we don't put america first, folks. it's almost like we have leaders that say, and negotiating with countries, we want to make sure they come out well. us, don't worry about us. they are doing it for a reason, because people take care of them very well. hillary's policies unleash isis, and powered iran, and spread death and destruction across the middle east. hillary and are failed -- our failed washington establishment have spent $6 trillion on wars in the middle east, and now it is in worse shape than we started. the middle east is in far worse shape. our failed establishment has betrayed the american worker and family. they have dragged us into foreign wars that have made us less safe, and they have left our borders wide-open at home, and they have shipped our jobs away to other countries, which we are stopping immediately. [cheers and applause]

mr. trump: when we lose our companies out of arizona and other states, they move to mexico. take the example of carrier air-conditioning. indianapolis, indiana, great place. by the way, how good is mike pence? [cheers and applause] mr. trump: what a great job he has done. that was a good choice. see? that's good instincts. that's good judgment. bernie sanders said hillary has bad judgment, and podesta -- i don't know this guy podesta. whoever the hell he is, i would fire him so fast. he says nothing but bad things about crooked hillary. the guy says nothing but bad things. he says nothing but bad. he has a memo. "she has bad instincts." if somebody said that about me,

even if it were true, i would fire them. unbelievable. really, the way he talks, and the way other people talk about her. i mean, this wikileaks is fascinating, they say so many bad things, but let's leave her alone. to all americans, i say it is now time for powerful leadership. just think about what we can accomplish in the first 100 days of our presidency. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: we are going to have the biggest tax cuts since ronald reagan, and hillary wants to raise your taxes. she wants to raise your taxes, which is pretty hard to believe considering we are the highest taxed nation in the world. we are going to eliminate every unnecessary job killing regulation. we will cancel every illegal obama executive order.

[cheers and applause] mr. trump: we are going to stop the massive inflow of refugees and keep radical islamic terrorism the hell out of our country. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: we are going to rebuild our depleted military and take care of our rate -- our great veterans. we are going to take care of them once and for all. we will reduce surging crime and support the incredible men and women of law enforcement. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: this dishonest media, the world's most dishonest people. [boos] mr. trump: terrible people. you can have a 100% home run and they will make it look bad. they are bad people. but they don't tell you this. the murder rate in the united states, the murder rate in the united states is the worst, the

highest it has been in 45 years. nobody talks about that. nobody talks about that. we are going to provide school choice and put an end to common core. we are going to bring our education home. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: i was endorsed by the national rifle association, the nra. we are going to save our second amendment, which is under siege. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: and appoint justices of the united states supreme court who will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: americans are tired of being told by politicians that they have to defer their dreams to another day, but they really mean another decade. that's what they mean. they don't mean another day. they mean decades and decades away. hillary has been there for 30

years, and she has accomplished nothing. just made things worse. [boos] mr. trump: she's the candidate of yesterday. we are a movement of the future. this is a movement, folks. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: this is a movement like our country has never seen before, and we are driving these characters crazy. they are not happy. our movement represents all americans from all backgrounds and all walks of life. we are asking for the votes of republicans, democrats, independents, and first-time voters. there is going to be a lot of them, believe me. we are fighting for every citizen who believes that government should serve the people, not be donors, and not the special interests.

[cheers and applause] mr. trump: we are fighting to unlock the tremendous potential of every american community and every american family who yearn for a better future, a much better future. with your vote, we are just 10 days away from the change you have been waiting for your entire life. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: i will never let you down, i promise you that. i will never let you down. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: we will not be

divided any longer. we will be a nation of love. together we will make america just again. just. we will make america strong again. we will make america safe again. we will make america wealthy again. and we will make america great again. god bless you, everybody. get out and vote. thank you. thank you. god bless you. thank you, arizona. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: thank you. ♪ >> ♪ you can't always get what you want

you can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need ♪ ♪ >> ♪ i saw her today at the reception a glass of wine in her hand i knew she would meet her connection

at her feet was her footloose man you can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you might find you get what you need ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> c-span's road to the white house coverage continues monday, when republican residential candidate donald trump speaks at a campaign rally in grand rapids, michigan. we will have live coverage of that at noon eastern. live at 6:15 p.m. eastern, we will show you democratic presidential candidate hillary

clinton speaking at a event in cincinnati, ohio. now, a debate in the u.s. senate race in pennsylvania be clean -- between pat toomey and katie mcginty. this debate was held last monday on the campus of temple university in philadelphia. it is about one hour. >> good evening, and welcome to

the final debate between the republican and democratic candidates for the u.s. senate from pennsylvania. over the next hour, the candidates will be answering questions posed by me come as was questions of sense to us via social media. audience, wehe have asked everybody here to refrain from applause or any other interruption, except for right now. as we welcome the republican and democratic candidate. [applause]

so glad you're here for a good debate tonight. a quick note on some of the ground rules. each candidate will have a minute to answer the question posed to them, all of the by a one minute response for rebuttal. candidates, a personal message for me, i hope to cover a lot of ground tonight. won't think that i'm disrespectful if i really try and hold you to your time. appreciate your help that. the candidates will also have 90 seconds at the end of the debate for a closing statement. by random draw, the first question tonight goes to katie mcginty. pennsylvania stirs .assions on both sides you support background checks come on assault weapons ban, a

ban on high-capacity ammunition clips come at a no-fly, list. if one of the countries most physical advocates gabby giffords has endorsed your opponent. if giffords were in this room, what would you say to her? >> thank you to all the search tuning in. the first i would say to gabby differences to thank her for her service. you are right. the use of gun violence -- the issue of gun violence is a critical issue. 300,000 people have been killed due to join that due to gun violence. role.d take a leadership i believe there is common ground to be had in this issue. i come from a family where my brothers were hunters and sportsmen. i don't think that is the issue.

>> coming together on some common sense issues, i think we can get it done. to get it done you have to stick with it and that is the difference i have with senator to me. he went his name to a bill that led police away when it fell by a couple of votes. let democrats take the lead. i'm ready to take the lead on this critical issue. sen. toomey: it's good to see you back in the seat and i'm glad you're doing well. thanks to temple for hosting this. i want to thank my family and friends who came down from the lehigh valley and greater philadelphia to be here. i approach this issue as somebody who is a strong believer in the second amendment. i think that is a very important, personal right that we have, and it's properly enshrined in the constitution. it just never occurred to me that a three-minute background check to try to prevent somebody who has no legal right to a firearm -- that that in any way infringes on second amendment rights. so i got together with joe

manchin after what was probably the most painful meeting i ever had, when i sat down with the families of sandy hook, the parents whose little babies were just massacred. those families -- they weren't asking us to ban all categories of guns or do anything unreasonable. they said can't we make progress on a background check. joe manchin and i put together a bill. we had three votes on that bill. i still support that and i intend to reintroduce that, because we ought to be able to keep firearms out of the people who had no legal right to it. but katie mcginty is the point of politicizing everything and hyper politics. that drives people apart and prevents us from finding common ground. jim: mr. toomey, perhaps because a woman is running for president, has a long-standing issue of profound importance become one of the more visible issues of the campaign and that is equal pay for women. according to wallethub.com, pennsylvania is now the fourth worst state in the country when it comes to gender pay equity and the world economic forum places the united states 28 in

the world. there is something called the paycheck fairness act. it would require businesses to explain why wage gaps exist between their male and female employees and impose tougher penalties against employers for wage discrimination. five times you have voted to reject the paycheck fairness act. are we to think that accurately describes how you feel about a woman's right to make as much money as a man? sen. toomey: the fact is i have grown up and i've been blessed to have a family full of strong women, my mom, my three sisters, all of whom have worked very successfully, my wife, who had a wonderful career before we got married, and i have a 16-year-old daughter. you better believe i want her to have every opportunity and to be compensated as well as my sons might be someday. the fact is though, the legislation you alluded to was ruled by even "the washington post" editorial age, no

-- page, no conservative page, as a boondoggle for trial lawyers, not as something that would actually make progress. i have supported legislation that makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of the gender of a worker. i voted for legislation that makes it illegal for employers to retaliate against workers who share information about their pay. and i feel very strongly that women ought to get every opportunity and the same level of compensation as men. but i will tell you also -- jim: thank you. we are going to move on. i'm sorry. ms. mcginty. ms. mcginty: thanks. i believe this country was founded on a basic bargain -- you work hard, you get ahead. the truth is that families, women and families are working as hard as they know how, two jobs, three jobs, but they aren't keeping up with the cost of childcare, the cost of college, and just basic needs that every family has. i believe we need to honor hard work and, yes, i'm for increasing the minimum wage and enabling families to provide for themselves.

and i'm for ensuring that a woman doing the same job as a man is able to bring home that same paycheck. these are critical issues, and i do disagree with senator toomey. it's not enough to have platitudes or say that i think highly of women. families need income so that they can support themselves, and the senator has voted against equal pay. he's voted against increasing the minimum wage. he agrees with donald trump that the problem in this country's people are making too much. that's not what i see out there. he's voted many times against college affordability as well. this is about family needs, and i will fight for those families. jim: ms. mcginty, your opponents claim that you were handpicked to run for the senate by the democratic machine in washington and will be a rubber stamp for the democratic leadership and hillary clinton, should she be elected president. i think we all agree that voters like an independent voice. can you tell us about one issue

where you disagree with your party or your potential president? ms. mcginty: thanks, jim. i do stand with secretary clinton, because she is focused on standing up for families and rebuilding the middle class. i think it would be helpful at this late date in the election if senator toomey would similarly let voters know whether he is voting for donald trump or not. jim: we will get to that, ms. mcginty, but i'm asking you about an issue that you disagree. ms. mcginty: i have one litmus test in serving the people of this commonwealth, any issue, any idea, does it serve our interest as a state and the families working hard in this state? i will tell you there are some issues that i disagree with secretary clinton on. for example, i agree that it was wrong to set up guantanamo bay. we know that has been a tool that has been used against us by terrorists, as general petraeus and others have said. but i cannot today say we should

close guantanamo bay because i'm close guantanamo bay because i'm concerned we would have those who would return to the battlefield against us. i know this -- secretary clinton will fight for working families, and that's what i'm going to do as well. jim: mr. toomey, you've been taking a little heat for refusing to say if you will vote for donald trump for president. i know you have been waiting for this debate. i know you've been waiting for this moment to say whether or not you will vote for the nominee of your party. so is it yea or nay? sen. toomey: unlike katie mcginty, i am not a hyper partisan, reflexive ideologue who gives blind obedience to his nominee. katie mcginty does that. i don't. there are a lot of things that concern me a great deal about donald trump, and i've been very public about it. i have criticized him repeatedly, publicly, because i think he has said some terrible things. i think he has taken some badly flawed positions. and i acknowledge the nominee of my party is flawed.

katie mcginty is blindly obedient to hillary clinton and she cannot acknowledge a single flaw to what is on the democratic side what is the most badly flawed candidate in decades. she cannot even acknowledge the dishonesty we see from hillary clinton on a regular basis, maybe because katie mcginty began a campaign with a lie about her own background, claiming she was the first in her family to go to college, when she knew her older brother had gone to college and come back to temple for a graduate degree before she ever graduated from high school. maybe it's katie mcginty's problem with the truth that allows her to overlook hillary clinton's chronic lies. jim: so, i guess that means you have not been waiting for this debate. [laughter] sen. toomey: that's exactly right. jim: senator toomey, you know there are detractors of yours who will say that you are not completely disavowing trump

because you need his supporters to win this election. what do you say to that accusation? sen. toomey: i have refused to endorse donald trump. katie mcginty says that was supporting donald trump. that doesn't make any sense. look, the dilemma is this, jim, donald trump is a badly flawed candidate, as i said. but if he were president, he would probably sign a bill repealing obamacare, which we badly need. he would probably sign a bill that would restore sanctions on iran, which we badly need. so there is this dilemma. if hillary clinton is the president, we will have a doubling down on all the failed policies that have endangered us around the world, that have weakened our economy and that katie mcginty supports. like a lot of pennsylvanians i know, because i talk to them on a regular basis, who feel stuck, who feel that, i can't believe in a country of 300 million people, we've got these two choices, and katie mcginty can't acknowledge a single flaw in the nominee of her party. jim: i'm not going to badger you to say something that you are not going to say. don't you think your constituents, the people of

pennsylvania, deserve to know if you are going to support the nominee of your party? sen. toomey: i don't think my constituents care that much how one person is going to vote. they are going to make their own decision all across the commonwealth about whom they're going to support and whom they are not going to support. i think they care much more about whether i've got policies that are going to help grow this economy, whether i've got policies that are going to help keep us safe. that's the contrast on which they will make their decision. jim: you wanted to say something? ms. mcginty: i do. the senator is in a class of his own on this issue. he's the only person running for senate in the entire country who has not leveled with his constituents. here's what i want to share with people here. in philadelphia, the senator will say he has differences and disagreements with donald trump, but in other parts of the state, what we hear from the senator is how excited he will be to confirm president trump's supreme court nominees. in other parts of the state, we hear the senator saying that he thinks donald trump has put

forward incredibly constructive ideas. senator, in politics, the definition of courage and character is doing what's right even if it costs you votes. you have failed that test. sen. toomey: this is televised statewide, katie. i'm sorry if you didn't know that. [laughter] [applause] jim: let's move on. mr. toomey, the first american has been killed in the campaign to recapture mosul from isis. last february, you appeared to object to president obama's guarantee that the war against isis would never require american boots on the ground beyond our current advisory role. you said this, quote, "we have to recognize that the u.s. military has capabilities that no one else on the planet has and, if we're going to be successful in this, it's going to take american presence." in your estimation, sir, will it be necessary to send ground forces to fight isis? if a vote in the senate were to

come up to that effect, would you vote yes? sen. toomey: i don't it's going to take and i don't think it would be a good idea to launch a large-scale invasionary force. i think we have capabilities the iraqis don't have here they should have never been pulled out of iraq, then we might not be in this situation. we need people who can help with logistics, air traffic control, medical evacuation, technology the iraqis simply don't have. we must absolutely defeat isis. an even bigger medium-term threat for us is the rise of iran, the hegemony of iran and -- in the middle east, which is a direct result of president obama's very mistaken policy. this iran nuclear deal, which endangers all of us unbelievably and that katie mcginty fully supports -- what iran poses now is a very serious, nuclear armed, ballistic missile capable, regional threat that runs from afghanistan to the mediterranean. jim: we will talk about that.

sen. toomey: i hope we will. jim: what i want to know is, do you believe that americans should be deployed to the front lines to fight isis at some point in time? sen. toomey: as i said, i think it is the american contribution on the ground should be that of special ops, sophisticated -- i think it is leadership. i think the bulk of the ground forces need to come from the kurdish fighters, sunni arab states that will be absolutely necessary to secure the peace afterwards. america can provide leadership , logistics, and technologically sophisticated capabilities that others don't have. ms. mcginty: it's imperative that we defeat and destroy isis. i believe that means our airstrikes supporting local troops, not our combat troops. i think it means, second, that we have to cut off the financial lifeblood of isis, including their access to oil assets. third, we have to take them on in cyberspace as well. what's very troubling to me about senator toomey's record is

that he hasn't shown up for many of the key hearings and meetings. the senator has missed some 90% of the key committee hearings and meetings on our critical national security issues. and when the senator has shown up, his votes have been in the direction that takes down our security instead of enhances our security. for example, the senator voting against legislation that moved forward in closing some loopholes in our visa waiver program, critical legislation. the senator voted against not once, but twice the legislation that would close a loophole that allows terrorists to buy guns in our country. jim: a question for you on the economy. there is a frightening prospect for something called "a new normal" in the economy. a federal reserve economist just a week ago said that the long-term economic growth in

this country could actually settle at 1.5% for years to come. a new normal. that would mean slower economic growth, fewer jobs, workers' wages and living standards would increase more slowly or even fall in absolute terms. should you be elected, what would your specific blueprint be for fighting the new normal? ms. mcginty: i think we need to ensure that people have training and -- job-training and apprenticeship programs, skills development, so we can put people back to work in jobs like rebuilding our infrastructure. it's part of the reason, though, that we do need to pay people a decent wage and enable people to fully and engage in the -- people to engage fully in the workforce by helping them with the cost of childcare. that's why senator toomey's proposal to hold back economic growth -- small businesses are the engine of economic growth and job creation. that's why learning that senator

toomey had launched a bank, his bank has foreclosed in such a predatory behavior against small businesses right here in pennsylvania, killing jobs, hurting those businesses, that senator toomey's own bank's practices are literally considered illegal and predatory in 30-plus states. that's a track record of the senator is working for himself and his own profitability, but he has certainly hurt those small businesses that were creating good jobs. jim: mr. toomey? sen. toomey: i want to talk about the small business background that i have with my family and how we get this economy going, but i can't let pass -- she just raised this, jim, and said something of shocking hypocrisy. she was referring to a legal device called a confession of judgment. she has scripted ads that have gone on tv, attacking me because of a bank using this. those ads were taken down today because they are so blatantly dishonest.

they are off the air across the state because of the lies. but it's worse. it's worse because, the fact is, when katie mcginty was the secretary of the dep, she, through the dep, used the exact same device on their own credit extension. she has the nerve to attack me for what a bank did, a bank that i was an investor in, when she was using the exact same device herself. this is what people are disgusted about with politics, when people like katie mcginty will be so hypocritical and just won't tell the truth. let me get back to the economic issue. jim: you've run out of time now, sir. [applause] jim: hopefully there will be an opportunity later in the debate. sen. toomey: maybe katie will

respond. jim: here's the problem. i want to ask a question about your role as a member of the banking committee and your equity in the bank, and i wanted to ask a question about your experience with nrc energy, and some of the charges that have been leveled against you. you have taken time away from an opportunity to answer that question, and now you don't have time to answer the question about the economy. maybe you will figure out a way to put that in later in the debate. mr. toomey, in june of this year, the pennsylvania house approved a bill to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy instead of the current 24. opponents of the bill say it is necessary to prevent fetuses from feeling pain during abortion. opponents say it is an effort by a republican-controlled legislative body that is 82% male to limit a woman's right to abortion. what do you say?

sen. toomey: here's what i say. this is a really tough issue, and there are good people on both sides of this issue, good people that i'm very close to on both sides of this issue. the reason it's tough? because it pits two competing values. on the one hand, there is the value of personal autonomy. that's very important all of us. on the other hand, there's the importance of the sanctity of an innocent human life. when those two clash, for me, i come down on the side of life, so i am pro-life. i accept that, under particularly excruciating circumstances like rape, incest, or life of the mother, i would accept exceptions in those cases because they are so tough. but i think what we ought to do as a society is see where we can find common ground on a really tough issue. there has long been a consensus on a couple things.

one, you don't perform an abortion on a baby that's about to be delivered. someone that's very far along, a seven pound baby girl, kicking in her mother's womb, but katie mcginty is fine with that. there's no point at which abortion should be unacceptable for her. we've agreed for decades that we don't use taxpayer funding to pay for these abortions because of the difficulty of this issue, but again, katie mcginty disagrees with that. jim: your response? ms. mcginty: i do stand for the right of women to make incredibly difficult decisions that are medically complex privately, with her family, with her doctor, in conversation with her god. but you know, the senator paints gruesome pictures. i got a call couple weeks ago from a gentleman from southwestern pennsylvania. that gentleman shared a story that just underscores for me this is a decision for parents, for families, not for politicians. the room was painted. the baby furniture was purchased. the teddy bears were purchased. and it was very late in his wife's pregnancy, when a terrible condition with the baby was understood, and they had to make an excruciating decision to terminate that pregnancy.

so, this should not be about politics. your position on this has been decidedly out of the mainstream, joining with donald trump in saying that women or their doctors should have to be jailed for having to make these excruciating decisions. that's not right. jim: thank you very much. we are going to take a one minute break. [applause] we will be back, live from temple university, in 60 seconds. ♪ ♪ jim: it is the debate. i don't know if you heard any of that.

we are back live at temple university, the debate between toomey and mcginty, one of the highest profile senate races in the country. we have invited our candidates to come off the podium for this segment. one has come and one has decided to stay. sen. toomey: i'm going to join you. jim: thank you, sir. we are going to start with a question that was sent to us on twitter. we can start with ms. mcginty. this is from -- it should be on the screen here. here we go. "how will you proceed with the future stalemate over filling the supreme court seat?" ms. mcginty: the constitution says clearly it is the job of united states senators to consider, advise, and consent on judicial nominees. unfortunately, senator toomey has joined the cabal that now has made a historical milestone that is not a proud one -- the

longest extent of time that a nominee has been hanging out without an appropriate hearing. and it's not the first time that senator toomey has been harshly and determinedly partisan about a position that needs to be above politics. not long ago, he single-handedly held up for some 400 days judge louis restrepo and recently put president obama on notice about another nominee, rebecca heywood, from allegheny county, that the senator won't even meet with her, won't even allow her to proceed toward hearing. i would do my job. let's get to work. the hearing and review of these nominees that we are supposed to do. it's not hard. jim: mr. toomey? sen. toomey: this is another one of those "she was the first in her family to go to college"

stories. i supported judge restrepo. that was all the way through the process. the supreme court, prior to the passing of justice scalia, was roughly balanced. there were decisions that conservatives like. there were decisions that liberals like katie mcginty like. the obamacare decision. scalia's passing, the question arises, will the court be in balance or will it swing to the left or the right? and in the heat of an election, with a new president coming in in just a few months, this is an opportunity to let the next president decide. that's my judgment. that's exactly what we should do. i will take a backseat to no one for the work that i've done in confirming judges for the federal bench. senator casey and i, working together in the six years i've been in the senate, we have confirmed 16 federal judges. 16. those are mostly democrats, because that's the nature of the arrangement when there is a democrat in the white house. but i worked with senator casey to confirm 16 federal judges to the bench, more than any other state in the union except california and new york.

jim: we have some questions from students at temple university. they are video questions. the first one comes from morgan. mr. toomey, you will answer it first. let's look at the screen. >> college debt is a very huge concern among college students across the nation. how would you plan to reduce the student debt for all students? sen. toomey: so, college debt is a big problem. i grew up in a blue-collar, working-class family. we couldn't afford the tuition for college, so, what we did was what a lot of families do, it was a combination of pell grants, student loans, and working my way through school. that's how my brothers and sisters and i were able to go through college. i think that combination makes sense. i have supported pell grants and increasing pell grants and i voted for legislation that puts a cap on student loans.

the student needs to bear some of the burden for the education that will help them to earn more over the course of their life. the most important thing we can do is make sure that a graduating student has great job opportunities. katie mcginty is doubling down on the failed policies of the obama administration that don't create the kind of opportunities that allow students to have the income to pay off student debt. that's something we have to change. ms. mcginty: that is an interesting story from senator toomey, however, the record is quite different. look, there are many things we can do to bring down the cost of college. we have low interest rates. let's let families refinance outstanding student loans. senator toomey said no. i'm glad you benefited from pell grants. unfortunately, you voted to cut $90 billion out of that program. even though 300,000 of your constituents depend on the program. and look, middle-class families are struggling out there. bipartisan legislation that enabled an extended middle-class tax cut, so that families could afford college, and senator, you voted against that critical legislation.

look, college is an important piece of enabling families to have the skills and opportunities they need. opportunities they need. we can get this done. i was proud working with governor wolf to restore funding for public colleges and universities, and we made a deal with the presidents of those universities to get more state money. you have to put a lid on the cost of college. jim: thank you. our next question from eagleville, pennsylvania. we are talking about a freshman majoring in bioengineering. let's look at that question. you will be the first to answer, ms. mcginty. >> my question for the candidate is the big question we have in this election is how will we make sure that hard-working americans, who do their hard work and their fair share, will have a job in the future, and how can we make sure our economy is doing well and will continue to do well for future generations?

ms. mcginty: thank you for that question. look, i think we had huge opportunities out there. i meet with ceos of small businesses and big businesses. they say they need skilled workers today. but we have gotten away from things like job training and apprenticeship programs. i would step up and i would support that. and i proudly stand with secretary clinton in saying that community college ought to be part of the high school and extended certification and job training experience. i support making community college available. it's another way kids and families can afford college. when we have those skills -- when i was secretary of environmental protection, i was proud to put the skills to work. we brought 3000 jobs in renewable energy manufacturing here to pennsylvania. unfortunately, senator toomey, if it is not fossil fuel dirty energy, he's not for it. he worked to kill the tax credit to cut those 3000 jobs here. follow the money. one of the single biggest recipients of big oil money in the u.s. congress.

jim: mr. toomey. sen. toomey: yes, follow the money. the 3000 jobs katie mcginty brags about came because she funneled your money to a foreign company to come here, set up a subsidiary. they rewarded her very handsomely. she became a multimillionaire by serving on the board of this company, rewarding her for your money going to them. then they folded up shop. every pennsylvania worker lost their job. pennsylvania taxpayers lost their money. but it worked ok for katie. she became a multimillionaire. that's very nice. that is not how you grow an economy. the other way you don't grow an economy is by repeatedly raising taxes on the middle class. katie mcginty has raised taxes on the middle class on every job she held in government. when she was chief of staff for tom wolfe, they proposed a massive tax increase. tax, it wassales

the biggest tax increase since the creation of the income tax. the fact is, we need lower taxes. that is what i have been working on since i got into public life. we need to push back on the crazy overregulation holding the economy back. that will help us create jobs and get prosperity we've been waiting for. [applause] jim: john harris from nazareth, pennsylvania, is a freshman here at temple, majoring in secondary education. he has this question. mr. toomey, you will be first to answer. >> what are you going to do to bring green energy to the state of pennsylvania, rather than focusing mainly on fossil fuel energies? sen. toomey: i think the question was about green energy. my view on energy is whatever makes economic sense is what we ought to have. if it makes economic sense to have windmills, and in some parts of the country it does, then that is what we ought to do. katie mcginty's strategy is to use massive taxpayer subsidies to subsidize inefficient sources of energy that make no economic sense. that makes us poorer as a country. even on the upfront cash isn't enough to keep them going. she wants you to have to continue an ongoing subsidy to these companies. it is called the wind production tax credit that forces your dollars to go to people who cannot produce energy efficiently. taxpayer loses. the economy loses.

everyone has a higher electric bill thanks to katie mcginty, because she forced companies to buy inefficient and expensive sources. it doesn't make sense. as technology advances, we will have the ability to generate more electricity from the sun, the wind, and as that happens, it will be available and we will buy it. jim: thank you, sir. sen. toomey: in the meantime, we

should stick with low-cost energy. ms. mcginty: i think it's interesting the senator should say that the energy companies need to make it on their own, but he's one of the biggest defenders of billions of dollars every year of tax breaks to big oil. i don't know about you, but i think exxon mobil can afford to pay a few bucks in taxes. let's talk about taxes. his whole campaign is based on things that independent fact checkers have repeatedly chastised, because his ads have been untrue, false, misleading. here is the real tax record for senator toomey. so far out of the mainstream, senator toomey has said repeatedly that his view is that the answer is we eliminate all corporate taxes. that is a $473 billion a year giveaway to his buddies in big business. they rewarded him handsomely, as he's one of the single largest recipients of cash from them. but who pays the bills? the senator's bills would increase taxes on middle-class families by $3000 a year. jim: thank you, ms. mcginty. ms. mcginty: he has voted against taxes for middle-class families for college. jim: we will have the opportunity to talk about taxes when we come back. we also want to thank our students who have supplied their questions, and also on social media. we will take a quick break and we will be back.

♪ ♪ jim: we are back live on the campus of temple university. we are having a good discussion, i think. we hope that you feel that as well. as for the candidates, has this been good for you so far? ms. mcginty: i wouldn't have missed it for the world. [laughter] jim: i want to ask a quick question of both of you. i'm just looking for quick impressions. you don't have to take the full minute. close to $100 million has been raised for this campaign. most of that money has gone to television ads across the state. it seems most of those ads have been harsh, bitter attacks against your opponent. here's my question.

when voters hear this bad stuff about each of you for months, on end, every time they turn on the television, doesn't that contribute to the general sense of distrust in and distaste for politics and government that we have been hearing so much about recently? mr. toomey, you first. sen. toomey: there's no question there's been a staggering amount of money spent and a staggering amount of ads. katie mcginty will decry citizens united, but she is the big beneficiary of it. outside groups have spent far more on her behalf there may have -- then may have against me. i suggested as a way to fight back against this, that we have five debates across the commonwealth. five debates so we can get into more in-depth discussions rather

than 30 second sound bites. she refused. i don't think it is fair to paint everybody with the same broad brush. there's only one campaign that their ads had to be taken down because they were flagrantly dishonest. that is katie mcginty. that makes a difference. frankly, katie tends to deny many of the things she has done. go to my website. you can see, we have documented the fact that the dep under her leadership used confession of judgment. we have documented the fact that she scripted the ad that had to be taken down. we have documented the dishonesty that has really been a problem in this campaign. ms. mcginty: what is dishonest is what the senator has just said. there is actually only one candidate on this stage who had to take his ad down, and that was senator toomey. my campaign has had to take no ads down. there's only one person standing on this stage, who repeatedly, independent fact checkers have said that senator toomey's ads are false and misleading. no wonder the senator doesn't want us to look at his record. the record of owning a bank and foreclosing on constituents.

talk let's alk about -- about politics, though. i am proud to have the endorsement of an organization called end citizens united. it is dedicated to getting dark, secret money out of politics. senator toomey had a chance to vote on that and voted against overturning citizens united. no wonder. senator toomey has more money coming in from organizations like the koch brothers than just about any candidate in the country. he has 100% voting record doing the bidding of organizations like the koch brothers. jim: thank you. i'm not sure your respective answers have done anything to distrust and distaste. [laughter]

jim: let's go on. "the washington post" did a study of all police involved shooting in 2015 and found that black men, who represent 6% of the population, accounted for 40% of the unarmed men shot to death by police. i think we all agree that the vast majority of police officers are extraordinarily brave and noble men and women, but do you think these numbers show that there is institutional bias in america's police department? ms. mcginty: we've made a lot of progress as a country in terms of taking on racism and discrimination, but we by no means have fully succeeded in eradicating racism and discrimination from our society. let me say in my faith traditions that i am happy to say black lives matter. from where i stand, when we recognize the dignity of all people, we are all lifted up. when any person is denied dignity, we are taken down. i say that also as the daughter of a policeman, who revered the work of law enforcement. our family would say goodbye to dad in the morning, and we did not know after he walked his feet would he be coming back home. that is why i have moved forward to say, let's give the police force the equipment they need, double the community policing programs, and make sure they have equipment and resources to

be active in the community. senator toomey has pushed a punish the police bill that would strip law enforcement of critical resources. i know that works from a tea party point of view, take any government program away. but it hurts our safety, security and community. jim: forgive me -- do you think there is institutional bias? ms. mcginty: i think that we still have work to do. i agree with your assessment. we have good men and women. but we have to look into our own hearts. we have not eradicated racism, discrimination, sexism. we have work to do in society. jim: thank you. mr. toomey. sen. toomey: there's no question there are bad apples in any walk of life. any profession has some. i've seen videos of young black men being shot under circumstances that are very, very disturbing.

i immediately called for a thorough investigation and holding people accountable for any wrongdoing. but i'm absolutely convinced that the vast majority of police men and women across the commonwealth and our country are not racist. they are trying to do the very best they can to protect us. the problem with the black lives matter movement and katie mcginty propagating this, is the phrase itself is meant to impugn the integrity of the police by implying they don't think black lives do matter. and in fact, it is my view all lives matter, and i think police get that. i think police get that. [applause] jim: ladies and gentlemen, please. please. sen. toomey: i will simply finish by observing that i respect and honor the years that katie mcginty's father spent on the philadelphia police force, but the philadelphia police have

endorsed me in this campaign, as have every other major police organization in the commonwealth. [applause] jim: come on guys, please you have been great until now. millions of americans are irate that their premiums and deductibles have gone up under the affordable care act. proponents explain that much of the high premiums are due to the fact that insurance companies can no longer deny americans with pre-existing conditions, and cannot charge higher rates based on health status or gender. my question is -- do you dispute that, and do you bring costs down, while still ensuring high risk americans that couldn't get insurance before obamacare?

sen. toomey: first of all, that's not causing the problem with obama care. the problem is it is fundamentally flawed. we were sold a whole bill of goods from day one. we were told if you wanted to keep your insurance, you could keep it, when they knew they were systematically forbidding whole categories. we were told, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. no, you can't. the new insurance plans were designed to exclude doctors people were satisfied with. we were told the average family would save $2500. it is the exact opposite. costs have gone through the roof. today, it is in a death spiral. it is collapsing. 40% of pennsylvanians in the individual market have only one choice. you can't fix it, because it is based on a fundamentally flawed design that puts the government in control of something that ought to be determined by mom and dad around the kitchen table, not a federal bureaucracy. what i think what we ought to do is repeal obamacare completely. we will have to have a transition for people receiving subsidies. we cannot pull the rug out from under them. we need to move in a direction where individuals can control their health care. ms. mcginty: my question is, where has the senator been?

he's been in washington for 18 years. this is obviously a critically important issue. where is the legislation? we need to make sure to bring down the cost of prescription drugs. where is your legislation to make sure people have full choice and the doctors they get to see? look, i would take action. i think it is important that people not lose their health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. i think it is important we not kick people off of health insurance because they have a chronic disease, and they hit a cap. we have to bring the cost down. there are things we can do, i will do, that the senator won't. first and foremost, we have to take on big pharmaceutical companies. we are the only country in the world where federal law prohibits us from negotiating down the cost of prescription drugs, with the consequence that we pay sometimes 10 times as much for the very same drug. i will take that on, but the senator is a little too close to big pharma and big insurance.

he will complain, but he has done nothing to fix the problem. jim: let's talk about iran. you have expressed your complete support for the nuclear deal. since that deal was signed, iran has fired four nuclear capable ballistic missiles, two of them with the word israel must be wiped out written in hebrew. iran has also held 10 american sailors hostage at gunpoint. has any of this ever given you pause that may be the iran nuclear deal wasn't such a good idea? ms. mcginty: i think this underscores the fact that iran is not a friend of the united states.