on sunday on book tv on c-span2. on wednesdays washington journal, we talked to a professor about the history of racism and civil rights in the u.s. and her new book on the topic. this is one hour. journal": "washington continues. host: our guest is carol anderson at emory university in atlanta, correct? professor anderson is author of this book, entitled "white rage: the unspoken truth of our racial divide." and the book in a part stems from an op-ed you wrote a couple of years ago at the time of ferguson and the headline of that piece, we will show it to our audience. you said ferguson is not about black rage against cops, it is white rage against progress. take those terms, black rage and white rage and put those in

context. guest: it was during ferguson win -- win of the protests are happening, fire industry and all of that and all the pundits, regardless what ideological msnbc, fox, they're all talking about black rage. lack people being so angry, anti-violence and blowing things up. why are they burning of where they live? why are they burning up where they live? everybody was talking about black rage and i was shaking my head, this is white rage. i have lived in missouri for 13 years and i saw the way public policies worked to undermine african americans' axis to citizenship -- access to citizenship. ,hite rage is cool, calculated out of the courts, out of

legislatures. not what you see in the streets. it is lethal. went back a couple of years, the book is a history book and goals back more than 100 years. -- goes back more than 100 years. tell us about the history. guest: what i did was charge when african-americans made significant progress, access to the citizenship rights, you saw a wave of policies rolled out to undermine those citizenship rights. i start with right after the civil war with reconstruction. this is the moment were african-americans move from being legal property to being human beings to then being citizens. and that was such a seismic shift that you saw this movement come up from the white house, from state legislatures, from the supreme court to gut the

13th and 14th and 15th amendments. again, i tracked it through the great migration where african-americans are leaving the south in droves looking for the schools, good jobs and the right not to be lynched. instead, they face a number of barriers and tracker to the brown decision of 1954 and 1955 and civil rights. and then the election of barack obama. host: phone numbers on the bottom of the screen for our guests, carol anderson. we will take your calls in a moment. a little bit from the book, white rage is not about visible violence but it works his way through the courts, the legislatures in a rage of government bureaucracy and wreak havoc. it does not have to wear sheets or burn crosses or take to the streets.

tell us more. guest: yes, one of the things we have is a narrative in the society that only if black people would, if only they would value schools. if only they would work hard. if only they would fill in the blank. when you look back historically, african-americans have done that. , the responseng has been a wave of policies to undermine that. i will take a recent one. you saw in the 2008 election and the 2012 election, african-americans came out in record numbers to vote. election,2

african-americans'participation exceeded that of whites. what you had following that, we should be saying we value democracy and want people to vote and we want people to participate and it is democracy and feel like they have a stake in it. what you say mentally after that high participation rate was first the supreme court counting the holder decision. that we can severely though voting rights act of 1965. as then a wave of voter suppression loss -- laws that were designed that targeted african-americans with a nearly surgical precision to find a way to stop them from voting. host: one more question about present day, what are you expecting during a donald trump administration? guest: i am expecting that wide range will be in is full glory. through the be courts, through the legislature

will embed a whole series of laws and policies that undermine african american access to citizenship rights. the progress was made during the obama administration with sentencing reform. i'm expecting that to go by the wayside. understanding that the war on drugs and mass incarceration is not the way to go. i expect that to double down on so-called law and order. host: to the phones for professor carol anderson. herman is calling from louisiana . democratic caller. caller: good morning. i have a question. can you be a citizen of two countries? citizenon why, i am a of the united states of america but i am african-american and

the united states. what i am getting at is why are we labeled african-american? the white people are just white americans? host: why don't you answer your own question and then we will hear from the professor? caller: ok. [laughter] can you be a citizen of two countries? host: i was hoping he would elaborate. guest: first, africa is a continent. the description of african-americans as part of a move for black people in the united states to define themselves. to go from the n-word to colored

to negro as an negro with a capital "n" to african-american. -- the part of a way to definition of self because again, when you realize that for many blacks in the united states legacy.y is the that legacy of property and we have been fighting against that 1619. of property since and then waits 1865, again, it has been that battle against the definition that black people are less than. recent polls and surveys in fact 2016, blackday in people are seen as being less than american. erasedttle will not be

if black people just simply say, we are just americans. i will take the example of brazil. in brazil, they do not identify by race, but what you see is that black brazilians, in fact, have greater poverty, lower , the greater criminalization. what that does then is when it's a organized to fight against that, the government says we do not have statistics by race so that cannot be happening. part of what you are seeing here is this push for identity and to the push to have the data to make sure that it is very clear what these kinds of systemic policies, the systemic inequality is meant for black people in the united states. host: let's hear from paul, an independent caller.

caller: good morning. professor anderson, i have been looking at this problem since i retired a few years ago. i have come to the conclusion that the real root of the problem, that we all have to face, is not so much slavery but in the rise of scientific racism starting with the predecessors of darwinism. the whole idea that it is proclaimed heavily in the late 19th century that there was a ranking of human beings that the english want top and then the rest of the europeans and then the asians and then the africans . , it whole idea which gained received science from all of the universities. you look at woodrow, probably one of the worst racist in kindca, he talked to this of thing. the misuse of darwin's teachings to bf a heart of this problem --

to be active the heart at it has gotten embedded in our thinking. until we root out the idea of raising that science is proving to be illogical and without basis, what cannot really get it there. slavery does not seem to explain it. slavery was practice more widely in africa than it was enzyme the new world. for more people who owned slaves than in the united states. that yourably true ancestors are more likely to own slaves than mine. , i just wanted have you looked at it from the point of view of the misuse of what i will call social darwinism. host: thank you. a lot. guest: i sure will. it is not just the science. of understand his is

understand the way, for instant, that religion works and the power of religion. you had in thing being ordained by god and want to slap god on top of stash once you slept got on top of something horrific, it gives power and meaning to it in ways. thinghole person of hame to explain why africans could be enslaved. i also want to deal with the way that slavery was done in the united states was so fundamentally different than the way it was done in africa and african kingdoms. slavery and united states was multigenerational. slavery that the status of the enslaved carry through to the child, carry through to the the child'sd in

child child. that's a fundamentally different. if we try to raise the role of slavery, what we erase then is by the time of the civil war, gdp washe united states attached to slavery. we erase the economic power of the united states that was built on the backs of the enslaved. and then we erase the kind of and thes fervor religious rationale behind it. az and then you merge that with the science. it has not been as you said, still embedded in the academies. what the academy has done have to talk about how race is a social construct. what is also clear is that the policies and the systems that have come up because of the construct are real. and the way that people face those constructs so that we know

there are differential in the way policing happen in the way that employment happens. that construct in fact of facts less chances. host: more about what you write in "white rage." guest: yes. white rage really, probably until this election, swaddled particularly after the civil rights movement. protecting the integrity of the ballot box sounds just -- who could be against this?

what you see are these schemes, for instance, i will take north carolina again. ,here they said, the gop said let's get the racial data on voting and looked at how do black people vote? we see they use early voting instead of most of them comment out on the tuesday election day. many of the vote early. we will constrict the number of early voting days. that should cut down the number of black voters. we see their certain type of ids they do not have. those of ids we will require. then call will we will make a more difficult to gain those ideals. that's that kind of surgical targeting of african-americans. let me back up for doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing -- voting. that's the way white rage works. host: the headlines said the gop

attack on voting rights was the most undercover story of 2016. 25 debates and not a single question about the attack on voting rights even though this was the first residential election in 50 years without the full protection of the voting rights act. they go on to write that is the first -- biggest underwritten scandal. why undercover? guest: i am still trying to figure it out. it is huge. i did a piece where after the break the vote, there were several here who were writing we saw the rise a white nationalist and the brexit vote but that will not happen here because we have this firewall, this demographic firewall of blacks and latinos. i wrote their firewall is breached. it is under attack. we are seeing it in wisconsin. you had gop legislators who were absolutely giddy, it is the

quote, "giddy" about slicing and dicing the votes so that particularly vote -- blacks in milwaukee would have a harder time voting. they were pleased about that. we see it in texas where the naacp and the legal defense fund both found to their joint report that up to 1.6 million blacks and latinos what not have access to certain type of id that the state was now requiring. why this is underreported, not taken into account? i have to say maybe it is because of what it did was to target blacks and latinos and you do not want to a certain race into-- a certain the election debates. it needed to be there. when were denying american citizens the right to vote,

where trampling on democracy and we need to understand that. host: democrat, latoya, good morning. caller: good morning. good morning professor anderson. i hear you. , asme being a black woman long as they have been knowing about the ids and voter suppression in everything, why we wait until the last minute to fight it in court? behind the eight ball. it does not make any sense. when we say they are trying to put all of these laws in our way, we knew it before the election started. sometimes, we cannot be -- we always act after-the-fact the fact. we have to be proactive. truth is truth. yeah, they did all of that that you said. sogeorgia, they are doing

much in every red state that you have a republican leader. have suppressed the vote in some kind of way. where theyichigan, have the water problem, i did analysis, they do not go out and vote. it is so hurtful that now -- the , yeah, they had us in slate, if it were not for laws, that was still have was an slavery. that's a sad part. the stores in because they have to. everything they do is because they have to. they always thing they are right about everything. i've never seen a group of people something think they are god's gift to this world and not we. everybody makes of the world. it is one race that is coming down on everybody. and we standing around watching them do it. is an accident.

republicans, what they have planned for him, is on purpose. watch how it believes back to the senate leader on these emails trash they have been doing. we have all been duped. we have been duped. and the last -- we have to be proactive and not always subtracting. host: thank you for college. it is i would say part of the moment that the supreme rightstarted the voting act, you saw mobilization across the nation. part of what you do not see is it does not get big media attention. .e hear about there were series of lawsuits, early on a by the aclu, naacp, .he legal defense fund use activism. it was not like people were waiting until 2016 to file the

suit. -- you saw activism. they started early. i will push back on the sense that black people were waiting until the last minute. no, they were not. part of what you are seeing is you had a group called volta riders who were -- vote riders trying to help people to get those ids and running to all kinds of all kind of crazy barriers. gowisconsin, a man had to stateisconsin to another to get his original birth certificate. then they said, no, one letter was wrong on their birth certificate. kinds of shenanigans that were happening. this was no last minute thing. host: don, democratic caller. thank you forgetting got to talk with us. caller: good morning, mrs. anderson. you are ansure

educator and you know everything like that. but now, i am wondering have you tor, you know, decided to go the bible, the word of god in order to find out what our histories about? black people in america are cursed. and occurs is from god. and our oppressor is the white men which is the oppressor of the world. the bible says of the earth is given into the hands of the wicked. ok. and so therefore, everything is done by him because he has covered the faces of the real judges which is jesus christ, which was a black man and gave us this white to jesus we have now. and we are following their ways and ways of life as opposed to the way we were which were the jews of antiquity. we are the real jews of america

and we are not americans. where not africans. where not none of that. judites.ws died -- you need to listen to the israelites. everyone in america, all you blacks, hispanics and native americans, you need to turn to the israelites and listen to their program and listen to what they are trying to say. everything they say comes from the bible. host: comments from don. guest: as i mentioned earlier, the bible has actually been used to provide cover for the subjugation of black people in the united states. i think that's absolutely miss reading and misuse of the bible. one of the things we saw in the civil rights movement, in fact, you had ministers, black ministers, who had been preaching from it is supposed to

be bad done here for black people. that's what the bible says. you have to take it and you will get yours and i'll by and by, the hereafter. and then are another way led by reverend verna jones and then dr. martin luther king came up as saying, they were reading from another side. that's what we have to understand about the bible. it is open to interpretation. uses foro open to the those who have various pernicious, very pernicious intent. we really have to think about what is ab bible is saying in terms of basic humanity and basic decency. that is where we need to be really reading and not about issues of subjugation and oppression. host: al. caller: good morning. one, i think in every race and

every religion, two or 3% of people are evil. we do not fight a war does the evil people. also, black lives matter's started under president obama. if you look, it seems like the left is always on the side of evil. you have young african-americans who are arrested and charged with transporting drugs across state lines. what he told the judge is you did not know who was transporting drugs is a he ballroom the car from -- he borrowed the car from a friend and and i know. the judge told him he was the one driving the car across state lines with the drugs and ignorance of the lot was not a defense and sentenced him to 20 years in prison. if the same judge were to prosecute somebody like hillary clinton, he would say that she

sat and received classified in mouth and downloaded them onto a private server and gave it to her attorneys and had them delete classified. the rich is not being prosecuted. also, an african-american and hispanic is arrested. african-american -- they both go through due process. african-american is found guilty. he spent 10 years in prison. we have enough money to incorporate -- incarceration. without legal documents a but we cannot support him. we do not have enough money. after the mega lives do not matter. it is the left and not the right . african-americans, you talk about the bible. you look at what african-americans support. god says, do not allow a man to lie with another man. all of the democratic support

gay rights. everton american support gay rights. host: we will let you go. you said a lot. lived to tell the tale. casteel, a say black man, up in minnesota, who over because the police officer thinks he has a a robber just like

that they're looking for. he has a concealed permit. the car.ned down in that's the disparate treatment talking about. hen black lives matter and i want to say when black lives matter talk about black lives matter, what they mean is that black lives really do matter. long as we treat black lives dissupposable,r, we have not grown as a society. in 1999u begin the book in an episode in new york city, hat very well known, the killing. events as kindling for what is going on today. us more. a black man who

stepped out on his back porch to go get something to eat after a long day a worth. this is regular. the four officers from the new upk police department pulled in front of him, guns blazing and fired 41 bullets at him. down.t 19 bullets hit. , no criminal nothing, but being a black man in new york city. at the time, have you broken policing theory governing the way the nypd worked. the ad hyper policing in black community. ight after that killing, rudy giuliani, who was mayor at the was talking to ted coppell. my way is working. had the show "crime going down," and i'm thinking, your policies are worked. on have an unarmed dead man

a porch, hit 19 times with 41 bullets shot at him. your policies are working. began to start thinking through the way policies work in order to begin to undermine african american access to their civil rights, began, the german nation of moment.age came in that and because that broken window theory of policing, which led to stop and frisk. frisk, so at the time, 0% of new york's population were made of black and latinos. of all ounted for 84% stops. handful of whites who were stopped accounted for twice many of the illegal drugs and

legal weapons. if this was about law enforcement, you would turn your police force to look where illegal drugs and weapons were. instead, this was turned toward black and latino community, where the drugs and weapons were not. about t is what i mean the ways the policies work. what that did, led to hyper in those ation communities. the shooting of a man. anderson, carol author of "white rage," good morning, kathleen. caller: good morning. here listening and i want to say we as hebrew sraelites need to teach our kids what was black people before slavery.

talking about slavery, slavery. what were we doing before slavery? what were we doing on the west coast of africa? what were we doing when our ancestors ran out of jerusalem into west africa? okay. what were we doing? we need to goaid, y god's law, god gave the hebrew israelites laws. are oke them laws, we cursed. e sold us into slavery because we broke the laws. laws.o go back to god's [cutting out] we're losing kathleen, we understand the point. how about a response? the response is, i mean, here are -- i talk about slavery because that is where there are arts, but many scholars who fully document west as happening in

africa. so that is just not the focus of conversation, but one thing that you do see and i don't want to think of slavery as like, god, because in fact, the enslaved fought. they fought for their freedom. resisted. tools.roke their they put rocks in the bags, instead of cotton. they ran away. resisted. they fought for their freedom also deal with the kind of "we broke god's law and cursed," if we really are looking at the bible, god's law.has broken would bemean everybody

cursed and enslaved. we need to be much more judicious and we need to be more humane about the way that we think about religion and the bible. host: doug from would be cursed and enslaved. we need to be much monroe, alifornia, calling on the republican line. hi, doug. caller: thanks for taking my call. anderson mention as a state legislation and suppression laws and i have read they offered free state id's for people for the purpose of voting and i believe that actual voter suppression was on of pittsburgh, hen trump's stand was absolutely destroyed. that seems to strike me as voter suppression. when young people hear when they are being ts you a state legisn suppressed and your rights being taken away, they hear you are a victim and you end up being nothing more than a victim and never realize their full potential and that is a real disservice and propaganda, that is all i want to say. host: thank you, doug.

thoughts. guest: it is only propaganda if it is not true. the -- in wisconsin, for things e, one of the governor scott walker it was to hours of the department of motor vehicle in areas, particularly in the city of milwaukee. hours for the department of motor vehicle in republican areas of the state. you see for instance, in texas, where the -- when they passed sb-2, voter suppression law in texas, that the state knew that in over 00 counties, they did department of motor vehicle in 80-something counties and it was -- some people would have to drive 250 miles in order a government issued photo

i.d., but since they couldn't, drive, ot they had to somebody had to drive them. in the original bill for sb-2, was a provision that dealt with reimbursing people who had to drive a long distance to get a issued photo i.d. and the republican legislature drew reimbursal gh that o that in fact what we have is a poll tax. when you have the state systematically identifying people by race and by lass, that is not exactly tion, that is what the government is doing and when people need to understand that is what is going on, it doesn't make them a victim, it makes them understand they need resist.d up and host: our guest is carol anderson, professor of african emory an study necessary

exactly y and author of "white what the government is rage," our educated at at i university, got a phd ohio state university. ther books she's written, "the united nations and african american struggle for human "naacp and colonial -- miami book fair she attended at our website, book t.v. and type in carol anderson and the event should come up for you. obama,te about president of course, part of what you write, obama's solutions and the lack of radicalism in of obstructionist senate should have made him a hero. of the term, disapproval 85.7%

gop.ng among the telling us more. guest: we hear obama being a socialist, for instance, as the reason why he is so vilified, except when you look at for demonic the absolutely demonized affordable care act, obamacare. it was created by the heritage adopted by nd then mitt romney in massachusetts. private industry, private insurance companies, in fact, providing the insurance. it is a century solution to deal ith the fact that we have millions, as one of the leading industrialized nations, millions who did not have health insurance and could not get health insurance because of conditions, for example. not, here is his s

centrality, did not win his favors. the fact he tried to walk a fine did not do anything, instead, what you saw immediately coming out, were the kind of vilification. he's muslim, muslim, muslim, muslim is part of the other ring, making him not american, making him oreign, ome kind of -- you know, candidate kind of deal. when you look at his policies i say, he took over when on the precipice abyss.ive financial he helped right the course congress whose first line was we oppose everything that hedoes, everything wants. e are going to try to make him as mitch mcconnell said, a one-term president. hen you have that kind of

resistance in the face of that resistance, right now, the unemployment rate is less than 5%. has risen. building starts have begun. corporate profits have increased and the man is hated in a way when you remove all other variables, all you can come up with is race. blackness, his very blacknes blackness, created this kind of sense that this domain of the white house, the pinnacle of was now occupied by who could provide, who said, pin ultimate in achieve sxment how have you little black boys and girls i, too, could be president of the united states. that is terrifying. this is why you see the level of up, beginning with massive voter suppression.

ost: about 15 minutes, maybe more left with our guest, helen on the line from morrow, georgia, democratic caller. hi, helen. morning. caller: good morning, professor anderson, i will not call you i don't know if you are married or not and want to give respect. guest: thank you. caller: speaking of victims and the last ion, as per war on i think about the drugs as in the '90s, against where african americans were targeted as criminals and demonized, compared to the over billion, recent bill passed in 2016 by and pushed by the the victims of opioid epidemic in a

lot of the s and a are victims of these opioid epidemic of white. this is being pushed by the senate, they have approved it and they are waiting for the funding, i believe, but can you the way nd contrast that people who are addicted to opioids are not demonized nd criminalized the way that blacks were during the '90s with he mythical "crack" epidemic where all blacks were demonized and criminalized. calling.anks for guest: absolutely. absolutely. here was a study done by

princeton professor where she looked at the difference between how crack was identified and discussed and the way that methamphetamine were and what found was that crack was criminalized, as were the so blacks werew, een as crack heads and they needed to be incarcerated. methamphetamine in the discourse was seen as a public health crisis and that, because meth a white drug, that was affecting poor white america. rural the same thing i believe we're opioid crisis e right now. things i detail in "white rage" is that in 1982, when president ronald reagan started talking about the drug crisis in the united states, was a drug there crisis in the united states, was going ed about we're not after drug traffickers, we're going to set up treatment had a kind of you

reatment frame tlt work for understanding a drug crisis, but hit, in crack epidemic fact then you saw him come out with 4, i believe it was, his speech on the war on drugs. legislation e of coming through that criminalized crack and made tis operate sentencing where you needed 100 powder cocaine than you needed for crack to get the same sentence. we see that ere disparate understanding a victim andlly is we begin to see what that, how race plays out in terms of the looks at he society the issue. host: here is a question by from patrick, asks about the media here. the media have always been racism by in

misinformation and selective information. what do you think? guest: yes. host: what examples do you see? so i remember -- so yes.nstance, rroof, the young white went into emmanual cme african american bible study was never defined as a terrorist in the media, even start a raceted to war, even though he had a list of other black churches where he was planning additional ese killings. never a terrorist, but as a youth, as someone who illness, e some mental and you never saw a discussion of people could

raise him. killing of tamire rice, the 12-year-old boy up in the police, he was playing with a toy gun in a onk and the police rolled up him and he was shot within three seconds. when the videotape came out to account police officers was highly inaccurate, in fact, hey lied, what the media focused in on was that there ere like, what kind of child would be playing with a toy gun in a park? what kind of parents does he have? headlines d seeing about rice's parents. that's that kind of example of kind of disparate framing get in the media. host: brent calling from colinwood, tennessee.

hi. caller: hello. since i called c-span. i called when you had your 50th nniversary for the voting rights bill. anyhow, the question i had for the professor, professor i know i've seen her book t.v., she's -- her discussions about her book she's had on there. i'd like to find out if she elaborate on lynching know i've been research, what little research that i've done that lynching, or lynching h actually comes from colonial ary war, a virginia, lastin name of lynch, who had this olicy to be used against loyalists to lynch loyalists and pr property. is that true? this ny of the cities in country like lynchburg, is that

where the name comes from, is related? and also -- let you go, let me you brought up a couple of calls in.e want other fair enough to brent, got a couple points in. go ahead. guest: i don't know if the roots virginia, are lynching. i have read where lynching, in come from the colonialist in virginia. that has the things happened is that while black people were property, killing not profitable. but once the civil war was over and you had emancipation, then is a wave t you see of lynching that happens in quest foreign in this freedom that black people had. ne of the things, i talk about

n "white rage," the key point is that is policy. it is not bad enough that the lynchings happened, but it is hat they were sanctioned by policy, sanctioned by the court, allowed -- the killers were to that with absolutely no consequences, which made it normative. host: joyce from houston. welcome to the program, calling on the republican program for anderson. hi. caller: hi. i am irst let me say that almost 84-year-old black senior citizen grandmother. are talking about voter suppression. should be insulting every black person that said

we don't have, like we don't have sense enough to get a picture i.d. and the reason we don't want picture i.d. is because of voter fraud. i've worked in voting for years, witnessed so much fraud, i have reported it and nothing was done about it. that let me know there were peep high office that knew that this was going on and you know, voter i.d. have a i went to get said we don't have, like we don't have sense enough to get a i ture i.d. and the reason we , ad to have picture i.d. to get card.ary when it come to voting, ki walk in there and vote and i don't have to have picture i.d. about the diva white man. the white man is not our problem. we are our problem and one of break-up ofoblems is that black family. when that black father was the home, the jail house was not young black men and need and that is what we to come to the realization that we are our own worst enemy. more of each other than any other group, we are not dealing with that, we are it is the white man's fault or slavery. problem, the t our

white man is not our problem, we are our problem. and you notice every time it is time for voting, you come up with this race stuff. is how the liberal democrats keep us under control and emotion and once we come to the realization they are using us and we have used for our vote for 50, 0, 70, 80 years and still complaining about what we do not have. -- i didn't teach my children to say we are victims. taught my children they were victorious and as long as we say, you can't get this or can't do that, you are teaching them they are victims and that is what we need to stop doing. host: thank you for calling, we do understand the point. guest: yes. let me move through that. a law taught my children they w victorious and as long as we professor in california, i.d. ct, looked at voter fraud, the kind of voter fraud i.d.'s are supposed to stop

34 cases out of 1 billion votes from 2000 to 2014, that kind of voter fraud is not the issue. haskind of voter fraud that sieged g.o.p. legislators is not issue. and in for instance, in wisconsin, up march or april of this year, they weren't even allowing military i.d.'s as acceptable i.d.'s.ent it is a type of i.d., that is art of the shell game being played. -- what , i mean, this for rch is clear on instance is that if you have a white man with a felony a college degree, has a better chance of getting a with no a black man

felony conviction and a college degree. when you're doing those kind telling you , work.hing is at this isn't about victimization, it is about knowing what you are up against. i got to deal with this piece, too. one piece that came through for me in working on white rage was that black people are fighting for education. we're supposed to do and when we fight for policies come e up to undermine them. virginia shut down the public school system or prince edward county, we're voting. the fact that we actually voted, i mean really voted in 2008 and 2012, the response has been wave of massive voter suppression in fact were designed to reduce that vote. trug use, rms of

black people use drugs either amounts, but qual are arrested at 10 times the amount. understand how that works because that's real in society. ost: anna from desoto, texas, democratic caller. last call for this segment. hi, anna. caller: mrs. anderson, thank you so much for bringing forth what the last caller from people forget we were republicans and eisenhower was the last one that we really truly voted for. there is a holiday called june 19th, and june-teen th, in people that move into the state do people forgete were republicans and eisenhower not know what e that we really

that means. we were the last one and parts of arkansas and louisiana to get freedom. slavery had been over two years before we were ever freed. sometimes we still have that education, ith us, mr. chavez, before us, i raduated from a segregated school. i look at school districts now, minority children, i got a better education under a system, where black teachers told us what we needed do, that you will always be behind the eight-ball. you got to study harder. got to work harder. going t is what is still on today. and the people call in and talk under he bible and we're a curse. i'm not under a curse and i will never teach my children or -- i have onethat great granddaughter that they are under a curse. state supreme court judge harriet murphy was my government teacher.

she taught us how that we need think about the presidency, but about congress and the senate and that is where we're losing out and have you voter suppression, because congressmen and senators who are not doing their job are still in and another thing when you talk about the media, we ebony and essence magazine that talk about, mr. johnson, if you wanted to know years g, emmett teal, 13 old, he was killed, brutalized, ebone hnson put it in magazine. we don't have that, we're talking about booty calls and all that now. that is the problem. host: thank you for calling, anything you want to respond to? guest: yes, one thing that the brown decisi decision. when the states finally, after a decade or more of

ighting brown, one first thing they did was fire the black teachers. they were like, we will not have black teachers teaching white children. part of the policies that we're talking about that undermines african american access. moving forward, we've talked a lot about problems, moving episodes, forward, is there one thing this country can do to create better african s for americans, more equality? guest: yes. needs the big things that to happen are that whites need racism. to whites about because it is one thing to have a black person sitting up here talking, but usually it is like, okay, here we go again, right? saw happening e in this election, for instance, was that you had families divided. were trump supporters, some weren't. lot of g we saw was a

trump supporters, at that tima is really clear. issues of racism are strongly alliance with trump in support for trump. that conversation about the real history of this nation, hat is how we begin to move forward. understanding the cost that the united laced on states in terms of our democracy, in terms of our strength. host: carol anderson, professor f african american studies at emorwhereuniversity and author of "white rage, the unspoken ruth of our racial divide," than >> c-span's "washington journal' live with policy issues that impacted. a talk about the politics and the opioid epidemic in the u.s.. center for the study of the talk on "twilight

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