[laughter] and then the mayor basically called and said it is time to have egg smart conversation about the election. i think these were the two best people to have this conversation. thank you very much. please work on your handwriting. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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pennsylvania, lansing, michigan, and richmond, virginia. we took a look at the presidential transition earlier today. this is from "washington journal." >> washington journal continues. host: syndicated columnist and television host, michelle malkin. good morning. guest: thanks for having me. new -- at is this guest: i think the time has come for an entity like this. i've had a split -- a foot in old and new media. and investigative anw which is -- it is really engine that has motivated me for so long. most people know me from yelling at people on the other side of the lyrical i'll put 13 years -- side of the political aisle.

i did that for 13 years. i worked for two major metropolitan newspapers. i had the freedom in my columns to do much more of news breaking that you don't get to do in a three or four minute exit on cable news. i've got four episodes. this is where i have been because i stepped back from the limelight. into some of the same topics i covered over the course of my syndicated news column career and my books. incredible first two parts -- first two-part series on a former police officer who was convicted a year ago this weekend. december 10 is the anniversary of the announcement of his verdict. it made fleeting national news

because he broke down into tears when the verdict was announced. who covered the news coverage assumed he was guilty and he was crying because he got caught. i feel that any mail from a family friend of his that urged me to take a deeper look. with the show, i was able to do that. i travel to oakland city. -- to oklahoma city. conclusion to the that it was a massive miscarriage of justice that took place. -- of the swamp here because it is a government program that is been turned into a global reward program for political cronies, essentially using a green card program to benefit large real

estate interests and people that ties to the highest level of government. this is a program that has been that harry reid was involved in, as well as a number of republicans. host: people can keep track of all of your work. let me go back to a piece you do for townhall.com. we pulled an excerpt from your teal. -- from heater teal. he said this was the most important speech of the 2016 election. agree with everything donald trump has said and done. i don't think the millions of other people voted for him do either. nobody thinks his comments about women were acceptable. i agree they were clearly offensive and inappropriate. i don't think the voters pulled

the lever and noted to endorse the candidate's flaws. it is not a lack of judgment that leads americans to vote for trump. we are voting for trump because we judge the leadership of our country to have failed. this judgment has been hard to accept for some of the countries most fortunate socially prominent people. it has been hard to accept for silicon valley where many people have learned to keep quiet, if they dissent from the coastal bubble. voices have sent a message they did not intend to tolerate the views of one half of the country. this intolerance has taken on some bizarre forms, the advocate. a magazine that praise me as a gay innovator, even published an

article saying that as of now i am "not a gay man." because i don't agree with their politics. behind the buzzword of diversity cannot be made more clear. if you don't conform, then you don't count as diverse, no matter what your personal background. investor,con valley peter teal. why was this the most important speech of 2016? guest: he so eloquently threw down the gauntlet on decades of extremist identity politics. not only was he able to distill for submitting independent truck voters why they chose trump over the rest of the massive field for president, but he also took a very brave stand,

at -- as he did at the republican national convention when he gave his landmark's reach, rejecting the boxes. if only more of those coastal bubble elites in the mainstream taken less than an hour of their time to listen to what peter said at the national 's club, perhaps they would not have been so shellshocked when the results of the elections came in. smearinghis reflexive of trump voters, their intentions, what their ideology is, how they feel about minorities in america. this is an out of the closet gay man in a progressive, liberal silicon valley, basically throwing off the ideological shackles of conformist orthodox democrat politics. host: you have had your own

exchanges with donald trump. this is from 2013. ." andled you and "dummy he says you were born stupid. guest: well, we all are. i fell into the trap of being -- these perceiving throw off tweets as more than what they were. boy, was i raging mad. i was wanting people several years a cancer, and i didn't see the big picture and that was my mistake. i think a lot of my friends in the sort of proclaimed obstinate did not seeump camp it either. host: why were so many so wrong? guest: well, with regard to

donald trump's percent on twitter, i think mistaking that ,edia persona for the real man a businessman who has been in the public eye and in the corporate world for some -- what? 30 years, 40 years now question ? i think there was too much of a knee-jerk response to the celebrity as opposed to the man who became a political maverick. course, because immigration enforcement and national sovereignty have been so important to me since i started my career, certainly covering the issue in los angeles, writing my first book "invasion," which presaged i think the same for the for systemice need enforcement and idea are preservation rests on making

sure we have a system of as donald trump calls it "extreme vetting/" that is what persuaded -- vetting." that is what persuaded me it was worth the gamble. jeff sessions, something i never imagined would be possible, yes, place cautious but optimistic presence in the administration. host: "time" magazine person of the year is donald trump. here is the cover. the editor-in-chief the euroyear 2016 was donald trump's rise and 2017 will be the year of his rules. what will that look like? what would the trump white house and governing style look like? like we have seen so far? guest: i think so.

i think the transition has been orderly and efficient, contrary to the chicken little analysis from the never trumpers in the washington press corps. very of it has been satisfactory to the core base of trump supporters. picknk jeff sessions signals to people that he is serious about the sovereignty agenda. i think a large part of it put him in office. on the other hand, this is the haswho over the years wavered on certain issues and also i think has only been recently introduced to some of the policy issues that are important to people. --hough give you a specific i will give you a specific example. the nomination education is the

voss,of richard thde about the couple involved in republican politics for a long time in michigan. donald trump has said to grass-roots parents that he would "end common core," yet betsy devos, all she was active in education policy and was on the wrong side of that in michigan, not merely voicing words of support for the common core regime, but backing it with their money, so of course, like supporters of comic or who have changed their mind, she says she is against it but will have to prove to parents that it is more than the convenience. host: if you want to read one of the most recent articles by michelle malkin, looking back at the election, but also, the eight years of the obama

presidency, this get to your calls and comments with our guest michelle malkin, her work available online at the michellemalkin.com. host: go ahead. caller: i really hope that trump can do a good job based on his manipulate and then all the other things that he does. i do not trust a person that can't admit their mistakes. appeared of capitalist republican white male , and i hope -- he is the itomy of capitalist republican white males come and hope you steps picking on people . i do think he has the character disorder of some type and the

hope it doesn't play that way. we have come too far in country to give it all up to him. like martin luther king said, all the blacks ever the wanted was jobs, jobs, jobs. that is what people want. it gives them identity, self-esteem. you know, all this other stuff, we all went jobs and we all want this country to get back working . to not forget it was the businessman that opened up china and build general electric. host: thank you. guest: jobs, jobs, jobs. i think in substance and in message and style donald trump periodd this transition to signal that the fact that it is a priority for him, and as much as free-market

conservatives, as i have counted myself for a long time, might be somewhat troubled by the intervention in the carrier deal, it is another significant historical milestone i think because for as long as i have in the lasttics quarter century, the idea of a president-elect forging a deal jobs of ank and file -- i knowing plant it has been characterized as chronic capitalism, but there's no political crony involved. even given the caveats of course that carrier has a lot of military contracts that were at stake, there was an instinct here on donald trump's part to save american jobs.

you could talk about how many jobs he said, but this is a story of an american company, and i did the chapter on carrier in my history book from last year and i think it is worth reminding people that the american manufacturing sector is alive and well in this country, and the caller mentioned black jobsrs and their need for and some sort of stuff fulfillment -- self-fulfillment. they are saying the jobs of carrier belonged to people of all backgrounds and ideologies and i think it is significant. minor story but getting headlines. this is from "the washington donald trump will maintain a financial stake in "the apprentice," and will be the executive producer. it returns to nbc on gender

second as outsourcing ago, the new host, -- as arnold schwarzenegger, the host, takes over. guest: i want to talk about the celebrity played in thetting donald trump political stratosphere. i think he used his celebrity in a strategically. there is a paradox because all of the biggest celebrities in the world cannot save hillary clinton. i think there was a rejection of hollywood elites who presumed to tell their viewers and fans how they should think, who she they they should vote for, and to quote my friend laura ingram, there was certainly a referendum on that overreach and

entertainment, and as she always except, these people should just shut up and sing. host: issue the new white house press secretary? guest: we will have to see. i saw her yesterday and have known her a long time. i told her that it would be pay-per-view popcorn feeling. we watch it here on c-span. i would love to see her. i think she would be the most qualified person to handle the white house press corps. but these are really momentous decisions to make. think weuman beings, i think of our public figures as so acceptable to the public and that it would be such an easy thing to sort up reorient your entire life. she is a wonderful mother and she has incredible businesses that she runs, as well. but i would love it. [laughter] host: john joins us from wisconsin, also on the democrat

line for michelle malkin. good morning. thank you for waiting period caller: yes. -- thank you for waiting. caller: yes, i had one thing to say about donald trump. a lot of people that voted for him do not understand that it takes a lot -- a long time to learn government. government is a business, just like a regular business, and it takes a long time to learn it. there is a lot of things that donald trump doesn't know, and i could tell by the people he is putting in their that they have credentials, but they don't have any background as far as government business is concerned. umm, well, i agree that government is a business, but has assembled a very experienced team. i think the tricky part of it is to recruit people who have that experience who are in, but not of, washington, and to try and

avoid this landmine, almost the cognitive dissonance of trying to drain the swamp that needing people who have been in the swamp a long time to navigate the murky waters. host: we will go from chet, republican line, also in wisconsin. caller: michelle, your parents must be so proud. i would like to prove there was a quick pro-quote with the clinton foundation. of thetake an audit donations of the hundreds and thousands of dollars and the millions of dollars going into the clinton foundation before the election and then do it after the election, also, wouldn't you love to see the list of cancellation of clinton speeches after the election? guest: [laughter] that sounds like a job for a good investigative reporter, sounds like the next " michelle malkin investigates"

episode. host: let's go to the independent mind from arizona. good morning. gwendolen, hewitt this estimate -- you with us? caller: thank you for taking my call. host: go ahead. caller: i think donald trump is going to do a fairly good job. when he was campaigning, he talked about one whose priorities was to change infrastructure for the ghettos -- obama was in office for eight years and he did nothing, especially for the people in his hometown in chicago. . think he has a dream extremist to make america great again, and i think he is going to follow through with some of the things he has said. people are coming over from india, and they are getting and the blackels,

community is living in the ghettos, like living in world war ii. that is crazy. people are living on food stamps , they have to decide whether or not they want to sell drugs that they just to live. it is awful. i think he will do a good job. host: thank you. i think it is significant that in the last days of the campaign, while hillary was chilling, donald trump was in detroit. pace -- the fake news, false narrative from so much of that liberal progressive media that donald trump was this racists who did not care about minorities, and the fact is that his message was a universal one that appealed to any american, whatever their color, who has aspirations, and who believes and still believes

in social mobility in america, and eight years of hope and change enriched a lot of people at the expense of so many of the constituencies that the democrat party always pays lip service to, so there are so many pathologies in the inner cities that have been run for decades by democrats, who have enriched themselves at the expense of their own constituencies, and that covers every aspect of their lives from the economy, to the schools, and certainly to law enforcement. another i think very significant thatubstantive gesture donald trump has taken that signal that the new sheriff was in town was his reaching out to their widows and families of law enforcement officers in the transition period, who have been killed. the war on cops over the last aght years has leveled

devastating death toll that has not gotten nearly as much attention in the press as it should. host: we welcome our radio audience on c-span radio. our guest is michelle malkin, a multidimensional journalist, author, a syndicated columnist, and also now within your television series on tv. but we ask about senator harry reid, officially stepping down, we covered his farewell ceremony yesterday. this morning, he has written an op-ed for "the new york times," "farewell, their senate." he said ending his time was the right thing to do and will be replaced by senator chuck schumer, democrat from new york. the houston chronicle you do, nancy pelosi, listen to it -- listen to it nancy pelosi said. [video clip] nancy pelosi: i worked fo with harry reid for more than a decade. to observe harry is to observe a

master at work. his commitment to his values and his respect also, for his colleagues. harry had many occasion to evaluate the leadership and courage of our colleagues. in all of my years, more than 10 working with harry, he always spoke in the most glowing, respectful and understandingly about all of the senators. and republican senators, as well. very respectful with everyone's point of view. the constituents that were represented never, never anything but the finest word. guest: [laughter] umm, that is fake news right there. alert ofhat any half the beltway swamp, harry reid has conducted himself in a

manner that might most politely be called brass knuckles and certainly, the victims of his rhetoric and his actions over .he years can attest to that i think this says as much about nancy pelosi as it does about harry reid, and this very stubborn and amazing and surreal attempt to rewrite the history in front of our noses. tom cotton, the senator from arkansas, correctly described harry reid's political behavior "cancerous." i wish there had been a rebuttal to that elegy. let'sthat we talk -- ask you about the news, the outgoing senate democratic leader said this -- [video clip] >> let me mention one threat that should concern all

americans, democrats, republicans, and independence alike, especially those who serve in our congress. and falseews propaganda that has flooded social media over the past year is now clear that the so-called fake news can have real-world consequences. this is not about politics or partisanship. lives are at risk. lives of ordinary people just trying to go about their days to do their jobs contribute to the communities. it is a danger that must be addressed and addressed quickly. bipartisan legislation is making its way through congress to boost the government's response to foreign propaganda. silicon valley is starting to grapple with the challenge and drug fake news. threats of fake news. it is imperative that the leaders of the private and public sectors step up to protect our democracy and

innocent lives. host: hillary clinton yesterday in washington, d.c. does she have a point? guest: i wish she would spare us all the sanctimony. i'll get to that they can news in the moment, but this is a woman who is now warning about the risk to american lives of fakery, and she ran the state department that gave us a fake, phony pretext about benghazi, blaming a video on it, when it was clear in all that machinations of the behind-the-scenes that they all for what the real reason the benghazi attack was, so let's talk about this fake news. we have been hearing about it thousands of times a day. it is a tactic. i can tell you, as somebody who has operated as an independent purveyor of journalism, somebody who was at the vanguard of the conservative blogosphere, that

this kind of strategy of marginalizing people outside of the traditional media elite has a purpose, and that purpose is to prevent new competitors in that marketplace, so with a broad brush, everybody who is not attached to one of the dinosaur networks, or who does not have some store-bought like certification from a top ivy league school, and then everybody gets associated with the rogue operators out there who are spreading truly fake news. journalism is not rocket science. it is not brain surgery. anybody can do it. of course, that is a threat to people who are trying to control narratives.

vetcourse, we should b every single news -- vet every single news source, but the solution is not to ban or limit the number of voices out there. it is always has been my opinion that the answer to bad, fake, phony or unreliable speeches more and better speech, and that is what i involved with cr tv. and errorsigh-tech and bipartisan beltway crack weasels are screwing america's best and brightest workers -- how did you come up with this title? guest: [laughter] sort of like a trademark of mine. if you have one shot to sell a book to someone coming have to let them know what it is about and tell them the bottom line area host: what is -- line. wst: what is a crack result? --weasel? guest: someone sent to

washington with one agenda and s on his or her back and betrays the people who put them in place, and that is what happened with the h1b program, stated as something that would help the american economy, and at the same time, protect american workers. this issue -- i think it was well-timed in the book came out -- became there a prominent with the firing of disney workers in southern california and many workers who worked at tax programs and in the i.t. forcedy, who were being their foreign replacements as a condition of receiving their severance pay. whatnk that indignity is

sort of motivated and new awareness of a program that has been in place since 1990. donald trump in his transition video last week reiterated his pledge to do something about needs to i think he remind his labor secretary of that commitment. the, kevin from tom's or independent line. caller: thank you, c-span. michelle, i have watched it for many years and the last number of years, nbc, abc, cbs has not put you on and i wanted to know sulk about that, and since you brought up fake news, i do not understand how these three stations don't realize their credibility is being lost with half of the country and the other half don't care because they're just putting out what

they like to hear. years, havethe last appeared in many media outlets, but like i said, i have been busy. [laughter] i live in colorado. i moved to a from the beltway swamp about 10 years ago now, and i have loved living outside of the coastal bubble that peter was talking about, but i have been continuing to produce books. i did two last year, as well as my newspaper column, which is marking more than two decades in existence now. over the last several months, i have been wrapped up with" investigates -- "michelle malkin investigates." it is probably one of the most golden opportunities i have had in my career. want to check out

her latest investigative crt websitev. on sr bonnie? caller: i used to do construction, went through bankruptcy, and everybody down the chain got left. genius.led him a it does not take a genius to file bankruptcy. to be honest, he has never paid an honest day's wage when it comes to construction. my second point is he wants to charge tariffs on everybody to bring their products back. not one trump product with his label or his dollar is made in the u.s. my third point is what really is -- they showed him on tv at his hotel in florida. they were all from india. he made the remark that 95% of them were on obamacare and then

somebody called it and said, no, no, they are not. which is right? wage becausea fair the says, they have to sign a nondisclosure -- on the visas, they have to sign a nondisclosure and can't work for anyone but him. host: thank you. guest: a lot of good points. i would say that when you are in business as long as donald trump husband, you are going to have many successes and you are going to have failures. track record, no doubt about it. i have also been critical of the use of eminent domain in atlantic city. i grew up in south jersey. and the use of eminent domain to build his empire and casino district there.

it is not been unblemished record for sure. there have been concerns among many watchdogs on the foreign employment visa programs of donald trump's use of them and some sort of vacillating statements he has made about them. i think that is why this labor secretary domination is troubling to some of his most ardent defenders on immigration policy. to grad in go international falls, minnesota. republican line. how cold is it? caller: not bad. it is normal. it is cold, but it is ok. host: what is normal? i was at a funeral here about a week ago and the lady asked me what was it like 60 years ago because she was telling me that it was warmer

than it was today 60 years ago and it is warmer than normal right now, but we can't change that. host: go ahead with your question or comment. caller: we are talking about the state news. that is really interesting. i just keep listening and and i shaket this my head. they want to keep blaming the russians. russians did not write hillary's emails, she did. she was the one that didn't want to hand them over and said she handed them all over. that was a complete lie. that is fake news. panelist there, michelle, i think the world of her, i really do. i think that she does know, but she is in with the wolves again on c-span because i think c-span has turned into nothing more than cnn or msnbc. host: why do you say that, brad?

caller: because it is always slanted and you always ask questions from people like myself that i know that you disagree with me wholeheartedly. host: i just asked what the temperature was today, just curious. guest: [laughter] caller: you know exactly, you are diverting. you are a democrat. i really just was asking what the temperature was in international falls, minnesota. thank you for the call. are you still on the line? brad? i appreciate his opinion. i think it is good for all of us to get feedback. i would say -- and i'm not just saying this because i am sitting with you, steve, i tell this to people all the time. when i have to go out on media tours and the sand from a mountaintop in colorado, the thing that always look most forward to is this time and

space. c-span's history is a proud one of doing justice to the first amendment and the privilege we have as information providers. i don't know what your politics are. [laughter] after all of these years. i think probably that because there has been so much bias in cable news programming and the thatnse of objectivity listeners and viewers were not accustomed to great questions and straight, unfiltered that is of news happening on capitol hill, that theyautomatically assume must be biased. this is a horrible thing that people feel that the people that are on their cameras have contempt for them. that is something that there

ought to be much more introspection about an elite media circles, and instead, they are trickling down on the same ways of delivering their narratives and they have for the past 30 years. i want to say that he has a point about, for example, the dinosaur networks -- which are all broadcasting hillary's comments and condemning things like [indiscernible] does anybody remember robertgate? that was dan rather, who faked texas international five documents, and it was the little citizen bloggers and journalists, who are not credentialed, the ones who brought them down. or the exploding trucks on nbc or in the last election cycle when cnn had to admit, and i remember jake tapper saying it was "journalistically terrifying or horrifying that there was someone within the organization that was leaking questions taylor clinton." host: he called it malpractice. guest: he did. host: one more call.

we love having you on, either here or colorado. i will not ask what the temperature is. just go ahead with your question or comment. good morning. caller: good morning. can you hear me question mark host: we sure -- me? host: read sure can. caller: one will donald trump stand behind his numbers? in other words, when will you stand behind what he really is doing and not based on what we think he is doing because apparently, a lot of his numbers are gigantically enormous, and when you find investigation journalism that the numbers are not true? host: marcia, thank you. guest: i'm not sure which numbers she is talking about. i'm just going to speculate that it is either save the job creation numbers in the carrier

deal with the idea that there were a large number of people who cast votes that were illegal in this election cycle, the of that kindmping of information that, it must not be true, i think serves the political and ideological agenda . when the fact is that you have even got academics who don't have any special political interest who have been pointing to that problem to reflexively say there's no election fraud in this country is as much fake news as anything else. host: a look ahead to january or february when donald trump makes his nomination or supreme court, what will the battle look like in washington? guest: bloody. [laughter] i think