stop of donald trump's tour of states he won in the election. we will bring you back here live as soon as donald trump arrives. until then, a look back at the 2016 elections and what a future trouble administration could look like. syndicated columnist and television host, michelle malkin. good morning. guest: thanks for having me. new -- at is this guest: i think the time has come for an entity like this. i've had a split -- a foot in old and new media. and investigative anw which is -- it is really engine that has motivated me for so long. most people know me from yelling

at people on the other side of the lyrical i'll put 13 years -- side of the political aisle. i did that for 13 years. i worked for two major metropolitan newspapers. i had the freedom in my columns to do much more of news breaking that you don't get to do in a three or four minute exit on cable news. i've got four episodes. this is where i have been because i stepped back from the limelight. into some of the same topics i covered over the course of my syndicated news column career and my books. incredible first two parts -- first two-part series on a former police officer who was convicted a year ago this weekend.

december 10 is the anniversary of the announcement of his verdict. it made fleeting national news because he broke down into tears when the verdict was announced. who covered the news coverage assumed he was guilty and he was crying because he got caught. and i have come to the breachion that a massive of justice has taken place. e racket that sal is endemic of this one because it is a program that has been turned into a reward program for

political cronies, essentially program toen card benefit large real estate interests and people who have ties to the highest levels of government. as a program that has been tied , thehemes that harry reid departing harry reid, was involved in, as well as a number of republicans as well. take -- peopleme can take a look at all of your work at your website. we pulled an excerpt from peter hiel, but you said this was the most important speech of the 2016 election. [video clip] >> i do not agree with everything donald trump has said or done, and i do not think millions of other people have

either. nobody think his comments about women were set up very they were crew -- were acceptable. they were clearly unacceptable. but i do not think voters pull a lever to endorse candidates' flaws. it is not a lack of judgment that leads americans to vote for trump. we are voting for trump because we judge the leadership of our country to have failed. this judgment has been hard to accept for some of the country's most fortunate, socially prominent people. it certainly has been hard to accept for silicon valley. many people there have learned to keep quiet if they dissent from the coastal old. louder voices have sent a message that they do not intend to tolerate the views of one half of the country. this intolerance has taken on some bizarre forms.

the advocate, the magazine which once praised me as a gay innovator, even published an article saying that as of now i "not a gay man" because i do not believe in their politics. a line could not be made more clear. if you do not conform then you do not count as diverse the matter what your personal background. thiel.eter why was this the most important speech of 2016? i think he so eloquently threw down the gauntlet on decades of extremist identity politics, not only being able to instill for so many independent truck voters why they chose trump over the rest of the massive field for president, but

,e also took a very brave stand as he did at the convention when he gave his landmark speech, rejecting the boxes. it is only more of the coastal bottle elites in the mainstream tuned in to c-span and take less than an hour of their time to listen to what he said at the national press club, all caps they would not have been so shellshocked when the results of the election came in. you have had this reflexive , theirng of voters how theys, ideology, feel about minorities, and that is and out of the closet gay man in a progressive, liberal silicon valley basically throwing off the ideological

shackles of conformist, orthodox democrat policy. you have had your own exchanges with donald trump. in 2013 he called you a dummy and said you were born stupid. guest: well, we all are. even i fell into the trap of being baited and perceiving these throw off we as more than what they were. was i raging mad about it. i was warning people several wass ago that donald trump essentially a cancer, and i do not see the big picture. and that was my mistake. i think a lot of my friends in the sort of proclaimed obstinate and never trump camp did not see

it either. host: why were so many so wrong? guest: well, with regard to donald trump's percent on twitter, i think mistaking that media persona for the real man, a businessman who has been in the public eye and in the corporate world for some -- what? -- 30 years, 40 years now? i think there was too much of a knee-jerk response to the celebrity as opposed to the man who became a political maverick. and for me, of course, because immigration enforcement and national sovereignty have been so important to me since i started my career, certainly covering the issue in los angeles, writing my first book "invasion," which presaged i

think the same for the selection, the need for systemic enforcement and idea are preservation rests on making sure we have a system of as donald trump calls it "extreme vetting," that that is what persuaded me it was worth the gamble. with jeff sessions, something i never imagined would have been possible, yes, i have to place cautious but optimistic trust in the administration. host: "time" magazine person of the year is donald trump. here is the cover. the editor in chief says the year 2016 was the year donald trump's rise and 2017 will be the year of his rule. what will that look like? what would the trump white house

and governing style look like? like we have seen so far? guest: i think so. i think this transition has been orderly and efficient, contrary to the chicken-little analysis from the never-trumpers in the washington press corps. and a lot of it has been very satisfactory to the core base of trump supporters. i think the jeff sessions pick signals to people that he is absolutely serious about the sovereignty agenda that i think a large part of it put him in office. on the other hand, this is a man who over the years has wavered on certain issues and also i think has only been recently introduced to some of the policy issues that are very important to people.

i will give you a specific example. the education nominee is the wife of richard devos, the couple involved in republican politics for a long time in michigan. donald trump has said to grass-roots parents that he would "end common core," and yet betsy devos, all she was active in education policy and was on the wrong side of that in michigan, not merely voicing words of support for the common core regime, but backing it with her money. so of course, like many supporters of comic or who have changed their mind, she says she is against it but will have to prove to parents that it is more than a convenient pivot.

host: if you want to read one of the most recent articles by michelle malkin, looking back at the election, but also, the eight years of the obama presidency. let's get to your calls and comments with our guest michelle malkin, her work available online at the site michellemalkin.com. host: go ahead. caller: i really hope that trump can do a good job based on his ability to manipulate and then all the other things that he does. i do not trust a person that can't admit their mistakes. he is the epitomy of capitalist republican white males come and i hope heale, and stops picking on people.

i do think he has a character disorder of some type, and i hope it doesn't play that way. we have come too far in country to give it all up to him. like martin luther king said, all the blacks ever the wanted was jobs, jobs, jobs. that is what people want. it gives them identity, self-esteem. you know, all this other stuff, we all want jobs and we all want this country to get back working. do not forget it was the businessmen that opened up china and built general electric. host: thank you. guest: jobs, jobs, jobs. and i think in substance and in message and style donald trump has used this transition period

to signal that in fact that it is a priority for him. and as much as free-market conservatives, as i have counted myself for a long time, might be somewhat troubled by the intervention in the carrier deal, it is another significant historical milestone, i think, because for as long as i have covered politics in the last quarter century, the idea of a president-elect forging a deal to save rank-and-file jobs at a manufacturing plant -- i know it has been characterized as crony capitalism, but there's no political crony involved. even given the caveats of course that carrier has a lot of

military contracts that were at stake, there was an instinct here on donald trump's part to save american jobs. and he did it, and you can quibble about how many jobs he has saved but this is a story of , an american company, and i did the chapter on carrier in my history book from last year, and i think it is worth reminding people that the american manufacturing sector is alive and well in this country, and the caller mentioned black workers and their need for jobs and some sort of self-fulfillment. they are saying the jobs of carrier belonged to people of all races and political backgrounds and ideologies and i think it is incredibly significant. host: this is a minor story but

getting headlines. this is from "the washington post," donald trump will maintain a financial stake in "the apprentice," and will be the executive producer. it returns to nbc on january 2, asd the new host, arnold schwarzenegger, takes over. guest: i want to talk about the role being a celebrity played into putting donald trump in the political stratosphere. i think he used his celebrity in a strategic way. there is a paradox because all of the biggest celebrities in the world cannot save hillary clinton. i think there was a rejection of hollywood elites who presumed to tell their viewers and fans how they should think, who they should vote for, and to quote my friend laura ingram, there was

certainly a referendum on that overreach in entertainment, and as she always said, these people should just shut up and sing. host: is she the new white house press secretary? guest: we will have to see. i saw her yesterday and have known her a long time. i told her that it would be pay-per-view popcorn viewing. we watch it here on c-span. i would love to see her. i think she would be the most qualified person to handle the white house press corps. but these are really momentous decisions to make. just as human beings, we think of our public figures as so accessible to the public and that it would be such an easy thing to sort up reorient your entire life. she is a wonderful mother and she has got incredible businesses that she runs, as

well. but i would love it. host: john joins us from wisconsin, also on the democrat line for michelle malkin. good morning. thank you for waiting. caller: yes, i had one thing to say about donald trump. i mean, a lot of people that voted for him do not understand that it takes a lot -- a long time to learn government. government is a business, just like a regular business, and it takes a long time to learn it. there is a lot of things that donald trump doesn't know, and i could tell by the people he is putting in there that they have credentials, but they don't have any background as far as government business is concerned. guest: well, i agree that government is a business, but donald trump has assembled a very experienced team. i think the tricky part of it is

to recruit people who have that experience who are in, but not of washington, and to try and avoid this landmine, almost the cognitive dissonance of trying wanting toing -- drain the swamp that needing people who have been in the swamp a long time to navigate the murky waters. host: we will go from chet, republican line, also in wisconsin. caller: michelle, your parents must be so proud. i would like to prove there was a quid pro quo with the clinton foundation. if you take an audit of the donations of the hundreds and thousands of dollars and the millions of dollars going into the clinton foundation before the election and then do it after the election, also, wouldn't you love to see the list of cancellation of clinton guest: that sounds like a job for a good investigative

reporter, sounds like the next "michelle malkin investigates" episode. host: let's go to the independent line from arizona. good morning. gwendolen, you with us? caller: thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead. caller: i think donald trump is going to do a fairly good job. when he was campaigning, he talked about one his priorities was to change infrastructure for the ghettos, and i thought that was excellent. obama was in office for eight years and he did nothing, especially for the people in his hometown in chicago. i think he has a dream.

his dream is to make america great again, and i think he is going to follow through with some of the things he has said. people are coming over from india, and they are getting grants for hotels, and the black community is living in the ghettos, like living in world war ii. that is crazy. people are living on food stamps. they have to decide whether or not they want to sell drugs that they just to live. it is awful. i think he will do a good job. host: thank you. guest: i think it was significant that in the last days of the campaign, while hillary was chilling, donald trump was in detroit. this fly in the face of the full fair to, the fake news, from so much of that liberal progressive media that donald trump was this unrepentant racist who did not care about minorities, and the fact is that his message was a universal one that appealed to any american, whatever their

color, who has aspirations and who believes and still believes in social mobility in america, and eight years of hope and change enriched a lot of people at the expense of so many of the constituencies that the democrat party always pays lip service to. so there are so many pathologies in the inner cities that have been run for decades by democrats, who have enriched themselves, again, at the expense of their own constituencies, and that covers every aspect of their lives from the economy, to the schools, and certainly to law enforcement. and another i think very significant and substantive gesture that donald trump has taken that signal that a new sheriff was in town was his reaching out to their widows and families of law enforcement

officers in this transition period who have been killed. the war on cops over the last eight years has leveled a devastating death toll that has not gotten nearly as much attention in the press as it should. host: we welcome our radio audience on c-span radio. our guest is michelle malkin, a multidimensional journalist, author, a syndicated columnist, and also now with a a new television series on tv. let me ask about senator harry reid, officially stepping down, we covered his farewell ceremony yesterday. this morning, he has written an op-ed for "the new york times," "farewell, their senate,"

saying ending the filibuster was the right thing to do and will be replaced by senator chuck schumer, democrat from new york. listen to what nancy pelosi said. [video clip] ms. pelosi: i worked with harry reid for more than a decade. to observe harry is to observe a master at work. his commitment to his values and his respect also, for his colleagues. harry had many occasion to evaluate the leadership and courage of our colleagues. in all of my years, more than 10 working with harry, he always spoke in the most glowing, respectful and understanding way about all of the senators. and republican senators, as well. very respectful with everyone's point of view. the constituents they represented, never, never anything but the finest word. guest: that is fake news right there.

i think that any half-alert denizen of the beltway swamp, harry reid has conducted himself in a manner that might most politely be called brass knuckles thuggery, and certainly, the victims of his rhetoric and his actions over the years can attest to that. but i think this says as much about nancy pelosi as it does about harry reid, and this very -- this is a very stubborn and amazing and surreal attempt to rewrite the history in front of our noses. tom cotton, the senator from arkansas, correctly described harry reid's political behavior as "cancerous." and i wish there had been a rebuttal to that elegy. host: let me ask you about the news, the outgoing senate

, hillary clinton said -- [video clip] mrs. clinton: let me mention one threat that should concern all americans, democrats, republicans, and independence alike, especially those who serve in our congress. the epidemic of fake news and false propaganda that has flooded social media over the past year, it is now clear that the so-called fake news can have real-world consequences. this is not about politics or partisanship. lives are at risk. lives are at risk, lives of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do their jobs contribute to the communities. it is a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. bipartisan legislation is making its way through congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda. and silicon valley is starting to grapple with the challenge

and threat of fake news. it is imperative that the leaders of the private and public sectors step up to protect our democracy and innocent lives. host: hillary clinton yesterday in washington, d.c. does she have a point? guest: i wish she would spare us all the sanctimony. i'll get to the fake news in the moment, but this is a woman who is now warning about the risk to american lives of fakery, and she ran the state department that gave us a fake, phony pretext about benghazi, blaming a video on it, when it was clear in all th machinations of the behind-the-scenes that they all knew what the real reason for the benghazi attack was, so let's talk about this fake news. we have been hearing about it thousands of times a day. it is a tactic. i can tell you, as somebody who

has operated as an independent purveyor of journalism, somebody who was at the vanguard of the conservative blogosphere, that this kind of strategy of marginalizing people outside of the traditional media elite has a purpose, and that purpose is to prevent new competitors in that marketplace. so with a mirror and a broad brush, everybody who is not attached to one of the dinosaur networks or who does not have some sorbonne-like certification from a top ivy league school, and then everybody gets associated with the rogue operators out there who are spreading truly fake news. journalism is not rocket science. it is not brain surgery. anybody can do it.

of course, that is a threat to people who are trying to control narratives. of course, we should vet every single news, but the solution is not to ban or limit the number of voices out there. it is always has been my opinion that the answer to bad, fake, phony, or unreliable speeches more and better speech, and that is why i am involved with crtv.com host: how high-tech and errors and bipartisan beltway crack weasels are screwing america's best and brightest workers. how did you come up with this title? guest: sort of like a trademark of mine. if you have one shot to sell a book to someone coming have to let them know what it is about and tell them the bottom line.

host: what is a crap weasel? guest: someone sent to washington with one agenda and then grows moss on his or her back and betrays the people who put them in place, and that is what happened with the h1b program, which was stated as something that would help the american economy and at the same time protect american workers. this issue -- i think it was well-timed in the book came out -- became there a prominent with the firing of disney workers and southern california edison workers and many who worked at tax programs and in the i.t. industry, who were being forced to traing their foreign replacements as a condition of receiving their severance pay.

and i think that indignity, that salt in the wound, is what sort of motivated a new awareness of a program that has been in place since 1990. donald trump in his transition video last week reiterated his pledge to do something about that, and i think he needs to remind his labor secretary of that commitment. host: kevin from tom's river, new jersey, independent line. caller: thank you, c-span. michelle, i have watched it for many years, and the last number of years, nbc, abc, cbs has not put you on, and i wanted to know how you felt about that, and since you brought up fake news, i do not understand how these three stations don't realize their credibility is being lost

with half of the country and the other half don't care because they're just putting out what they like to hear. host: thank you. guest: over the last years, i have appeared in many media outlets, but like i said, i have been busy. i live in colorado. i moved to a from the beltway swamp about 10 years ago now, and i have loved living outside of the coastal bubble that peter thiel was talking about. but i have been continuing to produce books. i did two last year, as well as my newspaper column, which is marking more than two decades in existence now. over the last several months, i have been wrapped up with "michelle malkin investigates." this is the antidote to fake news, doing real investigative journalism, and it is probably

one of the most golden opportunities i have had in my career. host: on the crt website, if you want to check out her latest investigative documentaries. bonnie? caller: i used to do construction, went through bankruptcy, and everybody down the chain got less. they call him a genius. it does not take a genius to file bankruptcy. to be honest, he has never paid an honest day's wage when it comes to construction. all right my second point is he , wants to charge tariffs on everybody to bring their products back. not one trump product with his label or his dollar is made in the u.s. my third point is what really is -- they showed him on tv at his hotel in florida. they were all from india.

he made the remark that 95% of them were on obamacare, and then somebody called it and said, no, no, they are not. which is right? are they on obamacare? and wage because if they come on is he paying a fair wage? because if they come on the says, they have to sign a nondisclosure -- on the visas, they have to sign a nondisclosure and can't work for anyone but him. host: thank you. guest: a lot of good points. i would say that when you are in business as long as donald trump has been, you are going to have many successes and you are going to have failures. and so he has a mixed track record, no doubt about it. and i had also been critical of the use of eminent domain in atlantic city. i grew up in south jersey. and the use of eminent domain to

build his empire in the casino district there. so it is not been unblemished record, for sure. and there have been concerns among many watchdogs on the foreign employment visa programs of donald trump's use of them and some sort of vacillating statements he has made about them. so i think that is why this labor secretary nomination is troubling to some of his most ardent defenders on immigration policy. host: let's go to brad in international falls, minnesota, republican line. how cold is it? caller: not bad. it is normal. it is cold, but it is ok. host: what is normal? caller: well, i was at a funeral

here about a week ago and a lady asked me what was it like 6 -- 60 years ago because she was telling me that it was warmer than it was today 60 years ago and it is warmer than normal right now, but we can't change that, nor can man. host: go ahead with your question or comment. caller: we are talking about the fake news. that is really interesting. i just keep listening and hearing about this, and i shake my head. >> we take you live now to grand last tourchigan, the thank-youtrump's tour. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]