live on c-span and also we'll be showing jake johnson, homeland ecretary secretary interview with "washington post" david 6:00 on , live at c-span. that will do it for today's program. we'll be back tomorrow morning eastern, in the meantime, have a great tuesday. the lobbyook inside of trump tower, where donald trump continues to meet with prospective cabinet nominees and other potential senior members

of his administration. also, celebrities meeting with kanye west this morning. the president will be in wisconsin and we will bring you live coverage of his thank you to her. this morning, the president-elect officially announced the nomination of exxon mobil ceo rex tillerson's secretary of state. he says mr. tillerson has spent jobsareer protecting the of his employees. mr. tillerson knows how to manage a global organization and successfully manage the complex architecture among world leaders. his understanding of geopolitics for him an excellent choice secretary of state. and here's mr. tillerson himself from three years ago, talking about dealing with russia, where he has several businesses.

they referred to success in russia, one of the members they'd like to comment on the future of the russian oil and gas industry. >> well, russia continues, you know, the nation continues to evolve its own economic structures, certainly, its own legal structures. we've been there a very long time. we've been there for a lot of the evolution, and we have participated in it. i would be less than honest if i didn't tell you i've been disappointed with the pace in which things evolved, but it's a big country with a lot of complexities. they had huge enormous oil and natural gas resources, many of which are not even known to us yet, but we will find them. so they will always be a very significant and important supplier of energy to the world. today, they are the largest oil producer, larger than saudi arabia. they have enormous gas resources.

they have enormous potential to do more, and they are limited, only by their fiscal and regulatory structures. their rule of law. structures. now, our experience in russia has been quite good. it has not been easy. i -- we entered in a time and put in place contracts before their laws were even written. they were emerging from soviet era laws and regulations to the modern day. they have always respected that contract. they could have changed it. they could have tore it up. they could have said not fair, but they stuck with it. and i have admiration for the leadership for having done that, and as a result, we've been successful together. so moving forward, i think the only limitation is their ability to put the right legal regulatory physical structures in place to attract significant investments required. nothing is done inexpensively there. the resources are huge. the investments required are enormous. so you have to have though -- of

those stability frameworks in place. their leadership is committed to that. it's how they travel the road to get there. it's sometimes hard for them. i would observe we have the same problem here in this country. we know where we need to go. sometimes, politically, we just have a hard time getting there. so in many ways, they are not that different from us. so they are going to be significant in the future, and i think their prospects are very good, and, like a lot of countries, there will be some highs and lows, but the trajectory, i think, will be up. >> looking again at trump tower here in new york city.

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>> just taking a look live here at trump tower in new york city. earlier today, or vice president-elect mike pence was spotted in the lobby of trump tower. take a look. >> another busy day. at the transition. we are looking forward to more interviews and discussions. we just could not be more grateful that someone of rex tillerson's proven leadership and accomplishments has been willing to step forward and serve our nation and serve as secretary of state. general john with kelly from the department of homeland security represent the caliber of experience the american people are coming to expect from the cabinet coming together around the president-elect. we are looking forward to more announcements this week. we will be traveling with the

president-elect to wisconsin as part of the thank you to her, tour,e work -- thank you thethe work of assembling cabinet to make america great again on day one continues. >> coming but -- coming up in about an hour, live coverage of former house speaker newt gingrich. he will talk about policy initiatives in the new administration. we take you live to the heritage foundation. president will sign be 21st century cures act, which is focused on -- we take you to the live signing 2:35 eastern.t and look at the u.s. capitol, where flags fly at half staff for former senator john glenn, who died last week.

also, the u.s. house will meet session.ef pro forma the new congress begins january 3 at noon. next, we take a look at the role that the vice president-elect, mike pence, will play in the new administration, and his work as indiana's governor. this is from today's "washington journal." a tuesday round table, we will spend our next hour focusing on vice president mike pence and the role he will play in the incoming trunk administration -- trump administration. we are joined by two reporters who covered mike pence over the years. tony cook joins us in indianapolis, indiana. the reporter with the "indianapolis star." in studio with tim alberta with the "national review." i know you traveled with mike pence during the campaign and a one story that got attention, you wrote that mike pence went to a political recasting that makes him "a study and. contradiction"

whatever -- a study and contradiction."what are the sides of mike pence ? guest: it was interesting to watch and strike a balance between staying true to himself and not only the lawmaker he has been throughout his career and politician he has been, but the person he is, the type of man he is and the morals he has talked about for years as being central to his dna, politically and otherwise. trying to balance that with being true and loyal to his running mate, donald trump, who in many ways is the polar opposite of my parents in terms of their personal lives and the paths they have taken to the respective positions and policies. it is interesting to watch, but mike pence has a great deal of respect for donald trump and i've used -- and he views his role as being the subordinate.

he will give the vice president to donald trump, and i think mike pence wants to not go public with any disputes at the can help it and wants to try to keep things in house doesn't want to be seen as a rabble-rouser internally, someone contradicting or butting heads with donald trump. when there aree, disagreements, as there have been, he feels a need to the two to himself and make his voice heard. at times, that lends to contradictions and complex pilot about. -- complexity i talk about. host: tony cook, why did donald pence?ick mike what did he bring from his time in indiana? pence hasl, governor always been or has always

described himself as christian, conservative and republican, in that order. he really appeals to that based on the republican party and that christian conservative base, and i think trump probably viewed him as a very important bridge .o the group of voters governor perry also has a lot of experience on the hill. i think we have seen that in some of trump's choices for his cabinet. we can see some of mike pence's influence, i got familiar with how things work in washington and from -- and trump with no governing experience, really needed that to round out his ticket. i think those are the two main things that parents -- that mike pence brings to the ticket. host: our lines are open for viewers if you have questions or comments about mike pence. republicans, (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000.

independents, (202)-748-8002. one of the things we want to do is allow our viewers to listen to mike pence in his own words talk about the stories that have influenced him, the issues that matter to him. had one oftimes he these discussions was that the political conservative action conference last year. he talks about where he came from and his concerns with where the obama administration has led the united states. let's listen. [video clip] built a gasmy dad station business in southern indiana. politics as ad in democrat, when i heard the voice of the 40th president of the united states, it changed for me. i lived the dream of becoming a congressman from that small town and now i serve as governor as the -- for the great state of indiana.

[laughter] -- [applause] i served 12 years in congress and if i only had 12 years that to live, i would want to live as a member of congress because that was the longest 12 years of my life. [laughter] [applause] the truth is we have not had a government as good as her people in washington, d.c., for some time. it is worse today than ever before. the errors of this administration are too numerous to count, but there is the government takeover of health care, or now the internet, the president's unconstitutional executive amnesty or the war on coal. the administration is threatening our prosperity. most americans understand you cannot improve health care by ordering every american to buy health insurance, whether wanted, needed or not. you cannot expect the to thrive

under unjustifiable regulations. you cannot change the laws of the land by executive fiat and you cannot build an energy policy by raising the cost of electricity and working americans. it should almost go without saying obama must be repealed, the fcc's rules must be reversed, the president's executive action rescinded and the epa's war on american energy must end. was given speech before mike pence was picked to be part of the trump-pence ticket. how many of those priorities have survived the nomination process and joining the trump ticket? pence is that the same we see today? -- is that the same pence we see today? guest: i think it is. he hits all the right notes and he does so effortlessly in front of a republican crowd.

i like to ask a republican politician, especially someone running for office for the first time, what is the one issue where you are not a conservative? everyone has one. i do know that mike pence doesn't have an issue. this guy checks the list. he has referred to himself as a party before, and that is only to say that at the time he is not agreed with the republican party doing the latter half of the bush administration but it is because he was to the right of the party, not the left. basically you heard governor pence talking about in that speech that those are priorities he will continue to push in the trump administration. host: that was to an national audience at cpac last year. tony, can you talk about mike pence's track record and the issues he has made a priority that our national viewers may not know much about? sure.

social issues have definitely dominated much of his time as governor in indiana. although he ran for governor on an economic platform, once he got into office, the legislature sent him measures such as the abortion restriction enacted in indiana last year. the year before that, it was the religious freedom restoration act in indiana, which many people felt was anti-gay. those kinds of issues have dominated his time here, although he insisted that jobs and the economy has been his focus. he also enacted pretty sweeping health care -medicaid expansion 2.0,diana calledh hip which are think is important as rheumatoid is ahead for

obamacare. here in indiana, what he did was he instituted changes that would essentially require people to contribute some, even though they are on medicaid. he sees this, as the governor, and that is something that the responsibilityl is something he takes seriously when it comes to health care. i think as are some of the important things to know about him in indiana. host: i should note, a special on for indiana residents, specifically, so that line is (202)-748-8003. otherwise, republicans, (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000. independents, (202)-748-8002. for most ofhe topic

the rest of our program today. let's start with judy, las vegas, nevada. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to note mr. pence understands separation of church and state? host: tim alberta? guest: i think he does. i think governor pence if you are some here would argue that the establishment clause in the constitution is something that has been over interpretative by the left and something he believes is not as strict with practice or should be a someone on the left would say. that is an example of a governor in selecting in many views, especially when the comes to social issues or anything that can be construed as a tax on the christian conservative community, a theme throughout his career, where threat, rioe is a

or perceived, to the values of social conservatives, evangelical christians, and you saw this a couple of years ago with the religious freedom fight in the state of indiana. he is veryt sensitive to that, so that is one issue among many others where he would be very outspoken in the way that maybe not all republicans would be. host: tony cook, you and tim to religiousht up freedom restoration act in indiana. will you explain that? guest: sure. was topose of this law protect those with strong thegious beliefs from sponsor's position, they wanted

to protect religious believers from what they call government overreach and make sure they were free to exercise their religious beliefs. with the debate over whether a christian baker should be for aed to bake the cake gay wedding and those sorts of things, you know, that is where these conflicting values of religious conscience and ky -- gay-rights collided, so this would set judicial bar to her -- i amould be required trying to think had the best -- where a sorry judge would basically have to decide whether someone's exercise of their religion would be encouraged on by the government and it would set the bar in favor of religious believers, so people were worried that this would be

allowing people people with religious [indiscernible] viewers to beour able to hear mike pence in his own words, so this past spring, speech on how he found his religious beliefs. there was that one of the colleges that he spoke at current one of their ceremonies, april 30, 2016. mike pence talking about how he found his religion. [video clip] mike pence: thin it began to meet people at college. yes.were confident, there are confident, yes, but they had something i lacked in my life. i knew in my heart of hearts that they had something to call .oy, in good times and in bad there seemed to be something in their life that was beyond them.

and i felt the need in my life to embrace it. i will never forget one of the fellows, a pastor now in indianapolis and a close friend of mine, was talking to me about matters of faith and my resistance to that. i went up to him and said, i decided to say i am a christian and did the christian thing, right? so i told him i wanted to get one of those crosses you where -- wear. those look good. i bothered him about it. this is before you are doing this, he had a catalog to call and order a cross. i questioned him about it more than once and i will not forget the day i said, hey, men, i am going to go with that christian thing now, so get me that number . i want to call and get that cross like years and he turned to me and said words that

impacted my life like a meteor strike. he doesn't even remember saying that to this day. he said, mike, remember, you have to wear it in your heart before you wear it around your neck. wear it in your heart before you wear it around your neck. and he walked away. i wrestled with those words for days that followed. i did not know what he meant but i knew there was truth in it. i found myself a few months ,ater in that spring, 1978 heard a sermon or two at a youth christian music festival in kentucky. i had always heard those words that god so loved the world he gave his only son. it hit me that night, that meant god so loved me that he gave his

only son, and overall but the heart of gratitude, that night, i gave my life to jesus christ and it has made all the difference. host: i president-elect mike pence this past spring. we are taking your calls as we talk about the vice president-elect and his role in the trump administration. we want to get your thoughts and questions. houston, texas. republican. go ahead. --ler: i would like to know , and energygy wonk was absent from the trump-pence campaign. how do i get, should be done on energy? i think mike pence would be an leadlent choice to

presidential energy, environmental policy deployment plans. how do i get involved in that? i have written policy, policy .eployment unlike to get it to trump-pence and see if they would consider it. i have no idea how to do that. tim alberta, do you see this as an avenue mike pence could take on, could energy make his place to make his mark? guest: i would told robert that drive tost bet is to manhattan and go to trump tower and wait in the lobby and try to get a packet of your work into the hands of one of many aides were running around in the lobby. i think it isn't a bad idea. i think governor pence will have

some energy issues. when i talked to a lot of congressional republicans over the last few weeks, an open line to the transition team, some of whom served at governor pence and know him well, among many of these, energy is when discussed, or they talked about opening up some federal lands for drilling, much more offshore drilling, trying to sort of take more than an all of the above approach to energy exploration and loosening some regulatory restrictions they complained the obama administration had installed over the last eight years. i do think that is one area where governor pence could be active. i think you'll be active in a number of areas. this is a vice president will be given pretty broad area. host: hassey signaled which one he prefers? gues

most powerful vice president in history. how is that? said, you mp's son would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. that at the d at ime, but what is hugely appealing about his vice those who are nervous about donald trump himself, mike pence will be policy realm as vice president and have a hand n major legislative and regulatory initiative the administration undertakes over years. four host: line for indiana residents. bob is calling in, go ahead. caller: good morning. greetings from the home state of c-span and purdue university and brian lamb, he's done a years.ul job over the

what i'm trying to call to reinsurance or an agreement with mike pence's style. a resident d him as and small business, i've been in business 40 years. happened to us with obamacare and the implementation the segment ion of of small business owners wishes and needs. where i hear pence being strong in our state is that he will the end user of the product and have input from not the medical world or the consulting world, but also from people who have to pay for the products. we all have been working under decreases and costs and e all have those of us in the insurance industry and i had a couple million dollars three years ago in the group medical a dozen groupsan were annihilated with all of the

executive order actions and most carriers, i had three, folded. they just went out of business with six-month notice and let that if you had ive or 10 employees, as a distributor of healthcare, you're not even sitting at the table. so where i felt treated more airly, mike pence, is that he seems to come to the factories, he seems to come to the he seems to orld, come to the end student, if it is an educational matter. but in our case, small business owners, who have their own provide rying to healthcare and for years we've said, let's get health savings let people pay for part of this, the whole world is purdue up of universities or the factories. the individual small business person have a seat at the table. ear, elieve pence, as an

is toward that. host: bob, thanks for the call from indiana. let you pick up that and and mike pence and ionship with business other interest in the state, is that the same mike pence you covering him? gues gues is t: yeah, mike pence definitely interested in, you businessman's perspective and i think that he pretty n that consistently here in indiana, though i would say perhaps not much as his predecessor, itch daniels, who was really known for his fiscal and more so than ies, governor pence has been. hat said, you know, governor pence has looked to cut taxes in here, part oficaid hat involved negotiation with

the hospitals here in indiana, who of course, wanted to see so they would ed patients.nsured definitely had an ear to the business community, certainly. host: and donald trump's pick for secretary of state comes from the business community, announce third degree morning rex tillerson is his pick. mike pence made comments about tillerson, here is what he had to say. the other busy day here at transition, we're looking forward to more interviews and discussions and we just couldn't be more grateful that rex tillerson's proven leadership and been willing to step forward and serve our nation as next secretary of state. general john kelly, department of homeland ecurity, represent the caliber of experience the american people are coming to expect from

the cabinet coming together around our president-elect and e're looking forward to more announcements this week, we'll be traveling with president-elect today to wisconsin as part of the thank-you tour. the work of assembling an and cabinet will be ready to make america great continues today. all.k you host: that was just outside of trump tower this morning. tim alberta, how much influence has mike pence had on the picks hat we've seen coming out of donald trump's future cabinet? guest: i think as much influence vice president in recent memory, quite frankly. look at tom price, for example, who is nominated to be the secretary of health and services, tom price is not only a medical doctor from eorgia and someone who has authored repeatedly over the ast i believe four congresss a

comprehensive healthcare plan that could, in fact, be the blueprint for replacing obamacare. tom price happens to be one of mike pence's closest friends, served with him mike pence, way back when, chaired republican study committee, which for a long time before the house reedom caucus came along, was sort of the home base for the most conservative members in the house of representatives, mike chairman of that group. the way the group works is leads, y once a chairman he essentially helps to handpick he succeeding chairman of that group. mike pence, when he left, two years later, wound up coming helped to handpick tom price, guys with extremely close relationships. coincidence when there is an opening and hhs is not ust another cabinet position, when the number one policy promise arguably of the incoming dministration to repeal and replace obamacare, hhs secretary is large role. coincidence mike pence's

best friend and closest olitical allie is the guy chosen for that role. that has mike pence's it.erprints all over host: we discussed mike pence in this, our last hour of "washington journal." residents, 202-748-8003, want to hear your stories. republicans, democrats and independents, as usual. chad in augusta, georgia, a democrat. chad, good morning. caller: good morning. was one of the bernie sanders voters and i've been talking to aboutof other millennials mike pence and his role in donald trump's administration. e are all kind of worried because we fear something like bush, where you get most of the policy position, serious policy position from and our major concern is that pence seems to be someone is religious idealog, and

seems to be getting a lot of believes and his policy positions straight from his eligious doctrine and i am concerned that he doesn't understand separation from church and state and he's not out for the best interest of americans as a catering to ther evangelicals and my concern is a gets that really group going is policies that are and more sive inclusive of minority and lgbt seems like they are -- to the freedoms being expanded to all. host: chad, got your point. tony cook, let you speak to this we learn from mike pence's track record in indiana. yeah. any time that

pence seeing religious freedom conflicting with gay rights, his errs record shows that he on the side of religious freedom. i think that stems from his religious beliefs that we heard him talking about earlier program. so, you know, he sees these as conflicting, values es conflicting and he feels that when balancing that because, you know, freedom of religion is in the constitution that is the side you ought to err on. see this as, you know, forging his religious on other people, he sees it as sticking closely to the constitution. and of course, you know, that is open for debate, but i think way he views it, at least. independent in rich. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to comment.

hope that mike pence and help people can with christian faiths, because here, the radio stations and the news networks, technology that nobody knows about that they are using christians and something has to be done about it. go to e'll donaldsonville, louisiana, effrey, an independent, good morning. caller: yes, sir, good morning. just like to say, as before, give thanks, the bible says give thanks and due to those who deserve it and mike pence is one of those. i just pray that the american eople will just get together pray to god for the

president-elect donald trump and mike pence, that we could all overcome the problems and situations through prayer and another. one thanks. host: okay. new york, new york. neil, good morning. you r: good morning, thank for taking my call. thank god for c-span. you answered the questions vice president-elect philosophy about gays. what about reconciling, how is reconciling conversion therapy? thank you for taking my call. i'll let you rta, start. guest: yeah, this is something animated the left, last severaler the onths, sort of down the home stretch of the election. if there is one thing, you know, the left, i mean the organized, politically active progressive movement in america, that is governor pence's past support for conversion therapy and that peopleifically for young

who have, you know, come out as to their parents and their parents, you know, put them into some sort of therapy treatment or conversion treatment, as it were expressed r pence support for that in the stretch of the election. if there is one thing, you know, past, ft, i that has become a lightning rod. i've never heard that come up on the campaign trail, never heard it, you know, in a speech or interview, frankly, not sure anybody asked about that. that remains a thing from his has come back to haunt him insofar as it eroded any have had with the left, as well as something the gays serving in military. governor pence, when he was congressman, took a strong stance on that, that is another a lot of issues. mentioned earlier, this is a gentleman throughout his political career, who has not left much room to his own right.cal he is reliably conservative on ust about every issue, especially social issues, so gay

therapy, gays serving openly in the military, these are things mike pence is not going to moderate. host: how much was mike pence about this by the indiana press, maybe not during the so much, but in the months and years before the election, how much were these coming up in the state? i can't say that i recall conversionsked about therapy, in particular. asked aboute's been gay rights many, many times, most famously on george show and whether it would discriminate and he the answer and became the butt of the jokes on

late-night programs. right, he's been very consistent on the issue, or her you agree with it past, nd that is something he has not varied from. immense pressure from the business community because about the oncerned tourism industry in indiana, threateningses were to, you know, change their expansion plans here in indiana rifra.e of he did, within a week of signing sign a fix to the bill it so thatially made it would not override local ondiscrimination ordinances that cities had put in place. that is really the only time i think of where he has moved

to the left on these kind of issues. host: about 25 or 30 minutes this segment, want to hear your thoughts on vice president-elect mike pence and indiana residents, a special line, 202-748-8003. otherwise, democrats, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. temperature going to the line independents, angelanbowie , maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. heard the comment from mr. cook to millennials, but he never answered the question about should he be afraid that ike pence will choose his religion versus freedom for all, which i find ironic that talk about nts to religious freedom, but only free, freedom gets to be no one else's does. so when we talk about is he continue to rule or

create policies that only religion over all others, isn't that in violation of the constitution and how will up with the rest people?merican i just thought it is very interesting, here we are, eight years later, when a country felt hope, i mean it was a different feeling to where we are now face thanksgiving next january of 2017, the country feels in dire fear and why isn't that being addressed by the president-elect president-elect, when we talk about accepting god in your heart and all of that, but yet, there is so much fear. host: couple issues, people? i just thought it is very interesting, here we are, eight years later, when a country felt hope, i mean it was a different tim ng to where we are now alberta, i'll let you start. guest: it is important to one wledge this has become of the most polarizing and politically es speaking culturally

today, the issue of religious liberty and what it means to different people and how they interpret that, you know, what it means to have, you know, religious liberty, while at the with ime, complying government laws and regulations. i think that what we've seen last six over the years to the hobby lobby sisters and the little and catholic charities being told to cover contraception and the macare political fight that ensued and think about governor pence's in indiana with religious freedom restoration act, all to a sense tributed on the right it is very much, i think it is more sort of potent than the left, just to say, when i traveled the years over the last two with the campaign, talked to republicans and religious voters, they feel as though their -- their belief under attack. pastors ular, talk to

and officials with churches, elders and deacons and the like percolateing and maybe been overstated in some shows where governor pence is coming from in this respect that churches, the trajectory of the obama administration was going as far as limiting the ability of citizens and of nonprofits to choose, you know, hich government regulations they will and will not comply with, there was a fear i think in the evangelical community soon enough churches allowed to claim nonprofit status would be if pped of nonprofit status there were political talk coming from the pulpit, gay marriage, abortion or other issues. people look at that and sort of laugh and say that is not realistic and maybe it is the point is among the issues that animated the republican base over the last years as i saw them, i think this was a sleeping giant something that drove

republican voters to the polls who were not enthuzed by donald candidacy, but between the supreme court issue of next nominating two or three justices and the issue evangelical christian community has been under attack by secular democratic-led big whether it is true or not, i think has been xtremely important force for a lot of conservatives. mike pence comes from that world, he is especially those concerns and in fact if he decides to act on the federal s government under the trump administration to act on them, i think you could see culture wars over the next four years. north reg up next, carolina, grady, good morning. caller: good morning, thanks for program. americas get now, off track, america forgets how that a was formed, people

came to america, they came in here for freedom of religion. america has made up many religions, there are more people more religions in s erica than religion evangelicals. mike pence religion is personal. i served 30 years in the military, my religion was personal. couldn't put my -- force my religion on my soldiers. soldiers from all over the world and i had to respect them, but we are getting to the point they told me first thing they told me as a private when i ent into the military, i gave up my rights to protect the people.nd serve other mike pence is the vice president all the ited states, creeds, all races, all all religions, he can't just represent his. america is great. was a little kid, a black

an, we was oppressed more than anybody, but we knew, we knew america was great, they told us in school, america was of nations, nation but we have forgotten our history. somebody needs to go back and people our history, we got to learn to protect all people of us have us, none any priority with god, because all feel it, we need to stop putting priorities on who is who is best and who is religio religious. host: tony cook, pick up on this point. of alked about freedom religion and how mike pence it in his time as governor. i want to focus on the caller about the make america great again statement. mike pence say in the

brief interview this morning. talking was mike pence about whatever time in american history america was great, was talked about he in the state before the trump dministration or something he embraced since joining the ticket? guest: yeah. -- he never cast it quite like that during his time as governor. know, he has always the problems that indiana is facing in light of, you know, overreaching federal overnment and if the federal government wasn't imposing itulations on businesses, if wasn't for obamacare, then indiana's potential would be unleashed. so i think that is more as been of a federal versus states

from nt that we've seen pence over the years, rather this more make america let's return to some kind of stature that we've that the past and lost, is not necessarily the kind of language that mike pence used joining the trump ticket. host: of course, prior to being the nor, prior to joining trump ticket, he served as a member of congress. mike pence, not without his own head butting against his own times from rship at when he served as head of the republican study committee and back inrta talked about mike c-span interviewed pence about operation offset, a roject he started in wake of emergency funding after hurricane katrina, which was his own riction within

party. here is a little bit about it and we'll come back and talk about it. >> when we, when many house conservatives, after congress appropriated $60 billion in six days to pay for the cost of katrina, and we should, many house conservatives were very roubled about the fact we hadn't begun a conversation of how we were going to pay for it. with you and say that when we put together what e called operation offset, responding to a member of our leadership who said, was nowhere to have said, else to be cut in the government. i remember. if >> it was. i challenge the republican study to spend a long our members and to build some proposals for budget cuts, we ended up coming up with proposals, just unveiled in a

press conference in september under operation offset. know, it did create some friction in the republican any social in setting, it is sometimes awkward to bring up the small matter of but in the end, the passage of the first deficit since 1997 that and i think will certify in the next two weeks was an important first step. it showed that process, even friction, could ultimately fiscal n a step toward discipline and my ambition is to make that just the first step. host: that interview takes place years ago, if you watch the full interview, see it at c-span.org, tim alberta, mike pence talking about friction party and party leadership. interesting mike pence is seen as donald trump's best envoy to leadership in congress. guest: very fascinating

to that interview and know, it is you going to be great feeder to watch y speaking mike pence operate within the trump administration now because of his own history as someone who welcomed and sort of sought out some conflict within his own party, when he saw the party straying from core principles of smaller business, fiscal restraint is something he and i alked about in an interview shortly before the election, he talked about the republican party lost his way during sort f the latter half of the bush administration and how that sort of gave rise to the tea party in many e, i think ways, was intellectual godfather to the idea the republican party conservative and that it should welcome some of conservative elements fight thanksgiving insurgency against the establishment of the party. mike pence is now establishment the party, he is vice president-elect. when donald trump and his $1 isors are talking about trillion infrastructure package as top priority for getting out

100 days of the new administration, mike pence in the video about eeding spending offsets for hurricane katrina relief. to demand ce going spending offset for infrastructure package? hat is going to be a fascinating fight to watch, not only play out in congress, but within the administration mike pence take a back seat to donald trump and ultimately se, but say, i am subordinate to the or be nt, it's his call, more forceful than that? envelope congress and butted heads with the bush administration over fiscal be specialing to watch how willing he is to take on his own president and his own administration on some of the fights. host: the article you referred beginning of the ovember, life on the inside,

mike pence and trib lent trip with the donald trump campaign s the headline from the "national review" story, if you guest, read it by our tim alberta. joanna, a democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. like to talk about the -- did with gb thing he h indiana, but also what he it with the affordable care indiana, which he held out until he got his way, to in his wayuld put it as far as income of people, to threshold of 13,000. ofyou had 13,000, you're out the loop for any kind of help in indiana. wages he's e created, which is a temp rganization that will only allow people to hire through

at organizations $7-something per hour and the temp place takes $1 each hour people and hold the positions for at least a year, will take this country will o the '50s, and so mr. trump. we are looking at the onset of back things we have already set in place, which is liberties s and that's supposed to be here from beginning. now we're going back. tony cook, can you pick up history of mike pence and how he dealt with the affordable state?t and wages in the guest: yeah, sure. so i guess i'll start with the latter. wages, that has been a constant criticism from democrats here in indiana, the administration. while unemployment is low here

indiana and jobs, record number of jobs here currently, same time, the wages in other o folks states is not risen as quickly has been consistent source of criticism from this political opponents here. we may be attracting jobs, but re those call center jobs that pay relatively low wages, the that we igh-tech jobs want to be attracting that carry higher wages? certainly been part of the debate here in indiana. expansion, you know, this was a situation where pressure from as the hospitals to expand the and am here in indiana pence was essentially looking for a way to do this in a way was consistent with his conservative values.

longer old out a year than many other governors, as he hhs over how to implement the expansion here and initially they probably wanted some work equirements and things like that to be associated with the expansion, they had to give up things at insistence of is still the host: about 10 minutes left in

this panel. we will put the numbers up on your screen. on twitter -- mike prince -- mike pence is a prince among players. well spoken, intelligent john. and then another different take -- pence seems to be preparing for the president. a racist and bigoted and worse than trump. in like don did from saint cloud, florida. go ahead. guest: -- caller: good morning, c-span and good morning to the american people. mike pence can no longer take the high ground as a conservative in the party after backing and supporting a man like donald whose administration has shown already that they are picking the billionaires and clan members to run the united

states of america. the republican party can no ifger take the moral ground they are the -- that they are the party of the righteous people. not all republicans, but the ones who supported trump have racist,at they are bigots, and as hillary clinton said, deplorables. guest: there's no question that vice president-elect mike pence has become, in a mystifying fashion, one of the most polarizing people in politics in the country. to theystifying because point somebody raised on twitter, it's hard to find a more genteel, soft-spoken,

relatable, kind of every man in politics. there has beenow great upheaval this year, not just in the u.s. but across the whole world. , a lot of with brexit people wondering what was brexit all about. and it's really simple. people wanted their country back. they were tired of centralized bureaucracy, people in other lands come other capitals making decisions for them. it was simply sovereignty and self-determination. here in america with donald trump being elected president. people do want their country back. he said things like you don't have a country if you don't have borders. have been told we could not say any longer as conservatives. he talked about trade agreements working for the best interest of america. he talked about government

working in the best interest of its people. people here in washington and the media that don't seem to understand that simple idea. their government here in washington is not working in their best interest. we have had leaders for a number of years talking about it. reagan explained very simply that government is not the solution to our problem, it is our problem. today led one of the greatest revolutions for the with his contract for america. ofdid not just ride a wave outlook opinion, he helped create it by showing people and explaining to them exactly what was wrong. they knew what was wrong but did not know what it was. that revolution lasted a while but, i'm afraid our republican colleagues did not carry through

on a lot of those ideas. we have seen this doubling up across america for a number of years. we sought in 2010 with the tea party, of people tired of government invading their lives, tired of bailouts, tired of the government not representing them. in 2012, the republicans lost a big election going back to their old way of doing things. by 2014, you saw it spring up again as senators and congressmen campaigned to repeal oura care, to control borders, all the things consultant said we couldn't do. this has been bubbling up. book last newt's "breakout." girl,ks about a little abigail, with cancer. knowing there were drugs that

had been in test that could help that herthe things parents went through and people all over the country, trying to get the fda to get her the opportunity to try, but they wouldn't. look at these governments and these agencies and i'm sure newt might detail some of that, you look at the fda and wonder if there are more people than they are helping. is the environmental protection agency hurting our environment more than helping? is our education hartman diminishing students opportunities in life? it's hard to find the government working in the best interest of the people. i think that is what this last election is about an lot in the media have tried to cast this as some kind of negative populism, but hopefully, it is a wake-up call for people who come into

the office and take the oath of office and represent the people who would actually do that. has been more who involved in this than newt gingrich. i have seen it up close and personal. met he did in 1994 inspired to run for congress in 1998. though he left at the same time i walked in the door, he continues to inspire and break new ground. closely with donald trump over the last couple of years, been a great advisor and played a key role in helping trump navigate a political environment he had never wait into before. i can see newt gingrich and a lot of the policies. i'm proud to have him here at heritage. thank you so much for joining us today. [applause] mr. gingrich: thank you very,

very much. i'm always delighted when we have an opportunity to come back to heritage. at and i were dramatically younger, lease to meet on stanton to circle when heritage was much smaller and we had this vision and then reagan got elected and a number of things happen. to be back here at this moment i think is exactly right. the third great effort to break out of the franklin delano roosevelt model. heritage played an absolutely run-upe role both in the to the administration and the election. today the best single pre-election development of 2000y ever done with over recommendations which over 60% became policy and with over 250

volunteers around the country, most of whom ended up implementing the chapters they walked in with a real understanding of what they needed to do. 1994, heritage helped with the contract for america and i think it is fair to say as we developed ideas, the only talent budget in your lifetime was developed with close work with heritage. well for -- welfare reform was developed with close work with heritage. concept of the contract through its strength with help from heritage. heritage is a key source for the theirpence team, for ideas and what we need to get done. i was thrilled to be asked to come and share some ideas with you. five key messages i want

to go through briefly and then take questions. first, president-elect trump is figure worthyoric of study in his own right. m is a bold trumpis and profoundly different way of thinking that needs codification and development through action. third, the combination of inertia and relentless hostility of the left will challenge the sm.y survival of trumpi fourth, millions of americans will have to work for trumpism to succeed. for us to be able to develop the ideas, when the arguments at city council and county commission, school boards across state legislature, always things are possible, but it takes and norma's movement. finally, i want to talk the flea about us.

what do people who are activists in this movement and around the country have to have an obligation to do. we are going to have to overcome the bitter hostility, make no bones about it -- there will be bitter hostility from the entrenched left, the media, the academic world and the bureaucracy. at reese that, every day, they will seek to derail and defeat what we are trying to accomplish. part ofof us has to be a movement of active citizenship. want to start with what may be obvious but so me of our friends in the media don't seem to get it, i thought i would take a moment. president-elect donald j. trump is a unique american leader. people don't really stop and think about how unique. , no onelet me repeat has won the presidency without

having held public office or served as a general in the military. start there. he is automatically unique. trump has been a national figure for a much longer time. produced a book called "electing trump." to go back and read and realize all of the famous people who show up on tv and write commentary in the washington post, they were not just wrong, they were wrong about being wrong. they have learned nothing. realize donald trump was not some person who showed up one morning. in 1988, opera asked him if he was going to run for president. this is not a question you ask me people. they said at the time probably

not, unless the country got into real trouble. larry king was on and announce he's forming an exploratory committee. three monthsfor and figures in george w. bush has locked up the nomination and because he's a rational businessman and does not believe in throwing money away, he does not run. calista and i were at the downtown marriott in des moines. a famous place for anyone who follows american politics. trump was there and he was and atre a conference that stage he would have been likely than donald j. trump. trump called us and said would we have breakfast with him. for 45 minutes, he asked us about the campaign we waged in 2012. what did we learn and what was

it like. it was clear he was thinking about it. this is the first break point. normal political ambitious person, you hire three or four consultants to tell you what you should think. shouldll you that you focus on spending money which they will spend on focus groups to tell you what you should believe and they will indicate how smart you are because you are smart and they would prefer you not to do anything. so you should raise money. try that around donald j. trump and he just runs over you. it is hopeless. i was asked one time as part of this process, i was on bill o'reilly one night in the very heat of the primary season and o'reilly said to me why don't the republican candidates attract -- attack trump?

he'll, donald trump is the grizzly bear in the revenant. [laughter] if you get his attention, he will get awake. when he gets away, he will walk over, bite your face-off and sit on you. [laughter] the other candidates watch him do that and go not me. let the bear eat. i don't want to bother him. that started with low energy j eb. people forget who donald j. trump is. all these people in the news media, this is the major part of the watershed. this is a genuine watershed. rule that'sld different from liberalism. there and there is the post-november 8 world if we can make it real.

to be turnedly has into the trump reality and there's a begat in those two and it's going to take a lot of work. elites could not figure out that this is a guy who made his entire living marketing to consumers. he had thought every day how do i get you to come to my golf course, my hotel, how to i get you to buy my tire or watch my tv show? he said what is your device i said i don't have any device, you are a better debater than i am. because he is totally different -- a totally different debater. i'm not integrating myself, but he into its the audience in a way i cannot do it. i cannot get the rhythm the way he does. b. you had low energy je

which is untrue. he's a fine guy, a good friend of ours, but he said it in such a way that it stuck. he said to such a degree that i got inside jeb's had. he ended up running, literally running around new hampshire to prove he's not low-energy. 1 -- [laughter] this is not easy. disgraces ofeat the pop up and the media that we have -- all of us on the right, begin to realize the propaganda with cannot come to grips the level of talent they are dealing with. you -- briefo commercial, "electing trump" is available online as an e-book. i tried to outline the campaign as it unfolded. the first break point for me was the fox news debate in august

when trump and megyn kelly got into a brawl. if you go back and watch after that debate, everybody in the elite, including franklin's and his focus group, which are social organisms thomas so they talk themselves into positions they don't believe, a very key you of what happened is finally have a guy thing that's not true. then people say i didn't think it was either. night, we watched the debate. and i'm watching all of these people pontificating. they were unanimous that trump had lost. there were still 16 other candidates. not just on right wing places, people were picking trump and i'm sitting there as a historian going all of the elites believe this and 70% of

the people believe this -- this is a -- this is an anomaly so large that it makes you stop and believe you don't know what's going on. i just wandered around going that's weird. then something else would happen. about president trump being unique, he defeated 16 republican candidates. nobody in the washington post or new york times gets this. 16 candidates, many of whom were first-class candidates. they were not stupid people. governors, senators and one of the characteristics was simple. it would show up and say to the audience and say i've been a successful government and they would say not him. they decided they wanted somebody was going to kick over the table. they did not believe washington could be managed. they believed the gallup poll

were 75% of people said there was widespread corruption. 25 million americans dropped out of the middle class and they were mad. there was a general sense that washington was out of control. 76% were mad at their own leadership. you show up and say i been working really hard in washington and they would say i thought so. there's one group that in mid-first song will take your stuff and put it through the shredder and it's very demoralizing. it's all happening to very fine people. the one person who came close was ted cruz who is a princeton debate a -- debater, harvard law right with and eight great speech on the potential for kicking over the table. in addition, he could prove he

was ready to disrupt the send -- the senate. and they said this guy's not ready to work with the senate because he doesn't. than halfway through his great speech, trump would walk through, kick over the table and walk off. theoretical speech or kicked over table, which do i want? he's been married three times, yes, but he is going to kick over the table. whatever the next story is, yes, but he's going to kick over the table. no one in the media could figure this out. he figured out what the come three -- what the country was desperate for. they are not here to accommodate washington. they are here to kick over the table. [applause]

and let's be very clear about something because i'm watching now and luckily i'm old enough i don't get too angry about it. use a word that's very harsh, but i will explain it in a minute. to same idiots who failed understand trump was going to win the nomination then failed tounderstand trump was going win the general election. they are now commenting on trump's cabinet. it would be like having a sports reporter who miss reported a football game talking about how many home runs were hit. you would get a new reporter. all of these people -- you have people out here on tv who have been consistently wrong for two solid years and they get promoted. because their editors were even more wrong. then, they tell us what they think, which is junk.

it's important to put this in context. these are the same people who are as wrong about the cabinet as they were about the general election. keep that in mind every time you hear it. we were only wrong about half the time on fox and that was a miracle compared to some of the networks which were not in touch with planet earth. it was the professional billion dollars clinton campaign on behalf of the inevitable next president who forgot there was an electoral college, trump, who ,upposed to be an amateur getting to 270 really matters. as a businessman, we are going to keep score by 270. he said not going to california,

i'm not going to new york, i'm not going to illinois. i'm going to get killed in those states but it won't matter. if i carried pennsylvania, i willin and michigan, be elected. he actually broke the code. [laughter] with reince priebus help, and chairman priebus deserves a lot of credit cozy -- because he is from wisconsin. they figured out if they walked into milwaukee, the democrats might go to milwaukee. , theey go to minneapolis national media would say these guys are so stupid. they think they're going to carry minnesota. know why they are being this stupid. what they knew that no one in the washington press corps and it was minneapolis television covers southern wisconsin. so they were getting all the coverage of southern wisconsin without letting the democrats think about wisconsin.

she went off somewhere. by that stage, i wasn't paying any attention. smaller, less expensive trump team that figured out the keys to the american system. particularly the core group toward the end, steve bannon, kellyanne conway, jared kushner job.id an amazing they were handling the candidate part of the campaign while reince priebus and others had 7500 fieldworkers having learned the lessons of 2012. it was a synergistic impact of trump is him on big rallies and on the internet with a systematic rnc, probably the biggest since mark hanna that really came together and we won. at that point, the media went into a state of shock.

this,e center of all of the person without whom it would not have happened is donald j. trump. you have to remember it was his vision of making america great again. it wasn't just that he was a good, articulate guy, he had a message. it was a message the other candidates could not understand and could not articulate. he would say it again and again -- we can make america great again. he combined two different things -- huge rallies and twitter and facebook. i think he currently has 28 million people on twitter and facebook. as you go -- as you grow twitter and facebook, you can decide on a tuesday let's go to tampa on friday afternoon. tweet everybody in florida at no cost. this is why billion-dollar

campaigns are not indicative of eating smart. and 30,000 people show up. ring smartphones, so they are all taking pictures. he gets out there, he stops, he lets everybody take his picture. what do they do question mark they put it on facebook, on instagram. 30,000 people becomes notionally a minimum of 1,200,000 people network, three times the size of msnbc. [laughter] you are drawing media coverage, your media arrives for free. night was the florida primary. trumpelling trump wine, water, trump steaks.

and he's doing two things. this is the point where mitt romney had been his nastiest, great isg trump was a this man even though he was worth 50 times as much as met. we are not going there this week. the second thing he was doing is testing the networks. hillary starts to speak -- i've never seen this before in american history. and notstarts to speak a single network covers her because they understand in the age of the clicker, everyone will leave because they want to see what else trump is bringing out. are you going to get a camel? who knows what he's going to do next. plays of theat campaign was i challenge them to write an elephant into the

campaign. you have sure member he had an instinct for totally dominating the media. the only other president who has the totality trump has is abraham lincoln. there are several great books on abraham lincoln and his ability to deal with the media. what do you get? you get a thank you tour. there are two really good reasons for a thank you tour. it dominates the media and i have a very going back to reagan --you -- i think romney was they were going to talk about romney and trump said that's good. i hope he does rallies for his whole presidency. he draws the strength of reminding himself he's the tribune of the american people. not of washington. it's very important for him to

see 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people and be reminded that he hasks for them and then he a moral authority nobody in the -- in the bureaucracy or congress has. it's very important if trumpism is going to succeed. the only rise comparable to trump is lincoln's rise. an almost entirely trump-manufactured rise. it was a continuous application of intuition and energy. know whoother person i personally managed that kind of rise was lincoln. an amazingw in place. it's astonishing to me as a historian how the elite media missed all of this. they are so rabid, they're so ideologically committed, so terrified of the future that

they cannot stop and ask themselves what is this anomaly? they just can't do it. you see it in today's stories. it is amazing to me how much the elite media and many of the think tanks, not heritage, have attacked trump incident not study it. the washington post ran a piece on the degree to which trump is pointing and i'm grand cabinet. and cabinet. if you are on the left, she's the kind of person you never read but once saw the cover of the book. [laughter] i'm going to come back to that in a minute. somebody sent me an article from the post which -- they are -- i'mit in terms

arguing he is an anti-john gault. "at leschk at shrugged" john gault is a billionaire who withdraws from society because he's so sick of the welfare state and so sick of redistribution and so sick of the idea that creative people are being dragged down by noncreative people. it is both defensive and cowardly. all of these people are so incompetent that he's withdrawing from the fight. to go on strike and all the creative people are going to refuse to be creative and society will write down. seemed plausible if you read the "new york times" coverage of the soviet union.

where john gault retreats, trump attacks. where john gault goes to a mountain vastness, trump goes to the american people. withdraws,gault trump says let's have a movement. john gault says it's over and all we can do is hold up in the mountain vastness. trump says why don't we make an american great again -- make america great again? it's a wonderful civil overlay that says the road to opportunity is to arouse the american people and with them, take back their country and he is living out. that makes him, i think, a historic -- an extraordinary figure. he could have gone to mayor largo and that would have been the john gault withdrawal. he could've gone to 15 different golf courses and hidden.

instead, he voluntarily decided to go into the public arena -- this is a guy who survived new york media. vicious,as going to be nasty and personal because it had always been that way in new york. americatrying to lead is worth paying the price both financially and personally. can solve oure problems, we can make america great again. to the american people, aroused their spirit and gave them hope. gaultis an optimist where was a pessimist. attack trump, he immediately counterattacks. that's not a function of personality. he learned with the new york media that you hit back as fast as you can because that's the next edition. you never get by with letting

them hit you. show him an opening and he will take it. trump is him is much more than just motion, much more than being active. it is an appeal to the american people. think about the phrases that work. trump is in the tradition of washington, jefferson, jackson, lincoln, roosevelt and ronald reagan. in every case, they believed in the american people, they aroused the american people and led the american people to victory over entrenched, powerful interests. trump is a combination of andrew jackson, theodore roosevelt and pt barnum. that's the best way to understand him. he is as disruptive as jackson, as energetic as theodore day,velt, and he sells all every day. and by the way, he likes that analogy. he thinks selling is fine.

but you ought to be actively out there. the victory is much more than a personal achievement. you now have more republican state legislators at any time in history of the party going back to 1854. 34 governors, control of the senate, control of the house. there is an underlying thing which has been building that started with reagan in 1980 and we renewed it in 1984 and there have been detours when you have had republicans that do not get it. that, therebelow has been a continuous, study -- 25 states have republican governors and republican legislatures.

why you have to have a movement. if you are in control, what are the principles you're going to apply? we have just begun work. all you have done is one a ticket to the dance. now we have to dance. we have to dance for eight solid the countryl that elects another republican establishing firmly we have replaced the fdr model and we are now in a time of very different government. inc. about the phrases trump used -- make america great again. you can't get more politically incorrect. can you imagine if you walked into a typical ivy league university and said my goal is to make america great again. they would have kicked you out. you are a weird nationalist to do and understand the larger, global nature. that implies some people are not great and we should all be great, so why do we be equally

great and we will give out greatness cups to everybody and they can all feel great. is ais what trumpism rebellion against. [applause] --n you have the them asian the amazing contrast between protect america's borders between hillary's dream as she said to the brazilian bankers of an open border for the entire western hemisphere. so 600 million people can visit when they want to. fight for trade deals rather than deals that kill american jobs. if you are the elite, you would wonder about why you are doing that because all of those jobs are in the flyover country and those with people you never meet anyway. trump actually believes we should defeat isis. he said we should protect christianity. he said tonight to go that it's ok to say merry christmas again. [applause]

the endless, vicious, uncaring assaults on the left by things like saying merry christmas are going to drive the country apart. he says we should drain the swamp. a position held by almost everybody except the swamp. [laughter] .e wants to end the corruption gallup reports 75% of that is widespread. he thinks we should speak bluntly and deliberately and methodically break up political correctness. look at it again and again, these are the course of trump is him -- of trumpism that resonate people. say i'm proud of the american flag and they resonate. then the current president is noting about why it's ok to

stand up for you play the national anthem because they might have a need to convey the depth of their unfamiliarity of --t is happening and we must this country has treated the multimillionaire athletes so badly that they only have seven royals royces and -- rolls-royce's and three houses. americans look at this kind of junk and say i have two futures. i get weirdness and i get normalcy. media,great shock of the weirdness lost. people came to the rallies not just to see trump, but to hear him. this is why i think trumpism israel. it was -- she's a brilliant messenger but if he sounded like a normal left winger, people would say that is weird. think about the people who were the hats that said "make america

great again." i was in a rally shortly after theary clinton talked about deplorables and i saw three women wearing shirts that said i'm an adorable deplorable. if you want to call us names, we will wear the name proudly and run over you. i hope they will send t-shirts to hillary for christmas. smeared,elite media what i've for to call the propaganda media smeared trump, the american people cited with trump. the new york times was the worst offender among the print media. it's hard to say who is the worst offender among tv because they were so aggressively competing with each other. when the new york times printed article about trump's bad behavior toward women and the women says they printed the opposite of what i told him.

that's when you realize something profound is breaking in the old order. the old order is getting clumsy and stupid. the genuine revolution was building. the campaign culmination of defining the trump movement and trumpism, and i urge you to read these two, was the remarkable speech on october 22 at gettysburg where he outlined -- i think it is the archetype and its worth looking at because it it many layers of ideas and would be impossible for any reasonable person to read the speech and sick just trump was devoid of policies and ideas. equally important in the long run was his speech and the

release of the new deal for african-americans. these two documents represent a blueprint for the next couple of years that is profoundly different than where we have been. now, we see a new phase of cabinet trumpism in the selection process. the way he has selected this cabinet is very impressive. he's reaching beyond the accepted establishment systems. for example, he is willing to assemble a team -- the elite media is so hostile that they cannot bring themselves to stop and take a deep breath and look at what is going on. he is assembling a team no one was prepared for. recommendribes, and i to all of you "the art of the deal" still the best single book on how he thinks -- he describes

over and over that he wants the best. when he has the right to build the hyatt in manhattan, he wanted to be unique and the best. when he built trump tower, he wanted to be the best. drive to beconstant the best. and he is willing to work extra hard to do what it takes to be the best. let's look at the cabinet. general mattis is as good an officer that has served. he's an intellectual, a warrior, totally patriotic and trump has said in effect, i'm willing to ask for the first waiver since 1950 -- only one waiver has ever gotten a waiver to service secretary of state and noah's george marshall during the korean war. trump says this guy is so good i will ask for a waiver. if you look, there has been almost no opposition. this is the guy we could not

choice wasis first jim matus. then, remarkably, he picks john kelly, marine general, to be head of national security. he's a remarkable public servant. he lost his son in combat. he's dedicated to serving the country and he is perfectly prepared, literally the best person in the country if you are serious about our southern border, there's nobody better then john kelly. you could say take those and add general flynn, that's three general, is that too many? not for the american public. the only institution they think is not corrupt, it's the military. and you say shouldn't we replace those guys with lawyers or

harvard professors? think about it. this is why the left is in such trouble. be a remarkable leader and if you read his brief statement, he talks about the end of local correctness. not quite the statement you might have guessed. he knows more about controlling america's border and defeating both terrorists and drug dealers than anybody else i know of in the american system. tillerson who would be the news media' horrifying example. i want to confess upfront, tillerson has a huge problem. he is successful. largestccessful in the corporation in the world, he has actually been involved with making money. [laughter] it's going to get worse, i'm sorry. but the heritage tradition is one of speaking truth. tillerson has gone around the world negotiating agreements

with foreign countries. successfully. on behalf of an american company. -- ou are john kerry [laughter] or theary clinton, entire state department and your entire career is one of going around the world unsuccessfully negotiating non-agreements, tillerson is horrifying. what if he actually effectively represent america? what if we get good deals and he's able to explain trumpism to the world? all these foreign people he has to with his entire career, they are not going to say you are not x to see me.d re he's going to be so well-received around the planet that he automatically changes who people think trump is.

they now think trump is smart enough to hire really smart people and he's going to give really smart orders. tillerson has to be attacked by the left because if you can't attack the head of exxon mobil, you need to give up your card in the socialist party and go home. a remarkably successful -- and even worse, he's an eagle scout. there are various left-wing rallies where you go talk about eagle scout and what are they going to do next question mark that's the first step toward fascism. they wear uniforms. this is the beginning of the militarization of america. they will probably have girls wearing uniforms. manual from 1913 has girls in uniform and it is a totally patriotic thing. you can get it at the home of the founder of the girl scouts. the old order are deeply worried.

not only did he replace me, he's a great doctor, his wife is a doctor, but as an example of how bitter and unending the media is going to be, the "new york times" manages to write an -- dr. jillle about biden is always dr. jill biden because she is dr. jill biden, but dr. tom price is a medical doctor, by the way is not dr. tom price in the "new york times " because that would imply trump has picked someone for health care who actually knew something about health care. given the left's constant track record of trying to find people who know nothing to get people price is of things, the doctor, chair of the budget

committee and a great choice. governor nikki haley. indian-american, small business woman, governor, if only she were a liberal democrat. he has to mildly disappear because if she admitted trump picture, it might mean trump is more diverse than they think, so he can have picture, so she may as well be ambassador for several years before you ever hear her name. woman who has spent millions of dollars trying to help poor children. a clear commitment to a new deal for african-americans. carson.ter, dr. ben

this guy is amazing. he is a world-class pediatrician, he has spoken twice at the national prayer breakfast, he has written books used widely by homeschoolers, he had a movie made about him called gifted hands. he the news media thinks probably won't be able to learn d.ough to do had -- to do hu who say thiseople have ever been in the building. otherwise they would know ben would be ok. i wrote a column and said the real point here is moral authority. you're putting someone who rose from poverty to become a who islass surgeon prepared to talk about morality, about family, about supporting,

about the work ethic and that makes then carson the most important symbolic appointment of the entire process. faced with what may be the smartest cabinet of modern times, a post pseudo-conservative -- and we --uld be clear about this they described the cabinet as ignoramuses, billionaires and a few general. it was an idiotic comment. that person was clearly an ignoramus. but i'm going to close by suggesting you look at two books and an article that set the framework for the movement we are going to have to engage in. it is by the author of "the black swan."

idiot.n intellectual yet it's the most useful single article i've ever read. his point is 40% of the governing elites worldwide are people who are really good at taking tests and writing essays which gets them into really elite colleges where they take classes from professors who are really good at taking tests and writing essays. and they take tests and write essays, they get good grades so their professor places them where they judge, a newsroom more bureaucracy so they can continue to take tests and write essays. the only problem with these people as they don't know anything. they can write a brilliant essay on how to change a tire but if you show up and say my car has a flat, they don't know how to change a tire. this was the best explanation of what i've been dealing with. 80% of the state department. these are very very erudite people who are idiots. they are intellectuals, but they are idiots.

trump is not a financier. he's a builder. if you build a building, it has to stand up. a very important principle. you are faced with a reality that you have been governed by people in both parties who would not have a clue how to build a building, but they can issue regulations. this is why this will be the huge fight for the next generation. we will be rooting out the intellectual yet idiot's, all of whom will deeply hate what we are doing and write really in essays attacking us for being against their right to be an idiot. the other book i recommend highly is by charles murray called "coming apart." and itout white america has super zip codes. these are people on the top five percent economically and top 5% in educational attainment. he says people from princeton,

harvard, yale mary people from princeton, harvard and yale and surroundeden and are by other people who went to princeton, harvard and gail. which is why when trump began to rise, none of them understood the power of "the apprentice." because it was not on pbs. [laughter] ." was not "downton abbey this long butan this is a very important turning point in american history. i cannot say too strongly that every day by inertia, by bureaucracy, by hostility, by the very definitions of the old order, every day, we will face active resistance trying to stop us from the revolution we need. nationwide.vement

across the country, whether you are in the school board or state legislature or just a citizen trying to help, we need to think through why is our side of this watershed where we tell the truth or the work ethic where we want to strengthen america, why are we so different from the world order and how can we make sure we are moving in the right direction? i think it is very important. trump personally cannot succeed unless the movement succeeds. that's why he talks about the movement. the key part is to find people willing to move and get them to be part of this future. i apologize for going so long, but can i take questions? [applause]

we need to bring microphones. just pick somebody. you are winning. you have the microphone. you, mr. speaker. i'm with cti tv of taiwan. president-elect trump has received a phone call from the president of taiwan. theas also questioned bounds of the one china policy. kicking offs about the table of the one china is he merely pressuring china to make concessions on trade by using taiwan as a bargaining chip? thank you very much. think he's very serious about communicating to the beijing government that they

cannot continue to be aggressive and be on offense and not expect to have many things put on the table they are not prepared for. he was also sincere in saying someone who represents 23 million people who have had three different changes of power, you ought to take the phone call. --re's a certain hypocrisy even under obama. they sold billions of dollars of weapons to taiwan while pretending taiwan does not exist. it's also a little bit healthy for the beijing regime to realize there are no circumstances i can imagine where the united states would tolerate the beijing government attempting i force to take over taiwan. it's also true that when you are dealing with a country the size of china that there are no circumstances where we would encourage taiwan to declare independence because this goes to the very heart of the chinese definition of sovereignty. trump is indicating he will be

more open and he's also saying to beijing you are in for some very challenging negotiations and should not assume it is all your way. ask uswhy they did not about building an island in the south china sea or the devaluing of the yuan. -- you wantcreate a to create competition, fine, but don't tell us we are not allowed to compete. will international aid look like under the trump administration? mr. gingrich: i hope it will be very dramatically overhauled. look at the trillions of dollars we spent and ask yourself to bureaucracydoes our giving another bureaucracy money necessarily the best way for countries to develop? had we spent the same number of dollars in tax credits for businesses to invest, we would have created an amazing number of permanent jobs all over the planet. i would hope they would

profoundly rethink how we deal with aid. >> here comes the microphone. >> mr. speaker, thank you for saying christianity is under attack. i got to see that when i went as in herr army doctor beall last year and i got to see it across the world. i wonder what president-elect trump's position is about helping the christians even as we are doing for the least of these that are under assault. what is president-elect trump's opinion about helping the kurdish assault? i. gingrich: i.s. spec -- suspect it's much more aggressively in favor of helping the kurdish people in the obama administration. delusionalack to the nature of the old order. they want to pretend syria is going to be put back