president obama and the future of the democratic party. a look at what to expect from a thep residency and republican-controlled congress from the ethics at public policy center. -- and public policy center. ♪ host: good morning. it is sunday, november 27. yesterday the general counsel for hillary clinton's campaign confirmed that her team would join the wisconsin recount initiated by jill stein. has athe clinton campaign knowledge that the recount is not likely to change the outcome of the race, they also said they want to rule out any possibility of outside interference in the election. " that has been blasted by donald trump and his supporters by the actions of a sore loser. this morning we want to hear what you think. should the clinton campaign

joined the wisconsin and potential he other recount efforts -- potentially other recount efforts? democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001 independents (202) 748-8002. you can also catch up with us on social media. on twitter @cspanwj. a good sunday morning to you. we begin with this question to our viewers. shut the clinton campaign participate in the recount? that is taking place in wisconsin. the headline, clinton campaign joins the wisconsin recount. noting the possibility of outside interference in the election is being explored. this has been picked up this morning. this is from "the new york clintonoting that

lawyers say evidence of hacking remains elusive. that is the clinton teams general counsel, and he wrote a post yesterday on the website medium explaining the reasons the clinton campaign is participating in this recount, that was initiated by the jill stein campaign, the green party candidate for president. "because we have not uncovered any evidence of hacking or outside attempts to influence the election, we had not planned to exercise the option, but now we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sites. if jill stein has followed in michigan and pennsylvania, we will take the same approach in those states. we do so aware that the number of votes separating donald trump and hillary clinton exceeds the

--gest margin ever overcome exceeds the margin ever overcome in a recount. monitor the recount process we will be on the ground. we believe we have an obligation to the 64 million americans who cast ballots for hillary clinton to participate and ensure that an accurate vote cap will be reported." this news is coming out over this holiday weekend. the certification process underway in many of the states before the electoral votes. these recount efforts have to take place very quickly. we will go over the timelines. your calls. james in which a -- washington. a democrat. caller: good morning. the election was rigged.

supporters were doing. they were using reverse psychology. it was only a few states they had to change the results. i am a computer expert. machines can be changed because they run off of a wireless router. donald trump steam, what they actually did is the reason they said the election was rigged and there were not accept the results. these were all republican governors and secretaries of state. it happened before. it was a machine programmed by a man and it can be manipulated. guest: -- host: it sounds like you are blaming the trump campaign. about outside influence and outside hackers outside the united states.

caller: not outside the united states. these were inside. they changed the results that were reported. this is what actually happened. host: we will go to mike in maryland. republican. go ahead. caller: i just wanted to remind everybody that on november 15, hillary clinton's speech, she said not excepting the outcome of the election was a direct threat to our democracy. i am wondering why she -- host: you're talking about her comments in october. caller: yes. host: joe in florida. good morning. caller: absolutely they need to recount. the republicans cheat always. they don't care if they cheat. they only care if they win. host: we're taking your calls for the first 45 minutes on this question.

should the clinton campaign participate in this recount effort? republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002 . tweets about this from dr. jill stein, the green party candidate that has initiated this recount effort and is funding this effort. she wrote on her twitter page yesterday, "has anyone wondered why no other campaign requested a recount with so many questionable results? experts pointed us to these three states." to exploring any state if deadlines permit." " why would hillary clinton who conceded the election want a recount in 2016? you cannot be on again off again about democracy"

donald trump wrote, "the green party scam to fill up their coffers is being joined now by the badly defeated and demoralized democrats." he put out a polar statement yesterday. "the people have spoken, the election is over. as hillary clinton set herself on election night, we must accept the results and look to the future. this recount is just a way for jill stein who received less than 1% of the vote overall to fill her coffers with money." all three states were won by large numbers of voters, bynsylvania was won $70,000. results of this election should be respected

instead of being challenged and abused, which is exactly what jill stein is doing. matt, democrat. what do you think about this recount effort? caller: yes. good morning. i am all for this. it is about time. you talk about people crying out. if donald trump has nothing to fear with a recount, why not? want is a quickly is what i think the democrats should push for is unbinding the electors to the electoral college in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan and have been cast votes for hillary instead of donald trump. she won the popular vote by 2 million. these electors are not legally bound to vote for whoever won the popular vote in those days. to me it is ridiculous that

these three states in the electoral college elect a president who got 2 million less votes than hillary. is this democracy? notes,s the l.a. times the electors will cast their ballots on december 19. frank is in virginia. republican. what do you think about this recount effort? caller: i think the main problem with jill stein and hillary clinton and john podesta and brazile is that they are losers and idiots. if anything needs to be checked is california and new york to see the crooked part of the selection. i help the democrats keep nancy pelosi as the leader in congress because she will get rid of a few more secrets for us. you set up our question at the end of our show today. we will be asking just democrats

whether nancy pelosi should remain house minority leader. she is being challenged in that election for the leadership taking place this week among house democrats. we will talk about that in the last 45 minutes of the program today. participate in this recount effort? independent in indiana. go ahead. caller: my beliefs are -- what thing, the third-party you know will not get to 5% for federal support to move on as a party. you should drop out and concede the race so you are not a spoiler. if you are a spoiler, the least arecan do is -- when there irregularities. when you look at michigan when trump.won by

you look at wisconsin, decided by about 27,000 votes. she got more than that. have a little bit of responsibility there because 60 -- youfore election cannot really change the ballot. should hillary clinton participate? yes, because even in indiana where i am from, you look at reportednty, the polls the biggest turnout in 16 years lesset the results show 5% participation by population. you see the same thing in west lafayette. you see the same thing in marion county. i'm not saying she would have

flipped the state for donald trump, but there are irregularities. unless you have the paper ballots and you have an optical scan so you have a popular record, then we should have audits that are routine. host: that is indiana. here are more on the numbers and how the process works. andld trump won 1,000,004 votes,-- 1.4 million hillary but it had 1.3 million votes. byl stein has the file monday for a recount in pennsylvania. the results in that state are not technically certified until

monday. the new york times in their story noting who is paying for this and who is not. the clinton campaign will not contribute financially to the effort, which has been funded by small contributions, but it will pay to have its own lawyers present at the recount according to campaign officials. bloomberg notes that donald trump will have a campaign official overseeing this process as well. on fridaynald mcgann, he was selected as white house counsel. he will be the point person on the wisconsin recount for the republicans. he joined senior staff on briefings regarding the latest development. here is a story from cbs news about him when he was appointed white house counsel. the story noting that he was general counsel to donald trump's campaign and he has worked on the transition

process. he is currently a partner in washington dc specializing in political law and a former sec mission german -- commission chairman. democrat.k, go ahead. caller: good morning. here's my comment. yes, she should participate in this. i would like the republicans, especially republicans loyal to our constitution to listen to what i'm going to say next. she should participate because this campaign was wrapped in hatred and violence. as we have seen in washington, d.c., distinct evidence of nazi imagery and ideology. we should keep our eyes open on that. that is why i think we should have this recount. host: what about the concern by some republicans that this is

not helping in the healing process from all of that anger and that conflict you were just talking about from the election, that this only continues that for days or weeks or however long this process takes, that for the country to come together they shouldn't move on and accept the results? caller: that extremism, not see extremism is not a moderate form of ideology. that is exactly what has been expressed in the rallies and in washington. every one of those 200 people gets 10 people to follow them, that is 2000. those 2000, that's another three or four people, you can do the math. you have to look at that and examine and discuss it in public discourse. host: republican in indiana. caller: [inaudible] spencer?t is that,

you have to stay on the line. we will go to corey in pennsylvania. independent. go ahead. caller: i have said it before, and i will say it again. i would not believe anything hillary clinton had to say. i would not believe are if she stood up on a sack of bibles. tell her to go retire in that mansion she built herself out of everybody's sweat and tears in guatemala. old hold billy with her -- billy with her. host: dorothy in connecticut go ahead. caller: my answer is yes. can you hear me? host: go ahead. caller: she should participate. that is one big flaw that the democratic party has. voters are not encouraged to

come out in great numbers because they have no spine. they will not stand up. here is a woman who will not stand up for herself? how can she stand up for anybody else? another thing i would like to to is that she agreed not contest the election, but that is provided it was fair. donald trump known for blaming the democrats for what they are doing, that reverse psychology, is exactly what they are doing. there is too much discrepancy in the voting and how the electoral college -- you know, how the votes were just so close and all of the main places. no. there is something wrong. if the democrats don't stand up to this, they won't be -- you know, they just going to destroy the party because republicans

are out thinking them, and they they areng as if dealing with people who have character and ethics. they have none. they are racists and oligarchs and hatemongers. kellyanne conway, donald trump's campaign manager, said a statement yesterday. this is from the bloomberg story about it. "what a pack of sore losers, after asking donald trump and his team will he accept the election results, it turns out hillary and their new bff jill stein cannot accept reality rather than adhere to the tradition of graciously conceding, they have opted to waste millions of dollars and dismiss the democratic process. the people have spoken." here is what some viewers wrote

on twitter. "maybe they should ask hillary if she would respect the count?" " of course all the votes were for hillary." "if hillary wants to be further humiliated, we should go for it." one more comment from michael, in herd, "jill stein is glory, she gets to be the center of attention." your thoughts on twitter and facebook. you can also call in like thomas, an independent. good morning. are you with us? there you go. sorry. had to hit the button. caller: i just wanted to say election is really not about hillary or donald trump. it is about the people. how do you get 2 million voters that it is just like they never even voted?

they voted for hillary, yet the underdog, donald trump wins the election. it is not make sense. -- it does not make sense. host: brenda in arizona, go ahead. caller: i am in arkansas. it starts with the same letter. absolutely has a right to ask for a recount. is none has said there chance, but if she wants to do that, that is fine. she needs to think about this. 900 stateicans took legislator seats. 60 house seats. 14 governors, and 11 senate seats. if the democrats had done this and donald trump won, i would say maybe something was going on. this was ridiculous. it was a sweep. donald trump was a whole movement.

people were sick of this. they were sick of the media and the people on television, including c-span, who i love. everybody was biased against donald trump. they were tired of it. they make him out to be something he is not. he is not racist or anti-jewish. his daughter and grandchildren and son-in-law are jewish. why would he dislike jewish people? hillary lost. she was a hateful person. she had no personality. donald trump brought it and brought the people run. he worked like a dog. he did 20 or 30 a week rallies. -- hillary was a bit. saw that.orkers they did not want someone who just expected them to vote for them. those 2 million votes were probably from illegal, all from california.

obama even encouraged the illegals to vote. maybe we ought to recount california. thank you for letting me have my say even though my family will stop talking to me now. brenda pointed out, it would take a lot more than a wisconsin recount to overturn the results of the election as new york magazine points out when they started talking about this last weekend. article started a lot of this discussion in many of the political circles where this has been discussed. they pointed out it would take along with wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. only then would the math workout in a scenario where hillary clinton would have more electoral votes than donald trump. that story from last week.

this is november 22. noted that hillary clinton was being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists to call for the recount in those three swing states that were won by donald trump. the jill stein campaign is actually initiating this recount. the hillary clinton campaign participating in the process. granite city, illinois, a democrat. good morning. go ahead. caller: thank you very much. i think that it is fair for hillary clinton to have a recount. i voted in granite city. i have not seen anything like it before where you have had to go to a poll and have two ids. you also have to have a drivers license and a state id. most people do not have two. they cannot afford them. i wanted to point out that in --

i was there. there were a lot of ballots laying on the ground. voting ballots. been blowing in the wind. mexicana predominantly community. thank you very much. host: that is illinois. politico in their story notes that the white house is insisting that hackers did not sway the results of the election even as the results -- recount begins. the obama administration saying they have seen no evidence of election tampering. "we stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the american people." that is according to a senior administration official.

that official said that the federal government did not observe any increased level of malicious cyber activity aimed at disrupting the electoral process on election day. our elections were free and fair from a cyber security perspective." randall, kansas, republican. it. -- go ahead. caller: hi believe this smacks of -- i believe this smacks of al gore in 2000. they demanded recount and recount and recount. hillary clinton needs to accept it. she said she would accept the recount, and now she says, well i want a recount. i think she just needs to let it go.

she had a good campaign. i did not vote for her. she had a good message. she fell. she just needs to move on. in my opinion. that is all i have to say about it. thank you. host: vivienne on twitter says " the recount will help in the healing process when it confirms that donald trump won." "how is it that democrats were so shellacked across the board and hillary actually one wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania?" talking about the states that have been the talk of this recount. as we noted, the clinton campaign said they would treat any efforts in michigan and pennsylvania the same way they are treating wisconsin, participating in that process. arlene, miami, florida, democrat. go ahead. caller: i believe that hillary

clinton should participate, but she should stand back and let jill stein take the lead in this is hillary should still be campaigning to the electorate. are still note aware that it is the electoral vote that chooses the presence and not the popular vote. she already won by 2 million votes in the popular vote. that is not an argument. the focus has to be on the electoral college. a lot of those electoral votes were probably committed to hillary, but they changed the mind the week before the election because of all the toxicity and reports that came out. that could have swayed a lot of them. they still have not cast their votes. if money is being raised, it should be raised for the fees if the electoral college changes their vote and they have to pay a fee.

the presidency of donald trump is already toxic. i have friends who live in new york that are her by -- horrified because they live near trump tower. there are death threats and terrorist threats. our country is falling apart and he has not even taken the oath yet. host: those people you're talking about to change the process that way, do you think that adds even more to this inability of the country to move on and heal? caller: i think that the most important thing right now is putting a president in office who is elected by the people with fair election. the whole process was so toxic that even if a person believed in donald trump from the beginning, and that goes on both sides. there was a lot of hostility. a lot of people turned on donald

trump because of some of the scandals that came out. a lot of people turned on hillary because a week before the election there was so much coming out and truck used it -- donald trump used it to his advantage. because she is going to be prosecuted go to prison. there was so much there that was toxic. i think that our country will heal when we recognize that our votes matter. now it looks like the ball does not matter because she won the popular vote. of givingis a matter the electoral college and opportunity to make a fair decision as to who should be the president based on what we see so far. they can change the presidency by looking at what is happening to our country right now. this is political malpractice. it is political malpractice, and you can see it happening and unfolding before your eyes.

protests, people are discredited -- disgruntled. republicans are horrified. miami is of course the focus of america's cuban american community. the death of fidel castro the focus of a lot of attention this weekend. post." the "washington "dictator who defied u.s. was loath and loved." held cuba in his awe. another story talking about the incoming trump administration dealing with a post-fidel castro transition muddies the fate of the detente with

cuba. decades of suspicion between the country has the potential to hasten mr. obama's goal to cement a historic rapprochement. donald trump has been critical thehe detente, the fate of fault between the united states and cuba is far from clear." donald trump's initial response was a post on twitter, "fidel castro is dead!" sent mixed singles about how the roach american policy towards cuba. even as president obama tries to codify as much of the opening as possible. mr. trump said that restoring to the erratic -- diplomatic anations was fine, he called

agreement from 2014 with raul weak agreement that provided too many concessions to cuba. that is certainly a topic we will be watching on washington journal. we have about 15 minutes left in this segment. we want to get your thoughts on this recount effort and should the clinton campaign participate in that recount. allen is in georgia, a republican. go ahead. caller: i am happy that a third-party candidate has asked for this. i always thought it would be important if we did have a third already candidate. all they are asking for is an audit. i think not only the democrats but the trump also should participate.

all the democrats have said they will audit the process and make sure it is there. the trump campaign should do the same thing. one thing i thought was interesting is i have always wanted a third party. i think.com is our third-party candidate this year. -- i think that donald trump is our third-party candidate this year. republicans and democrats attacked him from all sides. he really ran by himself as a third-party candidate. think so many people voted for him. think garydo you johnson and jill stein and evan mcmullen did for the legacy of the parties through the 2016 campaigns they ran? caller: at least they got some notoriety. the country was never designed to be a two-party system.

which really aggravates me every time i see the left side standing up and clapping, then the right side standing up and clapping. they don't work together. it seems like donald trump at least has a fresh viewpoint. i think he is really going to try to get -- you know, make sense about and attacked the problem and get a solution for the people. i think he is the people's candidate. even though he was nasty, and i don't like the way he handled himself like an elementary school get, i think at this point he is turning into a businessman and really he will we have.e problems we have some serious problems. host: what about the future of the democratic and republican party? those parties splitting off into different groups, do you see them coming together and closing ranks even more? caller: i think they realize --

the republican party has always been divided into three pieces. it is not just the democrats. the republicans have had 20 years to do something with health care, and they have done absolutely nothing. they have been divided into three parties anyway. they never work together. i am really angry with both sides. democrats and republicans, especially the republicans even though i voted republican the majority of my life. on theed to work problems and work together and listen to us. one thing donald trump is doing. thank goodness he bypassed the media people and went straight to the people. he said he did not need the media and he will just make straight talk and send it straight to the people. i don't have to have an entourage of media people wallowing me around because 90% of the time they don't tell the truth anyway. i have looked at cnn and fox news. they are both slanted.

you guys are really a breath of fresh air. i go to three places, cnn, fox, and you guys. , all jillcame out stein said it she wanted an audit. the clintons just said i will be there to make sure it is done correctly. donald trump should have someone there to do it correctly. i don't think hillary is pushing this. you might be interested in talking about the republican party like you are talking about. henry olsen, the author of the four faces of the republican party, a book from 2014, he will be here at 8:30 to talk about the election. stick around for that. coming up in our next segment, clarence page will be our guest from "the chicago tribune."

we have about 10 minutes left to hear your thoughts about this issue. should the clinton campaign participate in this recount? greg from california, and independent. caller: hi. absolutely. i think they should demand a recount. number one, there was an expert that said that they thought the system might have been compromised by hacking. votes iny 2 million the popular. toas voters have a right make sure that the process is done right. in light of all this hacking and compromise on the system, you know, they are able to economize some of our secrets.

we should make sure this is done right. as far as the divisiveness that , that thealking about recount is exacerbating the divisiveness, you know, donald trump is responsible for all this divisiveness. i have never seen a candidate so rude and nasty. he is responsible for all of this divisiveness. you know, he is just two-faced. now he is playing nice because he has what he wants. this country is going to be divided as long as he is in bigot anduse he is a nasty. host: democrat, west virginia. go ahead. caller: good morning. i believe clinton should participate in the audit. it is an audit, not technically a recount.

jill stein is the one calling for it and raising money for it. i am one of those grassroots people who contributed money to the effort because i think it is very important that we have fair elections and elections that we can be confident are being done fairly. i think this campaign, this election was completely unprecedented in the amount of interference, attempts to interfere with the electorate. hacking theussians democratic national convention. i'm sorry, the democratic national committee. we had the fbi stepping in and saying things they should not have said when they send them. said th we had the media that skewedem. the election by paying to much

attention to donald trump -- we had the media that skewed in the election by paying too much attention to donald trump. how much did you give to this recount effort? caller: $50. host: if she pursues similar efforts in pennsylvania and michigan, will you continue to contribute? caller: if she needs the money. i will contribute again. i think it is important. host: did you contribute to her presidential campaign? caller: no. i was a hillary clinton supporter. i was canvassing. people talk all the time about all of the donald trump signs they saw everywhere. i put out nine signs for hillary, and all but two of them were stolen. the two that were not stolen, one was inaccessible without

climbing a six foot stone wall. son caughtne, my someone stealing it and make them put it back. i ask you, in participating in this recount effort and giving money, are you doing it in the hopes that it will change the result for hillary clinton and not necessarily for hillary -- jill stein? caller: i am not giving money to the stein camping. host: to the effort. caller: to this audit. host: do you think the clinton campaign should be doing more to raise money and to challenge these things as opposed to following jill stein's efforts and whichever state she decides to do this and? caller: to start this audit effort? host: what you like to see a more active role from the clinton campaign? caller: no. i think donald trump and gary

johnson should get there lawyers their lawyers in there too. i think a lot of stuff that happened in this campaign was unfair and unprecedented. the husband was really has to do for me to put out hillary clinton signs because he was hesitant for me to point out hillary clinton signs because he was afraid of vandalism. host: republican. good morning. go ahead. caller: i am on c-span? host: yes. caller: hey. he is going to win one way or another. i know he has. cannot vote for such a corrupt individualist as clinton. if you want to investigate something, how about the loretta

sanchez and all of those illegals that voted. that is where we should be. host: ok. robert is in michigan. for democrats. as one of the states that is in the focus of this talk, what do you think? caller: i believe she should participate. says thatelect donald the election process was rigged in his campaign. in order to find out if our to thent lied american people, she should participate. host: we will be joined up next by clarence page, fallujah prize-winning chicago tribune columnist -- pulitzer prize-winning chicago tribune columnist. later, henry olsen, senior fellow at the public policy

center will talk about the upcoming donald trump presidency and the future of the republican party and conservativism. we were joined by surgeon general vivek murthy. the role that drug companies play in the opioid crisis. [video clip] >> there was certainly a role that pharmaceutical companies play. -- played. [inaudible] had pharmaceutical companies that were marketing [inaudible] havecians often didn't enough emphasis on the downside [inaudible] we could go back in history [inaudible] means we have to be very careful about the marketing to

patients as well as to clinicians. we know that every medication has a benefit and risk. even tylenol. it is important that patients understand that risk. i love to see pharmaceutical inpanies play more of a role treatment. we know we have a huge problem [inaudible] i like to see pharmaceutical -- becausen general we know those messages can be powerful. as a doctor [inaudible] i have had patients ask me about medications, which they are led to believe are harmless and will cure many of their [inaudible]

this presents an added burden to doctors. you have advertising that is not entirely accurate. you create additional risks as well as additional work for doctors. host: you can see the entire interview with surgeon general vivek murthy today on c-span. you can hear it on c-span radio. onlinekers" is available anytime at www.c-span.org. ,e are joined by clarence page longtime columnist with "the chicago tribune." on race,t book politics, and social change. i want to get your thoughts on this topic we were discussing, the recount effort the clinton

campaign has decided to join in wisconsin. initiated by the jill stein campaign. is this a good thing for the country to come together? guest: in the long run, yes. i noticed some confusion on the part of listeners. i shared some of their confusion initially. this is not the same as what statisticians thoughts were suspicious regularities. as his jill stein wanting to double check the system and hillary clinton's campaign, which always has an eye out for any irregularities, especially if they're coming from overseas hackers, joining in. everybody pretty much agrees that there is almost no possibility of there being enough irregularities, enough fraudulent votes, to change the election. host: what is the point in

participating? caller: to see if we have hackers. host: so it is about the next election and protecting the integrity of the system? caller: i think we have too much emphasis on suspicious regulators in the system -- regularities in the system and not enough credit for the fact that the system works incredibly well. investigation n that won the pulitzer in chicago back in 1972, one of my early assignments before i became the tireless self promoter i am today. it was quite the education for me. the very notion of vote fraud in chicago, i know you will find hard to believe. it is legendary. without found that there was a

lot more accidental mistakes made, people getting addresses wrong that resulted in dead people allegedly voting. in fact, in chicago and other places where voter fraud investigation have been have been very, very few cases of someone actually voting who was not supposed to vote. we found a lot of cases of dead people on the voting rolls. that is because people die and the names are not immediately removed. host: do you remain that confident in this age of computer hacking and all the concerns we have about online efforts to influence the election? caller: yes confidentemain because every state has a different system. youou want to hack into it, have to hack into computers that are internet accessible, which few a and your have toe do

it in every battleground state. . there is no evidence of that. inre is evidence of hackers russia or some nearby country trying to get into our system. we need to be always vigilant for that as the dnc learned when their personal in elsewhere hacked. host: if you want to join, democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001. independents (202) 748-8002. the phone lines are open. some ofo talk about your past work, especially in light of the death of fidel castro. i know you went to cuba as a journalist. what were your thoughts yesterday? caller: well, he did not --

guest: well, he did not survive me. that was my first. from eisenhower to obama, i guess he fell just short of .urviving obama's presidency i was 11 or 12 years old when he took power in cuba. that was one of my early exposures to politics in the world. -- warcold were baby baby, obviously. we worried about a mushroom cloud on the horizon. fidel castro was part of that. like the berlin wall, i was excited finally to visit berlin after the wall came down. i was amazed at how few berliners could tell me where checkpoint charlie was. that was just iconic for my americans.of

that was just a tourist trap as far as they were concerned. know then and not we do not know now what comes next after castro's fall. raul is still in power. that helps the stability of the power transition in cuba. there is a rising generation of cubans in the communist party down there, a new generation of independent journalists and writers and thinkers, it is a very dynamic and exciting people. they love of americans as a people. politics is one thing. as far as personal relations go, cubans love americans and americans love cubans as people. nobody knows what comes next. will cuba be more like china? communisthave a system that is really state

capitalism, orwell a be a rogue nation that wants to cause mischief -- or will they want to be a rogue nation that wants to cause mischief? host: i will read the first paragraph of each of these statements. from the white house yesterday, "at this time of passing, we extend a hand of friendship to the cuban people. we know this fills people with powerful emotions. we recall the countless ways that fidel castro has altered people's lives and history will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him. that is from the white house. here is a statement from the president-elect. " fidel castro's legacy is one of firing squads, death,

unimaginable suffering, poverty, and the denial of fundamental human rights." the first statement from donald trump, " fidel castro is dead!" i sure as a businessman tois champing at the bit build a hotel in cuba. host: we will start with debbie in pennsylvania. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: my question was how is he so sure that russia and china system asck into our far as our votes were counted? we the people have spoken. possibleoes not seem that trump actually won the

election. guest: maybe i spoke to quickly. i tend to do that. i did not say that i don't think that the system was hacked. i think the possibility of hacking should be investigated regardless of who won. they are not going to find enough incorrect votes or irregularities to change the election. i think everybody pretty much agrees on that. i know the clinton campaign has said so. we need to always be vigilant in regards to any kinds of voting irregularities as the credibility of the system is at stake. whether it is possible that , iald trump really did win am one that was as stunned as any other washington pundit that

donald trump won. when i look at it now, i realize many of us just had a frame of win that said hillary would even as the numbers were narrowing in the polls. had -- nate silver, but it was too close to call. really, who is ahead in that too close to call range, and he finally said that the chances of a hillary clinton victory is 80%, four out of five. that sounds good for hillary, but it still leaves one out of five for donald trump. there was always that possibility he would win. this race was closer than we thought. i personally think that even though -- anyone who reads my

columns knows that i viewed with great trepidation the possibility of a trump presidency. he is president now. he is elected people fair and square under the electoral college rules. as long as we have 50 states we need to let all that give them have a voice. if we took california out, hillary clinton's edge in the popular vote evaporate. i like california. i don't want to take out 20 out. i would not shed once here if we got rid of the electoral college. but there is one reason we have it. because of together our federal system. at that time they had 13 colonies. but now we have 50 states. either way, there are independent entities under

themselves in this united states of america. that means they should each have a voice. i would understand why we got rid of the electoral college just a few states would really have clout, new york, california, illinois. right now it is a little more even. you have gerrymandering right now. once every 10 years a remapping process which will start again in a couple of years. i saw -- i told my democratic friends that you have to get out there for those midterm elections. nate silver.tioned 538 is his website. viewers the our

headline. "demographics, not hacking explains the election result." if you want to look at their analysis of what they found. that came out on november 23. a republican in new york. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't think people understand because they have never done it. i actually worked for the local board of elections. we really go through all the .otes or a lot of the votes they do a statistical analysis. i was working for over a week on absentee ballots and verifying everybody signatures. there were people taking the paper ballots and is equally counting them on a statistical -- physically counting them on a statistical basis. this is done every election. i cannot remember any election that is overturned. the biggest corruption i see is that most of the time, as far as i know, none of the states

require proof of citizenship when you do register to vote. places like california and new ofk city, chicago, a lot these places where you have a large population of illegal aliens of illegal aliens. there was one estimate that that half a million votes in california were probably from illegal aliens. that's the problem. if you want to work on the system, we need to work on the system to make sure we don't have people who are illegal aliens here only in our elections. in our elections. they could've have turned these elections in some of these states. host: this is you have come before. all the concerns with your mother voter registration system, the voting itself is different from voter registration, but the trust in that system after reading reports about problems with , are registration numbers there on the roles that shouldn't be on there?

guest: it's news to me that you don't have to prove your citizenship in order to vote. i had to prove mine, ladies and gentlemen. i had a hospital certificate, the one with the footprint on it and the lady behind the counter the one with the feed is no good. you have to bring me the real birth certificate. that's the way it ought to be. you need to prove your citizenship to vote. the wrong notion that their armies of illegal aliens lined up to vote illegally at the polls -- i've heard this before. there's just no evidence of it. host: i'm not sure how far chatsworth is from chicago. in chatsworth, illinois, steve is waiting period and independent. good morning. with i let me start off don't like the republican congress. you mentioned hacking and not

one agency out of all of our agencies, the fbi, cia, nsa, homeland security has named one country that hacked into our computer system. to change the election. think our media did this. did gethillary clinton the upper hand on bernie sanders. and did mess up the dnc, debbie wasserman schultz didn't like bernie sanders. aggravated and hillary clinton for taking away the candidacy for bernie sanders. i just couldn't vote for hillary clinton after that. i voted for trump, even though i live in illinois.

with hillary what i thinkg away bernie sanders could've one -- won. guest: there's a position among democratic voters, which is but bernieble, sanders would not have had a cakewalk to the white house. i say that as a father of a bernie breaux -- bernie bro. sandersttacked bernie in his whole campaign. material thatk of would have been used against bernie sanders as well. i cannot say that would have been an easy victory. democrats need to look ahead, not behind. now is the time.

we were talking about this with republicans over the last couple of decades. remember eight years ago when won in a term of his landslide. people were asking if there is a future for the republican party. and now they're asking is there a future for the democrats when we were asking if there was a future for the republicans before. this is the way the system works in the pendulum goes back and forth. there were two cycles out of office while republicans got themselves together in the turnout is better. democratic turnout, black turnout, hispanic turnout, women turnout, all of those groups that hillary clinton needed did not turn out enough numbers. autofocus on black and hispanic turnout. they need an autopsy. you write most of the flipping

came from white voters. still gave 88% of their vote to clinton compared to 8% for trump. yet considering the week present tot was a see got 1% more of the black vote the mitt romney in 2012. and despite his cattle stereotyping of immigrants as criminals, trump beat romney's 27% of the hispanic vote by two percentage points. thing --think one would you make a list as to why that happened. is that a failure by democrats on effort by donald trump? guest: the same list. hillary clinton put -- too many people to granite. -- took too many people for granted. she thought she had michigan in the bag. these are mistakes candidates make that can blow an election. clintonl for hillary

beating trump. i was mainly for trump losing. i would supported anyone more viable than him. i said so in my column. you have a choice of two flawed candidates. who is the least flawed? that's evoke four. in any case, that wasn't enough to save hillary's campaign. i think she made some strategic mistakes. and then donald trump made a lot of mistakes that could have sunk in the number of times in his campaign. end, hethe very actually stuck to the teleprompter and marched through the talking points. he became more politically it was a conservative correctness. he was able to hold himself together enough to provide even a lot of moderate republicans with a viable alternative to vote for.

there were 700 count as the for obama twice that this time voted for donald trump. that's what democrats need to look at. there are a lot of people out there. you can't just say racism. there were a lot of people who voted -- a lot of white folks, especially, working-class folks who voted for obama before, who voted for trump this time. that's a big lead, more than any of us washington pundits saw. robert so, missouri is next, steve is an independent. caller: this election points to so many problems. number one, it should be easy for everybody to vote. you should just pick up your ballot at the county, you can send it in or drop it off. we shouldn't have to wait one day for everybody to vote. it, all the money out of the electoral college should be thrown out. donald trump is the one who said he's not going to accept the results unless he wins.

there's nothing wrong with this recount. there are just so many irregularities that -- and so much misinformation that the whole thing needs to be changed. that's my comments. thank you for taking my call. guest: thank you for calling. i agree, we need to make it easier to vote. to be such a leading democracy on the planet, make it tougher we are stilluse using the standards of the horse and buggy era, where it took want to doe will because it gave people enough time to get to the polling place by horse and buggy instead of having it on sunday. this has resulted in a real disadvantage for hourly wage earners who can't just take off work easily like i can, and a lot of other problems.

in that sense, the system is rigged, not in the same way the donald trump was driving at. but heavily rigged in favor of owners,ho are property people who have more money. people who are more conveniently located for their voting booth. and people who aren't victimized by gerrymandering and defunding of the polling place and this kind of thing. thing, i have problems because i don't see a good remedy. everyone agrees there's too much money in politics. nobody has a way to get out of it. who disarms first? guest: we talked about raising of seen amounts of money. i always wondered how much money do you have to raise before it becomes obscene? can i get just a little bit naughty? does have to go all the way to x-rated?

can we settle for pg-13 money? really destroys the post-watergate funding reforms when you decided to go to the internet, which was not allowed at watergate. he went to the internet and was readable -- able to raise more money. that's what everyone has been doing now. we need to update the way we look at economics. i don't agree with the supremes court -- supreme court's ruling that money is speech, but money gives you access to a platform, to a level of free speech that everybody else may not have. that is something that needs to be looked at. but just think of the money out of politics, usually the answer i get is public financing. and i say ok, but you have a neo-nazi candidate now running for president, they have to get matching funds. do i want my money to go to a neo-nazi?

road, so we are talking about if you do public funding. there's no easy answer to money and politics. host: detroit michigan, democrat. go ahead. caller: what i would like you to be able to help me understand in terms of the electoral college, this is the fifth time that the person who got the popular vote didn't get the election. i guess it didn't happen at all during the 20th century, can you explain how that happened and did they win by millions of votes? in florida we were talking about thousands of votes. it seems unusual to me that someone can have 2 million more popular votes and still lose the election, and if we're really talking about one vote per person, it doesn't matter whether you are in california or wisconsin, it's a national election, it should be one vote per person.

it was like we don't need to have the electoral college to have a more democratic election. , theher point is protesting by groups like black lives matter, does not have a negative influence on the democrats? if you could process that for me. i will give the latest numbers on the popular vote versus electoral college. from thes of yesterday bloomberg story about the recount process, the nonpartisan group political report shows a hillary clinton ahead in the nationwide popular vote by about 2.2 million votes at 6.4 6 million to 60.4 million. in 13 states, donald trump received almost 22 million votes to oakland's 21.3 million votes. guest: the logic of electoral college can be most easily explained by forgetting the fact that we are one nation united.

think of us as 50 nations plus the district of columbia which gets one electoral vote for them like that. as i said, in the formation of this country, you had to persuade all of these local colonial governments that there's a good reason for you to join together with the rest of us and become this federation. able to decidebe in your own way who is going to be president. and that was what happened. we have 50 different systems. one for each state for picking the president. that's why you have a difference between the popular vote and the electoral college vote, dependent on how many people turned out in each state for which candidate. that is toason for try to keep the country united. it's why they make sure every state feels like they have equals given the game. they don't, in some ways they

have more skin than they should. wyoming is way overrepresented for the size of their population. it's less than the district of columbia, which doesn't get representation in congress, voting representation, that is. basically an historical anomaly. to change it, we have to tell now, weho have power ask you to voluntarily give up your power for the good of the nation as a whole. at the heck of a thing to ask --m anybody to give up power power concedes nothing without a demand. that's where we are as far as electoral college is concerned. 538 made up of 435 representatives of the house, 100 senators, and three electors from the district of columbia. guest: very good. the district of columbia will appreciate you getting that count right. host: on the impact of the black lives matter movement. guest: i look at the black lives

matter movement, like i look at the tea party or occupy wall street or any other activist movement. wes lowery at the "washington post," a bright young up-and-coming pulitzer prize-winning reporter came out with a book on black lives matter. he has a book out called the cancer kill us all. he says black lives matter's mormon ideology than a movement. i like that. it's a state of mind. if you say you are, you are part of it. they don't have a clear leadership in the usual sense. neither does the tea party, but nobody denies the tea party has a big influence on congress. black lives matter has less influence for number of reasons. probably because of their base is smaller. have a clear-cut to reduceher than

police misconduct, which is a good cause and they draw a lot of attention to it. but in a lot of cases, black lives matter has become the story more than the cause that they are fighting for. but you party ran into that's interesting. if black lives matter was really an effective political organization in this election, we would not have seen the black turnout go down. we would've seen things go up. who would've seen more of an urban turnout. but we didn't. why did that happen? -- why didn't that happen? we didn't have a candidate on the left like we did on the right. both flawed, but both still able to generate some really huge campaigns. host: in terms of generating some of those results and some of those benefits, could the ideology and the movements benefit from a leader?

where is that not even possible with how this is set up? guest: every movement benefits from a strong leader. a good, strong, sensible leader. look at the southern christian leadership conference before martin luther king came along? who had heard of them? the montgomery bus boycott put them in the headlines, because he was at an effective speaker and organizer. most of the organizing was done with people under his leadership, but he set the tone and give a voice, most notably in that i have a dream speech oft goes down in the annals the american chronicle down with the gettysburg address trade that's what leadership brings you. but the black community is in making leaders like king anymore. they don't come along very often. they don't make leaders like cesar chavez anymore. but the leaders are out there. the question of cultivating and bring them forth -- who knew

was before heama came to sweep the country with his charismatic vision? who knew that donald trump was generate support with his blazing narcissism all over the place? and he won. i told my italian friends i can no longer mock you for putting berlusconi and power, we elected our own. manchester, new hampshire. republican, good morning. caller: hello, can you hear me? host: yes, ma'am. caller: i would like you to speak to the issue of the media's role in this election. i heard you say earlier there were a lot of things that came into play, and how you were all surprised. when i think one of the deciding factors was was that the people in america thought clearly that

the press is not giving us back to letting us decide my china paint a picture or skew and persuade us of report. for instance, what you just said about we elected our own tyrant over here. that whenample is trump, near the end of the campaign was asked are you going to abide by the election results , he didn't say no or he didn't answer. he said we will have to see what happens. you know what was going to happen. and everybody in the media acted like it was a direct assault on our system of government, trying to undermine the people's ability to even believe in our system. and now we have ears recounts being done, when he just acknowledged there's no chance that it could results in a different results. and there's no real evidence

that there was any kind of hacking. where is the outrage by the media that the people on the left are trying to undermine our belief in our own system? i honestly believe that the press, in the end, was actually responsible trumps winning. you should have my wife here with me for equal time. this has divided our family over that same question. my wife is among those who said you people in the media did this. tu, my dear? first of all, media is a plural word, for good reason. radio, tv, magazines, internet, twitter, etc. there's a lot of media out there. which media are responsible? the college is mentioned the media is responsible for covering up what liberals have done. how about fox news? --ay cover up for liberals?

do they cover up for liberals? i've never heard that before. we have a lot of different media. but i think the real seriously need to look at as the media is of we missed the sentiments so much of this country at once that led to donald trump's victory. i've been writing for years about the growing divide in our country between those who have a high school diploma and those who don't. if you have schooling beyond high school, you have a shot at getting some real increase in your income and your working lifetime. a vitalon't have diploma, you are on the losing end. the language of some conservatives -- this is something that charles murray, conservative has written about. there is little or's -- various

liberals have written about. nobody saw it coming in this the preciseing factor that has become. have jd vance on c-span, as you should. use from my hometown, middletown, ohio. case of assic midwestern steel town paper mill town that brought my family up from alabama. it builds america in post-world war ii. i was able to build enough money to pay my tuition at ohio university. in a robustgrowing fashion in the 1960's. it's not now. jd came along at the same high school at a time when middletown is dying. the mills are closed. it didn't surprise me in the end that ohio went for trump.

we saw polls waiting for trump in ohio, and i said has my buckeye state gone crazy? but the closer i looked, i saw my college town, athens, where poverty was always a problem. when the economy expanded, we started getting jobs over there. they have been out of luck in more recent years. that's a problem for so much of industrial america, which was in creating pivotal a blue wall that led to hillary's defeat. this,dian is to look at liberal, conservative, right down the middle. about this other stuff the media cost donald trump to win or the media did this for hillary, that's just the usual chatter. and that's ok. the media blaming the pollsters, in the selection -- this election. guest: the thing i said earlier about nate silver.

we in the media were pressing upholsterers to give us definitive answers and definitive predictions that we could use. we are production hungry because the readers love connections. they say they don't, we do. if you say so and so is way ahead in the race, that lends an element of excitement. it helps to bring out voters. i find it to be a democratic thing, small d. the pollsters have been humbled now, as we should be, every so often. inay that as the newspapers did -- saying you dewey defeated truman. polling still has its weak points. one of them being you can't predict turnout. you can protect what people's attitudes are, but will he go on and vote -- will they go out and vote? host: angela's waiting period

and independence. independent. caller: i want to challenge t media, especially c-span. they are still missing the story. if you look at that photograph with lieutenant flynn sitting next to putin, you can see that across from the table is jill stein sitting there as well. i'm questioning why that's not been brought up at what her involvement is work on motive is with this recall. and with her involvement with the russians. guest: where's that picture? flynn: you saw lieutenant , the media kept flashing that up and questioning donald trump's pick for -- stein andre were jill flynn together? table, i wase

watching on msnbc and they've said they dropped the ball on this one. we haven't even asked why she is sitting there. it dropped from there. it's the same picture, you can find the picture. guest: i'm asking that question. host: working on finding the picture. we will keep working on finding that picture. sean, democrat. go ahead. caller: hi. host: go ahead, you are on the clarence page. caller: i'm just watching all the stuff that's going on, and i'm hearing all of y'all. on the disabled vietnam veteran. -- i am a disabled vietnam veteran. i can't understand what the hell is going on in this country. what are you most concerned about, sean? the vision. host: did you say the division?

caller: yeah. host: clarence page on healing that division. something you talk about in your column. veteran'm a vietnam era and i'm concerned about what's going on in this country too. challenge of both parties caught by surprise by trump's success is how to reintroduce americans to each other. guest: this is what's interesting to me. i said is when barack obama won. i was delighted. --ry election told something told americans something about themselves. is america ready to elect a black president? and now we know, yes it is. let -- ableble to to elect a black president and let him do his job without stonewall opposition? that's a new request and that has come along. lotnevertheless, there is a

of debate going on in the democrats especially, is identity politics good for the democratic party's future or not? i think it's a good question. one of the reasons why hillary clinton's campaign didn't work harder on the black and hispanic vote is they thought it was in the bag. that's been a problem for democrats ever since the 60's when the current divide -- racial partisan divide occurred after the civil rights act and voting rights act were passed. and now, whenever we have an election, the losing side examines what went wrong and they point fingers at each other. the winning side think they are invincible and begin to set themselves up for defeat down the road. and that's when the pendulum tends to swing back and forth

between democrats and republicans. right now, democrats have been through a time when they look at the last election and saw they had won the popular vote and felt like we are invincible because of changing demographics. white americans as a percentage of the population are shrinking. blacks, hispanics, asians are growing. the means more democratic victories. it's not automatic. if voters don't turn out, as in ,his election, they did not while working-class white voters do turnout in big numbers, they tend to vote republican. then you have the votes that you got here. it's not just a question of the demographics. it's also a question of what is your party have to offer? democrats used to be the working man's party. republicans that are the working person's party.

you could easily make that argument. reagans made when ronald voters, we called the reagan democrats. but it was the same through the 90's as we saw with bill clinton. i think this is really what we need to look at both on the democratic side and the republican side. -- they wentow through a time when they were relying on christian conservatives. currently are in somewhat disarray. you have a party establishment that is like their own canada. people are starting to fall in line in the traditional republican way. how long is he going to last? he's already rolling back his major promises. he's not in line with their publican party platform. roadn see trouble down the

for republicans. i think both parties need to look at their futures. host: we found the picture the viewer was asking about. courtesy of the "chicago tribune. " a picture from the 10th anniversary of russia today, that took place in moscow in 2015, december 2015. the attorney general michael flynn was there, jill stein also noted in that picture as well. this picture appearing as criticism came out after flynn's betweenent about ties the russian government and the russian government trying to influence the u.s. election. chicago tribune writes these photos were published by the russian -- some russian propaganda outlet. as is the concern that a viewer talked about. guest: an interesting photo. that was before flynn got involved with the trump campaign , 2015.

i love the way the vladimir --in rings together such a brings together such a diverse crowd of people. host: david is a republican. go ahead. caller: i'm watching very closely the recount for wisconsin. seems tooversy surround the touch screens that are used. it's my understanding from state law that one of these is ,equired in every polling place it's my understanding that all of these touchscreens are not online and not part of any network. that would make it difficult for wille wishing to hack them have to physically visit each of these polling places to manipulate the machines. also, there are a number of different models used. but the one that is most in question is the tsx machine

which is used by four relatively small counties. those counties the trunk carried by 60%, there were 23 other counties in wisconsin that also have the good machines, but also carried by 60% for trump. that is my comment. host: david seems to be following this closely. guest: i will wait and see what happens. one thing i remember after the florida 2000 debacle, polls showed that most people -- more voters prefer a machine that will give them a paper receipt. something on paper that can be audited later on or counted -- a receipt, so to speak, that the voter can take home with them. it puzzles me why we don't have that same system in every state. i don't care what company makes

them, as long as it is acceptable. somethinghink that is the federal government should get involved in? there's a big effort to allow the states to come up with their own voting systems to make this as down to the state and local as possible. should there be a minimum standard on that? guest: i feel is a state issue. each state enforces their own voting laws. and has a vested interest in the elections. i don't see whether states can handle the themselves and the voters need to protest of their governors and state legislators that their own state system is not as fair or accountable as the next system is. that's how the great laboratory of the states operate. host: clarence page, you can read his tribune -- you can read his column in the chicago tribune. appreciate you coming. guest: i appreciate the invite. host: up next, henry olsen will

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to get george washington in as part of the coup d'état. hamilton talked about this democracy stuff. washington was a true republican. tonight at eight ago eastern on c-span's "q&a." >> "washington journal," continues. host: henry olsen is back at the desk, the senior fellow at the ethics and public policy center. viewers may know his book, the four faces of the republican party. the republican party has a new face, its leader now, president-elect donald trump. voters -- see trunk trump voters changing the face of the republican party? guest: many of them are not republicans. many of them are independents, and he got a high percentage of democrats who crossed over.

they don't fit neatly into any of the four factions of the ruling party. they are not conservative. they are economically populist and socially modern. they're going to be as you can fit. these of the voters with public's need to win a majority, but they don't fit neatly. are these so-called trump democrats? guest: i think that's fair. they are the children and grandchildren of people reagan democrats. they come from the same background and have the same ideas. host: if public is want to make a permanent part of the party, have they do that -- how do they do that? guest: we want active citizenship, nothing being an american citizen is just paying taxes of the usa under letters when you send them overseas. but there is an implicit bargain , if you work hard and play by the rules, people will make sure that you live lives with comfort, dignity, and respect. they feel that target has been

broken by leaders of both parties. that is why donald trump effectively ran against both parties, against republican dogma in the primary engine credit dogma in the general election. -- in thes who want primary, and democratic dogma in the general election. republicans want to keep them in the party have to appeal to them. host: hillary clinton had a chance to make her appeal to these voters that became the trump democrats that we are talking about. why didn't that appeal work? guest: she never try to make that appeal. she wrote them off very early on. she had a small appeal that she used on trade. on coresed her campaign democratic constituencies, on animating and unifying her party and turning them out. the popularthat won vote. she will win the popular vote by over 2.5 million votes. but they are not evenly distributed. they are not enough cordon credit voters in the upper

midwest, and i was a strategic error on their part. for the new trump voters, when we're talking about specifically decision that's what a moving through the building behind us, where we going to see the points where there could be disagreement and concerns and possible fracturing? guest: these voters want active government. they want a government that will work actively on their side. that means they also want protection. they feel they have been wronged, economically. they are going to want some action on trade. they're going to want action on immigration. there is going to be element of the publican party that will like it. like it.on't they want to legalize millions of an document did aliens and what to continue a large-scale immigration increase or inflow into united states. they are going to be odds -- at odds with the replicants -- republicans that want to continue the global trading regime. they are going to be an awesome

trump democrats. democrats may go along with task -- tax cuts for the wealthy, but they want them for themselves. host: are those pre-transactions going to accept some change? guest: they're going to have to accept some change of they want to create a more permanent union and a majority that will last. the front democrats -- trump democrats will have to except change. host: what is nonnegotiable? guest: things like pro-life. these voters are morally moderate. they will go along with social policy consensus, as long as there needs are being met. with nonnegotiable is some form of regulatory relief. and some form of tax cut. the nature of the tax cut is something that's going to have to be negotiable.

both sides can live with some sort of reduction in the tax code. host: president trump and the future of the republican party is our topic. ,emocrats, call (202) 748-8000 public and's, call (202) 748-8001 -- republicans, call independents1, call (202) 748-8002. mary is up with this next. caller: yes, and my aunt -- and i on? host: yes, is this mary? caller: i wanted to talk to the other guy you had on. i want to tell you how donald trump won this election. he won this election because god was running with trump. 4 million more christians got out to vote than the last election. prayed over trump.

he's been the most prayed over president ever. he's a good man. he's going to change everything. he's going to make everything better. hillary was running on an evil ticket. he was running on the good ticket. host: mary, can i ask you the same question i asked for harriet -- henry olsen? for you, what is nonnegotiable? caller: you don't kill gaza babies. you don't worship many gods. i've heard people call in and say god says all my people. god loves everybody. he wants people to change their ways and come to him. he says all my people, he's talking his christian people. welcome -- it doesn't say in the bible all nations come to you. it's as you go into the nation's and you teach my word.

she was running on a ticket for all religions, come into us. you don't do that. you don't worship idols. there's one god. and he is a jealous god. host: henry olsen. guest: i think she mentioned a couple of good points. she talks about nonnegotiable, killing god's babies. that's what i call pro-life something that's an absolute bedrock value in the republican party. and with respect to even to got achristians, trump larger percentage of that group according to the exit poll. 81%. got, that eveny george w. bush got. electionpeople in the increase their votes, they were more latinos, more catholics, more nonbelievers, there also more christians. he did get a higher share of them. it's one of the main reasons he ended up winning. host: what about when

non-christians here that are concerned that whether it's specifically republican party or --rica in the next 40 years four to eight years, whether will be welcoming to non-christians? guest: the republican needs to be welcoming to non-christians. the nation is substantially diverse with respect to its religions, it's christianity is extreme endeavors. who aree people christians who have many different views about the authority of scripture and how it relates to the teachings of jesus. the republican party that is exclusively a sectarian party is one that will be a minority party. host: indiana, kevin is waiting on the line for republicans. guest: i had a question -- caller: i had a question about how everyone is trying to interestsnald trump's -- businesses with conflict of interest.

i want to know your perspective fannie mae,y, -- freddie mac, how their president investors involved in that. it's presidential money. how is that different? i realize with the bailout money to those investors are getting paid right now, that could change in the future. yearsw about the past 30 that they had a conflict of interest? i want to see how that compares. guest: there is certainly a lot of businesses that the nation does that creates conflict of interest in some respect. the question is whether or not the people who are making the decisions are personally benefiting from them. i haven't heard that fannie mae and freddie mac officials -- while he or public officials benefiting from credit decisions they are making. jeb hensarling, who has been floated as potential treasury secretary, is a very fierce critic of fannie mae and freddie

mac. if he is appointed treasury secretary, that would be a strong signal to ones that don't. it's a central core ambition. host: you are with the ethics and public policy center. what is the ethical thing the donald trump should do when it comes to his family business? what would you recommend you do? -- he do? guest: he needs to find a way to wall that all from his decision-making. a probably held company, it would be easier. he is a privately held company. because it is privately held out if you turned it over to his kids, it would restrict you can talk about with his kids. i think he needs to do something along that line. upm sure lawyers can come with rules are more effective than i can come up with, but he needs to take that seriously. because you will have people with winks and nods around the globe doing dubious business,

when accuse the clinton foundation of doing. it would be unwise for person of his stature in controversy to support that kind of controversy. host: what is the ethics and public policy center? that: it's a think tank focuses on bringing judeo-christian values in the public policy. we've been here for almost four years. host: john is up next on the line for independents. caller: this is john, i'm wondering about jill stein and the fact that she wants to be so accurate on these revoked counts are in and wondering why she doesn't advocate for the recounts in the states that were close calls. where hillary one also. she's focusing on just the ones close.ump won that were if she would be fair and unbiased, she would also call for a recount in the states that hillary won as well. it's so obvious that she is

biased and maybe even put up to this but hillary people. she won less than 1% of the popular vote. to see the doing this for money, which she claims are going into separate accounts, which can easily be accessed by various ways. people know that. i think it's only fair that she should advocate for the recount of the votes in states that on in as well. host: henry olsen. guest: and he gets pretty clear what she's trying to do, and i think it's highly unlikely that she got more votes in wisconsin and michigan in the margin of defeat for hillary clinton. if she had wanted donald trump to lose, that was another choice she could've made much earlier. host: that would be not running. guest: that would be not running. host: frank in new jersey. good morning. caller: thanks for taking my call.

i just want to know, when they do this recounts, i was listening to this conversation a while back and i heard the reporter ask obama if the illegal voters could vote, with a because and traced, and he said no, vote. they can't trace anything and he won't be deported. when they do this recounts, are they going to count all the people that shouldn't have voted? these illegal citizens or noncitizens, here illegally? i know that there are millions of them the vote. are they going to be able to find and pick them out and dismissed their votes? guest: a recount is going to be done, if it's done, in states where there are very few illegals, wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania have very few latinos, very few illegal aliens. but even in those states, a recount is going to count the ballots. it's not going to look into the validity of millions of ballots.

if you got past the first training session, you got past the registrar and you actually cast a ballot and it was counted, it will be recounted here without a recheck of your eligibility. host: will be conducted by the canvassers, who must move quickly to meet in the december deadline to ensure that the state's electoral votes are counted. jill stein has to file monday for a recount and the media and by wednesday to trigger a recount in michigan. results in that state are not technically certified until monday. that's the timeline. the electors meeting in their state capitals december 19 to pass their electoral college vote. there's the timeline. but scott allen in brooklyn, new york. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i hear a lot of talk about following christian values and that being a reason to support

trump three you will never hear of the not putting a stumbling block in the way of the blind, his line to strip supporters in his campaign and then reporting that his real position with something different afterwards. just to get votes, with the principle of leaving for the poor things in the corner of your field, not reading the corners of your harvest. trump's extreme interpretation of the invasion of bankruptcy laws and tax laws for his benefit are totally contrary to that. we are doing to develop find anything in trump's behavior constant with such values? guest: everyone has to decide with the teachings of christ mean for themselves. it's very difficult to apply those to any particular political candidate, it's hard to be as perfect as the man who walked in galilee 2000 years ago. i think many believing christians find many things that

can be consistent with their values, just as many look and agree with the caller, that they assess him and find him wanting. the: what do you think christian approach to dealing with the immigration issue in this country should be? guest: i don't want to speak for all the different branches of christianity. there are many christian denominations who have been traditionally more welcoming proposed,rump has that they wanted to have some degree of legalization and some degree of large immigration flow , that tends to be the majority position among the christian denominations whose leaders have taken a position on this issue. host: do you personally favorable on the us-mexico border? guest: personally, i would like to see some part of structure. i would like to see more policy like australia or canada has, which restricts the ability of low skilled immigrants to come and compete with nativeborn people.

he gives additional benefits to people with needed skills or education's, who are likely at to get a mix of immigrants who provide values that they want and we don't create downward pressures for nativeborn americans. host: what about a ban on muslims entering the united states? guest: i would not support that. in arkansas, and independence. good morning. question, theya keep talking about a tax cut for corporations when the average tax paid by corporations in this country is around 13%. here we sit with $20 trillion worth of debt and you want to cut taxes. that's exactly what our great leader, george w. bush did. he started a couple of wars and cut taxes. that's the reason we are in a position now. it doesn't make sense. explain that, please.

guest: a lot of people believe that cutting business taxes will attract foreign companies to come and set up plants and businesses here an employee americans with good wages. you will also see people in america who are already here invest more in america. get morey is that you investment, more jobs, more wages, and that you will do better in the long run if you cut taxes on businesses. we have one of the highest corporate tax rates for large companies in the developed world. we are way out of step, britain is a 17%, some nations are as low as 10%. that's attracting large companies to move their plant and employed people in those countries rather than here. --t: ishmael is an indiana is in indiana. line for democrats. caller: a quick comment about this election. on,lieve we have to move

the recount doesn't make any sense. we have to move on. but my comment on the election was the first caller from north carolina talking about the christianity and all the christians that showed up in the polls to vote. he's right. sister-in-law they live in illinois and they don't have that much clue about politics. but the church ordered them to vote for trump. my comment is, we have to look at it as a nation that what's good for our nation. hillary clinton wasn't a good candidate for my party. i was bernie's man. i'm progressive. unfortunately, that was the end of results. we have to move on. comment and i will take it from there. have a good day.

-- guest: the recount is one to be highly unlikely to move the votes. donald trump is winning by over 20,000 votes in wisconsin. unless they really discover some sort of hacked voting machine, which only really thinks they're going to do, this is just one to be a very expensive way to valuable we are ready now. churches order followers -- can churches order followers to vote a certain way? is that legal? guest: churches are supposed to be nonpolitical to maintain their tax status. some churches are closer to that line than others. i'm not aware that churches that order people. but churches on both sides with active pastors have discussed politics and certainly democrats used churches in certain communities on early voting days to bring people together and bust them to the polls or drive

them to the full. drive them to the polls. some pastors are very aggressive. host: how aggressive is the federal government in investing those cases of stepping over that line. guest: they tend to not look very closely at it. in part because it is something that would go -- that both parties in some ways benefit from this. some areas where the churches are strongly democratic, some areas where churches are strongly republican. it tends to be something that's more individual than denominational. you don't have roman catholic civilianr of his ordering their flocks to go certain way. it tends to be in very nondenominational, pastor driven churches. people tend to not look into that very closely. host: in bethlehem, pennsylvania. tom is a republican. caller: i'm just like you to

comment on some of the positive new trump developments, mainly the fact that he is going to take a one dollar salary and instead of taking the regular salary. and that he's been negotiating with four motor companies and carrier companies keep their plant here. could you comment? caller: it's the very sort of thing that trump voters want. they want to see a president who is active on their side. they believe that american corporate leaders have been saving foreigners over americans for quite some time. when they see donald trump doing that, that's exactly what a one -- what they elected him for. caller is also a republican. that's what they want to see out of him. i think we as americans should expect to see and do more of that. host: 15, 20 minutes left with henry olsen, a fellow of the ethics and public policy center and the author of the four faces of the republican party.

we're talking about the future of the republican party and the donald trump administration. caller: hey, guys. hello? host: caller: i think god for you guys -- host: go ahead, alex. caller: i thank god for you guys. we have a problem in this country. [indiscernible] why everybody think hillary clinton was a bad person and evil person? i don't understand. what is understand going on in this country. i do not understand. [indiscernible] much makes a motion

because i grew up with -- i'm very much mixed emotion because i grow up with castro. i grew up in cuba. [indiscernible] know, we need to check from. -- checked from. [indiscernible] not everybody can blame obama, obama, obama. host: can i ask you in light of castro's death, do you still have family in cuba? caller: yes. host: what is the reaction? have you talked to them since? caller: yes, i talked to them. that is the only person they know.

praise pastor like a saint. a days a very powerful man -- he is a very powerful man. you knew that he was a very powerful man. the people in cuba believe in him like he is a god. everybody heard him talking about cuba. look, it is not a monarch. if we do business with you, we will do better things. [indiscernible] it is a beautiful place. host: thanks for calling in. henry paulson? --henry olsen? guest: i think his views on mrs. clinton, there is a very wide partisans of each

candidate, and opponents from each candidate that might have been the campaign in my lifetime, where there has been deep dislike of the other person's candidate across the .oard exit polls show 18% of americans did not like either candidate and that is unprecedentedly high , as i think both candidates should look at themselves and ask why was that the case? why when donald trump comes to office having lost the popular vote, one of the most unpopular persons ever elected, what does that mean and mrs. clinton should think about her campaign and why did over half of americans have an unfavorable view on her? host: what is your take on the death of fidel castro and that future relations? guest: i was not a fan of castro. when someone comes to power, and is believed to be democrat and turns out to be a communist and murders thousands of people,

castro was an evil dictator. heather had died before world war ii, and i doubt any over to them he would have jumped up and talked about how he invented the vw beetle and build roads, so forth. castro was an evil man. i think it is a good thing for us people that he is gone. it is clear that americans would like to begin to have some sort of relations with cuba, but it is difficult to do that when you have so many millions of people who have fled the country and -- coasthe citizens citizens with personal pain and loss caused by the regime and their feelings have to come in to play. sam is an alabama, independent. trump is think that going to be a good president. for one reason. i think he will attack the gay marriage theme.

he is going to bring the jobs back to america. he is going to charge tax by bringing those things from overseas while they are knocking out jobs this year. guest: i think that is what he will try to do. he has made it clear he is an unconventional republican and believes the government ought to be involved in trying to keep jobs here and bring them back. republicans tend to talk about growth. for trump, he will talk about jobs. have smaller gdp growth, but we have higher growth in manufacturing jobs. i think donald trump would call that a success. the gay marriage issue, is it back on the table in the next four years? guest: the only way it would be back on the table is if the court case were to come up to the supreme court and to ask them to reconsider the decision. there would be no chance of overturning that unless not only

the next appointee to replace the late justice scalia were conservative and supportive of that, but also a second appointment because even with the replacement, that just replaces them decision -- and and tape decision just as with another one. i think it is unlikely, but if trump does get a second pick in they are willing to overturn the precedented case, you will find a way that makes you -- you'll find the case that makes its way up. host: greg, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. whented to ask mr. olsen, donald trump starts deporting illegal immigrants, do you know if he has any plans to make them walk the trip and leave them with deputies on horses or does he plan on providing buses? if so, we can do some kind of

crowdfunding and get the american people to raise some type of funds so we can get them back to their country humanely. what do you think? will: i'm sure mr. trump try to do it as humanely as possible if he goes forward with the deportation plan. if you will deport someone who was isolated or perhaps not isolated in the refusal, that is something we will hear about. i am sure mr. trump are president trump, if he goes forward with the deportation plan, or try to do it as you mainly as possible. tweet james asked -- when dos we get a segment on the real party breakup. , tim ryan versus nancy pelosi? -- -- tim ryan versus nancy

pelosi? we will talk about whether they think nancy pelosi continue to be the party leader in the house. two tweets. one says, why do people care who does and who doesn't get gay married? writes, why is it constitutional for christians to tell me what i can do with my body? i refuse to give my body to christian control. believe it is wrong, whether for religious purposes or neutral social purposes. in marriage has been illegal unfortunately every country until the last 15 years, when it has been something moving throughout the developed world. history isf years of behind that, whether one takes kindly on that are not. with respect to the other question, i think if what you , there that is abortion

are many people who believe there is a second body involved. the body of the young forming child inside the mother. if it was the case up clearly what the mother does with her concernen on the cap about it come up when you talk about a separate human being that is genetically distinct from the moment of conception, there are people who think that that highly vulnerable person deserves protection. consequently, the concern is about the person inside the mother and not the mother herself. host: in ocean grove, new jersey, rj is an independent. caller: good morning, john. host: go ahead. caller: good morning to your guest, as well. guest: thank you. caller: i know the topic was supposed to be the future of the republican party and your guest has probably written a very good book about the "four faces of the republican party," but i

just have to digress, john. i just want to put it out there that a lot of folks are calling they are fearful mr. trump wants to impose christian value on everybody else. i think people need to consider that the abuse that the majority of americans hold, including mr. trump, a recording to what we believe is what god wants. please do not construe when the word god comes of that we mean christians. we all have a god, right? god, islamdus have a has a god, so i think people are getting scared and saying, oh, stopd, he is going to muslims from coming in, but i mary have to go back to because she fully explained the

concept of donald trump in his rise because it is true. donald trumpn on to do this and i believe mr. trump is going to do everything he says he was going to do. host: we will let henry olsen comment. do you see the hand of god in this election? guest: i did not want to claim to see the divine and something. god works in ways that are unknown to human ways, but what i see is a man who came into the political system who found the withtten people and spoke them, and spoke with them on a clear and persuasive language and excited them and give them hope where they had not had hoped for a long time. divinewants to put inspiration behind that, that is something to the individual dealer, callers, etc..

-- i another tweet believe we trump voters are [indiscernible] caller: i agree with to guess that obviously, castro is an evil man, but i want to say that i don't think donald trump is a republican in a sense of the word of the traditional republican, and it think it is a dark day in america. i do not think the mentors about history, does not want to learn about history. his policies are ridiculous. the hand of god -- he was elected on hate. i think it is a sad, sad day. in terms of taxes, i think we should abolish corporate taxes and tax capital gains that

regular income rates so the rich people can pay taxes like the rest of us. it is absurd that donald trump did not pay any personal income tax and he never released his tax records, and i just think it is absurd that this man was elected. i am embarrassed to be an american. guest: thanks for taking my call. guest:there are a lot of people that feel like the caller. one of the most heartfelt and heart rendering elections. if trump had lost, there would have been millions of people responded. the fact that he won means there clintonreds of hillary supporters that would despond it. it will be interesting to see what the president-elect is. seen in hisave you --ection for his anterior and who he is surrounding himself with a miss cabinet? -- cabinet? guest: he has been all the

conventional. with the exception of general flame. oddly conventional in the republicans. he has picked people firmly within the republican conservative consensus on the issues or that they have been picked for [indiscernible] clearly within the republican consensus, generally like you and ambassador nikki haley -- un ambassador designate nikki haley. host: a lot of concerns about his association with his alt right. how should donald trump deal with the alt right? guest: if it is code for neo-nazi, he needs to make it 100% clear that they will receive no favoritism. that america is not interested fascism, and undermining its historic values to support that ideology. mr. ban in should state that 100%.

i think mr. bannon may use the term differently. i think he may mean economic populist, and i think you will see much more economic populismsm, economic coming out of this because that is what he ran on. with respect to the neo-nazis who are claiming or the white thatmacists claiming president-elect trump and mr. bannon should be clear that those people will receive no encouragement. host: have they been clear enough so far? fact thathink the people continue to raise the question suggest that at least mr. bannon has not been clear enough. mr. trump is talked about deploring those people. it would be helpful if mr. bannon offered a clear statement that these people are beyond the panel and they will receive no sustenancent or no from this administration. ronald reagan did that. white supremacists endorsed

ronald reagan and he was clearly denouncing them from the second of their endorsements. host: remind people how he went about doing that. guest: in his campaign for president, the kkk endorsed him. you can read this and biographies. he has 100% clear that he endorsement, he rejects the sentiments that the express. host: did he do something more than donald trump? guest: i think he was clearer and faster about it. i think the question is less donald trump and more steve bannon. the question is mr. bannon. i think mr. bannon needs to do something as if you were a political candidate and denounce it equally like mr. thompson probably harsher. host: sheila has been waiting, oklahoma, republican. go ahead. caller: thank you. i have a few comments. one was where a preacher can

argue to vote, i sat in the church and there are definitely for democrat. they do notican, so order you to vote. you have your free choice. number two, i mean, i was not for trump. i was for ben carson, but trump, the reason he voted was for the job. i was sick of jobs going overseas and i wanted to shout hooray when indiana kept their jobs. i felt like it was from donald trump and now he is on carrier. i feel like someone [indiscernible] i listened to hillary clinton on the coal miners. well, she wanted to shut down the coal miners. we will retrain your and government jobs and i thought what jobs? they have all left. there are no factory jobs. it is all service jobs that do not pay much. the other thing that more on wasantly i think he w

the supreme court justices. we need some conservatives in there. is he going to deport people? no. i do not think so, but if people cover on those others, people will support him. thank you. astutethat is a very analysis. he is the third person to talk about jobs in this program. the republican party has been remiss in thinking that aggregate growth was what people wanted and they wanted good jobs and good wages. that if manufacturing will not come back is code for your income is down permanently and that is the political nonstarter. i think the republican party and the four factions ought to look at the comments mr. trump has respondede issue and to the demands for this and act accordingly. i do think that the justices were an incredibly important way to unify the party, particularly with christian conservatives that have been on the losing end

of many 5-4 decisions, social issues they cared about. many christian conservatives had despond andsee -- see. i think that was a very large back in unifying the republican party. in the know, new york, independent. go ahead. caller: yes, i was calling to speak about the appointments that donald trump has made so far. be conventional in terms of being a republican, but they have some of them have issues foreign governments, where they had taken money from foreign governments and then those others who do not have government ties have absolutely no experience in the departments

for which they were chosen to run, said the department of education, one voice chosen has never been in the classroom. how does she relate to the position? ben carson, who said himself you is not qualified to run the government operation, and now is in health and human services, ud and iputs them in h assume it is because he is black, so therefore, he must know what it is like to take care of the inner-city. some of the apartments have been [indiscernible] and he does go with rudy who is whohere is -- hillary clinton considered crooked. rudy giuliani is far more tied into foreign government for his own personal gain than she ever was, so can you expand on some of these appointments, which to

with not help his image those who are not supportive of him in the first place? the road to the talk about bannon being two doors down from the oval with some of the policies that he has supported in the past. host: he is talking about steve bannon but last two minutes. guest: secretary devos is far from the first person to occupy that position without having fought -- top in the classroom. president obama's education does have a lifetime devotion and interest in the issues that surround education. he is actively involved in school performance. if someone comes from the outside without having dealt with it, this is what her passion is anyone someone with vision and a plan, and i think secretary devos will do that, andg with president trump

try and reform our schools along the lines of the choice agenda that republicans have been arguing for. host: henry olsen, senior fellow at the ethics and public policy -- policy center. his book "the four faces of the republican party." we appreciate the time. guest: thank you. host: in our last segment of "the washington journal," we will talk to democrats only. phone lines for our democratic viewers. question -- should congresswoman nancy pelosi remained the house of a cardica leader facing about this week when congress comes back? we want to hear your thought, eastern and central time zones, (202)-748-8000 and mounted and pacific, (202)-748-8001. you can start calling now. he will get to your comments in a minute. ♪

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leader? she is facing a challenge from tim ryan of ohio. we will be talking about that challenge and getting your thoughts on whether you would like to see her continuing to head the democratic party in the house. here is a column in "the washington post" -- "tampa democrat to bring in some fresh blood -- time for democrats to bring in some fresh blood." nancy pelosi will be 77 next year after deputy, 78, jim clyburn. their current age is if combined 1780 seven, the year george washington presided over the signing of the constitution. it is about time for them to go is what dana milbank writes. tim ryan, the congressman from ohio, has announced his bid to leave the democratic party in the house, among the points he makes in his letter to his colleagues, which he released in the last two weeks since he

announced was this -- "what we are doing right now is not working. under current leadership, democrats have been reduced to our smallest minority since 1929. this should indicate to all of us that keeping our leadership team completely unchanged will simply lead to more disappointments in future elections. at this time, a fear and dissolution may, we go into our constituency to bring a new voice and to leadership." congressman tim ryan hopes to read that voice and has been making the rounds, talking about , including fox news, which he will show you his appearance last week. we want to get to your calls. democrats in this segment. robison illinois -- rod is an illinois -- rob is an illinois. caller: i think they are passing up a huge opportunity if they take out pelosi. i work at an exchange in downtown chicago.

if they move farther right, sigh, father left, which is what we see over the fight to the dnc chair, i think they are missing the huge opportunity to potentially capture part of the republican base and a lot of the resources there. there's just so much confusion that trump was winning. a lot of people have voted republican more firmly and they were against term for that reason. i think moving farther left is a huge opportunity there. youngstown,an from ohio, one of those blue-collar district that went for donald trump. here is tim ryan's appearance on fox news from last week. [video clip] ryan: i think there is an appetite for change within our caucus. i think people are saying, look, maybe if there is one third of the voters in our caucus, it is probably the one third daughter in the closest elections of anyone in our entire caucus, and i think -- probably one third in

our closest elections of anyone in that entire caucus and i think how close does it have to get? we have the lowest number we have had in our caucus since 1929. the question is, how bad does it have to get before we recognize we have a change? there is a lot of working-class people in congressional districts like mine that are brown, gay,, straight, and they want economic opportunity and do not see the democratic party as getting it to them. >> if you were named minority leader, what changes would you bring that she does not have on the table right now? tim ryan: emphasis. retype about minimum wage for people don't want a minimum wage job. that is not what people want. they want a middle-class job, a have awhere they can solid pension, go on vacation and also have the work life balance where they are not working 80 hours a week to make

ends meet. within our caucus, we are not tapping into the talent that we have in our caucus. people feel like they don't have an opportunity and we need to raise the profile tn democrats and give them a platform to be rock stars in our party. youngfile for our democrats and give them a platform to be rock stars in our party. host: we are talking to democrats only, do you think there should be a change in the house leadership structure? lavela is in illinois. democrat, good money. caller: good morning. i am in bellevue, illinois. i think there should be a change because i think tim ryan can rejuvenate the younger generation into registering to vote and turning out at the polls. i think we do need a change. host: really in hollywood, florida, talking to just democrats. in hollywood, florida, talking to just democrats. caller: we don't need no change.

though they think they need is to get out of the bed with the devil and find them from cheating. host: what do you mean by being in bed with the devil? we lost willy. john, go ahead. caller: i am glad you were running that fox interview with tim ryan. asked some policy questions and was asked opinions on issues and that was fine. i am a democrat and i watched msnbc and 24 hours ago, tim ryan was on with i guess her name was joined reid, and she was ofiously a big supporter clinton and pelosi and she never asked tim ryan anything about what he wanted to do about this or that. all she asked him pretty much was, how dare you challenge nancy pelosi? i was insulted as a democrat to hear that. she had no idea -- i'm sorry, she may no consideration that he might have better ideas.

to just thought he was horrible because he dared to criticize nancy pelosi. host: we showed that interview with tim ryan. this is nancy pelosi before thanksgiving, talking about the letter she circulated to her house democratic colleagues, asking for their vote to remain as house minority leader. [video clip] nancy pelosi: yesterday, i formally wrote to my colleagues to continue the honor of serving as minority leader, to be a strong voice for hard-working families and to hope the values we cherish as americans that house democrats must be unified, strategic and unwavering. those same tributes served us well in 2006, when we won the house, and i'm hopeful that i believe they will do so again. we are elected to fight for jobs , families, and for the future of the american people. . exciting and very honored by the

support i have received from the colleagues and as always, i say i take pride in being the head of my caucus. it is not a rubber stance, it has all the enthusiasm that it and i'm happy to be listening to what they have to say. ryan onlyressman tim received a handful of his colleagues coming out and saying they will support him. who knows what happens behind-the-scenes. , and that handful who have expressed -- among the handful of support, is congressman, a democrat from texas, here is his post over the weekend on why he supports tim ryan for minority leader. he says "the best way forward to the democratic caucus is to on the intellect, passion, talent and experience of every single member.

. host: that is beto o'rourke. janice in nevada. caller: it really doesn't matter anymore who is going to take that position. may have aamericans, lot bigger fish to fry and have to understand why some of the other people are being appointed in the position that they are being put in when they are known to be racist and hateful people. host: janice, you are talking

about concerns with the trump nominees? caller: that is correct. host: go ahead. caller: that is ok. thank you, but i just feel at this point in time, it really doesn't matter. we need to start looking at what is really happening and who he has put into his cabinet right now. right now, it is very clear that these people have said "no, this is who we are, this is what we believe in, this is what we do, and we look to hit people," and that doesn't make sense to me. host: we will spend a lot of time in the future on donald trump's cabinet. i want to focus on the house structure leadership and get our viewers thoughts on that process. that vote is expected this week when congress returns to that building on your screen. ray is in new mexico. go ahead. caller: hello.

i believe congressman cosi -- pelosi should stay because it is like the chief operating officer of the country. members of the executive council and those younger people you talk about, tim ryan, those other younger lower leaders.be cosi stays in the top tier and pelosiere other views -- stays on the top tier and then there are other views. host: you want pelosi to bring younger voices? caller: exactly. host: let's go to rose in ohio. the craft, good morning. caller: good morning. is that from away youngstown? caller: hop, skip and a jump. host: what do you know about tim ryan? caller: i really like him, and i

think that he should be appointed. we have to get some youth in here and someone stronger. not that i don't like nancy pelosi, but i think we need a change. .his collection just stumped me we just have to do something else and go another way. host: some information about congressman tim ryan. he is a seventh term member and started as a junior aid to his colorful congressman tim traficant in 1997. in tim ryan's early career, he had a moderate political profile, according to the scene and profile on him. he was raised catholic, and in 2015, he attended an editorial explaining that over the quest of his time in congress and since becoming a father, his

views have evolved. "i believe we must trust women and families, not politicians, to make the best decisions for their lives." " rating fromn "a' the national rifle association in 2003, and now, ryan stresses his support for extending background checks, ra and those on government no-fly list from buying guns and other measures. alex in san bernardino, california. do you think nancy pelosi should remain customer credit party leader? caller: i do not. i think the democratic process -- democratic party needs to be revamped. had only candidate and hillary clinton. they basically prove they don't prove that -- they don't approve of the democratic party and there are disenfranchised

workers and basically turned their back on them. the people have spoken that the current democratic party is to , especially as a black millennial, i think we look over to having something more progressive, such as bernie sanders keith ellison to move forward. host: anthony, north las vegas. you are on "the washington journal." caller: good morning. i concur with the last caller. he said everything i thought. andad very weak leadership hillary clinton. it is time for new blood. a lot of people actually crossed over and voted for trump for reasons like trade and things like that. as a 40 seven-year-old african-american, i have watched our jobs get sucked out of this country. i'm a member of the electricians union, and it is terrible what is happening.

i have been unemployed a lot under president obama. our jobs have been outsourced. and to be a candidate represented by wall street, which wants to do that, it does not make any sense to say your for the working men and taking about $2 million a day from wall street. i never bought that from the beginning. i was distressed listening to clinton and many of the democrats that are backed by wall street. it is time for them to move away from that or they will lose everything. host: when you talk about the need for new blood, is a seventh term congressman who started on capitol hill and has been in congress since mid-20's, is tim ryan the right fit you are looking for? he holds many positions bernie sanders holds. you cannot say that you are

against these trade deals and taking money from wall street. it just does not line up. i never bought the line from her she she was against -- that was against wall street are would crack down on wall street. you would've had to be literally not thinking at all to buy that line from clinton. you just have to follow the money. i take part in a lot of closed door meetings being the union that theyd i know make deals with the behind closed doors, and the democrat party has to change or they will lose all of us. host: a few tweets. @windmill --

host: we want to hear your thoughts, democratic viewers. surely, georgia. go ahead. say that i love nancy pelosi but i believe at this point in time that democrats need new leadership, whether it is tim ryan, i am not sure because i don't know enough. i do want to see new faces and other leaders and not just the same leaders we have had for the last 20, 25 years. host: if not tim ryan, who is a leader who has jumped out to you, shirley? caller: i don't know exactly the leader. there are some rising leaders that have not made it that far yet. leaders that look forward

to in the future. host: dana milbank in his column notes that democrats of benefit from some fresh blood to take on donald trump, the oldest president ever elected for the first time, and could also use fresh blood to revive enthusiasm did notllennials who turn out in the numbers democrats needed in this collection. he writes also that the campaign for the 2016 collection, the amocrats -- they insisted on strategy of tying the two public and to trump, even though evidence showed it would not work. [indiscernible] malcolm in tennessee. go ahead. caller: i am trying to figure out how i am going to teach my grandson about all the stuff that is going on, but you've got

hillary clinton lying about this and all this stuff and it is flat, my grandson is asking questions. host: are you a democrat? caller: yes, i am a democrat. [indiscernible] i am thinking of going to the other side if i can't teach my grandson to uphold the standards . host: is there somebody in the democratic party you think embodies those standards you would like to teach her grandson? well, just like hillary clinton, all this lying and stuff going on. likeg like my grandson is -- he is trying to figure out

who should i vote for when he gets of age? host: a lot of democratic members of congress are being asked to they will vote for for house minority leader, the election taking place this week. we'll have full coverage on c-span. horatio in-- florida. caller: i would like to supplant -- to express my support for mr. tim ryan. pelosi has failed the american people and democratic party on majority and minority. host: what do you like about tim ryan? well, he has put his name in the hat to oppose pelosi, which is a favor. host: do you like he stepped

forward? caller: host: indeed. in norths go to brent carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. the term these congressmen, senators and speakers have stayed so long in our government . it seems like on face value, they always talk about jobs. raleigh is hit hard because it is a furniture town, you havehey move out, to go to the service industry and we don't get paid enough. i do think they need to make the minimum wage. any idea -- anybody who hasn't a career in politics -- she has been 20, 30, 40 years? host: since 1987 in the california district. caller: well, they talk of --

and the poor people. they do not know america. they do not know us. on face value they talk about these things to get you to vote, but when you look at the policies and politics and on the gays, lesbians are immigration. on the immigration part, it has immigrantshat most that come about democrat. if you are a democrat and house speaker, or do not want that controlling voting? as far as nancy pelosi, i think personally she has had her time. a new blood needs to come in. this new generation growing up has more experience in what everyday living as and reality is important. host: nancy pelosi has been a member of congress since the late 1980's. tim ryan in his seventh term right now. a lot of discussion right now on capitol hill and in the wake of donald trump's victory on the issue of term limits.

should members of congress be limited in the number of terms they serve in the house or senate? paul came in "the washington post" with a story, noting that of all the promises made on the campaign trail, president-elect donald trump out to pass a constitutional amendment to oppose term limits that might do the most on team. mitch mcconnell dismissed the .dea a few days later, house speaker paul ryan gave the proposal attempted endorsement as he indicated it would be up to the house committee to consider the proposal. it is noted that what remains to be seen is whether donald trump uses the pressure to get congress to adopt the idea, along with other proposals he and failed in colorado. to give you a sense of the age and how on members of congress have been around or held their seats, of the one hundred senators, 64 have served their seats or served in their seats

for less than 10 years. one decade ago, 17 senators had served more than 25 years in the chamber. today, nine have served one quarter of the century. on the house side, a turnover. sincehan 140 have served january 2009, when president obama first to the oath of office. time for a few more calls. democrats only. sharing is in florida. go ahead. caller: hello. host: go ahead. -- ir: nancy pelosi definitely think she should not be reelected. she is an example of what is wrong with the democratic party. i have been a lifelong democrat. i consider myself a left-wing democrat. i have had trouble until bernie came along. bernie was my choice. however, my own party decided to eliminate him as a candidate.

for the first time ever, i voted for trump for candidate for president. clearlyit was laid out in his book, what has gone on with the democratic party and how to have abandoned their base and the fact that people have blindly trusted them all these years and when are people going to wake up? that is my position on this. host: share and do you consider yourself a democrat? youare correct --sharon, consider yourself a registered democrat? caller: i may go independent. i am back-and-forth on the issue right now. i have always voted for the person -- never voted republican because -- at least not on the presidential level, because i like to see the candidate that will do the best job. i think term limits are as good as dead on that issue because i

think it is important to build relationships within congress and get to know people and know who is trustworthy and he was working for the good of the people and not for self-interest, as i believe nancy pelosi has, and many other people in congress. experienceis the with a good idea. i would like to see the revolving doors stop. thate heard them addressed issue, at least limiting it in terms of how long you have to wait to serve on either side after being one or the other, lobbyists or congressman. host: another one of those reform proposals. we will see how receptive congresses to that and others. joey, arkansas, go ahead. go ahead, jerry. caller: how are you doing? host: doing well. yes.r: ok, on nancy, she should step down.

democrats, the reason that they -- what they had done here is they assumed everybody is a lying cheater like most of the officials. the best thing for our party to do is to go after hillary clinton and other corrupt officials in our party, including the president. that is what i think. i did not vote democrat this time and i am ashamed of our party. that is what i have to say. host: when is the last time you did vote democrat and when is the last time you did not feel ashamed about your party? caller: well, probably it has been about five years. to be honest with you. host: did you vote for president obama? who you just called for an investigation on question mark

-- investigation on. caller: i did not. i had not registered. i was in tennessee at the time. the time,was about and i cannot vote. the king was running against him -- mccain was running against him. host: who is the democrat you got good voting for? the clintonsed for twice. bill clinton twice, me and my wife. we are not going to sit around. we have a doctor. she has -- we have a daughter. as far as popularity with their class, what are we going to tell our children about this corruption? isn't that what the world hates about america? i we supposed to tell our daughter this is what she should be proud of? i would like to swap hillary clinton myself. host: let's go to hendrick -- i would like to slap hillary clinton myself. host: let's go to henry and west

virginia. caller: i do think nancy pelosi should not be reelected. i thought she should have stepped down after she lost the .peakership for her own sake i admired nancy pelosi. i think she is entitled to credit for what the house it did on health care bills. i was sorry to see them fold and barack obama gutted the health care bill, but i think listening to a lot of people today make it clear that the democratic party has lost the support and admiration of a lot of people. i do not think tim ryan is necessarily the best replacement . i think he is probably just more of the same in the younger package, but i do not know whom i would support. i do like keith ellison. i supported bernie sanders for the nomination. host: keith ellison, the dnc

chairman? caller: yes. host: why you like it? first of all, he is very unconventional in his approach. very oriented toward personal liberty, which i think the democratic party needs to get back to. it would not necessarily be a winning package. a lot ofy, i think grace and background could politicalith the organization that pushed personal liberty as its priority. think the republicans and democrats have lost the focus. host: amy in arizona. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call.

i think nancy pelosi should stay where she is. women in the offices and what i don't understand right the republican side of congress is not being criticized for the obstructionism they created over the past eight years. they more apropos that replace everyone to have had an toice then for the democrats apparently take blame for something that is not their fault. amy, is nancy pelosi doing enough to make that case? especially in light of the results of the election? caller: absolutely i think she is. host: what happened in this collection? -- this election? caller: i think there was an absolute -- it is a false

collection, it was bogus. it was possibly controlled by another country, and if we don't look into that, i think we are incredibly stupid as a country. host: let's go to urging in florida -- irving in florida. caller: hi. good morning. remain orf who should become the house leader, i think cosi -- pelosi has done her time there. even the why don't have the candidate to replace her, i think they should look for younger leadership with newer of changing some of the things that need to be done within the democratic party to move the party forward. i think in lieu of the result of , we have seention

the democratic party needs to do a lot of soul-searching and they need to rebound allies get a lot of younger people involved with ideas that meet the needs of the american people as a whole. i think we have gotten too idea of bigith the and all this lobbyists. these term limits need to be addressed. i believe they should be reduced. andinfluence of lobbyists big campaign contributions made to be curtailed because i think in the long run, no matter who wins, it is these big corporations who donate to the senators and representatives who end up controlling. in the view of many americans, and that leads to a lot of

nonparticipation in the electoral process. that is why i think we elect the president by a minority of the total electoral registered voters. when you consider that nearly half americans do not vote, so in my opinion, we elect a president with a minority vote. host: a few more comments as we ond the last few minutes today's program. fabian writes -- i would love to see cory booker as speaker of the house. kelly b senator cory booker of new jersey. donna westbrook says there are so many other more progressive candidates. we should trust the process of progress and the poet. and someone writes about nancy pelosi -- sorry for her, but she must move aside. jefferson is in new york. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you question mark host: doing well -- how are you?

host: doing well. caller: great. i think nancy pelosi has done a great job leading the democrat party. i think it is unnecessarily divisive for people to really think they will move you leadership in. i think the right thing to do is to have someone run against her and to have new, younger leadership start to move into some of the under -- secondary positions, etc. when policy is good and ready, she will step aside and they will benefit from serving under her come again from her experience, and then be able to lead our party in the new time. host: how long does that take? caller: she is 78, right? i believe -- in line host: i believe she will -- she will be 78. 77 next year, i apologize. caller: 76 right now, even so,

she has been there long time. one caller said earlier that she did a great job. as far as we >> we might've taken greater hits than we would have if she weren't leading our caucus in the house. got two or three more terms. she's got a nice pension. to come up from underneath her and start to include younger leadership. we need to replace some of the people who are just as old as she is. do it that way. caller.is is our last we want to let you know about tomorrow's program. we will be joined by stephen townsend.