>> john kelly appears before the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee. live coverage begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span, c-span.org, and are free c-span radio app. >> education secretary betsy devos is on the hill tuesday to discuss her department's 2018 budget request trade live coverage of her testimony before a senate appropriations subcommittee begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3. >> next, former president jimmy carter and vermont senator bernie sanders discussed global human rights, american leadership in the world, and the tape. this was hosted by the carter center in atlanta, georgia. it is 50 minutes. yes, maybe this is our

.ations great transition we are living in a very difficult time, as we've been hearing the last three days. from all over the world, with human rights activist from 31 countries, every region. they've come together to it ist, what do we get -- our honor and privilege to have to of america's most of my leaders. [applause] about, how doon we stand again for human rights in the world? how does america, as imperfect as it is when it comes to human rights, bring back human rights to the centerpiece of our lives? i would like to start with you, resident carter.

you could just summarize what you have heard today, where are we in what do we need to do now >> the best, they heard today that summarizes it, to keeptruggling now going -- what we achieved in the past. we are so backwards and human rights all of the world. one of the key reasons is, in other countries -- they see as the united states of america as a beacon light of truth and human rights and justice and freedom. quite often, our government has a claim to -- abandon it is one of our proceeding -- it's ok for us to do it now. entire world has slipped backwards in effect, and honoring and promoting into

championing and fighting for human rights, and holding it as a key guide for all of us. sanders, how do you see this problem, going forward, as america hopes to be a leader and human rights question mark where difficult time. what would you say is our priority now? >> first of all, we just expressed my joy at being here in the carter center with a man respected by the vast majority of the people in a country, those who may but agree politically or disagree, but his life, and mrs. carter and amy, with incredible dignity, so that we are also proud of what you have achieved as president and after president. [applause]

let me answer your question by i think, sayot, anything that will shock anybody in this room. i don't think the leadership of this country today in fact believes her strongly and human rights. moment, a a new pivotal moment in american history. with the president -- again, i don't mean be disrespectful to we support the president, but he is, in contrast to the gentleman here lies all the time. i don't mindeal -- people disagreeing, and we may disagree, people disagree with each other, called democracy. i'm often asked, would you think about what president shall yesterday russian markets had to answer because it will be different tomorrow. very often factually, what he

says is just not correct. when you talk about human rights, it is important that we do not allow the normalization of a situation in which a president basically says that all of the media in this country , new york times -- washington post, a lot of them -- believe me, i've problems with the media, but to suggest that all of the media are providing fake news, and they're really the only person in america, the only source of information that we can trust, comes from the tweets of president trump. how crazy is that? then you have a tax on the judiciary. with aes who, disagree decision, thank god that the world against some of his executive orders. him with mrs. putin, who has moved his country into a very authoritarian

direction, as well as other do notleaders who particularly believe in democracy. that is where i see us today. >> had enough explain the rise of authoritarianism? where is coming from question mark i think they -- the rid of it is something i haven't heard discussed much. 1999, a group today, in at the end of the last millennium, beginning of 2000, i was asked to make speeches. my subject was, with the for thischallenge entry? i said the disparity between rich and poor people. case, notat's the only between people in the country, but also between nations. i believe that the root of a downturn and human rights

.roceeded 2016 it began earlier than that. i think the reason was the disparity in income. that has been translated -- the , decent,erson -- good hard-working, middle-class people, feeling that they are getting cheated by government and society. and, they don't get the same theynt of health care, don't get the same quality education, and get the same political rights, particularly after their decision of the supreme court on citizens united. it's as -- unlimited amount of money going into campaigns. but now, even in politics, the choice of a candidate to be president all government all is notsmen or whatever, the same as rich persons.

and also, what the candidate gets in office, if successful, the average person feels that they are reporting their contributions with legal bribery. system is also gone down. election,s last 101,000 people were imprisoned. no seven out of 1000 imprisoned kabul seven times as many -- seven out of 1000 are imprisoned, seven times as many. so, the feeling of the average person, by the justice system, is missing. so, you know, basic human rights, income, status in society, health care, education, participation in politics, justice, the things in which we used to have complete faith, now the rich distorted by

people getting richer and the poor people getting poor were -- poor -- more poor. they commissioned a tax laws meriting us would keep them from getting richer and richer. dissatisfaction with existing system of politics resulting in the outcome of the election of 2016 in united states -- willing to take a chance to abandon democracy, and what we know about is the basic principles, and find something new. --one of our purchases market fundamentalism is the driving force behind this. what do you think senator sanders -- how do you explain this? i agree with everything president carter said. here's a situation. you got all of millions of people who are extremely angry,

disappointed. now we all know that as a result of technology, workers are producing more today than it did 20-30 years ago. and yet despite that, you are seeing people working not 40 hours a week, 50 or 60. their wages are actually going down. you how would you feel if are 50 rose manor working working in effect a factory command he wants to work today and 70 said by the way, our company can make more money by going to china, good luck, and you have to get a job --have to which is you formally made? how do you feel is apparent, when you know that your kid -- as a parent, when you want you can do better things than you have -- but you can't -- can't even find a home for himself, or maybe leave school to be in thousand dollars in depth. i think resident carter's right. i think if you're going to look at human rights codes got to

look at the term i use -- the growth of oligarchy in america. oligarchy. what that means, the president touched them both issues, it's not just that on both the -- unbelievably grotesque level of income and wealth inequality, one family in america owns more wealth than the bottom 42%, etc. -- but these guys are not putting their money under their mattress. they are using it politically. so, we live in a country where people fought and died for democracy, and you get the koch brothers in sheldon adelson and a handful of billionaires able to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to elect candidates the wealthy and the powerful. and this recent bill -- everyone familiar with this terrible bill passed last thursday in the house. the media describes it as a health care bill. that health care bill. get $300ll designed to

billion in tax breaks to the top two for -- 2%, and hundreds of billions more to insurance companies. so that's what you've got, the rich get richer, they protect themselves politically, the more tax breaks through the middle class shrinks, some people in this country live in desperate poverty, and then in the midst of all of that frustration and anger in pain, you've got theyody who comes along -- say, the problems that muslim over there, the latino. lot to doat has a come in this country, and internationally, with a lot of what we're seeing today. mr. carter: i am happy to see senator senator agrees with me. -- senator sanders agrees with me. i feel much more comfortable.

moderator yes. and of course, the rise of the neoliberal orthodoxy that we have lived within four how many decades now that we have been told the rising tide would lift all boats. it has failed. we heard many testimonies today about this problem. from the congo, pakistan, everywhere. as the united states exerts its influence in the world and we take a broader view of human rights, these are interlinked because we see in our country just as you are describing this, the police are expanding their powers. when people protest, we have increased incarceration populations. we have police using military equipment to control protest. we have the atlanta leader of the blackley -- black lives matter. we see all over the country, standing right.

there is a rising movement. interlinked. when these policies leave people behind and people riser, even in the united states, we heard today heartbreaking testimony from india. even in the last two or three years, we think of india's a great democracy, that is going away. you cannot even protest anymore. how can we use our influence in the world -- this question is for you both -- president carter, you put human rights at the center of our foreign policy. it was a difficult time. the cold war. it was not easy to do that. and senator sanders, you are in the senate, one of 100 seats of really where the only power is left in this country apart from the very courageous federal courts. our courts are standing up for human right. it had we get the united states to face its own problems but then become a leader again? >> a late you go first this

time. [laughter] sen. sanders: i can copy what you said. it makes it more difficult. [laughter] i don't think derail change we need will take place in the u.s. senate or in washington. it is going to take place in what our very raved guests here are doing all over the world. at the take place grassroots level from one end of this country to the other. and what i mean by that, as i've said many times, don't mean to get into the intricacies of american politics. i think in many ways donald trump did not win the election, the democratic party lost the election. that means we have to revitalize the credit party. grassroots. black workers, white workers, latino workers, native american

workers. i have spent a lot of my time recently not going just to blue states, but going to conservative states. likese if you go to states kansas or you go to states like nebraska, which i'll vote very strongly republican and you ask people, do you believe that it makes sense to give tax breaks to billionaires and cut back on social security, medicare, and medicaid, people look at you like you're crazy. of course we don't believe that. so our job is to go into the states to bring people together political agenda that has the courage to do what democrats historically have not had the courage to do. pointed out. there is wall street, there is drugnsurance companies, companies, fossil fuel industry, these are the people who are these are the and people who are donating money to candidates who will represent

their interests and not the interests of the middle class and working people of this country. so i think we need to revitalize american democracy. we of one of the lower -- lowest voter turnouts than any major country under it. some of you may have noticed in a few weeks ago, the french ofst election, almost 80% the french people voted. if we had 80% of the people voting in this country, the republican party would be a significant minority. applause] sen. sanders: so we have to get people involved and you do that by being honest about the real problems they face and coming up with rails solutions. cracks that you all see what i voted for? laughter] >> i think the thing we need to trends and the things with which we have faith and on which we can depend.

we use of faith and democracy. we used to have faith in the truth. we used a faith in our fellow humans citizens. we used to have faith in our public officials. but, we basically lost that element of faith. said, weing, someone must accommodate changing times but we must cling to principles that never change. one of those principles is the truth. and, freedom. and i quote it also frequent roosevelts four freedoms. freedom of speech. another's freedom of religion. two of them were negative. read them from want and freedom from fear. -- freedom from want and freedom from fear. i think the lack of rhythms to combat war because of a

disparity in income which i pointed out which is getting worse every year and also freedom from fear. we still have -- there is a long way to go. in some cases, we still have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. orare religious one where another so we have freedom of religion but sometimes it is constrained. and anyway, we still have that big obstacle to overcome. one of the things we need to do now is see how this small group of courageous human rights heroes can add their contributions of thought and experiences together and form a this smalltion in group and then expand into washington. some of you are going to be going up there to meet with members of the senate and the house and maybe some parts of the administration. i don't know about that yet. as much time as we can in the world. it never give up. in june i did together, which i hope we will be, being champions

of human rights and freedoms with a lack of fear and lack of want, our force can be greatly expanded on a global basis even. so this little tiny drop for people compared to the rest of the world can have a great influence if we speak together, forcefully, and courageously. sanders:: sen. president carter just open up the door for me not to let you up the hope that is late. you are in the senate, we have a people's movement for sure. you have a huge platform from which you can speak. we heard today for -- from russia about the danger of silence. that we have to seek in what is going on in the world. we have to highlight this regression of human rights happening globally, even in our own country. senate,embers of the your own colleagues, who are looking at ways the senate and

bring the power of the senate. after vietnam we had the church committee that made an important reforms in the cia. i realize it is an uphill battle right now with this administration but we have to think ahead. can we rely on the late-night amendment -- the lay high -- leahy amendment? is that something? theoretically. it is important, as the president just said, that even though we might be in the minority our voices have to be loud and clear. the united states should not be funding military dictatorships around the world. should not be giving support to leaders who torturing and in prison thousands of their people. somebody has got to -- you know -- what is very, very sad --

again, the president made this point. there was once a time in our lifetimes, not 200 years ago, when people thought about the united states they did think this is a country of freedom. this is a country that -- of upper unity. this is the country in the world that believes in truth. and, it is very, very, very sad that wehat the values once were respected for all of the world are now being diminished, especially in the last few months. moderator: a small group of us will be in washington later this week meeting with a few senators. we will be seeing senator corker. >> bob corker. moderator: has. >> chairman of the foreign relations committee. moderator: we know it is an uphill battle. aboutear we talked a lot diverting the resources from the machinery of war into the

machinery of peace. it into -- the machinery of human rights that is in front of us. do you see any opportunities, senator sanders: to actually raise this? we know there is a new budget coming up. an president has asked for increase in military expenditures. is there any chance for the people to be heard to question that? sen. sanders: the answer is of course. if you think about what needs to be done, then look at the top budget and it is exactly the opposite of what we should be going, right? [applause] sen. sanders: can you imagine a time when we need to folks on diplomacy, anytime one for people all over the world must know or should know that the united states is their ally, that we are there to help them with food. we are at their to help them with technology.

we are their allies. what president trump wants to do is substantially reduce foreign aid, substantially reduce the staffing and the state department, but at $80 billion ofe to the military on top an already very, very bloated military budget. and domestically, having done that, he wants to take that money, that 80 billion dollars in spending on the military by cutting pell grants, cutting the wic program for low income, pregnant women and children. cutting the meals on wheels program which provides nutrition and meals too low income seniors. in other words, doing exactly the opposite. our job right now, and i am working on it almost 24-7, is to go around the country and tell the american people, are those your priorities? more money for the defense? already we are spending more than the next 12 nations.

and there is tremendous waste within the department of defense. do we need more by cutting programs? do we need not to be supporting poor people around the world rather than leaving them as spray to terrorism? y to terrorism? moderator: do you think this drug in dollars we are about to spend is a wise use of resources? >> of course not. i do not think there is anyway for anyone, even your own personal mind to separate piece from human rights. because one of the basic elements of peace of human rights is to be living and peace. only then can you have other human rights like freedom of aeech and religion and also chance to have an incoming and an education and health care and a house to live in and things of that kind. when war comes, the abuses of

human rights which we all know about and about which we have talked for the last three years, but the number one human rights abuse, that is women and girls, serious.mes much more every human right we talk about that has existed in the intervals of human rights are exacerbated or made worse under the cloud of war. when a nation decides to go to war, they basically drop any feeling of love or absence of hatred or of version two killing. aversiond states -- or to killing. the united states has been a war almost constantly since the second world war. almost 30d now with nations. only in four years did we not have any conflict. i won't say which for years that was. laughter and applause] mr. carter: so we need to do

what we can to let the united states honor their basic commitment and purpose, to preserve peace in the world. the united states can do its part of it ever well but i think now we are a little bit more toward a military attitude. and, this derives not just from politicians. not just from the military industry. who manufacture weapons. from the attitude of the american people who forget about the fact that we are a nation of peace and most of us in the united states are christians who worship the prince of peace. not the prince of war. we are supposed to reach out and understand each other and not hate each other. that is a basic principle we need to remind ourselves about and that is connecting these always as human rights. that is what we have to concentrate on. without deviation. promoting peace. human rights.

sometimes, neither one of those things are very popular. moderator: yes. and since 9/11 will put ourselves in a permanent war frame and on a permanent footing for war. know, the bush administration started outside that path and thank goodness that president obama did avoid war with iran bang and he normalized relations with cuba. these are two fantastic, wonderful developments. but at the same time he did not change the basic framework with which we are living. there was a very small piece of territory where you can find al qaeda. on the border of pakistan and afghanistan. very small handful of guys. now the ideology has spread globally so it obviously has not worked. just as we are closing, any thoughts about how can we get out of this mind? we have to change the minds of the american people that this is actually a pathway that is going to lead to more security.

how do we do that question mark had we get the american people to see that investing in peace and human rights is a better investment and will make them more secure? sen. sanders: what advice you have for us? two points.: we do have, going back to somebody who preceded president carter by a few years. dwight d. eisenhower. y'all remember what he said in his farewell remarks. that is, beware of the military-industrial conflux. if you think the military-industrial complex was strong when he left, it is far stronger. do not kid yourself. when we expand military spending and develop new weapons systems, there are corporations making huge amounts of money. billions of dollars of profits. the oversight abuses minimal. often they tell you they will do a weapon system for a certain amount of dollars and a big gains to be two or three times

more than that. massive overruns. a lot of corruption going on there. i think i would get back to the point i made earlier. what this country is hungry for which says, no we are not going to spend $700 billion a year on the military when we have veterans sleeping out on the street. kids can't afford to go to college. 28 million people have no health insurance. when there are signature -- senior citizens trying to make it on $12,000 a year social security. we need a vision that talks about an america which works for old people. which involves people. i do not want to see this country continuing as we did in 2014. the elections, almost two thirds of the american people do not own. they've given up. they do not believe their voices matter. what i have heard in politics is everything is related to

everything is related to everything. you can't finalize these things. we have to revitalize american democracy. get people active standing up for themselves and their kids. prepare to take on very powerful, big-money interests. we need a progressive agenda which will in fact speak to the needs of the working people of this country. mr. carter: another thing i want to add, a lot of people think it is a choice between security and human rights. but the best way to have our country secure is to honor human rights. they are tied together. i think that is one of the biggest messages we should put forward. [applause] mr. carter: if the united states stands for human rights, freedom, and equality, that is the best way to avoid a lack of security. it makes our country stronger at home and stronger on a global basis.

we should remember that human rights and security are tied together. if our people want to live securely, let them honor human right. that choice ought not to be divided thing in politics which it often is. the conservative republican candidate say, when you go to things for peace and human rights you are abandoning human -- american security. it is not the same thing. moderator: we were talking last week about we have to do a better job of explained to the public that these things go together. sen. sanders: i was thinking when we talked about freedom justfear that it is not being black in this country and walking the streets and being afraid of being picked up or shot by a police officer. but also, increasingly, and this is just a whole discussion bubble beyond everything we are doing today, is the kind of surveillance that exist through

information technology. the fact there are resources and nobody knows exactly what is going on but we have reason to believe that the government can easily track anything that you read on the internet. any email that you send can get into your phone calls. corporate america knows more about your purchasing habits then you know. we see that. i think in the year 2017 there is no question to my mind that we are moving toward a surveillance type of society. we need public policy to confront that exploding technology. [applause] moderator: that is right. now. going to wind up senator sanders agreed to take some questions by president carter needs to leave at 7:00. is anything with left unsaid?

thank you president carter for you with us. president carter: i cannot tie a tie. my wrist is healing up quite well. i told you i would ask that to you today. thank you very much again. good to see you will stop god bless you. -- good to see you. god bless you. [cheers and applause] moderator: now, we have some microphones that are set up for you to -- if you want to pull the microphones out to the front here so people can come and ask questions. if you want to ask a question of sen. sanders: come right up to the microphones. we are grateful to you.

>> i am doug from the international center for nonprofit law. sen. sanders: you talk about people who work so many hours a week, they have endemic poverty. about peoplehock who work so many hours a week. humanuld they invest in rights? senator sanders: at the end of the day and in fact -- at the end of the day, if all that we a military and engage

in wars all over the world from simply -- forget the morality and humanity of it -- from eight dollars and sense perspective that is a very, very expensive proposition which takes his right back to donald trump's budget of $89 more for the military and cuts in programs that worker made depend upon. that worker may need food stamps, it will be cut. that worker when they get old will be on social security. $88 just cut medicaid by billion over a 10-year time. it gets back to that argument of whether we can afford to spend a huge amount of money. .etting involved in war or adequately taking care of families in this country.

my name is colette. i am with the u.s. human rights network. thank you for being here. i come to the human rights work from the aftermath of hurricane katrina and the bp oil drilling disaster. one frame i hear mentioned subtly but not as in front as i would hope is the issue of climate change. i wonder how you see the fight for human rights and the climate reality connected. sen. sanders: if you're talking about the survival of the planet and the lives of billions of people, guess we're talking about human rights. the fact talking about that the people most immediately impacted in this country and around the world would be lower income people, you are talking about human rights. furious at this fossil fuel industry today that is doing

exactly what the tobacco industry did 50 or 60 years ago and that is that ar lying. you may have recalled reading 60 years ago that tobacco industry was telling you how good it was just meant for your help. what the fossil fuel industry is due nine today is the reality communitycientific has almost unanimously come to. climate change is real. it is caused by human activity. it is already doing devastating harm and the people most impacted will be people who are poor in this country and poor people around the world. i took of all that, if we look at a world of more flooding and more drought and rising sea levels and mass migrations of people to find a place where they can grow their crops or live in a peaceful way, when you're going to see is with that , more tension developing within the global

community and the potential of more wars. think of all the embarrassed segments of the tribe administration, the fact that they are rejecting what the scientific community almost unanimously agrees to is really quite pathetic. the good news is what you're seeing in state after state and around the world is quite rapid movement to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. the rise of solar is plummeting. our job, and we just worked with senator jeff merkley on legislation. massive leaps in energy and sustainable energy efficiency. that is what we have to work on. [applause] >> good evening senator sanders. was one oft say i your many, many supporters

internationally when you are running for the election. my question to you and i want to challenge you a little bit. i think many of us, your supporters, both in the u.s. and outside were quite surprised when you signed on to a letter about israel with the secretary-general of the united nations. my question is, why? i saw your interview where he made the comparison about saudi arabia, which i completely understand. but i guess the comparison would be, with the same senators have signed onto a letter if it had been about the apartheid government of south africa? sen. sanders: d reason i signed on with this letter along with every other member of the united states senate was simple. the letter to my mind was not to defend israel, that is what the media kind of picked up on. it was not to suggest some that israel does not have serious human rights violations. and to suggest that if human rights commission or committee of the u.n. is going to be

honest, maybe you have to take a look about him just. tens of thousands of people in jail, many being tortured. saudi arabia, knock which your saudi arabia women can drive a car yet. or russia or other countries. a denial of human rights, it was to say, why just israel? let's take a look at human rights violations all over the world. include israel, but not just israel. rodney, ii call on would like to say the human rights council, we're very much involved in the reform of the human rights council and i would say that the human rights council is actually much better now. i think there has been a problem in the past with sort of pull focus on israel but that has really changed in the last few years. i think i would apply that question in the sense not to criticize you, but to maybe open

a discussion about this. there are great resolutions on egypt. the council is quite good on many of these countries where there are problems. the council itself is getting stronger and we should acknowledge that. rodney? thanks ravi. i may -- imho analyst. i would like to address something that has affected everyone. the budget for the state department will be cut drastically and most human rights organizations in countries like ours benefit on that funding. , i think about women who are being raped everyday. victimized.being they cannot speak out because there is no awareness. senator what you is a in the u.s. senate can do to advocate for increased funding.

look, understand, as most of you know, the way the budgetary process works in the united states is the president makes a proposal. i think it is fair to say that his proposal, not just in the area of the state department but in general is going to be done on arrival. applause] sen. sanders: and i think you will people in the military saying, you know what? from a military perspective, you have got to continue for nader because we do not want to write terrorism and every country in the world. -- fight terrorism and every country in the world. we want people around the united states -- around the world to know the united states knows they do have problems with hunger and with women's rights. that will absolutely not be the final budget. it will undergo massive changes and i will do my best to make sure the state department and foreign aid are very adequately

funded. >> thank you very much. i am from pakistan. muslim, and brown. no muslim ban could stop me from coming here. i am so glad that you raised an issue of surveillance. it is not happening only in america but in countries like america are setting bad presidents for countries like -- setting bad presidents for countries like pakistan. i also want to raise the issue of not only the muslim ban but also the laptop and and indiscernible] -- sen. sanders: the what? >> laptop man. cannot carry their laptop in

handheld luggage. also cannot have passports regarding the social media accounts and immigration. all of this ring set by america is setting a bad presidents for countries like -- a bad precedent for countries like ours. --is not a good presiden precedent to set. is. sanders: this president giving ammunition to al qaeda and isis. it is beyond my comprehension. why do you want to show the world that you are at war with muslims? that you hate muslims? incomprehensible to me so we're going to do our best to oppose those policies. as you mentioned earlier, thank god we had some good court decisions coming down that says we cannot discriminate against

people coming into this country based on their religion. maybe just two more questions. >> my name is andrew anderson. i work for frontline defenders. i want to ask you about sudan. president last things obama did was ease sanctions on sudan, which were coming up for review on the end of may. sudan continues to raise war on its own people and continues to jail human rights defenders including the frontline , who ins award winner the last couple of days had his order for his release rescinded and he remains in prison after five months without charge. i am hoping that you can use your position in the senate to continue to question the human rights record of sudan in the

context of the review of the sanctions situation there. sen. sanders: thank you very much for the work you doing and that is certainly something we will pursue. thank you. last question. >> hello sen. sanders: is a to be here. i work on the human rights house project for the congo. i should say the human rights struggle in the congo. not been projects. to recognizelike -- and it is a pleasure to get to ask you this because you are in such a position of power. as an ally on the hill, i think iscan all recognize that democracy in the u.s. is threatened, we sort of see it go around the world. this is something we have been talking about all throughout this form. particularly in the u.s., as democracy is compromised and deteriorates, you see that women

of girls and especially women in girls of color feel it most strikingly. economic rights. every facet of life, women and girls of color are really suffering as democracy deteriorates. i would like to ask you how, in your addition of power in the senate -- sanders: if i were as powerful as you think i was, this country would not be in the straits it is. it this way. i read everything you post on facebook. all of my friends do. when you say something, people think about it. prioritize.lly sen. sanders: thank you. that makes me very happy. >> i would like to appeal to you and ask how we can write your ties rights for women and girls of color in that u.s.

applause] sen. sanders: what is going on now is so important. important that we not allow ourselves to accept this as normal. all right? right now, as you know, in the passed onl that was thursday in the house, they want to defund planned parenthood. of 2.5with the choice million women. donald trump just announced he is going to be thinking about aid to historically black colleges and universities. did you know that? we do not know what the repercussions are but he thinks that kind of funding maybe unconstitutional. we have jeff sessions as our attorney general, who thinks that maybe we have not been aggressive enough on the war on drugs, which has been devastating to minority communities all over this country. so, you are quite right. not to mention that the -- there

is a war against women's rights for the control of their own bodies. there will be cutbacks if trump has his way. we will do everything we can to stop him. many of you are part of organizations that are doing your best to protect girls of color around the world so they get good educations, right? so they can go out and find jobs that are nondiscriminatory. they want to cut back on those things. of we are at war on all those issues. we need to rally the american people. i will certainly do everything i can to fight for those in ominously important issues. i will tell you, we can go on and on and on, but all of you know something about american history. you know about the struggle. i was just talking to president carter. in his youth, what the south was about in this country.

segregated society. so manystruggled for years and so many people have went to jail. some have died to try to end racism. to end sexism. right? think about the struggle of the women hundred years ago when it did not have the right to vote. i remember was a big, big deal when i was mayor of burlington that we appointed the first women police chief officer. what a big deal. we have made progress and now you have a president who wants to resend an overturned so much of what was done in this country and around the world and we've got to stand united and say, sorry mr. president. you are not going to get away with that. [applause] senator sanders: so, with that, thank you you all. ] heers and applause

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