern states and other similarly situated states. there's no doubt that the religious domination -- denomination plays a role. we used to have a traditional understanding. we understood that protestants would give their support to republican presidents. catholics a long time ago would give their votes to democrat candidates. the frequency and the commitment to religious worship, if you could ask one question these

days -- you probably have several questions, but one of the leading questions if you wanted to predict whether they'd like to vote republican or democrat for president, you ask times a week or how many times a month you -- you attach -- you attend religious services. -- we don't ask anymore whether you are catholic or protestant or jewish. we asked about your commitment. caller: i'm 68 years old. up medicare.t it paid up for my heart surgery. it is taken out of my social security check. the democratic party set that up for us. now it's taking care of us.

they look at the great depression. if we have donald trump in there, you have to protect what you have. host: ok, thanks. has rarelycaller focused attention on one of the that isortant programs government run. social security, medicare. we have talked about medicaid, the state shared responsibility of health -- health care for the low-income people. what is striking to me and two other political analysts is how low amount of attention those types of issues have gotten in the debates, in the campaign as a whole. you saw in the third theidential debate, moderator tried to press the candidates on these very issues. the candidates did not want to spend as much time talking on his issues. yet those are crucially important. social security program is now

beginning to enter a situation which will evenly face and challenges economically. is taking an increasing percentage of the budget. among the many things disappointing about this presidential campaign -- and there have been many -- for me, that would rank right up there rank rightailure -- up there. the failure or opaque attention to her focus on how do we keep these programs healthy going forward? you would not see a lot of attention given to that end a trump campaign or a clinton campaign in north carolina. perhaps those issues deserve more attention than others. caller: summon a and want to talk to about -- so many things i want to talk to you about.

people who are so in favor of donald trump. where do you think -- where do the think there will have the .oney for social security donald trump pays no taxes. forle thinking of voting someone who does nothing to support our government, i don't know where their minds are heard this racial thing -- mines are. that's itl thing makes no sense. it makes no sense to give up right as an american citizen to follow someone who says it he will do what he wants to do. he looks like a dictator. he talks like a dictator. he asked like a dictator. the caller has focused among other things our attention on the tax plans of the two candidates. i would say that the tax plans

have gotten somewhat more attention than the plans for social security and medicare. but here is well, think we put a -- put more attention there. voters and analysts are wishing there was more attention and drilling down. their tax reforms would have what features? from a few give voters a soundbite, how would you characterize the trunk tense plan -- the trump tax plan versus the clinton tax plan, it hasn't been a salient or comment. there's one issue on the table for the last two to four years and will certainly be on the table the next two to four years, there is a window of

opportunity for reforming the tax code. because have a plan. the republicans have a plan. it will make a significant difference and it very much will be that not much gets their washington, but there is the possibility of movement on tax reform. the more important to hear from the candidates how will you use a policy window and how we change the taxes some? host: our focus is on battleground states as week. john dinan joining us. carol lives in glenville, north carolina. go ahead. caller: thanks for having me on. callerng to address the about voter id to suppress votes. . it protects legal voters. voter idhe have that requirement in many states.

i voted for a long time in the state of georgia where we had voter id, and it seemed to be just fine. the say these people that are there ishis say that not a way for everyone to have an id. europe think -- i cafe who it is that doesn't have an id these days. passed by the legislature made it easy to get id, to see the people signed on for a voter id. host: thanks, carol. doubt that theno voter id issue has been a very contentious one in north carolina. ever since the legislature passed it in 2013, which would a photo idd

requirement, it has been a matter of political debate, a matter of legal finding. as the colorid, mentions, north carolina now does not have a voter id or any voter id requirement to vote. respect, north carolina is now out of line with the majority of states, which now do have an id requirement of some kind. those id requirements vary. non-photo it can be id. sometimes it can be a photo id. but it is the case that north carolina is out of touch with its neighbors, its neighboring states, each that would require a voter id of some kind. but that has now been resolved by the court of appeals for this election. there will not be a voter id in north china. host: we have a viewer on twitter who asked this question are makes the statement.

can you put that in conctext. guest: the city of charlotte withd an ordinance protections for transgender rights along with other provisions, including the use of the bathroom with their gender identity. this the legislature held a one-day session and passed a law overturning the charlotte ordinance and the going even further than that and said individuals in public facilities in north carolina will not be required to go to bathrooms -- would now be required to go to bathrooms that corresponded with their gender, not their gender identity. it has been the matter of legal filings. court.w tied up in

people haveome made decissions. the ncaa decided to withdraw various championship events from the state. it's the last development, the glencoe's conference in the end really kickto things into a gear in which people in surveys recently say do you approve of this hb two law or do you disapprove? disapproval is clearly outpacing approval. no surprise that democratic candidates in the state have canein their appeals and a -- and campaign as saying that hb 2 was a mistake. oppose governor

mccrory and many state legislators who supported hb 2. what's that you clear is whether or not that will have a political effect on the how will it fair on governor mccrory's reelection bid. republicans have a super rightny in the state ow. host: alabama, good morning. caller: i have two questions. allowed to vote in the election in north carolina? number two, this tpp, the current trade deal waiting in the wings, it's my understanding that there will be able to move workers from all these areas in

the trade agreement freely into the united states. would that cost a lot of americans are jobs? guest: in regard to voting, there is an expectation that you will be a citizen when you are voting and will be expected to carolina,h in north as in other states. on tpp, the trade issue, that is no surprise that has been a trumpnt feature at campaign rallies in north carolina. don't make mistakes in the future in regards to tpp. no surprise that trump has played on that. the trade issue is a classic issue where there are diffuse and if it's. economists will say, as a whole, the country will in effect from making these trade deals.

arm and pain.ed that it willow help the country as a whole, but particular workers will be affected by it as a lose their jobs. donald trump has been focusing on that concentrated pain and harm. case. has been making the others have been making the case, overall, you benefit from trade deals. that is a tough argument to make in campaign where people are much more likely to field a are negatively affected by this and it's tough for me to say -- to see this benefit you are touting for the country. host: we will hear next from marlene in north carolina. caller: good morning. i find that the coverage of the press, you know, our forefathers believed, in order for us to remain a free country, we had to have a free press. unfortunately, there don't

really inform the people. take nafta, which you just mentioned about trade. nafta is -- people think it is just trade. calls for istually free movement of goods, services and people. leg.ever heard the third i've moved to north carolina recently from new jersey. new jersey is absolutely overrun. my family was here since the 1600s. years, newin 25 jersey go from an american state to an international state. so when you talk about these trade deals, how good is it for america when we have a $20 billion trade deficit just with mexico? the issues that the color

brings up have been very prominent in trump campaign rallies, trump campaign ads. it is a whole set of issues. it's issues about immigration and a changing population. it's issues about trade deals. these issues have not completely been foreign to the republican party politics. pat buchanan raised these issues nomination battles, continues to raise them in national party politics and trying to push those into the republican issues. but donald trump has raised those issues to a greater degree than most previous republican residential candidates have and has a different position on them that previous republican presidential candidates. what is the staying power of these trump appeals, particularly on the trade issue? suppose trump loses, suppose trump plans. regardless of what happens, does trump change the republican party in a way that makes it free trade, the standard free

trade position in the republican party a more difficult one for republican candidates to embrace? or does this not have staying power. that is a question we will be focusing on. we don't yet have an answer. we will know in years to come. -- : professor done in aboutsor dinan, talk governor pat mccrory and congressman burr. isst: most of the attention on presidential races. but north carolina is one of two, may be three states that has very competitive races. not only at the presidents level, not only at the governor's level, but also at the u.s. senate level. all three of those states -- all three of those races are highly competitive in north carolina.

you might bee that able to say that about, probably new hampshire, perhaps to some degree missouri. there really it is north carolina. the senate race puts two-term incumbent senator burr facing democratic challenger deborah ross. that has not had the same degree of prominence in the state up ago. a few weeks it wasn't clear whether that race would be competitive. people should probably be surprised because north carolina competitive. more money has poured in from out of state as groups have been saying let's see if we can drive these numbers of for rosser buber -- for ross or for your have republican pat mccrory facing attorney generalr.

challenger roy cooper, the for rosser for burr. you have republican pat mccrory facing attorney general challenger roy cooper, the democrat. north carolinians are comfortable's putting their ticket and it is not improbable that could happen again. those are the three races we are focusing on a north carolina. very competitive presidential race. a very competitive senate race. and a very competitive governor's race. caller: good morning. thank you for having the show this morning. i just want to ask the professor about the down ballot races. shownk the latest polls secretary clinton holds a slight lead over donald trump.

and roy cooper holds just a slightly it over governor mccrory. was just wanting to see if you thought that, if secretary clinton wins by a bigger margin than what is showing now, if , hertraction comes to her race in the state, will that add to deborahore votes ross and roy cooper and other down ballot democrats in the state here in north carolina? host: thanks. guest: there's no doubt that one of the central rules in these campaigns in it presidential candidatesar is that are better of pulling his or her

voters for down ballot candidates. north carolina does have a history, as i was mentioning a minute ago, of up to give voting. north carolina voters have been comfortable in recent decades in casting a vote for one party and a different one for the other. tore are people who come out vote for the presidential race first and foremost and a stay around and vote in line with that for senator and get there. that being said, north carolina, as much as any other state in recent decades, has a history of split to get voting. both of this can be true. both of those are probably in play this year. host: what does early voting tell us about what potentially might happen in north carolina? are naturally -- early voting started in north carolina this week. it started on thursday. it continues on until the saturday right before the

election. people are naturally scaring those numbers. may see what is the racial breakdown and the age breakdown and the party breakdown for people who have shown up in the first three days of early voting. i'm always has is then ted draw i'm always hesitant to draw too much out of this. here's what you can say with confidence. early voting is about on par with, perhaps ever so slightly numbers.08, 2012 is close enough to say that it is on a par. different counties, different parts of the state, the will have different hours for early voting-- for early hours and early voting days. the one thing i would say is that we seem to be in keeping big dropsg boost, no

from where we have been. so neither party would really take much from what the ac from the early voting numbers in north carolina. dinan starting things off as we take a look at the battleground states. thanks for your time. guest: good to be here. thank you. host: we will continue on with our discussion, specifically looking at wrote -- at what republicans are doing in their state. our guest will be dallas woodhouse. he joins us that discussion. willin the program, we talk with gary pearce, a longtime democratic strategist and a kid visor to the state's former governor, jim hunt. he will join us later. you heard our guest talk about north carolina's bathroom lock, hb 2. it has filtered down to the race. a recent debate featuring the incumbent senator, richard burr,

against his challenge would never ross, took up the subject of hb 2. you can find the whole debate on c-span. but here is a portion specifically taking a look at the bathroom law. >> think the charlotte city council tried to fix -- find a solution to a problem that didn't exist. and the north carolina general somebody did just what a state legislator can do. they've passed a law. and the reversed it. i can't change that in washington. the president tried by dictate. to expand this to the country under title 9. and the courts looked at that and said you can't look at -- you can do that because this is an education tile for equity in women's sports. it didn't fit. thist's my hope, after election, clearly we will not get it done during the election, but the general assembly will reverse themselves and maybe the charlotte city council will reverse of jobs and go back and rethink whether this is a good

policy. but here's what i would suggest. include the people in charlotte in this decision. let it be a ballot initiative if in fact the local leaders want to do it. i've been opposed hb 2 since the beginning because it discriminates. it is a federal issue. it has hurt our economy and our good name. senator byrd initially said it didn't discriminate, was in a federal issue, and it wouldn't hurt our economy. wrong, wrong, wrong. i have been all over the state of north carolina. the economic devastation of house bill 2 has been extraordinary. wilmington has lost the phone industry. high point is losing many vendors at the furniture markets. they're going to las vegas. i even went to lexington for an event and heard that has build 2 had to be repealed from a member of the chamber of commerce are bill 2, the house had a new industrial park. people were coming and calling

every week. after haskell 2, completely gone. "washington journal" continues. host: a weeklong look at battleground states this week. today, we take a look at north carolina and focusing specifically on that state, we are joined by dallas woodhouse, the executive director of the north carolina republican party. mr. woodhouse, thanks for joining us. guest: great to be with you. host: if you take a look at the averages on the real clear for the state of north carolina when it comes to the presidential race, it shows hillary clinton up by 2.5 points or so. how do you feel about those numbers so close to election day? guest: i think republicans are closing strong in all their races. it is ironic. . we've been in full campaign mode for over a year and we are

almost exactly where we started in the beginning with three 'sjor races for north carolina presidential electors, the u.s. senate race in the governor's race, all within a margin of error with the polls. if turnout is going to be the issue, what is the republican party and the state doing to ensure it -- to ensure party turnout? guest: we have an incredible ground operation we have built with our partners in the republican national committee. we not done over a million doors in north carolina. we've got people in every part of north carolina. we've got people scouring all 100 counties, getting republicans out to the polls, s to seeunaffiliated things our way, talking to voters on the telephone. that will continue right up to the close of the polls on election day.

host: mr. woodhouse, how does that campaign or at least that effort compared to the donald trump effort, his campaign and his on the ground campaign there? guest: it's interesting. i can't speak to what everybody else has said in their state, but we have a great working relationship with the trump campaign. there have been in my office more times than not. the a now have their own office space near us, but we shared office space for a long time. we worked very closely on getting the vote out. that is the biggest a-list a party does. we are totally -- that is the biggest thing the state party does. we are totally in sync. and they're helping us with our candidates down the ballot. has taken arty bigger role on the ground operations then perhaps it does at other times. it seems to be working really well. we are comfortable with where we are. host: specifically what areas of the state are you focusing on?

not only with the donald trump, but the other candidates at play as well, senator burr and governor macquarrie? mccrory?nor guest: what you like to know. [laughter] host: i would. guest: we scour every four corners of the state, the rural areas, the urban areas on the suburban areas. republicans have done very well in the rural areas. democrats a little better the center city. and we duked it out for the suburbs. i think that is no different now. m you sawc the stake go just barely 10 mitt romney back in 2012. d.c. that kind of emphasis or enthusiasm for donald trump? kinds he has brought all of new activists and volunteers into our party.

he has given our party a lot of energy. that is a positive thing for our party. so it is good to see a lot of new faces. these races are very close. you're doing everything you can to squeeze out every single voter you can. one thing that i feel really good about -- we have done tremendous work with our partners. democrats have dropped significantly on registration election.a's we have come up converter registration about 150,000 voters since 2008 erin it is a significant number. it makes a big difference in a close election. host: our previous guess was talking about the impact of the voter id law. what did you make of the decision and what ultimately the

legal system decided about the law? guest: the decision that came out of theguest: fourth circuit, what it has done is told north carolina citizens that they'd don't have the same rights as citizens in indiana and georgia to have voter id. citizens have not been treated fairly in this regard. we ought to be treated the same as any other state and be able to have a fair, const to show voter id system. the judges, some of the decisions, as the sum the commentary coming out -- not guest: i think that is -- coming out -- guest: that's exactly right. i think that was a lyrical that -- amore political decision more than a legal decision. it is a really fascinating thing. the judges found that the

political actors acted with discriminatory intent, but not a discriminatory result. that is almost unheard of. if people intend to discriminate, the in fact to do it. but the could find no examples where people were discriminated as a result. african-american voting is up. our african american registration is up. what they're saying is that we believe you acted within 10. it is flawed legal strategy. and it is virtually unprecedented. we will eventually get reversed. or, if we don't come other states will have to lose their voter id provisions. because north carolina cannot continue to be treated as a redheaded stepchild of voting law and not allowed to have the same constitutional protections

at their ballot that many other states already have. host: dallas woodhouse with us. north carolina residents come if you would like to ask some questions -- steve is our first call. he is from hickory, not throwing up. -- he ishank you for from hickory, north carolina. caller: thank you. this goes to the what the previous caller said. ,he north carolina legislature ruled by the judge, used the data as it pertained to african-americans in north carolina, used in such a way that the actually precisely went

at the voters in the sense that the word -- they were disenfranchised. most african and -- most african americans would be open to the republican party. some of the policies that a nobleman, same thing with hb 2 -- i am not for it or against it -- but one has to actually look at how it impacts the residents of north carolina. by getting back to the ruling on the voting here in north ourtlina, the appeals c determined that the data actually targeted african-americans and disenfranchised them and that is why the ruling was as such. host: ok. the court performed all kinds of legal jujitsu in the

made.on it the one thing that has been so frustrating is the legislature are and received hundreds and thousands of pieces of information on all kinds of things. you can arguably say that there have to look at how certain voting things a certain groups to be in compliance with the voting rights act. what they'd don't tell you is north carolina, what it added in his voter id provision put in a safe harbor for people who have hardship. in other words, if you could not get an id, could not afford one, even we give it to you for free, couldn't find a birth certificate left your wallet home, all you had to do was sign something that said it's the case and you can go. hardshipna put in a provision. it's really ironic. what is frustrating is that courts have not allowed north carolina's voter id to go through. at the same time, the justice

department cut a deal with the state of texas to let an identical law go through for this election cycle. north carolina continues to have among the most liberalized voting laws in all the country. 17 days of early voting. you cannot function in this society without some sort of id. and if you don't have one, we have a responsibility as good citizens to help you get one. that's why we're willing to do it. help you get the documents for free. help you get the id for free. our party will take you to get one. we have a program to help people with that kind of thing. but this was a political decision by a political court. host: whiteville north carolina. good morning. caller: yes, good morning, sir. i would like to say that i will be voting in just a few minutes from now for miss hillary clinton because she is the lesser of two evils. and what donald trump has said -- i have three daughters -- and what he said about women showed

me what type of man he is. and the republicans gerrymandering of districts in north carolina and governor pat crushed the -- industry no caps on up. carolinaought to north the texas-style government, the way texas runs their state. from my understanding -- guest: how did the governor do anything to the film industry? caller: he crested down in walton, north carolina. guest: he stopped giving the moneyguest:? caller: he took the -- guest: should the film ministry make it on its own or should we subsidize? mr.: let himself -- woodhouse, let him finish his thought and and you can respond. the loss of the all-star in the ncaa games and broke -- the straw that broke the camels back come other week before last, and african-american man atplained about hog waste

the lagoon broke. host: a lot out there. we will in our guest respond. just a lot of factual inaccuracies there. i'm glad the voter will be will beng -- participating in our electoral process. north carolina's economy is now booming under governor mccrory. we had one of the biggest unemployment numbers, on employment rates in all the southeast of the country. we had the highest taxes in the southeast. the governor has turned that around. we now have a much lower, flatter state income tax. the fastestave growing economy in all of america, measured by gross thomistic product -- gross domestic product. i think that is why governor mccrory will be returned to the governor's mansion in a couple of weeks. host: lee, you are up next. i have a comment and a

question. first of all, everyone voting for jill stein; a day after the election, you will be outran to get signatures on the about so we can have legitimate third parties. my question, i understand there are several states that receive more in tax subsidies than that contribute to the federal taxes. i wondered if north carolina is one of those. and is that a comment on the efficiency of the governmental philosophy in that state? correct,do believe is but i will say, in north carolina, i will say that north carolina's governor and our legislature have a real regard for all tax dollars. and the realize that federal taxpayers are also state taxpayers in the trade to make sure that tax money is not wasted, no matter whose scoffer it is at the time. the caller mentioned miss stein

who it -- ms. stein who is running on the green party ticket. she had a bout of pneumonia. i hope she is at her. i've had it, too. i don't know how a presidential candidate can manage with it. i had a hard time with it. i hope ms. stein goes better. north carolina come even call us. from charlotte, this is david. i'd like to say several things. i've been working the polls. number one, there are not enough machines. it's heavily overcrowded. people have been standing in line the days i have been there for at least two to two and a half hours to get to vote. that is a suppression if you ask me. i have a concern of many of the election officials. i called the board of directors, etc. everyone plays the reason to have destined not having all the pull stations of -- we'll have 10 open and the are all spread out. the reason for not having the rest of them open is just

because the cutbacks that mccrory has instituted. number two, listened to your show all morning and i've been listening to these ladies particularly the christians and say they're going to vote for truck. i don't know how that happens. i like to say a quick thing about mccrory. i have a daughter who teaches in the public schools. she is an eight-year teacher. when mccrory says that he gave a raise to the teachers, yes, he gave raises to the first and second year teachers because we have lost so many and no one was to come here -- guest: what does that do for your daughter when she's governor? didn't she gave raises over four years? mccrory has been better about that, right? caller: if i make him a mccrory

is the one who claims he gave all these resisted teacher. host: we will let the guest respond. guest: i wanted to point out that it is a fact that governor teachers given more in raises than any other governor in all 50 states during his three and a half years in office. that's just a fact. the caller does bring up an interesting thing about early voting. north carolina has 17 days of early voting. i think it is available. -- debatable whether that's a little too long are not. the what we have done is we made it ready think the will have to wait in line on election day where we have hundreds and hundreds of precinct open. and we funnel them to the early voting site, especially in the first weekend in the last week in of early voting so the lines are very long. if you want to go during the week this week, the lines will be very long. if you want to vote by mail, which anybody has the right to do in north carolina, you don't have to wait in line at all. i think north carolina will have

to decide whether it is going to continue to have a traditional election day or not, because the state cannot afford to keep every voting site open for a month. it is extremely expensive and inefficient. veryready have -- we have liberalized early voting laws. we support early voting. but you're never going to have -- the caller was referring to a mecklenburg county, where there is 10 or a dozen early voting sites. there are hundreds of precinct on election day. there's just no way all of those will be open for 17 days. no state could afford that. no state is a for that. host: let's hear from hollywood, florida. hank is up next. caller: yes, hello. can you hear me? host: go ahead. caller: i want to talk about something different. what is the view of republicans and democrats on sharia law, the muslim law, with all the muslims

coming into this country. they'd prefer to be under sharia law, which is totally against women and homosexuals. would you allow in north carolina or anywhere in the united states the practice of sharia law to get a foothold in america? and no one has answered that question yet. guest: i believe our legislature specifically banned that practice. certainly people who come to the state of north carolina, no matter what their religion is, no matter what their gender is, no amend or -- no matter anything else, they're expected to follow the laws of the good people of north carolina without regard to anything else. is a very law and order state. we have a large military population here, a lot of retired military. we are a state that expects people to behave and behave accordin to the rule of law. host: talk a little bit about the impact of the passive beds -- the passage of hb 2 on this

electoral cycle. do you think it's going to affect people and how the vote? a lot of things affect a lot of people and have a vote. that piece of legislation has stirred up a lot of passions on both sides. i believe in north carolina the democrats didn't have much of an issue because the governor had the economy going, getting people back to work, dropping unemployment, offerings will chose -- offering school choice that there wanted to create a divisive issue and they'd managed to do it. host: we will hear from tim kaine and what he had to say about it aired we will get your response to it. here is tim kaine. [video clip] >> when the city of charlotte passed an ordinance to protect against discrimination, state leaders wanted to crack down on the ability of cities to do that.

even though the city was doing what their voters elected them to do. now a to b 2 has become a national cause that has rocked the wrong kind of attention to north carolina. because you are not a place where bigotry is ok. north carolina values are progressive values. and i know that that is a huge issue that drives a lot of us. host: mr. woodhouse, your thoughts on that. guest: tim kaine ought to go clean up his own backyard. slapping sillyis virginia when it comes to job creation, lower taxes, getting the economy moving. he can come here and play partisan politics. here is a message republicans are going to send. we are not going to put young girls into the same bathroom facilities and shower facilities as grown men. we weren't going to do it. not going to do it. not going to do it. not going to do it. if tim kaine wants to do that in

the state of virginia, by all means, he can go back up to the commonwealth under that. but we're not going to do that here. we are going to do the things that are required a necessary to protect people's rights, safety and security. host: would you say there has been an impact upon businesses? we heard about the ncaa and other businesses pulling out. what you think are the long-term effects of that? guest: the long-term effects is the u.s. of premature will have to figure this out. theuld just say this -- u.s. supreme court will have to figure this out. but i would say this. if you have a business and you have to have single gender restrooms, the same kind that we had since plumbing was invented, if you decided to keep that in your business, the city of charlotte could put you in jail. that is inappropriate. that is the kind of government overreach that republicans are not point to stand for. we should leave from the sector

decisions about their bathrooms to the private sector. has signed some executive orders making special accommodations for people in need them in government restrooms. i just do not believe that the forle in north carolina are grown men going into the showers of 11-year-old girls. facilitating that in any way, even if by accident, to the charlotte ordinance. so we are not going to do that in north carolina. host: our guest is dallas woodhouse. good morning, mr. woodhouse. guest: good morning. caller: i want to let everybody know that i am not biased. intory clinton can look the mirror and the reflection will be jeb bush. the architectas of nafta. hillary's husband signed into

law. our textile factories and furniture factories in north today, two candidates. one says he was he wants to bring jobs back to this country. the other candidate, hillary, says those jobs are gone and never to come back. and we as consumers have to be complacent. every product has a sticker on it that says made in china. bernie fans out there, he's so that the machine. host: thanks. we will let our guest respond. guest: there is certainly a lot of conversation about jobs in north carolina. and republicans have done a good job at bringing some back. i think we do have to rebalance our trade deals some, as mr.

trump has talked about. host: from greensboro, julius is up next. caller: good morning. times, i heard you say one that you just wanted to have one , asing place in charlotte big as charlotte is, you just wanted one polling place open. you -- patat macquarrie is a bath -- pat mccrory is a basket full of deplorables. guest: i would not say that about you. come on. caller: you said you want one polling place open. guest: i do believe i said that i wanted. i believe i said that is what the law required. there's a difference between say what i wanted and what the law required. but here is the bottom line on early voting.

north carolina, under republican boards of election, has provided more early voting hours and opportunities across the state. the republicans are in charge and the have passed more early voting hours in the democrats ever did. period. host: talk a little bit about the senatorial races. i want to get this in there before with the ego. richard burr -- before we let you go. richard burr, will cut of challenges does he face? guest: the biggest challenge he faces is all kinds of liberal special-interest money pouring into the state. but this was always meant to be a close race. i think he will pull it out by two or three points. in north carolina politics these days is a landslide. records has a very long in the legislature and through her time as attorney for the american civil liberties union, which reflects some values and

interest i do not think match very well with the people of north carolina, including being very soft on crime, not for being against the original creation of the child sex offender registry. certainly state that has a moderate street to it, they will find that miss ross is too liberal for the state of north carolina. host: what you expected turnout to be this year compared to previous cycles? guest: we expect turn out to be really healthy and really good. it may not quite match 2008, but 2012,l probably be into that range, somewhere in there. it will be a good, strong turnout. host: how much did you --

host: how much did you get in 2012? guest: i would have to look back at it. i think we were in the 70's. we are certainly going to have a lot -- we had 75% people voting in wake county, where i am at. i think we will rival that. we will have a good, strong turnout. the thing is, most of the presidential years, people turnout. it's your off year elections where there are wilder slip -- swings in who votes into doesn't. host: david, ohio, on the line for others. guest: good morning, fellows. is athe public what welfare state. after president lincoln won the war, all the slave states became welfare states. dimessippi used to send a to washington and got back a dollar. how much does north carolina send?

my next question to you -- black people are the only people in america that don't have a real birth certificate because their fromage was taken away them, all right? i'm listening to your answer. please tell the people what a welfare state is. north carolina is a welfare state. how much -- i don't don't know -- know where the caller is going there. in north carolina, if you want to get voter id -- and we think it is the compassionate thing to so to help people get an id that they can function in society. so that they can buy sudafed, go to the doctor and do other will help you find a birth certificate or get the necessary documents free of charge. i assure you, north carolinians pay plenty of federal taxes. more so than they should. marie is up next. harrisburg, pennsylvania. hello.

good morning. thank you for taking my call -- caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i am for donald trump because hillary trump clinton, none of them can tell us the truth. everybody knows it. democrats either don't recognize it or they just overlook it, deny it, and let her get high with the things that she has done that are so corrupt. corrupted the fbi. she has corrupted the attorney general's office. there is no law anymore. there isn't any. because they don't believe in it . it's all -- everything is for hillary clinton. and she is just going to take is down the rest of the way. one thing that really scares me is that she wants open borders. this morning on another station that one family had taken in what they thought was a 15-year-old refugee.

found out he was a jihadist and threatened to kill the family. that's how they found out. where is all that vetting that hillary says we're going to do? it scares me to death. i heard her say in the speech that she was going to raise taxes on the middle class. people sat there and clapped for her. i just hope that north carolina has the good sense to come through like they usually do. host: got you, color. on thewe are counting good sense to come through. the but we respect the people who like ms. clinton and the other folks. we like to have a respectable dialogue. i do think that one of the big issues in the campaign and the complete just collapse of law and order. people coming across borders with impunity. people not telling the truth to

the fbi, setting up servers outside of their homes. people cleaning them while under subpoena. all sorts of other things that most of us know would be answering to the fbi if we did personally. i do think that one of the driving factors in this election , one of the things that has is thisifted mr. trump sort of sense that the system does not treat people the same who are wrapped up in the political culture, wrapped up in the tax culture, that sort of thing. , the frontoodhouse page of "the charlotte observer" shows secretary clinton speaking at unc. what is the strategy for the republican party in the state, reaching out to students not only for donald trump but in the down ballot races? guest: well, we have a very

active campus outreach program, people who work on staff and the republican leadership initiative , going out and training young folks. college campuses have traditionally been pretty right for democrats. that's not going to change. democrats. that's like going to change. we just want to make sure that they grow up to be republicans, that is what has traditionally happened. we expect, you know, all of these races to be settled by just a few thousand votes and every vote counts. host: because of those colleges and research areas in the state, who do they benefit primarily? the republicans will capture about 70 of north carolina's 100 counties.

democrats will probably win 30. heavilyocused on the urban areas of wake county, mecklenburg county, guilford county. some of our far northeastern counties that are friendly to democrats. we just have to see how the rural versus urban vote balances out. how many ticket splitters we have. certainly there will be people that vote for miss clinton who also vote for miss mccrory -- mr. mccrory for governor. people that vote for mr. trump and mr. burr. we will have to see how the strategic voting works out. off, north carolina. steve, good morning. caller: i just wanted to make a couple of comments and ask a question. number one, if you really want

to know what teachers make in , look up thea north carolina's teacher salary schedule. , i never once saw a kid take a shower in middle school. not once did i ever see a kid take a shower. the question is, north carolina -- guest: smelly kid. is a north carolina university id considered a valid form of identification? thank you for that question. first of all, it's a moot point, because there is no voter id for this election. student ids were very did notous because they prove residency. remember, you have to be a resident to vote where you are. there was absolutely no consistent standard from college to college, whether it be private university or public university.

so, student ids were not any -- not in original the original legislation. we will see if that changes in future years. of course, there are multiple ways that college students were able to get a hold of a valid id for voting. next up is herald, from east bend, north carolina. good morning. good morning. i wanted to ask the gentleman if he thinks there is a slim possibility that in america's history there has ever been a presidential race where both candidates were disliked to such a degree. i would like a follow up after his answer. well, since we are in north carolina, i will bring up the presidential election of 1824. felt like that election was stolen from him by the speaker of the house, henry

clay. they fought that out for four years until jackson came back and won four years later. i don't think anybody was very popular after that election. that is one that comes to mind. host: harold, your follow up? caller: what does he think about the federal civil lawsuit filed in civil court against the sheriff's department for engaging in state-sponsored terrorism? guest: i have no knowledge about that. not familiar with it. can donald trump win the presidency without north carolina? i don't know, but that's i going to happen. donald trump is going to win north carolina. it will be close, we will win. we will return patrick rory and a great member, chairman richard burr back to the u.s. senate. north carolina is going to stay read. maybe not by a lot, but by

enough. host: columbus, georgia, on the line for others. hello. mrs. miller? go ahead, you are on. caller: ok. host: you are on, go ahead, please. caller: good morning, c-span. mr. woodhouse, i have a question. we hear a lot about immigration. my question to you is -- do you have any idea how many illegal immigrants are in the state of north carolina that did not come across the border from mexico? i will be waiting for your answer. guest: i don't. i don't. i think immigration is a complicated issue that we have seen roiling not only our state and our country, but the world. one of the reasons that britain left the eu is because they could not control their own borders.

got to have people on goodwill from all sides coming together to try to solve this immigration question. we have illegal immigrants in north carolina, just like any other state. a lot of people are offering great value to our society who are undocumented. is just a very complicated issue. there is no one political side that is ever going to fix this issue. it is going to take everybody coming together and probably taking a little bit by a little bit and solving some along the way to try to develop some consensus. for oure more call guest. this comes from craig, in wilmington, north carolina. good morning, how are you? caller: all right. my question is -- why does the republican administration in north carolina get rid of a

?cholarship they had an assault on public education. they no longer offer the teaching fellow scholarship. guest: our governor in north carolina has offered the largest teaching pay raises of any governor in america. we have done a lot of things to try to get our education compensation system up. we have offered liability protection that the democrats offer. there have also been hard choices that have had to be made. when the democratic governor left republicans with a $3 billion budget debts of it -- a lot of difficulty had to be figured out and republicans have done a pretty good job paying the debt back without raising taxes. host: a couple of our viewers on this out -- pointed this is from the appearance you made with your brother back in

december a couple of years ago. they asked if this is one of the brothers made famous through airtime last election, they wanted to see how family relations were going. guest: i think it would be better for everybody when this election is over. host: dallas woodhouse, he is with the north carolina and -- north carolina republican party, executive director of the battleground state of north carolina. thank you for your time. guest: thank you. are going toup, we speak and get our perspective on the north carolina race on the presidential side and getting a look at the gubernatorial races as well. joining us with asked -- that discussion is gary pierce, retired. he also served as aide to governor jim hunt back in the day. he will talk to us about north carolina politics coming up. governor of the

current incumbent was at a recent debate and asked about support for donald trump, even asked her really -- even after "accessof that hollywood" tape. you can see it all on c-span, but here is the portion of debate that dealt with support for donald trump featuring patrick rory and his challenger, blake cooper. [video clip] we have character issues between the candidates but i'm voting for the one that best represents my viewpoints, even though i disagree with their character traits on issues like immigration and obamacare. it's a total disaster. something that the attorney general continues to praise is obamacare. it's a disaster if you are a middle-class individual. >> is hard to believe that governor mccrory continues to support a presidential candidate who condones sexual assault. who has admitted that he has

done that. that has continued to demean women. is the first time i have ever heard you speak up at all about donald trump. you have gone to his rallies. made jokes about house bill two on stage. was a gold star family demeaned by donald trump, you didn't say anything. when women were demeaned by donald trump, you didn't say anything. governor mccrory and donald trump are a lot alike. they both have trouble with the ints and they both engage divisive rhetoric. it's not good for our state or for our country. >> sadly we have to make some difficult decisions. back in your first years as attorney general and state senator you had to make some difficult decisions to vote for bill clinton. i'm sure that you were uneasy about many of the things that bill clinton did, but you had to make a choice and balance those

character traits. it's a sad cap commentary that we both had to make those decisions. >> "washington journal" continues. now from norths carolina as we continue taking a look at that state as a battleground state is gary co-publisher of the blog "talking about politics," democratic strategist and longtime observer of democratic politics. good morning, thank you for joining us. talk about what you are seeing for hillary clinton winning the state. are there other factors to consider? guest: we have got a couple of weeks left, who knows what might happen, but i think she's in good shape. north carolina is a really close state. we have been hard-fought the last two cycles.

this one has been very much the same. most of the polls show her up. her debate performance, particularly in the last debate, helped a lot, coming right before early voting started. seemed to me that a lot of democrats turned out for early voting. i think democrats are feeling pretty good about her chances in north carolina. host: you wrote this about her -- we talk about that first portion, the likable, admirable character part? why did you feel compelled to write that? people have a plastic image of her. she has been in politics for so long, she has so many scars, she has been attacked so much, she and her husband, i don't think

people have ever gotten a real sense of who she is, but i think that's the great thing about the debates. they made a huge difference in how they see her. they certainly made a big difference in how they see donald trump. host: both of these candidates have high unfavorables. do you think that those numbers will change between now and election day? guest: at this point i don't think you can do much about your unfavorable numbers. this race will be decided in the margins by undecided voters and turnout. i think the democrats are very enthusiastic and organized. end it couldin the make the difference in the race. i think she has done a great job overcoming the negatives she has with the positives she showed in this election. just one example, to stand there face-to-face, toe to toe with

donald trump for four and half hours shows she has the stamina, temperament, and toughness to be president. host: i know that you don't speak for the clinton campaign or the democratic party in the state, but do you have a sense of her get on the ground get out the vote operation and how elaborate or effective it is? well, i have a lot of friends were pretty close to that to know a lot more about that aspect of modern politics than i do and they tell me that it is a very impressive rivaling what president obama had in 2008, which drove him to victory here. on the other side, it does not sound like the republicans are well organized. seems to meters a pretty bad disconnect between the seat republicans and the trump campaign. disorganization, whatever it is. north carolina politics, a

battleground state, the focus of our last segment this morning. you can call in to speak to our guest, 202-270-8001 for all others. one of the questions that people are asking? what do you think hillary clinton has to appeal to for the questions they may be asking? what does sheest: have to appeal to? host: yes. guest: i tell you what, i'm having a hard time understanding undecided voters at this point in their campaign. what is it they don't know or can't make up their mind about? you would have to guess it's a lack of enthusiasm for either candidate. so, what she did in either debate, particularly the last debate, was make a pretty clear contrast in temperament,

personality, stamina, if you will. experience. ideas. every possible measure you could want in it president. i think she be trump on that. trump help her an awful lot. in some ways may be also needs to do for the next two weeks is go somewhere and hide and let donald trump keep talking. as far as democratic turnout, earlier numbers were showing 2.7 million democrats in the state. how many of those do you think will turnout come election day? guest: i couldn't give you a guess, i don't know enough about that. what i do know is there's huge in 20 over early votes that appear to be heavily democratic. of women voting. long lines here in wake county, the biggest voting county in the state. both for statewide and presidential elections. i think it's going to be a very high turnout.

the question then is -- what is the republican turnout going to be? i don't sense that they have the same enthusiasm for their candidate that the democrats have for theirs. host: as far as the state itself, there have been recent stories about how the state is changing in its demographic. do you get a sense of people, students in the state, does that then if it hillary clinton in the long run? not going toit's benefit her this time. we are still a closely divided state. north carolina is a big state. one of the 10 biggest. we have 10 billion people -- 10 million people. people moved her all the time for great reasons, it's a great place to be, but i don't think that makes a big difference now. the real thing is where the jobs are. they tend to attract people with college degrees. people who believe that

education, entitlements, and opportunities for people help. i think in the long run that's a good thing for democrats. we are split down the middle this year like we were in 2008, 2012, and every election in between. from john, whor lives in chapel hill. john, good morning, go ahead. morning, gary. good morning, america. thank you for having me on. a couple of comments. i wanted to get in with your earlier guest before gary came on, but i grew up in north carolina. to leave 50 years ago because i could not get a job here. i just want to say that north carolinians are still fighting a civil war. that governor

curry, senator burr and others have just tried to take act to where the state was. it's really sad. i've already voted. i voted for hillary. my whole family voted for hillary. because we think that's the only chance the state has in coming into the 21st century. those people who have not voted will get out and vote for hillary. vote for moving the state forward. or else we are just going to be a long-term state that people look down on, that has poor ,ducation, poor medical care because governor curry and the republicans have decided that they just don't want to help poor people. they want to raise taxes on poor people. that's what's been going on here. host: ok, john, thanks. ?uest: can i just say amen

i mean, i agree with everything he said and i think he captured a lot of what's driving democratic enthusiasm. when i talk about it it's not just the presidential choice. north carolina has a long history of being a progressive state. i worked for governor jim hawthorne for a long time. know when he was governor is one thehe fastest people in state, doing the most for education. teacher pay was up to the national average and we attracted new industries even likeh we were losing jobs, in manufacturing and tobacco. the state has come along way and there is a strong sense among a lot of north carolina and's that we have slipped back since the republicans took over the legislature and especially since governor mccrory came in four years ago. he came in with this reputation , andmoderate, a pragmatist

effective mayor of charlotte for a long time, but he just couldn't translate that to the governor's office. his problems are not just recent. they really go back to his first legislative session. when he was clear that the werelation -- legislators driving things, making him look very weak, something he has never overcome. they were driving things in a radical, right-wing direction. things that the caller talked about. voter suppression, cuts in education. hurting industries, like the industries we talked about earlier. it is a remarkable thing, when you consider it, we are sitting an incumbentabout republican governor and senator in a southern state who are in real trouble for reelection. it's remarkable and a measure of

the feeling in north carolina that the caller expressed. host: south florida, on the line for others. i am, good morning. i would like you to first make a statement, would it be possible to give amnesty for who have been involved in past abortion providing activity or any kind ?f abortion procurement that, would you still be in favor of the murder of blacks for the purpose of furthering the education of adults? i have a hard time following a logic there. i think she is talking about abortion. i think one of hillary clinton's

best moments in the debate and maybe in her political life was when she took a very clear and sound position in the last debate about this. something the government ought to be messing with. these are difficult decisions. particularly men don't need to be involved in this. this is a decision that women need to make for themselves. i understand people have awfully strong feelings about this but i think she has the right and reasonable position. host: our previous two guests talked about the religious makeup of the state. is there a tug-of-war between those ideas? especially when it comes to topics like abortion? guest: there is a tug-of-war. it has been a tug-of-war throughout our political history . go back to everson's the end of world war ii, there have been two rivers flowing through north carolina politics. for peopleve stream like jim hunt, believing that

education is based largely in the cities and universities and the socially liberal churches. there is a conservative stream represented by jesse helms for a long time that comes out of small towns and rural areas. been fighting these forever, my whole life. we used to just fight it out in the democratic primary between conservatives and progressives but now it's become the same fight, modernized and updated to today's issues between the democratic party that is progressive and a republican party that is conservative, but beyond that north carolina, the republican party has gone pretty far hard to the right. to an extent that most north carolinians -- it sort of like that down the middle, mainstream approach, they are very uncomfortable. gary --gary pearce is our

guest. he co-publishes a blog about politics. we heard about his earlier experiences in the state. tell us about the blog and its unique nature. what's interesting is that it is a democrat and a republican. my blogging partner is carter wren. we started it in 2000 five. we give credit to matthew gross, who worked for howard dean. he was one of the pioneers in online and digital campaigning. met matthew and he helped us. at the end of that time he said -- you guys should do a blog. carter said -- what's a blog?

it, we wentained after it, we try to do more than just repeat partisan talking points. and i have done that to death, now we sort of enjoy a behind get people the curtain look at how politics and campaigns worked in ways that sometimes though make any sense. host: frank, good morning. interesting debate here, talk or whatever. look, i came home from vietnam and 71. i was over there fighting the , china to keep them from coming in the front door. but a couple of years later they passed the abortion law where they could slaughter the unborn.

to this point they have slaughtered 50 billion just here in the united states. a christian, i have heard you thrown out christian terminology, throwing out church and stuff. you know that that's free written by god. god set up the institution of marriage back in the first book of the bible. the first couple of chapters. you can read about what a marriage is. there's no man with man or woman with woman getting married. i haven't seen any of them installed in the scripture since. host: thank you, caller. guest: i'm probably the least qualified to our gear -- are you scripture with anybody -- argue scripture with anybody, but i do -- there arearg

different interpretations. in terms of treating others as they treat us in this country today. host: turning that to the topic that was two law passed, what is your take? has been a disaster for the republicans. a classic political miscalculation. they created this issue. they called for a special session of the legislature to pass it. nobody saw it before it was passed. governor mccrory signed at the same night. realizing whato was in it, they saw that it did real economic damage. companies decided not to come here. a lot of companies that were looking at north carolina to locate here, they went away. of real blow is to the pride north carolina.

and then we lost the acc basketball tournament. it was born in north carolina. it belongs in north carolina. we ought to keep it here. i think that that damage is really severe. you see a lot of the legislative candidates now trying to back away from it. saying that the whole thing about it was the fault of charlotte. well, they were passing an ordinance against discrimination. there's no other way to paint that. of the last straw. it's not by itself the huge issue, but it really captured everything that governor mccrory, the republican legislature, have done, which has been for narrow partisan advantage rather than to try to benefit, lift up the whole state. now here we are, two weeks from the election, they are paying a half of upright -- a heck of a

price for it and they deserve it. host: sherry, you are up next. caller: that was a great response. if you could please give me 20 seconds to make two comments? first of all, there is a lot of building, a lot of houses being built. a lot of communities. i am seeing a lot of immigrants coming in from east india with great jobs. i work as a nurse. work for different companies. i don't see a lot of americans getting these great jobs. i don't see a lot of americans being able to afford these new communities. as far as the teachers, they are great but they are not being paid what they should be paid. second, i would like to say to america that this is about our future. we should vote people in that are going to do something for all of us and realize that if we

don't come together, republicans, independents, democrats, we are going to see more people in the country taking our resources and our jobs. thank you very much. guest: amen. you know, she's really talking about education. a lot of companies here, particularly in the research triangle, do have to look outside north carolina and even outside the country to get the kind of talented, educated people that they need. and that's great. it's great that we can get them here, they add a lot to our community. they add a lot to our economy. she's exactly right, we need to do more with education. something i learned from governor hunt many years ago. the number one thing you do to improve education is paid teachers well and treat teachers well. woodhouseat dallas

said about the pay raises, they are pathetically puny. carolina was at the national average when governor hunt was in. today we are like 44th in the country. and it's not just pay. teachers are incredibly dedicated people -- group of people. we have a daughter who is a teacher. i know how dedicated they are. they feel like they are being disrespected by the governor and the administration. that is why we are bleeding some of our best teachers, which can make more money in private enterprise, more money if they go over the border to virginia or south carolina. it's just inconceivable to me that north carolina wants to let that happen to our teachers and students. the next call is from monroe, north carolina, this is willard. caller: hello? host: you are on. go ahead. caller: ok, i don't really know

what's a matter with the american people. if they elect hillary clinton and she points all of these -- of points all of these liberal judges to the supreme court -- appoints all of these liberal judges to the supreme court, there will be a war, because they will not take away the second amendment. to elect a crook and a liar like her? i never voted before it my life and i'm going to vote and i'm going to vote for donald trump. he ain't the best person in the world, but he -- at least he ain't a crook and a liar like all the other politicians. caller was obviously unhappy with the way things are going. a lot of people probably agree with him.

and a lot of people don't. number one, there is not going to be a war because no one is going to try to take away the second amendment. there's too much power there, there is no need to. what she would probably do is appoint judges who believe in the first amendment, which is the right to speak our opinion, the way we are here. judges who was backed women's right to decide their own health care. judges who might be willing to take on the problem of dark iney and big money elections. i think that that would all be pretty good. from cedar rapids, iowa, this is edward. good morning. good morning. i do have a question. he made the comment earlier that all anybody will have to do for the next couple of weeks, all hillary would have to do is disappear and let donald trump talk. with that be so that she didn't

have to answer questions regarding e-mails, wikileaks, or project veritas? just curious. guest: i think she has probably had to answer more questions about that than any candidate in history has had to answer questions about. she did it for hours during the debate. on the campaign trail. the truth is that she is not going to hide for two weeks. she was here yesterday rallying. i read this morning that she is going to be in winston-salem later this week with michelle obama. for the two of them to be together in north carolina, it how cautiously optimistic

they are about this race. hillary canthat if , it isth carolina difficult to see donald trump getting into the white house. i think this is a great opportunity for north carolinians to pull up a rope lock. the: you talk about roadblock to getting out the vote. talk about turnout itself, low, high, who does it benefit? high: host: -- guest: turnout always benefits democrats. the higher the turnout, the better we do. disaster in the midterm in 2010, when republicans took control, gerrymandered the district. what demonstrates this is just the way that republicans in north carolina operate on election law.

so much of what dallas woodhouse was talking about. few weeks ago, dallas, as the executive clerk of the republican party, sent out an e-mail to all 100 county boards of election and urged them to changes." line in other words, to use government power to keep democrats from using votes. particularly minorities and young people. by in appalachia state university, where they have done almost everything they can to make it harder for students to they don't vote the wrong way for republicans. that is wrong. is one of the there is a lot of motivation and use as a there is no motivator in politics like anger. the democrats of north carolina are angry. tiffany is up next on the

line for others. go ahead. say,r: i would like to what a big difference in demeanor between this guest and the last one. he was completely arrogant and very disrespectful. people should keep that in mind the next time they start allowing these politicians to run their lives. who has respect for them and who doesn't. i'm actually born and raised in san francisco. i must say, the democratic agenda, i don't think they've actually, either one, has the american people at heart, you know? thing, it'sigration been a disaster out here. it's been a full-blown invasion of everybody. know, when is enough immigrants enough? a lot of these people, they only allow a billion, will we stop? three children on average?

what is the population going to be in the next 15 years? with thisenough immigration stuff. the rest of america, you better be careful. they are coming to your state, too. obviously a lot of people are upset about immigration and i'm not an expert on that. here in north carolina we have that would be hard-pressed to be as successful as it is if it wasn't for immigrants. those are people working in the phd's and high-tech industries. people building houses. i think they are an important part of our economy in the state. obviously there could be problems with it. i think it is a draconian approach that demonizes these people. it's time for a more constructive approach that welcomes people who make a

contribution, gives them a path to citizenship and encourages illegal behavior instead of illegal behavior. in many ways we should be glad to work in a country where the freedoms, jobs, and opportunities we have, people want to come here. that's the great thing about america. how much of a driver of people to the polls is the topic of jobs in the economy? do people vote primarily on that issue? it's next. people want to continue to see the driving growth that happened here. they are concerned about policies that they think hurt them. , lack ofke hb2 investment in education. a lot of things play out differently in urban areas versus rural areas. small towns are losing jobs.

a lot of young people don't see any future there and that is why they leave. that is what leads to a lot of the concern from democrats and republicans about trade unions. they don't see the things like them.helping they see the factories closing, the jobs going overseas, the trump shirts made in china or whatever it is. so, always, always, jobs, the economy is a big issue. here tosely related education and tolerance with acceptance of people who may be different from what we're used to. was inonald trump fletcher, north carolina, talking about his administration and what it would do for jobs. we will play a little bit of it and get your response. [video clip] we will renegotiate

nafta and stop the jobs for leaving our country. we are going to start making things in america again. going to start making things in north carolina again. we are bringing back our jobs. america first, remember that. doesn't that kind of message appealed to north carolinians? guest: it does. the truth is, he may have done better if he'd stuck to that message rather than insulting everybody in america. there is a lot of concern about jobs. he has said that he's going to fix it but never has in his businesses. it's very interesting. toning directly contrary

what the governor is trying to say in his campaign for reelection. that we had more jobs than ever before. it cannot be helpful to him for his parties presidential candidate to come into north carolina and say that the economy here is going to hell in a handbasket and the only person that can fix it is me. i expect that governor mccrory wishes the trump would spend his time campaigning far away from here. bud, west virginia. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. i have a question for the gentleman. he started out by saying that north carolina was progressive state -- a progressive party. nobody ever explains to the public what progressive is. i would like to see his comment

about what a progressive party states. , butw it as socialism nobody ever brings that up. the democratic party being hijacked by the socialist party. thank you. my answer is no, not being hijacked by a socialist party. to many, the definition of progressive is the party that is committed to giving as many people as possible as many opportunities as possible to be everything they can be. terry sanford, governor of 1960, inspired me. jeff hunt, he worked for it all his life. i grew up in north carolina all my life. anytime there has been an issue, whether it was about civil rights for african americans, equal rights for women, today equal rights for the lgbt

community, it's always the isocratic already that pushing. sometimes it's very unpopular, but we still do it. where always pushing them to open up the doors to more people . it's always the republicans trying to slam the door on his many people as they can. it has been truce in slanting 60 and it's true today. fayetteville, north carolina, james, good morning, you are on with dallas woodhouse -- with gary pearce. president obama has been out campaigning for hillary. who is paying for that? is the people paying for that? is hillary paying for that? if joe biden and the president go out and campaign for hillary, how come they are not at their office doing the job that we pay for? the other thing is, if we vote hillary in, the promise of the

will have, we have already seen it when she was secretary of state. those are my comments. i think the law is that all political travel has to be paid for by the party. i'm confident that the president can do two things at one time into them awfully well. if he has that concern, he ought to have the same concern about senator burr. one of his problems is a bad attendance record on key committees. governor mccrory has campaigned all over the state. i suspect that he could do the job at least as well, so i don't think it's a serious problem. host: burlington, patty is next. , iler: i want to say to you

am 70 years old. i have lived in north carolina all my life. pat mccrory has stood up and since matthewday came through north carolina. he has stood up. i have raised the granddaughter. going to alamance community college. she said that those teachers care more about the teachers that in the school. childrenen with my own , you can talk about it, but they are not getting the education they should. they show impartiality towards people. i want to tell you something, there are 10 people in my family voting for trump.

i'ma tell you something about the bible. jesus is the supreme being and he is the supreme court. i will tell you, donald at least has christians around him. i don't know about hillary. because there is so much hate between them both. host: thank you, caller. guest: the caller has just a couple of years on the. there is one thing i agree with, we are not doing enough in the public schools. paying the teachers better would make a big difference in this whole situation. we have discussed a lot of topics this morning. what other issues are important to north carolinians, other than the topics we have discussed? guest: the main thing is --

there are two things driving north carolinians to the polls. we can hear that from the caller. and then there's the separate track on state issues. things like education, house bill two, lack of leadership from governor corey. so, you have got to tracks driving. senator burr is in a lot of trouble. having proven to be stronger and more formidable, she could very well win that race. the attorney general an incredible candidate for governor. they have captured it that you're running for north carolina again not to lag behind, but to lead. that,n issues around there are a lot of them, but i

think that's the big thing. host: hello, joseph. caller: thank you for taking my call. the most important thing i've seen his teachers and jobs. dollar isf each tax being spent on the warmest sheen? for thesemore money other programs, it could all work better. another thing, we the people keep the church separate from the government. the church involved, start taxing the churches. thank you. i think everybody is concerned about how much we have spent on more. you know, trillions of dollars since the invasion of iraq.

the cost in money pales beyond suffering. it's another reason to vote democratic. host: do you think her policy will work against her, or dime and secretary of state and her vote on iraq? guest: it's a huge issue. the thing is, which of those candidates has the judgment, the toughness, and steadiness that we want in a dangerous world? i understand why some people like trump with the things they are dissatisfied with. if they think they can watch donald trump for four and a half hours, saying that this is the man they can trust in command of their military with nuclear i thinkd relations, that's something president obama doesn't get enough credit for.

the restraint that he's shown for a more peaceful country and safer country. it's something that i think hillary will continue and it's a good thing for america. on election night, what will you be looking at in terms of indicators? what kind of clues are you looking at to see if it will be for hillary clinton? guest: the first thing i will look for, partly because i have good friends running for legislature in wake county, i will see what they are doing -- how they are doing. wake county is the most important democratic county. i will be looking at that and i'm not smart enough to know, but i know some very smart get a handle on what republican turnout has been. with those who are not happy in

having trump as their standardbearer. , if you areearce interested in his writing, tics.com, youoli can find it there. thank you for your time this morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: again, all this week on "the washington journal," we will be looking at battleground states. starting with north carolina today, tomorrow looking at iowa. turn to wednesday, pennsylvania. that senate debate that's going on with the incumbent, pat toomey, you can see that debate tonight at 7:00 on c-span. turning to florida on thursday. and then we will finish up a at that series with a look at ohio as a battleground state of friday. as always, you can turn to our website or www.c-span.org for more information for more material that we have up there. including the candidates and all

of that information on the 2016 website. that is it for our program today. another edition of "washington journal" will come your way tomorrow morning at 7:00. see you then. ♪ >> in about a half an hour we will hear from theresa may on her recent meeting dealing with the u.k.'s exit from the eu. the prime minister and opposition leaders speaking at the house of commons live at 10:30 eastern on c-span. on the road to the white house hillary clinton will campaigning in new hampshire with massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. we will take you