there is bad news for andrew jackson, as well, our seventh found overall rating dropping this year from number 18.o number but the survey had good news for outgoing president barack obama, on the list, ime historians placed him at number overall. and george w. bush moved up on the scale to 33 overall, with in public persuasion and relations with congress. historians rate your favorite president? who are the leaders and loser the 10 y each of categories? ind all this and more on the website at c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. phones on the "washington journal" until the end of the program today at hear about any public policy issue you want to talk about. start californiaing in. you breaking news being reported by msnbc, at the

for the dakota access pipeline. begun protesters have etting tentos fire as the evacuation deadline nears at the site. we'll monitor that, continues to site s out at the protest over the pipeline. phone lines are open, melinda up open phone in our illinois. you are on "washington journal." breaking news ve on at this moment, am i actually on? ma'am, turn down your t.v. and talk to me. caller: okay, hi, this is melinda. host: go ahead. caller: i have been listening to guests this erent morning. i want to thank kay from issouri, that was on an hour go, who was on fire and really spoke up for women and i imagine

a lot of insurance in life. thank you, kay. ith alex gomez on the program, i heard very passionate callers fear and desperation. i can't imagine being that person. i can imagine being democrat in democracy, i should say, in a free country. geography, uffer to as well? am i mistaken in that? ahead, melind awe are part of nafta, mexico and canada

nafta, as well. aller: are you familiar with sun king, art of wor? yes.: sun zoo, art of war, caller: geographics make a lot of difference, as well. fact that the control right in it demonstrates facism, it is terrifying. host: melinda in illinois. jim next in open phones, oakland, michigan. democrat. good morning, jim. caller: good morning. jim here. want to have a discussion immigrants nowave and why there has been immigrants. he united states, britain, in the 1800s, we had declaration of no slavery from some countries. well, these countries actually

continuedery and have to move slavery to the united other isn't slavery, but countries are, we use that to bring goods and sell to instead of jobs in we're making stuff, it from slavery countrys and ship nothing here. you know, ripping ourselves off with it. we're not making our own wonder why they can't find jobs. e had pensions and jobs people could it from slavery graduate get into, right? they took those away, they moved jobs to cheaper country.king now you have kids trying to find jobs or simple jobs and we have migrant workers coming in, the world else in slave labor. yes, i'd come here, too, if i was not american. try to. at least they respect people here, i think they try.

hoping that, you know, the at america e looks one day from all of us instead one side of things and his views and maybe he'll but, you m in time, know, i hope americans keep an eye on him. host: all right. thank you. host: jim, a bunch of the front page necessary major newspapers country talking about the immigration, the orders from the department of homeland security on immigration, illegal immigration specifically, we'll a few of those. start with the arizona republican, carol in big flats, a republican. good morning. caller: hello. me, i've got the flu. two comments. on the new lift where they are listing in order and obama is number 12 and they're saying he

go down as a great president. i want to know what he did. did to israel. he buried them. money over to alestinian and that is because muslim country. he lied when the obamacare, you could keep your insurance and your own doctor and that was a lie. also said you were going to save $2500. daughter is on, muslim country. he lied when she had to give her insurance up, they it.'t afford so that is that comment. on the r comment is ing p, i don't, he only do what he said he is going to do. cnn, you ch msnbc or will hear nothing but bad things about trump. go to fox news to get the truth. ost: carol, i think you are referring to about c-span's 2017

residential leadership survey, available on our website, if you want to check out those rankings over 90 historians, they went the gh and ranked presidents on different quality third survey in 2000 and again in 2009 and in 2017. olivia in delaware, independent. good morning. morning.ood host: go ahead. caller: okay, thank you for call, i've been trying to get through for six weeks. c-span, i'm so grateful that you show what times news e many without commentary. the liberal media, they startwatch when with what the previous caller said, i agree with. all these people have an but that is just like a

belly button, we all have one. almost 72 years old and i children andith my i breastfed and did all these things. woman who feels that she's independent, i live in section 8 voted for donald trump. i love donald trump. i loved ronald reagan and the tried to destroy him. destroy pallin. i'm a a thing, recovering alcoholic, almost 29 call we have a thing we denial, don't even know i'm lying. the peep nel their ego, they yes,paid a lot of money and i believe if it is not outright lies, it is slanderous slanting. as far as the president, abraham lincoln was pretty much he was actual hated whenpresident. we seem to have an addictive

news toward when someone is actually in office, we do everything we can to tear down and then when he's out of office, we tend to praise him. pretty that is addictive. host: libby, that was part of ur discussion we had about the historian survey. we had a whole segment on "washington journal" on sunday, want to go back or viewers want to go watch that. comment, liddy. caller: i did. even george washington, one of acted es said that he like he didn't want to be president, but he wore his show l's uniform to that -- we all have different perspectives, okay. my thing right now is a, i believe donald trump is going to this mess. of i do wish the media would stop ocusing on negativity, i've spent many years now with what i call show that -- we all spiritual tenant the now, they n think they won't let go of

you do something -- i would love for this mirror hey holdup to the people, constantly trashing to be turned around on them. whole group, that they get paid millions of gossip to sit there and and trash and they don't even want to look at themselves and hat they are doing, what has happened, i am old enough i've have any presidents and i seen the news media for 17 years, i didn't have cable it was so garbagy. i don't want to have it now, but see, okay, i d to i believe inry and my country, i've seen us go up and seen us go down and my rother frank was killed in vietnam and he wrote a letter to me i have never forgotten. said, we're fight thanksgiving war with one hand ied behind our backs, that seems to be a lot of policy. we expect these beautiful people

serve our there and country and they come back and can't get jobs when these are over there getting their millions of dollars to set tell us what is wrong with the people we voted for. host: okay. wapting to talk in open phone segment, margaret virginia. those in democrat. margaret, good morning. caller: good morning. call.you for taking my i am more than upset about this travel ban.and it is creating hate and violence there is notry and going to be enough control to riots on rest, what happen when is people start getting hurt? when people start getting killed over there? f immigrant is arrested, what recourse do they have legally to arrest?is immigration

if these things happen so fast, a person could get wisped off and deported without a chance to defend arrest? to their themselves.n so what happens families? where is the money coming from? it will come from our medicaid, programs, anything that helps people. negative. we are becoming hating each ther just from listening to comments on this radio. and we need help to fight this. host: rex, walnut cove, north carolina, independent. ou're up next, what is on your mind? caller: a couple comments, like countries that the united states gives aid to so what do they do with all that and if all these people have to leave their country to what are they doing with the money we give them? one more thing, united states overrun with

heroin problem like they are today because of that open border down there. kids are dying everyday of -- and it needs to be stopped and donald trump will do what he promised and people like me overrun with heroin problem like they are today because of that open border down there. kids him. host: rex, talk about walnut north carolina, heroin and opioid, issue you see there? yeah tis everywhere. every street corner. in towns like le around here everyday. call rex, thanks for the from north carolina. rachel, minneapolis, minnesota, next on open phones. rachel, a democrat, good ahead. caller: hi, i've worked in a now.urant for five years everybody is just terrified. i mean, a huge difference between when i would go to work to when i go to work now. there are people who won't even people who won't put their heads up because they are

they say something that somebody may say something to the wrong person and they'll wind up getting deported. scared people will come to their jobs and take them away. be rippedared they'll apart from their families. that even if you are not an undocumented country, even is if you are born here, you got to 100% ber unless you are native american, your family was that, its and on top of mean, we rely on our undocumented immigrant community heavily and ask anybody who works in a restaurant, they can that f. we -- everybody, you're talking about millions of jobs being shut down, you're talking about unsolved crime going up, people terrified to report to the police, do you think as ndocumented immigrant, they will stop now? host: rachel, in some calls

been blame here has assigned to employers who employ immigrants. what is the vetting policy at your work? the folks oss know are undocumented? i would say now, i'm not sure about my work in particular, i would say in general, or in a lot of the establishments in not just talking immigrants umented who at least now had special clearance because now the gone, we're e talking about dreamers and we're people king about just who have been living here since they were kids or people living 20 or 30 years and as far as the policy, when it comes i think thatebody, restaurants or certain establishments are a little more relaxed because guess what, those jobs are going to pay the

people born here and guess what, a lot of people don't take those jobs. people are deported, do you think anybody will take those job? butler, kentucky. republican. good morning. morning, sir. i want to say this, i'm 70 years old. i remember america, where i street and in the play basketball until 11:00 at night and never worry about nobody. city called newport, kentucky. e used to call it sin city, prostitution everywhere, there as gangs everywhere, mostly older people, the mob. to today, i remember we used go to school with shotguns in the back of our truck so we gets together and go rabbit hunt. there were no drugs back then i of. maybe sneak to the corner and drink a fifth of whiskey. this, 11 million

people have invaded the united states of america. that is the bottom line. that is almost a whole country. and what is really sad is these put their hand on the bible, uphold the laws of the united states of america. this to happen. just like this woman here, her want to payhe don't extra $10 for her meal when she $10 fort or pay an extra her shirt when she goes to walmart, she wants to have slave the world, like hina, $1.25 an hour, people work 11 hours a day, six days a week. no, americans not work like that. host: richie, i want to ask you, what constitutes success in your president trump as he tries to deal with this issue? to get all 11 million of those people out of this country to be successful? host: listen, i was here with reagan. was against amnesty and reagan went ahead and did it.

wasn't three million people was nine million people here. they are controlling our white okay, i'm not , hateful person, you get rubio, he done to run the president of the united states xcept being picked up by the bush's and put into office. ted cruz, what has he done to the president of the united states of america. what has any of the people in today [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] ♪

>> hears and some of what we have coming up for you later today. bring you a forum on the future of the north american trade relationship with foreign policy and trade specialists. president trump says he wants to renegotiate nafta with canada and mexico. coming up tonight at 8:00 david clark will be speaking at a constitution day dinner in st. louis. here, he talks about critics of law-enforcement. [applause] not acknowledging the underlying myths of the black lives matter movement and the false narrative of police involved killings is counterproductive to the common good of this great republic. raceding frenzy of

provocateurs, self-serving prominent politicians at the highest level of state and national government, and archivists and dozens of other groups sensing opportunity to exploit a series of tragedies and seize upon this moment to advance their own selfish agendas. lawe who oppose the rule of are causing great damage to the profession of policing that has been my soul life's work. they are turned to undermine the trust that primarily minority disadvantaged residents need to have in their community's finest. i sense that those at the highest level of government have created a tipping point within the psyche of our officers in which many are beginning to wonder if this honorable work is even worth it anymore. bydavid clark is joined

.eggy hubbard she gained notoriety in 2015 after posting a video on facebook criticizing black lives matter that program is tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. politico has this online story last night. paul ryan will take his first tour of the u.s. southern border today, kicking off house -- the trip tod the rio grande valley in texas will also include home insecurity chair michael mccaul and congressman john carter who chairs the homeland security appropriations subcommittee as well as several homeland security officials. -- homeland security chair .ichael mccaul ap president trump will make his first speech to the joint