republican party. and later, a look at how the international community is reacting to donald trump becoming the next u.s. president. we are joined by the ceo and editor of foreign policy magazine. host: good morning as america continues to assess the results from last tuesday's election, congress returning to work for a lame-duck session that will continue into mid-december. a number of key agenda items first and foremost, agreeing on a spending plan. meanwhile, expect the first wave of announcements mike donald trump. -- by donald trump. he will likely announce a chief of staff as early as tomorrow. it is sunday morning, november 13. our question this morning, how can america unite under president-elect donald trump?

our phone lines are open. you can send us a tweet and join us on facebook. thank you very much for being with us. the front page today of the "washington post"," this is the headlie. nowhere did his candidacy inspire more trepidation or alarm than in the national security community inhabited by the republicans who denounce their party nominee as dangerously unfit to be commander-in-chief.

this is a quote from charles allen who served five decades in the cia. meanwhile, the hill newspapers are reporting this morning that that lauraraham -- ingraham is considered for press secretary. laura ingraham under serious consideration for the position in donald trump's white house. he appreciated her loyalty through the campaign. a former white-collar defense attorney at law clerk, she theed trump with th

interpretation and offered strategic advice with the possible exception of and coulter and sean hannity, nobody did more. the rnc chair under consideration to be the next white house chief of staff. the announcement could come as early as tomorrow. the trump team looking at a victory lap tour, traveling around the country. another night of protests, including in portland, oregon. inst, let us hear from bob pennsylvania, a state that flipped from democrat to republican. good morning. caller: hi. i flipped personally. i was a registered democrat. years earlier, i was a registered libertarian. i became a trump supporter. host: why?

caller: i believe the rule of law is important. i believe hillary clinton had broken the rule of law several times with the foundation and the e-mails and such. we cannot start a presidency with the candidate. should try to reconcile or join forces with the other side. this is a mandate from the people. i can see mr. trump trying to do that already and going soft on some of his promises he made to his core supporters. possibly letting hillary off scott free here. the investigation should go its course. if she deserves to be indicted, that should happen to her. host: thank you for the call. the president-elect also minutes" on cbs's "60

indicating he will use twitter, although not desperatel as freq. speaking of pennsylvania, this is a story inside the "new york times." basket undone by job loss. driverneighborhood, a swerved onto the front lawn of a home betty and jared huffman to mow down there clinton sign. tears in fear of potentially losing her coverage if obamacare was revealed. -- repealed.

the story how eerie, pennsylvania, withent red. ron insect collecting, california, republican line. good morning. san clemente, california, republican line. caller: it is the greatest thing. i have been watching c-span for how many years, and you were a small boy when i first got onto this thing. great honor to speak with you. how does this guy trump unite us? i don't think he does. it crosses all the party lines.

it is a revolution that was voted for. one of the things that is interesting to think about though is everybody is all on this other oral college issue, it was designed for a purpose. i just invite everybody out there to go online, look at wikipedia, look at all of those different things, and find out about the electoral college and why it was designed as is. ok, so he won. we have has a really bad presidents before, lots of them, it is we have one more, it does not matter a bit. we will live through it. we will go through it. eventually, things will sort out. it will be a terrible shock to this country in the world. the last thing i will say, steve, is simply this. we live in a global economy. until people grasp that, understand we are not america

anymore. they don't have traditional manufacturing jobs like we used to have. it just does not exist anymore. we are going to automation, solar powered, and we will not need fossil fuels. the whole thing has changed. we have to worry about gmo foods. we have to worry about a variety of things. there are so many things to talk about and so little time.i just wanted to know i really appreciate what c-span does. good to see susan still out there cranking, too. i love brian lamb. up early byre o the way. caller: yes. this election has gotten everybody charged up. everybody has crossed over lines. f democratsts, hal went republican. a lot of republicans with nt.ocrat -- we

democrat. we have to be ready for the big shocks. to give you a sense of where the map has been looking, thank you for the call, and we will send your best wishes to susan and brian. caller: absolutely. host: america, the divided. we cannot come together. we have never been united. the story points out the idea that this country was every united is a joke and a bad one at that. america's record is like this. owners against the slaves: north against the south, liberals against conservatives, the crips, andsus the a factory worker and on and on. from pittsburgh, good morning,

independent line. you are on the air. caller: yes sir. thank you for c-span. i just want to say i think donald trump can bring the country together. he had to defeat the republican administration, the democrats, stars.od, sports you name it, he had to be defeat everybody. he beat hillary with all of her money. if he could defeat all of those, i know you can bring the country together, and the country is divided because of president obama. it has never been so divided as it has been under president obama. hist of all, it is not

problem to deal with it. he will deal with it and be successful. he is a fighter. he came out on top. am so happyppy -- i and so are a lot of people. host: what happened in pennsylvania because the three states that flipped from obama it2012 to trump, what was about pennsylvania? was transformed in the keystone state? caller: i think lack of jobs is one thing. people were losing hope. ae other thing i would say is lot of people were voting against hillary with all of the baggage she brought into it and all the revelations of late, e-mails,, and the

benghazi, all of that. foundation, that is a foundation only giving 10% to charities. it is obvious there is paid to play there. 750,000 dollars for speeches. so muchthey benefit other than the fact that they know they will get some favors later on? i think a lot of it was a lot of people were voting against hillary. host: thanks. a sense of what is happening on the ground in one of the three states that were critical for donald trump's victory on election day. we will go to liz in hudson, new york. good morning. caller: good morning. iased.id not sound too unbvias d

i am bringing up taxes. this may unite us. our adjusted gross income was approximately $90,000. we had a child in college. thank you to turbotax, we pay a 10.92% federal income tax rate. retired.my husband he got a one-time payout, eaising our adjusted incom $142,500.-- to as our incomep our goes up. i understand president elect trump is adjusting a tax rate of 12%, which means anyone who is

getting paid $90,000 annually, and i would imagine that most married couples who make about $45,000 each, middle-class, very middle-class, their taxes are going up. perhaps we can all rally around that. host: thank you for the call. this is a tweet from richard rogers. "usa today" reporting trump wants to delay the trial faces in san diego until after his inauguration in january. that according to his attorney. the the judge asked why, --ew that this morning from "usa today." we will go to william in massachusetts.

that trial is on trump university, by the way. caller: good morning. thank you c-span. i enjoy your show. i would like to comment on this topic about bringing us together and what trump can do to do that. seatieve the supreme court should be felt by obama. if the republicans were to allow that nomination process to go forward, that would be the first step in showing we can maybe work together. if the republican congress refuses to do that, i believe mr. trump can also nominate the same person. i do not believe he will, but i think he should to try to bring us together. i also believe that if he does not, the democrats should stand strong and not allow any nomination of any supreme court

justice for the entire trump administration. we have gone by the last six months without a supreme court ninth supreme court justice. the republicans have to show some good faith. that is my comment. host: thank you very much for the call. who is joining us from pittsburgh, and we want to show you the demonstrations of day four from portland, los angeles, chicago, new york city, d.c. we ask you requested, how does america unite under president-elect donald trump? bob from pittsburgh, thank you for waiting. good morning. caller: good morning. the main thing i have noticed that a lot of people has the last 20 years is the media. me and my friends decided to watch msnbc the last four months. everybody is getting tired of

this racism. msnbc was great for that. i am watching cnn, and they had jones. he said this was the whitest election. this is one of the reasons people are getting fed up. i am in pittsburgh. everybody in my neighborhood has trump signs. these are democrats. i used to be a democrat. put the "new york times" something out like an apology. i think trump can heal the nation, but these people are not giving him a chance. 's last gentleman with the supreme court, that is one of the reasons trump won. people are getting fed up with the same nonsense. the democratic party talking about they need to do something. yes, let's do something. i was a longtime democrat with unity, and i always wanted for democrats. back that the there was very little separation between the parties.

they may have had a little different way of doing something, but it worked out in the end. with obama, the health care, my wife was on that. i paid an extra $4000 in two years. her visits were up to $160. she was covered for being pregnant, birth control, abortion, and pediatric care. that is the other reason. people are getting fed up. 1965, i have been paying for this great society. i see the great society in the streets of oregon right now damaging buildings, setting fires, setting flags on fire, damaging cars. nothing is being done. it has to stop. these are the people who accused trump's backers of doing this and they are on the street doing it. host: thank you for the call. this is from michael, who sent us a tweet. another tweet from gwb.

writing is is five reasons why america will be ok despite your candidate not winning. barbara from roanoke, virginia, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. a previous caller stole my thunder about the supreme court. wants to unite the country, he should stand up and say it is unconstitutional not to go ahead and vote on a nominee and urge his republican senate to vote. the other thing is you can appoint a couple democrats to his cabinet the way democratic presidents had done. i would liketests, for people to ask themselves,

why did people get out in protest as hiller was taking power? that would have been a good thing. you. thank the cover of cq weekly, the able guide to congress -- the annual guide to congress. a picture of donald trump riding an elephant. donald trump as our 45th president. from conway, new hampshire, good sunday morning. what a race you had in new hampshire. caller: we did. good morning. host:. good morning. caller: i have a suggestion. president obama and president-elect trump to get it could expand the affordable care ogether could expand the

affordable care act paid totally tax on national sales all services and goods except food. according to the declaration of independence, we have people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. health care is a light issue. -- life issue. them coming together to bring the country together. host: marcus, certainly no fan of donald trump. a piece this morning, one of a number in the "new york times," "washington post." it is a reprint of a 1968 cartoon as richard nixon was becoming the next president of the united states.

you later explained his decision --deploy a healing as wa and then there is this

quote from rush limbaugh. that this morning from ruth marcus in the "washington post." joseph from charlotte, tennessee, democrats line. good morning. caller: independents line i believe. host: you are on the air.

caller: good morning. i wanted to say that i think you may have a big surprise on december 7. collegethe electoral will finally do the right thing. donald trump will not be president. even if he is, when he gets convicted of the trump university fraud, he will be impeached. mike pence will be president. then we will really see some trouble. all you have to do is look at all of the republican states in the u.s. except for the few that have legalized marijuana. the rest of them are in shambles. i really think you will have a surprise on december 7. thanks. host: obama fights obliteration

by trump in the historic oval office meeting. it was scheduled to only take about half an hour but the session ran 90 minutes. the two then meeting with reporters very briefly. doug is joining us from washington state on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i very happy that donald trump won. is what thing i can say he lowers the tax rate, if they can concentrate on some jobs in where the young black men, let's get them to work. that is one thing. the second thing i want to say about it is, i don't believe in citizenship. i don't think he will be poor anybody -- deport anybody.

i would like to see him give some kind of a temporary status and let everybody that has jobs stay. he will not get rid of anybody. reforman do some kind of to keep the people that are here from mexico. that is great. let bygones be -- let's work across the aisle and be better people with america first. you know what i mean. let's all get along for one. this is a perfect time for america to go ahead. host: thank you. this is from george munro. -- send us aet tweet, by the way. the "washington post" and the

"new york times" reporting on a conference call with hillary clinton and her top supporters. she points the finger at fbi director comey for losing the election and then has this quote. "i him heartbroken. i will not pretend to sugarcoat this. this is a tough loss because everybody worked so hard." blaming the fbi director for announcing in reopening the investigation into the clinton fromls based on e-mails whomevehuma abedin. there isirector saying nothing to it, but it proved to be too little too late to clinton insiders. mark from ohio on the independent line. how does america unite? please. that is not going to happen.

look, now that the republicans have won, everything is supposed to be all right. are we supposed to forget that on the night obama was elected, they all gathered together to block this man? even before this election, they told hillary the same thing. please. racism has existed in this country since its beginning. it will always be here. you have military installations named after people you would consider terrorists today. it will always be there. people have to wake up every morning and the military and see that their place is named after a person who wanted to oppress them. please. get over it, america. you need to realize america does not belong to white people. this is an immigrated country. stop calling yourselves americans.

you call everybody else why a hyphenated nationality. do the same for yourself. get over it because you are not americans either. host: thank you for the call. from the "new york times" sunday does this section, donald trump predicting he would stop a rectory from moving to mexico -- a carrier factory from moving to mexico. tommy from oklahoma, next. caller: hello. i am a democrat. i would like to know for all the camaraderie and getting along with the fellow party when obama came into office and the republicans have blocked everything as it has done with the republicans have done everything they could for eight years to block. he tried to get along with people, and i am disgusted with

people saying this will be any different. we are mad. people that have voted and tried really hard, i had a mentally this election that he was born out of the country. these are local people. they are very hard to get along with. they do not see anything passed the end of the nose. there are many things. they fight every battle that is. they come at him with their claws out. i am really sorry that the republicans have set the treatment of the democrats and other people trying to cooperate in office, it is really bad, and i wish somebody could do something about it. host: can you stay on the line for a minute? how do we get beyond the payback with look at what they did to obama and now democrats think it is fair game?

do we get beyond that and get some things done? caller: i believe the people, we want to. i want to march. i am over 60 years old. i was the first without which work for oil company in the oil feeds. -- fields. i looked at hillary as the time had come for her to be in office , and she was the most qualified. i cannot get past it. everybody in oklahoma terms the other cheek anyway. the democrats are more republicans than democrats. we always turn the cheek. i wish the republicans would have thought about that when they were trying to ship our laborers back to mexico. these families right now in this area, there is a mother leaving her kid in foster care and don't to mexico. that is someone i know personally. care and going to

mexico. that is someone i know personally. these things are going on, and when you see them, they are a lot harder to take t. host: tommy is joining us from oklahoma. thank you very much for being with us. this is from robert, who has this tweet. nathan gonzales has a piece available online at rollcall.com . is the country want to come together? -- does the country want to come together? 89% of democrats voted against trump an anti-trump are taking to the streets. it is a bit easier for the republicans and trump supporters to sound a conciliatory tone considering they want but they

are any interest in compromise when they have the power. paul ryan claimed his party had a mandate. people are not interested in the country coming together. they are interested in the country coming to them. that this morning from nathan gonzales. sam from florida, republican line. good morning. caller: hi. good morning. first of all, thank you. second of all, this is a democracy country.i used to be a democrat . after seeing what is happening in the government with all corruption that is happening over the years, mr. trump has come. i believe this is a godsend. i am a muslim. i believe in christianity, judaism. people comefair to out. demonstrating is ok, but vandalizing.

going in and damaging people's business. this is not a demonstration. mr. trump has come to this country. we should respect him and give him a chance. we have all seen it. we all see something that, but overall, we have to forgive. give him a chance. let him run this country, and i'm sure he will do good. he is a businessman. the beauty of this is he is not a politician. the politician has ruined this country. they are sending people now to underdeveloped countries, it is that. this is the united states of america. outside, it looks horrible. they should stop the demonstrations. they should come together. give him a chance. that is all. host: thank you for the call. sunday opinion edition of the "new york post."

having a come be back. he is looking at cbs and abc. he was let go from nbc and "the today show" after the famous " access hollywood" video came out. good morning, larry from georgia. caller: good morning. i can remember when the affordable care act was pushed through by the democrats using parliamentary rules to get that through. i did not see them reaching across the aisle. i hear all of these democrats americann telling the people he republicans need to reach across the aisle. why should they reach across the aisle when the democrats absolutely were smug about their

position, including mr. obama. he sat there and said we won. he said the republicans will have to take a backseat, to paraphrase what he said. i see no reason for the republicans to reach a hostile because every time they do and they compromise, they lose. it is time for the republicans to go ahead and push through their agenda until the democrats -- and tell the democrats to take a backseat. host: mitch mcconnell said he wanted to make barack obama a one term president, and barack obama has said elections have consequences. toa way to get beyond that reach compromise on infrastructure in the debt and deficit and other major national issues? caller: the only response i can add to that is, why is it every time republicans win they talk about compromise? host: i totally agree with you.

that is my question. can both parties get beyond that. obama said that the republicans committee republicans with after the democrats. you're absolutely right that they have both been accusatory of each other. caller: i think because if you if you the democrat -- look at the electoral map and you see the widespread results of the republicans winning the down balalots in the absolute scattering of small but heavily populated areas that voted for hillary clinton, i think that really speaks for itself. i don't think the republicans have to turn around and reach across the aisle and do anything. we are a divided country. we are only divided based on demographics. the united states has a wide

spanse of the republican support. republicans need to go ahead and push their agenda through and try to get some of this absolute mess that the democrats have caused. don't get me wrong, there is some establishment republicans that sat back and allowed some of the legislation to go to without a whimper. it is time to straighten it out and drain the swamp. host: this is a tweet. does trump have a mandate? isething rush limbaugh trumpeting. the new york daily news reporting that michael moore yesterday heading to trump tower demanding a meeting with the donald. he went to the fourth floor and the secret service agents said you need to have a staff member contact to meet with him.

michael moore tried to set up a meeting. from oxford,ndy connecticut. caller: as far as mitch mcconnell, he is the loyal opposition. -- it duty this will be a is his duty to think this will be a one term president. the democrats screamed about the tea party. burn flax, break windows on police cars democrat allies? -- iember doing that -- don't remember them doing that. it is time for them to say stop. host: from florida, democrats line, good morning. maxine, you are next. caller: yes, i think what the republicans are forgetting is the mere fact that donald trump

does not have a true mandate because the majority of americans do not vote for him. the electoral college is the only reason he is president. i think to have a first lady like the one that he is married to is a disgrace to our other first ladies that have gone before him. that is my comment. thank you for listening. host: some of the demonstrations taking place over the last four or five days. early wednesday morning, donald trump declares victory from the new york hilton hotel. back in washington on thursday. we are told he may have a victory lap tour as they are calling it this week. he may be announcing his chief of staff. stephen bannon has been mentioned as a possibility. laura ingraham has been mentioned as possible white house press secretary.

how isdependent line, america unite under president-elect trump? caller: good morning, steve. host: good morning. you are on the air. go ahead. caller: i think we are looking at this very narrowly? if yo-- narrowly. approximately 57% of the people voted in this country. that means 28% elected donald trump. 28%. approximately 40% of people do not even vote. my question goes beyond democrat and republicans. the question i have is, are we watching the rise of fascism in this country? we have seen people being scapegoated. women who wear the hijab, the h ijab being pulled down. at a lot in common man wearing a mask of obama with a noose

around his neck. we have seen people scapegoating the children of color. we have seen the rod of an authoritarian. my family left germany at the end of world war i. the progressive movement occurred there was the harbinger of what was to come in fascism. i think we should look at what is going on. as for the free press, the free press of which you are a part, let's look at say that trump, the first thing he said as he will illuminate libel laws. hether thing he said is scapegoats people in the press who were at his assemblies. now, one of the first things that happened is he did not think the press along with him in the press for he was traveling. , the firstthing

thing that he tweeted was he blamed the press for what was happening. are we watching the rise of fascism in this country? host: don from new mexico, thanks. times," this morning. rnie joiningbe us from new york on the republican line. caller: good morning. to your point, that people couldn't stop -- if people could stop raising the rhetoric, if they can just calm down entry the other side with a little respect. : someone a nazi -- calling someone a nazi or fascist is not conducive to corporation. no one wants to sit down with someone who took over an issue after someone a couple of

callers ago said the president's qualified to be first lady. these are things who do not put the president or the other side in a good mood to get along or even just to listen. i am a republican. i did not vote for him. i think a good part of the problem here is that the culture has turned terribly bad because of the media. words at one point that were highly explosive in the good old days were not allowed to be used. look at the program's going down . the things that trump set are areptable -- said acceptable because you have seen it on tv or her i newspapers.

i am not for censorship or the reality programs. it corrupts the culture, and everybody would just treat everybody with a little sensitivity, i am not saying that is the only cure, but nobody will be listening to the other side when they are yelling and screaming and blaspheming them. host: you get the last word on the question, and an appropriate way to end the section. the new york times, the democrats screwed up. the party blamed for the loss. basically writing it is a change election. we will take a break in just a moment, but first, this from last night's's "saturday night live." the skit begins with the announcement that donald trump is our next president. [video clip] >> donald trump has been elected

president of the united states. >> you guys are right. historic night. don't worry about it. 8 years will fly by. >> no worries. it will be all white. >> what about undocumented immigrants? >> they are not going nowhere. you i but he time to pick their own strawberries. [laughter] >> this is crazy. do even know what it is like to be a woman in this country where you cannot get ahead no matter what you do? >> i don't know. let it put my thinking caps on.org. i-- capp o on that one. >> get some rest. you have a big day of moping around and writing on facebook tomorrow. >> this is the most shameful thing america has ever done. [laughter] host: from last night's snl.

a little bit of postelection humor. we will talk about the election about thed how democrats and progressives? david corn will be here to talk about what is next. later, scott mcconnell is the founding editor of the american conservative magazine. he will analyze donald trump's white house win, the impact on the republican party and the conservative movement. newsmakers heirs after the "washington journal." our guest is congressman luke messer. one of the issues, haldol and from a speaker paul ryan will work together on some of the issues the gop will put forth in the next congress. here is a review. [video clip] quite a bit and it was a lot religion among members that trump would try to unseat ryan or pressure members to vote against him. theirou seen them mend

relationship at all? encouraged by the meeting that speaker ryan and president-elect trump had this week. willly, president trump have a voice in what our team looks like moving forward. initial indications seem to be he is very comfortable with the our existing leadership team. given all of the other moving parts we have to deal with the challenges we have front of us, was them inears taking the team we happily uniting that team, and moving forward. host: we hope you tune in for "newsmakers" at 10:00 eastern, 7:00 for those of you on the west coast. our guest this week is republican coachman luke messer on the gop and how the majority will govern in 2017.

is available on our c-span radio .t and streamed on our website , his work available online at mother jones.com. how are you doing? a lot of people, readjusting. a lot of people did not see it coming. it has tremendous consequences for the nation on many different levels. host: did you see it coming? guest: i do not see it coming, but i also was not predicting a hillary clinton victory. telling people who would ask me, i do not eat rations. this is a crazy year, crazy campaign. i did say from the very beginning when donald trump first got in that he was a serious candidate. not a serious person perhaps, but a serious candidate and he could win the nomination. anybody who got the nomination

of a major party is in a position to win, but i never saw him as a joke candidate to be scoffed at. i saw him as a serious threat. i was not surprised when he got the nomination. i saw his campaign like many other people covering campaigns for decades as one that seemed to be highly disorganized, highly dysfunctional, highly undisciplined. he did not know the issues. he bragged about committing a crime. sexual assault is a crime. it seemed as if he was not running the type of campaign that would bring victory. from the convention on work, he had a real shot at winning if he did certain things. in concluding that by not doing a certain things that her chances were lowered -- his chances were lowered. i was surprised in that way, but

not only days before the election saying it is over, it is the. host: i want to talk about some of the senate races as well. this is what you wrote one day after the election. "america is broken. in a historic and baffling election, donald trump, an eradicated and campaigned as a bully and a big it, demonstrated a weak understanding -- guest: i think that is all true. trump supporters will jump on a statement like that, but everything in that statement is factual. he was a bigot. by saying you want to ban a whole religion from your

country, that is a bigoted act because it is impractical and playing on people's fears. he bragged about committing sexual assault. it was not locker room talk about what he would like to do about bragging how it goes out with a lot of women even though he is married. it was bragging about committing a crime. marco rubio and others call him man.on rick perry called him a cancer. he did not know what the nuclear triad was. he often contradicted himself. he was accused by hillary clinton of denying climate change and saying it was a chinese folks. h-- hoax. he said "i never said that." in fact, he tweeted that. people cannot deny that they voted for a guy who fact for fivesay lied

times more than the average politician, including illegal to, and who made statements that speak orion called racist. host: if senator bernie sanders has been the nominee, with the ould he happy- w donald trump? guest: i don't know. the issue was come and i wrote about this during the campaign, that he was never subjected to negative ads, let alone half $1 billion of negative ads. the clinton campaign was easy on him during the primaries, and the republicans that are out for him because i think they wanted him as a nominee because they believed he was weaker than hillary clinton. a list and independent socialist. we never had a socialist run for office. chargedit is a highly buzz word. if you accept or believe social security or medicare, you

are a socialist to some degree. that does set off fireworks for some people. it is counterfactual that we will never be able to test. bernie people say "i told you so." know. know. -- we can't host: what about vice president biden? guest: he is easier in this mix because he has in the public like an easier to attack. any conventional democrat would have won this race. the popularton won vote, not on a little, by a couple of percentage points it was like it will be when they finished counting. the only reason she did not win the presidency is because any couple states by 56,000 votes, she did not win the electoral college votes. vice president biden is well

known in this country. i think he would have improved pped up.iped sexism was a big factor. there was a double standard in the way the media covered her and the way people thought about her. also, there was a lot clinton baggage, dynastic baggage, whatever. she is not a great campaigner. all of those things disappear if biden, who may have more appeal in some of the midwestern industrialized or post-industrialized counties, where counties had previously flipped anobama would hav voted for trump. counterfactual's are hard to play out.

by the numbers, and looks like biden would have had a good chance. i get home you have to run the primary. he has a tendency to gaffe his way through life. host: these are just what ifs. thate nearly 700 counties twice sent barack obama with the white house, a stunning one lipped to support donald trump. a lot of those counties, if you saw the map, there was a great map and they were through the midwest and the western side of pennsylvania, and these are obviously places where there is a lot of wwc, white working class. were are people who

inspired by obama's message of hope and change and saw him working hard against republican obstructionism and reelected him over mitt romney, who they felt was not in touch with their concerns. this time around, while the , theyy has improved enoug heard donald trump mirroring their anger and frustration, they saw hillary clinton giving more vague messages, working together and not making promises. she did not say i will bring back industrial job without having anything to do it so they went with a guy making big, old promises. -- bold promises. host: stephen bannon and ryan primus. guest: it is a big decision for

donald trump. stephen bannon comes out of the off-right, the white nationalist community. he is an ideological bulldog. he ran anew service -- news service who put up anti-semitic headlines. he wants to drain the swap, which i am in favor of, but we see here in transition teams and the policies that they are not draining the swamp. they are giving lobbyists and business interests greater power. the other question is whether any of these guys are up for the job. to me, one of the saddest moments of this past week from a washington insider baseball is when jim kushner, the son-in-law

, as the person how many of these staffers do we carry over to the next administration? the answer is zero. up guys have to staff this totally. are they able to do this? won,though trump reince priebus seemed to be a weak leader of the rnc, and he 012 behind the autopsy in 2 saying the party needed to reach out to african-americans, women, latino voters, and he completely that with the trump campaign. so i don't know where he is in

terms of his own internal fortitude. but in any event, running the white house, being president -- you know this, steve -- is really, really difficult. i've had people who worked for several administration republican and democratic, and if you have any interactions with the presidents themselves you see how difficult the job is. so it's an incredible organizational and managemental task. and without some degree of expertise or experience, -- people have done this before -- it's not going to work out well. host: wull other point, laura ingram being mentioned as potentially the next white house press secretary. guest: good luck. that's a tough job, too. again, what message do they want to send? she is incredibly combative, wonderful at name-calling and good radio talk show host. and is that the person you want? donald trump has declared war. the media wants more laws.

and he has, as i said earlier you can go to plitfakt.com and you can go look at gwen kessler the "washington post" fact-checker and you will see that donald trump sets all records for making false statements. you can call it lies or not. and bringing on somebody who is a talk show host and who is not -- who hasn't worked with the , esident in sort of a neutral fair-balanced way is going to send a message that is not about trying to heal or reach out to anyone on the other side including the media. he banned the media, he egged on -- there were people at his rally threatening violence against the media. ople shouting jew sa anti-smement semeticism at people in the rallies.

i don't think we can underestimate the level of hate and division that donald trump either encouraged or accepted. and he still hasn't owned up to that nor the people around him. and all these decisions he's going to make is going to determine and send a signal whether he wants to behave in danchte manner or is going to continue to explote these divisions for political gain. host: our conversation with david corn. his work available on line at mother jones.com. he tweets at david corn.com. he is the author of a number of books. there's this one from one of he viewers saying, did hillary lose because of tpp,? >> i think she lost the electoral college vote for a lot of reasons. she convinced more americans hat her vision of america, her

inclusive vision and her competence and sort of quiet prag hatism was a better fit for the presidency than donald trump's arrogant blullying ways. so she didn't win because she didn't get her votes in the right places and she didn't have her team campaign team did not identify where some of the voters were heading. and there's a lot of reasons. i think she naturally not a comfortable great campaigner and so she has a hard time making connections. even though she won a majority of the vote she always could have won more. i think in a lot of ways you look at the vote and donald trump got a little bit less number of votes than mitt romney did and she got four, five, 6 million less than barack obama. and you look at african american turnout, which is a natural base for the democrats

in places like detroit, michigan, and she underperformed there. she didn't do well. now, you can ask why people were not keen on her. why millenials didn't turn out more. why some of these working class white voters went for donald trump over her. for each group there's going to be a different explanation. might be trade policy. i think that's probably overstated. might be to some millenials that she didn't have the excitement and revolutionary fervor that bernie sanders showed. for a lot of people i think it might have some elements of sexism that some people just held her to a different standard. some people might be the emails. the fact that she was considered untrust worthy as much as more than donald trump even though the numbers tell you that her statements were far more accurate than his

raises a question of why could he get away with lying and telling false stamentse so easily and she couldn't. when she did less. so i think all those things that the caller mentioned obviously turned off some degree of different types of voters. so it's all. it's not one thing. it's really everything. host: this program carried live on c-span radio and sirius ex-im. so we welcome our listeners and look ahead. i know we just got through one election but let's talk briefly about 2018. look at some of the states where democrats are going to be on the ballot including pennsylvania, ohio, yip, michigan, and wisconsin, as well as missouri. these are all states that went republican this year. also, out west in california and washington which stayed democratic. but it's basically the complete opposite of where republicans were in 2016. as democrats try to recapture at least the u.s. senate in two

years. guest: voters -- i'll make this prediction. voters in the next two years are going to be very focused on what happens in washington. they'll be very focused on what donald trump says. he's going to make america great again. he's going to rip up trade deals and build a wall. he's going to repeal obamacare. and now paul ryan is talking about privatizing medicare, which wasn't on trump's agenda. no one on this election voted for that. and they're going to be very focused i think on these things. a lot of big promises. i think the senate races of 2018 will be somewhat of a referendum on what trump and the republicans are able to do or what they haven't done. so places like you mentioned, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania, that went for trump even though they tended to be democratic strongholds -- if trump doesn't deliver, if he continues to behave in the

manner he behaved as a candidate -- and that doesn't transfer into solid gains for the american public, i would think that democratic senators in those states -- the candidates -- will still have a pretty good argument why they should be reelected or why they should be elected for the first time in some other states. so no one predicted 2016 would play out the way it did. 2018 is going to, i think, be up for grabs. the key thing really is -- and we may want to talk about this, too, is how the democratic party responds and how it's able to develop and build and continue both the infrastructure and the grassroots base it needs to keep voters engaged so people who are mad about this election -- and again, a majority of americans are disappointed by this election. the majority of americans did not see their candidate win. so we've got to keep those people engaged and make sure

they know these fights are the surgt battles to have as democrats if the you're upset on what happened. host: but on january 20 the republicans will control both ends of pennsylvania avenue. his is a tweet from jan. let's go to pat. caller: that's exactly what i wanted to talk about. the number one thing that democrats did wrong is they didn't run a man. there were dog whistles galore about this deal. guest: i agree. i think hillary clinton was treated -- and i haven't always been a solid fan of her.

i'm a journalist and have written negative things about her as well and investigated some of her business and other folks. but i do think that the obsession with the email scandal -- which i think was a mistake. it was a problem. on a scale of one to ten probably was a four or five, not a nine or ten. and yet media coverage of that was tremendous as opposed to media coverage of donald trump's financial conflict of interest. the fact that he owes over $300 million to a german bank and owes probe hundreds of millions of dollars to partnerships that we don't know hundreds of details to the bank of china. and now we see people talking about his conflicts of interest. but there's very little coverage of that. there was very little coverage of his connections over the years to organized crime in which there were several. and so a friend of mine put it this way.

if hillary clinton had had five kids through three marriages and had been caught grabbing -- bragging about grabbing the sexual parts of men, what do you think would have happened to her then? i mean, so i do -- and i don't know how to tease it out. i was talking to a democratic female senator just yesterday. i said to what degree do you think sexism was a factor? she said big. i can't put a number on it. i think it's really hard. a lot of people -- women and men -- may have had questions about having a woman as president. and they know, though, that's wrong so they find other reasons to latch on to things in order to express their opposition or even their hatred of her. the fact that you had republicans -- the republican convention were shouting lock her up, lock her up. i've never seen such visceral hatred in an official body about an opposing candidate. it's like being in a banana

republic. after the last debate in las vegas, i went up to rudy guiliani, who was a surrogate for donald trump, and asked him about this aspect of the tone of the campaign. i've known him and covered him for years and i've never seen him like this. his face turned into this ball of anger and hatred. and he got really close to me and he said, she should be in jail already. now, this is a former federal prosecuter who did work in the justice department in the reagan years. host: and potentially the next attorney general. guest: and here's a guy saying, she hasn't been indicted, there's no trial, that she should be in jail already. i mentioned this to somebody who worked for him last night who i saw at an event, and she says, you know, i think something's gone wrong with him. i think there's a switch that was flipped. and this sort of hatred and anger and total lack of graciousness.

you still see stories coming out in the last couple days that trump is not backing off on his vow, his promise to put her in jail. i mean, this is kind of madness. host: let me share a couple of weets. guest: it's not most african american voters voted for hillary clinton. most voters voted for hillary clinton. so anyone who says that this

message is supported by a majority of americans is just wrong. i mean, the way our system works is the popular vote doesn't carry the day in terms of getting into the white house. but people may not want to deal with the math but there is math involved here. so i don't understand why trump people want to feel triumphant but he did not convince a majority of americans that his way was the the way to go. as far as voting for jill stein, anything that jill stein says she cared about, the environment, about reproductive rights for women, preserving the social welfare net, social safety net, is all going to be threatened now. so we have -- climate change denire in charge of the e.p.a. transition team. we have paul ryan saying he

wants to privatize medicare. who knows how many supreme court picks donald trump may get. so anybody who is progressive minded who voted for jill stein helped enable a party and a president who is going to go after the things that person cares about. florida voted for donald trump. florida is threatened by climate change. and donald trump says it's a chinese hoax. he denied he said that but he still believes climate change is a hoax. so the next hurricane season, when the jfer glades are threatens what are those voters going to say? sorry we did this? host: let's go to jim, illinois. independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. have to remind mr. corn that mr. trump's daughter and son

in-law and grandchildren are jewish. number two, the inner city, i doubted if he'sr gone there and take a look at what's going on, but he seems to know a lot about the inner city. kind of doubt it. the industrial parks are completely vacant of manufacturing. just about anywhere. but 30 years ago, let me tell you a little story. i was in corporate and we had a discussion about moving everything overseas. i was against it. but the board said, no, this is what we're going to do. we're going to move everything overseas and we're just going to keep the r and p here. i said that's a crazy thing. if you have a good corporation, the first three weeks of production pays off the entire

payroll. i don't know if you're aware of that, but that's the way it is. of course, you've never been in a corporation so you wouldn't know. host: we'll give him a chance to respond. guest: well, there's a lot mixed up there. yes, he mentioned the fact that his son in-law, donald trump's son in-law is jewish. maybe that was in reference to my talking about that there was an anti-semeticism in the campaign. donald trump at one point devise crying an international conspiracy of international bankers, which of course is language that is very close to what people used to say who were talking about a jew wish conspiracy. it's not just me. the anti-defamation league and others said you've got to watch out. these are dog whistles to white nationals and supremacists. there is a reason why david duke and the kkk celebrated the selection. i mean, i'm just kind of

astonished that any -- how any person who claims to be decent can receive the support of white nationalists, supremists, racists and kkk and not do everything you can to denounce that. and he hasn't. he didn't. the first asked about it initially he said he didn't even know who david duke was. so that's -- so there's no doubt that there were elements of anti-semeticism. and i can tell you as someone who this happened to, a lot of jewish reporters who wrote critically of donald trump received a barrage of nti-semetic tweets and other missives from people supporting donald trump. that's something that cannot be denied. as far as overseas, taking jobs overseas, you know, donald trump claims that he is going to bring industry back. he's never said how. of course, when he's had decisions to make about his own business -- as you did

yourself, jim -- he had his goods made overseas. you can make tieth and clothing in america. plenty of companies do this. he did not make the effort to do that. he went the easy, cheap way and stuff is made in china and elsewhere. so without a solid plan, with his own past record as evidence, you know, i find it very hard to take him seriously when he said that somehow magically he would bring industrial jobs back to america. host: from the "washington post," the darker gold. the president winning twice. the lighter gold he won these counties once. you can see from the "washington post." from maine through upstate new york and northwest pennsylvania through the midwest including ohio, wisconsin, michigan, the states that flipped that helped elect donald trump to the presidency. also out west just outside of seattle and including some areas south of san francisco that went for donald trump. a couple of tweets from one of our viewers.

good morning. caller: good morning. it's a pleasure, to have you on this morning. i love your work that you do. guest: thank you. caller: this is my comments. when it comes down to with the election, we have to -- well, we've got to stay in our own bubble, so to speak, until the lection drk next election. as far as the black vote, i'm a true believer with greg pollic and david bailey. i watch those two very -- on the internet. there are a lot of other folks,

whose names are taken off the list. a lot of these counties that went for mr. trump i'm sure they were going to vote for democrats. one more thing. i'm glad the election is over. i'm tired, i was tired of seeing donald trump using that 666 sign and the christian rights do not understand what it means. you guys, it was a pleasure talking to you. host: thank you very much for the call from north carolina a state that stayed republican. guest: i think he raised an issue that there was a lot of efforts that have been made over the past few years on the republican side to make it harder for people to vote. have purges that go too far that close down polling place in north carolina and other spots that tend to have a greater impact on african

american voters. again, this is not denyable. the republicans did it in some places. their plans were thrown out with judges saying this is a purely racially motivated effort. so we're getting to a stage i think demographically this this country where republicans to win elections have to do what donald trump would call rigging. the districts in congress are jerry manneded to such a degree that for democrats to control the house they would have to win across the country 54% of the national vote. that just seems patently unfair. we saw what happened with the electoral college this time around and we see, we go out in the voting rights act, states are free to try to suppress voting and make it more difficult in areas where republicans control the state legislatures want to do so. so at some point voting -- voters who are impacted are going to have to do something because we're running into a

system where across the board there are disadvantages now being built in. i just have to say about the tweet you read. most people do not think climate change is a hoax. that is a lie. no poll shows that. d 98% of all climate scientists believe it's real. so any time someone says that in the public square it makes it harder to deal with an issue that does exist. and that person is not even reading the polls let alone the science. and so i think that again and again people like that have to be called out and have to be fact checked. host: our topic, what's next for the progressives. another ten minutes with our guest david corn the washington bureau chief for mother jones. caller: good morning. i'm actually a reformed democrat. host: what does that mean? caller: i'm 51. i guess -- i drank the cool

aid. i got off the democrat plantation. i grew up in baltimore. was a product of i guess people getting shipped to different schools and i'm half white and half puerto rican so i got it from both sides. so when you keep saying white people are racist, so are blacks. and they need to own up to that. because if you're light skinned you're a house nigga. if you're darker you're a sellout. you're an uncle tom. and i'm really tired of hearing that donald trump is a racist, a fascist, a this or that. because the man that i saw at his rallies, he loves our country. he is a human being who is a sinner. host: we'll get a response. thank you for the call. guest: well, everybody's a sinner in krisianty and others are more of a biggist than others.

it was paul ryan who said that a federal judge who was born in america could not be fair because he had mexican heritage was a racist comment. in new york city he had a long city of making racially charged statements. but i go back to this. he was the number one champion of the birther conspiracy theory which said that the president of the united states was not born here. why did this come up? why was this never an issue really with any of the white presidents we had? this was certainly playing in to some americans' fear of a black president. that he couldn't really be truly an american. i found that and others did too as being a racist attack on the first american african american president. he made bigotted statements again and again. he wanted to keep out a whole religion out of the united states. almost muslims. and it was a stupid plan because you can't do that.

if a terrorist is coming to america and he's a muslim and jfk, excuse me sir we don't let muslims into this country. are you a muslim? what do you think he or she was going to say? it was only about playing to the fears of -- that some americans have about muslim americans. so you may say that he loves america. he doesn't love women in the way that we want people to love women. he bragged about grabbing them. he made -- he had a long history that megan kelly called him on of talking about women in the most drissive member. you can't be a ten if you're flat-chested. you have blood coming out of your whatever. he is a bully. he encouraged violence when there was violence at his rallies, no matter who started it, he would say go get them. i'll pay your legal bills. so time and time again he was a

bully, he was a thug, he engaged in the most debased political debate calling all his republican allies -- rivals and hillary clinton by name. it was name calling, juvenile, so i think there is a lot there that does not make him a role model and that justifies all the criticism and all the concern that probably half the public has now and more than half the public. but what sort of president he will be. not an ounce of graciousness or even sort of respect for his opponents. host: some of you have been tweeting. this is from cnn. the popular vote results where hillary clinton is holding on to a lead right now of about a half million. . million that translates into 290 electoral votes for the

president elect, 232 for the secretary of state. good morning. caller: hi, gentlemen. thank you so much for having us and thank you for taking my call. it's time for this country to heal. i'm a 52-year-old male. i live in new york city. i really think this election was really about people putting food on their table and paying their electric bill. and that's really what this is about. those angry white men voted for barack obama in 2008 and i don't remember anyone taking to the streets after he won. and after 2012, after he won again, i don't remember people taking to the streets. i am a classic registered independent but to make the argument that there now, there's angry people against black versus white, the democratic party has made that part of their platform. it's rich versus poor, it's black versus white, it's woman

against men, it's hillary -- if hillary would have gotten in. come on. let's all heal. that's all i have to say. host: thank you. this is the scene outside the white house and other scenes around the country as the demonstrations continue. day four. to the caller's point. guest: i think that donald trump ran the most divisive campaign we have ever seen in modern times from a major presidential candidate. he got a lot of people scared. with racist bigotted talk and mizz only nistic talk. he mocks the reporter who was with disabled. a lot of people are scared we do see a rise in hate crimes. in the couple months, even the past few days. a church was vandalized near my home with a trump -- sign put on something that was torn

down. so i think people are right to be scared and i think a guy who claimed that he would lock up the leader of the other side as if we're a banana republic and still has not said anything about that is someone to be worried about. so if you feel threatened by your own president who could not embrace those that he disagreed with, i feel you have a perfect right to say we're going to protest peacefully as we did. in 2012 when donald trump -- there was a brief moment on ection day in 2012 when it looked like mitt romney might win the popular vote but did not win the electoral college vote. it didn't turn out that way. donald trump started tweeting, unfair, rigged, we need a march on the white house now. before even the votes were in.

he was calling on people not to accept that election. so he has -- between that and the way he ran this campaign, he and his supporters have absolutely no standing. they brought in steve banen who was involved with white nationalists. so people of color, people who care about people of color are right i think to say we're worried. we're going to put down markers. we're going to have peaceful protests and say you don't represent us. and if he wants to reach out to folks and say it went too far. i'm not going to lock her up. i apologize for that talk, that's a way to heal. the healing comes from the person at the top who has the mega fone, who has the bully pulpit and we haven't seen that because i don't think he has any regrets. host: if you can be brief. from florida. kiverageds i'll try to make it brief. i have a lot of respect.

i have all the utmost respect for every human being on this planet. but mr. corn, let me tell you something. let me tell you, the democratic party, hillary clinton, and the media. if you want to know who is fueling the fire for all of these riots, talk to george soros yourself, hillary clinton, obama, and everybody else that wants to take the western culture out of america and turn it into something that is very, very evil. host: thank you for the call. guest: there you go. that's a typical trump supporter. western -- he wants -- obama wants to take western culture out of america and make america evil. why? because he as secret muslim or he wasn't born here? this is a conspiracy theory and -- which i think is rooted to some degrees in racism, not economic anxiety, not because this guy can't pay his electric

bill, that donald trump paid to with his birther talk and talking about global elites and saying -- this is what republicans have done for eight years now that try to make obama the other. they all played footsie with the birther talk. and in some polls you have over a majority of republicans saying they believe obama's muslim. which to them is a bad thing. not that they think that's a good thing. o you have this -- this evil strain on the right of people who, out of racism or whatever, they don't want to press one for english and two for spanish, and they worry that obama and the democrats are destroying western culture here. and it's about race probably more than anything else. and donald trump saw that. he did it with birtherism and catapolt. t as his and that's why if people are see that to protest and to look

to donald trump as the president of all the united states to address this and to express some regret for how he inflamed these passions. ost: send us your tweet. final question. first order of business. the president elect to nominate a supreme court nominee. will there be payback by the democrats? guest: i think they will consider it maybe they should consider it. it's unfortunate because the republicans i think violated the spirit of the constitution. they violated the spirit of the constitution. barack obama 45d a year left on an eight-year term. 12% of his term. there was a vacancy in the supreme court and they did not allow government to function. even went out of his way to

appoint somebody who is maybe more moderate or less liberal than he would choose on his own if there was a democratic majority in the senate. and that didn't matter, either. so from the very beginning of his presidency to the bitter end, republicans said we are going to use every tool we have to obstruct and get our way even though he was voted in by a greater majority than donald trump was. and i think that's low and i think it's put us on a terrible path ahead. host: dave corn. people can follow you on twitter at david corn d.c. the washington bureau chief for mother jones. thank you very much for stoming by. guest: i love c-span. thanks for having me. host: we love having you. please come back again. we'll get more perspectives on all sides. coming up, scott mcconnell will be joining us, the founding

ditor the american conservative magazine. the full interview on our website at c-span.org. here's a portion. >> first of all, the key point in my mind in a transition is to pivot from the campaign, which we are currently in, to governing. that is the key shift in this less than 80 day period. and that's what the next president of the united states and his or her team needs to focus on.

and that is a pretty difficult shift to make after working so hard to get elected. secondly, it is a monumental task, as max noted and i can say from a business side, if you just think about it as i speak to business groups, what if you had less than 80 days to organize a company with 4,000 people that you needed to get in place, senate confirmed as lay noted, $4 trillion budget, 2 million 1i68ion employees, and a tremendously diverse set of activities and portfolios that usually makes even the most fearless, confident and competent ceo's head spin a bit. that is a monumental undertaking. thirdly, i would say that the transition process has come a long way from when president

truman who first initiated the thought of a transition, orderly transition with president-elect dwight eisenhower -- who by the way, was not warm and receptive to president truman's overturs, hich then got a tart handwritten note back to ike, saying they're not giving you good advice. or something to that effect. but since that time i think we have seen and josh can speak to this a readiness, a resept tivity, a feeling of patriotism, responsibility, duty on the prior administration to work with the incoming administration even if they are of another party. and probably the best transition that's taken place is the bush 43 transition to the obama administration. and that is a good example. so there's not been a lack of

good will or seriousness of purpose. what there had been a lack of is kind of order, definition, and formality in the transition process. and that's what max and his team and the center is working diligently to really help frame that, particularly with the dramatic changes -- dramatic changes -- that have taken place since 1992 and the clinton transition, but even in he last ten years. host: another point of view on the election returns. we want to welcome scott mcconnell, the founding editor of the american conservative magazine. good morning. guest: good morning. host: you were listening so i will begin the same questions. your thoughts about the results. what happened? guest: well, donald trump won the most surprising victory in my lifetime in terms of shocking the pollsters and

every analyst. host: so you did not expect -- guest: no. i did not expect it at off monday night a british friend journalist called me saying it will be like brexit. and i said no. you know, i think the press is very biased against trump but pollsters are professional and they're going to get it right. they got it right in 2012. so i was stunned at 9:00, 10:00 tuesday night came around. wow, this is a shocker. and it's the most shocking thing i've ever experienced in politics. host: hillary clinton yesterday in a conference call with supporters blaming f.b.i. director comey for her loss. how significant was that? guest: sure, it was a factor. but a lot of things are -- unexpected things are factors. talking about hillary's ties as

part of her baggage. trump had stuff part of his baggage, too. obviously the various audiotapes and stuff that surfaced. and that blunted his momentum. so these are both imperfect candidates. host: moving ahead, can donald trump bring the country together? guest: i definitely think he can. i think a lot of his agenda -- which is pro-working class agenda -- will appeal to a great many democrats and a great many democratic legislatures and will be -- will do well in the country. will create good jobs and get people moving and have a sense of optimism again. d i think a lot of democrats are not as enthusiastic about open borders as their party's leadership is and a lot of their constituents will be thinking, gee, it might be nice not to have to compete with an unskilled immigrant for every

year that wages go up and things like that. i think on those bases he will has a certainly good chance of unifying the country. host: is he a conservative? guest: not certainly in the sense of like being part of the conservative movement or reaganenite conservative who believes in lower taxes, less taxes. i think when national review to this big mag zinwide attack on him in february and said he's not a real conservative, there was an argument to be made that he is conservative in a kind of way, maybe an eisenhower conservative. like he grew up, he was ten years old when ike won new york state by 20%. and he's kind of looks back or hoping to restore part of an america where a lot of people had good jobs, where there were a lot of good working class jobs. there was a lot of infrastructure spending. there was not a lot of wars.

and there was a feeling of national unity. and i think that's the kind of conservatism that trump is. host: you write trump's era of promise. and basically saying that we are moving into what you call unchartered territory. we need to do that. explain. guest: well, the the nations of the west are under a kind of odd -- face an odd challenge. it's not like -- they face a challenge of losing their ability to provide good jobs for average people and they face tremendous challenges which are almost identity to define challenges for mass immigration. europe to a much greater extent than the united states but it's part of the same thing. this is these are -- a new era. it's not clear that france or england will exist in the way

that we've always thought of them as existing for the last several hundred years. longer than that. and the same is kind of true in the united states. that is a new era. and also the fact that for the first time in american history paris widely do -- parents do not assume that they're going to be better than they are. this is a new thing. this is a country built on economic growth and optimism about the future. for the first time that's closed off. so these are huge challenges and we hope we can deal with them. and we hope trump is a lever to deal with them. or if not, then someone else. host: here's donald trump wednesday early in the morning declaring victory and talking about what's next. [applause] >> working together we will begin the urgent task of rebuilding our nation and renewing the american dream. i have spent my entire life in

business looking at the untapped potential in projects and in people all over the world. that is now what i want to do for our country. [cheers and applause] tremendous potential. i've gotten to know our country so well. tremendous potential. it's going to be a beautiful thing. every single american will have the opportunity to realize his or her fullest potential. the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. [cheers and applause] we are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals. we're going to rebuild our infrastructure. which will become, by the way,

second to none. and we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it. host: the president elect declaring victory in new york. go back eight years. barack obama talking about exactly the same thing saying we need to rebuild america, roads, bridges, high speed, rail. republicans blocked him every step of the way. will republicans now go along what some are saying the art of the deal meets the new deal with donald trump? guest: i think some will and some won't. but i think he will be able to draw enough support from both parties to forge a maybe new kind of majority. but i don't think -- republicans are not going to oppose him the way they opposed obama. they wanted to say no to everything obama did. and i don't think it was to their credit, particularly. host: but that's going to take money. they're going to have to agree to spend more money, which is something they have not done. guest: i suspect trump will inflate the economy and try to

stimulate the economy and think that growth will take care of inflationary pressures. but i don't think -- he's not going to be facing a no-no-no congress. host: there's a tweet from nother viewer. guest: that's a court decision. right? the court would have to judge. and then i guess that question would revert to the states. so it's not a legislative question for trump so far as i understand it. host: in another piece that you wrote, we've been hearing all about the at-right. guest: it's a big thing that meends very different things. there is a kind of sensibility which i think is very present in the website bright bart. and it's much wider sfred in the country of anti-political

correctness which, you know, which i think defines a lot of the at-right. and the sense that one ought to be able to speak more frankly about urban crime or immigration. and then there's another part of the alt-right which is some figures who i know who are much more radical. and i think they're likely to remain pretty marginal unless america goes into a complete collapse. but they are exclusively white nationalists. and those two visions of the alt-right get kind of merged. i'm sure that trump has absolutely nothing to do with the latter version. nd the former version, a platform, is important as the administration in some roles. and hillary made a speech about the alt-right and kind of took

these -- pushed these very marginal figures into the mainstream or tried to. she made tv ads quoting jared taylor, which is insane. nobody had heard of him before. host: you write from your publicication, white nationalism is still marginal but anti-globalism isn't. guest: i think that's absolutely true. there's -- there are major electoral movements in all the western countries that are pretty much anti-globalist. there was brexit. a front in france is the largest party in france. trump has won. there's a sense that people in the western countries have lost control of their political and cultural destiny. and they're striving to regain that through the best tool available to them, which is the ballot box. host: a tweet from one of our viewers.

mary from massachusetts. caller: good morning. let me preface my remarks first by i wanted to comment on something that you showed when mr. corn was on. you're basically giving the vote count before michigan votes are actually counted. mr. trump won 62 million million plus votes while 62 ary clinton won only million but less. so he won the popular vote. let me say as a former lifelong democrat. i grew up a proud democrat. i believed in my party. i thought my party cared about the poor. but i watched my party deliberatively dispossess u.s. citizens of their jobs, of

their stakes in the u.s. and you can smile all you like, sir. when i was still a democrat i called senator john kerry's office to express my concern because of the homelessness i was seeing in my community. and mr. kerry's staffer called e a right wing corporate w-h-o-r-e. we have millions forced out of the workplace discriminated against because of their country of origin, the united states. we have foreign nationals able to undercut our wages because they're able to exploit our welfare program including guest workers. we're paying up to 70% of their rent in apartment complexes. that is a fact. the media doesn't represent that. they don't report it. we have been ignored for over 30 years in our country. we have been demeend and

dehumanized by the media to make us appear the way the nazis attacked the jews by demeaning them and making them less and to rationalize their dispossession. the violation of their civil rights. host: ok. i'm going to thank you for making your comments and points. we'll give our guest a chance to respond. guest: i think some of the things that mary said are a little over the top for me. nazis and jews and stuff. but she expresses quite eloquently a sentiment of political dispossession which a lot of people in the country have. and also, since it came up now, the popular vote question. i don't know what the final score of the popular vote is. but as a political fact it's about as relevant as the fact that the cleveland indians had a higher on base percentage than the cubs so they're the true winner of the world series. host: my favorite t-shirt from the cubs. anyone can have a bad century.

his is a tweet from james. thanks for your comment. ruth. democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm sure that people understand that what has happened was the same thing that happened when obama came in. people were discontent then as well. the same people got discontent when the republican congress refused to help obama and for eight years they did nothing but got paid. they stayed up there for eight years, they got paid, they didn't do anything but obstruct everything for the country. it was all about the party. guest: you know, i'm not unsympathetic to that point of view. i actually voted twice for obama and i oppose him on a lot

of issues that have emerged over the last two or three years. but i think there are quite a number of obama voters like me who voted for trump. host: why obama and not romney in 2012? guest: to be honest, i was afraid romney was going to start a war with iran. host: and why not john mccain in 2008? guest: the same reason. host: let's go to michael. also on the democrat's line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i have just a couple of questions and then one comment. n the sexual assault allegations, will there be any congressional hearings and f.b.i. investigations? and on the statement part, i was wondering if the there's any concerns on the other side of the ticket of this movement that is going on that it might get worse. thank you. host: first on the issue of governor chris christie.

some say he was demoated because the vice president elect mike sense overseeing that transition. now he's one of the vice chairs. guest: i suspect it will come out one way or another more facts that either implicate him further or largely exonerate him. but clearly until that's resolved he's seems to be a little of a burden for the trump team much as i'm sure trump likes and respects him. host: do you think he will have a role in the administration? guest: i think it depends how the bridgegate thing comes. i think he is likely to have some roll. but the intensity of his political star will depend a ittle bit on how bridgegate is -- resolves itself. host: from another viewer. guest: enemy number one is not the way i would think about it.

but paul ryan is politically he kind of conservative who is opposed to trumpism on most issues. but also paul ryan is a politician. and if he senses that his constituents, both in his district and in the state of wisconsin and nationally in the republican party, are kind of moving in a sort of that kind of direction, he might have an attitude adjustment. that's what politicians do. so i have very much an open mind on paul ryan. host: reiterating your point, another tweet. independent line from new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to give some backdrop regarding these trade laws. and they all seem to think that it's not. let me give you some backdrop on it.

kennedy and quail sponsored the act under ronald reagan. what did that do? it allowed companies to move offshore with our blessing and the taxpayer picked up the tab for two years of benefits with retraining. so there was nothing. this was a ronald reagan child. and to say that the democrats started that, no. unfortunately, no. and i worked 42 years with the department of labor. company after company moved in the 80s. not -- there was nothing. you can decry now. it's because what they did under nafta which the republicans enforced, they cut the benefits of two years down to one year. had they kept the benefits i probably or you probably would never have heard anybody complaining. so we have to look at the bigger picture. when did this start? who started it? why did it happen. and it leads all back to edward kennedy and dan quayle and

ronald reagan. thank you. guest: well, it's deeper than that. there are really big structural problems in global capitalism o -- that kind of propel capital to look for where labor is cheapest and technological change makes that happen more easily. it's either going to be restrained by government or encouraged. and nafta and other bills and other legislation like the one the lady mentioned head encourage it. but it can be -- government can push back the other way and i'm pretty sure that's what donald trump will try to do. host: you can respond or we can move on.

guest: and hillary as ambassador of libya. host: peter. go ahead, please. caller: hello, mr. mcconnell. thank you for being on c-span and thanks to c-span for bringing you. as you see, i'm from vancouver, washington, just over the river here we have our liberals going crazy in portland. i've spent my life as a republican but just this past year i had to change my name from republican to conservative. and even that is with a small c. i have a real hard time relating to any political party. the sad thing is, is that it's not really about politics. it's about the way we look at our life. it's like nobody wants to hear he word no any more. that's sad.

i voted for trump because -- clear the swamp. that's basically what it came down to for me. and even him i have problems because he's not the type of man that i look at and see as being capable of accepting the word no. and why i'm conservative is times. i know there are sometimes you've just got to take the answer no. and that's all there is. and get on with it. i would love to see the supreme court stay at 8. maybe it's time to have some ties. where nobody's right. and we can mind our own business. and on personal basis do what's right. on both sides. host: i'll stop you there. thank you for your call. i'll put these comments and two tweets.

finally, i am a moment of color who voted for trump, the democratic party left me. breitbart's and 2009 and never ran across a white nationalist. to all of these points? guest: the last comment i think is interesting that trump, , heite every media outlet did much better among african-americans, or not much better but somewhat better. mitt romney did. we can hope about the other deplorable caller, i would say

innot put too much faith princes, but we have to he does [indiscernible] host: on the republican line, heath is next. caller: i lived in rural america my whole life and we finally came out to about because we were desperate for a change. these regulations killing us farmers. what gets me, after 7.5 years of us suffering under obama, we finally voted and all these people are protesting. the trump's supporters are the ones called these bad names and causing the problems -- well, you see what we are up against with people in the street. inseems like it is reversed the mainstream media and they will play that. it seems like a left is with the violence and stuff comes from. i am sorry, but i want your opinion on that. how can we get the background and we are not doing nothing? we just like keep our guns, our

freedoms, but we get a bad rap. why is this? guest: i think the issue of violence in the streets or in the campaigns is a very valid guess you know their democratic operatives trying to start violence at temporarily's and the media developed this -- violence at trump rallies and the media had a prefabricated narrative that trump was this proto-fascist figure, which i think is false. i am comfortable with what the caller said about the suffering under obama. i think obama has been a good than bad president, but he is fairly popular number reason. far more popular than hillary. i would not want to attribute bad ining that is about america is obama, and i don't think trampled and that either.

a goodncouraged they had meeting. i don't know where it will go, but people think they will have many more and hope they do. host: the democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. our guest is scott mcconnell, the founding editor of "american conservative magazine. --"american conservative magazine." what prompted you to start this publication? guest: i worked for the canon's and i knew they were conservatives that felt unrepresented by the high immigration, programmable list kind of thing, which became dominant in the republican party. after 9/11, it was very clear bush was going to start a war with iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11 and only inflame the situation and cause massive destruction.

we wanted to have a conservative voice to push back on it. we got together and formed a magazine, which we started publishing in 2002. said,ody mocked us, surefire failure, because everybody is on deck with the reform in the middle east and all that stuff. i remember it was difficult to tell young staffers who felt they were risking their careers involved with the magazine. some of them that the war was not going to be also not going to work out as well as the neoconservatives and george w. bush thought it would, so we started off as essentially of you can and i -- essentially as a buchananite magazine. host: scott mcconnell has his

work online at the american conservative magazine.com and also the editor and author of "ideological wars" that cannot this spring. we go to virginia, democrat line. good morning. down orurn the volume we will have a net go and it will be hard to follow you. caller: thank you very much. thanks for being on. i watch you all the time and thank you, mr. mcconnell, for being there. is thing that i have to say people have to come together. this in siding of violence and so forth from both parties is not good and there are no ways the government will function of people don't come together. on privatization of social security, i think paul ryan will commit suicide as far as his

possibility of becoming president after his term. mr. trump has stated he is not going to privatize medicare and social security and i agree with that. , im a long-term democrat have voted for obama, i voted for the person who i think will do the job properly, and as far as term limits that mr. trump has abdicated -- has advocated, that is what we need in washington. i think the reason the american people voted for him is because trump had a two party that came to play and all the republicans got voted in and president obama cannot get anything through because they were bickering back and forth on issues and bills that came up. i think the american people have seen through all of this.

like i say, we are going to have to get back before people come together and thank you very much for taking my call. host: ross, two are from charlottesville. guest: i think that is a good call. i would associate myself with most of what he said. security,rtant social medicare, as i have said before, trump is an eisenhower republican, not one of these guys who was railing against any new deal legislation and figures out how to cut taxes so rich people can have more, honestly. host: anothertweet -- another tweet saying violence from the left is not staged, this notion is complete bull. guest: first, there is very little violence at trump rallies. the biggest was when the left th attacked people in chicago

in march. i think that was the most violent episode. everything else is really pretty small. -- as ire have been understand it -- documentary evidence of the left seeking to stir people up it can be done. if people went into hillary rallies with posters of fetuses and called her a murderer, i bet someone would have punched someone in the nose, too, so whatever. host: like nick mullen karen as independent -- karen as independent, donald trump rewriting it and when donald message according to "the washington post," was the republican party is not home for conservatives. guest: i think there's something to that. the conservative movement acts

as crystallized in the 1990's as being pro-military intervention and neoconservative in foreign policy, in favor of wall street, lower taxes, high immigration, sort of washington-based conservative movement that calls itself reagan night -- reaganite. it doesn't have an obvious champion right and much power. andoes have a lot of money important magazines so far and think tanks, but i think a lot of people who are sort of foot foot soldiers in that movement are taking a new look at what is around them and people adjust to realities. it happens all the time, it happened after the 1960's. host: let me go back to them

when the issue. i asked about the republicans and the infrastructure program by elected donald trump. hillary had all the problems paid for, and trump will skyrocket the national debt -- guest: yes, trump will skyrocket the national debt -- i hope not but he is willing to take that risk. it is a risk that a lot of the economists, including on the left, have said that government should take. they have been beating the source for not worrying about the national debt for one million years and i am not an economist and i cannot predict how it will work, but i think there is a possibility that the national debt will not be keeping it down the priority of terms and that will be stimulus in the economy in terms of jobs and it will be seen as a risk worth taking.

field toomplicated analyze. host: also a tweet saying -- it would be a big mistake to understate the amount of fear that half of the country feels. guest: i hope to get over it. that they have that fear because a great part of the media has been painting trump and the people behind him and the movement as some kind of fascist and it is not. he is in new york real estate guy. [laughter] one thing about fastest is you have the discipline mass party. trump did not even have his own field organization and the campaign, and he is a real estate new york. he tells it like it is. he is not under the influence of political correctness. he is in new york real estate, and would get over the fear

i hope it dissipates, so i will. host: we have been focusing on the progressive movement in what is next for the conservative movement. dina joining us from kentucky, republican line. good sunday morning. thank you for waiting period caller: thank you -- waiting period caller: thank you particular -- waiting. caller: thank you particular call. god intervened. there was no way in the world that at least tuesday that i felt trump could win this election because all of the liberal media had skewed everything to the point that if that were given facts, she was already celebrating victory. god intervened. he is tired of us murdering babies in this country. we have got to get out of that and get in the direction that we should be going. this is terribly wrong. it is a sin against the nation and it will bring the wrath of

god if we do not change it. i pretty got that trump -- i pray to god that trump will change this in one of his first moves. god bless america, god bless trump and his administration. host: thank you. that follows up on the tweet earlier, a constitutional court the republicanld congress take up issues that would restrict abortion? and should they? this is not my issue, to be honest. i think it is mostly the court issue and is likely to go to legislature of the state and should be part of the national conversation, and people in the country are fairly evenly divided about abortion or abortion under different circumstances. the moralat reflects complexity of the issue.

as far as i understand it, risention to abortion has over the last 15 years and among young people, too, so i don't think it is settled once and for all. i think it is worth the court issue and i don't think it is a republican issue. host: donald on the line, good morning with scott mcconnell. caller: good morning. just all the democrats out there, take a breather and let going trump do it he is to do. the reason i say that is because i am trying to read a book about robert reich and capitalism. --o not think donald trump he will not be able to do much of what he says he is going to do. only because capitalism needs to be re-tweaked.

capitalism such that a person who let's say people who voted for donald trump with a high school diploma, they need to go out and return it to something else and make the money that they are making. there is just so many factors involved. npr the otheron artificial intelligence robots -- you think robots are taking jobs now, automation taking jobs that- they said that robots are going to really be taking a lot of jobs. unless mr. trump can do something about that -- [laughter]

i don't see anything that he can somehow capitalism can -tweaked, that it can take care of for help the middle class person be able to train into something else and find a job. host: we will give him the chance to respond. thank you for the call. we appreciate it. guest: the caller is largely right. mean, i'm sure donald trump not have an answer to the robot issue, and i don't think anybody does. what government can do is read rules-- re-tweaked trade and export of capital and job has not done.h it for the last generation, it has been entirely on the side of capital -- the fluidity of capital and moving jobs abroad.

it can go on the other side and make a difference. i think re-tweaking is a good word. it will not be revolutionary because no president has that much power. host: bottom line, number one agenda item for the new president from your standpoint? guest:. i think it is immigration i think that really feel -- i think it is immigration. i think that is the court issue that field his rise. rise.led his secondarily, political correctness, which is not like an issue, but the amount of insanity about what language can be used to describe certain things, i think is a real undercurrent of trumpism. god, gail professors losing their jobs because the wife of one of them said they be yale has better things to do then policing hollowing costumes and mass protests and professors ,eally establish

well-established professors losing their job over that. it seems insane and it has become pervasive in the university culture. i think trump is so unaffected by that and so dismissive of it and it ticket will have an effect, but he will move on immigration in a good way, i think. host: scott mcconnell of the "american conservative magazine ," your work available online and do you tweet? guest: i do. if you just to scott mcconnell on twitter -- and i looked with her. [laughter] host: thank you. guest: thank you very much. host: from the political spectrum to foreign policy, what is next for the new president? coming up, david rothkopf will join us, the ceo and editor of "foreign policy," and the author of "national insecurity: american leadership in an age of fear." incoming thoughts on the incoming cabinet and what to expect from the new

administration. comments made in october and here's a portion. [video clip] the some capacity in the and drivember to lead strong management and they don't have to execute on a day-to-day basis. they may have a chief administrative officer and their multiple ways to address that. you may have really strong agencies, but my experience is that everyone of the management skills i have gone to in my life, i have had to use in this job. and developing skills that i did not happen policy skills, because these departments are huge. , tens and thousands of people and in some instances, much bigger than that. and your budgets are very significant. i would say some

and coming from the public and private sector to run one of -- to run the department going to cabinet secretary, you want to dive into your budget before you start or the minute you arrived because your budget becomes a policy, and your ability to actually effectuate -- if you want to effectuate serious policy change, you need budget approval or budget flexibility. with congressional oversight becoming more and more in the needls that means you buy-in to the things you want to do. if you do not have the kind of buy-in, it is hard to effectuate the kind of programs and policies that you want to. so there is some flexibility, but there is not as much as you

would think, so the budget becomes your policy. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we want to welcome the ceo and editor at "foreign policy," and dr. of "national insecurity: american leadership in the age of fear," david rothkopf. good morning. by the title? guest: since 9/11, we have been focused on foreign threats, particularly threats from terrorist groups, which are serious but they are not , and meanwhile, the world has been changing in profound ways. we have not been tracking those changes or dealing with the future. what i wanted to do was to try to take a step away from the means of fear. i thought that might happen in this election. as it happens, we came to an election cycle where the winning candidate is very much a fear mongering candidate and continued to play on those

games, the fear of other people, other racial and ethnic groups, that thisso it shows problem continues in the u.s. and this tracking is from the future. news,let me ask you about cnn confirming that for americans, to service members and to american contractors killed in apparent suicide bombs that took place yesterday at the largest u.s. airbase in afghanistan. the explosion also wounded 16 other u.s. service members, as well as one polish soldier. the tall been claimed responsibility in a tweet praising "the strong attack on the bagram airfield." of what we face around the world's especially in iraq and afghanistan. guest: political campaigns are tidy. you have to assert that you can control things in the future and where you will not be able to. is in office, president trump will do with afghanistan, iraq, syria,

unexpected crises around the world. he will have to deal with those, and that would take them off of his agenda. it will also introduce them into the real world in a way that he has never been exposed to it before because he has no foreign policy experience. every president has been tested by foreign-policy issues, kennedy, the iran hostage crisis with jimmy carter, the attacks in the marine base of ronald reagan, so how do the president trump should prepare for the unforeseen circumstances? caller: well, -- guest: well, i would have preferred to have a president with foreign-policy experience. we tend to elect presidents with not much experience. six of the last seven presidents had virtually none. as far as what he can do now, he could appoint a team of people who had that experience, and you could listen to them carefully

because he is now going to go of on-the-jobod training that is at higher stakes and more challenging than any individual anyone the planet. host: that is the essence of "the washington post's" front .tory for trump, the art of the transition, and basically, how we extends beyond playlist to get people to go with them on national security issues. one says, i think it is time for them to be professional and second that. we work for the president and congress and that is what we do. we are capable and have to do our job. guest: of course they will do that. they always do that. they do that with every president of the united states. the assertion that they might not actually echoes trumps content for the intelligence community during the campaign.

he says he was smarter than that, who he attacked and said he was smarter than them and go to the intelligence community and said he wasn't trustworthy or did not want to trust them and he would have to extend the olive branch to say, i am here to listen and learn. i also think one of the things to watch closely is who he picks to be his tutors in foreign policy. right now, he is a blank slate on foreign policy. the people who are closest to him, giving him advice, are also instructing him, and are shaping him as a future foreign policy leader. those choices in the next couple of weeks will be extremely telling. host: let me get your reaction to european reaction. you'll hear from angela merkel, but first, theresa may, the british prime minister, reacting to the news of donald trump as our 45th president. [video clip] theresa may: congratulate donald trump, britain and the united

states will remain close partners on trade security and defense. we have a long-standing and enduring, special relationship, built on shared values as freedom of democracy and enterprise. i look forward to looking with president-elect prompt to ensure we can maintain the security and prosperity of our nations in the future. >> given what he said in the campaign about women, muslims, ,nd plans that raise eyebrows will you be able to work with him? forward to -- theresa may: pilot for to working with president-elect on. american people elected him. burton and united states shared values of democracy and enterprise, and avid forward to building on the special relationship between our countries to ensure the security and prosperity of our nations in the future. host: your reaction to what the british prime minister said? guest: fairly predictable.

these reactions tend to be anodized and she's a political cousin of trump's. , right of xena phobic center politician, who has gone into office talking about getting out of europe and attacking refugees, and she is part of a wave. one of the things we need to see trump in the context of the bigger way toward right-wing, xenophobia, and to refugee, leaders, and that includes leaders across europe, vladimir putin. there was a report not too long ago, a couple days ago, that stephen bannon, a right-hand aid to trump, reached out to the forces in france, and election happening in france, see extreme right group in france, and said, let's work together and they

responded i, absolutely, let's work together. i think we need to see donald trump as been part of something that is bigger globally and is very worrisome if we have any recollection of what happens when right-wing movements like this take power in places like europe. host: on the merkel saying "on the basis of these values, i am offering to work closer with the future president of the united .tates we are bound by democracy, freedom and respecting the rule of law."also to it vladimir putin said , our radio audience will hear this through a translator. [video clip] heardir putin: we have when he was still a candidate of the presidency. russian] >> he spoke about restoring relations with russia and the united states.

vladimir putin:[speaking russian] translator: we understand that onwill be difficult to take the current state of the relation between the relations of the u.s. and russia. vladimir putin:[speaking russian] translator: as i have repeated the said, it is not our fault that russian-american relations are in the poor state. vladimir putin:[speaking russian] translator: we want to restore the full-fledged relations of the united states. the comments of the russian president vladimir putin. handsritics saying he had in the election, with wikileaks and his friendship with donald trump, indirect support of

donald trump. guest: how is the u.s. intelligence community. that would be we just talked about trump learning to respect and work with. wikileaks is an agent of the russian government. they were present throughout the campaign. think about how close the campaign was. hillary clinton won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote fight tens and thousands of votes in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. .his is a slight difference could the drumbeat of wikileaks made a difference? absolutely. we do not know for sure. there are other factors and we should not minimize the fact of , butivided the country is could the russians have played an important role in tipping the scales? they could have. good donald trump repudiate the support of the russians -- good donald trump repudiate their support? he embraced it.

when asked about whether we should stand up to putin, who has been bald-faced, an aggressor in ukraine, georgia, has beent the broad, responsible for atrocities in syria, did trump offer criticism? not.e did i suspect that while you just heard was a measured statement from the russian president, when trump was unexpectedly elected and the russians did not expect them to win, they were champagne corks popping in the kremlin. this is the outset they wanted. there is not been since the end of the american world -- the second world war, the president that has entered office with a warm tilt toward russia been proven. -- than putin. angela merkel was offering and admonition and not full embrace.

she said we had values to the extent to which the president embraces those values will be able to work together. there were other leaders, nicolas sturgeon in scotland and elsewhere, who said similar remarks, which is essentially, let's wait and see with regard to trump. ast: we have comments through translator, so we will go to luis first from virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i think you are the right wing, the extreme right. ,ou are the new conservative the person who once -- neoconservative, the person who wants to push us into war. we do want to be friends with russia, syria, turkey, the whole world. you and your groups, you are the people who are constantly pushing for war. you are at the extreme right, and you want to call donald trump right? .e is dead center

remember what ronald reagan said, there is no left or right, just up and down. you are the right winged brain that brings us down. you are no better than the left that brings us down. i hope americans look at the foreign policy of all you so-called experts and see what you brought us for the past 40 years. thank you so much. guest: [laughter] what am i supposed to say to that nonsense? first, i am not a neocon. i was in the administration, for those who want to accuse me of because i wasger in the clinton administration, i was also in the kissinger. i think in the tradition of foreign-policy experts for a long time, which is that we try to look at the facts. weakacts are that being with aggressive people like is more likely to produce conflict and sending a strong message.

i was enormously critical of the face ofn dealing with russia with barack obama, just as i am concerned that putin. does itstion was about matter foreign power tries to manipulate our elections and probably have some affect? i think it does. should we be wary of a foreign power that would seek to do such things? i would think we should. names and labels that name-calling and silliness like that call aside. the reality is that stings had taken place here recently, which deserve attention and deserve the attention of the incoming administration because they are signs of problems to come. host: comments from our viewers, ike, or tom dawn -- eisenhower, would love trump. he is the first president in the have century that is not the

holding to the military-industrial complex. and then this -- they said, better relations with russia are not a bad idea, especially after the coup in ukraine by economic hitmen. guest: [laughter] oh my god. i think ike would not have had patients with trump at all. i have respect for eisenhower and based on his world war ii experience and time in office, for thesey skeptical inexperienced commentators who came onto the scene, as prompted. -- ask trump did. when eisenhower was resident, he sought to strike the right balance between strength and aggression within his own party because of the fact that he had the kind of experience that he did. holding to nom one -- holding to no one -- but

eholden to no one. look at his team. sponsors, but rarely compared to what was true in the obama administration. it is a step toward the military-industrial complex. they still what we are hearing, the appointment that trump is likely to make are going to deliver the message that he is at the core of the establishment , as he always was, and that this the earth of the of thedent -- myth independent is going to give way to the reality of someone trying to further his nest and that of his friends. host: betsy from angela merkel -- let's hear from angela merkel per you will see the subtitles on the bottom of the screen. [video clip] german]erkel:[speaking

host: the comments of german chancellor in german with english translation below. your comments? guest: she said, i'm happy to work with you if you embrace people of our region. if you treat women properly. if you share these values. these were references to things he said during the campaign. she was saying, we are not a blank slate, we will not follow blindly. you have got to stick to the values that have underpinned the alliance since it was established in world war ii.

i think in this statement, you ,aw merkel make a strong pitch that a lot of what will happen in the near future is going to be driven by her because trump is [indiscernible] and some people in europe are distrustful. host: is the future of nato in doubt? guest: trump ran with criticisms of nato, comments about them not bearing or sharing the burden -- i think a deep understanding of wine alliance exists. he was critical as if we offered a one-way street of protection for them, when we entered into the alliance because they andred an important buffer support for us militarily, politically and otherwise. i think that is something we need to watch carefully because the atlantic alliance, adequately with the way it is today, is absolutely vital to

our future. one would hope that any new president would focus on revitalizing it, strengthening relationships, and making the institution effective in the context of 21st century challenges. host: you can read the work of ,ur guest at foreign policy.com the former managing director of kissinger associates and served in the clinton administration under secretary of commerce. his latest book "national insecurity: american leadership in an age of fear." christine from florida, republican line. caller: good morning. how are you today? host: fine, thank you. caller: good. my question pretty much is the foreign policy immigration. do we feel that donald trump will put a change in one women coming to the country legal, illegal, and said they had a

baby that they are automatic citizens? host: two you understand the question? guest: yeah. i think she is concerned about policies that have made children born in the united states automatically to citizens and she wonders if it will change. donald trump said he would change the policies, rudy giuliani said he would change the policies. he has someone on his transition team whose sole focus is building a wall and changing immigration policies. assume see no reason to that he is not going to try to change them. paul ryan, who recently just said he doesn't expect massive duplication, so some of between terms inflammatory rhetoric -- trumps inflammatory rhetoric and the status quo is really will be, and i suspect that will mean requirements for new immigrants, i thinkorcement, and

that will be interesting. barack obama supported twice as many people as george w. bush. it is not in his first term in office. , but not well understood the republican party was traditionally very tolerant and embracing of immigration within certain rules and limits. what trumps rhetoric -- trump's rhetoric, and some has been racist and bio, but even the more moderate rhetoric represents a departure, particularly when you consider a nationed states is of immigrants and one of the reasons we are one of the major countries in the world that has not suffered from rapid aging of the population has to do it why we embrace immigrants. he also ignore the fact with regard to mexican immigration that net flows right now are out of the u.s. and into mexico, as

opposed to the other way. they are the ones facing inflows and challenges they pose. host: susan in oklahoma, republican line. good morning. caller: yes, i just wanted to i think most americans are tired of the media and are happy to get information from any direction. most work all day. they come home at night and they hear stories on the 6:00 news about dogs and movie actors. secondly, i would like to say that they would like to be , is it ok to put a temporary hold on immigration and help the people here in our black communities and the working class people right now? and that we can go back to whatever they think is proper, but people are hurting right now and no one seems to recognize it. host: thank you. guest: well, first of all, if you don't trust the media, then

i think you need to examine what your definition is of the media because you get information from everywhere and wikileaks is part of that. you need to find places you trust. the u.s. intelligence committee says do not trust wikileaks and they believe they are an agent of the russian government. if the u.s. intelligence community believes that an evidence supports that, find someone else to trust. the 6:00 newsrust wikileaks, there are plenty of choices. as far as dealing with immigration and putting it on hold, let's be realistic. we do not accept that many immigrants. it is not a burden to our society to absorb the ones we do accept. i think we have accepted too few immigrants from crisis torn regions during there are 63 million people in the world dislocated. many are helpless, pose no threat to anybody and we had the

richest and most powerful country. that goes to the final point of we are the richest and most powerful country. we have never been richer or more powerful. we don't have to make america great again. america is already great, but there are people in the u.s. suffering. inequality is a serious problem. i think we have to have some confidence that the united states government, the largest organization on the planet earth, the largest entity on planet earth of its kind had the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. we can deal with problems in the cities, education, infrastructure, security, and we can continue to be humane and recognize the many benefits that immigration has brought us. , in myim says, we need opinion, nato. they need us. but do we need the united nations? not sure about that.

u.n. headquarters should move. thoughts? guest: do we need a community of nations trying to resolve through discussion, dialogue, mutual understanding and cooperation? quarterslmost three after the founding, the answer is yes. could the united nations be doing a better job and is a need for reform? i think the answer is yes. we want to to move? is a personal decision. i think having the united nations in new york has benefited the united states and new york, so i would not advocate it. host: helen, republican line from louisiana. good morning. caller: god bless c-span. begin to multiply on the face of

the earth, that the sense of god's daughters that were fair and wise, and [indiscernible] godwhites and when the choose whites, and that is on page 257, white, peer and innocent, beautiful, perfect features, free from the black, wicked evil -- guest: i will jump in. host: we will move on to another call. let's go to randy from wisconsin. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i was wondering what his opinions were of trump supporters, white supremacist, kkk and other groups that are quite disturbing. host: both calls connected. guest: that really illustrated it and the point.

donald trump has the candidate nowtered the tensions that are broiling u.s. policy, politics. he attacked mexicans as racist. he said he was going to ban people based on the religion, contrary to the spirit of the constitution. as the second caller indicated, he allowed himself to benefit of the support of the kkk, the white supremacist groups, nationalist groups, and never once repudiated it, just as he never repudiated 10. -- vladimir putin. i think that is troubling. you cannot be a precedent for all the people when a key group supporting you prefers whites, .nglo-saxons, attacks jews

when he ran in the final days and then add attacked in an unprecedented way as being anti-semitic as it was anti-semitic. -- he ismuslim anti-muslim, anti-semitic, supporters that openly racist, has never repudiated this and has created an atmosphere reflected in your prior caller, which is a lot of the groups feel empowered and the tensions we see in our schools today and in the streets are driven by this. unsettled by am the current tenor of american politics and i blame that to a large degree on a trump campaign that seemed to be willing to do anything and embrace anyone to become elected. host: let's go to al from ohio, good morning. caller: hello? host: go ahead. waser: i did not know i

going to get on so soon. i just called. old and i have been watching my whole life foreign policy. we had the vietnam war, body counts every day. i watched this. we actually ins my view became aggressively worse. we started from bombing farmers in vietnam, setting villages on fire and we go to iraq now and we do the same. is there any time we will start negotiating with people? , yourd the prior caller man who worked for kissinger, who has a long list of crimes he committed, i would just like to know -- i would like piece of people and negotiations. wayre going the opposite

and i believe this man is part of the reason we are doing that. guest: well, first, i think kissinger did a lot of things wrong, too. i was a democrat in his office and he tried to have balance and i think it was admirable. host: you worked in his private office and not service sector. guest: that is right. i served in the clinton administration and the think the policies of the clinton administration are closer to my own. , negotiation is preferable. in iraqy, what we did was appalling and indefensible and i would only encourage this guy to read what i have written because i have attacked as vehemently as possible. i attacked the use of drones and discriminate lee. i worry about automated militaries that have rich countries invading poor countries without shedding rich

countries blood and i worry about consequences. i worry about morality of what we have done. by all means, let's find peaceful avenues for resolving problems if that is possible. having said that, let's do that from a position of strength. that is what enables the united states to maintain the path since the second world war. they are enemies out there and i think they need to know that they will not be able to continue unchecked and that we will use international law, and when there is a direct threat to us or our allies, we will act in defense of ourselves and allies. that has been the core of american foreign-policy since the end of the second world war and has worked efficiently welfare us. we made mistakes, yes, all countries make mistakes, but the best thing about the united states is we have a system to air out differences and we can move toward undoing the mistakes

and be better in the future and that is what i hope we can continue to do. host: the general question in a complex world, but what will president trump inherit in terms of what the obama administration will be leaving behind? guest: i think you have to sort of take each region in succession. the middle east is a mess. iraq will be unresolved. afghanistan will be in turmoil. some of our key allies, egypt unsettled, turkey unsettled. russia is making inroads into the region, not just in syria makingh turkey through initiatives with regard to egypt, even talking about basis. the balance of power is changing. trump is concerned about the iran deal. he has to be careful on how to handle that because of the balance of power in the region is at play. many of our allies are nervous

and don't know where he will go. being assertive in the south and east china sea and he has to deal with that. north korea will test him. a wildcard ands extremely dangerous, another problem. i think the key to counterbalance is stressful and we have not mentioned global warming, a mass effect two discounts altogether. is rebuildingy alliances and reimagining them for the 21st century. whetherwe have to see they ascribe to the unilateral policies of the changed wing of the republican party voiced their more and the george h.w. bush link of the republican party, and might seek to build alliances. strength in america,

i hope for the latter. int: let's go to willie michigan, independent line. good morning. go ahead. yes, my concern is about the media. that talkss annoyed are both sides of their mouths. a lot of people do not understand when they bring people on their show, and these people say things that are not true or not real and the commentator who is talking to this person never says anything or having aght, different opinion. i think this is wrong. -- ink the media has done think they have to a lot of harm to the united states host:.

thank you. we have media coverage of both sides of all sides. guest: what do we mean by the media? there are hundreds and thousands of choices. there is right-wing, locks, so forth, left wing, msnbc and some of those. there are some that have tried to be more the centric. the massive amount of stuff on the web. i think listeners and viewers need to think carefully. we have not had sufficient appreciation for the facts. we have misunderstood what objectivity means. if you're coming candidates like trump, it is not objective to say he is like any other candidate and i will treat him like any other, it is not. objectivity requires to focus on facts, and without prejudice and report them as you see them. if the candidate is unqualified for using hateful approaches or

if the candidate is plain footsie with some foreign power that is dangerous to the united states, you have to report that. if that makes the candidate different from any other candidate that existed, you have to say, this is different from history. media failed to do that. when you look at the close margin of the election, we will have a huge amount of dialogue with what tipped the election the way it did. hillary clinton? trump's genius? people disgusted with washington? wikileaks? russians? that african-americans did not vote for hillary the way they voted for obama question mark that the rust belt is changing? all of those are potentially right. right, also, the media gave hundreds and millions of dollars for coverage to donald trump, treating him like a legitimate candidate and like what he did was not

reprehensible and not challenging him and allowing him to have this stage where they do not allow others to have the stage and then had to make a difference. margaret thatcher and ronald reagan had a close relationship and tony blair and obama had a close relationship. to do you imagine filling that role in the trump white house? guest: we don't have any track record for trump. he might come close to theresa may. there has been an emerging group overseas. he seems to have fondness for vladimir putin. bill clinton also had a fondness for [indiscernible] , not unprecedented in u.s. history. we will have to wait and see, as on everything with donald trump and foreign policy because he really is a tapley lasso. no experience, no direction in which you will go.

one thing we might end up with, which is a little bit perhaps unexpected is that trump might see the unilateralism of the republican party and the lack of a desire to get involved overseas of obama. he might combine the least good qualities of the last administration's surprise us all. we can only hope. host: the book "national insecurity: page of leadership " david rothkopf thank you for stopping by. in case you missed it, here is how "saturday night live" began the program. [video clip] ♪ ["hallelujah"]

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>> next, "newsmakers" with indiana congressman, chair of the republican policy committee, luke messer and in the victory speech by president elect donald trump and the concession speech by hillary clinton. this week on "newsmakers," joined by the chairman of the house of republican policy committee, luke messer of indiana. thank you. neuhauser, adaniel reporter, and mike, congressional reporter with "the washington post." mike, you go first. mike: thank you for joining us. we are two days or three days down from the american voters making a