tammy: i think it was absolutely poor. i would rely on the report that was given to congress. they said that it was shoddy prosecute, just like you would prosecute an ordinary american who did the same thing. >> you have said twice that you were against the iraq invasion. hillary was for it. what would you before in terms of syria? how would you address that issue? to helpld you support bring that conflict to an end? syria is a major international crisis both

humanitarian, but also one of national security proportions. i think we need to put greater pressure on our allies, allies like turkey who are attacking rear onrces from the one side -- the government forces. government we come up with in terms of getting rid of bashar al-assad, he has destroyed that nation and been responsible for the mass murder of so many citizens. i do think airstrikes as well as the use of a no-fly zone toward a cease-fire is something we should continue to press on. but this is not something america can do on its own, and i would not be something who -- someone who would just write saything carte blanche and

go ahead and send in troops. i want to be there when issues of four and peace are negotiated, and i will be there after, -- issues of war and peace are negotiated, and i will be thereafter. that means we have to provide ammunition for the future, these are questions i can ask. havee been there and i been a logistics supply officer for a battalion. more airstrikes, more pressure on our allies, making sure we are not undermining ourselves with allies like turkey attacking the kurds or the syrians fighting and moving forward against the government forces. , anything we can do to try to expand the cease-fire, and working with russia to try to get there. look at what the

conditions are for a safe haven, but i think a safe haven is something that should be put on the table for discussion. the problem with a safe haven is that there is an argument they could be used by fighters to resupply and reconstitute .hemselves any type of agreement with a safe haven clause would have to address that particular issue. >> i think we should have a safe haven administered by the jordanian military, to keep people who do not want to be and make ancted international commitment to protect people in the region. >> unfortunately, the jordanian military does not have the capacity to single-handedly maintain a safe haven. with that. but i believe the jordanian military should do it with us

and we could help them maintain a safe haven. american troops in jordan with .ordanian government support quick so, increasing american troops in jordan? agreehink the king would with that. >> if you have airstrikes, what would you do with all the associated logistical needs? you would need observers, rescue surprise --tics supplies for the increase. who would run all that? massive increase of u.s. presence as well as a logistical commitment and supplies to the forces. an air defenset of battery near it to make sure if it wasuld live flying over the safe haven, and

the united states could well protect that. >> so a massive air defense battery. that's a large -- this is why i want to go to the senate. i want to ask these questions. folks who have not actually run the logistics can't ask the right questions of the administration. we can't have a rubber stand. still operating on the mf.1 au we need a new a umf for the middle east, authorization for use of military force. the major conflict has changed. why is congress not doing its is?in arguing about what it the secretary came to congress and said we need guidelines. he is talking about a massive

increase in american troops. militaryn words, a battery to maintain a safe haven, but we are not even talking about the issues that go with it. i have been a downed pilot in enemy territory and i was grateful that there were a recovery teams there to come rescue me. that's a commitment of u.s. troops. if we are going to do that, the american people need to know. that's something that will not lives -- and we have to think about the lives of the troops we send over there, but we are talking about the cost of war that goes on for decades. andtwo wars, iraq afghanistan, and the bush tax cuts, are going to account for bt by 2019.de we cannot keep spending money the way we are when it comes to these issues.

>> you would've voted against the afghan war? >> i would not have, but if you took that off the table and just taxk with iraq and the cuts, that's a trillion dollars in national debt by 2019. -- i debt is the concern know you have voted to increase defense spending. even voted to increase the deficit. you did not support simpson bowles. how can people take your word that you will be a cost-conscious senator? >> i have lead by example. if you look at my record in the house, when i brought up the back $10,000urned of my own salary or got used furniture instead of buying new furniture for my offices, and i

have returned almost $400,000 from my office budget in the time i have been in congress, every drop helps. i have been a cost cutter in the armed services committee. i looking now at some of the spending happening in the state department. problem with simpson bowles is i don't think it was comprehensive enough across all levels. cutsone thing to have tax for the wealthiest, but you have to have tax cuts for middle income families. that something most americans, especially people in illinois, rely on. often, that's the only wealth building mechanism they have. to talke if you want about getting rid of tax credits for a second or third home, but for a first home, no. i think there are many wonderful things in simpson bowles. i havelook at the work

done in the house and want to do in the senate, line by line, i have talked about all the ways to cut spending. astonished, is did a senior financial literacy and they said we knowingly spend 10% of our budget to fraudulent claims every year. $60 billion a year. gos why i created the act to after that, to use electronic and medical records to make sure ango after that and can keep eye on that. parts of it have been passed and were just passed last year. those are the kind of things we have to go after. we let medicare go in and

negotiate for lower drug prices. that's $24 billion a year we can save. look at noted to spending money when it comes troops to syria. we need to grow our gdp. hard why i am pushing so at making illinois a leader in manufacturing. as a percentage of gdp has been dropping. need to grow our gdp as well as cut spending. >> you have said you want to make community college free. how would you do that? not federally funded. it is funded by industry. i want to touch back on the fact that the manufacturers

association -- i am one of the last democrats showing up to manufacturers meetings in congress. manufacturers tell us the reason they have not got more market share and more customers is not because they do not have a demand for their product, it's because they do not have skilled workers to fill the jobs they have. that is why places like northrop grumman provided a grant to hertford college for their program. on the first day they get into the program, it's partially through the community college. and partially funded through industry. they get paid partially by northrop grumman, who helped develop the curriculum.

their machinery, high-tech manufacturing certification, as well as things that are more mundane like a welding certificate. at the end of two years, northrop grumman gave all seven kids in the program a job and asked the college to give them more students the next year. to helpat how you plan pay for community college on a state-by-state basis ordeal do you want the federal government to pay to make community college free? >> i think we start with a framework of public-private partnership. let's start with a degree that actually results in a job. i will go back to my opening statement. i want to push american manufacturing and made in america.

let's start with that first. there is a job there for students who want to go into it. the proposal i have come up with in terms of my in the red act, which includes not only technical college, but refinancing student loan debt, would allow the right off of the bonuses they give the top income as a business expense. we can close a tax loophole to provide that money. the community college program is starting out at $12 million.

more manufacturers are stepping forward to partner in that. that particular program is not even government-funded at all. craig's she doesn't know. >> part of this is the programs we will be talking about, right? they let's start with programs that don't cost federal dollars. group like northrop grumman that gets federal .ontracts .ook at the defense industry northrop grumman did not participate in the community

college program out of the goodness of their heart. they did it because they needed to train workers and could not get them. say the difference between the two of us is i am a fiscal conservative, and she wants to spend more, tax more, and drive us deeper into debt. , want to spend less, tax less and get us out of debt. she has laid out a position than the secretary, who worked so hard on the commission, and said it was his proudest moment. i was very proud of him for that. a bunch ofgize wagons rolling around in the and the wagon has two horses pulling it. when you could call durban. when you could call kirk. atthey are always nipping

each other, the illinois wagon will not go very fast. i have to have a good relationship with the guy who has the same title i have in the senate. we have a different economic philosophy. i want to spend less, tax less, and borrow less to fix the economy. >> he wants to tax less the top income earners, the people who send jobs overseas. what he is not talking about is taxing less the middle income earners. he called free college of the ways. he voted against allowing students to refinance student loan debt is the most debt held in the nation. it is keeping them from becoming homeowners. it is keeping them from consumer -- becoming consumers. they are so burdened by debt

they cannot get ahead. when i talk to people in illinois, they plead with me to help with student debt. they have no other options. the program, as i said, would start with community relationships. i would start with public -private partnerships to begin with. that is something that is holding back families and people all across the country, especially here in illinois. my opponent floated against handouts. they want to refinance their student loan debt the way they .an refinance their mortgage

>> we here in illinois have to -- we have a clarion call to protect the people of the united and puerto rico. we have to make sure we elect members of congress who don't promise more free stuff and ofirely increase the burden the united states. i think if we create a new entitlement program, it might be as successful as obama care. legislationduced that would allow every new mom and dad in the country to start a 401k its account -- kids account the day their son or daughter is born to make sure the nest day can build up. i think that will be the most important financial tool for your son or daughter, to make has thet the statement child's name at the top and dad

and mom can sit down and say this is what you have in stocks and bonds. this is what you have in savings. what a tool for a lifetime of sustained and disciplined .avings to get to where we are >> that would actually abandon the folks who still have $1.3 trillion of student loan debt being held in this country. homes who could be buying , and put that money back into the economy as consumers. they are burdened by debt. they are moving back into their parents homes and basements. their parents of cosigned for this debt. we have to fix the problem. i think it's wrong to not allow students to refinance student loan debt. >> it's incredibly expensive. my opponent can't even tell you.

401k, we haven't gotten it through the congressional budget office scorer right now. we did have -- we did ask the committee to score it. i don't have an official score right now. you have a proposal for a u.s. presence in jordan. >> i used to be in the air defense game in the navy. aircraft carrier could easily protect a safe zone in jordan. if she was just off the coast of israel, she could easily do that. not have to have boots on the ground. if you just designate that area. ,rom an air defense viewpoint an aircraft battle ship could

easily protect a no-fly zone and operating range of the mediterranean. we can't keep people on an alert status indefinitely. in order to keep a battlement off station, you'd have to have battle groups in line being trained up to go in. and those can only stay on station for a fair amount of time. start hauling up the military active duty or reserve forces. these guys go from a station into that, and the process for rotations in -- let's just say national guard rotations, is a five-year training up. you are in -- >> what you are seeing is a different philosophy. goyou are being trained to

in. that's national guard, air guard, army guard combined. >> when the navy is at sea, it's doing 90% of what it has to do it wartime. the up-tempo of the army is very low. is exactly the same in peacetime and in war. you have 5000 guys on an aircraft carrier. they all need coffee and bacon. >> a safe haven for syrian .ivilians outside of syria >> i want to go back to the logistics of this right now because it doesn't even make sense. you would be keeping a battle group at sea continuously for how long? don't you think the american people deserve to know that? don't you think these folks deserve an aumf?

not to and said to congress that we don't have enough ships to do the job we have right now. don't have enough aircraft. we have aging f-16's. we don't have the ships to meet the mission we have right now. the navy doesn't fly f-16s. >> the air force does. >> yes, it does. >> are you proposing this would be a navy only operation? >> i think the navy could easily handle it. we already have u.s. government agencies involved in a safe haven area. >> there is no safe haven in syria. that's all we are talking about. >> lindsey graham and i have been very involved in upping the

assistance to jordan to make sure they can handle the burden. have't think the syrians declared war on jordan at all. that you havenk thought this out very well. and that is my fear. we can't afford to have knee-jerk reactions and decisions to go to war. this commits america long-term, terms of human resources, but financial resources. we are in the problem we are in with the budget because of these wars we got into. thismily has defended nation going back to the revolution. i served for 23 years. to be inis nation jeopardy, but i am also not going to allow us to beat the drums of war at the drop of a hat. we can't afford to do that.

a history ofs supporting these excursions that ,ave not worked out well for us whether it is the iraq invasion, supporting the syrian rebel army, now talking about -- i'm sorry, i don't know the navy that well, but to put the carrier group in the middle east indefinitely off the coast of israel -- >> the sixth fleet's already stationed in the mediterranean. as a senior member of the army, i thought you should know. >> can you elaborate on that? he thought it would impact the physical condition. no means was it a mention to physical conditions. , andve our challenges bytors notes put out

physicians have made it clear he is responsible for everything he says. what would you call it when you have a man who in 2007 said one we can combatys illegal immigration from mexico free distribute contraceptives? what word would you use when you have someone who would repeatedly -- and this very newspaper has called him out on it -- exaggerated military service to the extent that he received a letter from the navy telling him to cease and desist. what would you call it when you have someone who says we drive faster through african-american neighborhoods? he compared the president of the united states to a drug dealer ?n chief >> what would you call it? >> i think it's irresponsible and not befitting of the united states senator and he has been saying the things for well over 10 years.

>> i think i have two quick return of phrase. congresswoman duckworth and i are in a tight race. everything we say is going to be analyzed in excruciating detail. we are both adults and we both understand that. quickave two quick -- too phrase, i apologize. >> what do you apologize for? >> when i called lyndsay ebro with no hole, i apologize. what you said about the president? >> he sent millions of dollars to the iranians in cash. the irony, he made the payment in euro notes, and the iron he is the european union had already discontinued the 500 euroof the

notes because they are too involved in drug dealing. >> he said we should not need to get prisoners out. >> the state department issued a notice right after he sent the the to be aware that iranians want to capture another american. it's important that our government conduct itself in a way that there is no price on the heads of americans. reason we don't pay ransom is to make sure there is no incentive. >> did ministration said they release the money after the hostages were on a plane. they have come very close to saying this was a payment. also said that money was already committed to be returned to iran and had nothing to do with the hostages, but they did block the money and withheld the

money -- they used it as leverage. they did. approve of that? >> i approve of getting americans home. i would not go out in pay ransom. i think it's important to get americans released and it's an important diplomatic tool. regardless, when these things are happening or when we are negotiating a iran nuclear deal, we cannot have a united states senator who continues to say these irresponsible things. he implied the president wanted to iran. he used a dog whistle by calling the president barack hussein obama. i mean, he consistently over the years -- and do ways we can combat illegal immigration from mexico is to tod free contraception mexico? >> over the years, i have been very involved in family planning abroad so that women another

countries can decide to have smaller families. i think if we execute these programs in mexico, it's to our benefit. >> you said one way to battle immigration is to offer free contraception to mexico. this is a serious time. we simply cannot afford at a time when we need greater bipartisanship, greater dialogue, to have a senator who has a decades long history of saying inflammatory things. that doesn't help us. who traveled to china to talk to chinese not to buy u.s. bonds because they are not backed. in hanoi, when steel mills shutdown of chinese manipulation of their currency, they want to know what is going on. those families are out of work,

are figuring out how are they are trying to pay their mortgage. to hear these things is not useful. >> candidates usually go on general 11 in cases like this. issuesre clearly other you disagree on. have three debates scheduled. two in chicagoland, one downstate to my understanding. i think we've got several appearances coming up. show,ople that like this you will be able to see this show again. it is up to tammy. >> i will go anywhere. let's do abc 7.

-- let's this is not do abc 7. that's the largest station in the chicagoland area with the widest dealership. --widest viewership. it is one that we don't miss. come on, we can do it together. >> [indiscernible] >> no, we accepted a very early on all of these debates. we actually changed some dates in order to accommodate. why are you not doing the debate? >> it would be fine with me to do that. >> i would love to do abc 7.

she is right, it is the number one station in chicagoland. >> happy to do it. >> we will see. i am tied with my schedule whenever harry-- >> apparently they tried to schedule you and you have not committed. >> we have agreed to several debates. >> i am happy to do abc 7. wgm, i just accepted it. that is not actually univision, univision is abc seven. wherever you would like to go to debate senator, i will go there. we can do that. hour.are at our that we is something did not cover, please take a couple minutes. >> before we go to quick

closing, there is a story about where each of you were on december 11. could you each address that? >> on september 11 i was in scotland on vacation with my sister-in-law. as soon as we heard the issue that new york was under attack and lost the flight in pennsylvania, i immediately got on the phone with my commander and was on the phone continuously. doing what is called the raging bull message, the alert goes out to everyone in the unit. we had the only aviation unit in all of chicagoland. at the time we did not have to coast guard unit. we do not know if chicago would be next. i was back within 48 hours and we were often the only unit flying in the skies of chicago that week as you recall.

we did not know when the next attack was going to come. we were pretty sure that chicago was another high-value target. we were on duty that entire time, making sure we could respond if needed. and in fact, we did. we flew training missions that week and the following week where the faa asked us to intercept unknown aircraft. aircraft to be small that were seeing what they could get to. >> is that explanation sufficient to you? >> when i read the story, she did not even know what country she was in. she claimed to be commanding her unit. rep. duckworth: i was commanding my unit. if you had been a unit commander, you are in command of your unit regardless of whatever or wherever you are. a breakfastary had

with simple members of congress and the executive dining room. question how long you are with him. >> i would say i did not keep a detailed minute by minute longer board. when the rumsfeld breakfast ended, i left. 2004, he sent me a medal that i assume percent to all of the members at breakfast. i drove back to my car. i had a budget to meeting meeting. rep. duckworth: the only memento i have from secretary rumsfeld is this-- don't we take a couple moment for closing arguments? >> after my stroke, i spent

weeks looking out the window at the rehabilitation institute of chicago, i what i call blue blacks. night.r day, black for i said, when i go back to the debt senate, and inability -- i am going to build a relationship with dick durbin. i thought, what is the one essence of illinois's political gift to the country that i can boil down? based on the lincoln presidency, i would say that is an individual dignity and freedom based on the 1964 civil rights act. that these illinois values translated from the heartland, where we all believe people should have an equal chance to get ahead. for me, i have been very involved and separate in the civil rights issue and have happy to have the endorsement of the civil rights campaign.

i am so good on a rights issues. if you love someone, you cannot suffer in any way. we need to those values translated into our political time and fabric. we would have to go back to the senate to be the kind of toartisan voice for illinois make sure that our interests are always advancing that we are in export powerhouse. for my opponent, who comes to be for manufacturing but does not listen to the illinois manufacturing association, who w ants the tpp. we have to sell our manufactured goods into the foreign markets. 1/3 of the products coming off of the line of caterpillar or for export markets. when you drive the highways of illinois, the farmers will tell you that one third of cornstalks are therefore export. of allll tell you 95%

human beings on earth are not american, and we have a goal to feed them. i would say growing to an export powerhouse, we are working hard on that. we want to go back to the senate to be the glue between both parties, and had devised by my work on gun control with kierstin gillibrand of new york. i am notworth: interested in bringing any political gifts to the united states senate like senator kirk. i want to focus on promoting our economy and growing gdp, beginning in illinois with manufacturing. that means we have to support businesses to give them tax breaks for keeping jobs here, and company hands of tax reforms that would feed hatred dollars back and united states. -- patriot dollars and united states.

they just now built a factory in they willn order -- ship those jobs overseas because it is cheaper to manufacture. we have to keep those jobs here in illinois. we need to invest in education. it is not just about the next generation, but the strength of our nation, we built a thriving economic leader in our country after world war ii because we had those investments in education. we are not there anymore. without an educated workforce, we won't have the people to drive the engines of our economy with any fashion. --with manufacturing. i want to make sure we listen to the great people of this state that do not see the economy improving for them. there. not see the jobs i cannot see that they can better afford to pay their markets, or that their kids can go to college. if we were going to give tax breaks to the top income

earners, like my opponent has time and time again, we need to make sure there is some therefore working hard -- some t here for working hard families. my opponent calls the wage fairness asked the most success --wage fairness act "the most sexist piece of legislation ever." how is it sexist to make sure that women in illinois don't make $12,500 on average less than men? that is money that is not being spent at the local stores. that is money not being put toward children's education. we have real work to do. it is time to get to work and time to stop the bluster and expeditionary warfare, wanting to send troops overseas without truly thinking things through. it is time for responsible work. i am not interested in sending politics to washington. i am making sure we bring jobs

to illinois, that we compete on a national and global stake. that means investments right here in illinois. thank you. sen. kirk: thanks for having us. >> coming up in just under one hour on c-span, athletes, politics, protests, and social chain. thescussion hosted by afl-cio, live on c-span here at 5:30 eastern. debate on a race to replace indiana governor mike pence. the candidates are candidate john gregg, republican eric holcomb, and libertarian rex bell that is at 7:00 p.m. eastern. on election day, november 8, the nation decides our next president, and which party to controls the house and senate. stay with c-span for coverage

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guest: good morning, how are snu host: for those who don't know your show and the perspective you come from. show is syndicated across the country on salem etwork from 9 p.m. to midnight eastern. in iowa, born here. i've been involved heavily in a lot of campaigns, primarily republican campaigns from dog to presidentwa, up of the united states. i was one of the first people on during nd here in iowa the last caucus cycle, for example, to begin organizing for ted cruz. got a pretty extensive background in grassroots politic iowa.ary host: you said you organize, rotect cruz, here two weeks before election day, what is likelihood donald trump could win iowa? is a tough state for any republican to win and that's think republicans have won this state once since 1988, pedro. are an aging state, one of

the oldest in the union. older the state, higher subsidy and big government votes for. he other, we are major agricultural state. that has been a tremendous heavily to us, subsidized industry. it's very difficult for people of limited ge government to win this state in presidential election with turnout than mid-term elections. the government would say anything or promise anything to and he's also somebody that appeals to base of rural white traditional ore republican candidates struggled to reach and polls have shown this. despite trump the last few eeks, one of the last pacificy holdouts that withstood has been iowa, although you are starting polling change on that, as well. organizationally, he is behind. he is s of trajectory, behind, but i would give him

probably if the election were the today, depending what trend line around the country was, 50/50 chance to win it, of republican ot nominees have had coming down the stretch in this state over years. host: how are republicans looking at the last couple weeks the t of the release of tape and other things that stemmed from that? guest: pedrothat, is part of tratjectory, no question about it. something i said to the radio audience across the country he became the presumptive nominee in may. going toelieved he was win, i'm not surprised to see any of this. we vetted him closely in iowa that is why he lost in the highest turnout iowa caucus of all time. real issue here now is we're at this juncture i warn body for f. we get down to the end, pedro, and he can't win win.oks like he will not a lot of people will say, i don't want to be one dude at the defending g dinner

the indefensible and ruining everybody's holiday. what is the point in plugging my nose and voting for him. zone. in the danger i thought nate silver had an thought a couple days ago and i think when you go out and tell people the system and i can't win that, is one of the strangest cotton-picking get out to vote seen.s i've maybe it will work, but i don't know why anybody think its is a tell people, to vote for me, but it won't work anyway. november 8. host: 202-748-8000 for iowa residents. 202-748-8001 for all others. mr. steve deace, i know that has certain amount of people in the state that are religious in their beliefs, how play with mr. trump? guest: i think he's going to underperform among evangelicals in the caucus. about to be careful throwing around terms.

there are liberals in the northeast that think they are because they went to st. anthony for one day. a card nk uchrist is game. a lot of people think they are evangelicals because they live there is a first baptist on peach tree street and first assembly on the other side of peach tree street and they went on christmas and easter mae, the rest of the sundays they areats the football ames or off, you know, working on marksmanship. not that there is anything wrong is america, is afterall. religious identity, in some culture may be cultural identity n. iowa, you are ou are evangelical, we not like dominant cultural force here, not the dominant world here. a lot of people say they are evangelicals, that is a creed, system, not a sector of the population or faction and i

think you saw this. had the highest turnout iowa caucus by a longshot in a long people thought on february 1, most people thought at g in, if record turnout the polls were forecasting turned out to be true and voters turned cus out to be true, trump would win f. they did turn out to be true lost, why? we had groups on the ground like the family leader, very influential organization for evangelicals going to churchs that had g people out never voted before. to vote their values, not vote or who fox news said could win or who was on the inds of people because of the media coverage. i think he will underperform romney has done with evangelicals because of the hings you just eluded to, but may make up for that by getting rural white voters that in the republican nominee

didn't have a chance to get. dozen six and one half of the other. from iowa, talk show host, steve eace, talking about the battleground of iowa. first call from eric. .ric is in delaware ou are on with the guest g. ahead with your question or comment. caller: yeah, hi, steve. i want to thank you for your show. i've been listening the last closer ths, i'm coming to understanding god is the only answer for this country and i election, fear the god is in control. why are on is that evangelicals trying to twisting pretzels to support donald trump, but when it comes to the devil in influence her to into christianity, into the get her to y to

change? that is my question. to that.e answer guest: i'm glad that this was one of the first questions that morning, pedro. one thing that is really been he most -- among the most disappoint nothing this election is to watch evangelical, so-called, i should say, bastardize, leaders if not out right deceive what the scripture means, the bible culture becoming increasingly secular and ignorant of the foundings in the first place. alienating people with what you actually believe is bad enough, doing it with what you believe is just dumb. when i hear christian leaders say things like in the bible god flawed people. it is true. but number one, we're not god, future. know the god knows how things with david are going to turn out, he's god. knows how things with samson

cyrusu and nebechanezer are out. to turn often evangelical leaders will use flawed moral repru baits like donald trump, can't use bill clinton? what a puny god we serve, that peopleonly seemingly use with magic r after his name. corinthians, n two 6:66. credited to him all magicness, absolved of all sin. is not hackry that, christianity. if you cannot represent christianity in the public compromising it, get out. we have seen too much of that. a partisan hack, work for the rnc or dnc and leave the bible out of it. from tamma, iowa, linda up next. caller: good morning. mother, grandmother, sister

and an aunt, i cannot believe iowa support a presidential candidate who is so of women.ful do voters of iowa think trump his negative attitude about women, veterans, disabled, minorities, minorities that have been called to the front by his ridicule? do you think he will change his ttitude toward women in this country? guest: that sounded like you did a great job reading off a script. criticisms. your there is proverb that says one man's story seems true until you side.he other many things the caller is referencing criticisms i have ade on my radio show, explanation as to why i never

thought he was going to win. ou don't win by shrinking the electorate. i mean, the republicans needed to do in this mitt on, hold on to romney's base and add to it. i thought all along the number group was suburban voters, main group obama flipped in 2008 the presidential election and republicans needed to win them back, they have not poll withing are catholics and white college graduates and white women. those are three groups a lot of live in the suburbs. if you can't win those groups, suburbs.ot winning the remember newton's first law of physics, for every reaction, opposite reaction. i will not apologize for donald trump. callers the most leftist to c-span, unless they are low nabob tion conspiittator will put donald trump down more than i already have. when hillary clinton spends years saying my husband didn't assault these women. didn't harass these women tis vast right-wing

conspiracy. hen hillary clinton says in primaries things like, my number one enemy are republicans and of wants to run on campaign we're better together, when she has for example, told christians the bible teachings about morality are true, out i ht said, if i'm president, will sick government on you and your first amendment liberty and freedoms ensidelined in the constitution. it works the other way, as well. side,you pick on the other you are going to create your own backlash. when you call people who deplorables, you, there are people supporting donald trump and spread this pepe the frog crap. people are supporting hillary clinton that are deplorable. it is part of the human condition. when you do those sorts of things, make the other side's as trump has t done. when trump told racial minorities, said things about should not be surprised he will see backlash

against him he will see on november 8. other way, as well. hillary clinton is told key constituency groups of the other are not welcome in my home, not welcome in my administration, vino interest in out your reservations, beliefs or concerns, don't be backlash that creates against her, too. she is no saint. high, atives are record except for trump. host: from glenville, illinois, glenview, illinois, john is up next, go ahead. caller: good morning. a question about i have not heard your show, i'm not iowa. i would like to know how you covered, if you did cover, how the issue that had to do with the f.b.i., the quid quo pro in the news recently. i went out and looked at the upset t myself and was the way fox covered it. at least i can make it short documents, the

f.b.i. wanted resources llocated in a certain way, f.b.i. was currently investigating hillary's e-mails over and rned classifications. f.b.i. agent asked, looking at classifications, asked the state department if they could quo pro, the id state department said, no. allocate ll not resources regardless. they noteified the higher ups in that f.b.i. person was fired. the news was in the exact opposite of what the state hat department maybe offered quid uo pro, which is opposite and makes hillary look bad. they did exactly what they should do, say no and let the know what was toechlted. host: caller, we'll get our that. to respond to guest: you know, there is only

one really, if you look at two hillary clinton's polling has suffered in this ace, pedro, during her health scare. i think a lot of that was when we got out of august, media trump ve was the comeback, because these people ay or may not be liberally biassed. i think in many cases they are. one thing liberally biassed cover, on't want to three-month route, they were upng to create drama leading to the debate. hillary suffered in the comey investigation, the reached rector conclusion. go back and watch what james comey said in the press basically said hillary clinton is guilty of everything you think she is, but prosecute herg to anyway. and there are people that have gone to prison for the things is accused of doing. i have a hard time believe thering has been too many multiple field offices have gone to the justice department requesting allocation resources for investigations

and have been denied, not just multiple and that is something that definitely happened in this race frchlt a perspective, what is a shame, a portion of the epublican electorate chose to throw a tantrum, rally around essentially a cult leader, chose go with ially just whoever the media threw up as most likely nominee because as reported during the primary, trump received about 60 times more coverage ran the same candidates who did. it is a shame because none of these sorts of issues are going of majority minds of the american people when they go vote november 8 and 5% have voted if you look at early voting numbers. this entire election comes down to one issue. reason why the republicans the t correctly prosecute corruption that is the stench of corruption surrounding hillary and people don't like hillary, trust her less. the raeb why they can't prosecute this case is because going to ssue that is decide the outcome november 8,

nominee publican actually sane? they nominate somebody who is crazy and spent three debates and 75 million people confirming the entire democratic of this race, donald trump lacks temperament and president.e he has confirmed that. as much as hillary clinton think vote for , they will corrupt over crazy. corrupt may cost them a job, may pend more money when the tax man come. crazy means they wake up one morning and we're sending submarines because donald trump got troeled on night.r the previous they will never vote for crazy over corrupt, that is the deciding issue in this election today.ks from host: richard, line for iowa, colfax, iowa. good morning. caller: morning. ahead.ou're on, go caller: yeah, my concerns are grassley, his strict

constructive things about the constituti constitution, when they can interpret one part of the constitution or amendment to done, verybody to have sanctity of ut the life for unborn, but after they're born, they strap an ak-47 on them and send them sxout say, go ahead. just don't add up to me, the same way with the gun with the laws.or they don't really have any

ground and then they run on iowa valu values, gee whiz, i know many who lived here all my ife and there is not any iowa values connected to the stance taken in his has senate. -- in the host: thanks, caller. pedroi have my hands up. ak-47 just walked in, i will give him my wallet. i'm married, there is never any money actually in there. teenage daughter likes to say, i can't even. please point me o the tidal way and skurj of toddlers with ak-47s might be so safety locks.em host: to his point, not only in for the potential over to turn

democratic power this fall. after this election. guest: it is likely. i think it is likely there is really only one time in modern political history that we have seen a political party survive a, you know, monstrosity at the op of the ticket, it was 1996, 20 years ago with bob dole. republicans survived that was dole was losing for different reasons than donald trump. lot of people still admire bob politically.t favorables were relatively high. people don't feel the same way donald trump. two reasons they are going to lose are different. ole's nomination didn't split the party as much as donald trump's has and frankly it hreatens to split it irrevokably going forward. you go back ng, if

the 1996 election, two weeks before the election about this juncture, the republicans led by newt gingrich and trent lott, made a clean break and said, if you vote for bill clinton, keep us in control of congress to hold his feet to the fire and the him accountable and american people respond to the message and i make the argument what we saw the next couple years, where we had balanced budget in terms of outlay going budget, if not paying down the debt, what we reform, defensee of marriage act, some of the best conservative government was had since reagan left the second term of bill clinton, working hand in hand with the and lican congress sometimes nose to nose as the case may be. the republican party for reason in this election, has chosen not to do that. hey have chosen not to say, if you vote for hillary clinton, vote for us in order to hold her accountable. it is because the base is more split over the trump nomination than is bob dole. we have seen in the race, republicans when they try donald trump paid a terrible price for this.

go back to the primary with jindahl, ker, bonnie stood up to donald trump early n the primary, they paid a price for it. republican convention and ted cruz epic vote your conscious saw his d you favorables with republicans plummet immediately thereafter. suffering through this, his favorables with republicans are plummeting, as well. know, if the reason republicans are when they challenge trump, are seeing down is because we're in the heat of an election win and ase wants to doesn't want hillary to win or trump is rebranding the republican party in his own image or if it is a little bit of both and i don't think we will get the that until after november 9, once the smoke clears. deace, our guest out of urbandale, iowa. and -- f "the plot,"

caller: good morning. this is a breath of fresh air. i'll be quite honest. announced you were going to be conservative talk adio host, i was wanting to change the channel and go to cnn, or something like that. saying is so in is. face true, it really and the thing about the they ican party is that have so much baggage of that is why a lot of people, like myself, i'm a -- i masters degree, i'm orking right now on my first semester working on a doctoreal program. say all that because a lot of have like myself, we do republica republicans, we could be swayed republican. but we stay away from the

epublican party because of the hypocrisy. let me say real quick. pre-life, an you be okay, and when the baby comes, ou run away from the baby and deny a mother all types of programs? but you are , pro-gun, to me nmy mind, you are pro-death. real quick.his i got a chance to visit iowa in going out on as the obama campaign and so, you contingent of us from illinois, i was in pinefield, we and do knock on doors that thing. the people in iowa were so nice. so, i mean, they would speak. 'm like, are you speaking to me? excuse me for saying this, i thought the white people there you different and nice and validate that. thank you for what you had to say. ost: david, thank you for the call. mr. steve deace, go ahead.

guest: couple things. rather iate the fact than stereotyping me, you heard me out. i think we need to be careful. stereotypes on both sides, obviously are not critical thinking. what you just w, said was i could not believe how much nicer the white people were. and i understand why you would say that, i understand the historical context of that. this is, i think, one of the problems we have as a culture. conservative? i'm a conservative because i want to conserve things. conserve?want to conserve the things i believe history has shown is best for human condition. what is best for the human condition? celebrate life and it are best for the human condition. part of celebrating life is giving people an opportunity to protect themselves. the question really isn't a -- the debate about is not ence in culture

about guns, but about violence. the question really comes down to when the cops show up and someone is doing an armed robbery at the bank, do you want them showing up with sfors or guns? when someone walk intoes your , the n a home invasion police are 15 or twenty minutes way, do you want your elderly grandparent in that situation to defendnseless or able to themselves? is not about guns, but about violence. the question really comes down see, what is happening in many cases on the right, the caller guilty of a e are huge level of hypocrisy. why, more than anything else, both sides are guilty. seen ny times have we video of leonardo dicaprio and is salvation by recycling buddies showing up at carbon emission conference, where they sev 747 and suv's and carbon footprint. don't pee on me and tell me it's raining.

both sides of guilty of hibock rase. i'm concerned what we do as conservative that plays into the stariotypes the last caller had. issue, we operate under flawed premise. e said, i could be -- i'm successful, i'll a college graduate. is, i hear him saying to me i don't want my money wasted. i want the opportunity i've earned to be maximized. he's open to our message. well, the question then becomes, over? we win him we've operated under 1970s and for far too long. majority out t there, if we use a few buzz words, they come rolling out of pews and corporate offices and vote republican. the reality, this is not the same culture. give funny to hear trump the same law and order speech richard nixon gave at the 1968 convention, 50 years ago. richard nixon barely won 50 that, won the

popular vote by a point and the electoral college because he was able to win california. candidate, rd-party george wallace sweep the south. that message trump was run og tis 2016.ayed in 1968 we actually need to try winning people like the last caller over assuming we have majority sentiment in the country we don't have. how do we win them over? solutions. i think, for example, the issue of guns come up, you will hear republican conservatives say, i believe in the second amendment. that's great a lot of people don't know what the constitution don't agree and don't it.rstand post-constitutional society. the conservatives argue, i believe in the second amendment, i think it is a bad idea we have a tragedy where a young person got ahold of daddy's gun and blew their brains out, how tragic. we need to ban guns so we don't

issues like that in the home. someone debates for a living and consulting with cam pab pains all over the country, this i beats value tions necessary any argument, period. it doesn't matter if the values arere bad and good, solutions are going to pun, in lue, pardon the an argument. we need to make our point and in but state t values, our values as arguments. for example, the reason why i good idea to a have the second amendment is, you know, i think that a young woman walking by herself on a college campus, where we're concerned about rape culture and being of that nature discussed and i'm the father of three daughters, two daughters, want my daughter to defend herself. she will need something stronger the mace, particularly if other person is armed. i want my elderly grandparents a rural area and the police can't get there and they are suffering home invasion, to defend themselves. i'm into solutions, not just

having benign values argument. in women in believe government, my mom was 15 years old when she had me, pregnant at 14. i've ate government cheese and it is not that bad. lunches as a kid. we were on food stamps as a kid, there is a difference between and welfare net state. we're $20 trillion in debt, not unfunded liabilities and mandates to keep entitlement flowing for next several days. we cannot afford this. more people on food stamp than population of spain. we cannot afford this. grow s not the way to prosperity and to have college degrees, like the caller just said he had and the doctorate he working on actually become profitable and fruitful in a society. engaging the very economic systems that we defeated during the cold war. implement them here. he reason why i'm a

conservative, i'm trying to conserve things of value. i want to see the caller, that investment he's made in college education and the people around him made in helping him get i want to see it pay off. i don't want to see it abliterated in hypocrisy. host: lan caster, california, with p next, you are on the guest, glen, go ahead. steve. hey, pedro, and this is glen. here is what i think is crazy. to ourterrorists brought state departme corrupt artment and hillary clinton and expect the american people to let that into the white house? we have pandering with the sickning.e you, it's when are american people going country back. we're not behind a roped press is this re -- where woman been lately? she goes out and barely has -- have a press conference,

she provides the questions that her, she is k corrupt, she should have been in long time ago. she lies to mothers and fathers, people she didn't even send anybody to help. it is disgusting what is going with mouth here, just going on, he should be speaking people.he american host: we'll let him respond. mr. steve deace, go ahead. learned, we need to be care bfl saying people who are not the ith us american people. we don't like it when obama does know, my bibleyou says to love your neighbor as yourself. i don't like it when he does it us, i don't like when hillary clinton does it to us. will not do that to other people. that is get even-ism, not justice. he caller's complaints about hillary clinton, i was listening to the democratic counter part

n the last segment and i listened to bernie sanders caller after bernie sanders complaint the exact presidency hillary being corrupt and dishonest we just heard from this caller. something unique to right wing, right nationistic liberal media want to fantasize in their most fevered dreams. the reason this election is reasonably close nominated, publican only reason he is within five points of the polling average is because the democrats nominated the woman who defaced or the washington corrupt symbol, the s the mascot, first chair. many complaints are shared by

mojority of americans, that is why they gave this crazy kon man, donald trump, her friend, hoar voter, her don't or, supporter who supports all of her ideas and defended her post-benghazi, the positions mascot, first chair. many complaints are shared by mojority of americans, that trump had until last year. fraud son they gave this conman trump as much time to make the case as they did, they to vote for her. they believe she is as corrupt outaller you just had point and several bernie sanders callers that called pointed out. it., i wish i could change i did everything i could. i'm not rush limbaugh, i'm not hannity, i don't have the platform they do. i wish we would have had a sane candidate, a candidate that could have prosecuted the issues this caller raised in front of 70 million people in a national have the moral't pecadillos and scams and hane us donald trump is associated with, i wish we didn't have those things. my life wo years of missing time away from home, have somebody o come out of the iowa caucus that could be a candidate. tedd everything i could for cruz for almost a year, so we would not be in this position.

decided they ople wanted ratings and decided they wanted to sell books, other decided they wanted to build a brand, because of that, saying madam president, the next four years. ost: who will you vote for in two week? guest: symbolic vote for me. i won't vote for him, i'm trying to ascertain what symbolism i think sends the message that i send.i want to i'm down to three people at this point. for own to either voting darrell cassel, evan mcmullin or in judge roy moore, who i think is a man's man and kind of are sorely riot we lack nothing this day and age. host: our guest, steve deace, next couple minutes, talk show host out of iowa. richard from fargo, north others.line for richard, you are on with our guest, go ahead. thank you., my question from mr. steve

deace, i went to a couple cruz and necessary your state he has a dedicated group of followers and supporters. i wonders what you think there chance of supporting him n 2020 are after he decided to endorse trump a few weeks ago? personally, when he did reddin, i ed bruce wanted him to poke him or slap him and say, what are you doing on that.t your opinion thank you. host: for people who don't know essentially cruz's body guard and overall pretty guy. guest: you know what, man, i cruz, like a brother, we're good friends. y job is to call balls and strikes, more than make friends. his decision to endorse donald video andn before the other things have come out, i thought it was and said so at the ime and said to him at time and on my show. i think it is the worst

i've cal miscalculation seen somebody who i really like make in recent memory and if it a close e worst, it's econd to rubio doing the gang of eight f. mar tlt co rubio never stands up with schumer and mccain and goes for amnesty, we are never in this position. and is coasting to nomination and probably leading this election by eight to 10 points looking at historic sim blans of victory. i think that is how much i think cruz made a political miscalculation, when he made that endorsement and look at has happened since. in wisconsin says, trump corrupts absolutely and we of this election, the amount of people coming close to o trump's orbit that will come out with more integrity than hey began it, will be a small, miniscule, microscoppettaic,

atomic level, subatomic list. cruz'sitalents and conviction, he is a senator, conservatives or on issues we care about, i would not write him off. task in e's made his 2020 tougher. imagine knows what we know now imploded, fakemp campaign he's running, two weeks before the election he will do d.c., he is spending, not competitive, spend hasn't beeninia, it competitive since hillary put tim kaine on the ticket, why? pedro, challenge the audience at keeblth, mark the tape now. over, is election is somebody will go through the sec disclosure of the trump campaign things.d two one, find the number one expenditure of the trump ampaign was him reimbursing himself and his interests. two, i think they're going to is uncanny alignment f where trump spent money and energy and where trump owns

properties. mark my word, i think you will this election is over. knowing what we know now, can ted cruz, will be sitting in the 19post-76 seat right now if he never endorsed trump, like me and his wanted him to. he made a big poi decision, he price.y the big boy best option, no question. he will not be a shoe in. a will have to win back portion of his base that he disappointed, that he had prior endorsement. host: a few more minutes with our guest. modesto, california, jump in. caller: hi, steve, i'm a big fan of your show. after, you know, trump rose. done with tty much the republican party now. i don't even call it the grand old party anymore. think it is the grand old undead s dead and the corps of the republican party

will walk along for a little while. you think ng what about a new party and what challenge it might face from "conservative media," about 40% you know, , republican leadership, the other peddlers who e just probably prefer democrats in office because they make more money. guest: got you. ost: mr. steve deace, two minutes until end of program. guest: well, when i've been sked in the past about a third party, my answer is, i would like to see what a second party looks like first. is clear, given where we're at, exon stential tipping point on the right. of s ascism, not a healing people working together going forward. the question that remains, the epublican party in current incarnation is no vehicle, no vessel for conservatism. the question then becomes, can

radiccally remade like they did in the '60s and took it party to a ng class fully leftistide logical can essive party, conservatives do that to the republican party? f not, you are going to need another vehicle and another vessel. too many people have corrupted themselves. hannity spent eight minuteos a how, extolling virtue of the integrity of the national enquirer. didn't get into this to be called names, to have my, you know, motivations questioned and mocked in order to efend the virtues of publicati publication, every time i go to talks ermarket counter about aliens anally probing redneck necessary trailer parks. is not why i am doing this. i think there is a lot of people caller, what is

he point, i think this is the exo stential argument, about november 9.tarting host: steve deace, talk show host. find out more about his program website steve deace.com. mr. steve deace, thanks for being part of the program today. >> c-span brings you more debates from key house and senate races. the debate for the maryland senate seat. districtthe iowa third debate. at 10:00, a debate for the florida senate between rubio and murphy. maggieyotte and

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devotedcandidates have resources and we have congressional resources that makeup ofmine the congress and it is competitive. iowa, doescomes to democratic?ican or is that changing? typically, democrats win. 1980's, democrats typically when. there are signs this could obama's approval has

been down. in this campaign, donald trump has been running ahead. him, how aremes to his numbers doing? poll for anot seen a couple of weeks and we have the l thatines register pol shows him leading. , we had seen 5%-7%. the race has shifted in a significant way. showing people a map. can you paint the scene of what

areas in the state do well and the tossups? sure. the geography is simple. big population centers are andmoines, cedar rapids, both of the counties can be swing counties. the other one is the quad cities and davenport. where is donald trump doing well? he is doing well in iowa and it puts pressure in the and donaldng towns trump is focusing on that and

there are indications he is doing well in these communities. >> hillary clinton? focusing on the urban areas and the suburbs. there is a lot of focus on college campuses and we have in andrrogates coming they are spending a lot of time on college campuses. iowa as a about battleground state. thee are questions about campaign. years -- give your thoughts

and share your impressions. talk about millennial voters and young voters. how are the campaigns appealing to them? >> what we have shows trump goes of the voters and it ahead of conventional wisdom and there is an effort to reach millennials. groups onis with college campuses and the try to get them out to the polls. is less of a focus here is

and in other states. womeny is the republican and there is the idea that there are republican voters who and they marco rubio may be willing to sit the election out. , give yourround trumpsions of clinton and and what the machinery is like. getou are seeing a strong out the vote campaign and there are a lot of organizers and volunteers and they are bringing in famous surrogates to hold we have had and

bill clinton and bernie sanders and we will have michelle kwan here later. even voting in the lengthy vote timeframe, we have seen less with the get out the vote efforts. we have seen a couple of women for trump events. they have not done well in getting people into the ballot box.

you are on with jason noble. calling --nk you for taking my call. restore thedo to or constitutional government? the political parties are arrupt and we are having person who is the outsider with heor flaws and, even though i believed person, that he has the pulse of the nation, in terms of getting people to really realize the

country is going down because of weh political parties and need somebody from the outside. not donald trump. what can we do to get somebody who can bring about change and not have to rely on both political parties and the continued corruption that another -- ven if we need to make change. >> it is a big question. processican political

is responsive. if there is the outcry for , itge and moving the system will happen. they are doing things in the public arena to call for this. >> mike? vehicleve a delivery and what i see is more trump science in yards everywhere. early polls a the ways back. theooks like trump took momentum.

i don't like she is just trying to cash in on women voters constantly. i don't think it is right. it looks like trump is more popular. >> the science on the ground are part of the campaign and i think that you are right that trump has been ahead and it will be interesting to see how things there is aer and dynamic that has been in place since the conventions. >> there is a claim of phony polling. does it resonate with iowa

voters? >> among supporters, there is a sense that he is not being treated fairly and i talked to a there is aorters and feeling among supporters that there is a campaign against him by clinton, the media, and others. i do not know if it is shared beyond that. >> how are you? >> thanks. >> yeah. note to prize at the previous caller believes there are more i will notiowa and

mention that the call. -- thatd male the caller what whitwe and male. if all of the collars had voted for single-payer, they would the tax money would pay for single-payer health care. if they would just realize that. pay insurance companies and outrageous amount every month. i had other thoughts. up trump did you bring voters and white and male.

caller: i think it speaks for itself. why don't you make the case? statementthink the speaks for itself. host: what did you take from the statement? strength is in the demographics of the state with iowa being predominantly white -- house of laborhe , for those of you who have never been here. talking about be athletes, racial, and social justice. this intersection of workers and social justice is something that

afl-cio has been doing for decades. diggingreally started deeper into social justice. f workerstalking about with racial justice issues and how unions should protect people of color and the work that we do in the workplace. you know, i think about what is going on in our nation and the conversation around colin kaepernick. this goes far back. i do not know how many of you have been to the african-american smithsonian. they started with the most famous of athletes taking direct action with the olympics.

think about mohammed ali. segregation ine de baseball, football, and basketball. the wnba. time now is not the first that athletes have taken a stance. missouri, newbout jersey, alabama, massachusetts, and states where people are inspired, they are taking me the knee and getting disciplined for this. we are excited to have these us.lemen with i want to welcome benjamin watson, a tight end with the

baltimore ravens. he serves on the executive committee and he is with the dad campaign and he published a book. a are honored to have baltimore raven in the house of labor tonight. friend, joeis my briggs. financialed to manage programs and he became the top counsel. he is also a professor at georgetown and often speaks on politics, sports, and everything in between.

at texas christian university and i would be remiss event that we hosted an around the movie, "concussion." an activistto have to explain why we need to move the agenda forward. please give it up. i am going to give it over to of eightin, author sportsn the politics of anda frequent guest on espn democracy now. show,o hosts his own "edge of sports."

give it up for dave. i'm going to hand it over to him. dave: thanks. discussion can be finished in time for the world series. just so people know, i am rooting for the cubs, not because of great love for the cubs, but there is something about a racist mascot on television that makes my stomach turn. it is disturbing to see it on camera. this is an important discussion to have a run this country. it is particularly important to soe this conversation here, that we can discuss the role of unions and what they can be in this struggle, and if there even is a role at the intersection of

sports, politics, and this important moment in the black lives matter protests. part of civilen rights. you cannot talk about civil rights without jackie robinson and mohammed ali. in the future, we will not be able to speak about lack lives matter without colin kaepernick. he is effective in getting this message out and he is upsetting the right people. anytime your enemies include donald trump, ted cruz, kate know, and rob lowe -- you the intellectual heavyweights -- you are doing something right.

george'se to prince county law both teams, cheerleaders, it is clear that a profoundsonated in way. progressbbs from think has set up an interactive graphic of when protests happen. it is amazing to see how this has spread. one thing that is uniting communities across the country flage gap between what the represents and the actuality of their experiences and they are expressing that within the public sphere of sports. let's talk about social justice unionism in this struggle. i feel like my first question is

something that is probably an argument in this room. there is a camera here and we have to address it. nfl playersif should be described as "workers." do they need unions? when people think of a "worker," the last thing they think of is a well-paid athlete. is a union a contradiction? >> the first thing i usually say is that people go to work like everybody else. they clock in. they have to be there on time and they have to perform and be measured by their manager. the manager looks different, hirt,sweats on and a polo s

but the same things matter to them that matter to everybody else who has to go to work. that is game-changing, in some ways. getting people to understand that a locker room is a work place and that a full all field is a workplace and safety is something we have to take seriously. we have tried to do that in every conversation we have had with the other side. the other thing i would say is that i work for the players union and i am a member as an adjunct professor. worker's rn ights. >> thank you for having me. angry, and ipset,

look at them in a way where my wife says, "stop looking at them i explained that we are workers who have expectations to meet. the nfl is a business. you hear that all the time. "this is a business." when you transfer into the nfl, you understand what that means. you get compensated and there are expectations you must meet. when you are a young player and you are not "just happy to be there," there is an education that comes to understand the business side of football. understanding the business of tootball, all that tha entails, we are all part of the union. this covers everything from the

collective argument agreement, how we interact with management, latest thing, how long we are going to be on the field, what kind of grievances we can file. it is important to have people understand that, but it is hard to explain that to people who only see you for 17 sundays and do andok up to what you say, "i would love to play football." as a father and a husband, i understand that, when i leave y is providing for his family, the same way that you are. you are trying to provide to your family and there are risks involved. achilles.

it is important to have a union. dave: you explain to people that the nflpa is part of the a afl-cio. people who are considered to be a higher salary and you have engineers who worked at boeing and they are unionized. as the brother said, it is about work. color from a people of perspective, there are a lot of nflk folks working in the and we are generally paid less, no matter how much work we do. from an equity perspective, union's make sure that, no matter what the color of your skin is, no matter what gender

you have, there should be wage equity and we need to make sure that our brothers have health and safety. livingare working for a and somebody is making money off of you, you should have a collective argument agreement. -- collective bargaining agreement. dave: it is not even that we are labor. imes two.bor t we are both the cook and the steak. boot, see benjamin in the i understand what he is saying. your first impression, to start the colin kaepernick discussion, t whenas your first though

you heard the explanation about why he was doing it? >> i was taken aback. our default position is to stand for the national anthem. that is what we all want to do. we all know that there is inequality. i wrote a book about this and i have seen what is happening in this street. there is a small sliver of hope that will be dashed. for theaw he sat national anthem, i wanted to know why he did it. if he just did it to disrespect the flag or someone, that is one thing. he said that he did it because he wanted america to be better.

he was not disrespecting veterans or anyone who served the country. he was doing it because he wanted the country to be better. now, is playing right would not be taking a knee. %, and iwith him, 100 support his right to do so. the question is, where do we go from here? how do we need to educate ourselves? what are the conversations we need to have. had a town hall and we talked about colin, policing in neighborhoods, and guys gave experiences that some

of us had never heard before. we do know that people had -- you are able to hear from white players, black players. some of us agree, disagree. it is the next step of opening the conversation. he opened this conversation. if we are courageous enough and we are able to be honest with our feelings without name-calling, we can move forward. that weetes, i think play a vital part in moving this thing forward and having this conversation and eventually making permanent change. >> same question for you, joe. i love the way benjamin spoke about it. my first thought was, this is going to be an interesting week at