i look at one of the state races this year. can see jim clyburn and vice president joe biden campaigning on behalf of his former aide fran person. a quotation from the democratic candidate who is trying to unseat mike mulvaney. in: by south carolina republicans, congressman mulvaney leads mr. person 58% to 21%. paul ryan tweeting about his support of candidates.

the speaker hit the campaign trail for several gop congressional candidates this election year. a reporter with real clear politics talked about how the presidential nominee donald trump has impacted some of the down ballot races. >> 17 states, 42 cities. that has been the schedule for paul ryan as he campaigns to keep the majority in the house and the senate. joining us on the phone is james arkin is following this for real clear politics. what has been paul ryan's message? >> paul's message has been that no matter what the circus is going to be, what he is trying to do is convince voters that they need a republican majority in the house. you see him holding up his pamphlet for his better way

agenda that he developed earlier this year with house leaders. he is talking about what he wants house republicans to be able to pass if they maintain the majority. he is not really talking about the top of the ticket unless he is criticizing hillary clinton. we have this agenda, we hope to pass it through the house, but you need to send us back with a house majority. he has done campaigning telling them they need congressional majorities to be able to pass his agenda. he is hinting that it would be helpful to have a republican in the white house to sign that agenda. >> has he faced political head campaign, or trunk are republicans coming home, and house republicans running or rerunning for election? >> no doubt he and other republicans in the house have faced some headwinds from donald trump.

there are signs that donald trump's poll numbers are bottoming out. this could cause problems for republicans down ballot. there is also the question of whether certain republicans who have walked away from donald trump or been issue washy on whether they have supported him will face some backlash. the most ardent supporters are frustrated at the party has not been behind him fully. we have seen donald trump tweeting and in some interviews saying negative things and going after paul ryan. paul ryan has not pushed back. there are definite head winds from donald trump for republicans in terms of whether they can convince moderates who are turned off by them and bring trump supporters home to candidates who have not supported trump. >> the one october surprise came last friday. the fbi announcing it would take a look at some new hillary clinton e-mails. national polls right now today

indicate it may not have a significant impact on her race. my question, some are theories and -- theorizing it could have an impact on house races. >> most of the people i have talked to from both parties agree with that assessment. in terms of how voters think about hillary clinton that cake is baked. you either have a real problem with it or you don't think it is a big deal. either way, you will not be swayed one way or another coming from the fbi on friday. it's an interesting question, whether this will have an impact on the ballot. you talk to some democrats and it could energize some of the supporters who might have thought this race was a done deal. maybe they are not totally motivated to go to the polls but now they see the race tightening a little bit or it could just

re-energize their feelings that hillary clinton has been treated unfairly. republicans dismiss that argument. they think it is spin from democrats and republicans think this could help them in the sense that some republican voters who are turned off by trump don't support him as the nominee, but do not like clinton either could be re-energized to go to the polls. they want a check and a balance on the election. it's an argument that a lot of republicans have been making down ballot. they need a republican congress in place. they are hopeful that if the conversation is about hillary clinton, about her e-mails and the fbi potentially investigating some of the e-mails, some voters who may not have wanted to go to the polls because of their feelings about donald trump will have changed their mind. want republicans in place

to block hillary clinton. it is difficult to predict. it comes down to whether one side or the other sees an increase in turnout or energy from their voters based on this. >> one week before the november eight election, what will it take for democrats to recapture control of the house. what are you looking at? what are the for the democrats taking over, or the republicans keeping the majority? >> i think the outs for democrats taking over are pretty low. i don't think it is a 0% chance it happens, but a lot has to fall in place the right way. they need a democratic base to turnout in high numbers. basically the same numbers as a president obama win in 2008 or better. they need republican turn out to be depressed in some of these swing districts, not to show up at the polls at all.

they need donald trump's whole numbers to really -- the bottom to fall out. they need a big hillary clinton win, pushing high single digits. right now you look at the generic ballot in terms of congressional races, 3.7 percentage point they don't think that is big enough for democrats to take back the house. most analysts think 15 to 20 seats could be a higher mark for them, which would be a good night for democrats but would leave them 10 short of the 30 they need to put the house. we are looking at democratic gains, potentially large democratic gains. unless a lot of things fall into place on election night we are looking at democrats falling short and republicans holding onto majority. >> has speaker ryan been effective on the campaign trail for his fellow house republicans? >> he has.

he has got near universal name recognition. he brings news attention. cut ads with to him, he is popular with republicans, and the other thing he does he brings a lot of money , to the table. he will be doing an event with -- barbarastruct comstock in virginia. the last time he was there, he brought in $400,000. he has given tens of millions to the nrc sec. i think he has been very effective for down ballot republicans. >> the polling and reporting available at real clear politics.com. james arkin, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. >> paul ryan has been campaigning for nevada and

crescent hardy. he talks about the better way, decompress it -- congressional agenda, and it focuses on fighting poverty. [applause] >> i would like to make a few points. thank you. thank you for being here. thank you for helping and supporting crescent hardy. this man has a big heart and broaden shoulders. one of his first -- he has been coming ever since. here is what we are trying to achieve. this is why he has a great voice. we have an agenda that we are running on and talking about. you may not have heard about it because there is a lot of things going on. we call it a better way. here is what number one of our

six-part plan is, fight poverty. go at the root causes of poverty. [applause] here is the way we see things. all the great ideas are not out there in washington dc. we are not listening to the technocrats in washington. if we do that, then we will get more of the same. we are in year 51 of this big war on poverty. unfortunately, poverty is winning this war. we are taking a new approach. our approach is, come to our communities and find out what is working. how do we get behind them and then measure success in this battle for upward mobility. this will replace poverty with opportunity. measure success based on results. too much what government does is it sees success as effort. how many programs are we creating?

we spent $800 billion a year on different programs and we think success is more of that. we need to measure success is are we getting people out of poverty. let's go at the root causes. this is why i am so excited to hear with crescent hardy. he is one of the architects of this plan. man with a big heart who says i don't have all the answers but i will go where they are. when i see these great things happening, i will get behind them. the key to winning this, to replacing poverty with eye, souly is eye to to soul, community by community. let me point to one man, john ponder. he is someone we a attention to. someone that we learn from.

program is asoners beautiful manifestation of the idea we are talking about. he is getting people coming out of prison, working with law enforcement and the faith community to get people's lives rebuilt and making redemption work. we need to respect that and not replace it. what we are trying to do is get everybody to come together. this is not a partisan thing. this is a what works thing. how do we take sure that we respect these front-line poverty fighters, how do we respect local communities and take his great ideas that work and make sure they are spread around the country. so we can see this moment for what it is, a moment where we reclaim the american idea. you know what the american idea is? the condition of your worth does not determine the outcome of your life. you can make it in this country. the problem we have today is there are a lot of people who don't see that.

a lot of people who do not believe it. there are communities and generations, it is passing them by. if it is not true for everybody than it is in true after all, is it? this is our mission. this is number one in our agenda. how do we restore the american idea for everybody. we do that by listening, by learning by going with what the greaty supporting poverty fighters. i want to thank you all. we have an election in 10 days. in this man, crescent hardy, he is fighting for you. he has a big heart. he is working hard. he sees the struggle that is happening in nevada's fourth district. he is going to bat for you every day. i want to thank you and ask you, go fight for crescent hardy because he will keep fighting

for you. thank you very much and god bless you. [applause] ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪

♪ >> c-span will have live coverage today with rallies from both presidential nominees. donald trump and mike pence in eau claire, wisconsin starting at 8:00.

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a conservative political perspective on the mike gallagher show, live from new york city, all this week live on c-span2. in the missouri-u.s. senate ine, income and roy blunt is a deadlock with jason kander. politico tweeting a link to their race showing blood with 47% support to mr. kander percent 46%. roy blunt talked with supporters in washington, missouri about his priorities if reelected. the crowd also heard from state treasurer eric schmidt. sen. blunt:'s is democrat jason kander.

>> good morning, everyone. thank you for being here. we are pleased and honored to have senator roy blunt with us today. a special welcome to all our employees, but also our visitors today. we are glad you are here. senator blunt and his team and i just had a nice little tour around the plant, and i am always so proud to show off the work that you all do here. that was a great opportunity. we had the opportunity to chat, and i can see right away that senator blunt shares a lot of the same values that we all hold dear. like good jobs, strong families,

and protection of personal freedoms and a strong national security system, less government, all of those things. i got a strong sense of that today, talking to the senator. i'm glad he is here to talk to us for a few minutes. with no further ado, please help me in welcoming the senator from missouri, roy blunt. [applause] sen. blunt: thanks, all of you. great to be here with you today. hopefully this does not slow down the day so much that you cannot recapture what needs to be done on a friday at work. i'm glad to be here. when i was talking to arnie today, he said one of the greatest things that ever happened to his family was moving to washington, missouri and getting to raise their kids here like you are raising our family here. one of my favorite towns.

i was glad to have, earlier this week, the endorsement of bill miller at "the washington missourian" for reelection. what i'm really glad to have is the opportunity, if things go the way i think they're going to go, to continue to fight for more jobs and less government. we are really at an incredibly important time, where lots of good things are logically about to happen where we live unless somehow we figure out how to stop them from happening. the world food demand is going to double in 30 or 40 years. the biggest area of commerce on any given day will be twice as big 35 or 40 years from now, as it is today. i was raised on a dairy farm. we understand where we live, not only are we in the middle of the biggest contiguous piece of agricultural ground in the world -- the mississippi river valley -- the best farmers, the best ranchers, the best ag research

institutions, and maybe most importantly, the best way to get things all over the world of anywhere in the world. i work in washington, i don't work in jefferson city, but i was there talking to the general assembly. there was a five-year highway bill, which we finally got done after 37 short-term extensions under president obama -- can't build roads and bridges, two years or six months or 90 days there was a five-year highway at a time -- we finally got a highway bill. i said it matters to the country, but it matters more to us because it is one of our competitive advantages. if you look at the highway map of america or the river map or railroad map, on any of those three maps, if you look at where the map most logically comes together, you are pretty much looking at our backyard. so the things that grow that economy -- if world food demand

doubles, that is not just production and agriculture, that is transportation, insurance, i.t., equipment, blasting equipment, things that get inland ports more prepared to do what they need to do then they would do otherwise. we are working real hard, both in the missouri legislature and me chairing the mississippi river caucus, to look at the mississippi river reports as one system. the inland ports are almost always ports where you are selling something to somebody else. they are export ports. nothing wrong with buying things from other people, but it almost always feels better to sell things to other people than to buy things from other people and create the jobs we have here. anytime our economy returns to an economy where people are growing things and making things -- things like you make right

here -- that is always better for the middle of the country. we are closer to the resources of the country, closer to both the international and national distribution center of the country, close to a great workforce. if you are going to make something in america today, the first two boxes you have to check our, can we pay the utility bill and does the transportation system work? if not, you don't get to the third box, which is, who has the best workforce and places where you can pay the utility bill and the transportation system works? people want to bring jobs back to this country. we just need to be sure we're not building needless barriers that stop that from happening. the epa has a power rule that is in court right now challenging, rightly so, whether the epa has

the right to do whether they are proposing they can do. what they would do is basically have a war on coal-fired plants for utilities. we are the fourth most dependent state in the country on coal-fired utilities, the cleanest, most efficient coal-fired utilities anybody has ever had. but in our state, if they get that rule through, the average utility bill will double in 10 or 12 years. who is most impacted by that -- struggling families. people who can barely pay their utility bill now, the last people who will get the energy-efficient appliances and new windows and more insulation are people who already are having a hard time paying their utility bill. the next thing that happens is the jobs that would occur at today's utility bill, many of them would not occur. we have got more american energy than anyone would have dreamed possible 20 years ago.

who would think the government response would be, let's raise everybody's utility bills? when in fact the government response should be, how can we do that, too manage to have a competitive utility structure that leads to more jobs? i think the obama administration, and of the problems the last eight years is they always seem to be more focused on what the world should look like 25 years from now than on whether people have better jobs next month and next year. if people have better jobs, the world will look a whole lot better 25 years from now than if people don't. we need to be doing common sense things. the other rule out there the epa has is called the waters of the u.s. rule. they have decided that while they have jurisdiction over navigable water, an area of

commerce you can move something on, they had decided that means any water that can run into any water that can run into any water that could run into the mississippi river, which would be navigable water -- i mean, the missouri river. in our state, the epa map that the farm bureau believes would be covered on anything involving water. any building permit, any determination to set a utility pole, resurface your driveway -- 99.7% of missouri would be under the control of the epa for those issues. if you really want to slow down our economy, those are two good ways to do it -- raise the utility bill and put the epa in charge of anything involving water. fighting those regulations, i think i should have to vote on any regulation that has any significant economic

consequence. the people need to be responsible for those rules and regulations. i have sponsored legislation like that for a long time. the last couple of congresses with rand paul. by the way, donald trump says he would sign a bill, if we put that bill on his desk. a president that will fight regulators, a president that will realize that obamacare is a disaster. you have pretty good health care here, arnie and i talked about that, and your company has worked hard to provide pretty good health care that quicker than you know it might be taxed as part of the cadillac plan. i'm not for that. but i'm also not for families not having choices. under the current law, starting next year -- that means starting with the sign-up on november 1 -- 97 of our 114 counties will only have one insurance company

offering insurance individuals. 97 of 114 counties, no competition, one company. even bill clinton got this right -- making a speech, he said this health care plan is the craziest hing ever. he said the costs keep going up, and the benefits keep going down. just yesterday, president obama said, well really, that is not my fault. well, who's fault is it if it is not his fault? exactly. exactly. i was sitting by somebody on an airplane the other day, flying home to springfield, missouri, where i live. self-employed. only way to get his insurance is on the exchange. looked like he was mid-to-late 40's. we talked about his business. i said, what do you do about your insurance? he said in 2008 and 2009, my wife and i and our two girls, and we had been fortunate to be healthy, we were paying about $300 a month our insurance, and it was the insurance we thought

we needed. right now, we are paying $1139 a month for our insurance, and we have a $7,500 deductible on top of that. before the insurance company would pay anything. if two people in our family are ick that year, we have to meet the $7,500 deductible twice before they pay anything. and everybody here knows that is really not insurance at all for any of our families. you are paying $15,000 in premiums, and if you get sick, you may pay another $15,000 before the insurance company ays. and then, you may have to pay part of what has to be paid after that. it is outrageous. absolutely outrageous. what he is going to find is his insurance is going to go up somewhere in the neighborhood of 40% this year. not only one company offering insurance in 97 counties, but

that one company will be offering insurance at whatever rate the state of missouri --which has not disclosed yet what the new rates are -- at whatever rate they had to give those companies to get them to continue to be even the one company that offers insurance under this crazy plan. so we need to be much more focused on opportunity and jobs and more jobs and less government, and also focused on who we have always been. the other day i went to marshfield high school. marshfield, missouri. it was the anniversary of the building where i got my first job teaching high school history. the first person in my family to ever get a job that you had to have a college degree for, because i was the first person in my family to have a college degree. my grandfather's last job had been the janitor at the building. that is not a bad story. but in our country, there are a million stories better than that

one. i think the president has, over and over again, refused to talk about the exceptional nature of ho we are. i don't know how long you can have the leader of the country not believe we are exceptional and people still understand how extraordinary it is to be ere. you know, the high school janitor's grandson, a dairy farmer's son becomes a united states senator, and nobody thinks that is unusual, because we live in united states of america. we do not want to lose that you the next senate in the next president, more than any any senate or president in a long time or for a long time, is also going to define the supreme court. so when you are talking to your friends about this, there are lots of supreme court decisions over the last few years that have been 5-4. and by the way, once you get on the court, you stay there a long time. antonin scalia, the one vacancy,

who died earlier this year, was appointed by president reagan. he served for 26 years after reagan left the white house, and 12 years after reagan died. and he was the fifth vote in many of those 5-4 decisions. so we know there is one vacancy. looking at the age of the court, you have to assume there will be two. i would not be surprised if there were three. matter of fact, i would bet three, and i would not be surprised if there were four. all of those 5-4 decisions that are out there in the future, are going to be decided by the next president and the next senate. the heller case, the second amendment case, was 5-4. 5-4. i have an a from the nra, my opponent has an f.

and when he was in the legislature, less than 10% of the general assembly figured out how to get the f. you have to work hard to get the f. he earned it the old-fashioned way. he worked for it. i have an a. the partial-birth abortion case upheld the ability of the government to say, you cannot do that at that point in a pregnancy, that was 5-4. the hyde amendment case was 5-4, there was a freedom of speech case that was 5-4 that mrs. clinton says every day she wants to reverse that freedom of speech case, that was 5-4. we are at a critical moment. so when you're talking to your friends, the one thing to tell them is that while every election is important, this one is an election that is not going to come around for a long time. it is going to determine who we are for a generation by determining the court, by deciding if we are going to get the regulators under control or not, by deciding what health

care is going to have more choices and more competition for -- or are we going to have a government option. you can't compete against the government, so anybody who says they are for the government option is really for the government takeover of health care. i need your help. i look forward to having your help. one other thing happening in our state this year, we have five state officials up for election -- state offices up for election, people who work in jefferson city. the governor, the lieutenant governor, the secretary of state, the state treasurer, the attorney general -- nobody that has those offices today is running for any of them. we are going to make a decision about five new people that are going to be important in leading the state for a long time. we have a general assembly now that constantly has to override the governor's veto.

it should not take two thirds of the general assembly to get anything done that really matters, so the governor's race matters. but it also matters any time you invite somebody to come to your community, speak at a high school graduation or the lions club or cut a ribbon on the opening of a building. we have state officials who believe that the people in our state are bigger than the government, rather than the government bigger than the people. who believe we ought to be focused on finding more jobs for people that they can raise families with and have stronger families instead of finding more programs -- government programs -- for people to be on. we are deciding that this year as well. and one of those people is here. i'm going to let him finish up. eric schmitt, a current state senator, a guy who i think is going to be an important leader in our state for a long time. he is one of the new voices. all of those offices are going to have somebody new in them.

i think we ought to have somebody in them who agrees with the vision for missouri and missouri families that you and i share. thank you all for letting me be here. eric schmitt. [applause] mr. schmitt: thank you. this race now is getting national attention. you may have noticed a camera here covering this. that is because this is an incredibly important senate race. as roy mentioned, the fate of the united states supreme court, not just for the next four years, but for the next 40 years hangs in the balance, along with other issues. i have been campaigning across the state. i have never campaigned or worked with somebody who works as hard as roy blunt. he is a strong voice for us in the united states senate, and we need to send him back. [applause] mr. schmitt: roy mentioned something that i think is important. the idea of american exceptionalism. for me -- we talk a lot about the constitution and it is really important. but before there was a

constitution, there was something -- the declaration of independence. really what that document represents is a mission statement for the country, who we are supposed to be. and we are guaranteed not by government but by god the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. those three words -- "pursuit of happiness" -- were really never used before in the course of human history. it defines what it means to be an american, that you can come here from somewhere else and you can pursue your dreams. and that your kids and your grandkids will have those opportunities, too. and i think what happens -- and where we are now is it is easy to get caught up in the back-and-forth and soundbites and who said what and the polls, but what is really at stake in just a few days is whether or not that is the country we are going to remain to be. that, like my family, who came over from germany -- there is a lot of german heritage in this town -- they wanted a better

life six generations ago, so they settled in missouri. and when my grandfather came back from world war ii, he started a butcher shop with an eighth grade education. he lived the american dream. my dad worked there, went to night school while working during the day. i saw how hard he worked. he worked at anheuser-busch seven days a week of the midnight shift. that work ethic that made this company a great company is what defines what it means to be an american. that is true at the national and also true at the state level. missouri, we can do better. there are states surrounding us that are doing more bigger and bolder things. every state around us -- except for the state of illinois, and we do not want to emulate illinois -- is lowering taxes. my time in the senate, we overrode the governor to pass the first tax cut in 100 years. so we got a lot more to do. there is a lot at stake. there is more we can do. we need a state treasurer who is

going to invest more in main street and less than wall street. we need a state treasurer that is going to loan money to these local banks that then get that money on the street, the same way my grandfather who wanted to start his business, start his business, that's what's going to make oiler economy grow. now, we have talked about some of the challenges that are in front of us. obamacare is one of them. higher taxes, fewer options, when we run for these state offices, they don't get as much attention, but one of the very big differences between me and my opponent, my opponent was -- didn't just vote for some semblance of obamacare, my opponent of all the people you could pick as a true believer was picked by president obama to implement obamacare in missouri. she's not talking a lot about that on this campaign trail. you might imagine why. there are very big differences. somebody who is trying to lower your tax burden versus somebody who is trying to implement obamacare? missouri. all these races have

consequences. but as roy said, we have a generational opportunity. an opportunity that hasn't come up in almost 25 years to pick new leaders for this state so that we can grow. so that we can seize this opportunity of doubling the number of people we need to feed the next 30 years. missouri, with our infrastructure, and the panama call widening, is as poised as any other state to seize on that and do well. but it's going to take leadership, it's going to take people who understand how hard you work and we need to get government out of the way and help create an environment for more jobs. i appreciate the opportunity to be here. make sure you go out and vote. certainly appreciate the support you might give me. thank you. [applause] >> i'll let him say get back to work. i don't want to be the one to say that on friday. >> don't get back until you have some cookies. thank you-all for being here. [applause]

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>> a tweet from senator blunt about the endorsement he got from the kansas city star. roy blunt deserves re-election to the u.s. senate. a new monmouth university poll shows a virtual tie in the race showing blunt at 47% and democrat jason kander at 46. a one-point shift toward the democrat over the past two weeks. here's a look at some of the ads running in the state. >> we have a family business just like roy blunt. >> his wife and three of his children are all lobbyists. he doesn't see what's wrong with that. >> i don't understand why that would be a question. everybody's family -- >> lobbying bucks $1.6 million mansion. he doesn't live in missouri anymore. after 20 years in washington, maybe roy blunt should just become a lobbyist, too. >> i'm jason kander and i approve this message because we won't change washington until we change the people we send there. >> i'm roy blunt and i approve

this message. jason kander lies about roy blunt. roy blunt has never taken or voted for a pay raise in the senate. lobbyists have never paid for roy blunt to travel anywhere. here's the truth, jason kander has taken millions from lobbyists and special interests. even his wife was listed as a lobbyist. now he lies about that, too. jason kander, another lying liberal politician. >> how do we change washington? i'm jason kander and enlisted in the army after 9/11. when i came home i realized the washington politicians were not just ignoring what we needed in afghanistan, they were also ignoring what we needed in missouri. they put their party, their pay raises, and political careers ahead of doing what's right for our country. i have worked to clean up state government. now i'm running for senate and i approved this message because we won't change washington until we change the people we send there. >> when hillary clinton went

shopping for health with her liberal agenda, her first stop was jason kander's headquarters. clinton just gave half a million dollars to help him. she knows he supports her bad ideas like expanding obamacare, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and liberal supreme court judges. if hillary clinton is president, jason kander will be a blank check for clinton's liberal agenda. no wonder he keeps lying about roy blunt. pay is good. >> i'm roy blunt and i approve this message. >> some of the ads there in the missouri race. vice president biden campaigned in missouri with senate candidate jason kander. they spoke at a rally in st. louis. [applause]

mr. kander: how you-all doing? how about kathy? she do all right? this is the vice president. [cheers and applause]

thank you-all so much for everything you do. you know there's 11 days to go. did you know that? i thought you might. in the army we would refer to that as 10 days and a wake-up, but we actually got to work for the whole 11 days. are you ready to do that? [cheers and applause] mr. kander: i thought so. you know, i wanted to start by telling you just a quick story because this campaign has really become a conversation about whether or not there's promise in the next generation. so i want to tell you a quick story. it's a story that the veterans who are here will understand exactly what i'm talking about. raise your hand if you're a veteran here with us. can we give these folks a round of applause. [applause] the folks who raised their hand know when you're getting ready to go overseas, one of the things that happens is people tell you, the people training you, they say when you get over there you'll have the good stuff. that's what they tell you. for me you'll have armored

humvees with a mean looking fellow on top. see, you're nodding. with a mean little fell on top of the machine -- fellow on top of the with a machine gun. this is the story about my first few days in afghanistan. i get that and i'm thinking i'm pretty tough. i thought i was g.i. joe in the flesh. had my battle rattle and pistol on my hip. i'm thinking i'm a tough guy. then within the first few days it becomes time for me to go on the very first convoy of my whole deployment. i'm going to the camp where i'm going to be stationed. i'll still feeling tough. until what rolls up for that convoy was not armored humvees, there was no mean looking fellow on top of the machine gun. it was midsized unarmored s.u.v.'s. seriously. just like what you drive around st. louis. we were about to drive around afghanistan. i suddenly felt the opposite of tough. i was starting to get queasy. and then in addition to being physically scared, i became very

concerned that i could end up getting sick and being known as the guy throughout my whole deployment who through up on all his new co-workers on his first day. i thought that would be bad. fortunately we safely got where we were going and i did not get sick on anybody. but if you fast forward a few months later, aim standing in the exact same spot, but now i'm the convoy commander. i'm telling folks what to do if we are attacked. i'm telling them who is going to be in charge if i'm killed. i he see this kid staring right back at me. 19, 20 years old. and he is clearly feeling just what i had been feeling months earlier because he is turning green. the color of the letters on your shirt green. and i know what he's feeling. i know what he's thinking. i was watching him to see what he would do. we load up in the vehicles and -- the reason i remember this he ended up sitting right behind me and i remember thinking -- i really hope this kid doesn't get sick. he's right behind me. the reason i tell you that story is because up until that moment

in his journey, he had all these decisions to make where he knew what the right thing was and he knew what the easy thing was, and he knew they weren't the same thing. and he chose the right thing. he chose the right thing when he decided to enlist. this is 2006. he knew that that meant that he he could end up in a place like afghanistan. then he chose a job in the military that could put him in that seat right behind me. then when he was turning green and everybody knew what was going on, he knew that he could have probably said maybe i'll go on tomorrow's convoy. he didn't do that. he got in the s.u.v. and the reason that i'm running really comes down to my overwhelming feeling that what we need in congress right now are more people who make that choice. more people who will get in the s.u.v. more people who look at the right things and the easy things and choose the right thing. [applause] mr. kander: when they know it's not the same thing. [cheers and applause]

mr. kander: because, when i signed up for the army,dy it out of a desire to protect the entire country. i promise you, i did not volunteer to go to afghanistan solely to protect the wealthiest 1% of americans. i did not. sec. kander: and i know that just like that young man knew that you need to do the right thing, we need to do right by the middle class and that is not what senator blunt is doing in the united states senate. [cheers and applause] sec. kander: because for far too long, congress has put millionaires, billionaires, special interest who can afford access to politicians ahead of everybody else. ahead of folks working multiple jobs. 15 years ago, there were making more money working one job. they're putting all of those folks behind. and the truth is working americans, they are not actually looking for a handout. they are looking for a level playing field.

because we know -- that's right -- the reason you're here, the reason i am here, the reason the vice president is here -- cheers and applause] sec. kander: -- is because we know that america is at its best when our middle class is at its strongest. [applause] sec. kander: and we all know that we need more people in congress, in the senate, who understand that college has to be more affordable or middle-class families are going to struggle under that debt for generations. and we know that the middle class needs a tax cut before a multi-national corporation needs another tax loophole.

[cheers and applause] and we know that it is wrong when women are paid less than men for doing the exact same job. cheers and applause] sec. kander: so, over the next 11 days, here's what is going to happen. the folks who have made an investment in senator blunt, they are going to -- he's coming back, don't worry -- [laughter] sec. kander: it is not a magic trick. [cheers and applause] sec. kander: they got worried. v.p. biden: i'm not leaving. i'm not leaving. i just thought of something i've got to show you. sec. kander: they were like, joe! [chuckling]

sec. kander: so, over the next 11 days, here is what is going to happen. the special interests that made investments into senator blunt are going to keep doing that. i have used "investments" purposefully. over the last years, they've made an investment in somebody who wakes up every morning thinking about what he can do for the special interests that fund his campaign and his lifestyle. they are not going to go quietly. they do not want to see that go away. they know i am not going to be there to serve the special interest. so, he can have the special interest, because i've got you. cheers and applause] i got you. i got you. i've got you to knock on doors, make phone calls, and to do the ork.

hat is how we win. that is how we win, and the good news is that there is a new generation stepping forward in this country right now. [applause] sec. kander: and it is a generation, for me, i will tell you, i am not interested in getting distracted by this dark choir of politicians that will still tell us our country is doomed or this generation is incapable of greatness. because i've seen members of this generation sign on the dotted line and enlist when they knew doing so probably meant going to war. i've seen them asked to go back as soon as possible after they have been hurt. i have seen them work alongside civilians their age to try to make the very best country in the world the greatest version of itself it can be. that is what i have seen. [applause]

sec. kander: and, this is a generation that is more focused on ideas than on ideology. it is a movement that measures your patriotism not by your eagerness to send other people to war, but by your willingness to do what's right no matter the political cost. [cheers and applause] sec. kander: and i know we need more people in washington in both political parties who have voluntarily been through something in their lives that is more difficult than a reelection campaign, and i promise you i have. [applause] sec. kander: so, we know that we are not going to change washington until we change the people we send there and the time has come for the next generation to step up and take the lead in shaping the direction of our state and our

country, and with your help that is exactly what i will do as your united states senator. thank you so much. thank you. [cheers and applause] sec. kander: yeah. cheers and applause] ec. kander: and now -- and now it is my honor to -- i think they are ready for you. it is my honor to spend a moment introducing vice president joe biden. [applause] sec. kander: vice president biden -- i don't mean to step on it. ou can go ahead. [chanting "joe"]

sec. kander: vice president biden is somebody who is proof that just because you go to washington does not mean you become washington. [applause] sec. kander: they tried. hey tried. thank you, i appreciate it. but the sooner we get through this the sooner you get to hear from the vice president. let's do that. let's do that. so, americans across the political spectrum respect the vice president because they know he puts them first. they know he is about the middle class. they know whether you are a teacher or a student, a waitress

or an auto worker, that he is there for you. and i can tell you that i've seen firsthand when he was here a couple months ago and we stopped at goody-goody -- when we walked through, people don't jump up and yell "mr. vice president, mr. vice president" and, it is not that they are showing disrespect. they are yelling "joe, joe," like you were. the reason they do that is because -- it is not that they already feel that they know him, but because they know that he knows them. right? that is why he is a fighter for the middle class and the working class, and that is why i'm so honored that he is here to campaign with us. please give a big missouri welcome to vice president joe biden. cheers and applause]

.p. biden: hello, st. louis! t is great to be back. folks, it is great to be back. you know, before i start talking about the issues, let me follow along with something jason said. you know, jason, like my son beau was part of the -- no, thank you but -- part of, i think, the greatest generation that has ever been created in this country, and let me explain what i mean by that. you know, after i -- i call it the 9/11 generation. after 9/11, close to 5 million young women and men went down

somewhere -- the national guard, the united states army recruiting, the navy -- and they said, send me. you know that quote from isaiah, "who shall i send?" send me. send me. and they went. they went. i have been in and out of afghanistan and iraq 28 times. i have seen what these young women and men have done. cheers and applause] v.p. biden: i have been asked in a forward operating base in the middle of a godforsaken nowhere in the upper kunar valley in afghanistan to pin a silver star on a young captain, in what they call a f.o.b., forward operating base.

six military personnel on the side of a hill of a mountain by themselves, nothing but these great big sandbags reinforced with chicken wire. i was asked by the commanding general, would i pin a silver star on this young man, because he had gone down a ravine to rescue one of his young men who had been shot, brought him back under a hail of gunfire, and was wounded. the young man died. when i went to pin that silver star, with general rodriguez -- went to pin the silver star on his chest, he said, i don't want it, sir. i don't want it, sir. he died. he died. don't deserve it. the same thing happened outside

of ramadi. a young man, an army captain went into a burning humvee to rescue one of his soldiers, a lieutenant. they hit an ied. i was asked by the commanding officer, would i pin a silver star on him. this is the god's honest truth. he whispered to me, sir please do not. please do not pin that on me. he died, sir. he died. i did not do my job. he died. with burned hands and a young man who had risked his life. this is a truly remarkable eneration. i wish all of you could see how they operate. right after we got elected,

because i allegedly know something about foreign policy and national security, the president asked me before we got sworn in, would i go to afghanistan? would i come back with recommendations as to how to proceed? i asked two highly decorated members of the senate to come with me, john kerry, a democrat, and chuck hagel, a epublican. we were going from down in the valley all the way to the airbase kandahar north of kabul. our helicopters were flying at about -- the mountains were like the sawtooth mountains in idaho, only much more extreme. the mountain peaks are between 8000 and 10,000 feet. jason knows this.

and they are literally three quarters of a mile to 1.5 miles apart. there is no vegetation. we hit a snow squall, and thank god i had a really great young pilot with us, who found the one spot we could land on. not much bigger than this stage. the wings, the helicopter rotors, hung over on each side. they told me was 1400 feet down one side and 6000 down the other. and we were standing there in the wash of the helicopter, and i had a young gunny next to me. i looked out and looked across, it turns out to be less than a mile, and i will tell you how i new. i saw 1, 2, 3, think i counted 12 afghans, on -- it looked like a goat path, facing us. i took the binoculars and looked. i said, can they get us?

can they make it to us from there? he said, it would take them seven to eight hours to get down and through the valley. and i said, how far are they? and the gunner picked up his rifle. i said, no, no, no. he said, i'm just getting the distance, he said. 9/10 of a mile, sir. i looked over and i saw -- that was probably at 12:00. i saw at 3:30 or 3:00, this little tiny village nestled in the hill in a crevice of the mountain, with smoke coming out. t turned out it was a little afghan village, and i looked and i wondered, do those people have any idea what was going on in kandahar? it would take them days to walk there, and i was only 17 clicks away. i looked at this young man next

to me and i realized, this kid probably a year and a half earlier had been home and pretty comfortable. but here he was in the middle of godforsaken nowhere. and as the f-16's flew over us for proof of life -- i later got home and found out there was a photograph sent of me, the general, and two congressmembers who later became secretary of state and secretary of defense, and the gunny and this interpreter. a vivid picture. of us standing in the wash of the helicopter. i said, where the hell did this come from? guys that jason had trained with had climbed up with over 60 or 70 pounds of equipment on their backs, had climbed up 11,000 feet in pursuit of an isil group, and they had taken a photograph of us. the reason i bothered to tell ou this story is because the

generation many of you and jason represents is the most incredible generation ever. never before have we sent people into war not once, not twice, but sometimes three and four and ive times. scrubbing the blood off the seat of a humvee and going back and saddling up the next day. i carry a card with me, my schedule. i took my coat off. it is in my schedule. the back, everywhere i can find place, is a box in black. i had my staff contact the pentagon every single morning for the last nine years. and i ask because i want to know -- it is called daily troop update. i want to know exactly how many

americans have died in afghanistan or iraq. exactly how many have been wounded. because every one -- the thing i hate the most is, people say we have over 6000 dead. no. it is 6761. because every single one of those fallen angels left behind a family, a community that mourns their loss. many of them, like my son, when they came back decorated war heroes -- bronze star, other major medals -- i won't brag about my son, but he was one hell of a man. here is the point. [applause] v.p. biden: here is the point. there are thousands of your generation who have done this. ver 4 million. 2.3 million, roughly, strapped

on those boots, walked across the scorching sands of iraq, those god-awful moonscapes of afghanistan. and when i hear talk about the millennial generation, this generation not being ready to lead, it makes me want to gag. when i hear talk about this generation that is spoiled, i want to grab them. when i hear people talk about our best days are ahead of us -- or behind us, when the greatest generation we have had -- you know, you millennials, you volunteer more than any eneration has. you are more open than any generation has. you're more committed than any other generation has. and all of this talk you are

hearing in this campaign from so many corners, about trying to discourage you from going out and voting -- ladies and entlemen, back in september, when jason and i were campaigning, i met his beautiful wife diana, and his precious son. i met his parents and his siblings. let me tell you, it is not a surprise he turned out to be who he is. he is a patriot -- as i said, like my son. he came home to serve just as he left to serve. he served in the missouri house, missouri secretary of state. he is the kind of person we need in politics, in both parties, as he says. young, optimistic. although i have to admit, he is ot that young. [laughter]

v.p. biden: i was elected to the u.s. senate when i was 29 years old. old guys like this -- [applause] v.p. biden: old guys like this, in my generation, and i see a couple guys up there of my generation, there is an expression. if he's over 30, you can't trust him. remember? son of a gun, he is over 30. i don't know, man. i don't know. i had to wait 13 days to be sworn in. i was not eligible to be sworn in when i got elected constitutionally. but here's is the deal, all kidding aside. we need new blood in both parties. i got in trouble -- i got in trouble -- no one ever doubts i say what i mean. the problem is, i sometimes say all that i mean. [laughter] v.p. biden: i said in the 2012

campaign, i said, if you had one wish, what would it be and i said, "for a republican party." i am not being facetious. you notice every time there is a congress problem in the administration, i get sent to capitol hill. no, no i have great reverence for our institutions. i really do. the proudest thing i ever did was serve in the united states senate. but here's the deal, guys. there's an awful lot of leaders up there. i would sit down, whether it was trying to keep the country from defaulting on its debt, or whatever the issue was -- you think back of all on the times, six major times. i would sit for hours, whether it was with john boehner, or eric cantor, or mitch mcconnell. and i would work out a deal. i said how, no, no. i would shake hands. we would have a deal. and then anywhere within seven

hours to six days, i would get a call -- and i know these guys meant it. i know these men. honorable men. i disagree with them politically, but they are honorable men. and i would get a call saying, joe, i cannot do it. i cannot keep the deal. i will get thrown out of my osition. joe, they would say -- this is not your father's republican party. this is not your father's republican party. i will be told, "i cannot do it, joe. i cannot get it done." what i am looking for in both parties is women and men who have the courage of their convictions, who will tell me what they want to do and not be cowed by special interests. in trying not to do them. cheers and applause]

v.p. biden: and i mean that. ladies and gentlemen, i learned a long time ago what jason knows intuitively. when i first got to the senate after i got elected, my wife and daughter were killed. i got elected november 7, and december 18, i got a phone call in washington saying a tractor-trailer broadsided the car my family was in and killed my baby daughter, killed my wife, and my two boys were not likely to make it. so i did not want to go to the senate. but because of guys -- and i mean this sincerely. because of tom eagleton and a guy named fritz hollings in south carolina and senate majority leader mike mansfield from montana -- they convinced me, just come and stay six months. just help us organize.

because i did not think i could be a father and senator at the same time. and i used to go over to senator mansfield's office every tuesday at 3:00. i would get an assignment. i'm the first united states senator i ever knew. so, i did not know senators did not get assignments. no, for real, i did not know senators did not get assignments from the majority leader, but after about four months, i realized he was just taking my pulse to see how i was doing, to see if i was ok. and one day i walked onto the senate floor to go to my meeting, and a guy named jesse helms was excoriating a good friend of mine, republican bob dole, who is still my close friend, as well as teddy kennedy. because they were writing a thing called the americans with isabilities act. [cheers and applause] v.p. biden: and i was angry.

and fortunately, because i had to go to this meeting, it was in may, with the leader, i did not stop and say something imprudent, seeking the floor. i walked into mansfield's office, this is the point of the story. i walked into his office and i guess i looked like i was very angry, and he said, "what is the matter, joe?" i unloaded on jesse helms. i said, he has no social redeeming value. he does not care about the disabled, and on and on. he took his corn could be pipe out of his mouth and he said, joe, what would you say if i told you that in christmas of 1969 -- this was 1973 -- jesse and dot helms were in their living room reading the raleigh observer in raleigh, north carolinaand there was an advertisement for a young man with braces up to his hips and with steel crutches, saying, all i want for

christmas is somebody to love me and take me home?" he said, "what would you say if i told you that jesse adopted that man as his own son?" i said, "i would feel like a fool." he said, well, he did. he said, joe, it is always appropriate to question another man's judgment. it is never appropriate to question his motive, because you don't know the motive. what is happening today in washington is all about motive. if you disagree, you are a bad person. you are immoral, this or that. jason gets it. he gets what this country is about. we have gone from crisis to recovery to resurgence. now it is time to restore the middle class. it is the single most significant responsibility we have as a nation. [applause]

v.p. biden: but look, i know when you read the press, they call me "middle class joe." that is not a compliment in washington. no, i am serious. that means i am not sophisticated. but i am pretty darn sophisticated about how we become who we are. it is because the thing that has held this country together, not just economically, but socially and politically, has been a rising middle class. whenever there is a crisis anywhere else in the world, including in democratic countries, there has been chaos. but not here, because it promises existed here that if you do well, if you play by the rules, there is a basic bargain. if you help the enterprise you work for do well, then you do well. well, that bargain has been broken. it has been broken. and ladies and gentlemen, in the process, not only did jason get that the middle class has been hammered.

he gets it is not just our economic standing, but our dignity. my dad had a saying, ever since we moved from scranton, pennsylvania when there was no work down to claymont, delaware. every time it came up about a job he would say, joe, remember, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck. it is about your dignity, your self-respect, about being able to hold your head high. it is about your place in your community. he has seen too many people, and so has jason and so have you, here in missouri, stripped of their jobs and dignity through no fault of their own. let me define what jason and i mean by middle class. it's about being able to send your kids to a park, and knowing they will be safe. it is about being able to send your kid to a local high school and if they do well, they will get into college and if they do well in college, he will figure out how in god's name to get

them there. cheers and applause] v.p. biden: but it is also about the community. i was a pretty good athlete in high school and college. i had scholarships to go and play ball. there was one school i wanted to go to. it only gave grants. it did not give scholarships. it was a small school in new england, but it cost a lot of money. they gave me a grant and aid, but i still could not make it. my dad was trying to figure out how to get me there. my dad ran an automobile agency. he did not own it, he ran it. one thing good about having your dad run an automobile agency if you always have got a new car for the prom. [laughter] v.p. biden: in mid-may after a baseball game we had in little town called claymont, i drove 20 miles down to the ealership.

i had my uniform on, my spikes off, i had my 1951 plymouth i bought. $75. it had beach towels for seats. i got out of the car and ran into the showroom and said, mary, where is dad? he said, out in the lane going into the shop, sunny. my dad was a graceful man. i walked out this two story. he was pacing back-and-forth. he looked up and saw me and said, joey, i'm so sorry. i am so sorry. this was before cell phones. i thought maybe something had happened to my mom or sister or my two brothers. he said, honey, i went to the bank today to borrow money to get you to school. they won't lend me the money, honey. am so damn ashamed, joey. i am so ashamed, and joey. not only was there no way for me to borrow money at a reasonable rate to get to school, my

father's dignity was stripped from him because he looked at a kid who he thought could go to this very competitive school and there was no way he could get him there. there is nothing worse for a parent than looking at their child with a health problem or an opportunity, knowing they can't help. jason and i grow up 1000 miles apart and decades apart, but we grew up in the same neighborhood. we were taught the same values. in scranton, people worked hard. we went to school in a steel town, and watched the industry die. but i watched my neighbors with a grim determination get up off their backs and fight. and in my neighborhood, you were taught that anything was possible. it could become anything you wanted. what bothers me most about some of the people in politics today is they think the only people who are well-educated have money, have dreams. in my neighborhood, we had the

same dreams that any wealthy kid did in any other neighborhood. cheers and applause] vice president biden: i was taught like jason that i'm every man's equal and not superior to every man and woman. maybe most important my dad's mantra was joey, everybody, everybody, everybody's entitled to be treated with dignity. the same pride -- [cheers and applause] look, i might add -- i might add moy dad used to say, joe, i don't expect the government to solve my problems, but god, honey, i expect to understand them. just understand my problem. i'm looking -- i just want you to understand what it is and give me a fair shake. ladies and gentlemen, the fact jason's tter is that

opponent and a lot of people i work with in washington don't understand what a fair shake means. does demib out there think that this generation of young people can make it on 12 years of education in the 21st century? what do you think? guys, look,dy this study for the president. you may remember in the state of the union he asked me to do it two years ago. what are the jobs in the future? right now six out of 10 jobs require something more than a high school degree. the same guy or woman who worked manually, same guy who threw steel to furnace to make has the full capacity to understand photovoltaic technology work with a machine to build solar panels, but they need help.

they need to be retrained. the other team doesn't think that's something the government should do. that's not something government should do. they kind of think that maybe the neighborhood i come from we are not capable, but he listened to jason's opponent, all of a sudden guess what? they are all for the middle class now. sn't it amazing? like we say in delaware and southern missouri, the boys have had an altar call. they have seen the lord. it's amazing. it's amazing. they are all for education now. they are all for opportunity. they are all for childcare, for women who have to go out and work. they are all for all these things we have been talking about. they say they value them. my dad another expression, so much to say and i don't want to

keep you, my dad, he said, when someone come up to my dad and said -- his name was joe, joe, let me tell you what i value. my dad would look at them say don't tell me what you value, show me your budget i will tell you what you value. show me your budget i will tell ou what you value. v.p. biden: so, let's take a look at the other team's budget. they cut and they voted on this on six occasions in the house. and passed. they cut education by $6.7 billion a year. we didn't let that happen. we have the highest graduation rates in the history of america now. more hispanics, more blacks graduated from schools. [cheers and applause]

v.p. biden: they wanted to cut tell grants. that is a fancy word for saying, any kid who makes less than $50,000 a year can get a pell grant. it has put 9 million kids in college. [applause] v.p. biden: the budget cut medicaid by almost $1 billion. calls for social security to be privatized. guys, look a well wall street did with other peoples money. give them all the money from the social security fund, guess what is going to happen? that's what it is. by the way, medicare. medicare. they have a fancy word. it is called voucherizing it. that means you get a hell of a lot less.

tell that to your mom or dad who got the pension taken away from them. who are living on nothing but medicare and social security. look, folks, jason knows, he knows, what real people are concerned about. let me and with one example of what we need to do. let's go back to education for a minute. folks, i love my republican colleagues in particular. some democrats. who talk about, we are all for productivity and growth, right? that is what we are for. we are not those big spending democrats. we are for productivity and growth. well, ladies and gentlemen, what do you think we have? a collective senate amnesia as to how the hell we got where we got? because of the budgets they passed. [applause] v.p. biden: as we say in my old

neighborhood, they are full of malarkey. [cheers and applause] here is the deal. let me give you another example. when ronald reagan was president, there were a total of about $800 billion in tax loopholes, ok? some good. there are some reasons for tax loopholes. they call them tactics managers. -- tax expenditures. there are reasons for them. one, to promote a social good, to get people to be able to own their homes. that is why in your first time homebuying, you are allowed to deduct your interest rate on your mortgage. to encourage people. it gives you stability. they never say anything about the second, third, and fourth home. two, it is designed to get you to take a chance. you have a great idea and you are willing to risk it all. it generates when you do it, a great social good. it grows the economy.

you should pay less taxes. we should encourage you to take risks. but ladies and gentlemen, now you know how much a year is not collected because of tax loopholes, $1,300,000,000,000. find me a single economist in the world that can justify that any more than 600 billion of that to $700 billion of that generates economic growth. so, when jason and i come along and say 12 years is not enough, if we had every community college student able to go to community college free, assuming they had a b average and assuming college and all their credits were transferable to a four-year state university, that would increase growth by 0.2% a year. that is over $1 trillion in 10 years. growth in the economy. we would go from 6 million students to 9 million students

in community colleges. ask any single democrat or republican or executive, what is the one thing they say they need most? a better educated public. guess what? i can give them that. it costs a lot of money. it costs a year to make sure $6 billion everybody could go to community college for free if they keep a b average. that is a lot of money. there go those democrats again. remember, i told you about that $1.3 trillion in tax loopholes? if you just eliminated one, and by the way -- i am one of those guys who think which folks are just as patriotic as poor folks. just as decent as poor folks. i do not buy this argument that just because you're a wealthy somehow you are not as good. i reject that. if you eliminate one loophole, it is called stepped up basis.

because if you go back on google with my financial disclosure, you will find the first time i did my financial disclosure as vice president, the "washington post," said, it is probable that no man has ever us in the office -- the office of vice president with fewer assets than joe biden. [laughter] v.p. biden: that is not good. my family was not crazy about that. the poorest man in the senate. i said i would immediately disinvest of any bank or enterprise and i would never own stock or bonds for fear of a conflict of interest. and i would never taken our area -- honorarium -- never take an honorarium. unfortunately for my family, i have kept my promise all of these in years. but here is the deal, guys. [cheers and applause] v.p. biden: i did not know what stepped up basis is. here is what it is -- if somebody goes out and has the wherewithal to purchase $1 million worth of stock, five years later it accrues to $2

million and they are going to sell it, they have to pay a capital gain which is less than their tax rate on that $1 million gain. but if god forbid, you are hit by a truck and pass away and it gets left to the child, and they sell at the very next day, they pay no tax whatsoever. now, they make up, they are good people, they make up .4% of the taxpayers. they are already very wealthy. the last thing they need is another made up tax break beyond the one their parent had. but you know how much that costs the treasury every year? $17 billion every year is not collected that otherwise should have been collected. i ask you, in terms of productivity and growth, fairness and equity, is it better to put 9 million kids in community college for free, cutting in half their four four

years of education, or give another $17 billion tax cut. i can pay for every single, solitary kid in school and eliminate $11 billion from the debt. [cheers and applause] v.p. biden: i mean, i might be a lot older, man -- but we are the same. the same state of mind here. folks, all we want is just a little bit of fairness. just an even shot. let me conclude by saying that, you know, when i was that 29-year-old kid, everybody talked about me as the idealistic, young senator who was so optimistic. i can say, i give you my word as a biden, i am more optimistic today about america's chances than i ever have been in my whole life.

ladies and gentlemen, remember some of you older folks out there remember back in the late 80's, how when japan was going to eat our lunch and own america. i remember going to the vault at the wharton school of pennsylvania, university of pennsylvania and debating someone from one of the conservative think tanks, and saying there was no possibility of that happening. anybody worried about japan right now? ladies and gentlemen, then we heard about how the european union, 384 million people, with a juggernaut of economic power, was going to eat our lunch. ladies and gentlemen, raise your hand if you are worried the competition is from the eu? i want them both to do better because we need the world economy to grow. and now you hear from these guys about how china is going to own us. ladies and gentlemen, china does not have enough energy, or enough water.

they have a $2 trillion project to turn around the two major rivers to flow on the plain to provide water for the vast majority of their population. they have real problems. we want them to grow for stability. but ladies and gentlemen, as i say, the rest of the world is not a patch on our jeans in terms of our economic capability. name me a product that has revolutionized the world. name me a new technology that was not made in america. name me one. [cheers and applause] v.p. biden: folks, it is time we lift our heads up, understand who we are. americans never bend. we never bow. we never break. we are resilient. we always get up. we never fail.

that is who we are. that is what we do. that is what he understands. ladies and gentlemen, let's get up. it is time to take back this country. god bless you all, and may god protect our troops. go get them! [cheers and applause] ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] ♪

flex missouri candidate jason can is in a virtual tie with republican right one in the senate race. a new poll shows mr. kander with 36% support to senator blunt us 47. also today, senator blunt was endorsed, saying that he deserved to be reelected. tim kaine is in madison and appleton on the same day to host early voting events.

in madison, the senator will visit the uw madison gordon dining and event center. his visit is designed to help the russ feingold campaign. election day, just one week away. we will have live road to the white house coverage of the candidates as they campaign in battleground states. donald trump and mike pence will be in eau claire. on c-span2, you can see here that -- hillary clinton holding a campaign rally in for rough -- fort lauderdale, florida. >> on election day, november 8, the nation decides our next president and which party controls the house and senate. stay with c-span for coverage of the presidential race, including campaign stops with hillary clinton, donald trump, and their surrogates. follow key house and senate races.

c-span, where history unfolds daily. >> this week, on c-span2, we are featuring political radio programs. with national talk show. wednesday, live from washington, d.c., consumer -- conservative .ost hugh who -- hugh hewitt thursday, from noon to 3:00, author and progressive radio host, tom hartman. from friday, from nine a.m. until noon, a conservative political perspective on the mike gallagher show, live from new york city. all this week. >> a real clear politics average of recent polls shows chuck grassley continuing to pull ahead of patty judge in the iowa race. senator grassley has a 17 point lead.

got the endorsement of sayingad city times," that grassley has become a rank partisan. they met in debate and talked about the supreme court nominees, health care, renewable fuel standards, integration, and farm aid. their debate ran one hour. >> good evening and welcome to the campus. we are proud to bring you this debate today between charles grassley and patty judge. we are one of three television stations that are covering this. >> tonight, we hope our questions will help make you an informed decision on november 8.

>> tonight we would like to ask our audience to please refrain from cheering or applauding during the debate. the only exception is right now as we welcome chuck and patty judge to the debate stage. [cheers and applause] matt: let's meet the candidates for the u.s. senate seat representing the great state of

iowa. charles grassley was first elected in 1981. before that he served three terms in the house of representatives. prior to that he served in the iowa house of representatives. matt: patty judge -- >> patty judge served eight years in the iowa secretary and served on the iowa senate. matt: now it's time to hear from each of them. each will have 90 seconds for their opening debate tonight. we flipped a coin to see who would go first. tonight the honor goes to patty judge. ms. judge: thank you, matt. i want to thank all of you from the different tv stations represented here tonight for hosting us. college forgside their participation, allowing us to be here. it is great to have this opportunity. i also want to thank the youence and those of

watching us around the state. we have an opportunity tonight to talk about issues that are important. issues that are on the minds of people not just in iowa, but across our country. we know that there is a frustration, there is gridlock, and obstruction in washington, d.c. we know that needs to change. in order for that to change, i believe we are going to need to have new leadership. the obstruction of the supreme court for the last several months is unprecedented. that is on my opponent's shoulders. we need to be trying to find ways to move forward. we need to be working on the economy. we need to be talking about student loan debt. making sure young professionals are not buried under debt. we need to talk about social security. there are issues up and down the scale that need to be discussed that are not being

discussed. i hope we have a chance to do that. i go to washington, work for you on progress to make this country great again. matt: thank you. >> there is a problem with our timeclock. senator you have the time you , need for your opening statement. senator grassley: thank you to the sponsors of this debate. to mrs. judge, i want to say, condolences for the loss of your father. ms. judge: thank you, i appreciate that. sen. grassley: every day, my job is to work for iowans. if they do not work for iowans, no one else well. i think in terms of three approaches. number one, jobs like the wind , energy tax credit. export related jobs. pay 15% above the national average. secondly, taxpayers need

accountability. so, i got the false claims act passed. that has brought $48 billion back to the treasury. lastly, national security and economic security. because national security is the number one responsibility of the federal government. to keep iowans safe from isis and terrorism. also, economic security. the failed policies of the last eight years of no growth have to be supplemented with progrowth policies. and that is what i have been doing over the last few years, these three things. i will continue them if i am reelected and i would very much appreciate your vote. matt: thank you, senator. now the questions from our panel. each candidate will have one minute. each candidate will then have 30 seconds of rebuttal time.

the panelists may ask a follow-up, if they choose. the first question tonight, answered by chuck grassley. it focuses on the nomination of merrick garland to the u.s. supreme court. since his nomination you have , opposed convening confirmation hearings. just last month you said you would consider hearings during a lame-duck session after election day. why did you soften your stance? will not change my position from the february 23 letter the people ought to have , a voice and the new president , whether it is trump or mrs. clinton, will make a met -- next appointment as far as i am , concerned. the reason we did not have a hearing, and 52 other senators agreeing with that, we have taken the position that is similar to what democratic senators have taken when there has been republican presidents, three different ones. the point that they made, in the

last year of a presidential term, if a vacancy happens then, you give the people a choice and they go ahead and let the new president make it. so you can't have one rule for , democrat presidents and another for republicans. so we are being consistent. specific, the other 52 senators that you mentioned if they were to change their , mind and favor confirmation notings during lame-duck, to say to you would support it, but would you consider it? senator grassley: if a majority of the senate said they were going to move ahead, a chairman serves at the majority of the senate of the united states. and i would follow the will of the majority of the senate. matt: thank you. sen. grassley: i don't expect that to happen, though. indeed, thank you,

senator. as consistently as senator grassley has oppose hearings, you have advocated for them. i want to take you to june of 1992. joe biden talked hypothetically about postponing those hearings on any supreme court vacancy, should there be one, until after the election. that was november, 1990 two. given your advocacy for hearings do you believe the vice , president of the united states, one of the leaders of your party, was wrong twice six -- wrong 26 years ago? ms. judge: i believe we now have the longest time in the history of this country between a nomination and a hearing. that is unprecedented. i believe it is hampering the court. we have a court that is not able to function as it was designed by the constitution. we have disrupted the balance of power. whatever joe biden said, if that -- said, in the halls of congress sometime if that is in , fact his view, that is not my

view. i believe the duty of the duty -- the duty of the judiciary committee is to have a hearing. my opponent is refusing to do that. it should be done and i am troubled by this answer about a lame-duck session. it appears to me that he is leaving himself some wiggle room so they can have a hearing for judge garland between the time this election is over and hillary clinton takes office. matt: thank you, mrs. judge. senator, you have 30 seconds to respond. sen. grassley: thank you very much. 1968, there was a vacancy. the democratic senate decided not to fill the vacancy. i assume they thought humphrey would be elected. nixon was elected. nixon appointed two new people. consequently, even in 2011, and -- 2007, schumer said 18 months ahead of time, should be filled by the new one. and then in 2005, reid gave a

speech where he said there is nothing in the constitution that says the senate has to move ahead. that is the checks and balances of our government. matt: thank you, senator. he seems to cite precedent. what is your response? ms. judge: my response is that this is wrong. this is obstruction of the process. we have a supreme court that is unable to function. this is exactly what is wrong with washington. this is why people are angry. because instead of getting to work, doing what should be done, playing political games in washington dc and it has to stop. senator grassley: would you give me five seconds? matt: i will give you 10, if you need it. she will get 10 more. sen. grassley: there is nothing wrong with the checks and balances in the constitution. the president nominates, the senate advises and consents or does not consent.

as they choose to do, based upon what senator reed, the democratic leader said in 2005. matt: not to belabor the point, but i will give you the same 15 seconds, misjudge. ms. judge: we can talk about what somebody said. the truth of the matter is, we have not had a optioning court -- functioning court for months. we will not have a functioning court for many more months. that is wrong. that is political game, whether it is being played by the republicans or the democrats, it is wrong and it needs to stop. matt: thank you, misjudge. >> the next question will focus on the affordable care act. mrs. judge you recently admitted , health insurance and other costs remain extremely unaffordable. despite having the portal care act. you favor legislative changes to lower those costs. do you have recommendations tonight? ms. judge: i think the +affordable care act was clearly a step forward. we are providing health

insurance for millions of people that did not have it before. that is good. we do need to make some changes to the act. we do not need to do what my opponent has tried to do several times and that is to get the act repealed. and replace it with what, i don't know because there has , never been an alternative put forward. but we do need to look at that. we need to be finding a way to control the rising cost of premiums. we need to be finding a way to control the cost of prescription drugs. that was left out on purpose. again, my opponent was part of that decision. and people have been paying a price in this country ever sense -- ever since for high cost prescription drugs. i believe these things can be done. i believe we can make this act work and this country will be better because of that. >> can you elaborate on any specific changes you would

recommend? ms. judge: well, we need to examine closely what is driving insurance costs and then make decisions on how we could curb that. this was part of the reason we instituted the affordable care act, is because insurance premiums kept rising. people were not able to get coverage. and then they also were being thrown off insurance coverage when they had a serious only -- serious illness. we took steps to fix that. we are not perfect yet but we can do that. we can find ways to curb costs. matt: i'm sorry, that's your time, thank you. >> senator grassley, will you continue to fight for the repeal of obama care or will you try to make adjustments to it? senator grassley: it is a failure. it's a failure. all you have to look at 13

-- is 13 counties of iowa which are going to have one choice for the exchange. just one choice. secondly, premiums are going up 28%. over the next 10 years, they are projected to go up 61% on top of that. we have been lied to about obama care. remember, your premiums were supposed to go down 2500? they have gone up remember, if $3500. you like your doctor, you can keep them? millions have had to change their doctors. remember, we were promised you could keep your insurance. in turn millions of people have , had to change their insurance. matt: that is your time, senator, thank you. >> follow-up? ms. judge: i don't think that the more than one million people that have insurance today, the young professionals who have not yet established themselves and have insurance of their own now allowed to stay on their parents' policies would call this a failure. this is a big step forward.

it is not perfected. we need to polish it. -- we need to, again, put the partisan politics down, quit playing games, and find a way to make this work. >> thank you. senator grassley? sen. grassley: but the small businesses wanted to give their people money to buy insurance. obamacare ruled that out. if you violate that law, you are going to pay $200 every day for every employee that violates that. i have put in legislation to repeal that part of obamacare. we should encourage as many small businesses that want to help their people get insurance anyway to get it. tom: let's talk ethanol and the renewable fuel standards. congress approved ethanol fuel mandates in 2005 for iowans.

it means jobs and economic growth, not just replacing foreign oil with domestic plant -based fuel. now in congress, some say the mandates should be faced out. -- phased out. where do you stand on this issue, senator? senator grassley: i fully support the renewable fuel standard and the tax credits that go with ethanol and biodiesel until they get to be a mature industry. and we can stop the tax credit, like we did on ethanol from grain. the renewable fuel standard is permanent law until 2022. i believe we have the votes in the united states senate to make sure that is not repealed, but we have a big problem with the epa wanting to cut down on the amount that is supposed to be done. they don't have the authority to do it, but this administration that said they were for ethanol have let them get away with it.

that is a big victory for big oil. big oil can't win in congress but they can win in this obama administration. my opponent seems to like everything that epa does. and the epa is ruining it by not having it mixed with petroleum ms. judge: you are not going to get a lot of argument between senator grassley and i on the renewable fuel standard. ethanol is homegrown and we are proud of it. we need that fuel standard in place to make things work until the industry can mature. i would say while people have criticized this, it is not as

significant as the subsidies that big oil has received four years and years which senator grassley has supported. >> a response? senator grassley: it is a big job to defend ethanol in washington dc because there are many people ignorant of it. people from the midwest fight hard against epa. you can get 10 republicans and democrats to meet with the chief of staff of president obama, which we have had to do to get ahead of epa. the reason there is a lot of ignorance is because so many people in washington dc pronounce it "eethanol." >> we are done with ethanol, "eethanol." the next question, much of the

national security policy is focused on two areas. national security and threats on the border. tackling al qaeda. when it comes to national security, should it be on home, abroad or both? ms. judge: that is a big question for a minute. >> we can give you all the time you need. ms. judge: you are correct. i was the homeland security officer for the state of iowa for four years. during that time, i was briefed regularly on threats, both to us here in the u.s. and overseas and there is a threat both places. it has to be, really has to be addressed both places. i think there is lots of activity in the middle east and

we are all reading about that. i think the obama administration is doing a good job of pushing back on the threat of isis in the middle east. there is good surveillance going on here in the united states. we have to be constantly vigilant. there is probably nothing more important than making sure our families are safe here in united states. senator grassley: my opponent said before the sioux city newspaper, the board of editors or whatever you call it, we were containing isis. it is in 36 countries. you only heard of the acronym isis for a few years. it is very dangerous. they want to kill us. we have to make sure they do not use a refugee program to bring people in under the umbrella of refugees.

we want to take refugees but we've got to make sure our intelligence community and fbi are adequately vetting. not move ahead until they say they can be vetted. >> you have 30 seconds for rebuttal, if you would like. ms. judge: this country and particularly the state of iowa has been welcoming, a haven for refugees going back to the time -- we brought in the people from vietnam. we brought in bosnians. now, we have people in syria that are in danger of their lives. i believe we need to find a way that they can be brought here just as other were refugees have been brought here. we do have excellent surveillance. we do have a vetting process

which is extremely vigorous. >> that is your time. senator grassley: we welcome refugees just like we welcome one million immigrants who come here illegally. we just want to make sure we do not have refugees coming here to kill us. >> we will address immigration in a few moments. i want to follow up, in respect to senator grassley's comment isis is in 36 countries. there is a u.s. act coalition of iraqi and kurdish forces trying to retake mosul in iraq. i would like to know what you think about that action taken by the u.s. military. ms. judge: regarding the movement to retake the city of mosul from isis, this is appropriate. it is being led by iraqi forces.

we do have advisers in there. it is really quite a coalition. that is pushing back and retaking that city. that is the way we should operate, give support to our allies to make sure the threat of isis is contained and eradicated. senator grassley: considering the situation that the president put us in by withdrawing troops in 2011, leaving a vacuum that isis filled, i think what we are doing is about the best we can do. the president has all the information. it doesn't seem likely have a strategy. we need our constitutional commander in chief who is the president with that

responsibility to make sure he has a strategy. we need a strategy. >> our next question is about immigration. senator grassley, we will start with you. you led the effort to reform the visa program to better protect americans who are often forced out of their jobs in place of less skilled foreign workers. does this prevent legal immigrants from calling iowa home and offering -- senator grassley: definitely not. it is a very legitimate program, set up in 1990. we did not have enough people educated in this country to do professional jobs, they can be brought in. the problem is a lot of companies bring people in, have their workers train them, and then fire their workers. we have to reform the system so we make sure there is a good faith effort of corporations to find first workers in this

country. if they can't, use the program. if we can get that sort of compromise, like senator durbin and i are working on, we will be able to get even more if they are needed, and only if they are needed, and do other things that will help the program worked the way it is supposed to. it is wrong to bring people in and have your workers train them and then fire american workers. >> you have said it is foolish to even think about a mass deportation of all those people living in the u.s.. do you endorse a pathway to citizenship? ms. judge: what i endorse is a comprehensive immigration reform

bill. there was a bill that was passed two years ago. it is sitting in the house of representatives. the republicans have refused to take that bill up. my opponent voted against it in the senate. it gives us a path to get people who are working in our country as undocumented workers documented. to get them out of the shadows. to get them on the tax rolls. we need to get this done. there is no reason not to do it. if there are portions of the bill we are not in agreement about, we have to have that discussion again once more. this is the obstruction, the deliberate obstruction, that is so frustrating to us. it has to stop. senator grassley: yes, i voted against it because it did not secure the border.

we talk about securing the border as if it is just a mexico problem. it is not just a mexico problem. it is a problem at our airports, exit and entry. we need a biometric system to track people coming and going. half of the people are here overstaying the visas, not just crossing the border without papers. we also need interior enforcement. bottom line, we need to enforce the laws. ms. judge: there are provisions in this bill for border security. i would ask senator grassley if in fact it was not adequate or lacking in some way, why is there not an attempt to perfect the bill? why can't we bring it up, have a decision, have a discussion and come to consensus on a way that we can deal with this problem?

this growing problem of immigration in our country? >> i would like to ask a follow-up question. you talked about bringing people from out of the shadows. the green card process is very lengthy. what about people who have done it legally from day one? what is your message to them? ms. judge: my message to them is thank you. we cannot ignore the fact that we have millions of people in our country that are not documented. they are working here. they came here because they knew they had a job. i think their employers need to be held somewhat responsible as well. if we need them as a workforce and our state, we need to find a way to get them the proper documentation so they are working here legally and that is

very different than being a resident and eventually being a citizen. senator grassley: does your question raised the issue of people who came here legally, being resentful for people who came here without papers? very definitely. in the last year or two, i have not heard as much about immigration in 2013 and 2014 when it came up at practically every one of my town meetings i have around iowa. i did since a real resentment from people that stayed in line in their own country for a long time because we have quotas. they have to wait their turn. and they come here and they see other people here that violated our laws, crossing the borders without papers. >> if you check your clocks, we have hit the halfway mark.

straightaway, any political climate that can be at best described as contentious, we will tackle bipartisanship. welcome back to the iowa u.s. senate debate, live from the campus of morningside college in welcome back to the iowa u.s. senate debate, live from the campus of morningside college in sioux city. the next is the topic of the farm bill. >> my grandfather was a norwegian farmer, and farming is so important to the state of iowa. do you think the federal government should provide farmers with a cost-sharing safety net program that manages risk and catastrophic disaster? ms. judge: we have had some pretty good times in agriculture

for the last two years. crop prices have been good, livestock prices have been good. this issue of the farm safety net has not been one people have given a lot of thought. however, things are not as robust as they were. we will have to address what sort of safety net is appropriate. we know we now have a crop insurance safety net in place. we really haven't had to test that out too much. and i believe whatever we do, we have got to make certain we got a strong safety net under family farmers. people that actually live on our farms in iowa. we need to protect them. we cannot lose another

generation of farmers and iowa. we have to keep them there. that is one of the things i believe i want to do first in washington. >> how do we protect our farmers? senator grassley: we should have a safety net and the crop insurance is what you are talking about. that is the way it should be done. plan ahead. we have other disasters like you can have in agriculture. you can have an earthquake. we help, 100% disaster relief. you can have a hurricane. you have 100% disaster relief. you can have floods, and you help them. it is 100% disaster. when it comes to farmers, they plan ahead. 95% of them in iowa. they pay for the crop insurance along with the taxpayers. it is good for the taxpayers, because if we did not have it, it would be 100 percent disaster relief like prior to 1990.

>> any additional comments? ms. judge: we just have to be very certain it works well. crop prices are better today, corn was $3.13 today. that is on the edge of being a disaster for our farmers. as i said before, we have to make certain those iowa family farmers, whether through this market downturn. >> final comments? senator grassley: too often, people don't stop to think about everything a farmer goes through. they pay what they charge you for input. if you delivered and you wanted to sell it, you will take what they will give you. we have a lot of things, even international politics and war.

grain embargoes. nothing the farmer has control over. they ought to be able to have the crop insurance program they contribute to. >> would you support tax reform that lowers effective tax rates for farmers? ms. judge: i think, as we talk about tax reform, we really have to talk about that broadly. i would not think it would be wise to single out a particular industry. including farming. we need to look at tax reform. we need to be looking at making it more fair, more equitable for all of us. working families, small businesses. we need to close loopholes at the top that are preventing large multibillion dollar

corporations from paying any taxes whatsoever. we need to close loopholes to make certain the wealthiest people in this country are in fact paying taxes. when we have a presidential candidate that is openly bragging about not paying taxes, it is very concerning. we all need to pay taxes. we enjoy living in this country but we went those taxes to be fair and equitable across the board. from those of us in the lower economic group to those of us, the wealthy. >> your view on comprehensive tax reform. senator grassley: i think the estate tax should be done away with. that is passing on the farm from one to another. you cannot have tax reform just for farmers. you have to have it for people across the board. if my opponent is talking about

wealthy people, and she's including farmers that have had big inflation in their land prices, we got hillary clinton wanting to put a 65% tax rate on it. you also want them to reduce the exemption from $5 million down to $3.5 million. this is going to cause farmers to split up their operations and you will not have a farming operation. that would be the worst thing to get young people into farming. ms. judge: i agree with hillary clinton on most issues. i'm sure that doesn't surprise anyone too much. but the issue of estate tax and the plan she has put forward, i do not agree with. i want to be very clear about that. i think it is unfair to farmers. i have been secretary of

agriculture in the state. i understand a bit about land prices and actuation, the fact that you may be wealthy one day and it broke the next day if you are in agriculture. the estate tax, i would not ever vote to enact hillary's estate tax plan. senator grassley: i don't the -- i don't need to say any more on that subject. it would just kill young people getting into farming. really, it would not be taxation, it would be confiscation. >> the next question focuses on qualifications for office. you both have lengthy political resumes. mrs. judge, you served in the iowa senate. senator grassley, how do you avoid stagnancy or complacency in washington dc after four

decades? senator grassley: washington is an island surrounded by reality. get out of there. i come home every weekend. for 36 years in a row, i have gone to every county to have at least one meeting in every county. polk county, one example. keep in touch with people. representing government is a two-way street. i am one half of that process. she was a state senator, she was one half. the constituents are the other half. you have to have dialogue. i make sure i am on top of things by having dialogue with my constituents so i can better represent them in washington dc. one thing to do is, when you are campaigning, don't overpromise. when you do promise something, carry it out. and always tell the truth because then you don't have to worry about what you told somebody else.

>> you have 18 years in elected office, at the state level. how do you expect to bring a different approach to government in washington? ms. judge: i went to the state senate with zero experience in the state senate. i was able to work across party lines. did that very well. we were able to move a lot of important issues. i did work as a mediator for a number of years and i think that is a skill that is useful ringing people to consensus. i really would like to point out when my opponent talks about the need to get out of there, in washington, after having been there for 42 years, it is almost humorous. i don't need to have 99 town hall meetings to know what is going on in iowa. i live here. i am here.

i have lived here my entire life. try to serve the people of this state to the best of my ability. i believe washington does change people. the money, the power that -- that people enjoyed when they are there for a long time changes the view and it's time for a breath of fresh air. senator grassley: i don't think my opponent means to apply -- imply that making these meetings and making the process of government work is something that is wrong about washington. that is kind of what i heard. i think all you have to do is ask the people who know me and work with me and say that chuck grassley is the same chuck grassley that went to the senate in 1980.

>> did you mean to suggest coming home is a bad thing? ms. judge: i think it is great he comes home. i just think it is strange he talks about the need to get out of washington and yet he has come back year after year and become a fixture in washington. openly talks about being a big deal in washington. there is a difference between living and working in washington for over 40 years. living and working in iowa for that same time. >> a follow-up, can you deny senator grassley has influence? how do you plan to make gains with no seniority? how do you plan to benefit iowa? ms. judge: when the seniority is

used for the benefit of your political party instead of the benefit of working families and iowa, that seniority really is not of great value. this is what we have seen happen. there has been deliberate obstruction. we have already talked about the issue of the supreme court. we have also talked about the immigration bill and many other issues that are being obstructed right now. the people know that and want to see progress. if you haven't been able to make the progress that needs to be made, it is time to come home and have someone else give it a try. >> why should people send you back to the senate? senator grassley: my friends say i don't smile enough. that makes me smile.

to get things done in washington, you have to work across party lines. my record, since i have been chairman of the judiciary committee, 30 bills all bipartisan. 13 of them have been signed by democratic president. i am sponsoring criminals justice reform with a democratic whip. i have had discussions with president obama on the bill he supports. if you don't want to take my word for it, go to the georgetown university study released maybe six months ago. they studied all 100 senators. i came in in the top five. when you say getting things done has to be done in a bipartisan way, i have proved it.

you can get things done. 13 bills by a democratic president says it all. >> you appear to be itching for 30 seconds. ms. judge: i would just say the work load in the senate in the last year or two has been the lightest in years and years, probably since the eisenhower years. let's get back to work. let's talk about moving the economy. student loan debt, climate change. clean air and clean water. we need to be talking about the issues that are important to people today. they are not being addressed. senator grassley: can i answer about the workload? >> you have 30 seconds. senator grassley: senator reid basically shut down the united states senate. we had 18 role calls on

amendments. 18 role calls on amendments. even democrats could not offer amendments. we said if we took over the senate, we will make it work and perform. we had many more roll amendments. the first thing we called was the xl pipeline bill to create 20,000 jobs. the president vetoes and we could not override the veto. there were other things we put on the president's desk that reid would never have let go there. >> candidates promise to work across party lines. how can you reassure iowans you will keep this promise if elected? senator grassley: i just dated one record.

let me go back to what i said in my opening statement. $48 billion back in the federal treasury. in 2006, helping on medicaid for middle income people with high cost children's care. special needs kids. senator kennedy and i got the family opportunity act passed. congress had exempted itself from lots of legislation from 1938 to 1995. a senator from connecticut, a democrat and i got the congressional accountability act so those laws cover us now. part d of medicare was a bill that senator baucus, a democrat from montana and i worked on so senior citizens could get prescription drugs because they

had never had it under medicare. those are just some of the pieces of legislation i have worked across party lines to do real things to help real people were abide by a principal that congress is not different than the rest of the people. >> how will you reassure iowans you will keep that promise? ms. judge: i believe that we need to be having discussion, whether we all agree or we do not is immaterial. but you have to be willing to listen. you have to appreciate your counterpart's point of view. and when you understand their point of view, start looking for common ground. where you can meet and you can start moving forward. again, we have heard quoting a lot of history from the senate.

i am less concerned about history than i am about the issues that are on the minds of iowans today. those are the issues i want to go to washington to talk about. not just democrats, but republicans as well. issues of getting the economy going. creating jobs. making education affordable. prescription drug costs. the environment, clean water, clean air, climate change. these are issues we are going to have to talk about and we will have to talk about them in a bipartisan way or we will never make progress. senator grassley: the issues you folks have brought up here are the same that come up in my q&a sessions. you are asking about the issues my constituents say they are interested in and i don't think my opponent should say that the issues are not being discussed. ms. judge: are they being discussed on the floor of the

senate? i know they are being discussed in iowa, senator. i live here. i have been on this campaign since last march, talking to people just as you have, and i hear the same things you do. i also hear a whole lot of frustration about the fact that they are not being discussed. there is no action in washington. washington is broken. washington is gridlocked. senator grassley: we passed the highway bill, it could have been extended the first year of the obama administration, but it wasn't. we reformed -- we did away with no child left behind, passed a new education bill. that has been reauthorized year after year after year. should have been reauthorized seven or eight years ago. things like that. i should not take up all your time to go through a long list of things, but this senate has produced. >> thank you, senator.

that will do it for our questions from our panel. when we return, we get our closing statements. you are watching the iowa u.s. a debate. >> we have now come to the conclusion of our iowa u.s. senate debate. it is time for closing statements. each candidate will get two minutes for their closing statement. it will happen in the same order as the opening statements. the person who had the first word will not also have the last word. the first closing statement tonight comes from patty judge. you have two minutes. ms. judge: thank you very much. this time has just flown by. i have enjoyed being here, enjoyed having the opportunity to answer your questions. i have enjoyed having the opportunity to have a discussion with senator grassley also. i think you heard very clearly two points of view that we have been able to articulate, and i

think the conclusion is that chuck grassley in 42 years has not really changed washington. washington, in fact, probably has changed him. today, we see gridlock and obstruction. we see great unhappiness, working families across this country know that their needs are not being addressed, and we need to make that work. we need to be talking about economic opportunity in our country. we went through a rough recession. we are rebounding from that, but not as vigorously as we would like. we should be investing in infrastructure in the country, as a way to create good jobs. we need to raise the minimum wage, folks, to $15 an hour over the next six years and start pumping some money back into the economy. we need to get student loan debt under control. we need to let students start refinancing those debts and

stretching the terms so that they can take part in our economy just as we have had that opportunity. we need to be talking about social security and making certain that it is there for people as they retire. as it was promised when they began their working careers. we need to be talking about the environment and climate change. we cannot deny it. science is real, climate change is real, and we have to take action. so, i want to thank you all. we have got lots of issues. this has been a spirited conversation and a spirited campaign. and again, i am very proud to stand before you. i ask for your vote. and as we say good night, i want to also say god bless iowa and god bless the united states of america. >> thank you, mrs. judge. senator grassley, you have two minutes for the final word tonight. senator grassley: thank you, moderators, thank you, viewers, thank you, audience.

you have heard me say many times tonight about my work for iowans . that is my work. you also heard a lot from my opponent. i think you heard a that -- heard a lot that represents an agreement with the failed policies of the last years, whether it is obamacare that she likes, whether it is epa regulations she likes, or whether it is waters of the u.s., something that will be a real problem for farmers if it finally goes through. i work for iowans, as i told you. senators from their individual states have to work for their constituents. let me repeat in three different ways -- one, creating jobs. i talked about wind energy, because i never knew it would be the big thing that turned out to be when i got it passed in 1992, or exports and good export policy, or when i passed the false claims act, bringing in $48 billion to make sure

that the taxpayers' money is responsibly handled. i did not know that would bring in $48 billion, but it has. and then the third responsibility working for iowans is making sure you are safe. i have a responsibility to protect you as much as i can from isis or terrorists, whether it is over there or right here, domestically. remember, the fbi director said they are watching 900 people in the united states and at least one in every state. and finally, an economic program that will grow, not like the last eight years where everything has been stagnant. we need to create jobs. that's what i've done in my years, and i will continue these three things if i am reelected. finally, i ask you for your vote. >> thank you, senator. unfortunately, that is our time.

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leader,ally the team that is why we keep them behind a locked door. on the job aser well, keeping us looking good on the video stream. todaynk the c-span team for making us look good on c-span, i guess. i have not seen it. yesterday, halloween, lots of kids at the door. we had lots of trick-or-treaters. bill: i forgot to introduce our guest. >> hello. trick or treat. [laughter] we had double igors on the show. >> when we had igor vs. igor, this igor won. >> we have to have a rematch.

igor from mother russia. i was saying yesterday was halloween, trick or treat. up along the doorsteps of america, including the white house. the president and the first lady greeted military families and their children with lots of goodies. the president had a message that every kid in america wants to hear -- on this day at least, you do not have to pay attention to michelle and healthy eating. >> candy for everybody. >> in fact, the later ebt candy, the better. -- the later you eat the candy, the better. peter brought in some leftover halloween candy.

i'm going to indulge. by thee joined again next vice president of the united states in just a little bit. but first -- >> making news, tonight is the night. game six in cleveland. picks back up.s the chicago cubs at the cleveland indians. it is do or die for the chicago cubs. one more loss and they are gone. i am just saying, the cleveland indians could close it out tonight. wins, that keeps them alive for a game seven. kicks off tonight at 8:00 eastern time. it is at progressive field in cleveland. stay up late to watch that one commission be a good game. to go to sevenng games, by the way. to get millennials undo vote, the liberal super pac next gen climate as an idea.

this is the group of tom steiger in california. this is what they are doing to get millennials up to vote. they are going to have puppies to the polls. >> oh man. >> azevedo, nevada and north carolina, they're going to have puppies. toy're going to have puppies play with before you vote. what is cooler than that? >> they need to have puppy cams as well. bill: they need uber, but fort voting. >> the group said -- >> bring some puppies home, will you? >> the group said, quote, we will do anything to get you to vote, and we mean anything including bringing puppies. you have cat cafes, not you can with puppies.

bill: we used to give people a dozen donuts for voting. precincts where we needed to get extra voter turnout we would give out free doughnuts. a dozen free donuts. there are a lot of places where you come in with your "i voted" sick they will give you free stuff. -- which way do dog owners lane? -- lean? >> that's a good point. you are an animal rights person, right? how about this, coming up later this month, and laurent a will be celebrating her birthday. turnma is going to 117-years-old. assuming she makes it to november 29. >> oh, come on.

>> i'm not trying to be dark, i'm just saying she's 116 now. how did she live so long? bill: probably bourbon and cigars. >> you're not far off. she eats two eggs every day, and cookies. she eats the eggs raw. a doctor told her several decades ago that eating several raw eggs would help her with her anemia. raw eggs and cookies. i don't know if it is together. bill: i would rather die young than e2 raw -- than eat two raw eggs a day. >>t there -- breakfast beer,

you'd have a raw egg in your beer. still a raw egg, tough to get down. i promise. bill: 14 minutes after the hour. where do we start? let's start with the fact that how bad thissays james comey thing is. it is the worst thing we have ever seen in american politics. >> this is the biggest scandal since watergate. hillary wants to blame everyone else for mounting legal troubles , but she has brought all of this on herself. bill: the biggest scandal since watergate. is that what you are reporting on the huffington post? >> do you expect him to overstate anything? [laughter] no, it is crazy.

first of all, if he had any knowledge of history he would know that is absolutely not the case. second of all he is clearly politicizing and making a big deal out of it. the sole james comey announcement played into his pocket. downs looking like he was for the count and now he has new ammunition and he has been whacking hillary clinton over this day in and out. polls as morning showed some softening for her, which may or my -- may not have started even before the comey announcement. he has some ammunition now to work with, so we will see. the lead story on the huffington post today points out to a large extent, the focus has shifted from hillary to comey, particularly on the russian connection. it seems from leaks in the fbi ok, they may have just

discovered this trove of hillary emails,or huma abedin but there is also an ongoing investigation into the trump campaign in connections to russia. as you point out, there are all kinds of levels of possible russian connections here. work us through some of them. >> first of all you have trump'smer -- you have former campaign chair with all these ties to russia and ukraine. ,here is a purported server trump organization server that is making contact with russian banks. all these different ties -- trump's own finances, we do not know what is in them. there are all of these different strands. roger stone, clearly with a connection to julian assange.

he knows what wikileaks is going to be talking about. he said ahead of time, john podesta e-mails. wikileaks is obviously where intelligence agencies are getting all this from sources close to the russian government. you combine all of that and then according toree, leaks from the fbi, that they would not talk about any of this trump russian related stuff because it might be seen as interfering in this election. i mean, that part i do not understand. comey reportedly earlier this month, this year, made a decision not to come forward and tell the american public about this investigation out of concern that it would unfairly influence the election. and then came out last week and said that he was restarting the , basicallystigation

deciding that one was more important than the other. i still do not understand his reasoning there. might be him try to cover his job later on. it is a little bit perplexing. bill: you can say cover your ass on cspan. [laughter] it is allowed. they say worse on c-span. what brian lamb says on c-span is a shame. to point out that congressman adam shifts, a ranking democrat on the intelligence committee from california, he made a point about the implications of comey. the girl is: transparency they will have a different word for later -- what will goled to down as a colossal mistake by

the bureau. it injects the bureau into the partisan political game. and the justice department. >> to make matters worse, the justice department is totally gone. nobody has even heard from them. , thata lynch obviously meeting with bill clinton on the tarmac that trump is still hammering about. now she has drove just chosen not to intervene. s, she could's bos have said something. you have that playing out. the fbi is leaking more than the titanic right now. it is a weird way to run this campaign off fbi leaks. there seem to be competing interests in the fbi. one hour you have won lee, the next hour you have another leak. there are a lot of moving parts and is not appear to be slowing down. bill: comey seems to be out of

control. lost control, that's right. it does not seem likely that he is going to come out and clarify what this investigation is about. damned if youin a do, damned if you don't situation right now. bill: you are welcome to join the conversation. that number again is 866-55-press. do you think this will have any impact either way on this election? date this week isn't that donald trump is going to release his tax returns? i forget. we will be right back. that light at the end of the tunnel, it is the bill press show. >> what's that? >> that is for the podcast

stuff. that is what the podcast is going to be going out on. your hair looks fine. >> here's the thing. or sunday at he spend a good chunk of the day cleaning it up on top, because it was wild. >> when he finished, did you notice? >> i didn't recognize it until much later the next day. i got in front of a mirror and said, that is weird, there is a long hait there. it was bad. it was bad. -- long hair there.

bill: we want to ask kaine -- and early voting? >> yeah, definitely. >> that is not a bad thing to

make some news on. >> what's that? >> the workers strike in philadelphia. >> i think they are out today. >> yeah.

up?hat's >> howard morton from c-span put of himot -- just a shot -- >> hey, alright. >> our printer has never gotten so much airtime. [laughter] >> all right. now i can talk.

cup of coffee. >> you got the juice now. here we go. popeye needs his spinach. >> all right. here we go. ♪ >> this is "the bill press show." bill: you got it. 26 minutes after the hour now at the half hour we'll be joined by senator tim kaine, democratic candidate for vice president, out on the campaign trail. not sure exactly where he is today, but we'll catch up with him and get his latest take, particularly on the fbi and comey's announcement last friday. i wanted to ask you about a -- we saw yesterday that the clinton campaign, some people thought, as a way of getting focus maybe off the emails, they released the so-called daisy ad where the woman who was the

little girl back in the daisy ad back in 1964 comes forward again saying we never thought our kids or she never thought her kids would have to worry about the same thing that they had to worry about in 1964. do we have a little bit ad there, jamie? >> this is me in 1964. the fear of nuclear war we had as children i never thought our children would have to deal with that again. to see that coming forward in this election is really scary. >> trump asked three times -- >> three times why we can't use nuclear weapons. >> i want to be unpredictable. >> what safeguards are there to stop any president who may not be stable? bill: joe scarborough leading spokesperson against donald trump on this issue. it is an issue that hasn't gotten as much attention as it deserved in this presidential election. >> i think this is a second ad in the same theme on nuclear weapons.

bill: one released by a pac. >> then i think another one was, they got a former nuclear missile control guy out of minnesota, something like that to talk about the rick of having somebody like donald trump with his finger on the button. that is really effective. not something any campaign has ever run since lbj, i guess. it is a evisceral ad. people remember that ad being, they can connect to it. i think it is, as you said timing was dead on, the fact they were trying to sort of shift the conversation. bill: right. it raises the ultimate question about who do you want, who do you trust, to have their finger on that button, or close to the button even, in the time, god forbid, when we have a serious threat of a nuclear strike against the united states. with that we'll take a quick break. we'll come back and welcome, senator tim kaine.

>> this is "the bill press show." >> all right. i'm going to get out of here. >> ok. >> i believe he is in madison, wisconsin, by the way. >> we'll find out for sure. >> oh, sorry. man, mitt romney dressed up as mitt romney probably. bill: ah. hey, jamie? jamie? >> how are you? >> how are you doing, man? >> all right. >> this is igor. >> van newkirk.

>> have a seat in the chair. we'll get you up. yeah, perfect. >> senator kaine, you want us to -- >> yeah. just, listen in and enjoy. we'll talk about it after. >> jamie, confirm madison, wisconsin, right? confirm madison, wisconsin. is that where he is? ok.

class -- kaine is inm dubuque, iowa. today? yesterday -- bill: durham?

so he is in raliegh-durham? right. he is in durham? right. >> -- bill: and he's on the

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iaff.org. very are am pleased welcome to the program today to all of our regular viewers and listeners and to the c-span audience, the great senator from the state of virginia, democratic candidate for vice president, and i think i can say confidently, the next president -- vice president of the united states, senator tim kaine. good to have you with us today. senator kaine: bill, so glad to be with you. i will be in madison later today i do know if a big affiliate there. i'm glad we can talk this morning. bill: out to madison with her friends at 92.1. i forgot to ask you, are conducting this interview in english or spanish? i wasn't sure. senator kain: in english. i'm going to give a campaign speech in spanish live this week in phoenix.

i'm doing back-to-back events in phoenix and tucson, one in english and one in spanish. we will stick with english on this one. bill: thank you, senator, for that. let me ask you the big news of course that we can talk about the last few days, the announcement by fbi director james comey on friday. did he make a mistake, in your opinion, in raising this whole issue with 11 days ago in the campaign? senator kaine: i'll say this, bill. i know jim comey pretty well because he played a key role in the u.s. attorney's office, the eastern district of virginia when i was the mayor of richmond. we worked closely together. i have high regard for him, but i'm very troubled by this, puzzled by it. i think it's pretty clear what he did was in violation of the least two really important protocols that the law enforcement community follow, and one is not talking about an ongoing investigation. you don't do that. and second, there is a clear, long-standing pattern in the fbi and justice department of not putting out information that could be politically controversial on the eve of an

election. we know from reporting yesterday that director comey is very aware of both of those. he appeared before congress at the end of september and was asked questions about investigations into russian activity, to compromise the american election. he said we don't comment on pending investigations. and then about 10 days later on the 7th of october, a whole slew of national intelligence agencies put out a statement saying that they had verified that russia was trying to engage in activity to influence the american election. and jim comey would not sign , he didn't disagree with the conclusion according to reporting yesterday by the reporting was he didn't cite because i don't want to put out controversial information right before an election. if there are those two clear protocols and he understood them and has been following them, why would he have broken both of them last friday? he had to almost immediately

within a day kind of do a do-over letter. i'm just very troubled by what appears to be a double standard. i've called upon the director to clarify, why is there a double standard in this case? bill: do you believe, do you also believe he broke the law as senator harry reid has suggested? senator kaine: harry suggested that and i've not read his letter so i don't know the legal argument there and have no opinion about that. but what i am really focused on is our these two protocols and they are there for a reason. he don't talk about an ongoing investigation because what if it turns out there's nothing there? leaking information that somebody is being investigated is itself harmful. on the thought that you may find there's nothing there and not go forward, you don't talk about it while it's pending.

that is a very important principle, a very important principle for a justice official. the second one is equally important. don't inject into the closing phase of the campaign you know people take and use for political purposes. donald trump took that letter the director sent and within minutes he was misrepresenting it, misrepresented it as if the fbi was reopening the investigation into hillary clinton which they are not. that's why don't put up that kind of information right before an election. bill: are you worried about what might be in these e-mails? what we notice in these? what has hillary clinton told you about these e-mails? senator kaine: i am not worried about it. i've community with hillary but not with huma. i am not worried about it for this reason, the fbi did such an extensive investigation on this matter months and months and months with a lot of manpower involved. and huma was completely cooperative with them and gave them everything that she had. and then they reached a

conclusion, and the conclusion was every unequivocal one, as director comey testified. he said there is no reasonable prosecutor, not one would take this case further. when he was asked at the hearing about even that strong conclusion he said and i reached that conclusion. it wasn't even close that should be the conclusion. so given that you looked at this for so long and they reached a conclusion that was very unequivocal, hillary says fine, look at anything you want but we don't expect it to be any different than the elaborate investigation you already conducted. bill: would love to have more time but i know you've got to run. another week to go. good luck in this final week and will talk to you again soon i'll. thank senator. senator kaine: 7 days of sprinting. thanks, bill.

bill: again, we're back in student in washington, d.c., igor bobic here for the entire hour. we are joined also by van newkirk, staff writer for the atlantic. welcome back. good to see you. good to see you. congratulations. you're pregnant. >> right. in april. bill: ok. senator tim kaine is a north carolina. you've been writing a lot about north carolina. wanted to get that with in the wheel had a few minutes. a lot of efforts in north carolina to suppress the vote or, that's what it is really. any progress in that? how has it impeded the vote of could impact the vote a week from today? >> i think what we've seen through the early voting period is two different things that both mean different things to do progress. we've seen early voting turnout over the first week, the first couple days, the first polls sunday. actually increased over 2012, or at least stayed the same based on from what we've seen with the

early returns. but in those numbers black turnout seems to have diminished from 2012. what we can't tell if that's a result of suppression efforts in some counties. that's what some people believe but it could just be there's a lack of enthusiasm among black voters after a state has tried to disenfranchise them for years on end. you might imagine that we have -- that would have some effect on just motivation to vote. bill: igor, want to come back to tim kaine. i should've asked right away. speaking for the campaign the hillary clinton campaign is coming down hard on jim comey accusing him of double standard. >> they are but i found interesting when you asked him whether he broke the law -- he did want to go there. he said i have no opinion on the. i don't know the legal argument. he kind of dodged it. i think they are trying to put

pressure on him, but they are not going far as to call for him to step down. bill: i believe hatch act violation is a stretch. i think to really violate you would have to join in the campaign, be part of a campaign, write a check to a candidate or walk precincts for something -- or something like that. >> and more so than that, whether jim comey had intent in doing it is hard to prove. bill: but there's no doubt, van, they been able to shift the focus here from hillary clinton or huma abedin with a little help from jim comey. >> we have seen focus on e-mail, on the whole scandal more so than policy or disenfranchisement efforts. and i think that does have the potential to hurt voter turnout in a lot of these swing states. bill: just because people are so

turned off by the whole -- >> people are so tired of everything. i think you already see a motivation problem in early voting returns. so how will this affect that motivation on election day? bill: on that question about the impact of this, hillary clinton said last week, it took them a while to get their act together in terms of how to respond to it jim comey -- it was such a bombshell, so unexpected. they did not know what he had. >> nobody does. bill: she said at one point in a little press conference she gave, i think most people have probably already made up their minds. do you agree? >> i think that's true. in the extent this story is having an impact on the polls come on voting, it's about enthusiasm, if the democrats

will show up, it's whether trump is bringing back republicans into the fold. whether this story helped down ballot candidates more than him. i think that will be the case. so i think it's not a bombshell, the game changer he is portraying it to be. bill: it does seem to be because we've been talking the e-mails for two years now that by this time and this new batch of e-mails most people don't us in with some old batch of e-mails. e-mails, e-mails. maybe what bernie sanders said over a year ago is right. the americant people have had enough of your damn e-mails. we are here with the new court and igor bobic i invite you to join the conversation. we will be right back. i wonder radio, tv, and online his is "the bill press show." >> i'm from there. where? >> rocky mount.

>> no, i mean -- [inaudible] >> i have been to charlotte, which i absolutely love. what kind of barbecue -- [indiscernible] bill: i thought hatch act thing was good. >> it was. bill: and the double standard. he didn't use the phrase and has been asking, are you accusing him of double standard, and then he did. >> are you guys good? does anybody need anything? >> we are good. >> it is hard to get him to make news.

he is really good. >> yeah, yeah. bill: yeah, i mean, we can think of all kinds of areas we could've gone with him. and the whole faith-based, that this whole thing, right from where he came from and he's got a lot of shift on the catholic bishops for being pro-choice with the catholic bishops. and there are so many areas you could go into. and then who would you recommend to replace him? that's a guessing game. >> always a fun thing. the top 10. bill: i asked harry if he would legally appoint himself.

next week so i asked him the question. he also, we had them on the show last week and asked, but he wouldn't, would even think about intel after november 8. you know they've got a short list. >> they have a list as well. bill: yeah. [indiscernible] >> that resulting -- the brazileng -- fre

thing? bill: yeah. >> i worked with cnn. bill: wrapping up here on a big tuesday, november 1, because it means we're down seven days away and we celebrate the closing moments of this campaign and the show with igor bobic from the huffington post and vann newkirk from "the atlantic," both of whom have been covering this campaign extensively. isn't it interesting that 21 million people already voted? >> yeah. i think we've seen in the last three elections early voting and absentee voting have become almost their own sort of separate thing to consider about voting. bill: why are republicans afraid of it? >> traditionally democrats will get out the vote early.

they have traditionally, historically. bill: because of the ground organization? >> right. that's why they want to restrict it, sort of hoodwinking that it's not what it all seems to be. bill: but they could also put together a ground operation and get their people out to vote, right? and why not do that rather than suppress the vote? >> i think when you're looking at the southern states, especially the ground operation for republicans looks so much different than for democrats because of who you have to target. so it's much harder to get rural people in the south organized in the same way that it is for, say, something like where you have a group of people and -- the strategy is a bit different. >> i think the other day after a trump rally in vegas, actually, they rolled up all these black

limo buses outside to take people to the polls. they barely got anybody i think. >> is about right? bill: either way, i love that souls to the polls movement. i think it's so cool. i love the whole concept. people go to church and a walk from the church or whatever right to the polling place. so 40 million people will have voted voted by next tuesday, already have voted. >> we will see with the turnout will be versus 2012, given it's clinton-trump, whether hillary does drive out african-americans. she's also has some problems in florida, i believe, early voting to a couple counties of there. i'm curious what, our black voters not as enthused about hillary versus obama? >> the other thing happening in florida and north carolina is both were hit pretty hard by hurricane matthew. both of the places that were hit pretty hard across, from florida to north carolina, that stretch

of the states to the east of i-95 is the highest concentration of black voters. and so you see all of these different historical things. they have always been the places that turned of the least until obama. you don't know whether it's some counties decided to suppress the vote issue of whether it's just a return to the same old patterns of disenfranchisement, of being marginalized. it's difficult. bill: it's a week away but i want you to get your crystal ball out and let me know, a week or so just basin all the reporting you've done and you know what the polls show today, next tuesday the winner in the presidential election will be -- >> hillary. >> hillary. bill: the senate will be democratic or republican? >> i think it's harder to see. i think democrats will squeak out a smaller margin.

bill: senate? >> i give them four. bill: the house? >> republican definitely. bill: no chance? >> not a chance at all. bill: why do you guys agree on everything? so the follow-up question is, let's assume it turns out that way and your huffington post, i know, polling machine shows hillary clinton today is a 90% chance of winning the -- >> certain. bill: what happens to the in republican party if donald trump loses that badly? >> you basically blow up the entire party. you have trump and his own creation, antitrade, pro-nationalist voices. and you've got the pieces, you have paul ryan sitting in the house trying to keep it together versus his right flank, the freedom caucus of course they will be trying to cause trouble.

bill: so it will continue to be chaos is what you're saying? >> i think we underestimated at some level, the degree to which republicans actually hate hillary clinton what a galvanizing force she before the. i think it's still too early to say whether they've completely dissolved. we saw what republicans did against obama as soon as he came into office. they unified. bill: can they rebuild the party? >> i think despite even if clinton wins in a landslide, i think they see the power of sort of social issues, social angst as a naked tool of turnout, instead of sort of higher ideals and what we've seen and they think the recent bloomberg poll is the person is benefiting the most is actually mike pence. the person -- i think people see, republicans see a trump

vision of the party as more of their own more often than they do, say, paul ryan. they see the person to lead that vision is mike pence. bill: you have it. answer coming. igor, great to have you. >> thank you. bill: and i get the final word or a parting shot coming up next. stay tuned. >> that was great. >> thanks for having us. >> we got you. you are good. you can set it on the table. sort of a tight fit in your -- in here right now. >> good to see you. >> all right, later. >> peter, peter, peter, i didn't get a parting shot. did you print it?

i hope you got it. bill: no, i don't have it. >> ok. bill: got it coming? >> it's coming. bill: cool.

>> sorry. bill: anything else? >> not yet. bill: ok.

>> at first i thought that was keith olbermann when i looked up. geez. bill: i think the hour is going by pretty fast. ♪ shot with bill press. this is the bill press show. it turns out it is not hillary clinton nor donald trump.

the big loser really is james comey, the director of the fbi, who has come under criticism, widespread criticism from both republicans and democrats, first because he sounded the alarm about those e-mails before he even knew how many e-mails there were, who sent them, whether or not they were significant or relevant were contained any classified information. second, even though the attorney general warned him not to, he dropped that stink bomb just 11 days before november 8, decades ofiolating justice department policy to stay out of politics. his action was a monumental display of incompetence, mismanagement, bad judgment, and gross partisanship, and in the end, james comey alone may be hurt. he will certainly be looking for a new job come november 9. that is my parting shot for today, folks. thanks for being with us. thank you, c-span, for being

with us today. go out and have a great tuesday. combat again for tomorrow. back again-- come for tomorrow. >> this is "the bill press show." >> on wednesday,live washington, d.c., hugh hewitt is a.m. onm 6:00 to 9:00 thursday. author and progressive radio host tom hartman and on friday, from 9:00 a.m. until noon, a conservative local perspective on the mic elegant show, live from new york city. mike gallagher show, live from new york city. feelsaker ryan says he the need to support the entire

republican ticket but his role is keeping the gop in charge of congress. we talked with a congressional reporter with how that is playing out on the campaign trail. >> 17 states, 42 cities, that -- been the joining us on the phone is james arkin. >> thank you having me on. what has been paul ryan's message this month? paul's message has been that no matter what the focus is going to be, what he is trying to do is convince voters that no matter what they need a , republican majority in the house. you see him holding up his wayhlet for his better agenda that he developed earlier this year with house leaders. he is basically talking about what he wants house republicans

to be able to pass if they maintain the majority. he is not really talking about the top of the ticket unless he is criticizing hillary clinton. he is essentially saying we have this agenda. we hope to be able to pass it through the house, but you need to be able to send it back with a house majority. he has done campaigning telling them they need congressional majorities to be able to pass his agenda. >> on that note has he faced , political head wind from the trump campaign or are republicans coming home to donald trump and commercially to house republicans running for election or reelection? mr. arkin: no doubt that he and other republicans in the house have faced some serious headwinds from donald trump. democrats are hopeful there are signs that donald trump's poll numbers are bottoming out.

this could cause problems are republicans down the ballot. there is also the question of whether certain republicans who either have walked away from donald trump or been issue washy wishy-washyttle bit on whether they have supported him will face some act last. we see donald trump tweeting and in some interviews saying negative things and going after paul ryan a little bit. ryan has not pushed back. he is not argue about trump at the top of the ticket. there are definite head winds from donald trump for republicans both in terms whether or not they can convince moderates who are turned off by them and bring trump supporters candidates who might not have been full throated in their support of trump. >> it is taking a look at new hillary clinton e-mails. but national polls right now today indicate it may not have a significant impact on her race. my question, some are theorizing

it could have an impact on house races. mr. arkin: it is an interesting thing. most of the people i have talked to from both parties agree with that assessment. they think in terms of how , voters think about hillary clinton and the problems that she has with e-mails, the cake is big. you either have a real problem with it or you don't think it is a big deal. either way you will not be , swayed one way or another based on the most recent revelations coming from the fbi on friday. it is a question on whether this will have any impact on the ballot. you talk to some democrats and they think it could actually energize some of the supporters who might have thought this race was a done deal. might have thought hillary clinton was going to walk away with it, so maybe they are not totally motivated to go to the polls but now they see the race tightening a little bit or it could just re-energize their feelings that hillary clinton has been treated unfairly. republicans dismiss that argument. they think it is spin from

democrats, and republicans think this could help them in the sense that some republican voters who are turned off by trump don't support him as the nominee, but do not like clinton either. they could be re-energized to go polls going by this republican argument we have seen about having the check and balance on clinton in terms of having a republican congress. argument a lot of republicans down the ballot have been making, that they need a republican congress in place to check the clinton administration. they are hopeful that if the conversation is about hillary clinton, about her e-mails and the fbi potentially investigating some of the e-mails, that some voters who may not have wanted to go to the polls because of their feelings about donald trump will have changed their mind and go to the polls to block hillary clinton. that is the argument they are making. it comes down to, it is difficult to predict. we do not know which way it will fall, but it will come down to

whether or not one side or the other sees an increase in turnout or increase in energy from their voters based on this. >> one week before the november eighth election, what will it take for democrats to recapture control of the house? what are you looking at? mr. arkin: i am thinking the odds for democrats taking over are pretty low. i do not think it is a 0% chance it happened, but a lot of things have to fall in place in the right way. they need, the democratic base to turn out and really high numbers, basically the same numbers for president obama in 2008 or better. they need republican turnout to be depressed in some of these swing districts, republicans not to show up at the polls at all. they need donald trump's poll numbers the bottom to fall out.

,they need to push-will digits -- they need to push high single digits. right now you look at the generic ballot in terms of congressional races, 3.7 percentage points. i do not think that is big enough for democrats to take back the house. most analysts think maybe 16-20 seats could be a high mark of them. it would be a good night for democrats, but leave them 10 seats short to take back the house. we are looking at democratic gains. we could be looking at potentially very large democratic gains. unless a lot of things fall into in the perfect confluence of events on election night we , are looking at democrats falling short and republicans holding on to the majority. >> as speaker ryan been effective on a camp ain't trail -- has speaker ryan been effective on the trail for his fellow house republicans? mr. arkin: he has. he has got near universal name recognition. he brings news attention.

there are ads with him getting his support. he is popular among republicans and he brings a lot of money to the table. he is going to do an event with barbara in northern virginia district that is a very competitive race in the next week or so and last time he was in that district, he brought in $400,000 in one event. he is a huge fundraiser and has given tens of millions to the nrc see. -- nrcc. i think he has been a very effective surrogate for down ballot republicans across the board. >> the polling and reporting available at realclearpolitics.com. thank you for being with us. mr. arkin: thanks for having me on. house speaker paul ryan has campaigned for dozens of gop house candidate for the election season. here is what he said during a conference in north las vegas.

[applause] rep. ryan: thank you for being here. cresentu for supporting hardy. this man has a big heart and very broad shoulders. [laughter] rep. ryan: one of his first panel meetings was here two years ago and he has been coming ever since. here is what we are trying to achieve. kevin gave such a great voice to it. we have an agenda we are actually running on and talking about. you may not have heard about it because there is a lot going on in tv these days. here is what number one of our six part plan is, fight poverty. go at the root causes of poverty. [applause] here is the way we

see things. you know what all the great , ideas are not out there in washington, d.c. we are not listening to the technocrats in washington. if we do that, then we will get more of the same. we are in year 51 of this big war on poverty. unfortunately poverty is winning , this war. so we are taking a new approach. ,our approach is used to been years and one mouth -- use two ears and one mouth and find out what is working. how do we get behind them and then measure success in this battle for for mobility? this will replace poverty with opportunity. measure success based on results. too much what government does is it sees success as effort. how much money are we spending? how many programs are we creating? we spend a billion dollars a year in 80 different programs and we think success is more of

that. we need to measure success in the war on poverty in are we getting people out of poverty? this is why i am so excited to be here with cresent hardy. he said i don't have the answers but i will find out where they are. i'm going to get behind them. the key to winning this, to replacing poverty with toportunity, is eye eye, soul to soul community by , community. let me point to john connor. we pay attention to, someone we learn from. his hope for prisoners program is a beautiful manifestation of the idea we are talking about.

he is getting people coming out of prison and working with law enforcement and the faith community to get people's lives rebuilt and making redemption work, helping people get out of poverty. we need to respect that and not replace the facts. what we are trying to do is get everybody to come together. this is not a partisan thing. this is a what works thing. how do we take sure that we respect these front-line poverty fighters? how do we respect local communities and take these great ideas that work and make sure they are spread around the country so we can see this moment for what it is? a moment where we reclaim the american idea. it is really simple. the condition of your birth does not determine the outcome of your life. you can make it in this country. does not matter who you are or where you come from. the problem we have today is there are a lot of people who don't see that. a lot of people who do not believe it. there are communities and generations that it is passing , them by. if it is not true for everybody

then it really is not true after all is it? ,this is our mission. this is number one in our agenda. how do we restore the american idea for everybody? we do that by listening, learning, going with what works, by supporting the great community poverty fighters. getting people on the ladder of opportunity. and so, i just want to thank you all. we have an election in 10 days. this man, cresent hardy, he is fighting for you. this man has a big heart. this man is working hard. he sees the struggle that is happening in nevada's fourth district and he is going to bat for you every day. i want to thank you and ask you, like everybody else is, go fight for cresent hardy because he will keep fighting for you. thank you very much and god bless you. thank you. [applause]

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>> by the way, tim from national review tweeting that speaker ryan will be doing an interview tomorrow with hugh hewitt on his radio show. you can find that tomorrow on c-span two. coming up in a little more than a half an hour here on c-span, wikipedia founder jimmy wales will speak about his views on decentralization, disruptive technology and the spread of knowledge. that is coming up in about 40 minutes at 6:00 eastern. hillary clinton and donald trump are all but tied in the latest washington post/abc news tracking poll with mr. trump at 46% and mrs. clinton at 45% in a four-way contest.

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statements is continues now with the candidates in minnesota's eighth congressional district between incumbent congressman rick nolan, a democrat and republican steward mills. this debate is about a half hour. ♪ >> good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us. i am leah mclean. we will take an in-depth look at minnesota's legislative races and discuss what is at stake for the candidates running for state house and senate seats and issues at the heart of many of these races. first tonight, the candidates running for congress in minnesota's eighth district will take part in a discussion of the issues. you will hear from rick nolan and republican challenger stewart mills. eighthta's congressional district includes mining, one of the regions most

prominent industries, along with agriculture, tourism, and shipping. nolan won the district seat in 2012. this is a rematch of 2016 when he beat stewart mills i less than 3800 votes. it was also one of the most nolanexpensive congressional rn the country with outside groups spending nearly $13 million on the candidates. this race is on track to match, even beat that total this year. and now, joining us tonight, we nolan and stewart mills. we would like to start by giving you the opportunity to meet and -- make an opening statement. when i first went into public life, my father said, if you do a few things i will always be proud of you. mr. mills: number one, be honest, work for the common good.

nothing against the rich and powerful, but do not worry too much about them. they have a way of taking care of themselves. i try to honor my father's words and i get up every morning, saying, "what can my staff and i do to create more jobs with living wages and benefits for the working men and women in this country, to protect social security, medicare, stop these bad trade deals, provide better benefits for our veterans and protect the american public?" say thean: i'm glad to universities have found me to be one of the most effective members of the congress and others have found me to be among the most respected for integrity, so i am proud of that record and i want to continue to serve, to protect and work for the things that are important for the people of minnesota's eighth congressional district and the rest of our nation. s?ah: mr. mill aboutlls: elections are

values and priorities and was the best fit for that. congressman nolan has represented the priorities and of the washington elite. but congressman nolan and f-rated clinton are by the national rifle association and they think obamacare is a great step to health care, and they've have both engaged in a war on coal. hillary clinton wants to put a lot of coal miners out of business. iranianh think the nuclear deal is great for diplomacy. , was the no limits to bring in 100,000 syrian refugees before the end of this year. nolan wants to bring in 100,000 syrian refugees

before the end of this year. his value systems matchup perfectly with hillary clinton and the washington, d.c. elite. good you brought up some topics and we are going to date into a lot of these now. i want to start with the economy. without a lot of minnesotans are very concerned about the economy. minnesota as a whole is one of the top states when it comes to having low unemployment. not all industries are created equal. what needs to be done to make sure the eighth is economically viable when it comes to creating and sustaining jobs and job ?rowth mr. mills? mr. mills: the eighth congressional district is energy reliant. the number one cost of doing business is power, it is energy. when you have the obama administration that is engaged in a war on coal, that has it toe it more expensive for us be competitive, and congressman

nolan voted against an act which would have reigned in the epa and the obama administration's war on coal we have seen that , how our energy policies have put us at a competitive disadvantage. rather than going and perfecting clean coal technologies, which we have. we have taken away a vital power source that would have allowed us to be much more competitive on the world stage. certainly we need tax and , regulatory reform. congressman nolan voted for one of the biggest regulatory regimes foisted upon the american people. we have seen time and time again how washington, d.c. has gotten the tax and regulatory policy wrong and also the energy policy. what we need to do is make sure that in a mainstream oriented economy, and a economy that is

so energy dependent that we get the priorities of greater minnesota straight. leah: rep. nolan? rep. nolan: when it comes to the iron range mining, it is what we are all about. everyone in my neighborhood worked in the mines, i have tried to remind people that mining is not just important for the iron range, it is important for our national economy and our national security. it is vital to this nation's success. i am proud to say that as a result of the work i have done in expediting commerce claims against illegal steel dumping, getting more personnel at customs to catch the cheaters, and more importantly, getting tariffs as high as 500% on cold rolled and hot rolled and corrosive resistant steel, we have seen a decline in illegal steel dumping into this country which is good for our national , economy and also good for the seenrange, and we have 1000 miners go back to work on

the iron range at forbes and silver bay. iff's natural -- cl resources says no one has done more. in fact it is the work that i , have done that inspired them to put 1000 workers back to work and inspired them to invest $65 million more in new technologies for development. i am proud to say that i enjoy the support of mining executives, of steelworkers, the support of industries and have been named the iron and steel institute as the national steel champion of the year. mining is who we are and what we do. in addition to that, of course, paper and forestry and tourism are vital parts of our economy in the north country. leah: let's talk about some of the trade deals that have been discussed lately. the tpp, nafta, those have been discussed a lot especially in this political season. i want to ask what is your stance on these trade deals and if elected, would you try to keep them the same or make any

changes? rep. nolan, to you first. rep. nolan: starting with nafta, which was a terrible trade deal we saw tens of thousands of , american manufacturing operations move overseas along with millions and millions of good american jobs. i have built my own export trading company so i have seen how the rest of the world works. i know a little bit about these trade issues. i am opposed to the transpacific partnership and i think all these deals that we did in the past have to be renegotiated. we built the strongest middle-class economy anywhere in the world in the last century. which included social security and medicare and rules to protect our air and water and environment and then to come , along with the model for the have air to breathe

and water to drink, and now we say, you have to compete with people who don't have to do any of that? in vietnam, they are paying $.65 an hour. we cannot begin to compete with that nor should we be expected to compete with that. we have to have trade guilds that require them to rise to our level of affluence and prosperity, not drag us down to their level of poverty and deprivation. leah: mr. mills, to you. rep. nolan: -- mr. mills: i agree. nafta was something that should have had a sunset or a view period, it has not worked out. bill clinton signed that into law, it should never have become law. i am opposed to the transpacific partnership. we cannot hermetically seal our economy inside our borders. 95% of all of our potential customers are outside the united states. what we need to do is get very aggressive and negotiate some really tough trade deals to make sure that our trading partners cannot cheat. they cannot dump products onto

our market and manipulate our currency. they have to respect our intellectual property. they cannot subsidize our workforce or industries. and furthermore we have to stop , farming our national sovereignty out to the world trade organization or to an appendage of the u.n. we need a u.s.-based trade remedy authority that is staffed by united states citizens to make sure that if there is cheating or dumping, that we are able to snap countervailing tariffs in place almost immediately. we do not have to go hat in hand and have an almost endless series of hearings. we need to take control of our national sovereignty but negotiate extremely tough trade deals. leah: to the topic of taxes. how do you make people succeed in your district? mr. nolan. rep. nolan: we need a flatter fair tax code. we need to make sure that folks behind the poverty rate do not

pay any more income tax whatsoever. we need to have a limited number of deductions. it does not have to be one or two bank or three or four, but it has to be small enough where we can sell it out on the back of a postcard and turn it in. the internal revenue service has gotten too big. it has gotten too unwieldy. they are administrating parts for health care, we have the likes of lois lerner that are making some horrible decisions that have been punitive against pro-american groups. time and time again, we have seen what our tax policy has done to our economy. 1% economic growth is not a good result. we need tax and regulatory reform, and we have to get back to our last best place of success when we had to bow neil -- tip o'neill and ronald

reagan, two great bipartisan's work together for true bipartisan tax reform that ushered in the largest and the longest economic boom in u.s. history. mr. nolan: this is probably one of the issues where we could not disagree more strongly. my opponent favors more tax breaks for the superrich and wall street billionaires. i oppose them. i think their taxes should be increased. they have benefited enormously from the readiness of our nation and they should be willing to step up and pay their fair share which many of us would , argue they are not. in minnesota, for example we , found, for example, people making $20,000 to $50,000 a year are paying up to 33% on average in a combination of real estate sales and income and other taxes, whereas someone making $1 million or more is paying 13%. if you made 30 and only got 22 live on but if you made a million you still have a hundred $170,000 to live on.

who is benefiting the most? my theory of economics is the percolate up theory. to build from the middle out, not the trickle-down theory. which has proved to be so disastrous and the imbalance between the rich and the poor right now in this country is perilously close to exactly what it was before the great depression that occurred in this country sometime ago. so we have got to support a , federal minimum wage which i believe you oppose. if someone goes to work every day, they are entitled to an income from that. to allow them to live with some modest degree of comfort. what this country does not need is more tax breaks for the rich. what we need is more income for the working men and women in this country. mr. mills: if i may have a quick rebuttal? congressman, with all the respects. respect, that is a mischaracterization. i am not going to congress to serve wall street. i am not for making sure that wall street is more successful. rep. nolan: you want tax breaks

for wall street. mr. mills: i am not. i am focused on the individuals, -- rep. nolan: are you saying you have not advocated for tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires? mr. mills: no, i have not. just being against the cash for clunkers program does not mean i am against those programs. rep. nolan: this means you benefited from them. mr. mills: i most certainly have not. rep. nolan: cash for clunkers, do you not sell a lot of clunkers? mr. mills: that is a member of my family. i am not involved in that and i , had a front room seat. the federal government screwed it up and it was not a net benefit. not to the automotive retailers. that is untrue. just one other thing. you know what as far as the , minimum wage is concerned, yes, you are right. i am against the federal debt

federalagainst the minimum wage. it should be the states that are deciding what the correct minimum wage is for their state. we should not have washington, d.c. bureaucrats decide for all 50 states what should go on inside their borders when it comes to minimum wage. rep. nolan: we are one nation, and i think everybody in this country who is willing to go to work and put in eight hours, 40 hours a week, they are entitled to an income that would allow them to live with some modest degree of comfort. third -- you are telling us you do not support tax breaks and i am confused on what your position is on trade. i see an ad running on television by some group, it sure sounds like you saying you support free trade and you support these trade agreements, and you support this asia-pacific alliance. so which is it? mr. mills: that is a lie. rep. nolan: was that not you? mr. mills: we need to get out there and negotiate much tougher trade deals. rep. nolan: i did not hear that

part. mr. mills: you know why? you have not released the entire audio recording. do me a favor, you call on whatever committee put that out that is supporting you and have them release the entire audio recording. have them released the entire -- have them release the entire recording. as as is i do not support tpp. leah: we have got -- rep. nolan: what you are suggesting is illegal. we cannot -- mr. mills: you can ask them to release the entire audio recording right now. be more than would happy to have been release it. fact that wefor a cannot coordinate and collaborate with these independent agencies. to thels: you can turn camera and demand that right now as a u.s. congressman. rep. nolan: i heard you say you support free-trade. was also going out and negotiating much tougher trade deals, making sure we take control of our national sovereignty.

we cannot seal ourselves off from the rest of the economy. you know what, 95% of all of our customers outside of our borders, yes, we need much tougher tree -- point.lan: there is a i do not know what you said before or after, all i saw, a tv ad saying you support free-trade. let us talk about some more of these issues. i think our viewers have seen a lot of these ads going on, of course and they want to hear more about these other topics we have. national security and terrorism is an important topic for a lot of minnesotans. that is move on to this. we have seen isis inspired attacks happen in the u.s., attack of the st. cloud mall, 10 people were hurt. minnesotans who have been trying to join isis, going to syria. what needs to be done at the federal level to stop attacks and efforts that are happening here at home and things that are happening abroad? what efforts need to happen on the federal level to stop terrorism?

rep. nolan: for one thing we , have to defeat isis and that involves taking away their territory and taking away their money. interrupting their social media and propaganda programs, making sure that any of them attempting to come into the united states of america are carefully vetted and do not get into this country under any conditions and circumstances. and at home, we have the , homebred terrorists. we have to strengthen the resources that our police and offices are able to utilize in stopping the kind of attacks. i am proud to say the police and peace officers association has endorsed my campaign. we just have to do a better job of interrupting all of their propaganda and their access to guns and weapons, which is another issue between the two of us here. why on earth you would want to be able to sell guns to someone

who has pledged allegiance to killing us and are not even allowed to get on airplanes, why you would allow them to walk into your store or anybody else's store and buy guns is beyond me. but perhaps you can explain that. but these are some of the things we need to do to fight terrorism here and abroad. leah: mr. mills. mr. mills: i am endorsed by the fraternal order of police. he is talking about endorsements. you know, congressman nolan has a record on this subject. barack obama drew a red line in syria, and we did not follow up on that red line. as a matter of fact i believe , that congressman nolan got in a shouting match on a phone call with secretary kerry over enforcing that red line in syria. we did not, and into it, created a vacuum. the russians are leading in syria. unfortunately they are leading , in favor of the assad regime.

part of was manolo's record is that he wrote a letter on september 11, 2015 to the obama administration demanding that we bring in 200,000 refugees, 100,000 from syria. on the 18th of november of that same year, the homeland security committee concluded that we cannot bring in the refugees, 100,000 syrian refugees that congressman nolan wanted to bring in to this country safely. the director called me and said there is no way we can get these people, we do not know who they are. on the 19th, he politically conveniently voted for the safe act, but on the 24th, congressman nolan told the daily dispatch that even that he voted in favor of the safe act it does not change his original position of wanting to bring in 100,000 syrian refugees for desperate for the end of this year and there no way to vet them.

leah: let's talk about the issue of syrian refugees. you have said you want to bring in 100,000 refugees from syria. is that the right course of action to take in this situation? rep. nolan: that is a fair question, although the ads you produced, by the way, were found to be false and misleading by important fact checkers. mr. mills: but you want to bring in 100,000 syrian refugees? rep. nolan: carefully vetted. mr. mills: but there is no way to vet them. rep. nolan: really? years to go through that process which is why i voted for the safe act, requires the defense department, the cia, the fbi, immigration, and national -- mr. mill: in your letter you gave them 18 months, not 2.5 years. rep. nolan: mr. mills i do not , want to let anyone in this country unless they are carefully vetted. that is the key word, "carefully vetted." i believe under the vetting

process that we have in place now, we have let 24 syrians into minnesota, about 18 or 20 are women and children and a couple of them are men. it is important to know, mr. mills -- mr. mills: you are saying it is impossible to bring in 100,000 based on the vetting process. rep. nolan: i will not rely on any specific number quite frankly until they are properly and thoroughly vetted. mr. mills: but you demanded a specific number. rep. nolan: carefully vetted. carefully vetted. you are missing a key word. mr. mills: i read the letter. rep. nolan: you better go read it again. leah: my question to you then is on the topic of syrian refugees and there is a crisis in syria, what is the solution with a humanitarian crisis? a. mills: we need to get corridor out of aleppo. it we cannot control what russia and the assad regime is doing. we do not need open warfare in the middle east. we should be targeting isis but we have a humanitarian crisis

need to get that corridor there, we need to get them into safe areas and we need partners to help participate and staff those safe areas. helping them there is the right answer for them, it is the right answer for us. 65,000, in 10,000, 100,000 syrian refugees does not make any sense. we have to put america and americans first. rep. nolan: we are talking about women and children, some 10 million of them, that the country is a living hell. i know from my experience in the middle east, a good measure of them are good, strong supporters of the united states of america. they stood by us, they translated for us, they fought alongside of us, they supported us in every which way imaginable. and to say, you know we are , going to under any conditions or any circumstances let you into our country after they have been thoroughly and carefully vetted and send them home where they will lose their heads, it

--ms so on humanitarian and unhumanitarian. it is unappreciative of the men and women in syria who have stood by as an supported us. there has to be a way for us to take our fair share of these 10 million refugees, provided that they are carefully and thoroughly vetted. leah: let's move onto the topic of health care. we have a lot of opinions on this one. affordability has really become a big issue with health care. here in minnesota, rates are going up 67% for some people in the individual market. mr. mills i think this question , is for you. what is your opinion of how the aca is working, would you leave it or repeal it altogether, what is your plan? mr. mills: first of all, but i agree with bill clinton, it is the craziest thing in the world. i also agree with mark dayton, the affordable care act has become unaffordable. it is not a matter of repealing it. it is collapsing underneath its own weight. the crown jewel of the afford will care act was the co-ops.

starting with 23, we will have six or seven by the end of 2017. they will not be anything left. -- there will not be anything left. we know what has happened in the state exchanges and what has happened in the federal exchanges. representative nolan's idea is -- if we start putting people into medicare cost of putting everyone into medicare, we turn it into a high risk pool and we wind up collapsing that system the same way obamacare is collapsing. that system is set up for the benefit of our seniors. not only are we taking $716 billion out of medicare to pay for the boondoggle that is obamacare, congressman nolan's solution is to put everybody into medicare and collapse that system. leah: why don't you give us your opinion? mr. mills: -- rep. nolan: the current system that is run by the insurance companies is spending on average about 30% of all of our health care dollars on administrative costs and the insurance company profits and executive profits. that is why we converted for

seniors in this country into medicare, which is a single-payer system. it operates for 2% or 3% and covers anybody everyone pays , into it. it is a wonderfully good program to emulate. most of the countries in the world have single-payer universal health care plans were everybody pays, everybody has got the basic fundamental care and everybody has a good policy. guess what, they provide health care to their citizens for less money and they get better results, so we need to go to a single-payer system. regard to theith affordable care act, it does a lot of good things. it kept people with the existing conditions, to enable them to get insurance. if provided insurance for 18 million people so they did not have to experience bankruptcy as a result of a serious accident or illness in the family. it allowed parents to keep their children on a policy. those are all good things.

it required women to the same rate for policies as men, not a higher rate. i do not want to eliminate any of that, but we got to take it to the next step. governor dayton and president clinton are right. you got a problem, but the answer is not to turn it all over to this free market insurance company. it is so costly administrative leave and so many of our health care dollars get wasted by going into ridiculous administrative procedures and executive profits. mr. mills: a few different things on that. just because you have insurance that bombing have access to care. the cost of insurance have gone up. co-pays and and at the balls have gone up to the point where working families can no longer afford to bring her kids to the doctor when they get sick. -- becauses the it is a expensive, people cannot afford to use it. we have a system, obamacare,

that is inherently broken. we had system that works before. as far as pre-existing conditions are concerned, for the last 20 years, we had hipa.hing called you could go from one policy to the other. the democrats want to ignore that law even existed. thanks to obamacare, the state of minnesota had a high risk pool. it is out of business now due to obamacare, but if you hit a lifetime max were truly had a pre-existing condition that could not get covered, we had a social safety net to cover those people and that is what we should be working on as good solid, social safety nets, not government takeovers. rep. nolan: he is talking about people who already had insurance. there are millions of people with pre-existing conditions who could not get insurance. that is the fact. medicare negotiates for pharmaceutical prices.

the v.a. negotiates for pharmaceutical prices. i think the federal government should have the authority to negotiate most of the rest of the world does it. we do not get the $600 epipens, so we do not have 1000% increases. know, and every time the republicans have brought up the affordable care act, never once have they brought it up under an open rule where any of us could offer ideas and suggestions for improvements and have the argument and vote on them. leah: gentlemen, we are about to wrap up in one minute. i want each of you to give me a response on this. if elected, what will you do when you go to washington d c to work on bipartisanship? rep. nolan: the university of virginia and vanderbilt did a study. been introduced, they found my work was most effective in the minnesota congressional delegation,

second-most effective of all 188 democrats in congress and one of the 10 most respected in congress. i am a minority. i had to have republican partners. i did that was good, strong, common sense solutions with common problems we all face with good republican bipartisan support. i am a as good or better than just about anyone in the country at pulling together bipartisan support for good, common sense legislation. leah: mr. mills? mr. mills: i was just in grand rapids yesterday, at with union depend onhose jobs livelihoods that are on the iron range. they are upset with congressman nolan. they come in how ineffective he was where when he was first elected, he went in front of the tv cameras and called for bans on semi automatic rifles and having the government telecom us how may bullets we can have in our guns rather and fixing a broken trade system. it was only after these people had lost their livelihoods that

come with nolan stepped up in election-year stunt to bring in dennis mcdonough, a dog and tony show, which was too little too late. frustrated all over minnesota. we need to find people who are willing to participate in small groups, that are going to generate ideas and have those ideas form a larger group and get legislation done. nobody gets anything done in congress. we need have small groups come together to start having these ideas a snowball. rep. nolan: the ceo was a good sport of mine and said that the day that dennis mcdonough came to the range changed everything. you may call it a dog and pony show. to them, it was no dog and pony show. they have not been laid off since. before and we off

are making progress and we are going to have them all back to work before we get done. mr. mills: it was too little too late. as. nolan: you know, as soon the crises emerge, i went to work on it. i testified before the international trade commission. people came and testified before denis mcdonough and they were all business leaders, community leaders, and i did not see you hade at any of them, so i been there and got in the job done. i had gotten the tariffs, 1000 people back in. mr. mills: just meeting was the -- just meeting with them yesterday, they told me -- leah: we have given the voters a lot to think about. there is more to discuss. people can go to your websites and find more information. thank you both for joining us. tonight at 10:00, you will see some results from our surveymonkey poll. we'll see you at 10:00. on c-span2,

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