[captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] president obama and president-elect donald trump met for transition talks at the white house thursday. but obama says his number one priority was to have a successful transition. it was the first time the two men met face-to-face. president-elect trump said he looks for to working with president obama. they post briefly for photos -- they posed briefly for photos. just have thea: i opportunity to have a conversation with president-elect trump. it was wide-ranging. we talked about some of the organizational issues and setting up the white house. to foreign policy, domestic policy, and as i said last night, my number one priority in the coming two months is to try to facilitate a transition that

ensures our president-elect is successful. have been very encouraged by the interest in president-elect 's wanting to work with my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. and i believe that it is important for all of us, regardless of party, and regardless of preferences, to now come together, work together, and deal with the many challenges we face. in the meantime, michelle has had a chance to greet the incoming first lady, and we had an excellent conversation with her as well. and we want to make sure that they feel welcomed as they

prepare to make this transition. most of all, i want to emphasize president-elect, to doe now are going everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. much,ump: february president obama -- thank you very much come up president obama. we had never met each other. i have great respect and the meeting lasted for almost an hour and a half. it could have gone for a lot longer. a lot of different situations, some wonderful, and some difficulties. i very much look forward to dealing with the president and the future including counsel.

-- he explained some of the difficulties and some of the highflying assets, and some of the really great things that i've been achieved. mr. president, it was a great honor being with you and i look or to be with you many, many more times. thank you so much. . president obama: thank you, everybody. we are not going to be taking any questions. thank you, everybody. guys.n, come on, guys. let's go. mr. trump: very good man. president obama: i appreciate you. >> thank you, guys. trumpsident-elect donald and his wife and vice president-elect mike pence visited the capital thursday for meetings with house speaker paul

ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. following his meeting with senator mcconnell, the president-elect spoke briefly to reporters. reaction? your mr. trump: really, really beautiful. thank you. >> mr. president-elect, what is your first priority day one? what will it eject the

mr. trump: dealing with immigration, looking strongly at health care, and looking at jobs. the main thing is jobs. [indiscernible] >> republican donald trump is elected as the next president of the united states. and the nation and lets a republican controlled u.s. house and senate. follow the transition of government on c-span. we will take you to events as they happen without interruption.

watch live on c-span. what on demand at www.c-span.org , or listen on our free c-span radio app. >> now, some of the conversations from the sunday news shows. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani on president-elect trump's the plan to avoid possible conflicts of interests of his businesses while in office. >> what you think president-elect trump should do to assure people that there will not mingling of his businesses and governmental duties given the fact that his children will be running it as part of the transition? be that oncewould he enters office, there should be a separation of blind trust or some kind of blind trust. it is different in the case of a president. they have a lot more leeway in the way they can fashion it. for the good of the country and

the fact that you don't want to coming up every time a decision is made, he should take himself out of it. he should be a passive participant in the sense that he has no involvement and no decisions -- and those decisions get made separately from him. assessment of what went wrong -- an assessment of what went wrong in the clinton campaign. >> my colleagues across the are very smart people. but they misread america. red did not have her in states. you covered it like it was gospel. had the election results before election day.

she had good early election, but horrible on election day. i just want to say about him, he has put out an agenda everyone can see and talked about what his replacement of obamacare would be, his plan to defeat terrorism. he will create jobs and years, -- >> clinton blamed james comey on her loss. do you think it had some help to your candidacy? >> i think it is unfortunate that hillary clinton, with enormous gets and talents, i just cannot believe it is always somebody else's fault. sometimes you have to take a look an american reflect on what went wrong. we saw the post tightening

before the comey announcement. recognize the fact that 40 million people have already voted. they were quoted that every weekend, chuck, as saying, if are ready decided. people already incorporated the email scandal into their voting decisions. now they are going back saying that he had an impact. what about the fact they just got it wrong? what about the fact that they were not in touch with americans? >> the future of the democratic party, by vermont senator bernie sanders who appeared on a phoenician, and minnesota congressman keith ellison considering a run for the chair the democratic national committee. we will begin with congressman ellison. >> been talking to a lot of of the basic organizers base level of members of congress, labor leaders in all types of folks, and i will do my

good part. i will let my decision be known soon enough. the real question is not what one person is going to do, what are we all going to do, pitch in and fix this party and make working america know the democratic party is absolutely on their side? --let's talk think to both your state, minnesota, you saw the counties that flipped obama to trump, michigan, there were obama 12 voters who voted trump. it is clear it was an economic message they were trying to send. how did this happen? >> well, i think people have been looking at 40 years of flat wages. the reality is, you got folks in diners and here shops and barbershops, all over this country that look at their own lives and say, my parents did kids may not do

as much better. they feel like there are two systems of justice. wells fargo, you have this scandal, but the ceo leaves with a big, giant package. other folks get in a whole lot of trouble doing a lot less. the truth is, we have got to make america worker working people again and have a shared prosperity. we have to make that our job number one. four minimum wage measures succeeded thursday. people want a better economic playing field for workers. our job is to make sure that the democratic party is a party that will deliver for them. >> how do you read their election -- had you read the election results? was it a victory for donald trump? >> it was both. trump has very, very good

instincts, which many democrats do not. if you are an average american out there making $40,000 a year, you are working longer hours for lower wages. the top 1%. you are seeing your jobs going to china. you cannot by the medicine you need. you're worried to death about the future generations. trump tapped that anger. our job is to find out what is the solution? is getting hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 2/10 of 1% will be the answer to income equality? i don't think so. for trump to produce. we will not accept racism, sexism, or xenophobia.

>> on newsmakers, indiana congressman luke messer, talks congress, gop leadership elections, the lame session, and working with the trump administration. eastern onat 6:00 c-span. >> fort knox was chosen because it was america passed a most impenetrable location. it was the depository and had been opened several years prior. there had been lots of gold already there. givesary of the treasure permission to use a portion of it. q&a, and author talks about the decision to move america's most important documents to fort knox. they have to make a decision, what documents are going to be there? the original declaration?

definitely. the articles of confederation pre-constitution? for sure. the gettysburg address considered critical goes. he makes the decision very methodically on what is going to go to fort knox. these are considered the most valuable documents in the country. the magna carta is a document that he has been asked to preserve for the brits. >> tonight, on q&a. cq roll call hosted a daylong conference thursday analyzing the 2016 election results, and the impact on health care, immigration, and other domestic policy issues. this portion includes a preview of the next administration and the congressional agenda. it is 45 minutes. good afternoon, everyone. great to have you here. tohave an excellent panel

discuss, in some ways, one of the least prepared presidential candidates. he is making the rounds preparing for the transition and our thoughts are obviously on how he can turn his promises into policy. area since so much of this campaign was about character and trustworthiness. maybe we can put some flesh on the bones of this excellent panel. joining me, to my immediate policy,ce president of gary jackson, managing director of the lindsay group, to his , and down on the end, brian. before. us were talking there is something that donald trump put out called the contract with the american

voter. there is some interesting similarities. it is a sheet that talks about unilateral things that a president can do in some legislative things. there are curious parallels with the contract with america, which you have some familiarity with. >> in 1994, i served as the director of the contract. 1994, itthink back on was not a presidential election, but under newt gingrich, the house republicans, the 20 or so of them crazy enough to think the republicans could take the house, decided you needed something to put forward to say this is how we are going to act. this was before tweeters and facebooks and the internet. there was an insert in the tv guide. the 10 things we are going to do. and hold us to account to this.

and there was legislative language. we weresenate guys but crazy because there was no way we were ever going to win. the white house to get as a big joke. it was not well known around the country, but what it did all of a sudden, republicans grabbed washington, and that agenda became the agenda of washington. there was this moment that president clinton had to remind the country, hey, i am still resident and still relevant in the process. at the end of the day, the vast majority, more than 80% of the contract past into law in some form or another. so, for washington, the most important thing to be looking at about what the new president's and thest will be focus is right there in plain type, black and white. it is the contract with the american people. >> the point was made and i would like to get everyone

involved, you cannot underestimate the power of a new president in setting the agenda . the big twist is if the new president is if he does what he wants to do or does what the american people want him to do and the order it comes in. what is your guests on what happens when donald trump comes in and what he wants to do? >> i will answer. everybody is underestimating exactly how many are at the table right now. although donald trump is new to d.c., he is certainly an executive and knows how to manage things. yes mike pence, an incredibly qualified vice president with a deep amount of relationships and experience. as advisors, you have newt gingrich, who has managed a 100 day agenda before. from all content, looks to be managing this transition and

glove working hand in with ed, which gives him the entire operation of heritage. , experienceetwork in staff there. foreign go through leadership, you have paul ryan, who may not have the most leadership experience, but he is a staffer at heart and an incredible staffer any -- staffer and he never really stopped being a staffer. when you take off the mantle of leadership of him and let him anew for as a staffer, the guy who implements in -- the guy who implements an agenda, he will that the mold perfectly. and you have mitch mcconnell, who is a master of the dark arts of negotiation. [laughter]

understands, not just big picture politics, but the small picture politics of what motivates an individual senator to make an individual decision. teamnk you have an amazing that accidentally, intentionally is in place to move very quickly. and i think we are all forgetting the thousands of staffers who are going to fill the administration, and where they are going to come from. and we will see, but my guess is that they will come from d.c. and the house and senate. >> i think you are right on that. there is no where else for them to come from. how much overlap is there really between the agenda that the establishment republicans have who have been here for a very long time, the agenda that president trump has, and the agenda of the people who voted for him?

i have heard him say over and over again on the campaign trail inngs that are absolutely opposition to what many of the folks that you just named think we should do it with this country -- think we should do with this country. if he decides to lock arms with the establishment republicans in the sea, i am not sure -- in d. c., i am not sure that the voters were asking for that. for change andg not the same establishment folks from the past. >> yes, there is a great deal of talent and the republican party and a great deal of experience, but the question is what kind of relationship is president trump form with these people? he just went through a campaign where for almost an entire year, he was at war with much of the republican party. warcombination of being at

with your own party and with all of the experienced people in it, and the combination of being a little bit used to doing whatever you want to do without by thestraints imposed constitution of separation of powers, i think it has a lot of people wondering how will president trump react to this? himself indent finds a weird situation where all of a sudden, the world seems to revolve around them. and their result of the trappings of power. there are the two fighter planes that accompany your jets everywhere, all the military, etc. at the end of the day, you have to big, borrow, and plead for your agenda, even with, as many presidents have discovered, even with the relatively friendly congress. and so, i think this is a question, not really about is the talent there?

this is a question about what does donald trump do in the transition from a business executive to a political executive? they are two very different things. >> let me just, on that. -- let me just comment on that. a writer made a really important observation about that. tohington, however you want describe the establishment, left and right, and the infrastructure, it took donald trump literally, but never took him seriously. trump voters and conservatives took trump seriously and never literally. god, theon that, oh my trouble be at were with the establishment, is just not true. donald trump has proposed tax

reform that is just right down the line with what the doctorate of thinking on the republican side. education that goes with the republican side. he is talked about infrastructure and public/private partnership. military, ba, there is not that big of a difference. there is a style difference. especially when you're in the opposition, you can think bitter thoughts of where things go, but the first 100 days is critical. the power of the president in the first 100 days is enormous. pick, -- the things you president obama picked health care. he picked a stimulus package which could have had wide bipartisan support, and chose to not work with republicans on it. donald trump, i think, will surprise people and there will be democrats who will understand

what this election meant, and realize, i got to be a part of this and little bit because after all, if you are a member of congress, generally speaking, and i don't say this in a disparaging way, your first priority is to be reelected. it would be really difficult to stand up in most districts in this country and say, yeah, we don't care what the voters just said. we are just going to keep on this path that we had been on for the last 10 years. >> you just listed a list of very conventional republican themes, which i think you would get democratic support for as well. the things that donald trump campaigned on had to deal with a rather radical approach immigration. and a radical, radical approach to mexico and to illegal immigrants. now, i would think that his voters will be looking to see in his first 100 days, what does he

do about that? how many people does he deport in his first 100 days? and how much of that walt gets built in the first 100 days? said.n, that is what he >> literal, seriously. this morning, the canadian ambassador came out and said, we are happy to talk about renegotiating nafta. and immigration, and i did this when i was in the white house, i am not going to say it is not hard, but the components of it are the same. you got to do something about border security. saying i'm going to build a wall, you can take it literally, or you can take it seriously, just like the obama team did and the bush team did. how do you secure the border? if you are talking about what you are going to do, the fact is, there are 13 million, or whatever the number is, you have to figure out a way on how to

handle this. nobody believes your going to round up 13 million people. it is a wonderful hyperbole. gets msnbc feeling all good about themselves, but it is just not realistic. >> one other thing i think many trump voters expect him to deliver on is the supreme court. there is absolutely no question that a big portion of the evangelical community, the socials conservative community a comfortable with him, decided to hold their nose and pull the lever because they wanted another antonin scalia a on the court. who is trump's tina many? -- who is trump's nominee? -- if he nominates , you willabout how

have a palm the 48 democrats on the senate and not have a lot of old saying let's talk about tax reform or other things if that is have you start out your presidency. >> how much does that suck the air out of the room? how much pressure does he put on leader mcconnell to perhaps himge senate rules to make -- to make a nomination more accommodating? >> you can look at the first 100 days and they have three different speeds. the first is what president-elect trump do by executive order? that can move insanely fast. i think that will be a very active first week, first two weeks of the administration. and to the point that i would not be surprised if demodulation festivities -- if the anon inaugurationf the

festivities don't go through. the next fact is the house, the implementer of the president's agenda. there is a lot of overlap. repeal of aca, or repeal of trump's version of aca, some could be done administratively, some legislatively. that keeps the party united. education keeps the party united. i think you can move a budget bill earlier than you typically move a budget bill and get reconciliation. that most very quickly. then you have the slower track, which is the senate. the senate will be slower for a lot of reasons. it will be slower because it is the senate. it will be slower because they have to appoint all of these nominees. in the supreme court will happen in the first 100 days. i think it is less of a what trump does -- ok, who he

will survey change things, but it is how the democrats react. to it it will be their first task. i cannot imagine mcconnell will change the rule unless he feels the democrats are forcing him to change the rules. if that happens, then that changes the way we look at the second 100 days, third 100 days and everything forward. it will be a cap later risk the democrats make on how hard to push. it will be a calculated risk on how trump -- it will be a cap later risk on how far trump wants to go. do we throw down the dice or keep on going? >> that focus on the aca. days, they are0 going to draw up a piece of --islation that would

legislation and repeals the aca. people will discover, their pieces about the bill that people really liked. they light that an insurance company -- they liked that an insurance company could not turn you down for a pre-existing condition. the minute that congress hears from its constituents and pulling things out from the repeal they like, the next step is that the insurance companies are going to go ballistic. many of the insurance companies that supported republicans are going to go crazy because after all, the deal that held that together was insurance companies inld take more sick people return for getting a bigger market because of the subsidies in the aca. this is not a simple, i can repeal it. there are many complicated steps ahead. i like to quote president bill clinton.

he said, of the presidency, they elect you to look down the street and around the corner. i think that is the hardest thing about the job. i think president-elect trump, toany president, fines that be the most rushing part of the job. >> i will quote president obama. i have a pen and a phone. it if you live by that, you will die by that. you don't pass a piece of legislation or right away -- you don't pass a piece of legislature by the way. if we are being intellectually honest and not mimicking talking points, what the no on the democrat side and republican side is from the time aca was first put into law. there were obvious problems with you neededybody knew technical fixes or whatever.

there was a political decision made not to go to congress because we do not want to risk losing anything we thought we won. the cost of that is every phone call and every action they took is now gone. so the collapse of aca has brought on how the obama administration decided to implement. -- i have notened heard of a single republican that said, we have to repeal pre-existing conditions. none of them have said that. >> right, that is the point. the minute you let that stay, but you appeal all the other subsidies that constitute obamacare, you got an insurance industry in row crisis. >> this is a very mature debate. this is a debate that congress and ways and beans and energy of commerce, and health, and

finance -- [laughter] they had been having this debate for years. since before it became a law, then when it became a lot and certainly after that. republicans have been made fun of trying to repeal it 45 times. within that process, you do have paul ryan's a better way in the househers and senate who have laid forward either whole chunks of what a replacement would look like, or small segments would look like. believe me, i am a lobbyist 90 pay to do this. the insurance companies have been lobbying for changes since he got started. bill not like that repeal will be like my god, they are going to do this! it is a mature debate. . there are mature thoughts out there. this is not going to shock any

of the stakeholders. it may shock the american people. it is not going to shock washington d.c. >> the point being there are two steps to this. you can repeal using reconciliation, but there has to be something that steps in because you will have the political problem of taking away coverage for millions of people, /or spend huge sums to stay into the market. is this something that plays out in two acts? what you think? >> yeah. we came up with this idea of one step closer to single-payer with aca. it is not working. clearly not working. have most of the major insurance company saying, we are out of here. even before the election, we are out of. the notion that there is some snap six, what brian was dropping hints of it, was ludicrous.

you are going to start with things in the executive orders on day one. or whatever its will be, then you will frame up. without that, what are the key things? , you aree rhetoric going to throw 43 people out of the health insurance and block, blah, blah. what is the real problem here? >> i want to go back to setting aside the nonsense. you say there will be an easy way to pass a budget quickly. i am not sure if that is true. there are a lot of people either sitting in the capital, who are republicans, who democrats will stand up and filibuster. we have seen on the defense bill that came out of the house, we overturnter that will

several things that president obama did and make sure that they were not discriminated against. that is going to continue to be a debate. some of trump says he supports those kinds of things that supports the first amendment defense act. i don't think 48 democrats are going to let that happen. a budget writer about defunding planned parenthood, which again donald trump has promised that he will support, that is not something that you can get with 52 folks in the senate. you need to do a lot better than 52 to get most things done. there are a lot of democrats who are feeling very united right now. we know what we are up against. there is a lot of unity around standing up to protect people who donald trump's campaign rhetoric through under the bus. >> let's go to the question that confronts every republican president who is elected and people like speaker gingrich,

when republicans have power. the republicans have been in charge, with summer hilarity, since 1994. if the government any smaller than it was? no, guys. it is not. it spends more money and it has more people because the bottom line is even the republican party, when they sit down to do a budget, cannot shrink the government. they have not been able to do it. point, boehner, at one $2 trillion cut, the largest in single dollar terms. >> and it has been progressively put back because every time the republicans do these across-the-board -- doing --re >> no, reality sets in. reality is tsa at the airports

causing mammoth chaos. guess what? they put back the money. the reality is soldiers needing things and guess what? they put back the money. republicans have failed time and time again for 30 years at their own goal of cutting the federal government. -- take a step back. there are you about appropriations -- we are arguing about appropriations appropriations are not going to happen within the 1 --are not going to happen within the first 100 days. they will probably not happen within the lame-duck. it is a partisan document that does not need the support of a single democrat. we get have something with 100 different those that are probably horrible. in the end, at the republican party says we want a budget, the republican party will get a budget. in the budget is most likely reconciliation structures. that is the real reason that

that budget document moves. it won't have a say -- it will give you -- it will tell you where folks are going to be, but that is a debate that will happen several wars later. is to getrst reconciliation and the reason they went reconciliation is to go after aca to maybe do taxes if they can. infrastructure bill that everybody seems to talk about is also dependent on this budget. the budget itself, it can move very fast. and i actually think the democrats will participate in that debate actively. --ause it is right orless writerless.is righ >> they can i get on the same page. there was a civil war over the budget. it is a total reset button next

year. what road do you think those 40 some members to go? >> washington is having a hard time wrapping their head around president trump. the freedom caucus all of a sudden, their ability to be some kind of lead voice is just great we diminished. remember this -- even two weeks ago, people were still, oh you know, speaker ryan probably lose 15-20. there only six seats largely because of an individual issue of redistricting. there are -- that is a very powerful message to house republicans. we had a chance here. and it does not mean that the freedom caucus goes away or they want going from their principles, but just as brian is outlining, the first aims to come out of the gator unifying issues for house incident republicans.

everybody will want to be a part of a winning team. >> much of the divide, there is a misunderstanding in d.c. on how republicans are split. there is a major policy difference between establishment and freedom caucus republicans. i think there is a split on immigration. there are freedom caucus members for immigration and some against it. most of the split in the republican party if you go from leadership and move down the , most of thatght split is on strategy. it is a split that says the for the right to go, you don't want to cut a deal period. dealal is better than any that gives the democrats a thing.

the closer you get to leadership, the closer you are to, i am willing to deal, i am willing to let the democrats get a little wind so i get a little wind. now that you have trump saying this is our strategy, which i think he will say, that divide goes away. there will be the republicans -- there will be republicans that you lose. charlie dent will certainly disagree with ted cruz. strategically, republicans are going to be united and that takes away a lot of what has been misinterpreted as a divide. >> i think that is only true if you are talking about aca and maybe taxes. when you go to issues like trade, there is a huge, mammoth split in the republican party, and on the democratic side about

trade and whether we participate in a global world, whether we globalmove into the economy or put the toothpaste back in the tube and go backwards. that is a real divide i don't think you can explain away. there are things that trump has said on the campaign trail most republicans would stand up against, including -- i think he talks a lot about money in politics. we did focus groups with swing voters. that is the thing they said about him. they said, he cannot be and sold. he is the person who buys people. he cannot be bought and sold. having a government reform agenda that flies in the face of everything mitch mcconnell has ever stood for -- if you look at his higher ed proposals he was to give more generous loan fixes to students than obama did. he was to spend more money on doing income-based repayment and loan forgiveness than obama ever did. that very much lies in the face

of what republicans would want to see on the hill. he has taken in stews -- institutions on in higher red, saying we need to do something .bout entitlements that is something lamar alexander is definitely not interested in. there are issues passed to be aca, you cannot mask the disagreement within the republican party. >> this is literally versus knows why-- the guy he won. he knows who those voters are. i'm pretty sure there are not all of them wrapped up in dark money. let's say economic growth. that is why they elected barack obama. get us out of a war and get us economic growth. they got neither. barry: -- lanae: