>> on newsmakers this weekend, our guest is thornberry. he talks about the committee's efforts to build u.s. strategy towards russia and the defense secretary's new authority to set troop levels in afghanistan. watch of the interview today on c-span. tonight, on afterwards, financial expert rachel schneider and economics professor jonathan detail how low to moderate income families manage money in their book "the financial diaries: how american families cope in a world of uncertainty." they are interviewed by catherine. risk of small decisions going badly is so much higher

for people at the bottom. make poorople spending decisions all of the time. but for me, the consequence of that is diminished. for peoplesequence who are struggling is often really big. >> one of the pieces of data that really surprised me from that betweens time, 10, during that million americans were poorer during every month of that time. but 90 million americans were poor at some moment in that time. it means we really have to rethink what is going on. atwatch afterwards, tonight

9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span twos book tv. is the vices now president of policy at the competitive enterprise institute and he is here to discuss their annual survey of the size, scope, and cost of federal regulations. viewers what is the competitive enterprise institute? guest: we are an advocacy group. we tend not to do tax and budget issues, we focus on the regulatory enterprise. that's kind of our area of focus. host: how are you funded?

guest: like every policy group there is. sense if free market ideas are to be supported corporations and foundations should some poor free enterprise. that's how we support our ideas. i got started in this issue, i was interested in public policy issues and limited government when i was an cup -- college. interested in a certain area of focus on that is where you go. you tend to work with groups to share your ideas. work --gh put out the report 10,000 commandments about federal rules and regulations. it says that regulations don't because theyntion

are unbudgeted and difficult to quantify. relate to the viewers how do the regulations affect everyday people? we have an opportunity to force a bipartisan reform and regulation. there is a bill that has the regulations affect us in all ways. doddf the top issues, frank rules, a segment coming up talking about health care come in all these walks of life regulation affects us. and safety, economic interventions, all of these sorts of things. while it is -- unlike taxes where you can look up and see t

we are talking about regulations and how they are quantified. republicans how long have you been doing this report and what are you trying to let people know about the regulations. the idea of this is to look at the numbers of rules that the agencies are putting out. -- they put out

211 laws last year. agenciesal regulatory look out over 3000. are getting over 3000 rules and regulations and sensei accumulate there is some interest in rolling that back. with the federal registers, last year it was over 95,000 pages. that's a lot of rules and regulations. some may be doing good, some may be in the middle and some may be in need of reform. 27th -- 2017ar the report is unique and it will serve as a benchmark to measure president trump's effort to cuts against those of his predecessors. will donald trump keep his promise to slam on the brakes? talk about the pledge by the

president. guest: every president at the ends their term there might be a number of flip up in the number of regulations. when donald trump was campaigning he said when i come in i will put a freeze on regulations, and he did that. other presidents did that, too. he also said for every new regulation, agencies are going to have to eliminate to -- to the be wetwo. aere really has been substantial freeze on the amount of regulations that are coming out their agencies. it is unique. when reagan first set up the initial review process, and it has been something supported on a bipartisan basis every sense, pages in the federal registrations, the number of rules drop by one thing -- one

third. i haven't seen one quite so extensive. a lot of it can be attributable to that executive order that out andr one in and two also no new costs. we will see what happens. that makes it a benchmark to meet the pledge or not. or did regulations continue. we are talking about the new report on regulations. marshall on the republican line. you for this program. i enjoy it. i am concerned about all the regulations, of course.

to change regulations that is prettyciety stupid. i think donald trump is an extremist, i think he is for the rich and very concerned about himself. he has always been that way. you don't go bankrupt and use 90 million dollars without cheating people. and he he is dishonest lies every day when he gets on tv. just beforetories something else is coming out like health care. then he comes out with his russian sympathies. i want to keep regulations and yes i would like to do away with some of the net picking stuff. i have some land that was and the guy did all

the things he was supposed to do and when a inspector left and 3000er one came in, that's more dollars he had to spend. this is typical of what i call net picking stuff. marshall is right. you raise an interesting point. i said this is a very contentious issue and it is. we all want to protect health and safety that matters. -- half thethe sba day -- fda. something else in competing health and safety measures? we can split the pie up and look at government paperwork, we can look at government health and safety regulations, and fair -- environmental types, economic

regulations and come together and say some of this stuff is tough and if it is tough to deal congress should step in and legislate on that category rather than the agency who bats this around so much. we have to work on the existing regulatory body that is out there and, together with a bipartisan reduction. braddock,e from pennsylvania on the democratic line. caller: good morning. tell you a short story, when i grew up in the early 1960's we used to cap out at dashcam out at lake ontario. there was nothing but clean beaches and everything was fine. back wend year we went

couldn't wait to get to the beach. there were dead fish all along the shore with tractors scooping them up and piling them up in burying them. it was a plant upstream that was running whatever it was into the lake, it killed off all these fish. thank out that richard nixon had the foresight to go ahead and sign those epa clean water and clean air. if we did not have that god help us, where would be be now. isst: that's right, this what i mean. this is a contentious issue. regulations are barred partisan, when the the president clean air act was implemented and when the epa was formed. in free markets remember you don't get to just pollute the

environment. there is a mix of liability lawsuits and all kinds of sanders at come into play to make sure that you cannot pollute. what you want to avoid is over regulating and make sure we address the right kinds of things. host: it estimates in the report the cost of compliance to be 1.9 trillion alan mulally. how do you come up with that? guest: at the turn-of-the-century the federal government the omb reports were .egging it at 1.2 trillion it is an amalgam of government studies looking at the best ones that they have available in terms of paperwork costs and called the cost of compliance and interventions. in rick -- in reality there are reports out there from other institutions that say the impacts could be up to 4 trillion. study puts it at 2.2 trillion.

i think looking at the federal government data that is out there and some of the other private material of their gives us a reasonable benchmark that we can say it could be more than this, but this is a defensible number. these reports are interesting just heard about the nitpicking regulations and the regulations we need. a good example about -- that captures it, as an entity, that national automobile dealers have done a survey looking at all the regulations that affect them on the shop floor and the sales floor, ftc, that frank, has not been a whole lot of that go when the companies through, they find there are a lot of areas where there are impacts. it is that kind of thing -- this

year when trump solicited comments on what regulations are affecting -- impacting jobs, a lot of the comments came in around this nitpicky regulation. there's something called the regulatory accountability act. it is been a bipartisan vehicle that may be a way of doing something about the issue. getting back to president trump and is about to cut regulation. the president promised a less active government and data shows ceasedng come almost issuing rules. he goes on to say, just 15 regulations were approved by the office of information of regulatory affairs from inauguration day until the end of may. do we know how many according to his pledge to get rid of two for everyone that is implemented -- do we know the number of regulations that have been cut

amid the slow pace of new regulation yet go -- regulation? caller: not yet -- guest: not yet. task forces are being set up related to the ongoing executive branch reorganization program. somebody was joking and said how many regulations do they have to issue to get rid of everything? [laughter] guest: that is not going to work but things have slowed down. what it is causing is for each of the agencies to take a much harder look at what they do. the necessary stuff is going to have to go through. the regulatory enterprise is congress' spots ability so where we have rules that are hung up, this is been held up for five years. congress needs to go and step in and implement the rules. host: we are talking to clyde accumulationbout

in the trump administration. on our republican line from los angeles is freddie. caller: thanks for having me. comment thatde a the reason why world war ii came out of the great depression was franklin delano roosevelt stopped waging war against american businessman to wage wars against the germans and japanese. my point is, i think the comment is true. this country has bigotry and hatred toward businessman. they don't think businessmen have constitutional rights or praise. we have a very antibusiness man attitude. well, it is against the businessman could we have a

right to regulate how businessmen run their business. it is something moralistic than just purely economic terms are just because a person runs a business, he has a weight that she has a right to run it the way he sees fit. i like to thank c-span for the time. guest: thank you for that. it is compensated. complicated. it enables them to cut back -- to cut out their competitors. if prices go up, they can handle it. other companies go out of business so they are left in much better shape. other times, we are back to these nitpicky regulations that affect small businesses it i saw one businessman who had written into the financial times. he says when i must hire a new employee, i go to bed, sleep well and hope the feeling passes

by morning. it gets at the attitude that he is talking about. some people feel as if it is too difficult to start a business. the startup rates are down. you don't see young graduates going into construction or heavy industry or hospitality. the are creating new apps. they are moving into the areas where there are less regulations. if we think that is a problem, we ought to talk about it. there is a sentiment that it is difficult to start a business. a lot of paperwork. notion. a lot to that host: scott cullen from phoenix. good morning -- scott calling from phoenix. good morning. guest: thank you for bringing up these issues. authorities to have the broadcasting licenses are not talking about these things. on to say that -- just one

second -- it is been two years since i have been trying to find a way to read all of the laws as they are. it's like trying to read movie credits on an iphone. state arizona attempted murder on me, the senate -- nobody in the office has written back. i have been trying to get a lawyer for this for two years now. they have ruined my record, my future, my hopes of pursuing happiness. it is really bad. i thank you for taking my call. thanks for calling. i would not try to read all of the laws. it gets worse if you try to read the regulations. senator mike lee keeps a stack

of the laws of the congress passes. it goes a little up to the ceiling. host: what advice would you give people who feel they are being affected by these regulations echo -- regulations? guest: the good thing is the trump administration is taking comments on this. the commerce department this year had been taking input on what were the most impactful regulation. a few years ago, if congress issa -- if cognizant issa had done the same thing -- there are a couple of hearings taken place . right now, the agenda here in d.c. with the health care debate , with the gorsuch nomination and quick august research and now having the that split coming up again, it is a tight schedule in order to be able to do something.

i hope something brings it to the forefront and i hope all of the attention by the business community and job seekers is making a difference. host: you mentioned state regulations. responding toe what is happening here in washington. the repeal of the fcc ruled that requires internet service providers to get permission from consumers before selling information. broadbandrnia internet privacy act was introduced in the assembly and it is very similar to the obama administrations privacy rule that was scheduled to take effect across the united states until the republican-controlled congress eliminated it. how are you seeing states responding to what is going on here in washington? guest: the states can go either way. some states like california where there is an auto emission

bill, surprisingly enough, given that silicon valley is right there, you would think they would be opposed. some states are more friendly to it. they can handle it. a lot of times, you will find that states get fed up. the last time we had major legislationeform was when the governors of the very states came to washington and said these mandates are too onerous, the environmental mandates and we need to roll them back. the other thing is so much money comes from the states to washington. then it is turned back around to the states in grants and aid. those will come with a lot of strings attached. that is several hundred billion dollars. when the federal government is funding state initiatives, there are strings attached. it is very compensated. that is why the commission ideas

, the bipartisan proposals that are being circulated are a potential way out. it is that the agenda is so packed. host: we are talking with clyde wayne crews. he is also formally of the cato fta.tute, the senate and barbara is on our democratic line calling from massachusetts. thank you to c-span for this phenomenal guest. you just your produces are beyond beyond. i am a pta mom. i have a suggestion. it is going to sound utopian. let's bring the college kids into this game. create a national program across the country in all of the wherees and universities, the political science department and the economics departments get together and the kids review the rags -- the regs.

we can call it "students review the regs." we can have this gentleman and his organization put up a bunch of youtube videos, 10 minute segments. give us the overviews so that we can bring these students into understanding the federal government and state government. one more thing. when i was a parent of young kids i took some fantastic parent education courses. one of the things i learned was health and safety with young kids is a domain separate by itself. we need to get the great big egs monster -- r you have health and safety and environmental and break it down into the big pieces, and maybe we can assign them to the colleges that way. thanks. host: on that point, i want to

point out in the report, you lift the biggest rule-making entities, some of which barbara listed. the treasury department, the interior, chester tatian, commerce -- transportation, issued 42 percent of all -- issued 43% of all federal regulation. guest: i have five kids of my own. i need to start with them. she is a pta mom and this is a fascinating idea. so much of the action is on youtube. i know this from my own kids. crowdsourcing,in dealing with the regulatory enterprise fascinates me. host: you have a new idea. talk a little bit about these regulations. the folks who are doing it.

who are the folks who are making these decisions? guest: 100 years ago, we set up the new deal. after that we had the administrative procedure act and governance the way that it agencies issue their roles. there is the fcc, epa, on than the line. a lot of the agencies but as she was saying, they do it in different categories. i really do think that is our way to wedge in and talk about this and not argue past each other. through isthat comes supposed to have -- every rule that comes through is supposed to have public comment. one of the issues now is a lot of rules are not getting that first notice of proposed rulemaking. they are calling exemption and issuing a final rule. the other aspect of review for regulations is at the office of management and budget. the major rules that go through,

they take a look and try to see if they make sense. there are so many rules, it is difficult to do. those, we always talk about cost-benefit analysis, but guess what? there is only analyses for a couple of dozen of those 3000 rules. they are the biggest ones. agencies are doing a lot of things are not that important. the number of rules that have cost-benefit analysis is very small. that is one of the things we have to reform. that is how it works. congress passed the role, the agencies implement them and they're supposed to go out for public comment and what does go through should get reviewed and it is so so. host: david is talking -- is calling in from texas. caller: good lord, i work in the private industry. for over 40 years and i would

like to have a chance for an hour to talk to this gentleman. guest: email me. caller: there is a white paper case out which deals with environment and regulation. it was a part of the regulations , the clean water act in the 1980's which tracked through -- i think it was finally dealt with in 2005. all of the states that were finally trying to sue the federal government to get hundreds of millions of dollars back. the bush administration refused to let them sue. the point was the law, they put this additive and gasoline so it would help improve the quality of air. the problem was it was heavier than water and it started leaking into the water systems from one coast to the other. starting in the northeast, the report got out. for some reason states on the west that not pay attention.

when i was living in california the time, i'm listening to the stories in the east. they started implementing it in california could monica crowley and others started writing articles about it. they ended up having weekly protests in sacramento, thousands of people would show up. they were shutting water supplies down. from one coast to the other. host: we only have a few seconds a left just few seconds left. -- a few seconds left. guest: regulations have unattended cuts quinces. you may be causing some transfer of some of the costs. similarly where the fda, we were undertaking regulations. you cannot make health claims. --t do companies do not go what do companies do instead? you can have the average health quality go down. yet it take about those things

-- you have to think about those things. you want to do the right thing. it can have unintended consequences. host: clyde wayne c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies and is brought to you today i your cable or satellite provider. >> in his weekly address, the president talks about replacing the affordable care act. the senator from hawaii delivers the democratic response of posing the current bill heading to the senate floor next week. pres. trump: my fellow americans, millions of families across our nation are suffering under the disaster known as obamacare.