i know that there are many more who wish them well. the record is open and i know some additional members will put remarks into the record. but i just want to close by saying that i was proud to serve with all three of them. they are strong advocates for their constituents, they have a strong las vegas for their country, and they are fighters for limited government and individual responsibility and the free enterprise system. they believe very strongly in lower taxes and less government regulation. ey work hard for their families and passing legislation that strengthens american families and most especially, they are all strong believers in a strong national defense and have worked hard for their nation in this body, they

deserve all the accolades they have received this evening and many, many more. and i wish them god speed and great futures with their families and their future endeavors and with that, mr. speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the entleman yields.

for what purpose does the gentleman from virginia seek recognition? mr. goodlatte: i move that the house do now adjourn. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to adjourn. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair the ayes have it. the motion is adopted. accordingly the house stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning for morning hour debate.

holding companies are required to have enhanced supervision. democrats chose again nancy pelosi to serve as minority leader. she defeated ohio representative 130 4-63 votes. after the election, we heard comments from congressman ryan. facts clearly, this did not turn out the way we wanted it to. we knew it would be an uphill

battle. we only had a couple weeks to put this together but we did a pretty good job, my staff, my members who came out publicly for me. i think, quite frankly, we got the message out that we wanted to get out, as democrats we need to talk about economics, the issue that unites us. many have heard me say this and i believe it in my heart if we're going to win as democrats we need an economic message that resonates in every corner of this country. we come out of this leadership election united as democrats to take on the challenges we need going forward. i'm disappointed because i like to win, but i think it was a great discussion for us and i think the party is better off. i'm happy to take questions. >> what message do you think it

sends that about a third of the democratic caucus voted for you? mr. ryan: well, i think you all will speculate a lot about that. talking, economics, people, i think, understood that that message is very, very important to us as democrats, especially leaders on the front lines. and you know, in some way representing 30, 40, 50 seats we're going to need to pick up. i think the message resonated. if you heard marsha and eddie nominate me, they talked about that, being able to compete in every district in the united states with an agenda that resonates with the american people. >> is there any reason why you didn't get enough votes? why people voted against you? mr. ryan: i didn't ask anybody. i didn't want my feelings hurt any more than they already were. let me say, speaker pelosi has been here a long time. she has a lot of friends. this is her caucus clearly.

we had an opinion and we wanted to make sure people heard it. >> do you think the message is getting through to the leadership? do think the message about the heartland is getting through to the leadership? mr. ryan: i think so. a vote of 63 other members agreeing with the message, i would say leadership understands there's a good many people in the caucus who want the message to move in that direction. sorry? >> do you agree that your effort was pathetic? mr. ryan: yeah. not pathetic. i'm proud of having 63 votes. >> those who supported you come from a rural area saying there's no greater divide between urban democrats and rural democrats. and by electing nancy pelosi, [indiscernible]

mr. ryan: we are going to compete. you know, at the end of the day, we've got to figure out how to win. i tried to add to that conversation. we're a united caucus and we're going to figure out how to win. >> before tim continues, let me just say this. i'm hearing the tone of this and i don't think it's very fair. we did not lose today. today we won. we may not have won the position but we won a caucus. we have now a leadership that listens to what we are saying. we have now a leadership that wants to be more inclusive and include more people from this caucus. we have now a leadership that wants to hear what we have to say, what we think went wrong, how we fix it. he didn't lose today. today we made a caucus more responsible to its members. so for that i congratulate him. one-third of the members of this caucus had the courage to come out and say we needed a change.

i congratulate all of them. for those who voted for our leader, i think that's great. i think she's a wonderful leader. but what i do know is when i go home people are going to ask me what did you do to make this better? doing nothing doesn't make it better. today we won because they hear us. >> mr. ryan, do you personally have confidence nancy pelosi can bring this party back to the majority? mr. ryan: yes. yes. >> why do you have confidence in her? mr. ryan: because we're going to work our butts off to make that happen. it is not just nancy pelosi. it's a team that energized a lot of people that want to get out there and contribute. i know walking out of that room today we have a more energized caucus than we had. we obviously have people who have a lot of courage to step up and say to the leadership what

marcia just said and how important that is. i think our prospects have improved because of this conversation. we are a family and sometimes families have to have tough conversations. you can go back to the first couple interviews i did. nobody wants to have them. we try to delay those conversations. we try to ignore them from days, weeks, months, years. but every single time you have that conversation, that tough talk, you come out of there stronger. whether it's a personal relationship or a family event like this and i think we come out stronger than we went in. >> who is the future of the democratic party? mr. ryan: well, i haven't thought about that, casey. >> nancy pelosi? mr. ryan: well, you know, yeah, to some extent, this is our leader. this is who our caucus chose and we're going to support them. >> do you think the problem democrats have in a nut shell, who is going to lead the party for the next four years? mr. ryan: we're all going to

participate in leading the party. it is time for everybody to step up, which is why i wanted to do it. this crew here, a lot of young members stepped up and went public, which is unheard of in a political caucus like this for young people to stand up. we have a lot of people ready to participate. i'll take one more question. >> working class voters who voted for donald trump if your leadership is from san francisco and new york? mr. ryan: well, we're going to have to figure that out. that's going to be part of what we have to figure out. obviously that was my case that i made. you know, we didn't win the day today. but as marcia said, there's a lot more people who are participating. i think the conversation is shifting to a more economic conversation. i think that's going to help all of us and that's going to help us try to be able to win the house back. >> your voice and your ideas will be heard moving forward at this caucus by pelosi? yes.yan: thank you, we have to get back and vote.

>> ohio congressman tim ryan received 63 votes compared to nancy pelosi's 100 34. after the election, democratic leaders of the upcoming 115th congress held a briefing with reporters at the capital. they spoke about the democratic agenda, what can be done to unify the party, and work with republicans in the new congressional sessions. this is 20 minutes. >> congratulations on your election.

>> good afternoon, and welcome. i am congressman joe crowley, the newly elected chair of the democratic caucus. thank you very much, nancy. we have just concluded our caucus meeting where we had the houseunity to elect the democratic leadership for the 115th congress. our proud to announce that colleagues have elected nancy pelosi deserve as our democratic leader. hoyer as our democratic whip, jim clyburn as our democratic leader, and our new vice chair and first woman of color ever elected to the house democratic leadership. i am humbled to serve as the chairman elect of the democratic caucus in the next congress. election day was a very difficult day for all of us. for our country, and our caucus.

juncture, a critical facing unprecedented challenges. the american people sent us a message, and a message that we need to respond to. democrats where the party with ideas and vision. we need to do a better job connecting with people on the ground committee clear they were not listening or could not hear what we had to say. a need to focus on charting path forward for caucus and the american people. it is clear that the group standing with me in front of you is charged by democratic colleagues and we are ready to do just that. we are ready to take on every and any challenge, whether it is fighting on shipping away health care for millions of americans, 20 million having it for the first time in our lives. or the attempt to privatize medicare. liberties, or trying to privatize social security, unraveling regulations to

protect the environment or economy and the american consumer. or anything else that hurts the american people. fightats will be there to our republican colleagues on the president-elect every separate the way. we are going to get to work. with that, it is my honor to introduce to you the democratic leader for the 115th congress, the gentlelady from california, nancy pelosi. -- pelosi: thank you chris thank you very much mr. chairman, and congratulations to you and vice chairman linda sa nchez. we receiver is the first woman of color to serve as an elected leader of the house democratic -- any house caucus. in any event, i am pleased to andd here with mr. hoyer

mr. clyburn. is he brings with them values and ability to communicate values to the public. i associate myself with the distinguished chairman. he gave a great -- a great presentation where we are. we are in a place of urgency for the american people. tohave a responsibility wherewith them, to engage we can't, and oppose where we cannot engage, and also, the opportunity to do great things for the american people. so it is with great pride that i accept the privilege extended to me by my colleagues. so it is with greati just want f agenda,s in the

concerns we have. day that goes by, republicans are making more inroads into undermining medicare. , it is a partdget of their agenda to take away the guarantee of medicare for the american people. they want to voucher rise -- voucherize it. and they are committed to doing just that. our called action to the american people is to tell republicans in congress and the your hands offep our medicare. that is a message that people like to chance. it has never been more urgent and now. ryant to also commend tim for the waves he made as leader.

he was an enthusiastic advocate for his point of view, which is shared by a number of members. i think him for his courtesy extended to me, and i look for to working with him. it is my honor to yield to our distinguished democratic whip, mr. hoyer. mr. hoyer: congratulations to you on your election. we have joe crowley as our chairman of the caucus. nobody does not like joe crowley. he is very popular and our caucus, reaches out. listening.gift of and i'm sure he is going to listen not only to all the members of the caucus, but reflect as well that we are listening to the american people. thank linda sanchez,

she is a younger, dynamic member. she is the chairman of the hispanic caucus and she will bring a respected voice to our leadership that will be very important. i had thearmouth, opportunity to work with. budget, where you put your money is where your values are. the budget is a message. it is a message as to our values. leader pelosi just talked about our values and ensuring that medicare and social security are held harmless and insured for every american that is going forward. address theh will priorities of education, health care, global warming, and other issues of extraordinary importance. the money say something to all of us. people voted for

the agenda that this leadership group represents. millions. we have a responsibility to those millions who did not vote for the agenda that was put forward by donald trump. those whoore than voted for the donald trump agenda, whatever that might be. we have a responsibility. and we will meet that responsibility, we will raise our voices. and as a leader has said, in opposition. when we willtimes cooperate we will cooperate and our values will allow us to do that, we will do that. but we will not shrink from making sure the majority voice of the american people will be heard on the floor the house and in every other forum in this country. we owe that to them and to our children and grandchildren. and, to future generations. now i am pleased to yield to a

great friend of mine for over half a century, he has done just the state of south carolina. a great leader in our country, a great leader in the civil rights movement in the 1960's, and continues to be a strong voice for working americans, a strong voice for making it in america, and a strong voice for equality and opportunity for every american. jim clyburn of south carolina. mr. clyburn: thank you very much mr. whip. thank you so much. vice chair, congratulations to you as well. linda is one of the stars our baseball team. [laughter] friendburn: my longtime john yarmouth, thank you. i learned early in my life what

is expected from those who serve in public office. must pay special attention to those who are in the dawn of their lives, our children. we do so with medicaid and many other programs. and that must be protected. we are also judged by how well we take care of those who are in the sunset, the dust, if you -- if you please, of their lives. we do that through medicare and other programs to make sure they live out their golden years with dignity and respect. our government has a responsibility to take care of all the rest of those who fall in between through a very progressive program that our

whip has just mentioned. voted million more voters for her than those who do not. pockets,there are segments in our population, who sent us a message on election day. and i want to say it to them. and we willived, reply to all. yieldhat, i am pleased to to the new vice chair of house democrats, linda sanchez. [applause] ms. sanchez: it has been a long day, but i am proud to stand with my colleagues here, this is your leadership team for the incoming congress. we have a lot of work to do. we are ready to pick up the tolls, roll up our sleeves, and get to work. , america's focus

working families. as a working mother i understand how difficult it is to balance weily life with work, and hope to make that a little easier for american working families moving forward. i am really honored and emotional to be standing here among a group of great leaders and hoping to add my talents to theirs as we try to move the country in the right direction in the next congress. thank you. it is my privilege to introduce a very good friend of mine on the great state of kentucky come of kentucky, the new ranking member on the budget committee, john yarmouth. mr. yarmouth: thank you, linda. it is a great honor for me to be standing here is part of the leadership team for the 115th congress. i have set on the budget committee for the last six years and watched as republicans have that reducegets investment in the human capital in this country as proposed budgets that do nothing but

accentuate the differences between the wealthiest americans and everyone else. fortunately, those budgets have not gone anywhere. heinous, pauls so ryan's budget, that mitt romney had to disavow it in 2012. i do not expect we will see anything different in the forthcoming congress. but we stand united in standing up for the values democrats have always stood for, and that is to invest in the american people and not in the wealthiest americans in the corporate world. our pledge to continue to do that as ranking member on the budget committee, we will be very aggressive in our communication strategy to make sure the american people know the stark contrast between craddickn budget and values. thank you very much for this great honor, madam leader. i look forward to the next congress.

>> john is one of the most quietly appreciated members of our caucus. i have profound respect for him as a legislator. we really could not be more proud to see him in this capacity. we will open it up to a few questions. >> when you ran against -- he picked up 43 votes. this time there was a three votes for tim ryan. what accounts in your view for the loss of support within the caucus of one third of voters voting for tim ryan? ms. pelosi: i have only said that that i would have to thirds. with all due respect to previous opponents that i have had, none of them -- had an aggressive campaign in the public arena, as you have seen.

confident that the folks i have seen, i feel more liberated than i ever have after such a hard campaign. campaign some on filing and running against u-verse versus the very aggressive campaign. having said that, i commend tim ryan for working with all of our members as we go forward. i could not be prouder. -- i cannotbility be prouder about the responsibility my colleagues have given me. >> [indiscernible] people did not expect a challenge.

[indiscernible] i think i answer that question and i want to go on to the fact that the republicans are trying to end the guaranty of medicare. and that is what is important. how many votes i get in the caucus is about the least important item that we could be discussing when we have so much at risk in this election. i have respect for regional support that members have come a print -- friendships people have. that is how people make their vote. i do not take much of that is personal offense to me. we are a kaleidoscope. one day some of us are in support of a bill or idea, and another day, we turn that we'll and there are different participants in that kaleidoscope.

but i am exhilarated by the support that i have received after such a hardcharging campaign. now it is time for us to go forward. the fact is, i will just tell the fate of our nation, the greatness of america, the character of our country, has been under assault. to allay theo act fears that some people have. we have to communicate more , economich those stability is important and essential to our nation stability and important to us as a priority. outspend our time figuring whether you go on tv and get more votes or do not go on tv and how you feel about that. i feel great, thank you. one of the things people were

discussing after day is not about your position but other , positionsnder you where members are not appointed. i understand the discussion is happening tomorrow, but can you speak to why the system is the way it is and are you open to making it more a left of been appointed? ms. pelosi: that is lovely. tomorrow we are going to have a caucus. our new chairman manages all of this. i will not say business, but the business of the pulpit, very well. and we will be dealing with that tomorrow. we have called for an expansion of those participating in the leadership. the caucus is the ruling body of the house democrats. we will be working out how we go forward. not about division, this

is about bringing people together. >> thank you all very much. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> the trump transition team announced steve mnuchin as treasury secretary and wilbur ross as commerce secretary. spoke to reporters at trump towers, and then we spoke to anthony scaramucci, a leader of the transition team. here is a look.

>> can you go over some of those points, how you will work on the economy, middle-class versus rich? >> i cannot be more honored to serve the president-elect. i have had the opportunity to work with them through the campaign. i cannot be more excited about the opportunity to work with him and the administration. our number one priority is going to be the economy, get back to 3% to 4% growth, we believe that is very sustainable, and focus on things for the american worker, that is absolutely our priority. >> have you get corporations [indiscernible] plan is to: our tax lower corporate taxes, to make u.s. companies the most competitive in the world, making sure we repatriate trillions of dollars back to the united states.

in personal income taxes, the most significant income taxes since reagan. tremendous boost to the economy. experiencehow your with hollywood and wall street will help? many people say you do not have the government experience. mr. mnuchin: let me first say, what i have been focused on is a regional banker for the last eight years. i know what it takes to make sure we can have loans to small and midmarket companies, and that will be our focus. making sure we scale back regulation to make sure the banks are lending. >> we talked about infrastructure. charged with building roads, bridges. how would you go about doing that? a lot of republicans are not prepared to spend that kind of money. mr. mnuchin: it is a priority of the administration. we need to make sure our

infrastructure is built for the 21st century. that we have roads, bridges, power grids and infrastructure that supports this country. that is going to be a big focus. we will work with congress and the different parts of administration to make that happen in the most effective way. at someoing to look public and private partnerships, different types of things. thank you very much. i think it is terrific, the president-elect and vice told carrierct technologies you want to keep jobs here. i cannot remember the last time a president did that. this is going to be a terrific opportunity for myself, wilbur in commerce working with the president, making sure we do the right thing for the american workers. thank you, everybody.

>> i was with secretary designees and wilbur ross and steve mnuchin. i think these guys will be the cornerstone of the trade and , the secretary of labor. we are super excited about it. i cannot think of two better people to not only prosecute the trade plan for the president, but also his future tax plan, which will be first-order business for the secretary of treasury. >> [indiscernible] mr. scaramucci: i know stephen will come down and talk to at some point. we will try to design the plan to make it as revenue-neutral as possible. the big things with these tax studies, they are not dynamically scoring them. so when you get tax cuts to filter down into the population, you pick it up on income taxes every as an example, if you keep

1000 jobs for the carrier corporation and leave them in indiana, that is an increase, at least not a decrease in your tax state. the idea is to use the tax policy to create more middle-class jobs and wage growth for the working class. the combination of those two things, i think you will see with dynamic scoring, we should ave a revenue -- deficit-neutral issue. another thing about our tax policy, we will repatriate money offshore, bring it back here to help our manufacturing base. and with an extreme focus on the middle class and working class families. arrangement,f this will people be completely confident? mr. scaramucci: 1000%. you should also focus on don mccann, he is a phenomenal

lawyer, working alongside the president-elect. i think the tweets this morning are indicating the president-elect has the confidence about that policy put in place. i do not want to steal mr. trump's or the children's thunder on that. i want to assure all of you, we are getting this right to the american people. at age 70, after the phenomenal life in building this phenomenal business and this great tower, he is going to be 100% focused on working for the american people of the united states. >> [indiscernible] companies should expect the tax break. the whole purpose of what we're doing here is, we have the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. we have to get those corporate tax rates down to a competitive

position so that if you are a cfo or coo of an american corporation and looking at how to allocate your capital, you will allocate the capital into the united states. i am hoping they are getting signal thatingle -- we have to get american people back working in american jobs. i hope that that is the case, that that is the signal. -- >> [indiscernible] mr. scaramucci: we have not seen the schedule, so i do not know. >> [indiscernible] mr. scaramucci: the vice president elect is still the current governor of indiana. as president-elect, he does not have federal powers at this point. persuasionusing his with carrier. but i think the governor was heavily involved, and making sure that was a package of proposals put forward for

carrier. they will lose about $65 million by keeping those jobs in the united states, but they see a lot of public relations benefits and they send a message to people that we are all going to work together on behalf of the american middle class. >> what is your sense of how many people that are still in the running? are you advising him? mr. scaramucci: that is outside of my purview, i am on the executive transition team. i am more focused on the economy. i am good friends with several the candidates including mitt .omney i just want to say about all these people, they are consistent with what mr. trump once on the executive committee. a++" players.nts " "a++,"ranscripts are

let's put it that way. >> [indiscernible] mr. scaramucci: you have to remember, they do fit the outsider bill in the sense they have never worked in washington. what i would say to you, what we are trying to do on the transition team level is put a great blend together in a sense you want some people who are insiders and understand the system, and outsiders are the creative thinkers and disruptors. if you can get that blend right, you can affect change in washington. if you put too many of one or the other you get status quo providers and nothing will change. too many disruptors, washington has a very healthy immunological system, and there will be organ rejection if you put too many status quo disruptors in washington. we are trying to get that blend right. which is why the picks of stephen bannon and race previous -- reince priebus, are great.

sense of the american people and what is going on in the heartland. >> [indiscernible] it depends on: how you define populist. if you're talking about a administration focused on the potential for the united states , and mr.merican people trump wants to be president for everyone which includes the working class and middle class, then i guess by that definition. but it depends on your definition of populist. there is a misnomer, a pejorative. i do not see it that way. the people i grew up with, the working class people of the united states, they need a break and we need to switch them from andg to the working class working poor into the aspirational working-class, of which my dad was a member of. i will take one more question. >> [indiscernible]

all this dynamic scoring means we will lower taxes. if everything stays constant you will have a reduction in revenue. if you filter through the multiplier effect of us lowering taxes, which means potentially increase in jobs and higher income taxes for the workers, there will be more jobs coming back into the united states. the combination of those dynamics as a result of lower taxes, should lead to greater growth. taxes, interesting about and business people understand this better than most, taxes are a price for services. we have to very careful when you are a politician, raising taxes you are actually raising the price of services. and if those are not worth the price you are charging, people start to defect from your services. they move out of state or move factories offshore. we do not want that. we want the american people,

from the ceo to the common worker, know that we are working for business. thank you. >> president-elect donald trump hold a rally thursday in cincinnati to thank supporters. that is live at 7:00 eastern on c-span two. tonight on c-span, a forum on national security. speakers include representative mac thornberry, house of the armed services committee. cardin and senator ben sasse and general joseph hotel -- votel. >> c-span's washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up thursday morning, texas democratic congressman

discusses the leadership election, and the future of the affordable care act in the trump administration and the congress. billll also talk about his to abolish the electoral college. charlie todd's about the elections and the legislative agenda. he will also discuss the trump candidate and leadership takes. and we will talk about policy funding for hiv and aids, and where ending the epidemic stands today. watch at 7:00 a.m. eastern thursday morning. join the discussion. >> follow the transition of government on c-span as donald trump becomes the 45th president of the united states and republicans maintain control of the u.s. house and senate. we will take you to key events as they happen, without interruption. watch live on c-span.

watch on-demand that www.c-span.org or listen on our free c-span radio app. >> thank you. welcome to congress. >> now, house armed service mac thornberry on military readiness. he took part in a daylong forum security, postdated by the foreign-policy initiative. this is 40 minutes. >> thank you, chris. this is great for me to be here with you and chairman thornberry. we will have a conversation that will touch on a number of topics and we will take some questions. i want to talk first about readiness. before i ask you the first question, we are going to talk about current readiness of the military. i think we can safely say that the report is not very good at all. a lot of things you could say in the last two years are

responsible for that. a lot of agencies. but not the house armed services committee. we are grateful for your leadership and the consistent way you have stood up for american security. welcome. mr. thornberry: i appreciate it. thought i would give you an opportunity to talk about the personal tour you have engaged in recently in a number of american military installations. i think you followed some of those abroad. and, asked a lot of questions and learned a lot of things. but we want to talk readiness issues. so maybe even talk about what you found what the implications are. mr. thornberry: thank you. i appreciate your kind words. but i have to say, i did not fully appreciate the state of our readiness. and, the damage that has been

sequestration, by the high pace of operations, a combination of factors. i started talking with the people who were trying to live with it every day, and as you mentioned, earlier in the year i started traveling to various installations here at ,ome, talking to pilots aircraft maintainers and others. you justheir stories, cannot forget. for example, one of the pilots f-18, and over to his said ronald reagan sent this claim to bomb qadhafi in 1986. flightng when i was in hit part of the plane, i had damage, we could not get the part to fix it. this was the pilot talking. i am taking my family through a

anitary museum and seeing f-18 on static display in the museum, and get the bright idea that maybe i could borrow apart from the museum aircraft. so he had to work his way through the museum bureaucracy and the dod bureaucracy to make this happen. took apart off the museum theraft, it turned out holes were drilled in inappropriate places. the early 1980's it did not exactly fit. he had to come up with a plan b. but as i continue to talk with others getting planes out of the boneyard -- and that extends beyond the flying. from a had testimony navy captain, his ship was tied -- couldk so they can take 13 parts of it to put on other ships that they had to deploy right away. so what we are doing is .annibalizing

and what goes with that, we do not have enough aircraft available for training. our folks are not getting the training they're supposed to get. so you get this cycle that is headed downward. until you talk -- one other thing. you have these old aircraft, to stay with airplanes for a second. you are really stressing your maintainers to keep them flying. say,ke to maintainers who i am not seeing my family any more at home than i was when i was deployed because we are literally working seven days a week, often 12 hours a day. the depots get backed up and there is a cycle that just gets worse and worse. followed one, i squadron to the middle east. i thought of problems they were having getting ready to deploy.

once they got over there they took a plane to borrow stuff. enough experienced eyelids so they had to manage the experienced pilots and less experienced pilots in their missions. are they bombing isis? in this case, yes. is it an incredible stress on the force? yes. it takes its toll over time. i think what we are seeing, and is not just anecdotes, you're seeing it in accident rates for all the services going up. ,ou're seeing consequences these readiness shortfalls. and we have got to turn it around. last thing i will say is, it is morally wrong to send people out on missions for which they are not fully supported and fully prepared. kind of doing it.

we are not fully supporting them, and that is wrong. we have to turn it around, no matter what. mr. talent: that is a powerful statement. as you know, if those problems are existing across all the we know the day-to-day readiness is one of the last things this system wants to sacrifice, because it is embarrassing to everybody. if they are sacrificing that, what is it say about the long-term readiness issues that you have also talked about so far? we thornberry: i do think make a mistake, both the military and those around it, by seeing readiness as some sort of a code for our unit. it is broader. the only way you're going to make some of these aircraft squadrons ready is to get them airplanes. thecan only do so much with

1980's that are way beyond their flying hours. i do think it is important to look at readiness more broadly. units, but individuals, and also, our capability to deal with the variety of threats for high-end, to others that we face. mr. talent: the irony is that this is happening because of the desire to save money. and yet it will cost so much more, as you know. and you warn of the colleagues it is cutting off your nose to spite your face. getting a concentration of energy to do something about it is a lot harder. mr. thornberry: it is like not fixing a roof. one day you will have water in your house. just think about the cost of that. that is a small example we can all relate to.

across the military that is what we are facing. mr. talent: i love your example. when we do finally take these platforms offline, some will show up at the antiques roadshow. and they will say, what can i sell this for? you got to laugh or cry. we have a new president coming in. have a new president coming in. what i thought was an outstanding defense speech with a very good defense plan over the summer, i would love for you to come on if you want to, but one of the things i like is the emphasis in it not just on capabilities on technological, the technological edge that we are losing and need to maintain, but he did focus on numbers, capacity, and there has been a tendency in the last few years, the defense panel and others, for people to get so in love with