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>> c-span brings you more debates this week from key house and governors races. the georgia senate debate andeen johnny isakson libertarian albert buckley. and then, democratic congressman rick nolan and stuart mills. 9:30, a debate for the sixth district in colorado. and at 10:00, the senate debate between pat toomey and democrat kitty mcginty. the new hampshire governor's race. midnight on c-span, the north carolina governors debate , roy cooper,cgrory

on cecil. c-span. daily.istory unfolds two new poll in .attleground states joining us is the director of the institute. >> my pleasure. >> let's talk about new hampshire. --re is donald clinton donald trump and hillary clinton? has fourhough it only electoral votes, it may end up counting if it is close. what we found last time, it was pretty much a tossup. right now, clinton has a nine

point lead. there are several factors contributing to that. not the least of which is a 33 point gender gap. she is carrying women by 25. he is carrying men by eight. she is getting more republicans than he is getting democrats. the republican party is less unified in new hampshire, around strong, then we are seeing in other states. clinton's way in the granite state. >> new hampshire was key to donald trump winning the primary -- the republican nomination. new hampshire of course has, as you know, a very independent strain to it in terms of the voters. right now, alert clinton is not

only getting more democrats than he is getting republicans but also, she has a seven-point advantage among unaffiliated independent voters. the lychee has right now, seven points, is a good lead for her. some national polls are better than that come a some are worse. when push comes to shove, we are talking electoral votes. that is one of the states she needs to put together to ensure he does not get to 270. to 270. it serves as a blocking against trump. there is a major difference also in terms of favorability ratings. we hear both clinton and trump are unpopular. when you look at new hampshire numbers, clinton has a 42% favorability and only 45% negative. donald trump only has only 29%

of likely voters saying they view him positively. 68% view him negatively. this is rough terrain for donald trump. new hampshirep -- is home to one of the most closely watched senate races. your polling showing it is to close to call. >> it has been getting a lot of attention and it will continue up until election day. it is a one point difference. kelly ayotte is running 12 points ahead of what donald trump is getting. she has been able to separate from the trump numbers to what she needs. as a result, she is competitive. 48 for her is better than 36 he is getting.

control of the u.s. senate may go through new hampshire. if it does, how this race and's up will be critical. >> another state you have been in,ing in -- polling nevada. >> our previous poll has it as a one point difference. some of the same things we are saying about new hampshire, the opposite in nevada. the independents, instead of clinton having a seven-point lead, here, trump has a six-point lead. trump is getting more democrats than she is getting republicans. it is the opposite. although the gender gap at 26 points is very wide. this is a state that has got a lot of things going on in it in terms of demographic changes, voters. states thatetter in

have more noncollege white voters. demographic, but this is a state where many of the white voters are not college educated and therefore a group he is writing up a lead on. offsets what she is doing a among latino voters. >> gary johnson, the libertarian nominee, how is he resonating? >> right now, he is getting 2%. a factor. i must say about the so-called minor party candidates, holsters do it two ways. sometimes they offer the names and sometimes they don't. the names, they will get more than if you don't.

in a race that is 43-43, itthing he should give, could get the vote that way. >> finally, nevada, and open seat. the retirement of harry reid. seat.arties eyeing that connor's and is up seven points. as we were talking about, he is also running ahead of donald trump. seven points ahead of his opponent. is where a lot of the votes come from. that is a him area, typically. if this is a close state for president, they are going to be looking at this. as a republican, he is in an

area where he is siphoning off central votes that might have gone to the democrats. this is an interesting dynamic. it is close enough it could go either way. 'se advantage is senator reid seat may go to a republican and wouldn't it be ironic if that was the deciding seat. thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. tonight on c-span, a debate between candidates in iowa's senate race. and then new york's congressional district. later, donald trump campaigns in springfield, ohio. >> bobby kennedy's last words

before he got off the stage work, on to chicago. meet with the mayor. the chief of staff tells me there was a 70% or greater chance his dad would have endorsed bobby kennedy for president during that trip to chicago. austinauthor and former globe reporter discusses his book, bobby kennedy. >> had bobby kennedy beat richard nixon the way i think he would have, america would have been a different place. some of the issues we are revisiting of racial tensions and international discord might be a little bit to friend if we had tried to address them 50 years ago. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. >> this year i was senator chuck senator chuckwa

grassley is running against patty judge. they met for a debate. this is one hour. evening and welcome to the campus. we are proud to bring you today between charles grassley and patty judge. we are one of three television that are covering this. tonight, we hope questions

will help make you an informed decision on november 8. >> we would like to ask the audience through a crane from cheering during the debate. >> the only exception, right now. as we welcome them to our stage. [applause] lets meet the candidates. threerles presley is a

term senator. before that, he served in the iowa house of representatives. >> patty judge is the former lieutenant governor. iowalso served in the senate. >> it is time to hear from each of them. seconds. have 90 we flipped a coin to see who would go first. patty judge.s to ms. judge: i want to thank you for hosting us. also the college for their participation. it is great to have this opportunity. i want to thank the audience and those watching us around the state. to talkan opportunity

about issues that are important minds of people, not just in iowa but across the country. frustration, is a gridlock. needs to change. in order for that to change, i believe we are going to need to have new leadership. the obstruction of the supreme court is unprecedented. be finding ways to move forward. we need to be working on the economy. we need to talk about loan debt. making sure young professionals are not buried under debt. there are issues up and down that are not being discussed.

i will move to work this for you again. >> there is a problem with our timeclock. you have the time you need for your opening statement. senator grassley: thank you to the sponsors of this debate. say, condolences for the loss of your father. fory day, my job is to work iowans. if they do not work for iowans, no one else well. i think of three approaches. one, jobs like the wind energy tax credit. export related jobs. secondly, taxpayers need

accountability. act passed that brought 48 nine dollars back to the treasury. national security is the number one responsibility of the federal government. also, economic security. the policies have to be supplemented with progrowth policies. that is what i have been doing. continue them if i am elected and i would very much appreciate your vote. >> now questions from your panel. each candidate will have one minute. ask anelists may

follow-up. the first question tonight, answered by chuck grassley. it focuses on the nomination of judge garland. you have opposed convening confirmation hearings. you said you would consider after a lame session. why soft in your stance? >> i will not change my position that the people ought to have a voice and the new president will make the next appointment, as far as i am concerned. the reason we did not have a hearing, and 52 other senators agreeing with that, we have taken the position that is similar to what democratic senators have taken when there has been republican presidents, three different ones. in thent that they made,

last year of a presidential then,if a vacancy happens you give the people a choice and they go ahead and let the new president make it. you can't have one rule for presidents and another for republicans. we are being consistent. >> let's be specific or the other senators, if they were to change their mind and favor confirmation hearings, would you consider it? if a majorityey: of the senate said they were going to move ahead, a chairman serves at the majority of the senate of the united states. i would follow the will of the majority of the senate. you, on theion to confirmation hearings for judge garland. you have advocated for them. i want to take you to june of

1992. joe biden talked hypothetically about postponing those hearings on any supreme court vacancy, should there be one, until after the election. given your at the ski for hearings, do you believe the vice president of the united states, one of the leaders of your party, was wrong twice six years ago? i believe we now have historyest time in the of this country between a nomination and a hearing. that is unprecedented. i believe it is hampering the court. court that is not able to function as it was designed by the constitution read we have n. disrupted the balance of power. thatver joe biden said, if is in fact his view, that is not my view. the duty of the judiciary

committee is to have a hearing. my opponent is refusing to do that. it should be done and i am troubled by this answer about a lame-duck session. he is leaving himself some wiggle room so they can have a hearing for judge garland between the time the election is over and hillary clinton takes office. >> you have 30 seconds to respond. senator grassley: 1968, there was a vacancy. the democratic senate decided vacancy.ll the mix and was elected and appointed two new people. in 2011, and even gave a speechreid

where he said there is nothing in the constitution that says the senate has to move ahead. that is the checks and balances of our government. >> what is your response? thisudge: my response is is wrong. this is obstruction of the process. we have a supreme court that is unable to function. this is exactly what is wrong with washington. this is why people are angry. ,nstead of getting to work doing what should be done, they are playing political games in washington dc and it has to stop. senator grassley: would you give me five seconds? with thenothing wrong checks and balances in the constitution. ident nominates, the senate advises and consents or does not consent. based on what senator reid said.

15. will give you the same ms. judge: we can talk about what somebody said. the truth of the matter is, we have not had a optioning court for months. not have a functioning court for many more months. that is wrong. that is political game, whether it is being played by the republicans or the democrats, it is wrong and it needs to stop. >> the next question will focus on the affordable care act. you recently admitted health insurance and other costs remain extremely on affordable despite having -- extremely una ffordable. ms. judge: i think the affordable care act was clearly a step forward. we are providing health insurance for millions of people that did not have it before.

that is good. we do need to make some changes to the act. we do not need to do what my opponent has tried to do several times and that is to get the act repealed. replace it with what, i don't know, because there has never been an alternative put forward. we do need to look at that. we need to be finding a way to control the rising cost of premiums. finding a way to control the cost of prescription drugs. purpose.left out on again, my opponent was part of that decision. people have been paying a price in this country ever sense for high cost prescription drugs. i believe we can make this act work and this country will be better because of that. >> can you elaborate on any specific changes you would recommend? ms. judge: we need to examine

closely what is driving insurance costs and then make decisions on how we could curb that. this was part of the reason we instituted the affordable care act, is because insurance premiums kept rising. people were not able to get coverage. they were also being thrown off insurance coverage when they had a serious only this. we took steps to fix that. we are not perfect yet but we can do that. we can find ways to curb costs. >> that is your time, thank you. >> we continue to fight to repeal obamacare? senator grassley: it is a failure. all you have to look at 13 counties of iowa which are going to have one choice for the exchange. just one choice. are going upmiums

28%. over the next 10 years, they are projected to go up 61% on top of that. lied to about obama care. remember, your premiums were supposed to go down 2500? remember, if you like your doctor, you can keep them? millions have had to change their doctors. millions of people have had to change their insurance. >> that is your time. i don't think thate the more than one million people that have insurance today, the young professionals who have not yet established themselves and have insurance of their own now allowed to stay on their parents' policies would call this a failure. this is a big step forward.

it is not perfected. we need to polish it. quit playing games and find a way to make this work. senator grassley: can i speak about small businesses? a lot of small businesses wanted to give their people money to buy insurance. obamacare ruled that out. if you violate that law, you are day for pay $200 every every employee that violates that. i have put in legislation to repeal that part of obamacare. we should encourage as many small businesses that want to help their people get insurance anyway to get it. lets talk ethanol and the renewable fuels standards. congress approved ethanol fuel mandates in 2005 for iowans.

it means jobs and economic growth, not just replacing foreign oil with domestic plant taste fuel. now in congress, some say the mandates should be faced out. where do you stand? i fullygrassley: support the renewable fuel standard and the tax credits that go with ethanol and aodiesel until they get to be mature industry. the renewable fuel standard is law until 2022. i believe we have the votes in the senate to make sure that is not repealed, but we have a big problem with the epa wanting to cut down on the amount that is supposed to be done. they don't have the authority to do it, but this administration that said they were for ethanol have let them get away with it. that is a big victory for big

oil. big oil can't win in congress but they can win in this obama administration. my opponent seems to like everything that epa does. ruining it by not having it mixed with petroleum as it should be. you are not going to get a lot of argument between senator pressley and i on the renewable fuel standard -- senator grassley and i on the renewable fuel standard. ethanol is homegrown and we are proud of it. we need that fuel standard in place to make things work until the industry can mature. while people have criticized this, it is not as significant as the subsidies that big oil has received four

years and years which senator grassley has supported. >> a response? senator grassley: it is a big job to defend ethanol in washington dc because there are many people ignorant of it. people from the midwest fight hard against epa. you can get 10 republicans and democrats to meet with the chief of staff of president obama, which we have had to do to get ahead of epa. the reason there is a lot of ignorance is because so many people in washington dc eethanol."it " "ewe are done with ethanol, ethanol." the next question, much of the

national security policy is focused on two areas. national security and threats on the border. tackling al qaeda. when it comes to national security, should it be on home, abroad or both? ms. judge: that is a big question for a minute. >> we can give you all the time you need. ms. judge: you are correct. i was the homeland security officer for the state of iowa for four years. during that time, i was briefed regularly on threats, both to us here in the u.s. and overseas and there is a threat both places. it has to be, really has to be addressed both places. there is lots of activity in the middle east and we are all reading about that.

i think the obama administration is doing a good job of pushing back on the threat of isis in the middle east. is good surveillance going on here in the united states. we have to be constantly vigilant. there is probably nothing more important than making sure our families are safe here in united states. my opponentsley: said before the sioux city newspaper, the board of editors or whatever you call it, we were containing isis. it is in 36 countries. you only heard of the acronym isis for a few years. it is very dangerous. they want to kill us. we have to make sure they do not use a refugee program to bring people in under the umbrella of refugees.

we want to take refugees but we've got to make sure our intelligence community and fbi are adequately vetting. not move ahead until they say they can be vetted. >> you have 30 seconds for rebuttal, if you would like. ms. judge: this country and particularly the state of iowa has been welcoming, a haven for refugees going back to the time from brought in the people vietnam. we brought in bosnians. now, we have people in syria that are in danger of their lives. waylieve we need to find a that they can be brought here just as other were refugees have been brought here. we do have excellent surveillance. we do have a vetting process which is extremely vigorous. >> that is your time.

senator grassley: we welcome refugees just like we welcome one million immigrants who come here illegally. we just want to make sure we do not have refugees coming here to kill us. >> we will address immigration in a few moments. i want to follow up, in respect to senator grassley's comment isis's in 36 countries. there is a u.s. act coalition of iraqi and kurdish forces trying ul retake modal in iraq -- mos in iraq. i would like to know what you think about that action taken by the u.s. military. thejudge: regarding movement to retake the city mosul from isis, this is appropriate. it is being led by iraqi forces. we do have advisers in there.

it is really quite a coalition. that is pushing back and read takingity -- rea that city. the way we should operate, give support to our allies to make sure the threat of isis is contained and eradicated. senator grassley: considering the situation that the president put us in by withdrawing troops in 2011, leaving a vacuum that isis filled, i think what we are doing is about the best we can do. has all thet information. it doesn't seem likely have a strategy. we need our constitutional commander in chief who is the president with that responsibility to make sure he has a strategy. we need a strategy. our next question is about

immigration. senator grassley, we will start with you. reform the effort to visa program to better protect americans who are often forced out of their jobs in place of less skilled foreign workers. does this prevent legal immigrants from calling iowa home and offering -- definitelyssley: not. it is a very legitimate program, set up in 1990. we did not have enough people educated in this country to do professional jobs, they can be brought in. the problem is a lot of havenies bring people in, havetrain their workers -- their workers train them, and then fire their workers. sohave to reform the system we make sure there is a good

toth effort of corporations find first workers in this country. if they can't, use the program. if we can get that sort of like senator durbin and i are working on, we will be more if theyven are needed, and only if they are needed, and do other things that will help the program worked the way it is supposed to. people ing to bring and have your workers train them and then fire american workers. >> you have said it is foolish to even think about a mass deportation of all those people living in the u.s.. do you endorse a pathway to citizenship? what i endorse is a comprehensive immigration reform bill.

there was a bill that was passed two years ago. it is sitting in the house of representatives. the republicans have refused to ill up.at b my opponent voted against it in the senate to read it gives us a path to get people who are working in our country as undocumented workers documented. to get them out of the shadows. to get them on the tax rolls. we need to get this done. there is no reason not to do it. if there are portions of the bill we are not in agreement about, we have to have that discussion again once more. this is the obstruction, the deliberate obstruction, that is so frustrating to us. it has to stop. yes, i votedley: against it because it did not secure the border.

we talk about securing the border as if it is just a mexico problem. it is not just a mexico problem. airports,oblem at our exit and entry. we need a biometric system to track people coming and going. half of the people are here overstaying the visas, not just crossing the border without papers. we also need interior enforcement. bottom line, we need to enforce the laws. ms. judge: there are provisions in this bill for border security. grassley ifsenator in fact it was not adequate or lacking in some way, why is there not an attempt to perfect the bill? why can't we bring it up, have a decision, have a discussion and come to consensus on a way that we can deal with this problem?

this growing problem of immigration in our country? >> i would like to ask a follow-up question. you talked about bringing people from out of the shadows. the green card process is very lengthy. what about people who have done it legally from day one? what is your message to them? message to them is thank you. we cannot ignore the fact that we have millions of people in our country that are not documented. they are working here. they came here because they knew they had a job. ers needtheir employ to be held somewhat responsible as well. if we need them as a workforce and our state, we need to find a way to get them the proper documentation so they are working here legally and that is very different than being a

resident and eventually being a citizen. does yourassley: question raised the issue of people who came here legally, being resentful for people who came here without papers? very definitely. in the last year or two, i have not heard as much about immigration in 2013 and 2014 when it came up at practically every one of my town meetings i have around iowa. i did since a real resentment from people that stayed in line in their own country for a long time because we have quotas. they have to wait their turn. and they come here and they see other people here that violated our laws, crossing the borders without papers. if you check your clocks, we have hit the halfway mark.

straightaway, any political that can be at best described as contentious, we will tackle bipartisanship. welcome back to the iowa u.s. senate debate, live from the campus of morningside college in sioux city. the next is the topic of the farm bill. >> my grandfather was a norwegian farmer, and farming is so important to the state of iowa. do you think the federal government should provide farmers with a cost-sharing safety net program that manages risk and catastrophic disaster? have had some

pretty good times in agriculture for the last two years. crop prices have been good, livestock prices have been good. this issue of the farm safety net has not been one people have given a lot of thought. however, things are not as robust as they were. we will have to address what sort of safety net is appropriate. we know we now have a crop insurance safety net in place. we really haven't had to test that out too much. and i believe whatever we do, we have got to make certain we got a strong safety net under family farmers. people that actually live on our farms in iowa. we need to protect them. we cannot lose another generation of farmers and iowa. we have to keep them there.

of the things i believe i want to do first in washington. >> how do we protect our farmers? senator grassley: we should have a safety net and the crop insurance is what you are talking about. that is the way it should be done. plan ahead. we have other disasters like you can have in agriculture. you can have an earthquake. we help, 100% disaster relief. you can have a hurricane. 100% disaster relief. you can have floods, and you help them. it is 100% disaster. theyit comes to farmers, plan ahead. 95% of them in iowa. they pay for the crop insurance along with the taxpayers. it is good for the taxpayers, because if we did not have it, it would be 100 percent disaster relief like prior to 1990.

>> any additional comments? just have to be very certain it works well. crop isis are good, corn was $3.13 today. that is on the edge of being a disaster for our farmers. as i said before, we have to certain those iowa family farmers, whether through this market -- >> final comments? senator grassley: too often, people don't stop to think about everything a farmer goes through. they pay what they charge you for input. if you delivered and you wanted to sell it, you will take what they will give you. things, even of international politics and war.

grain embargoes. not that the former has control over these. they ought to be able to have the crop insurance program they contribute to. >> would you support tax reform that lowers effective tax rates for farmers? i think, as we talk about tax reform, we really have to talk about that broadly. think it would be wise to single out a particular industry. including farming. at tax reform. we need to be looking at making it more fair, more equitable for all of us. working families, small businesses. we need to close loopholes at the top that are preventing large multibillion dollar corporations from paying any taxes whatsoever.

we need to close loopholes to make certain the wealthiest people in this country are in fact paying taxes. when we have a presidential candidate that is openly bragging about not paying taxes, it is very concerning. taxes.need to pay we enjoy living in this country but we went those taxes to be fair and equitable across the board. from those of us in the lower economic group to those of us, the wealthy. >> your view on comprehensive tax reform. senator grassley: i think the estate tax should be done away with. that is passing on the farm from one to another. you cannot have tax reform just for farmers. you have to have it for people across the board. if my opponent is talking about thatthe people, farmers

have had big inflation in their we got hillary clinton wanting to put a 65% tax rate on it. you also want them to reduce the exemption from $5 million down to $3.5 million. farmersgoing to cause to split up their operations and you will not have a farming operation. that would be the worst thing to get young people into farming. ms. judge: i agree with hillary clinton on most issues. i'm sure that doesn't surprise anyone too much. estate tax andf the plan she has put forward, i do not agree with. i want to be very clear about that. i think it is unfair to farmers. i have been secretary of agriculture in the state read i understand a bit about land

prices and actuation, the fact that you may be wealthy one day youit broke the next day if are in agriculture. the estate tax, i would not ever hillary's estate tax plan. senator grassley: i don't the guy need to say anymore. it would just kill young people getting into farming. really, it would not be taxation, it would be confiscation. question focuses on qualifications for office. you both have lengthy political resumes. the judge, you served in iowa senate. senator grassley, how do you avoid stagnancy or complacency in washington dc after four decades? washington isey:

an island surrounded by reality. get out of there. i come home every weekend. in a row, i have gone to every county to have at least one meeting in every county. polk county, one example. keep in touch with people. apresenting government is two-way street. i am one half of that process. she was a state senator, she was one half read the constituents are the other half. you have to have dialogue. i make sure i am on top of things by having dialogue with my constituents so i can better represent them in washington dc. one thing to do is, when you are campaigning, don't overpromise. when you do promise something, carry it out. and always tell the truth because then you don't have to worry about what you told somebody else.

>> you have 18 years in elected office, at the state level. how do you expect to bring a different approach to government in washington? ms. judge: i went to the state senate with zero experience in the state senate. i was able to work across party lines. did that very well. we were able to move a lot of important issues. i did work as a mediator for a number of years and i think that is a skill that is useful ringing people to consensus. outally would like to point when my opponent talks about the need to get out of there, in washington, after having been there for 42 years, it is almost humorous. 99 townneed to have hall meetings to know what is going on in iowa. i live here. i am here. i have lived here my entire life.

try to serve the people of this state to the best of my ability. i believe washington does change people. -- money, the power that senator grassley: all these meetings, making the process of government work is something that is wrong about washington. that is kind of what i heard. think all you have to do is ask the people who know me and say that chuckd grassley is the same chuck

grassley that went to the senate in 1980. suggestou mean to coming home is a bad thing? ms. judge: i think it is great he comes home. i just think it is strange he talks about the need to get out of washington and yet he has come back year after year and become a fixture in washington. being a big about deal in washington. there is a difference between living and working in washington for over 40 years. living and working in iowa for that same time. a follow-up, can you deny senator grassley has influence? how do you plan to make gains with no seniority? iowa? you plan to benefit

ms. judge: when the seniority is used for the benefit of your political party instead of the benefit of working families and isa, that seniority really not of great value. this is what we have seen happen. deliberateeen obstruction. we have already talked about the issue of the supreme court. we have also talked about the immigration bill and many other issues that are being obstructed right now. the people know that and want to see progress. if you haven't been able to make the progress that needs to be made, it is time to come home and have someone else give it a try. why should people send you back to the senate? senator grassley: my friends say

i don't smile enough. that makes me smile. to get things done in washington, you have to work across party lines. ce i have been chairman of the judiciary committee, 30 bills all bipartisan. byof them have been signed democratic president to read i am sponsoring criminals justice reform with a democratic whip. i have had discussions with president obama on the bill he supports. if you don't want to take my word for it, go to the georgetown university study released maybe six months ago. they studied all 100 senators. top five.in the say getting things done has to be done in a bipartisan way, i have proved it.

done.n get things 13 bills by a democratic president says it all. >> you appear to be itching for 30 seconds. i would just say the work load in the senate in the last year or two has been the lightest in years and years, probably since the eisenhower years. let's get back to work. let's talk about moving the economy. student loan debt, climate change. clean air and clean water. we need to be talking about the issues that are important to people today. they are not being addressed. senator grassley: can i answer about the workload? >> you have 30 seconds. reidor grassley: senator basically shut down the united states senate. we had 18 role calls on amendments.

18 role calls on amendments. even democrats could not offer amendments. we said if we took over the andte, we will make it work perform. we had many more roll amendments. the first thing we called was bill toipeline create 20,000 jobs. the president vetoes and we could not override the veto. there were other things we put on the president's desk that read would never have let go there. candidates promise to work across party lines. how can you reassure iowans you will keep this promise if elected? senator grassley: i just dated one record. what i said into

my opening statement. $48 billion back in the federal treasury. in 2006, helping on medicaid for middle income people with high children's care. special needs kids. senator kennedy and i got the family opportunity act passed. congress had exempted itself from lots of legislation from 1938 to 1995. a senator from connecticut, a thecrat and i got congressional accountability act so those laws cover us now. billd of medicare was a a democratr baucus, from montana and i worked on so senior citizens could get prescription drugs because they had never had it under medicare. those are just some of the

pieces of legislation i have worked across party lines to do real things to help real people were abide by a principal that congress is not different than the rest of the people. >> how will you reassure iowans you will keep that promise? ms. judge: i believe that we need to be having discussion, whether we all agree or we do not is immaterial. you have to be willing to listen. you have to appreciate your s point of view. when you understand their point of view, start looking for common ground. where you can meet and start moving forward. we have heard quoting a lot of history. from the senate. i am less concerned about history than i am about the

issues on the minds of violence ns today.of iowa issues of getting the economy going. jobs.ng making education affordable. prescription drug costs. the environment, climate change. these are issues we are going to have to talk about and we will have to talk about them in a bipartisan way or else we will not take progress. senator grassley: issues you folks have brought appear are the same that, up in my -- that sessions. my q&a you are asking about the issues constituents say they are interested in and i don't think my opponent should say they are not being discussed. are they being discussed on the floor of the

senate? i know they are being discussed in iowa. i live here. i have been on this campaign since last march, talking to people just as you have and i hear the same things you do. i also hear a whole lot of frustration about the fact that they are not being discussed. washington is broken. washington is gridlocked. if we passed the highway bill, it could have been extended the first year of the obama administration, but it wasn't. we did away with no child left behind, passed a new education bill. that has been reauthorized year after year after year. things like that. i should not take up all your time to go through a long list of things, but senate has produced -- but this senate has produced. >> that will do it for our

questions from our panel. when we return, we get our closing statements. >> we have now come to the conclusion of our iowa u.s. senate debate. it is time for closing statements. each candidate will get two minutes for their closing statement. it will happen in the same order as the opening statements. the first closing statement tonight comes from patty judge. you have two minutes. ms. judge: thank you very much. this time has flown by. i've enjoyed having the opportunity to answer your westerns. i have enjoyed having the opportunity to have a discussion with senator grassley also. i think you heard very clearly to points of view -- two points of view that we have been able to articulate, and i think the is that chuck

grassley in 42 years has not really changed washington. washington probably has changed him. today, we see gridlocked and obstruction. we see great unhappiness, working families across this needsy know that there are not being addressed, and the need -- we need to make that work. talking about economic opportunity in our country. we went through a rough recession. from that, butng not as vigorously as we would like. investing in infrastructure in the country, as a way to create good jobs. we need to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour over the next six years and start pumping money back into the economy. we need to get student loan debt under control. we need to let students start refinancing those debts and stretching the terms so that they can take art in our economy just as we have had that

opportunity. we need to be talking about social security and making certain that it is there for people as they retire. they was promised when began their working careers. we need to be talking about the environment and climate change. we cannot deny it. science is real, climate change is real, and we have to take action. i want to thank you all. this has been a spirited a spiritedn and campaign. again, i am very proud to stand before you. i ask for your vote. as we say good night, i want to also say god bless iowa and god bless the united states of america. >> thank you. senator grassley, you have two minutes. sen. grassley: thank you, you, viewers,ank thank you, audience. you have said many times tonight -- you have heard me say many fors tonight about our work

islands. that is my work. you also heard a lot from my opponent. i think you heard a that represents an agreement with the failed policies of the last years, whether it is obamacare that she likes, whether it is epa regulations, she likes, or u.s.er it is waters of the , something that will be a real problem for farmers if it finally goes through. i work for iowans, as i told you. senators from their individual states have to work for their constituents. let me repeat in three different ways. one, creating jobs. i talked about wind energy, because i never knew it would be the big thing that turned out to be when i got it passed in 1992, or exports and good export policy, or when i passed the false claims act, bringing in $48 billion to make sure taxpayers money is responsibly handled.

i did not know that would bring in $48 billion, but it has really and the third but it really -- has. and the third responsibility, making sure you are safe. i have a responsibility to protect you as much as i can isis terrorists, whether it is over there or right here, domestically. remember, the fbi director said they are watching 900 people in the united states and at least one in every state. and finally, economic program that will grow, not like the last eight years where everything has been stagnant. we need to create jobs. that's what i've done in my will continue these three things if i am reelected. finally, i ask you for your vote. >> thank you, senator. unfortunately, that is our time.

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congressional district. seat has changed hands every two years since 2008. it is currently held by republican congressman john katko. is kathyhallenger deacon. -- kathleen deacon. -- colleen deacon. each candidate gets a minute for an opening statement at a minute for a closing statement. in between, we will be asking questions about local and national issues. those are limited to one minute. rebuttals are limited to 45 seconds. re-rebuttals will be allowed at the discretion of moderators, limited to 30 seconds. started.get if the order of opening statements was chosen randomly earlier. first is calling deacon. i appreciate the opportunity to share more about myself and campaign. for the last three years, i worked interesting gillibrand's office, so i have really been buildingp my sleeves,

relationships, solving problems, and fighting hard for the people of this district for a long time. syracuse.in i was born and raised in the city. after i graduated from college, i had a son who did not have the option of health care. i had to quit my job a few days before he was born, so i know how hard it is for emily's who are struggling. voice at the be a table where there has not been won. i want to go to congress to protect social security and medicare. i want to go to congress to fight hard for the middle class. nobody is going to work harder than me. nobody is going to work -- be stronger than me, and no one will be a representative -- a better representative to the 24th district and i am. -- than i am. >> thank you, congressman katko. : i left myive katko job to run for congress.

i was sick and tired of partisan gridlock that seemed to grip that institution. i wanted to be part of the solution, not the problem. over the last two years, that's exactly what i did. i have become one of the most independent members and all of congress. andssed more than 15 bills had six of them signed into law by a democratic president. that's more bills passed the enemy freshman in his term. i worked on many major issues in new york. the howard academic -- epidemic. i worked on national security issues and rolling back the common core mandate. there are so many issues i want to address, and with your vote i hope i can do that. i look forward to the discussion. >> let's head to questions. our first question is for mr. deacon. like many other cities, syracuse has had black lives matter

protests and other peaceful demonstrations to call for police reforms. do you think changes in policing think the, and do you black lives matter movement is helping those reform efforts? ms. deacon: as the mother of a 13-year-old son, i can't imagine what it is like for so many parents to worry about her child going to a store or writing in a car with friends. i also can't imagine what it's put on thee my son uniform everyday and served in the line of duty. it must be hard for parents to understand that this is a real situation. we can't just retreat to our corners and stand by our thoughts. a have to come together as community and work together to address this issue for good. we need to have a conversation that includes everybody, and really is an open dialogue. we need to do more on the federal level to provide resources so that we can help our police officers, provide them with the training they

need, give them resources to hire new people so they can learn about the communities they are policing. i think a discussion is needed so we can address this moving forward. nick: should those resources include the cameras more by police officers -- body cameras warm by police officers? ms. deacon: absolutely. we need to provide body cameras for our police officers and hire more officers. anything we can do, i am very supportive of. the last 16 years before i went to congress, i worked in syracuse. i ran the circus gang violence task force. i had a birds eye view of the problems that plague our city. it up like every urban area across the country. officers whoty and can't do their jobs. are there things officers can do better? of course. i know that police officers have

job training. we need to continue to do that. one of the things we need to do for sure, and i agree with ms. deacon, we need to have body cameras for all officers. pilot program for the syracuse police department to get body cameras. i think body cameras might solve a lot of the narrative. as far as black lives matter goes, to the extent that they are raising issues about poverty and law enforcement, i guess that's ok. i want to make sure they -- make sure there is respect for law enforcement. it's not just black lives matter. all lives matter. police officers lives matter as to the lives of the citizens. you're a former federal prosecutor, but there have been questions about whether local prosecutors are best equipped to handle cases when police are involved in the depths of unarmed civilians. do you believe prosecutors at the local level should be handling those questions? rep. katko: i believe it is a case-by-case basis. if it is a federal jurisdiction, they should get with the local

prosecutors. i routinely work with local prosecutors on the cases i have worked on, and we always decide for the good of the case and jurisdiction where the case should go. i think it depends on the case-by-case matter. geoff: ongoing unrest in the middle east, particularly in the civil war, has given opportunity for terrorist organizations such as the islamic state group to gain strength. what more should the obama administration be doing to defeat isis? ms. deacon: we have to make sure we are keeping america safe area that is our number one priority. we need to work with our allies on the ground, work with our coalition partners, make sure they have the tools and training they need to be able to not only contain, but eliminate the threat suffices. under the obama administration, there have been 40,000 airstrikes. we have been able to reclaim 45% of the land that isis has taken

over. and we have been able to take out the number one online recruiter to join their terrorist organization. we have to continue to do more. we have to work with our partners on the ground, work with iraqi security forces and the kurds to make sure they have everything they need so we can support them to finally eliminate isis for good. rep. katko: here's a fact. the obama administration was one of the root causes of isis's rise all over the middle east. in 2000 when we pulled out of iraq, it left a vacuum that allowed isis to rise up, take all of the territory. obama has been a disaster on this issue, and so has hillary clinton, because she was secretary of state at the time. --ave a pointed a tax pours appointed a tax forced to deal with this issue -- task force to deal with this issue. of 50 recommendations, more than half have become law.

in addition to that, i agree the we need to increase bounties in the middle east. we need to work with our partners. we need to get our partners to trust us again, and we need to training their forces to do a better job than they are doing now. are there any circumstances in which you would favorite employing a significant number of ground troops to syria? rep. katko: not unless generals told us that is exactly what we need. i was over there are two years ago myself in baghdad, and i spoke to the actual generals in iraq, and i saw flames in the smoke -- plumes of smoke in the distance. they told me what they need is troops to train iraqi forces to do it themselves. we are never going to fix the problem in the middle east by going over there and intervening. we need to support them like we are doing now. the more we support them, the better. i have not heard one general say

we need a full-fledged invasion of u.s. forces. as well,ersonal to me because i have a 20-year-old son serving in the army right now as a junior navy seal. i take that very seriously. before we have boots on the ground, we need to exhaust are other options. ms. deacon, is there a situation in which you would support combat troops in syria? ms. deacon: boots on the ground is the last solution. my father is a veteran. my two uncles were in vietnam. i saw firsthand what these wars due to families. we can't do this with this current situation. i would not be supportive of anything unless it was the last possible option that we had on the table. theink we should knock on door before we can get in. that's where i stand. i think america can do everything we can to work with our allies, work with our generals, get the intelligence

we need, and continue to solve this problem before we put anybody in harms way. there are fbi said active isis related investigations in all 50 states. in new york state alone, 18 individuals have been charged with isis related offenses. shouldsman katko, how it federal officials address that specific security challenge? rep. katko: i'm glad you addressed that. i was head of the foreign fighter task force. as a freshman, i was assigned ahead of the task force, and i had four republicans and three democrats working with me in a bipartisan matter. we should be working with local and state counterparts, along with the federal joint terrorist task forces. there is more we can do to get them to work together and have a more seamless transition of the information. what's not forget, this is the

seminal threat of our time. during this campaign, i have made that an issue with my opponent, because she seems to not have made it a priority during the course of her campaign. if you go to her website right now, there is still nothing on this issue. that is something the american people should take into consideration when deciding who they want to work for them in congress area -- congress. isis is the most existential threat today. we are at the highest threat level we have been that since 9/11. on christmas -- on new year's eve in rochester, a product -- a plot was disrupted. i am very proud of what we have done. ms. deacon, he invoked your name. do you care to respond. ms. deacon: i find it funny that john katko says i have not made this a priority, because he deceptively edited a tape of me talking about isis since december of 2014. i have been talking about this

since 2014, so it is foolish to say i don't make this a priority. question, to your john katko basically just said nothing about keeping america safe. i think we should enact the know by no-fly legislation, which congressman katko does not support. it is a bipartisan piece of legislation that means if you are on the no-fly list, you should not be able to purchase a gun. i think it is commonsense policy that we could enact right now to keep americans safe. we canmportant that implement everything we can to make sure we are doing everything we can to help terrorists not infiltrate our communities and not have situations that could occur on our soil. geoff: corpsman katko, just to respond to that? i amkatko: to suggest light on gun crime is preposterous. i drafted a bill about no-fly, no by six months before orlando. go ask the 14 people that are violent criminals who are suffering mandatory sentences that i have prosecuted.

or go ask the 100 city gang defendants in the city of syracuse. of violent crime prosecution. i have been committed by republican and democratic presidents for my efforts, so it is preposterous to think i would -- offavor of keeping putting guns in the hands of terrorists. bill would you vote for a that would restrict people who are on that terror watch list from obtaining a firearm? rep. katko: like i just said, i authored one of the bills. there is a difference between the two. it is a 72 hour waiting period, but the person applies for a gun who is not on the terrorist watch list, they cannot get the gun. let's keep in mind kennedy was on a no-fly list. there are thousands upon thousands of americans that are mistakenly on a no-fly list. mine just assures that we make sure they've got the right guide -- the right guy.

for me just say i do not support no-fly no by, it is preposterous. ms. deacon: you said to yourself that you are less than 1000 u.s. citizens on the no-fly list. that you would rather protect foreigners,f 80,000 but you want them to be in the purchase a gun? that makes no sense. rep. katko: absolutely not. i have been protecting law-abiding citizens who are accused of being a terrorist. it happens everyday. i know from my time, from the briefings i get on a daily basis. that is a problem we are trying to fix. nick: we will have to move on, unfortunately. congressman katko, new yorkers have seen an increase in their bills, partially because the state is looking to increase nuclear power. should taxpayers be bearing responsibility for shoring up nuclear power in new york?

rep. katko: it is a cost-benefit analysis. it the situation, yes. just hundreds of jobs being saved, there are thousands. my district has the second-largest number of nuclear power plants of any district in the country. if you do the math, those couple of thousand jobs generate over $200 million a year in salary alone. the does not include hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue of spinoff jobs related to it. industry ofar apparatus in new york state, you would have a huge problem and it would cause the next financial increase in rates in new york state. nuclear power in for putting, not only does it ensure jobs are protected, but it also ensures that we have clean energy. we want to get clean energy. we want to leave this environment a better place than our parents did. we have to understand that until

-- it's 100% carbon free emissions, and that's what we need to think about. say tohat do you businesses that are looking to potentially moved to new york, look at what their utility bills might be, and just say it is too expensive to move. co -- move here? rep. katko: that is a legitimate concern, but there is a time of thought in the new york state government as well. before we pass any bill now, we always make sure we find some place to pay for it. we should do the same in new york state. lord knows we have bloated bureaucracy in new york state area -- in new york state. it can put thousands of people out of jobs across the country. it does not seem like a good idea. we deacon: i don't think should be putting taxes and burdens on the backs of middle-class families or our businesses. the senator'sin office, there was discussion about how one of our power

companies would be charging a next her rate hike during the warmer months, because they felt they did not collect the money during the cold months. as a senator -- i asked my senator to look into this, to investigate if this rate hike was legitimate and if it was something consumers should have had to pay. that is the kind of person i want to be when i go to congress, to make sure we are that everything we can so people with their air-conditioners on are not paying exorbitant rates. geoff: do you consider nuclear power -- nick: do you consider nuclear power clean energy? ms. deacon: we had nuclear energy in this district. i don't support building new nuclear energy, but i agree that until we are able to transition off of fossil fuels that we should be using nuclear energy right now. the issue with nuclear energy is that after the power plants close, then you are left with

the waste material, and that is something we need to address. but currently i think it is something we need to have on the grid to be able to provide energy for people. were in congressman katko's position at the time fitzpatrick was facing the trouble that it was, would you have supported an agreement that provided a subsidy? ms. deacon: yeah. the bottom line is this. we are talking about high paying jobs at an energy source we cannot afford to lose. both of those coupled together, we had to work to get something done to be able to keep this plan to open. would have worked very hard if i had been in congress, had i did have representative of this district, to make sure we brought to every idea to the table to fix this moving forward. rep. katko: the fact of the matter was she was a representative of this district. she was a point person for representative gillibrand for six years. during that time, the issue of power plants came up and she did not do anything about it.

i went to the rallies at fitzpatrick and she was noticeably absent. she did not talk much about it. i worked with fitzpatrick employees. i worked with the governor's office on a daily basis, and i got them to come together and understand the issues from all sides, and i played a key world and helping a plan to stay open, keeping those jobs in a very impoverished area of our country. partuclear industry is a of what new york state's energy fabric should be. we need to protect it as best as we can area -- as best as we can. when the fitzpatrick situation happened, that was my last week of work, so congressman katko has his facts a little bit wrong, which is a little unnerving, since as a representative i hope he does not take a lazy stance to everything he does. second of all, when i was in the senator's office that week, i don't remember congressman katko reaching out to me to talk about this issue. as someone who claims to be so bipartisan, i don't think he

worked with me at all or tried to get me to attend any of these meetings. mistaken, the next congress will likely play a role in fixing the affordable care act. just yesterday, the obama administration announced double-digit price hikes for some obamacare plans. the question is the obvious one, what should be done to exhibit? -- to fix it? ms. deacon: i do support the affordable care act. not havedy who did health insurance at the time, i know how hard it can be to not have health insurance, so we have to do everything we can to include more people to help them get the preventative care we need. i think the affordable care act is a great start. i am happy to see they have eliminated insurance companies from canceling insurance on those that have a pre-existing condition. a have allowed students to stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26.

and they have provided a marketplace for people to buy insurance. but we need to make sure it is affordable, that people could save, quality health care that they deserve. yesterday when i talked about the hikes come up the other -- hikes, the other part of the story is that federal subsidies will increase with those hikes will stop we need to make sure -- those hikes. we need to make sure those rise to make sure it is affordable to everybody. she did not tell you how to fix it, but i will. the bottom line is it is a broken system. i agree with my opponent that it is a good ring that americans have health insurance, and we can go back to a time where americans do not have the option to have health insurance. but let's basic, obamacare is not working. parked like to say i had forcing a proposal to come to the table. i stood up to my party when they would have bills to repeal obamacare with no replacement. i gladly stood up to them,

because that's what independent leaders in congress do. the proposal out there now is a proposal to basically have a more market-based solution, where a lot more insurance companies compete across state lines. you do things that will make a big difference in the way obamacare is working. we will also work with prescription drug rates, because that's another major driving of the economic crisis. obamacare is not working, and we need to fix it. geoff: let's move on to congressman katko. planned parenthood funding is once again an issue in this race. we are also seeing more talk about abortion in the presidential race. donald trump says he will appoint pro-life judges to the ultimatelyrt, and he expects the issue to go back to the states. hillary clinton wants roe v wade to stay in place, and she is calling for a repeal of the measure that rocks the use of medicaid funding for procedure. voted to defund

planned parenthood despite saying you would not do so in 2014. can you explain that vote and also tell us why -- what new york should do if roe v wade is overturned? to haveko: i am glad the opportunity to talk about this, because there has been hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to scare women of this district. my position is quite simple. i was presented with evidence of possible wrongdoings by planned parenthood nationwide. faced on that evidence, i voted to temporarily shift money to community-based health clinics for women's-- health care -- that lets women's health care continue. i have also been a champion of women's health care rights. my mother has suffered from rest cancer, and for anyone to suggest that i would not be for funding women's health care is reprehensible, and that's what those commercials suggested. as more as the supreme court goes, i don't think we should have litmus tests.

nominate people to the supreme court who have integrity first, integrity second, and integrity third. i am sure mistaken wants to respond, but first, donald trump is wrong when he suggests he should be appointing pro-life judges? rep. katko: i think having a litmus test is wrong, so in that case they are both wrong. polarizesitmus test people. and having is the key issue. nick: and if roe v wade were to repealed, would there be a measure in new york that would preserve abortion rights? up. katko: i think that is to the votes of people. majority rules. whatever the majority could of people feels is appropriate. john katko, when he ran in 2014, he promised he would not defund planned parenthood. since he has been in office, he has done that four times.

for him to dance around this issue that he was presented with videos, false evidence that was completely not real, and the actual gentleman who did record these videos is now indicted for doing what he did, so he based his evidence on false material. he is somebody i don't want as a congressman, who can't look at the evidence presented and wait for a decision to made -- to be made before they decide to defund planned parenthood. defundd four times to planned parenthood. i think this is a serious issue, and women need to know he went back on his campaign promise. he just said heavy integrity is key. i think having integrity on this issue is key as well. nick: do you support repealing the hyde amendment? ms. deacon: i do. i think it negatively impacts poor and low income women, and we have to do everything we can to make sure women have the health care they deserve, no matter what their income is. you can beat the

drum all you want, but i told you what my position was. i made sure that the funding was for women's health, and i always will. we are going to move on. the next question is for ms. deacon. cities like syracuse have struggled to maintain their aging water and sewer and structure. call forion is to local government consolidation. this is a solution -- is this a solution that would make local government more affordable? ms. deacon: infrastructure is one of the biggest issues we face. our roads, bridges, waters, and sewer pipes are crumbling everywhere. when i go to congress, i am excited for the opportunity to vote on a package that includes a huge investment of infrastructure. is a great opportunity for us to be able to fix what we have and provide opportunities for people. as the city's

infrastructure, i did read the draft consolidation that came out back in the spring, and i don't think it had enough detail to be able to say what would work and what did not work. there were not any numbers that matched to what the proposals were. until we have more information, then i can make a decision on what will be best and if that would actually work, and if that would help fix our infrastructure. when i go to congress, i want to fight hard to make sure i am bringing dollars back to help etc. infrastructure. -- help fix our infrastructure. nick: to follow-up up, how should we get that money? should it be through raising taxes, debt? some investments are in the trillions of dollars that are needed nationally. rep. katko: right now you can borrow money at historically low interest rates. if you look at the long-term, as far as putting investments into our country, putting hundreds of thousands of people to work which will lead dollars to the economy.

it will pay for itself in the long run. that's the problem with john and his party. they don't look at it as investments. they just look at it as spending, and they think spending is bad. in fact, it would be a great investment for our future. she talks about me not wanting to get involved in spending. she must have missed the fact that i was the leading negotiator on the highway bill, the first long-term takes in 10 years. i went to congress, i asked to be on the transportation and infrastructure committee, and in so doing i managed to get myself into a lead role on the first long-term highway bill in a decade. that bill increased spending by 10%. it provides billions upon billiards -- billions upon billions of dollars to states to fund projects. it put thousands of people to work right away.

you might have seen some of the fruits of the bill, and a lot more is coming. i supported a straight green water revolving fund. by the way, increased spending in the highway bill and the funds for the clean water revolving -- reviving fund were funded by other parts of the country. i say find the cost and be efficient with your money. that's what we did with the highway bill and -- nick: just a follow-up on that, can cuts go far enough? needsre some revenue the to be raised by funding, borrowing, or raising taxes? with $19 trillion in debt, it should be the last resort. we are not at the last resort yet. we should focus on the clean water reviving fund. cuts from other areas. until such time, i think we should find every piece of fraud

and waste weekend before we resort to borrowing more money. nick: before we move on, this is kind of a yes or no answer -- do you think onondaga county and syracuse should propose some sort of merger? ms. deacon: i think we need to have more data to be able to decide. i read the draft report, and there was not enough information to say whether or not this was a good decision. it did not have any information at all. rep. katko: i completely agree with her on that one. nick: mistaken. this summer, congress -- ms. deacon, this summer congress passed legislation to deal with the heroin and opioid epidemic, but there is question over whether or not it is being treated as a public health academic or as a law enforcement issue. what's the right approach? ms. deacon: i'm glad you mentioned this. i think it is a health epidemic,

and we need to make sure we are addressing it as a health epidemic. from thisty is immune terrible drug, and we have to do what we can to make sure we provide the resources. we should be working with our law enforcement agencies, making sure they have the training and tools and ability to deal with people who are overdosing, having narcan on them to my and that they are doing everything they can to get these drugs off the streets. at the same time, we need to work with our medical community, making sure they have guidelines in place so they are not overprescribing these drugs. it, notroactive about necessarily reactive, but make it so that people are not becoming addicted. we also need to be sure we have treatment facilities available. methadone clinics, only 10 our upstate. 40 counties in new york state do not have access to clinics, and every county is not immune from this. we need to make sure we have

places for people, and on the federal level, we need to provide resources so families can deal with this issue and tackle it for good. nick: do you might really --ckly, mistaken, state and ms. deacon, state injection sites, what do you think of that? i want to see how it works. they have not been in use in new york state, but until we do, let's see how it goes until i have a thought on that. rep. katko: for 20 years, i was a federal organized crime prosecutor. during that time, i was going tract --tel level drug cartel level drug rings. heroin is killing our children at a record pace. detailedss, i held six drug called -- drug town halls about this issue. i was instrumental in having a key role in comprehensive

addiction recovery act. someone -- home someone who lost their son to overdose and they talk about the pain they went through, i can only tell you i would walk through walls for them. what do we do? it is a three-pronged approach. it is enforcement, prevention, and treatment. unity enforcement leg. -- you need the enforcement leg. step to getod first more money flowing to communities, more beds to people for treatment, and more money for prevention, but we have to have a law enforcement component , and that is what we are working on. i am very proud to be a part of the solution to that problem. there has been concerns raised about narcan and the availability of that, primarily because people are overdosing

and sometimes overdose once again. has narcan become too much of a problem for this issue? it is never a problem when you're saving someone's life, but you are absolutely right. auburn, theyrs in issued someone narcan and had gone back to the house several hours later and gotten it again, which is stunning. narcan is by no means the magical elixir. it is the ends to revive someone who is dead. we should not eliminate it, but we need to make sure we have the other things that my opponent and i have talked about. good treatment, but also good law enforcement. nick: moving along to outsideman katko, groups have spent heavily on this race, as well as congressional races in upstate new york, and a lot of this is because of these separate -- of the citizens united supreme court decision.

should the constitution diminish the role of money in politics? absolutely. based on what the supreme court has said, there is -- they believe that donating to campaigns is essentially a first amendment right. a constitutional amendment, we are not going to be able to fix the problem. i have been very honored i the support in this race not just from congressional groups, but labor unions, for example. i have had support from across the board. i am honored and humbled to have that support. i also recognize it is a problem. there has been a lot of money coming on my behalf and my opponents behalf. it is part of what it is today. opponent would agree with me today that a constitutional amendment is the way to go. nick: to be clear, do you believe giving money to a local campaign falls under free speech protections? rep. katko: under the current decisions i have read, i think it is no question that it is

free speech. the question is whether we want to have an amendment to fix that, and i think we have to. ms. deacon: i absolutely think we have to get money out of politics. the dirty money coming in, even in our district alone, the attack tags. this is not -- the attack ads. this is not how you elect representatives. i have been talking about this since i have been on the campaign trail. my opponent is somebody who might say we should have an amendment, but he is not supported the bills introduced. he is the seventh highest recipient of tax dollars and special interest dollars in congress. buy nooned the knono legislation, and he does not support it because of thousands of dollars from the gun lobby. i think it is obvious that we need to get money out of politics. we need to have donors disclose who they are and not have secret money coming in to any district. do you agree or disagree

with any of the things that some of the super pac's have been saying about congressman katko? ms. deacon: everything we have put out on my campaign has been his words. he said donald trump has good principles. nick: but the super pac adds, the ads run on your behalf -- ms. deacon: we are not affiliated with those ads, but from what i have seen, it just uses congressman katko's words. congress may katko says donald trump has good principles. is supporting donald trump to be concerned about his race the -- because he is concerned about his congressional race. rep. katko: keep in mind one fact. she have raised me last quarter. keep that in mind when we are trying to factor what is going on. she raised more money than me last time. said, we do like i

need a constitutional amendment to get this under control. as for the outside ads, i think you know that i have never endorsed donald trump. i've never endorsed him. i never said i was going to vote for him, but i'm not going to. her ads are trying to say otherwise. keep in mind, i have great faith that you will sift through the nonsense and understand what this campaign is all about. congressman, you have been on the record saying you do not support donald trump, but who are you going to be voting for? rep. katko: i know it's not going to be hillary clinton or donald trump. they are seriously flawed. i picked up the paper today and the county executive said the same thing. i don't think we are alone. i think a lot of americans are going, is this the best we have? they are frustrated like i am. i have not decided. nick: are you going to skip over that race entirely? i will either write

in a candidate or vote for a third-party candidate. nick: ms. deacon, anything you would like to respond to? ms. deacon: no. it is clear that john katko receives a very high amount of special interest money, and frankly, he's got very false, misleading ads about me on television. he selectively edited a portion of my words to make it sound like i was saying something i wasn't, which is very dishonest. it is misleading the voters, and i think the voters are better to have somebody in congress who actually wants to run on his record, but instead is just attacking me. rep. katko: it is a fact that she has not been able to forculate anything right the party. those were her own words on this interview. not a fact that she could articulate any planned with respect to isis or any detail with respect to isis, and it is a fact that she said, "i don't have a plan." those were her words. they were not edited.

i will let you people out there judge whether or not those words were authentic. servedms. deacon, you for six years as a top aide in central new york for pearson gillibrand. this will be your first elected office. why should voters in this district trust you in that role? ms. deacon: thank you for that question. i have worked in this district for the last six years, rolling up my sleeves in her office, and six years before that in the mayor's office. i know how government works on all levels. i know the potential we have. i have worked with small businesses to help them cut through red tape. i have worked with an hvac company to get them a waiver they deserved so they could continue to produce their product here. i have worked to stop bad trade deals from happening. a steel company in auburn was facing steel dumping from other countries where they could not compete. we worked to investigate this and stop it. i have worked with our veterans to help connect them with local job opportunities.

these are the things i have done on the ground, and i want to continue to fight hard for the people of this district. i understand the needs of the community. i was at southwest community center talking about the fema flood map. these are issues i have been involved in and will continue to be involved in. as something you has faced a struggle, i know what it is like for so many families. i want to be a voice at the table where there has not been a voice before. i know what it is like for some many people who are graduating from college with student loan burdens on their backs and limited job opportunities. i want to go to congress and fight hard as a champion for this region. congressman, you have been a long handful of republicans who have split from party leaders on rollcall vote, but if democrats split, your pull -- your vote will become more important than ever and pressure will increase upon you by gop leaders. why should people in this

district trust that you will not break under pressure? havekatko: because i prosecuted the most violent criminals. i had to move my family out of my house. despite that, i never wavered. i never backed down. that's why it's easy for me to stand up to my party and tell them, no, this is the way i am going to vote. that is why i am one of the most independent voices in congress. keep in mind my opponent has been involved in politics pretty much her entire adult career. i have been involved in politics two years. in those two years, i have gotten more done when she was involved -- than when she was involved at a local level. making sure the highway bill was going to generate thousands of jobs in central new york, and making sure the trade bill does not continue to ruin us, like it has with the nafta deal. i have a proven track record.

with my opponent, you have some possibilities, but you have with me a proven track record. why change that? geoff: we just heard an indictment of your resume. what's your response? ms. deacon: i don't now how he quantifies what he is saying. if you want to talk about legislation, i was not in congress. i was never a congressperson from this district. for him to say i have not gotten anything done is just completely false. i have worked on the ground. i worked with fema when they had an issue -- when a school district had an issue with relocating a school and fema not allowing the to build a new location. i got them the waivers they needed so they could rebuild. i worked with the city of syracuse to make sure they had the funding they needed for the lead paint issue in the 24th district. i have been working on the ground for a long time. i worked to make sure that the bird's eye workers at the birdseye factory, that we secured trade adjustment

assistance funding so that workers could be retrained. for john just say i don't have a proven track record is completely false and dishonest. rep. katko: with respect to lead paint, we lost funding in the county, the state, rather, and now i have tried to help with that by supporting grants. the county got one that is coming back to the city. we are going to continue to work on that. it has been laid out my lap at the last minute about the fema flood mapping of the city of syracuse. you have been there for 10 minutes and nothing happened. all of a sudden, it's my fault. becausenothing about it -- you did nothing about it, and now it's at my feet, or you tried to do something about it and failed. nick: just a follow-up on that, rep, a lota regional of this is constituent services.

doneas what ms. deacon has for a seat iner the house of representatives? rep. katko: let's face it. the economy got worse in that. bang of time. we have a lead paint problem going on. those are a few examples. she cannot sit there and say, i am qualified to run for congress because i worked with senator gillibrand before i worked for the city of syracuse. has been as, she professional in politics. i have been in politics for two years and gotten more done. you have to look at her track record when she was working at the senator's office. hugeatershed issue is a thing. we have been meeting for two years on that issue, and she is nowhere to be found, and all of a sudden she shows up at a press conference a couple of weeks ago saying i am not involved. that shows that she does not know i have been involved.

nick: ms. deacon, you can respond. john, did you do a google search before you made these claims? goodema flood map is a example. senator gillibrand, i brought her down here to look at how this impacts our communities. we worked hard with the mud get them off the map. you can't just point to random things that you think you had input on when you did not. you have not been paying attention to this. i am not in congress. i don't have the ability to do anything, but i want people to know that i have been fighting for them for the last six years and will continue to. just because you have not done anything on this issue does not mean it is my problem. rep. katko: if you were working on the fema flood map for 10 years and were not able to change it, you failed. if you have been working on the blue-green algae issue, you need to know that we have been working on it since i have it in congress. we will go to

transportation. this question is for congressman katko. the decision of the future of interstate 81 will be made by new york, but whether it becomes an elevated highway or a boulevard, there will be an impact on the community at large. do you think one option is better than the other, and what will you do to make sure future decisions benefit both city and suburban residents? rep. katko: thank you. good to have a change of pace on these questions. i am proud of the highway bill. i was a lead negotiator on the bill that was the first highway bill in a generation, a decade. i was able to ensure that thousand jobs were generated. like my opponent, i agree with her when she says let's see what the community says. i want to see what the community rallies behind. it's not my job to take anything. it's my job -- pick a thing. it's my job to make sure the process is complete. it considerse sure

the tunnel option and the recessed highway option. we are down to two options, the viaduct or the boulevard. but has not happened that needs inhappen is more discussion outlying areas. i have sent letters to the department of transportation to make sure that the width is part of the equation. if the boulevard option happens, 41 becomes interstate 81, what impact will that have two folks in dewitt, and what impact will that have for the folks on 320 cutting in from the west to the south? we need to make sure we look at all the things that impact our areas. it has been talked about for a very long time, the pace. rep. katko: i am not going to criticize the pace. talking about over a billion dollars. let's face it. 60 years ago, i'm not sure it was the best idea. more time to spend

get it right, i think that's ok. as far as anyone goes, we have to make sure that we are not just thinking about tomorrow, but we are being bold for the future. this is 785, 100 years down the road, and we have to make sure that public input is considered. i know we are doing are due diligence with the draft environmental impact statements, looking at the data, but they are looking at more than the transportation project. they are looking at it as far as neighborhood and community development. they are reaching out to communities, having events and forums so people can learn about where we are on the project. i think that's what really matters, that we make sure that every voice is heard. in the 1950's, it was a top-down approach, and i think that was the wrong approach to take. nick: to be clear, do you have one preference over another? ms. deacon: no, i want to make sure we have all the data and that we hear from the people of this community to make sure they

know what is best. i will fight hard and get the money that is needed to make sure we have the funds in place to do whatever project is decided. question about he initially said he might not accept the election results at all. how would you help ensure the american tradition of the peaceful and orderly transition of power? rep. katko: to say that you will not honor the results is ridiculous. it is ridiculous. i have great faith in this country and great faith in the american people. if there is any wrong doing --

if there is any wrongdoing, it will be exposed. going to do was what i have done since i have been in congress, i want to be an independent voice, reach across the aisle. i have a democratic cosponsor. six bills passed into law by a democratic president. i was standing at the back of the house and we had transition of power for the speaker of house. and washner spoke standing near me. paul ryan got to -- got up to give a speech and we acknowledged -- when he had knowledge john boehner, he said,

ok. and he walked out the door. it inspired me about how great this country is. what do you tell supporters of mr. trump who remain deeply concerned or convinced that there will be some sort of fraud? rep. katko: unless there is evidence to that extent, i would show me the evidence. ms. deacon: i think it proves donald trump is unfit to be president, to be saying things like the election is rigged. he does not have the judgment and he does not have the temperament. as far as the transition of power, we have seen the history of the united states.

when i went, i will go to congress -- when i win, i will go to congress and do everything i can to make sure we have a seamless transition. that is what i care about and that is what i will do moving forward after this election. get one will be able to more question and before we go. new york's dairy industry is benefiting from a boom in greek yogurt. over the past year, three producers had to dump -- dairy producers had to dump millions of gallons of milk due to a supply problem. what role would you play to ensure new york agriculture is protected? ms. deacon: my mom grew up on a dairy farm in rome, new york. i know how hard our farmers are

working and how important the agriculture sector is for new york state. agriculture is a big industry here. i have said i would love to be on the ag committee to help draft the farm bill in 2018. it is so important we are making sure our small farmers, medium-sized farmers, and big farmers all have a voice at the table. to make sure it is fair and equal footing all over the state and all over the country. nick: if we could get a specific farmersan dairy farmers continue to sell their product at a profit? ms. deacon: we have to work together with the community and with our farm bureau to make sure we are doing everything we can so they are getting inadequate price for the dairy

they are producing. look at the formulas they have in place. it is a very formulaic process for how much you pay for milk. we worked to help get the yogurt into school lunches as a protein. it started as a pilot program and became a permanent program to help provide more opportunities. those are ways we can help. rep. katko: to answer the question directly, you have to expand the markets for the dairy farmers. another disastrous affect of the free trade agreement, canada is restricting the ability for new york dairy farmers to sell their milk in canada. canada is restricting their access to that market.

technologies are developing which will allow the shelf life of dairy products to increase dramatically. we need to increase the markets for them. we cannot wait for the next five-year farm bill. we have to work now. i sent a letter protesting canada's unfair trade practices with respect to this. i support measures to help expand the market nationwide. nick: we will have to go to closing statements. rep. katko: on november 9, the day after the election, and my birthday, one of two deeply flawed president -- presidential candidates are going to be president-elect. who do you think is going to be more -- act in a more bipartisan manner in congress? i became one of the most

independent members in congress by having the guts to stand up to my party when i felt it was right. making tough choices on votes. we have accomplished much this term, but there is so much more i want to accomplish. i want to work hard to make you .afe, go to bed feeling safe i want to continue with many other programs. with your vote, i will be able to do that. and it would be a nice birthday present for me, too. god bless you and god bless the united states of america. ms. deacon: thank you very much. i want to let the voters know that i will not be -- i will work harder than anybody has ever worked. i will be the best representative for this district. for the last six years, i worked in senator gillibrand's office.

i know the challenges that we face. i know the issues. i want to bring my voice to congress and represent the people of this district, not just those at the top. we need to work to keep social security solvent, protect medicare. these are things my opponent does not even talk about. we need somebody who will represent the people here who knows what it is like for so many families that are struggling. as somebody who just paid off my , asent loans last year somebody who is a single mom whose son goes to public school in the city of syracuse, i know what we face. i want to be a voice at the table where we have not had a voice before. i hope i can count on your vote november 8. nick: that does it for our new york 24 debate. thank you for watching at home.

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mr. trump: tremendous. oh, wow. thank you very much. thank you. unbelievable. people don't know, i worked in ohio. did you know that? and i had a great experience. and if i didn't have a great experience starting out when i was very young, maybe i wouldn't be here right now. in 12 days, we're going to win ohio and we're going to win back the white house. eers and applause]

a brand new poll from remington research, highly respected, has just a few minutes ago come out and in ohio, we are right now four points up. early voting is underway so make sure. get out and vote. we don't want to give this away. we have a movement going on like they've never seen before in this country. drain the swamp. going to drain the swamp. believe me. but this is a movement like they've never seen in this country before and every place is packed and the greatest people on earth and we're going to turn our country around fast. [cheers and applause] 75% of the people think our country is headed in the wrong direction. we know it's headed in the wrong direction.

we're going to fix it. we're going to take our country back and it's going to be put, very quickly, on the right track. [cheers and applause] real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. [cheers and applause] it has just been announced americans are going to experience another massive double-digit hike in obamacare. you see that. including premiums like in the great state of arizona, where they're going to go up at 116%. don't worry. you'll be there very soon. unless i win, in which case, you won't have to worry about it. [cheers and applause] even bill clinton admitted that obamacare is, quote, the craziest thing in the world. where people wind up paying

their premiums which double, and their coverage is cut in half. job killing. obamacare is just one more way the system is rigged. remember the name jonathan gruber, the architect of obamacare? he said they could pass obamacare, when he didn't know he was being recorded, they could pass obamacare because the stupidity of the american voter will allow it to take place. the only stupidity was that incredible stupidity shown by our politicians when they forced this bill through, over the furious objections to many politicians, in all fairness. many, many politicians, but really, the american people. and it was very, very sad. and in all fairness to the democrats, had our president not lied 28 times -- remember, you

can keep your plan, keep your doctor? it passed by this much. they would not have gone for it. but they believed him, too. like everybody else believed him. they caught him in a lot of lies lately, folks. hillary clinton -- talking about liars -- wants to double down -- big liar -- hillary clinton wants to double down on obamacare and make it even worse. so here, i'm going to repeal it, replace it. we're going to have a replacement that is so much less expensive and so much better. you don't even get to use obamacare because the deductible is so high, and it's just -- look, it is so out of control. you'll never get to use it. $4,000, $5,000 before you can start taking. hillary clinton declared that

obamacare -- do you remember this -- one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party and of our country, a total disaster. here in ohio, another five insurance companies are dropping out of obamacare. good luck. good luck in negotiations, folks. that means all the residents covered by plans from these companies will be getting cancellation notices very soon. obamacare is really -- you know this -- a catastrophic event. for ohio workers, and is making it impossible for many parents to pay their bills, support their families or get quality medical care to their children. repealing obamacare is one of the single most important reasons we must win on november

8. have to win. real change, also means getting rid of the corruption in washington, d.c. hillary clinton bleached and deleted 33,000 e-mails, lied to congress under oath, made 13 phone calls -- i mean 13 phones, made them disappear. sometimes with a hammer, right? boom. boom. let's get rid of these phones. and then told the fbi she couldn't remember 39 different times. the clinton crew gave more than $675,000 to the wife of the deputy director of the fbi and the man who was overseeing the investigation into hillary's

illegal server, a server we now know obama knew about. found that out yesterday. wikileaks. the more e-mails wikileaks releases, the more lines between the clinton foundation, the secretary of state's office and the clinton's personal finances, they all get blurred. today we read about clinton confidant, doug brand, bragging he funneled tens of millions of dollars to bill clinton inc. through the foundation donations, paid speaks and cob pag through the foundation donations. he called the arrangement unorthodox. the rest of us call it corrupt. in fact, the clinton foundation,

even hired a law firm to find out if their pay to play scheme would jeopardize their charitable status with the irs. if the clintons were willing to play this fast and loose with their enterprise, when they weren't in the white house, just imagine what they'll do given the chance to once again control the oval office. and we have had enough. think we have had enough of the clintons in all fairness. don't you think? i've had enough. at what point do we say it? hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the office of the president. i propose a contract with the american voters that will end the corruption and give the government back to the people. i want the entire corrupt washington establishment to hear and to heed the words i'm about to say. if we win on november 8 -- when -- ok.

ok. when we win on november 8. [cheers and applause] we don't want to take it for granted but we are winning in a lot of states. have to tell you. the media now, they're going wild. the media is going wild because they're saying, you know, that guy's winning. in florida, he's winning in north carolina, he's winning in iowa. he's winning in ohio. all right. when we win, right? we are going to washington, dc and we are going to drain the swamp.

a lot of spirit in this room. this is a good one. that includes the constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of congress. at the core of my contract is my economic plan. that plan can be summarized in three very beautiful words, especially for the people in this area and this room. jobs, jobs, jobs. it's terrible what happened to this area, what happened to this country with jobs is terrible. hillary clinton promised to bring upstate new york 200,000 jobs when she ran for senate. and instead the jobs left. they didn't come in. they left. she has been there for 30 years and hasn't fixed anything.

she is just made things worse except for herself and her husband. 47 million americans are on food stamps and 45 million americans live in poverty. nearly one in four americans, in nearly one in four americans, in their prime earning years, are not working or able to work. 70 million american women and children are in poverty or the brink of poverty and nearly half of african-american children under the age of six are living in abject poverty. our national debt has doubled in eight years. and our infrastructure throughout our country is crumbling. bad shape. our airports, our roads, our bridges, our tunnels, our schools, our hospitals. our trade deficit with the world is now nearly $800 billion a year. we are living through the

greatest jobs theft in the history of the world. think of it. and that's so true. the single greatest job theft in the history of the world. what our politicians have allowed to happen to this area but to all areas of our country, nafta, tpp, they want to approve. a disaster. ohio has lost one in four manufacturing jobs since nafta. a deal signed by bill clinton and supported strongly by hillary. remember, every time you see a closed factory or wiped out community in ohio, it was essentially caused by the clintons. why a deal like that was allowed? we've lost 70,000 factories. think of that one.

70. i tell everybody. it's a typo. can't be 70,000. it is. we've lost 70,000 factories since china ended the world trade organization. another bill and hillary backed disaster. just this year, eaton corporation in ohio closed its plant, laid off 152 workers and moved their jobs to mexico. and you have had many -- i could name them all day long. under my contract, if a company wants to fire their workers, move to mexico, or other countries, and ship their products back into the united states, we will put a 35% tariff on those products. and, folks, just in case you have any questions, when that happens you're not losing your companies anymore, and if you do at least the country is going to make a lot of money. ok?

we will immediately begin renegotiating nafta. and if we don't get the deal we want -- right now it's a one-way highway -- we lose our jobs, we lose our companies, we lose everything. we lose our cash. they get the cash, they get the jobs, they get the companies, we get the drugs, we get the unemployment. that's all we get. we get nothing. we get less than nothing. we will terminate nafta and get a better deal for our workers if we can't renegotiate it properly we'll get a better deal for our workers and companies because we cannot continue to be the people led by stupid people. we can't. we can't. as part of our plan to bring back american jobs we'll lower taxes on our businesses from 35% down to 15%.

[cheers and applause] we will also cut taxes for middle class families by 35%. [cheers and applause] and massively simply identify taxes for all americans. we will be a rich nation once again. but to be a rich country, we must also be a safe country. hillary clinton unleashed isis on to the world. you know that story. and spreading violently -- it's spreading now into the united states. there are now 1,000 open isis investigations in the united states. isis is on a campaign of genocide against christians the middle east or what they call the nation of the cross. ok? the nation of the cross. they are crucifying, drowning, and beheading their victims. this is something that we would

read about in history books. and not since medieval times have you heard the beheadings and all of the things happening. so we have no choice. we will stop isis and we will stop them fast. and unlike what they've done in mosul, which is turning out to be very rick, we're not giving three and four months notice we're coming in. we're coming in. you think general george patton would say we're coming in, in three or four months, get ready? what a bunch. they're throwing people off buildings, hanging their victims from meat hooks. the "new york post" just published reports about isis crushing christian to death and burning adults alive. now hillary wants massive immigration from the most

dangerous regions of the world, where isis operates, including a 550% increase in syrian refugees over and above the thousands and thousands that president obama is taking. we don't want isis in our country. the hillary refugee plan would leave us with generations of terrorism, radicalism and extremism, inside of our shores. i only want to admit people who will support this country and love its people. so important. keeping our families safe is the highest obligation of the president of the united states. a trump administration is going to suspend immigration from terror-prone regions and we will suspend the syrian refugee program. that was easy. we're not going to take the risk

when it comes to the safety of the american people. no longer. so let me state this as clearly as i can. if i'm elected president, i am going to keep radical islamic terrorists the hell out of our country. [cheers and applause] "u.s.a.!"]ting hillary also said she wants totally open borders. no one who supports open borders can ever serve as president of

the united states. totally open borders. a trump administration will also secure the borders of the united states and, yes, we will build a wall. have to. we have to. "build thating wall!"] and who is going to pay for the wall? look, 100%, mexico, in terms off our trade deficit, is making a fortune off the united states. their leaders are doing a much

smarter job. but you know what? we'll be happy with mexico, mexico's going to be wonderful, we'll have a great relationship with mexico and with china and with other -- we don't even have good relationships now. they rip us off and we still don't get along. at least they should be nice to us. they're not even nice. they'll be nice. thousands of americans have been killed by illegal immigrants. right here in ohio, 60-year-old was murdered in cold blood by an illegal immigrant. earlier that day, the killer shot another woman in the arm while she was with her children in a nearby park. police encountered a man more than three weeks with the crime spree but federal authorities refused to take him into custody even though people were saying, please, please, don't let him out. please take him in. then there is the case of

90-year-old earl olander. a farmer who was brutally beaten by illegal immigrants and left to bleed to death in his home. earl's body was found with his hands bound behind his back and duct taped. a blunt force injury to his head. his killers had criminal reports but did not meet the obama administration's priorities for removal. but others that knew him and others that knew them, were pleading, were pleading, don't let them out. don't let them in our society. i have a message for the cartels, the drug dealers, and the gang members. when i win, your long reign of crime anderror --

terror will come to a crashing end. we will also repeal obama-clinton defense cuts and rebuild our badly depleted military. our air force is the smallest and oldest it's ever been. did you know that? i know what you have here. you guys are good with wright patterson, right? what a great place. but we're very depleted. we have old equipment. we will build brand new, modern, state-of-the-art planes to fly right at wright patterson air force base. we have a lot of veterans here today. want to thank them for their service and let them know as president, i have your back. believe me. [cheers and applause]

i have your back. we will make america great again. it will not take too long. we will change our foreign policy. threwy clinton's policies the middle east into total turmoil. we are spending $6 trillion on wars in the middle east while our own country falls into total disrepair and now hillary wants to start a shooting war in syria with a nuclear power russia, which could lead to world war iii and the way she talks about vladimir putin, she is always saying wikileaks, it's russia and donald trump. i have nothing to do with russia, folks. maybe donald trump is involved with the russians and the answer

is no, but she says donald trump and russia -- look, she speaks so badly of vladimir putin, and their country speaks so badly. she uses it to try to get votes and i say to myself, how do you speak so badly of someone, i mean, how are they ever going to get along? wouldn't it be great if we actually got along with russia and other countries and together went after isis and knocked the hell out of them? they want to get them out also, but she speaks very badly of vladimir putin and i don't think that is smart. you can be tough, but she should not do what she's doing and has her own team has said in wikileaks, she has terrible instincts. say, it isicans, i time for new leadership.

it really is time. it really is. can you imagine four more years of obama? that's what you get. high taxes, high regulations and all these companies cannot even breathe with the regulations, unnecessary. isis all over the place at. she says will stop isis. let me tell you, there was no isis during her term she created with obama a vacuum in iraq. isis informed and obama called them the jv, junior varsity; , right? well, they are not the jv anymore, folks. they will be in -- we will knock them so hard. they're not the jv and they were not them and now they are in a 32 different countries and she is saying we will get rid of isis. she wants to go back home and go to sleep.

that's what she wants. did you see where she got upset yesterday because i took two hours to cut a ribbon to make sure my kids did a good job? we built the building, by the way, under budget and ahead of schedule. [cheers and applause] trump got offld the campaign trail. i mean, i have been doing six, seven, eight things a day every single day. she's home sleeping half the time. i say she is definitely a low-energy person. i say where is hillary? i watched after the last debate, and after the second debate, she was tired. she walked off that stage -- well, she had a lot of people around. they had a lot of people around her, which was smart. everything will change in november. just think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days.

we will have the biggest tax cut since ronald reagan. we are going to eliminate every unnecessary job killing regulation. we are going to provide school choice and put an end to common core. we are going to rebuild our military and take care of our veterans. we will support the truly great men and women of law enforcement. we are going to save our second amendment, which is under siege. we will appoint justices to the united states supreme court who will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. americans are tired of being told by politicians that they have to defer their dreams to

another day, but they really mean another decade. we keep electing the same people over and over again. clinton, clinton, clinton, that impeachment, the lying, the whole thing. we are going to keep, make the same mistakes if you keep doing that and we are going to continue to hear the same old excuses. these career politicians keep telling us that things can change, that we can't find new solutions. that's basically what they tell us. i have a message for them -- the future belongs to the dreamers, not the cynics or the critics. i'm asking all americans to join me in dreaming big and bold things were out future.

i will fight for every american of every background in every stretch of this nation. i'm going to fight to liberate our citizens from violence and poverty and crime and fear and i'm going to fight for the inner cities and for the african-american community and the way they are forced to live in the inner cities with no jobs , no education and no safety. i'm going to fight for every person in this country who believes government should serve the people, not the donors and not the special interest. i'm going to fight to bring us all together as americans. just imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together again as one people under one god, saluting one american flag.

it's right, once again we will have a government of, by and for the people. you got to get out and vote. it's going to be something special. this is an amazing group of people. you'll say this will be one of the most important meetings of your life. you'll say this vote will be the most important vote you have ever cast. [cheers and applause] because our country doesn't win anymore. we don't win with the trade. we don't win with our great military.

we don't allow them to win. we don't win with isis. the world is laughing at us. we don't win at the borders. we don't win with taking care of our veterans. we do when with anything. we don't win anymore. we will start winning again like you've never seen before. [cheers and applause] i kiddingly say that one of our great two congressmen who are here someplace -- where are those great guys? they are here. they will be coming to see me at the white house and they will say mr. president, mr. president, sir, mr. president, the people of ohio, they can't take it anymore, sir. you are winning too much. you knocked out isis. there are too many jobs in ohio.

too many companies are pouring in. we have a little traffic -- traffic would not be a bad thing, right? every time you see traffic, remember it's not such a bad thing. mr. president, you are winning too much. please, please stop what is so -- winning so much. i will say, listen, we are going to continue to win. we are going to win like never before. we are going to make our country wealthy again. we are going to make america stronger. we will make americans safe again and we will make america great again. thank you very much. thank you, everyone. make sure you go out and vote. god bless you. god bless you.

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off a rainsoaked runway at laguardia airport. the national transportation safety board is sending a team to investigate the incident. tomorrow, governor pence continues campaigning. >> can you guys hear me? control room?

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>> donald trump will hold a campaign rally tomorrow afternoon in manchester, new hampshire. live coverage at noon eastern time. , the nationon day decides our next president and which party controls the house and senate. stay with c-span for coverage of the presidential race, including campaign stops with hillary clinton, donald trump, and their

surrogates, and follow key house and senate races. c-span, where history unfolds daily. c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. time, michellet obama joined hillary clinton on in campaign trail at a rally winston-salem, north carolina. the two encouraged early voting. this is an hour.

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winston-salem. hello, wake forest. here in great to be this beautiful city at this extraordinary time. [cheers and applause] chance to be with so many, including the wake forest family. [cheers and applause] and it doesn't get any better than being here with our most amazing first lady, michelle obama. [cheers and applause] i want to thank everyone who has filled this arena.

i especially want to thank dr. team and the staff students here at wake forest university. i will never forget visiting here with the legendary maya angelou, one of the most powerful voices our country has ever heard. i could not think of a better place to come back to with another woman whose voice we need now more than ever. [cheers and applause] i want to say what i think is obvious but cannot be said enough -- this may be one of the most, if not the most, important .lections of our lifetime

for young people, it will be so consequential. every election is about the future. this one is about whether we build on the progress we've made, the legacy that president obama has built, or rip it away and go backwards. [cheers and applause] lot of work to do and i don't mean just in the presidential race. let's be sure to elect roy cooper the next governor of north carolina. [cheers and applause] always put the people of north carolina first and he will repeal hb2. [cheers and applause] because he knows that discrimination is wrong. it is bad for business. and it is against north

carolina's values. [cheers and applause] and let's send deborah ross to the united states senate. [cheers and applause] know, she will be an independent voice for the working families of the state, and she will break through the gridlock in washington. and unlike her opponent, deborah ross has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump. [cheers and applause] and remember, it is not just roy's name and deborah's name or my name that will be on the ballot. so much of what we care about, so much that is at stake in the election is too.

voting rights are at stake. if you care about this sacred right and what to make sure our leaders do their part to protect and strengthen it, not chip away at it, you have to vote in this election. after all north carolina has gone through the efforts to suppress people's votes, you will turn out in the biggest numbers to say no, we demand the right to vote. [cheers and applause] and supporting our veterans is at stake. if you believe that america should stand with those who have served because they served us, then you have got to vote. yourselves,nk about your family, people you know who have worn the uniform of our country, the best way to make clear that we respect the

military and we will do everything we can to make sure they and their families have what they need as they sacrificed for us is to show up and vote. [cheers and applause] you know, climate change is at stake. [cheers and applause] this in not have to say 2016, but i will. if you believe in science, right -- and you know that climate -- and a man's action right now, you have got to show up and vote in this election. [cheers and applause] immigration is at stake.

if you believe we need to fix our broken system and keep families together and give people who love america a path to citizenship, you have got to vote. [cheers and applause] you know, marriage equality is at stake, too. if you believe everyone deserves to be treated equally in america no matter who they are or who they love, you have got to turn out and vote in this election. [cheers and applause] wagesobs that paid good are at stake. investing in our roads and bridges and water systems and all the work that needs to be done in our country, that really matters and we can put millions of people to work and have a more competitive economy. that's why we propose a very big jobs program.

i don't want anybody willing to work in this country not to have a good job with a rising income to support themselves and their families. [cheers and applause] hillary clinton: if you believe that, you've got to come out and vote. [applause] hillary clinton: particularly for all of the students here, affordable college education is at stake. [applause] hillary clinton: not only that, relief from student that that you already have is at stake. if you believe as we do that everyone should be able to afford to go to college and graduate and that everyone should have a chance to pay down and pay off your debt, you have