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and their teachers for competing and making this year's competition a success. the top 21 winning entries will air on c-span in april and you can watch all 150 winning documentaries online at studentcam.org. announcer: washington journal continues. half hour, wenext are talking about a story on the front pages of most major newspapers. sayleaks posted files that they reveal cia hacking tools. a story we want to get into. one of the stories about privacy versus national security. we want to hear your thoughts. you can call. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. we showed you the headline on "the washington post."

one of the reporters today is ellen and joins us by phone. good morning. where did the leaks come from? caller: the government investigating, it is not clear yet, wikileaks claims that the files were handed to them by a current or former hacker or a government contractor. host: these include methods for using phones, tvs and other .ools as ways to spy on people did they include examples of when it happened? guest: no, not that i could tell. the files initially discovered that wikileaks claimed to be a portion of 9000 or so files from the first crunch of what it is calling vault 7. they claim it is a trove of

materials that shows the capabilities of the cia's hacking position. host: in terms of the size, you talk about it. is it something talked about in the size and scope of the snowden leaks? guest: that is what wikileaks claims. we should under score one of the big differences but ways documents that snowden put out and these is that snowden revealed programs that involved surveillance or widespread collection un-american -- on americans, u.s. citizens. this looks to be more like tools designed for use on spying on overseas individuals, , therists, russian spies

usual targets of the cia. cia said inas the response to the story that you and other reporters are talking about? have they said if any of these spying tools have been used on americans or just overseas? guest: they have had no calm and so far and suggesting they -- they have had no comment so far and suggesting they are reviewing. host: what about the industry? what has been the response from the companies that are named that have these vulnerabilities that are reported to be exploited? industry is as alarmed as the snowden and they are seeing a major initiative to protecting their brand against accusations their products are too easy to be captain to buy spyage -- tapped into by

agencies. whole, this event renews the debate over what the government, the government policy in terms of protecting americans cyber security and privacy versus national security, against terrorist attacks and espionage. host: that is what we want to talk about with our viewers. ellen nakashima, thank you for running through the story with us. if you have thoughts on this debate, what these reported leaks would mean for that debate, give us a call this morning. lines for democrats, independents and republicans. earl is up. good morning. caller: good morning. hello?

host: go ahead, sir. i have a couple things i would like to say. please allow me to say this, ok? the first thing i would say to every american man and woman out to start seeking god and not the president and demand. god,ed to see god -- seek true from our hearts. anybody that tried to destroy the united states and all of us complaining, we need to get in our bibles and read and pray. that, what they do should they do with privacy and cia leaks? as the lady was saying about snowden, i was in the military. i was in the military police. and a man like snowden, this

could, from what he did. we never know. this could come them from -- come from what he did. --elieve in my heart [indiscernible] we would not have leaks. host: his were at nsa and these are cia that wikileaks. edward snowden commenting on twitter yesterday. " the wall street journal" about this new dump. he said still working through the publication but what leak -- wikileaks has looks authentic is what edward snowden said. getting your thoughts. mike in virginia, a republican. caller: good morning. i have spent a lot of time

watching the news the last 24 i am one ofning -- these people that tries to consume news from liberal media and conservative media but because i think it is important to find out what everybody is theing about and not just side i like. i will tell you something that the conservative media was on yesterday and i have not heard it this morning on in pr or it is -- npr or anybody calling into c-span. one of the things that came in is not onlys dump does the cia have the ability to do all of these things with electronics and them terms of turning people's devices against them, they are able to conceal who they are and make themselves look like a they are falling actors to conceal it is common from within our own government.

i think the infiltrations for that if that is correct are just more than explosive. they are almost nuclear. it would mean it is possible that all of the stuff that people are complaining about russian hacking could have come from the cia with their ability to conceal who they were. it is something that needs to be --own into the mix because spending all of this time pointing fingers at each other and there may be something within most of us want to face up to. host: here is what the wall street journal had to say. the revelations are certain to fuel whether intelligence agencies that discover flaws should disclose them so that users can defend themselves from hackers or keep information from secret or used in intelligence operations.

if the leaks are determined authentic as certain experts said it initially appeared to be , it will pose questions over the extent that u.s. national security has been compromised. we are asking your thoughts this whatng in this debate and this wikileaks dump means. give us a call. john, florida, democrats. go ahead. caller: how are you this morning? wikileaks saying about , the thing i know about the 25th amendment is that is what they got bill clinton on. when he lied about having sex --

here we have donald trump lying. got him on tape. he lied twice already. oath.k an host: bring us to the wikileaks debate here. i think we lost john. charleston, south carolina, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. what of the things about this wikileaks situation is this, i or thehat the cia government itself has responsibilities to ensure our safety and as they need to know and to do certain things, but it has to be done legally. and wikileaks dumping stuff like they do, they take advantage of anduninformed, the afraid

people who just literally do not care. that is what i wanted to say. if the cia discovers a security flaw in a piece of technology, do you think they shall put it out so people can protect themselves or tuck it away in a toolbox that they can use to perhaps conduct surveillance or exploit in their efforts overseas? caller: my answer to that would be -- hello? host: what would your answer be? caller: my answer would be, i -- i don'tdon't think they should be able to get away with not informing me, the public. mistaken, if i am not is to protect us, right? the greater community.

but i do want to get this in before i go. im a -- i am a 40 year professional broadcast. i came into as a reporter. i will never forget the associated press handbook giving attribution to stories is one of the fundamental principles of journalism. wanted toee, what i try to say here is i think it is to pay really important attention to fcc regulations. when i got my broadcast license in 1979, a there was a provision in the 1934 regulation amended says you cannot send messages, superfluous messages, hate, russian, i wonder if you are

checking into gmail. that's a superfluous messages. fcc several communications act amended. the trump administration is committing felonies every day by sending superfluous messages. host: let's go to georgia, a democrat. what is your thoughts on this latest wikileaks revelation? caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. everything, look, the government knows what they can and cannot do. everything is written down. what is happening now unfortunately is that there is a great area. -- gray area. people are allowing people who use the different services to go beyond the gray area and that should not be allowed. i want to make one more comment. mr. trump and his entourage, they are in the gray area.

they should be in the impeachment process. host: one comment on twitter. he writes back in the campaign will wikileaks released documents on hillary, trump said he loved wikileaks, does he believe that now? the headline one more hacking scene is quiet on wikileaks' new attack. noting sean spicer declined to comment on the wikileaks a don't and the president -- dump and the president has been mum. spicer did decry saying they are threatening our national security. lisa is in west virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple of comments. reason this is happening is we have got a

says whatnow who just he wants to, lies when he wants to. in pews the integrity of republican -- impugnes the integrity of republican senators. and president obama who -- host: you believe that is why wikileaks revelations are happening? because, he said all of this about obama and they have to help in some way to get a new cycle off of him. -- get the news cycle off of him. here comes wikileaks to the rescue. it is a sad day for our country, really it is. entireou think this story is something to move the news cycle? caller: i think so. i think russia is helping trump

again through julian assange. host: you on the republicans line. how did you feel about wikileaks during the election? caller: i thought it was sad. i do not think that anybody personal emails should be -- ised -- i mean -- i think that mrs. clinton is a good person. and i would not want my personal emails leaked because i say things in private that maybe i would not want -- host: did you vote for hillary clinton? caller: yes, i did. host: tacoma, washington, a democrat. donna, go ahead. caller: yes. are the all, you

world's biggest dummy when it comes to computers and stuff. would like to know if any of your callers know, when you send something over a fax hackne, is it possible to a fax machine? i think we have gotten so used to taking up the phone and away.g away, -- dialing i know when i worked in government, if we have to transfer something sensitive, it went into an envelope and was handcarried to the officer or whoever needed for information. i think things have gotten too convenient for people with cell phones and all of the other things. one of your callers say, can you hack a fax machine? do not know.i i have not used a fax machine in quite some time.

maybe if a caller has information. david in washington, d.c. line for independence. caller: how are you? all right. i was just calling because regarding wikileaks, we keep forcling the same people intelligence and in the news. regarding john bolton iraq war stuff. we recycle james clapper, who is everybody remembers, completely lied i think the senate intelligence committee about what the cia was doing regarding snowden's leaks initially. course point in time, of , of course the intel community is going to develop new tools. i don't know what bothers me about it is i do not think anybody knows what they are doing and they can say that they

court they are using fisa and there is a process. when you bring it back to the panel, the intelligence i do not know if there is any oversight of what they are doing and that is the biggest problem of all that is reveals. host: the washington journal picks this up. wikileaks new damage. they write some of the political left and right want to treat mr. heroes.and assange as they write the cia's spying tools are for targeting suspected terrorists and foreign agents. harry in florida. for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning.

i was calling and then reference to wikileaks stuff. look, i do not agree with wikileaks because they are going into people's private things, ok? we have to be realistic about the this and so does our government. they do it on us and on foreign people. take -- step back and look at this in reality, this happens. host: you are willing to give up of privacy for security? caller: i am not. what i am saying is it happens. it is going on. host: what should we do once we recognize -- they keep talking about these investigations and investigations. he is not going to happen because they are going to put it under cover that nobody else knows what we are doing. host: ok. leonard inin -- to

louisiana. caller: if they know so much about what people is doing, they could have stopped the kid in charleston from killing nine people in the black church. they could've stopped the guy in florida for wounding 100 people, killing 50 or so and wounding 50 more. host: you want to see the surveillance targeted at americans? caller: no, i do not want to see it targeted like americans but it should've been targeted at these kind of people. they do not know everything going on. if they knew this beforehand, they could've stopped all of this. they do not really know everything. spy on allink they americans. they are doing something outrageous, yeah, you should be spied on.

evidently, they were not that good. they did not find out what these guys were doing. they did not find out what the kid it did in connecticut killing all of the school kids. is that they were good, they should have known beforehand what this guy was going to do and stopped him. host: hampton, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? i am a first time caller. i have been trying to get in a four years. on this wikileaks, i believe a lot of the stuff that comes from edwards noted. i would like for everybody who is listening to please, please read the book by edward james abstain "how america -- epston, "how america lost its secrets."

you will find that president obama in 2012 when he cannot get a pfizer court to give him the right to intercept certain or -- past surveillance of certain things, he signed what is called presidential policy 20. that gives him, the presidential policy 20, it gives them the right to survey all, to do orveillance, wiretapping whatever. i do believe he did that. host: are you referring to president trump's charges about what happened at trump tower during the election? believe it happened. i believe everybody as far as wikileaks should read this book because they will find out how wikileaks is getting most of this stuff.

from the other story front page of the business section of "usa today." the story noting that trove threatens to reprise the distrust when snowden revealed nsa collaboration between the government and internet companies in used by millions. tech companies have been trying to repair the brand damage since. they note silicon valley has responded to this latest document dump with silence. i want to hear from you. your thoughts. your trust of tech companies and the issue of privacy versus national security. a few more minutes for your phone calls. sam, an independent. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i am a u.s. citizen.

i have been here more than a quarter of a century. i lived outside of the country. i think privacy versus security, the debate here in the u.s. is markedly different than what it was or what it is in other countries. having been in both perspectives, i have come down on the side if you do not do anything broke, there's really nothing to fear. if you do something wrong or illegal, you have something to fear. otherwise, i do not think it is a big deal. host: do you trust tech companies? caller: i do. i do. i personally do not have anything to be concerned about because i have nothing to hide. therefore, i do not think too much about it. host: last caller in this segment. up next, we are joined by another member of congress,

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